Award Negated
A judge made sense of the Law? What is this world coming to?
- Two weeks before the release of video in Laquan McDonald's shooting thrust the issue of Chicago police brutality into the national spotlight, Priscilla Price sat in a nearly empty Cook County courtroom as a jury found that a cop had killed her 19-year-old son without justification in 2011.
Price's sense of relief was short-lived, however. In a controversial move, the judge overseeing the case negated the jury's award of $3.5 million in damages and instead found in favor of the city. It turned out that the jury, in answering a written question as part of its verdict, had found that the officer had a reasonable belief that his life was in danger when he opened fire.
We'll see if it stands on appeal, but the logic is inescapable - you can't ruled "unjustified" if the officer was in fear for his life - he is by default, justified. And to find the City liable to the tune of $3.5 million over a justifiable shooting because you feel sorry for the plaintiff is improper.
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Since McDonald was a ward of the state, shouldn't Illinois get some of the money his mother was awarded? The state could use it!
Cue the outrage and cries of racism and police hatred from the usual suspects in 3...2...1.
Juries do it all the time, find for the Plaintiff because them feel sorry for him/her.
What????
She lost the Ghetto Lottery? In Cook County?
Shocking!! Just shocking!
People have to realize, not every case is a "winning ticket".
Next case.
The whole jury system is a joke
The Chicago Ghetto lottery does not pay out?
LOL
Usually we have a nomination for the rogue judges gallery. We need to remember this jurist and consider retainihg him. The fibune firewall prevents me from naming him
Kind of sad, all the grumbling by PO's. Just sit back and enjoy the circus CPD has become. Oh, and never tell anyone what you do for a living. They'll only laugh too.
And yet another reason to lay down. Deputy charged with manslaughter, a first-degree felony:
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/fl-bso-deputy-indictment-analysis-20151214-story.html
OT: For what it's worth, I've never understood this supposed CFD vs CPD thing.
Your too young or were not on the job when the FD went out on strike, ask an old timer to explain what the FF did at some of the Fire houses and at fire scenes.
Want another tidbit, find a really old Old timer and ask them about the CPD vs Wisconsin State Troopers, what CPD/CFD guys did when the Dairy Truck drivers went out on strike in Wisconsin
Just remember, a jury typically consists of 12 people too stupid to get out of jury duty.
Nice!
Wow a judge who applies the law, thats a novel concept in this corrupt city/state.
better buy a scratch-off ticket next time
In Baltimore the city fathers, or should I say sisters, awarded the family of Freddie Gray $6.4 million even before there was a criminal trial. Since this was an administrative decision there will be no negation on appeal.
oh lawdy, all the college money be gone
It's about time
Jury made a contradictory finding by ruling the P.O. had reasonable belief.
Juries are stooooopid. It's just one sign the system is crumbling.
Since Chicago is a sanctuary city, perhaps the next superintendent should be an Illegal alien?
LMAO! Where did this jury come from? Did they really think they were being logical?
Oops! Sorry. I forgot this is Obamas hometown.
Take care of each other now, this is the kind of alien logic you're dealing with. Still, can't help it. LMAO!
J.J.
How about enacting a law that says if you win a judgment from the State, you have to pay back all welfare benefits received?
I would love to have been there the moment that mother found out she was getting nothing...
Did the 13 merit Sargent receive remedial reading , written and rithmetic , is that why they were trained special .
What a joke , merit detective is the only rank cpd can justify . Officer continues to make arrests , testify in court , good conviction record , write good reports but has trouble scoring in top ten percent .
Merit sergeant , lieutenant should not be allowed .
Half the merit never swiped in or out , late for work , worked inside , poor grooming and uniform standards.
Not fair to any police officer , it was better if they used quota system and picked the next person needed in rank order . Reason they don't is it won't result in the right person getting the promotion .
It should no longer be called the Ghetto Lottery but the Ghetto ATM
Where can I click on "LIKE"
That judge will be presiding over Traffic cases soon because that denial off Lotto Ca$h was in sensitive to the grieving man-child mama. Rahm's compassion will prevail and a different merit judge, on the advice of chief judge T. Evans, to allow an appeal and/or a punitive award.
Second class police should start waking up and provide 2nd class service by just answering the radio call, doing a report, going home.
