Now Dean is Concerned
- The head of Chicago’s Fraternal Order of Police is warning that a new state law requiring officers to record more information about the people they stop could drastically reduce the time they spend patrolling the streets.
Gov. Bruce Rauner on Wednesday signed a sweeping law enforcement reform bill that lays out guidelines for the use of body and dashboard cameras. The bill also requires officers to fill out cards that document information about the pedestrians and motorists they stop and provide them with receipts in some cases.
“This will burden the officers with more paperwork and keep them from being proactive,” FOP President Dean Angelo said Thursday. “They won’t be out there as much as they used to be.”
How about this scenario - you stop some dope boys, based on a tip, a phone call, a hunch, whatever. You frisk them all and, seeing as how you didn't really have a surveillance set up to see where the work was hidden, you issue a Dispersal Order and write Contact Cards. But let's not kid anyone - you know they're dirty, they know they're dirty, the neighborhood knows they're dirty, but they didn't have the work, so they get a pass. You also hand them a receipt with your name and star.
These guys aren't stupid. They know who the workers are who are willing to get out of the car and disrupt business for a while. They know they have to be smart and not keep too much work nearby, the lookouts have to be tight, the gun has to be at a bigger distance, all the perils of the dope trade. But they have an ace now - your name and star as a known officer who will make problems. So now comes the call to IPRA:
These guys aren't stupid. They know who the workers are who are willing to get out of the car and disrupt business for a while. They know they have to be smart and not keep too much work nearby, the lookouts have to be tight, the gun has to be at a bigger distance, all the perils of the dope trade. But they have an ace now - your name and star as a known officer who will make problems. So now comes the call to IPRA:
- "Officer Squarepants stopped me today and hassled me, frisked me, threatened me and by golly, I'm just an altar boy standing on the corner at 2 A.M. minding my business while taking night classes in nuclear medicine. He didn't even give me a receipt. Here's his name and star number."
You think the number of false complaints is high now? It's about to go higher. We'd bet money that names and starts will be circulated so more than a few complaints can be generated to make it seem like you're a rogue officer intent on violating civil rights by not issuing receipts for every person you stop.
The Department remedy is sure to be a hassle at least, a nightmare at worst. And you can guess what the coppers' remedy is when you have to drop paper monthly...or weekly...or more.
The Department remedy is sure to be a hassle at least, a nightmare at worst. And you can guess what the coppers' remedy is when you have to drop paper monthly...or weekly...or more.
Labels: department issues, FOP
posted by SCC at 1:01 AM
145 Comments:
I'm pretty sure that once I conclude my street stop investigation those individuals can no longer be detained...funny how nobody waits around voluntarily while I complete their receipt
SCC, thank you for putting that out the way you did. For all those "workers" and "hard chargers" who think these new laws are not a big deal, the people at this blog just put it into a way you may understand. Remember, nothing happens to the bad guy when he lies. They don't lose their job, they don't get charged, they don't get convicted. There are no consequences for them. Don't put yourself in a bad position. Even if it all works out, and their claims against you are either unfounded, not sustained, or exonerated, it won't be right away. You'll have the stress and headache from dealing with it all. You could be at call-back (or worse) for ages. And in this anti-police climate we're in right now, you'll get fired first, and have to sue to get your job back. It's not about being a dog, or the "20% of the watch do all the work" crap that someone posted the other day. It's about self-preservation and keeping your job, pension and freedom. Wake up, people. No street stops, no contact cards.
The fastest way to lose your job is by doing your job .
What's the point of having our names and stars on our shirts or vests?
If you're stopping these guys you're obviously close enough where they can see your nametag and star number. Wtf?
What if you stop 3 people and one of them pitches a gun and takes off then you pursue him and place him in custody then take him to the station for processing while leaving the other 2 behind? Sorry officers you're fired for not providing 2 fine citizens with their specialized receipt.
Does anyone else remember what happened back in the early 2000s when the dept said you MUST write the guardian/parent of a curfew violator an ANOV? Curfews went to ZERO. The order was recscinded a couple of months later.
Well fuggit, I ain't doin shit then. 19p all day. You want soft police, you got it.
How is this going to work?
Will you have to keep a running total by race of who you have talked to?
At the end of the month will you have to grab every white person you see to get your numbers to come out right?
If you catch someone red handed can their attorney get them off because you were over the limit and have to throw him back?
The Everlasting Clusterfuck.
Rated R
My remedy...don't be proactive.
"ZZZ..."
Wake the fuck up DEAN!
"ZZZZZZ!"
>Hard elbow shot in the ribs
like Missus Ol' Lady used to
give Mistuh Ol' Man when he
started snoring during Mass<
"ZZZ!!!"
>WHUMP! - FART! - Wildly Flailing Almost Falls Into Aisle<
Dean was caught head back, mouth open,
eyes rolled back to "Only God Knows Where"
and that little dangle-thingy in the back of
his throat oscillating like a speed bag...
Straight up lights out.
>Sheepishly looks around as nearby parishioners look
upside your head real evil and uncharitable like<
Welcome back Doctuh Dean.
You missed a LOT while you
were away...
You've managed to say a whole lot of nothing as Rahm
and G A R R Y slid a bunch of REALLY detrimental
operational and policy changes past you.
The lazy watch-dog that jumps up and bites
his master upon his discovering the joint has been burgled to
the bare walls while he was gone.
The only things of value left are the nails in the fucking floor.
Surveillance shows you getting a handful of Snausages
and a belly-rub from the offenders, Rahm al-Ghoul and
Garry McOutOfIdeas.
And when the stink of collusion is thick on you,
you hide from the membership or you issue forth
some awful but nonetheless very painstakingly minced
word salad with donkey-dung vinaigrette that is intentionally
delivered too late to be of any real-time use to the membership.
Really guy...
We didn't even get this much "Huh?" and shoulder shrugging
from the "IGNANT" m/fers we just gave up on trying to Police.
Whatever...
You do you, Dean.
It's all about making sure Rahm takes care of you and
your kid. Or at least that is the quote often credited to you.
Right?
You're proving to be yet another of the series of self serving, disloyal, hypocritical asses
who spouts geysers of shit about the sanctity of the "Police Family" and other similar such,
who have skated by doing just enough to keep up the appearance of doing "something"
so the membership doesn't get fed up and kick the stall door in and snatch you off the pot
for your "lack of production."
It's ok...
