Worse and Worse....for Dad
We aren't sure if the Tribune is publishing this stuff on purpose, but all they've been doing for two days is making the cops look reasonable:
- Antonio LeGrier became fearful and went into his bedroom, locking the door. At some point, the teen came to his door and banged on it, using the baseball bat. The father then called police, telling authorities he feared his son may try to hurt him, the law enforcement source said.
[...] The father then called his downstairs neighbor, Bettie Jones, the first source said, and told her to keep her door locked and watch out for police, and let them in when they arrived. The father told authorities he didn't come back out, staying in his room because he was scared, and let Jones watch for police.
So dear old dad locks himself in the room and call the cops because he's in fear. Then he calls the neighbor lady and has her watch for the cops to let them in because he's too terrified to confront his son who has been beating on the door with a bat - the same bat he would then swing at responding officers. Dad's story is also changing about the "mental distress" he never told anyone about, except when he did sometime that isn't on any call taking tapes, and when the police barged into the house, except when all the blood is in the vestibule according to previous media reports.
Keep it up Tribune - you might actually be a real newspaper someday.
Keep it up Tribune - you might actually be a real newspaper someday.
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posted by SCC at 12:35 AM
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In the mean time, Fox interviews King Louie
HAAHAAAHAAA Legitimizing the criminals!
Strange regarding the Trib. Not to worry, with Rahm back and in charge. Things will work out.
Countless cases of people being beaten with a baseball bat, whether seriously hurt or killed. I hope the lawyer for the cop uses those cases in defense of the cop.
In the Chicago Tribune's Voice of the People dated Tue. 29 Dec 15 various commentors relate how much better they know how to handle the two most recent shooting events. Commentor Suzanne Erfurth lists a plan in which she denigrates the police. She further related her deceased father who was a gun collector, gun rights advocate who drank a lot would have outperformed the Chicago Police in responding to a domestic disturbance even after he tossed back a pint of scotch. You have to ask yourself what is the Chicago Tribune's purpose in publishing such inflammatory rhetoric from halfwits who have no idea of what is going on in the streets of Chicago.
Tasers for EVERYONE !
REMEMBER !!
Just DO NOT Taser anyone because you WILL get sued for that also !!
(per the communist party running EVERTHING)
http://chicago.suntimes.com/chicago-politics/7/71/1214825/emanuel-cpd-interim-chief-plan-de-escalation-approach-tasers
Think that's bad? I was watching ABC7 earlier. They made ZERO mention of the bat, ZERO mention of the father calling 911 in the first place, ZERO mention of him in fear for his life and ZERO reference that anything was even swung at the Officers. They did, however, just say that he was "combative when he was shot". Sure as shit, they also show a clip from CNN where dad is crying his eyes out during an interview while he talked about "the police being called because he only wanted to help his son when they just shot him". The media is just playing this entire thing out like he was never armed, never a threat, and the evil PO-LEECE just showed up and gunned down another "innocent" black victim. Oh, let's not forget the media constantly saying that he was an "engineering student" every five minutes and conveniently forgetting about his rap sheet and several arrest for resisting and battery to PO. The entire back story of him being off of his meds because his "friends told him to" and his "mother supporting it" disappeared as well.
To the guys on New Year's Eve working.. Please don't be an idiot and go hunting for guns at midnight. Find a hole and listen to the shots and relax. Just like in the past year, you guys will hide in alleys, gangways etc waiting for the shots for that easy pistol.. It's not worth it this year. You're going to end up shooting and killing somebody, just like every year. It will turn into a story and so will you.
How quickly the media forgets about Natasha Mcshane. Maybe someone should ask her parents how a bat can be used to cause serious damage
I don't blame Daddy for not wanting to confront his son. I do blame him for blaming the police that he called in to deal with his son.
Also from the story:
"Antonio LeGrier, the teen's father, told police his son went to his mother's home for Christmas break, but was then sent to stay with his father. On Christmas Day, his father invited him to a Christmas party, but the teen declined to go, the law enforcement source said the father told authorities.
When the father returned home from the party with a plate of food for the teen, the son became agitated with the portion, according to the law enforcement source. The father went to another holiday party, and upon returning, saw his son had grown more agitated with him, the source said the father told authorities."
Wow. The father thoughtfully brings him back some food from a party, and the son becomes irate over the "portion" size?
To the point of threatening his own father with a baseball bat well after the fact?
WOW.
20/20 Hindsight. The poor old woman shouldn't have hung out by the doorway. She should have opened the door and ran out into the yard.