Off topic, can anyone give me some info/advice on schorsch village, yeah or nay to live there? It seems nice, but looks close to problems.
(OT) leo is reaching out for "friends and family" from cpd (huge pension) to harwood heights, now to #2 man in Illinois state police! jim O'Grady What a slap in the face to troopers everywhere does this mean ISP does not have qualified troopers in it's ranks? Or is this another "huge piece of the pension pie grab?":
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/norridge/news/ct-nhh-harwood-heights-chief-resigns-tl-1217-20151214-story.html
Jim has tons of clout, was his father former sheriff? wasnt he in charge at 1 timme of "blackwater site" Homan square?
Leo makes Ex-Commander O'Grady from CPD Narcotics/Harwood Heights police the new second in command of the State Police.
Hurray for Jimmy O'Grady - Now he get 3 pensions.
After he is out with the state he says he is going to the Cook County States Attorney's office to grab a 4th.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/norridge/news/ct-nhh-harwood-heights-chief-resigns-tl-1217-20151214-story.html
Any of these bottom feeders who get a cash award from anything - lotto, lawsuit, whatever, should not be getting an automatic payout before they have paid any and all debt to city, county, state and federal government. If they were on any subsidy like welfare, ssi, link, they should be paying back every cent that was given to them. Same goes for anyone of them who were locked up, had kids that were in juvenile detention or court-- all those agencies who processed, fed, clothed, housed, and rendered medical care to these leaches should be reimbursed before these scammers ever see one red cent. Imagine how many of the low lives would think twice about trying to scam money out of the system through nonsense lawsuits if they knew they would have to give 90-100% back!
Will the crybaby that keeps posting about the most recent LT Exam put your name to your posts.
It's apparent that you WERE close to making it from the OLD list. That list is now finished and over and buried.
The city follows 'past practices'. Once the new results are released, the previous list is invalid.
I feel for you, so close and not being promoted by score. It is a terrible feeling, I'm sure.
I'd like to know who you are, I'm curious why you post such lies and rumors on a blog anonymously.
You don't even know who is on the NEW list's first 25, The PBPA doesn't even have that lst yet.
Those specific questions should be routine in cop cases. Guards, a little, against the biased juries and jury nullification arguments from plaintiff lawyers
The Good Guys get to win once in a while. Who is this judge? I want to vote to retain him/her next election.
Just as he was turning his life around, he decided to kill a poleece! The fkn poleece did not give him that second chance!Oh,you evil poleece's..Well fuck you guys I, still have two more sons $$$$$
Mama
Watched part of aldercrook asking the head of IpRA question. Seem aldercrooks are angling on changing your collective barganing agreement. Hope your union will fight them at every turn. Hope your president doest fold or takee a in side deal. Good luck cpd hope for the best for you in blue. Not a cop just a citizen who appreciate what you all do and put up with.
The Feds are here now and will investigate and put an end to second guessing,and put a mark of shame on this city and its police dept,sad to say,retired guy!
rudy guiliani for mayor 2019
Looks like the Ghetto Lottery isn't paying out in Illinois either!
About friggin' time too.
15 shot in one day on a Monday in December. By the way... What are the police doing about it?
Just left court and you cansee how the whole tone has changed. The theme seems to be if you throw enough shit against a wall against a PO and if something sticks...kaboom.
Its going to get bumpy boys and girls...watch each others backs
...and in other News, it is reported that AlderSnake Cardenas (D-12thW), the pissant whose house was pelted with rocks, bottles and cans by a group of BLM's and leader of the Hispanic Caucus, is DEMANDING and advocating for a city GhettoLotto settlement ($10mil) for the Familia Lopez of an illegal sanctuarian borracho that ran over a PO and was dispatched swiftly to los Cielos.
Please respond to your assignments safely and let the ghetto be as it was intended.
Off topic, sorry. I was at the range in the basement last week and one of the range guys was calling one of the nicest guys on our watch a "one way mother fucker" because he was eating lunch and the officer wanted to qualify with handgun. When was it an inconvenience to qualify at a range? Jeez, ease up man.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT: For what it's worth, I've never understood this supposed CFD vs CPD thing.
Your too young or were not on the job when the FD went out on strike, ask an old timer to explain what the FF did at some of the Fire houses and at fire scenes.