We ALL know who/what you're aligned with.
Is the betrayal worth it?
A little slow on the uptake there Dean. You were probably too busy mowing Rahm's lawn and scratching his back to notice this coming down the pike.
The current FOP "leadership" is embarrassingly poor.
He sounds like my (not so) favorite Republican Legislators.
We tried really, really hard, but we failed miserably and President Obama's Obamacare was funded, the Illegals are still pouring oer the border, and rather than a simple majority, we need 2/3 of the house and senate to stop Iran from getting nukes. Oh, and we actually spent more than the Democrats too!!!
This is called Failure Theatre. They appear to be doing something, but somehow manage to fail to accomplish anything. Is Dean related to John "Drunken Boner" Boehner or Mitch "I'm Obama's 8itch" McConnell? Because he sure has this failure act down pat.
You notice how the NRA and ISRA never, ever get caught unaware like this?
Competence. The FOP should try it sometime.
Seeing that Saudi Arabia is one of our allies, the politician's should follow their lead un how they handle criminals. Deal dope, they cut your heed off. You steal , there goes the arm, your rape, there goes your head, you kill, there goes your head again, and if a family member wants to do a terror act, the cut the heads of all the mutts blood line.
Those Arabs do the darest things out there. Now LE cannot even talk to mutts doing crimes. You poor souls otj today. Man, did I luck out retiring a few years ago.
Put the blinders on and stay out of jail for doing the right thing. Bless you all boys.
Yup that 55 and out looks sweet as pie. This is what you guys get for not sticking together.
No matter how bad things get, we will always have block heads who will go out there and be proactive. On my watch we have a bunch of them. One has been to call back twice, for excessive force. He currently leads the watch on trr's and he loves telling other officers that fact too.
I am what you might call a "company man". I believe in working hard for my paycheck. I always have. I have been fighting with these mutts for decades, and I believe we fight the good fight.
I cannot and will not give my name and star to the scum that I have to deal with every day. I will not give them any more ammunition to fight me. The day they hand me the forms with the little perforated section I have to give to some criminal is the last day I have made a stop. I know they can get it from my uniform, and I have given it whenever asked. But the rolling over and displaying my belly? I cannot do it. I will not do it. I am sorry, I really am.
not to mention they have your name, a phone & google with map option.
Bingo!
Officer Squarepants---you must have little kids! Hahahahaha!
Since it's insane to be proactive these days Dean, it is time to reassign half of the patrol division to IAD, to handle the complaints on the other half. Every two years, have the halves switch positions. Collect the check, find something you enjoy off duty, because the fun went out of the job years ago.
the sad part of ALL this stuff going on is that we will live in a much higher crime society as a result. more violent crimes, more victims more ghetto. We , our family members etc will all feel it in the future.
Who woke Deano up?
Common SCC......this new policy was put into effect just to make the powers that be look like they are doing something to control all these rogue officers.
False complaints to IPRA? Sure. They will sky rocket. And probably after a pre-determined time ( let say 6 months to a year) the likes of Fran Spielman will produce a piece that will expose the corruption in the CPD. Coppers not following orders by handing out receipts.
OH THE HORROR!
Detentions based on 911 calls, take a read. Not even worth stopping them.
http://le.alcoda.org/publications/point_of_view/files/DETENTIONS911.pdf
HUGE SAFETY CONCERN OF OFFICERS AND THEIR FAMILIES:
In this Internet and Google Age and Pay-for-Personal-Info Sites available, it's COMPLETELY IDIOTIC in these times to give people our LAST NAMES on a "receipt" after a street stop, or as I have been saying for years, OUR FIRST AND LAST NAMES (AND OUR DAMN MIDDLE INITIAL) on Inventory Property Receipts. Look for yourself, this is REAL SHIT. This is going to get Officers' Personal Vehicles, Houses torched and will have our member's wives raped, kids kidnapped, or us murdered. If you don't think this is very possible, you are quite naive. There is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON whatsoever that we should have any document handed to a rotten gang-banger, thug criminal or ANYONE we arrest or stop….. our F--KING name. CPD needs to wake the F--CK up, and the FOP is silent and useless with this HUGE OFFICER SAFETY RISK. The only thing that we should be required give is our STAR #---- NOT OUR NAME---on E-Track Documents, receipts, or anything else. OUR STAR #, PERIOD!!!!! In fact, we need to get rid of our stupid, ancient name tags. All we should have is STAR # printed on our uniforms, even if it took the place of our name tag in addition to what's on our Badge. In 30 seconds of someone making bond (like 2 fucking hours nowadays) they could search on a iPhone and know exactly where we live and be waiting at our homes with a gun BEFORE we are even off of work, or throw a brick through our house window, or attack our spouse or kids. Wake up people! Wake up FOP!!! Wake up! This is reality of a thug or crazy pervert we lock up or have contact with on a street stop, can access our personal home addresses and phone numbers in seconds. IN SECONDS! If people are killed, injured, or raped because of this policy not being changed IMMEDIATELY, there is going to be a lot of blood on someones hands. Ohhhhhh but Research and Development is too friggin' busy with their fucking policies with uniforms, tattoos, and creating extra bullshit paperwork while sitting at 35th street desks safely avoiding paper cuts, not giving a Fuck about officers safety with NAMES printed on thousands of Inventory slips for prisoner property, and now this asinine Street Contact receipt initiative. Name Tags needs to be a thing of the past, we live in a Cyberspace age, and we need to modernize it before someone gets killed. FOP!!! Hello! Crickets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Forget IPRA. How about the dope boys now have your last name. Now if your last name is known to them, there are all sorts of ways to figure out where you live, who your family is. There is a website called Checkmate. For a small fee they will give you a persons complete back round (criminal history, vehicle information, marriage status, relatives). Will not be long that dope boys inc. will start looking working coppers information up.
False complaints?? No way the sworn affadavit took care of false complaints a long time ago!!😂
Its just a job. So follow the guidelines.
People forget the FEDS have access to are systems. The public believes that it is just the police collecting info.
The media is so proud of themselves when they make those terrible police officer work harder. clearance rates are a joke but Garry only quotes weird numbers and matches them up with different periods of time to fool all of the softball aldermen.
So great job dead tree media you just created a great data collection system to be abused carrying alot of cash contact card/ walking around certain building too much/ filming weird locations.
As long as coppers fail to vote and get involved we will never be a political force. They want us to do less work so be it.