CFD will wait at the door front for us the police to arrive when a mental call involving a violent mental or with a history of a fighting mental to an address. This is because we the police get paid to get our asses kicked by these insane lunatics! I've had so many brothers in blue get seriously hurt while trying to handcuff a mental. So i guess ONE of the officers on scene had to of had their head bashed in! To make it justified! Unfucking .....!
ALSO RELEVANT:
"When police arrived, Jones apparently opened the front door that separates the vestibule of the building with the front porch, according to the law enforcement source. When the officer arrived, they got to the second-to-last step before the porch when the teen came running out of the building, swinging the bat, and shots were fired, the source said."
It's not like the officer shot from street-level distance at a calm, stationary person simply holding a bat on the porch.
**The officer was literally just a few feet away from
- a charging 19-year-old male
- aggressively swinging a deadly weapon
- who had pending court dates regarding alleged violence towards others
- was launching a surprise attack from close proximity while on his own familiar turf
- after causing sufficient fear of harm in his own father that the father not only called the police, the father could not even leave the room he was confined in**
As a non-LEO member of the public, this seems to clearly indicate an act of self-defense by the officer. This is tragic regardless, and people need to avoid rushing to judgment until all the facts are in.
The cop was apparently being charged by a male swinging a baseball bat from a few feet away, suddenly charging from the doorway of the house.
It sounds as though Ms Jones family understands it was not the officer who caused this.
This entire "Mental" issue is a very dangerous topic.
Lost in all of this is that, when it comes to our safety, we shouldn't care if we are dealing with a mental or not, we care about the action, not the motive.
The only difference between a mental and a criminal, is that the criminal knows what he is doing is wrong, but doesn't care.
We must base our response (use of force) on the act (the physical threat), the motive only matters for criminal charges.
Yes, of course you can treat a mental differently, but that ends at the first sign of a violent act.
If someone came up to me with a baseball bat and really threatening me, I'm not asking him what Meds he's on - or if he took him that day.
Two or three tablets of hollow-point, preferably to the head will ALWAYS cure the illness.
I don't know of any other medicine that works so fast in the bloodstream.
It's possible, but I doubt it, that the media realizes that maybe they pushed things too far with their false reporting on these police shootings. They wanted a news story to pick up ratings so they are willing to agitate the low IQ crowd. The problem is those dummies (media and protesters) don't know when to quit. They make racial tensions worse and provoke violence. Not to mention that in the process many people are now starting to feel some sympathy for Rahm.
499, lets go Bangers! 2 days 2 go, we need your help!
I'll tell you what I resent........the TV stations giving airtime to the hustler for the "family that wasn't there" Laquan McDonald's whole life! And they are filled with such indignation and allowed to spew this crap and their political agenda. Psychologists must be having a field day.
Never happen - now the Tribune is whining because the police don't pay for red-light tickets they get responding to jobs. What is their fucking problem?
I just love how this family fucked up their chances of getting a ghetto lottery. First they mentioned he had a baseball bat. Second the mom mentioned that he was taking medication but I told him to stop taking it. What could have been a 5 million dollar settlement is probably now half or even less than that.
All because daddy didn't luv him enough to bring home some food from the party! Well the dead fool should have gone to that party and got his own food.
Once again in the below threads people are lambasting the FOP. This is your union and nothing is stopping you from going to a meeting and any FOP union member can stand up and not only speak their voice but more importantly change the bylaws. So what is stopping you? Come election time, about 15% to 19% of the active members vote. While retirees vote at double the rates of active members. Once again, you can't even friggin circle a dot and mail in an envelope!
Hey parents, you can't handle your kids, don't call the police!
You take "little shit bag" to the hospital!
JUST A CITIZEN SAYS: Well, eventually someone in the media has to stop lying before they all turn into Brian Williams. The truth is the truth. Stupid liberals. I pray for all of you everyday. Met the nicest LEO in Whole Foods in Streeterville parking lot the other day. All I thought about was how young he was and how much you all just want to do your job. Where is Charles Bronson or Raylan Givens when you need them?
good ,more tasers deployed equals an easy out!WHICH MEANS MORE HOSPITAL RUNS WITH BAD GUY AND MORE LAWSUITS!rham and the fellow politicians have no clue about police work!more paperwork for officers and supervisors too!STUPID MOVE COWBOY!!
who gives a shit what the mental state of the offender is. If you are a threat with a deadly weapon, no matter if you have a mental disability, on drugs, drunk or plain out sober, you will be shot dead.
Hey, this happens all the time! I am sure we all have had an occasion where one of our kids threatens us with a baseball bat, and we cower in a locked room, praying the police will come to save us! Another Gentle Giant? "Baby G"
Rahm 2019
"Antonio LeGrier became fearful and went into his bedroom, locking the door..."