Want another tidbit, find a really old Old timer and ask them about the CPD vs Wisconsin State Troopers, what CPD/CFD guys did when the Dairy Truck drivers went out on strike in Wisconsin
12/15/2015 06:36:00 AM
Odds are that I am older than you. Was a Police Cadet before I came on the job and I worked the 68 Democratic convention. Did you?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Just remember, a jury typically consists of 12 people too stupid to get out of jury duty.
12/15/2015 06:40:00 AM
This is so true on so many levels. I've never last longer than Voir dire. Usually the Def Atony uses a Pre-Emptory Challenge to get rid of me thanks to my Crim Justice degree and various municipal positions. But in all fairness...the SAO's in this county need a few refresher courses in how to present evidence and even talk.
Anti Crime, but Pro LEO....thats me...
Guy on a Bike.
"oh lawdy, all the college money be gone"
12/15/2015 07:26:00 AM
>pfft<
* * * COMMENT OF THE DAY * * *
http://twitchy.com/2015/12/15/judge-in-first-of-freddie-gray-trials-sends-back-deadlocked-jury/
Hung jury in one day, Baltimore Six.....
This could be YOU
"OT: For what it's worth, I've never understood this supposed CFD vs CPD thing.
Your too young or were not on the job when the FD went out on strike, ask an old timer to explain what the FF did at some of the Fire houses and at fire scenes.
Want another tidbit, find a really old Old timer and ask them about the CPD vs Wisconsin State Troopers"
Speaking as a really old timer, police v fire. Issue #1: The CFD went out on strike. Jayne Byrne hired strike breakers. The CPD was tasked with guarding the firehouses as they were being targeted by the strikers.
Issue #2 The police LOVED Byrne. She let us unionize. No longer could an idiot boss launch a southside PO to the northside because the boss didn't like them. "Just cause" in discipline meant something as did seniority. No longer did you have to pay to work a watch. (One PO I worked with paid the district secretary $100 a month to work afternoons so he could go to law school during the day.) OT became time and a half time rather than time for time. Eventually you had a pay option for OT. Time due was allowed to accumulate rather than lost at the end of the calendar year. Police families backed Byrne in re election en masse. Opposed to Byrne were fire families as she had hired strike breakers. The CFD felt they could legally strike and felt targeted by Byrne. They supported Daley. Harold Washington capitalized on the split.
The CPD v the Wisconsin State Trooper is an easy one. Although WI law enforcement could carry in IL, WI law prohibited IL law enforcement from carrying in WI. Wisconsin troopers looked for FOP decals and actively sought any IL POs in possession of a firearm in WI. If you carried on your person or in your vehicle Wisconsin troopers would lock you up for UUW and inventory your weapon. Even the Milwaukee PD hated the Wisconsin troopers and would not allow them to patrol the highways in Milwaukee proper. 9-11 changed all that as subsequent federal law overrode Wisconsin state law allowing concealed carry by LEOs.
Retired CPD and over 70
Rumor has it that McCarthy is still working from his office at HQ. Rumor has it still getting paid . Rumor has it still has driver and a car at his call. Rumor has it he is waiting for the mayor to remove him personally! Wow like him or hate him he is a hot load!
I have a feeling that much of the 500 million paid out over the years by the city falls into the same category. But, the police bashers and attorneys who have made a living off of these law suits hold up these judgements as proof that the cops were unjustified in use of force. Possibly in some, but somehow I don't believe that all of them are unjustified. Maybe you and I would not shoot under those circumstances but you and I were not there and I do not want to second guess a cop who was there and made that decision. And, if you use the research article of the Washington Post as any benchmark ( a liberal rag if there ever was one), 95 % of the police shootings in America are justified.
http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20151215/downtown/police-misconduct-laquan-mcdonald-case-get-aldermanic-scrutiny
50 Criminals telling Law Enforcers to lay off other criminals.
That judge is one of the few bright spots in the local court system.
Anonymous said...
Kind of sad, all the grumbling by PO's. Just sit back and enjoy the circus CPD has become. Oh, and never tell anyone what you do for a living. They'll only laugh too.