What a total cluster....
As General Nathan R. Jessup said in the movie, "all you did was weaken a country today." Sleep well Gov. Bruce. You just just weakend a city. Chicago will get the city it deserves....just wait and see. But hey, I'll show up - do what I'm supposed to - and go home safe. But in order to deal with these Thugs - you have to be proactive - and do (what Garry called) " put hands on people". No no more -sorry.
Can't stop ppl based on a hunch alone.
How about having the officer photo and print each individual they stop for the individual's safety.....Document everything??????????
SCC - perfectly stated.
Disability Dean Angelo is IMHO a complete disappointment & just taking up space over at FOP, grabbing every perk he can before he is ousted in the next election. Dean turned out to be the water boy for Rahm & his cronies.
why would you frisk ALL of them without any pc?? that's not the training at the academy. that's called 'asking for a lawsuit'. these dope boys ALWAYS do stuff that gives you pc if you watch them for a couple of minutes. search the ones that give you the pc, arrest them and bam, there's your paperwork ... AND probably a conviction when they plead out to tcs ...
Did anyone read the FOP news letter.
The employer keeps changing rules but union will not do anything except file grievance.
No notice of changes till its published, and employer says that was a mistake in 3 grievances in 4 months.
Wow, does the union need a tree to fall on them to see whats going on?
Or is this because the union cannot do anything? And the employer knows this.......
Now the rules of street stops are going to be rewritten for 3rd time in my career.
I guess BLM, but the Offices lives are disposible or is it they are the only ones that can be judged?
It will also lead to less supervision on the streets.
As each of these nuisance complaints (filed to curtail proactive policing) is parceled out to a Sgt, a CR investigation needs to be completed. The packets on the "no affidavit" type are still 8-10 pages long. It is absurd that any type of "receipt" would be issued.
Is this the end of VRI?
GPS shalt be used to exonerate.
Your argument is absurd. First, we are already suppose to be doing contact cards. So there already should be a record of the stop. We have to do a better job of enunciating on the contact card the lawful reason for the stop. Second, if they wanted to do this (and I know some do)they have your name and star number from your uniform, your car number and beat number from you car. How are they getting any more info then they already have? Third, I am convinced they know all about us through social media anyway. The days of the unlisted number and no one knowing your phone number or where you live are long gone. How many cops Facebook and Instagram? Fourth, you are probably already being videoed on someones iPhone. Fifth, if you aren't doing anything wrong let them beef. back in the day in Englewood, when there was still a gang hierarchy, the word from on high to the gangbanger minions was make a beef on every police stop. Most of the bangers had an OPS investigators card in their pocket. Finally, do things the right way and you don't have anything to worry about. In today's day and age if you want to motherfuck people and not follow the law and the Constitution, you need to re-think being out there. You can do the job and not get beefs. And, the beefs you do get will be unfounded or not sustained. This is just another excuse for the dog asses to get out of work. As Tom Thibodeau said, do your job.
perhaps the dept is hoping that since the receipt requires your name/star----you will just arrest/anov/ticket everyone instead....so what if we end up with a bunch of lawsuits for "no probable cause"---- corp counsel will love a chance to meet many many Sgts and the Lts and Captains can continue to watch television, run personal errands- or their side businesses- during their less than 8 hr tour of duty.
What's the over/under on the number of people shot nationwide at the opening weekend of Straight out of Comption?
Won't be a hassle is you don't get out of the car. Let the assholes have the city.
Why anyone would stop "dope boys" just to have the charge thrown out in court because it didn't weigh enough is beyond me. Give them the police department they want. Report writers.
union members receive compensation for lobbying members of the general assembly.
Lodge 7 were your lobbyist members in on this one, too!
I'm starting to think should I go on full disability or bid for the desk job because if the union was silent on this one wait until the public starts to complain against us for stop and frisk paper receipt not given violations.
Sorry brother: the union can't file a grievance on your behalf because its a violation of state law, not the labor agreement.
Thanks Dean & Company
Just wait until they start stopping at your own residence,or following you around because they have your name and look up where you live. This will be a big problem!!!
Let's face it folks Dean is only concerned after he reads that members of this order scribe their complaints here. Deanie the tiny weanie is content being Rhams love glove. Can anyone tell us what exactly Deanie has done about this other than comment that giving receipts will take officers away from patrol time. That's the best argument he could deliver.......all that education and waiving of hands in the air and that's it ! DAMIT Can't we get someone to fight for us......at least throw a faint and jab once in a while instead of dropping like a bag of rocks to the canvass before the fight bell even rings. Take off your baking mittens and put on some fighting gloves dipped in tar and rolled in glass and fight for us.
Dual Hata
Is there an exemption for undercover narcotic officers? I can see the scum bag defense attorneys pulling that out at court.
LMFAO "fill out a card" what is this 1930?
As if there are not enough of Chicago's finest already calling every damn day " anyone got a body removal form they can bring me. anyone got a ticket book they can bring me, anyone got any crime scene tape, body removal form, curfew, anov...etc.etc.."
More cops on the beat my ass!! To do what, run as errand boys?
It's the 21st century with handheld computers and we still have "I got to drop off this tow case at the district. I have to go to the district to scratch out this report"
It's F&*(ked up man and it takes coppers off the street and a waste of manpower.
How can any of you guys be on the street and not have the forms, the crime scene tape, etc, to do your jobs without tying up other officers?
Not to mention I need a Spanish speaker here, a Polish, Chinese speaker there.
Then there's the deal where a cop sees a traffic accident but can't do that paper work as it's "not my job" or it's "not on our side" and has to call dispatch to send a paper car over to take the report.
All of it a time and manpower waste of resources and your leadership has the balls to cry manpower shortage!!
Enough with the paper forms that must be filled out and then organized, sorted and filed somewhere to be later looked back up somehow. It's a waste.
SAVE A TREE LMFAO.
We have no one in Springfield fighting for us. 2015 is the first year that no legislative bills were submitted by Fop. None, this has never happened. Fighting the bad legislation is what is needed. But, you have to show up in order to throw a punch.
I noticed Commander from 012 threw first pitch at Sox game. Why? With so many deserving youngsters who would love to throw out the first pitch it goes to this old man!
Uh, you're a little late Dean. How did you not know the bill was being presented for a vote. Wow! Does anyone else feel alone out there.
Criminals, contraband smugglers, and sociopaths would NEVER lie about not getting a street stop receipt !