12/15/2015 06:31:00 AM
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Honestly, alot of these salties are right... I talked to a guy on the marine unit who was about to retire... he told me to run from CPD, I got a federal LEO position and have not regretted it. Thanks alot Salty
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Leo makes Ex-Commander O'Grady from CPD Narcotics/Harwood Heights police the new second in command of the State Police.
Hurray for Jimmy O'Grady - Now he get 3 pensions.
After he is out with the state he says he is going to the Cook County States Attorney's office to grab a 4th.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/norridge/news/ct-nhh-harwood-heights-chief-resigns-tl-1217-20151214-story.html
12/15/2015 12:37:00 PM
What happened to former CPD deputy chief roti, did Leo make him #3? Top Illinois state police all recycled Cpd clout bosses pension double dip, what a slap in the face to troopers! Pathetic political moves!
"The CPD v the Wisconsin State Trooper is an easy one. Although WI law enforcement could carry in IL, WI law prohibited IL law enforcement from carrying in WI. Wisconsin troopers looked for FOP decals and actively sought any IL POs in possession of a firearm in WI. If you carried on your person or in your vehicle Wisconsin troopers would lock you up for UUW and inventory your weapon. Even the Milwaukee PD hated the Wisconsin troopers and would not allow them to patrol the highways in Milwaukee proper. 9-11 changed all that as subsequent federal law overrode Wisconsin state law allowing concealed carry by LEOs."
Retired CPD and over 70
12/15/2015 06:06:00 PM
Boy, my brother, that sucks. Too bad it took a horrible disaster to turn it around...
...considering how much $$$ and general fun CPD and other IL coppers bring to Wisconsin -- fishing cabins, hunting deer like crazy, drinking beer, buying stuff...anything when there is that mad urge to escape Illinois and spend a little time in the United States.
God bless and stay safe.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Just remember, a jury typically consists of 12 people too stupid to get out of jury duty.
12/15/2015 06:40:00 AM
This is so true on so many levels. I've never last longer than Voir dire. Usually the Def Atony uses a Pre-Emptory Challenge to get rid of me thanks to my Crim Justice degree and various municipal positions. But in all fairness...the SAO's in this county need a few refresher courses in how to present evidence and even talk.
Anti Crime, but Pro LEO....thats me...
Guy on a Bike.
12/15/2015 03:23:00 PM
Or, there are still people like me who don't mind spending a couple of days meting out deserved justice. I ended up as foreman on a jury who convicted an asshat of battery for verbally threatening the life of a police officer. Had the bailiff bring in the code book to show it was against the law and convinced the other jurors that the judge wouldn't go too hard on the bad guy. Joke was on them. Judge gave the guy max time b/c he had a record. Not Cook county, obviously. Now a proud sibling of CPD.
Jim O'Grady is not related to the former sheriff, nor is he the mumber 2 man in the ISP, nor will he be eligible for a pension. He is an attorney and their as an advisor on policy. He was not in charge of Homan Square, the Deputy Chief of OCD was. Now go get your shoeshine box.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Did the 13 merit Sargent receive remedial reading , written and rithmetic , is that why they were trained special .
What a joke , merit detective is the only rank cpd can justify . Officer continues to make arrests , testify in court , good conviction record , write good reports but has trouble scoring in top ten percent .
Merit sergeant , lieutenant should not be allowed .
Half the merit never swiped in or out , late for work , worked inside , poor grooming and uniform standards.
Not fair to any police officer , it was better if they used quota system and picked the next person needed in rank order . Reason they don't is it won't result in the right person getting the promotion .
12/15/2015 09:30:00 AM
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Merit is not a necessity. So long as the test predicts job performance any results can be justified. Thats why those fireman got on the job after 10 years, they proved the CFD entrance test did NOT predict job performance ... blacks did not get hired at a rate 80% that of whites and ....POOF ... prima facie job discrimination per Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1965 (Affirmative Action).
Does anyone know if an officer can sue the family for civil rights violations by the actions of their spawn.
The CPD v the Wisconsin State Trooper is an easy one. Although WI law enforcement could carry in IL, WI law prohibited IL law enforcement from carrying in WI. Wisconsin troopers looked for FOP decals and actively sought any IL POs in possession of a firearm in WI. If you carried on your person or in your vehicle Wisconsin troopers would lock you up for UUW and inventory your weapon. Even the Milwaukee PD hated the Wisconsin troopers and would not allow them to patrol the highways in Milwaukee proper. 9-11 changed all that as subsequent federal law overrode Wisconsin state law allowing concealed carry by LEOs
you forgot about the milk trucks.