Anybody watch FOX News this morning. They had some progressive leftwing radio host Leslie Mann. She categorized all police officers as murderous racist thugs. What a scumbag, she was spewing more bullshit to incite racial division. As a white police officer, I have done more for the black community and actually helped people than she ever will. What a piece of shit she is....scum!
The FOP membership voted for Dean and Deans union supported Madigan and Cullerton. Madigan and Cullerton are the Democratic cogs that got this legislation passed. Rauner is the guy that takes credit with "black lives matter" and the "ACLU" while living his picture perfect northshore/"have your teenage daughter raised at a boarding school" kind of life.
Dean, please just take the job of chancellor of Chicago city Colleges already. Your mission is complete.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't, but at least this clears up one thing: in Illinois, politicians from both parties are clueless assholes.
Here is an idea, why won't the chief of police, McCloud, set up a unit where you take each alderman on a patrol and show these idiots how the dealers work, starting with alderman Moreno first? He is the one that wants to document every stop and frisk, so give him the task for one night to do just that, document. You might want to suggest to him that he wears a diaper so that he doesn't piss himself during a routine stop.
Would of been nice if dean informed everyone of the pending bills in Springpatch. We could of went down and protested. Instead, the newsletters are full of fluff.
Just finished reading "Crooked City" which was written by a Chicago police officer. Very good!
HEY DEANO - Why didn't you take the time to go to Sprinfield & articulate these concerns to the Legislature?? That is one part of your job which you have ignored (amongst several other situations)!!
This city and state seems hell bent on 'go frisk a cop'. Bad, very bad. The bad boys win again.
This is fucked up
http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/pistol-whipped-alabama-mocked-twitter-facebook-article-1.2319836
Don't hesitate! We don't have many friends out there
The sad part is some coppers still Do Not get it.
Stops based on hunches and feelings................
I am what you might call a "company man". I believe in working hard for my paycheck. I always have. I have been fighting with these mutts for decades, and I believe we fight the good fight.
I cannot and will not give my name and star to the scum that I have to deal with every day. I will not give them any more ammunition to fight me. The day they hand me the forms with the little perforated section I have to give to some criminal is the last day I have made a stop. I know they can get it from my uniform, and I have given it whenever asked. But the rolling over and displaying my belly? I cannot do it. I will not do it. I am sorry, I really am.
...Very well said. So true!!!
Just give them the receipt and then redact the info with a marker. The Feds do it.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Forget IPRA. How about the dope boys now have your last name. Now if your last name is known to them, there are all sorts of ways to figure out where you live, who your family is. There is a website called xxxxxx. For a small fee they will give you a persons complete back round (criminal history, vehicle information, marriage status, relatives). Will not be long that dope boys inc. will start looking working coppers information up.
8/14/2015 xxxx AM
Nice advertisement for that company. Do you hit all the blogs to advertise for them? Moron.
Anonymous said...
why would you frisk ALL of them without any pc?? that's not the training at the academy. that's called 'asking for a lawsuit'. these dope boys ALWAYS do stuff that gives you pc if you watch them for a couple of minutes. search the ones that give you the pc, arrest them and bam, there's your paperwork ... AND probably a conviction when they plead out to tcs ...
8/14/2015 08:21:00 AM
The dope boys always do some stuff if you watch them for a few minutes that gives you pc? Son, what planet are you living on? You must be an academy instructor. The dope boys and gang bangers are too smart these days.
Anonymous said...
Your argument is absurd. First, we are already suppose to be doing contact cards. So there already should be a record of the stop. We have to do a better job of enunciating on the contact card the lawful reason for the stop. Second, if they wanted to do this (and I know some do)they have your name and star number from your uniform, your car number and beat number from you car. How are they getting any more info then they already have? Third, I am convinced they know all about us through social media anyway. The days of the unlisted number and no one knowing your phone number or where you live are long gone. How many cops Facebook and Instagram? Fourth, you are probably already being videoed on someones iPhone. Fifth, if you aren't doing anything wrong let them beef. back in the day in Englewood, when there was still a gang hierarchy, the word from on high to the gangbanger minions was make a beef on every police stop. Most of the bangers had an OPS investigators card in their pocket. Finally, do things the right way and you don't have anything to worry about. In today's day and age if you want to motherfuck people and not follow the law and the Constitution, you need to re-think being out there. You can do the job and not get beefs. And, the beefs you do get will be unfounded or not sustained. This is just another excuse for the dog asses to get out of work. As Tom Thibodeau said, do your job.
8/14/2015 08:58:00 AM
You must be a boss. Lecturing us about the finer details about the law, rules, procedures, etc. Listen boss, we don't need a lecture from you. We already know how this job really works.
No, this is not an excuse for dog asses to get out of work. More and more officers are waking up. Why would anyone want to stick their neck out these days? As soon as something goes wrong, the bosses become pussies and they hang the officer out to dry.
Myself and my colleagues know how to do our jobs. We know what to do and not what to do. The most prudent choice unless the odds change back in our favor is to: answer your calls, backup your fellow officers and don't mess with the working man/woman.
Fuck you Dean. You are voted out next election.
8/14/2015 07:10:00 AM
I honestly believe that in a few years we will be like Mexico. Where officers and their families are routinely kidnapped, tortured and murdered. The criminal element is more and more emboldened.
I'm pro passive policing until I leave this job and city
@ 8/14/2015 08:58:00 AM
Ok...
Which HQ or City Hall knee-walking, knob-slobbering
spit shiner is this?
You are an ignorant, divorced from reality, upright walking
Piece Of Shit for trying to minimize the very real danger
to Policemen and their families this "conferring of receipts"
Comp-Stat driven, nonsensical, no foundation in reality or
common sense, anti-Police/anti-Policing gambit at appeasement
poses.
By your tone and timbre, you're a high level gold star gump
who is heavily invested in this lunacy.
You're afraid street Coppers are going to crash Comp-Stat on
the fucking rocks and sink it.
Dont't you gold star ignoramuses get it?
Policing is being undone at both ends
and all you allegedly "best and brightest"
motherfuckers have to offer is a mouthful
of "Get Back To Work?"
Fuck you clowns...
You pose more of a danger to us than the local
death cultists running around spraying bullets,
shit, jizz and misery every-fucking-where.
You assholes in the upper echelon of this department are
actively at war with the people you call yourselves the "leaders" of?
In another place and time this stinkin' thinkin'
would be rewarded with a grenade rolled under
the shit-shack door right when ass meets seat.
If Policemen and their family members come to harm
because of this horribly conceived law?
We hope their surviving kin can get with counsel,
dynamite every legal and administrative firewall
clowns hope to hide behind and very slowly,
very publicly crucify the shit out of all of you from
Rahm al-Ghoul and McOutOfIdeas on down.
You exempts think you're incurring no peril because
your names and star#'s won't be anywhere associated
with this craziness.
Let you punks get the call-out to a Copper's house
behind this horrible law...
What will you say?
Good job?
You all are some terrible motherfuckers...
The fastest way to lose your job is by doing your job .
8/14/2015 01:50:00 AM
A very sad, but extremely true, statement.
DEAN is still alive. I thought he or a union rep were gonna come out to the district every month or at least every other month to hear from the members at roll calls and pass out information. At least thats what he said during his campaign. I guess he meant every election. Silly me, But i got a nice new pen and a calendar cover, Dean I need a new note book next election ok?
Should have voted for Catanzara, at least he goes to meetings and tells you whats going on with the cabal.
And We trust DeaNo????????????????
Don't think So
Vote No Confidence in DeaNo Schauf and Jr
We pay our Dues the get RICH!
Its sad how people are posting that they will not do their job and complain about the "scumbags". What kind of person wants to get paid over 65000, paid vacation, holidays, time due, pension and not want to work and brag that they will not work?
It is the law.
You can lobby or vote for politicians that agree with your agenda. The another option is to quit.
Be safe and do your job.
Call The Lodge, we are here to help you!
Don't forget get he screwed up the 15% time due MOU.
Dean "just let me wet my beak" Angelo
A lot of yelling at comp stat in a month or 2
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The fastest way to lose your job is by doing your job .
8/14/2015 01:50:00 AM
Grasshopper:You have learned well.
The Democrats (Communist) Politicians Always want to tie up the system with bullshit, while not focusing on fighting real crime, as reql crime is their friend. Term Limits Nationwide, NOW.
Honestly, after observing the Chicago Police Department in Action, I can honestly say that they are run by a bunch of arrogant, no talent, stupid stooge puppets, and we are in dire need of Trump as President, because this crap by these talking Heads just ain't cuttin the mustard at all, it's just pandering to the Minority Community for their votes, and the Minority Community causes the most crime. Therefore, the leadership of the City of Chicago and their puppet Leaders of the CPD actually ENCOURAGE crime. Therefore never feel guilty about not being pro- active in crime-fighting, as it is your own city's polifical and police department leaders who are really against you all, and making your job much more difficult and dangerous than it should be. Stay Safe and lay low. Hopefully the political climate changes soon. The Democrat/Communist Party is failing fast as people everywhere are finally realizing what a bunch of corrupt, lying, hypocritical, nation-destroying, abysmal failures they really are.
This truly has become the age of fuck the police. Besides these bust outs saying it and much worse, they want to take away police pensions, get you fired for talking too roughly to the gang bangers or not being gentile enough. Now they will put a dent in all pro active police work by weighing you down with paperwork for just about everything you do out there. GPS, cameras on everyone. Yes, the police are the real problem and they cannot ever be trusted to do the right thing or to tell the truth. If you really believe that then I say you are a socialist Leninist and Trotskyist . I just love it when I see these college professors carrying signs that black lives matter. What do they know and what do they care in their ivory towers?The only thing they know is that they read in books and other clueless professors wrote those books !!
When Madigan and friends run a fund raisers FOP give 500. The road builders. gas company, electric companies, electrical union, teamsters union all give 25K. That's how lobbying is done.
Remember to press hard on that report to ensure the mandated information you are providing is transposed on all copies. Legibility and spelling is just as important to conform with this exciting new endeavor of the CPD. I hope each and everyone is as enthusiastic as I am with bringing a brilliant approach to provide a unique and special touch to the thousands of unguided, disproportionate and under served urban citizen.
I look forward to the full implementation of this program and will personally acquire a box or two of this fascinating and delightful formset to ensure I have plenty on hand, keeping mindful not to get them wet knowing what it does to the carbonless copies.
I urge all of you to do your part in welcoming this new approach and apply the above good practices.
Reasonable Suspicion has overstayed its welcome in the Democrat City.
Stay safe, 1st & 16th.
I noticed Commander from 012 threw first pitch at Sox game. Why? With so many deserving youngsters who would love to throw out the first pitch it goes to this old man!
8/14/2015 09:46:00 AM
After he threw out the first pitch he stole second, the catchers glove and the tip jar at the Girl Scout cookie table.
I get the whole "don't do stops anymore." Really, I do. I am more than likely done.
However, what about those good bosses that put their neck out there and grant us days, when their bosses tell them not to? I like my LT, and if we don't get numbers for him, then the Commander will put a new LT in there who will make life miserable for us.
Even still, I'd rather have my job and pension than a few extra days off.
It's a lose-lose.
Leslie Mann, is retired CPD.
I don't know what to say, other than thank the Lord for my crappy penmanship!!
A tally sheet of the morons who voted for this nonsense should be posted. Those that voted Aye should be held accountable!
I would trust FOP for anything. The only good they do is give you a lawyer is you unfortunately need one.
Just got this crap newsletter of ours. Why is the first article by Dean on the front page about how proud he is that the City Council invited the leadership to talk about.....no not being denied time due....no not about piss poor staffing levels....it was about those fucking CELL PHONE CASES shaped as weapons!!!! Where the fuck are our Unions' priorities????
Anonymous Anonymous said...
HUGE SAFETY CONCERN OF OFFICERS AND THEIR FAMILIES:
In this Internet and Google Age and Pay-for-Personal-Info Sites available, it's COMPLETELY IDIOTIC in these times to give people our LAST NAMES on a "receipt" after a street stop, or as I have been saying for years, OUR FIRST AND LAST NAMES (AND OUR DAMN MIDDLE INITIAL) on Inventory Property Receipts. Look for yourself, this is REAL SHIT. This is going to get Officers' Personal Vehicles, Houses torched and will have our member's wives raped, kids kidnapped, or us murdered. If you don't think this is very possible, you are quite naive.
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Read the above posting over and over again in full. This copper said it all. Shit like the poster stated happened to CPD copper' long before the internet and search's could be done. The mutts used to have a homie copper run you plates while you were seen going home, or just followed you. My advice is, burn your rear view mirror when going home to make sure you do not have a tail on you.