Rumor has it that McCarthy is still working from his office at HQ. Rumor has it still getting paid . Rumor has it still has driver and a car at his call. Rumor has it he is waiting for the mayor to remove him personally! Wow like him or hate him he is a hot load!
12/15/2015 06:07:00 PM
That was disgusting display. Wipe that 'hot load' off your chin.
15 shot in one day on a Monday in December. By the way... What are the police doing about it?
12/15/2015 02:05:00 PM
People like you, Mr Troll, have told us to stand down. You have told us not to stop cars we think are suspicious because they will run and there will be a chase. You have told us not to engage offenders with knives and guns and win. You have told us that any person who abuses drugs and dies at the time we engage is our fault. You have told us not to CRIMINALLY profile. You have told us we are expendable.
You have told us that we will lose our families money. You have told us we will go to jail. You have vilified us. You have protested against us while we try to protect you and your family. You have wished us dead. You have whipped up an anti-police sentiment that has caused the deaths of police officers. You have empowered the criminals in this city.
So let me ask you, you moron: What are YOU going to do?
Anonymous said...
"OT: For what it's worth, I've never understood this supposed CFD vs CPD thing.
Your too young or were not on the job when the FD went out on strike, ask an old timer to explain what the FF did at some of the Fire houses and at fire scenes.
Want another tidbit, find a really old Old timer and ask them about the CPD vs Wisconsin State Troopers"
Speaking as a really old timer, police v fire. Issue #1: The CFD went out on strike. Jayne Byrne hired strike breakers. The CPD was tasked with guarding the firehouses as they were being targeted by the strikers.
Issue #2 The police LOVED Byrne. She let us unionize. No longer could an idiot boss launch a southside PO to the northside because the boss didn't like them. "Just cause" in discipline meant something as did seniority. No longer did you have to pay to work a watch. (One PO I worked with paid the district secretary $100 a month to work afternoons so he could go to law school during the day.) OT became time and a half time rather than time for time. Eventually you had a pay option for OT. Time due was allowed to accumulate rather than lost at the end of the calendar year. Police families backed Byrne in re election en masse. Opposed to Byrne were fire families as she had hired strike breakers. The CFD felt they could legally strike and felt targeted by Byrne. They supported Daley. Harold Washington capitalized on the split.
The CPD v the Wisconsin State Trooper is an easy one. Although WI law enforcement could carry in IL, WI law prohibited IL law enforcement from carrying in WI. Wisconsin troopers looked for FOP decals and actively sought any IL POs in possession of a firearm in WI. If you carried on your person or in your vehicle Wisconsin troopers would lock you up for UUW and inventory your weapon. Even the Milwaukee PD hated the Wisconsin troopers and would not allow them to patrol the highways in Milwaukee proper. 9-11 changed all that as subsequent federal law overrode Wisconsin state law allowing concealed carry by LEOs.
Retired CPD and over 70
Everything you state here is true. We both went through it together and share that experience. The guy with 10 to 15 years on the job who didn't know what he was talking about and slammed me for saying that I always had a good relationship with the CFD is the one who needed your post.
Thanks
12/15/2015 06:06:00 PM
Off topic, sorry. I was at the range in the basement last week and one of the range guys was calling one of the nicest guys on our watch a "one way mother fucker" because he was eating lunch and the officer wanted to qualify with handgun. When was it an inconvenience to qualify at a range? Jeez, ease up man.
12/15/2015 03:00:00 PM
I might not be the nicest guy on my watch, but I was very polite and, even so, the asshole at the range recently did a similar thing to me. However, I must say, if I have been at the range 20 times in the past 15 years, I was treated decently the other 14 times.
Approximately 100 plus people shot last week and no National NEWS or marches.....grab a snickers still waiting!!!!
The firemen are one way and NOT your friend. They sold us out on health care to save the 5th drunk on the truck.
The Sgt's followed suit. Watch the two guys running the PBA get great city jobs upon retirement.
The CTU is the enemy! No if and or buts on that.
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