Look at your junk mail, it even has your middle initial on it.
Headquarter is full of civilians that would sell a copper' info out for a pack of Newports. You people on the job are walking zombies with all the stress you people endure in the last 5 years.
McCarthy was aware this was going to be done my the governor, Quinn would of done it sooner.
Us retired guys really now know how good we had it while otj. You guys are screwed with an issue every day.!! What is next ? Leave your weapon (s) at work after your tour !!
It is quite clear that big time evil walks the earth now. Us old copper' wished we had an answer to guide the young otj. 19 Paul is a good answer to all your dealing with the rats, but you still have to ride the hood. Watch what the CPD hires when good people don't take the job. The new exception will be no felony convictions one year before being hired. God be with you all !!
To 1:53am on 14Aug
You sir are absolutely correct. There is absolutely no reason,none,nada,zip for any Officer to display his last name anywhere on his/her person or on any police related document which is available to the public except a criminal complaint. All they should use is their star number. If anyone wants to file a complaint or a letter of commendation praising the Officer, their star number is clearly visible on their outer garment. In todays day and age in which society has made the Police Officers of this nation the bad guy no matter what, having an Officers last name makes it too easy for the thugs or liberals that want to hurt an Officer. That means that those that want to hurt an Officer is in essence also hurting his family something my family didn't sign up for when I took the job. When I was working I never wore my name tag and encouraged my guys to do the same except at roll call. I encourage all of you, especially all you white shirts, to think about this and do the same. Remember Sgts and Lieutenants in the field, think about the misery people can do to your people when their name is public knowlege. Look the other way when you see your guys with no name tag. Lead, don't parrot the company line.
I noticed Commander from 012 threw first pitch at Sox game. Why? With so many deserving youngsters who would love to throw out the first pitch it goes to this old man!
8/14/2015 09:46:00 AM
Wow! You cant find anything else to complain about?
To 7:10 on 14Aug
I didn't see your post until after I made the above post. But you and I are on the same page and I have been pushing that page for a long time. You are also spot on.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I am what you might call a "company man". I believe in working hard for my paycheck. I always have. I have been fighting with these mutts for decades, and I believe we fight the good fight.
I cannot and will not give my name and star to the scum that I have to deal with every day. I will not give them any more ammunition to fight me. The day they hand me the forms with the little perforated section I have to give to some criminal is the last day I have made a stop. I know they can get it from my uniform, and I have given it whenever asked. But the rolling over and displaying my belly? I cannot do it. I will not do it. I am sorry, I really am.
I am 101% behind you brother, fuck all these moronic powers to be starting with our very own bosses all the way up the ladder to the white house. I ain't doing shit anymore till my retirement, god bless to all our brothers and sisters in blue that are still out there fighting the good fight. When this nation goes into chaos which is not to far away I personally am ready for it....and politicians hide because it will be open season on all off you who helped create this mess.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
He sounds like my (not so) favorite Republican Legislators.
We tried really, really hard, but we failed miserably and President Obama's Obamacare was funded, the Illegals are still pouring oer the border, and rather than a simple majority, we need 2/3 of the house and senate to stop Iran from getting nukes. Oh, and we actually spent more than the Democrats too!!!
This is called Failure Theatre. They appear to be doing something, but somehow manage to fail to accomplish anything. Is Dean related to John "Drunken Boner" Boehner or Mitch "I'm Obama's 8itch" McConnell? Because he sure has this failure act down pat.
8/14/2015 04:17:00 AM
You hit it right 100% on the head. We all know the politicians who are not on our side. They say so. Then the ones who pretend to be on our side and then they act stupid. They act like they tried their best.
We need to do something so Dean Angelo doesn't get taken care of after he serves his post as FOP President. What bylaws can we pass so once this asshole either retires or gets voted out of office he can't be taken care of?
How about this scenario - you stop some dope boys, based on a tip, a phone call, a hunch, whatever. You frisk them all
Well, you are specifically trained/told a 'hunch' won't cut it. Also, you have to be able to explain why you performed the pat down. Just knowing they are 'dirty' again won't cut it.
As much as we hate it, some bad guys are gonna get away with shit. We can't put ourselves at risk for that part 1. Get them the right way or let it go. Its hard to walk away, believe me.
As far as receipts, we have to give star and name anyway, so whats the damn point.
But fellas and ladies...lets admit we are partially to blame for this. The stops people do where there is absolutely no reasonable suspicion. Then MF'ing everyone, among other things. If we eliminate the BS we do the less BS they will try and burden us with, Got it??
Our last names should not be on a receipt or uniform.....
Just another reason to have blinders on. When I'm driving past a hand waiver in my cruiser I pretend to drop something on the floorboard and bend to retrieve it. Just enough time elapsed to miss the hand waiver. LOL Remember... No jail time for doing nothing!
Smile and wave, boys. Smile and wave. Got to dispatched calls and take paper. Show concern. Counsel victims and provide crime prevention advice. Don't ever, ever do proactive police work or you will get boned. That's what society is telling us. It doesn't pay to be a cop, a real cop, anymore. Let them suffer the consequences of their ill-fated decisions. Only when the pain becomes great enough, will the public demand action. Until then, it's not worth risking your pension and your family's future over. Obama says, "The police acted stupidly." What would cops know about police work? Everybody knows how to do a cop's job better than some flatfoot, right?
Here is an idea, why won't the chief of police, McCloud, set up a unit where you take each alderman on a patrol and show these idiots how the dealers work, starting with alderman Moreno first? He is the one that wants to document every stop and frisk, so give him the task for one night to do just that, document. You might want to suggest to him that he wears a diaper so that he doesn't piss himself during a routine stop.
Because most of the aldermen know what's going on as most of them are just as dirty as the criminals. They get money from the gangs and dealers. They don't give a shit. They don't want to stop crime.
Can't stop ppl based on a hunch alone.
8/14/2015 08:07:00 AM
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It's not a hunch , there's a reason there that's causing that hunch : based on your personal and professional experience. You just have to be able to articulate and put that hunch in to words.
A yearly tradition here -- in honor of the bloody Dog Days Of August (I give it five shot dead and forty shot and wounded between now and Monday morning) -- I present the shattering, mordant, and timeless 1959 Gwendolyn Brooks poem.
"The Pool Players.
Seven at the Golden Shovel.
We real cool. We
Left school. We
Lurk late. We
Strike straight. We
Sing sin. We
Thin gin. We
Jazz June. We
Die soon."
God bless all here. Stay extra safe this weekend.
"What's the over/under on the number of people shot nationwide at the opening weekend of 'Straight Out Of Compton?'"
8/14/2015 09:06:00 AM
Probably even ahead of whatever the number was on the opening of "New Jack City."
Remember that?
Whole busloads of idiots headed to the nearest theater, not sure of what they'd see but sure that they would like it, hanging out the windows spitting and throwing s__t and motherf__ing everyone along the way.
"He just an excitable boy."
WHOO!
video tape me = NO BREAKS ...., write everyone for everything
"This is fucked up
http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/pistol-whipped-alabama-mocked-twitter-facebook-article-1.2319836
"Don't hesitate! We don't have many friends out there"
8/14/2015 11:49:00 AM
"Fucked up" ain't the word...sit there and get beaten bloody unconscious with your own weapon while the thugs video away and laugh they ass off.
Ofc. Darren Wilson can't even hold a job in a shoe store for two weeks because of all the hyena "reporters" bangin on the door and tearing at his guts every day -- BUT AT LEAST HE'S ALIVE.
Park until you get a call code it or write a report then parks again. Repeat. Stay safe if you get hurt all anyone will do I take a picture and leave.
I noticed Commander from 012 threw first pitch at Sox game. Why? With so many deserving youngsters who would love to throw out the first pitch it goes to this old man!
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Must've won it in a card game.
To my brothers in Chicago please do all you can to remove your personal information from the net to keep yourself and your family safe. All it takes is your name and Google and people finder sites. Anyone can search your name for free and find your address, DOB, phone #, relatives etc. It’s all public information. (I do not know about Il. but here in Tx. officers can get their public records sealed.) Needless to say this is a serious officer safety issue. From my understanding there are primary data broker sites like LexisNexis and Intelius that collect information from public records. They are about 25 main aggregate collection sites that mine data from the above and other online sources such as social networks. Removing your information from some is easy as “opting out” from the website and others such as LexisNexis is a pain but can be done. LexisNexis needs a letter from a supervisor stating that you are a LEO and your job places you in “Treat of death or risk of serious bodily harm.” I typed up the letter and my Lt. had no problem signing it. You do not need a department letter head.
Some other sites require a letter or a fax with your personal information and the information you want removed from the site. I made a copy of my police ID and DL with my face and DL# blacked out. I also went with the “bodily harm” routine to be on the safe side. It takes time but its well worth it. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.
And We trust DeaNo????????????????
Don't think So
Vote No Confidence in DeaNo Schauf and Jr
We pay our Dues the get RICH!
And we will Go to jail for doing our jobs
But fellas and ladies...lets admit we are partially to blame for this. The stops people do where there is absolutely no reasonable suspicion. Then MF'ing everyone, among other things. If we eliminate the BS we do the less BS they will try and burden us with, Got it??
And who is at fault for the bullshit stops? Maybe if Garry quit asking for more "touches in the right place at the right time of the right people" at every fucking comstat meeting we wouldn't be in this position in the first place.
Now, when the Narcotics Division makes undercover controlled buys to build a federal case for criminal conspiracy, they still have to give the dope seller the card, but they get to use blue ink to throw them off.
I still follow the order stating officers will not sign complaints for victims.
I know you forgot. Don't worry my XO hold the copies at the desk waiting for my victims to show and they almost never do. Release without charging.
I am not hear to make anything convenient for the city or cost effective.
But i give everyone case reports with lovely narratives with tips and clues like there might be a camera around and i always call for an ET and get their SGT to tell me they refuse to do their job. Garry ideas are great.
If I give someone a receipt with my body camera filming it, and he beefs saying I didn't, will the department prosecute him for making a false complaint?
"When this nation goes into chaos which is not too far away I personally am ready for it....and politicians hide because it will be open season on all off you who helped create this mess."
8/14/2015 06:23:00 PM
This nation has been in chaos since 1964.
SICK OF THIS CRIMINAL CODDLING B.S., yea there are some below the belt coppers, but 99 1/2% ARE OK!
To 8/14/2015 01:29:00 PM. I do not work at HQ and I think CompStat is bullshit. I have been around a long time and seen this before. I think McCarthy is a clown. I am not a Democrat and believe in the Constitution and it's protections, for everyone, including you. But, I also remember why I became the police. This was brought on by officers not doing their job. If you are a racist, and police this way, you need to leave, you make it hard for all of us. When we went through the academy and our FTO we soon learned about the paperwork. If you don't like it you were given fair warning. We were told we were expected to keep our uniforms neat. including wearing the name tag. This hasn't changed in 25 years that I know of, and was the way things were long before I came on. If anyone doesn't like this, why are you still here? Why are you so made about things you can't change and haven't changed since O.W.Wilson was here in the 60's. Yes do you job, I assume that's what you are here for. And see, I didn't even call you names for disagreeing with you, because that is YOUR RIGHT.
Most intelligent coppers will handle this appropriately... See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. What time is lunch?
But fellas and ladies...lets admit we are partially to blame for this. The stops people do where there is absolutely no reasonable suspicion. Then MF'ing everyone, among other things. If we eliminate the BS we do the less BS they will try and burden us with, Got it??
8/14/2015 06:44:00 PM
You cannot be on the job. No way. Not with that opinion. While I will give you the 'we swear too much', it's a product of what and who we deal with.
What exactly do you think we do these stops for, the ones with "absolutely no reasonable suspicion"? What are you saying, that we are all racists, fascists or thugs that get our jollies by messing with the poor urban youth. You are so uninformed that you have to be a troll, purposely baiting people on this blog. Either that or you or dumb as a rock. In either case, please don't have kids.
Cop Pistol-Whipped By Suspect Says Reason Was He Hesitated Due To “What’s Going On In Media”
http://www.weaselzippers.us/231666-cop-pistol-whipped-by-suspect-says-reason-was-he-hesitated-due-to-whats-going-on-in-media/
why would you frisk ALL of them without any pc?? that's not the training at the academy. that's called 'asking for a lawsuit'. these dope boys ALWAYS do stuff that gives you pc if you watch them for a couple of minutes. search the ones that give you the pc, arrest them and bam, there's your paperwork ... AND probably a conviction when they plead out to tcs ...
A conviction? Always give PC? Have you ever worked a dope spot and then went to court on it? Stay at the academy and tell your war stories to the recruits and people who don't know any better. Holy Shit, what kind of chowderheads do we have on this job??!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
But fellas and ladies...lets admit we are partially to blame for this. The stops people do where there is absolutely no reasonable suspicion. Then MF'ing everyone, among other things. If we eliminate the BS we do the less BS they will try and burden us with, Got it??
8/14/2015 06:44:00 PM
And who is at fault for the bullshit stops? Maybe if Garry quit asking for more "touches in the right place at the right time of the right people" at every fucking comstat meeting we wouldn't be in this position in the first place.
8/15/2015 05:16:00 AM
I don't know where or by who you two handjobs learned to be the Police, but 99% of everyone that I stopped (key word, I don't stop anyone now) was a bad guy. Blaming "us" for corrupt politicians and their enabling laws is flat out ludicrous.
Very rarely did I stop someone that wasn't on the down low, but when I did, you could tell 10 seconds into the stop they were legit. I would apologize, maybe engage in some small talk, and send them on their way. The overwhelming majority of guys I worked with did (key word again) the same thing.
As for the second poster who pretty much stated he can't find enough bad guys to generate contact cards for Garry, maybe it's time to move to a desk-job. You shouldn't be doing anything for him anyways, unless you are one of legion who sandbag people for VRI credit.
I can't name one street policeman that gives two shits about what Garry says or wants at comstat.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I still follow the order stating officers will not sign complaints for victims.
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There is no such order.
S&W no longer Smith & Wesson
S&W now means Smile & Wave.
lol!
DBEL
Detaining officer: McCarthy, G. Star# 1.
Watch the Youtube video "Chicago Police Arrest Black Teenager For Rapping" White cops will always be labeled as racist if they take enforcement action against the black community
"“This will burden the officers with more paperwork and keep them from being proactive,” FOP President Dean Angelo said Thursday."
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What does "proactive" mean? I don't know that word.
Demand your right to face your accuser. And start making waves if the department doesn't charge people for filing false complaints Like I thought they were required to.
Oh OT also:
FYI heads up from a Bird at Finance...
All PEA's were informed last week that they are now required to drop paper on all encounters with any city employee that approaches them after or while a ticket is being issued.
You idiots need to stop going "Do you know who I am." And Like Friggin' NOW!
The Birdie also told me that their departments Security staff are reviewing body cameras for their PEA's And Booter staff. A complaint has just been filed apparently by a ticket writer against a district PO that tried to jam them up with a complaint. The PO was apparently not actually anywhere near where the ticket was written, and the PEA's GPA and video sustained an IG complaint.
You all have been warned.
Anonymous said...
Should have voted for Catanzara, at least he goes to meetings and tells you whats going on with the cabal.
8/14/2015 02:27:00 PM
$$$$$$$
Is that you John???
Yep vote for this goof. He lost his election for unit rep. The people who know him won't vote for him. But we should elect him to a FOP board position?
I noticed Commander from 012 threw first pitch at Sox game. Why? With so many deserving youngsters who would love to throw out the first pitch it goes to this old man!
Perhaps your trolling, but that "old man" was shot in the head last year while working.
Dean doesn't seem to be too concerned with manpower. When I worked in 018, 15 years ago, there were 450 officers, Now there ate 311, I understand Cabrini is gone but there are some big tax bills getting paid in 018. If I lived there I would be hopping made about Rahm stealing over 130 officers and sending them south and west and just letting manpower dwindle.
Anonymous said...
Demand your right to face your accuser. And start making waves if the department doesn't charge people for filing false complaints Like I thought they were required to.
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Right to face an accuser is for criminal proceedings. And as for "start making waves" well good luck with that. The next person charged with perjury for making a false complaint will be the first.
I sued a false accuser. It got tossed out in the appellate court. The court was not at all in favor of going after someone who lied against the police. And that was civil court, not criminal, where the burden of proof is mere preponderance of the evidence. So now there is case law at the appellate level in civil cases telling us to shove the affidavit law.
The Cook County States Attorney wasn't the least bit interested in bringing criminal charges against the person. And the accuser signed 8 false affidavits against 8 officers.
That vaunted affidavit law is a hand job for police. Maybe it is used in other jurisdictions but not here.
Right to face an accuser is for criminal proceedings. And as for "start making waves" well good luck with that. The next person charged with perjury for making a false complaint will be the first.
I sued a false accuser. It got tossed out in the appellate court. The court was not at all in favor of going after someone who lied against the police. And that was civil court, not criminal, where the burden of proof is mere preponderance of the evidence. So now there is case law at the appellate level in civil cases telling us to shove the affidavit law.
The Cook County States Attorney wasn't the least bit interested in bringing criminal charges against the person. And the accuser signed 8 false affidavits against 8 officers.
That vaunted affidavit law is a hand job for police. Maybe it is used in other jurisdictions but not here.
I called up a lawyer after a complaint against me came back exonerated. It was proven that she lied to investigators and I had done nothing wrong. He basically said that since I didn't get suspended and lose money and I wasn't harmed in any way besides having to wait it out and drop paper over it then nothing would happen in court. Affidavit doesn't mean shit. Btw, the accuser/liar/perjurer was a retired CPD sergeant working security at some shithole apartment building.
Charge people for making false complaints against the police and against citizens and crime will go down.
McCarty and the rest of these p$%%( bosses can produce bs numbers to appease the masses.
Yeah, it sucks, but this is what happened when psychos wearing uniforms start killing unarmed people because they don't like their race. You can't blame it all on liberals. There is a big problem nationwide and politicians have to respond. This is the result.
Yeah, it sucks, but this is what happened when psychos wearing uniforms start killing unarmed people because they don't like their race. You can't blame it all on liberals. There is a big problem nationwide and politicians have to respond. This is the result.
na·ive
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(of a person or action) showing a lack of experience, wisdom, or judgment.
"the rather naive young man had been totally misled"
(of a person) natural and unaffected; innocent.
"Andy had a sweet, naive look when he smiled"
synonyms: innocent, unsophisticated, artless, ingenuous, inexperienced, guileless, unworldly, trusting; More
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Anonymous said...
Charge people for making false complaints against the police and against citizens and crime will go down.
8/17/2015 04:05:00 PM
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Jack bunny. this is not gonna happen... hasn't happen since Tawanna Brawly
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