...and what was that about the 2-by-4 he used to barricade the door? Did he have those brackets screwed to the door frame? Was this a regular scene in that place?
...and after the mother told the guy not to take his prescribed medication, I really doubt that the fambly here stayed in touch with the "mental health professionals" they KNEW to be treating their son...
"So dear old dad locks himself in the room and call the cops because he's in fear. Then he calls the neighbor lady and has her watch for the cops to let them in because he's too terrified to confront his son who has been beating on the door with a bat - the same bat he would then swing at responding officers."
...and then after the police HE CALLED save him from maybe getting his brains beaten out, the asshole instantly files a "wrongful death" suit and goes crying all over CNN about "my whole future has been shattered," etc., etc.
What a load of shit.
Rahm really got something started with these instant $5 million G.L. payouts, huh?
Somebody gonna Lotto. Might as well be you...
The Sun Times is staying the course with their anti police rhetoric.
They never let silly things like truths and facts get in the way of pushing their agenda.
OT: Not reported on news: in 007 a Norfolk southern railroad cop parked in his unmarked car 99. M/1 assailant walks up from behind and fires 5 rounds from a defaced handgun into the car. Officer not struck. Assailant arrested by CPD, weapon recovered. Three prior arrests, none violent (all cannabis with on including traffic offenses). Wonder if that will make it into the news?
One question that comes to my mind in all of this, is how the media is handling the headlines. In previous media 'made' high profile news stories, the slant always seems to be "white officer shoots black unarmed/under-armed blah blah aspiring blah youth/family man of X". Not a peep in this case of race of officers involved.
What changed?
Cooter said
Chapter 720, Article 5, Section 7-5, of the Illinois Compiled Statutes provides in part:
"A peace officer ... need not retreat or desist from efforts to make a lawful arrest because of resistance or threatened resistance to the arrest. He is justified in the use of any force which he reasonably believes to be necessary to effect the arrest and of any force which he reasonably believes to be necessary to defend himself or another from bodily harm while making the arrest
Again Taser INC Wins Big
RhambO will take away our guns next
Then we cant defend ourselves ...........but have to just use a Taser
Does the Mayors BS Bodygurds all have Tasers?
Do Nothing answer Calls
Not just Dad. Mom is backpedaling like crazy too, both of them contradicting themselves left and right.
"Some members of LeGrier's family [LIKE HIS MOTHER] have said he suffered from mental illness, CNN affiliate WLS reported, but the teen's mother has disputed that characterization.
"Stop disparaging his character," she pleaded Sunday. "He does not have mental issues. He was an honors student."
Yeah, honors student out on bond for multiple assaults on police officers and other offenses...
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/30/us/chicago-police-policy-tasers/index.html
Three-ring circus...
One day babymama say --
"Cook said her soon was a sophomore studying engineering at Northern Illinois University and had been suffering from some type of mental illness since September. He had been taking medication, but she said his classmates had told her he was better without it.
"So I told him not to take it," she said."
The next day, it's --
"Stop disparaging his character," she pleaded Sunday. "He does not have mental issues. He was an honors student."
Keep talking, the both of you.
Scc did you see on channel 7 last night the reporter interview his foster mother that really raised him and tried to adopt him? She looked like someone tells the camera that she tried to adopt him but the father refused. So mom wasn't one to raise him nor dad. More To This story. Someone should look into that. Jeremy warner should be working on this kids background.
Has anyone FOIA, the NIU police reports on the kid?
His state arrest record should be pulled also.
They are claiming kis was not a threat.
Lets so how much law enforcement contact had with this kid
With new training, officers will be encouraged to ask themselves questions such as: “What is the full range of options for how to respond?” “Do I need to take action immediately or can I slow the situation down and buy more time?” and “ If the conflict is minor and does require police intervention, should I just leave the scene?”
So does this mean we will now be allowed to say "19-Paul squad...they just having a little family disputewith bats n knifes"!
Sounds great!
Per the Tribune: City wants to have all officers equipped with TASERS by summer"
Unless Dean rolls over (very likely) the City will have to buy them."First issue clause" of the contract.
Also: "The department also devised a training procedure that focuses on teaching officers how to avoid using force if at all possible and as long as it’s safe."
Take your time getting to the call. Let the agitated person tire out. Stay unengaged as long as possible. WHat happens, happens.
Get and stay fetal. Also City getting grief for police getting a pass on speeding and redlight cameras. So drive slow and legal.
Also reported in the Trib that LeGrier came out of the building swinging the bat. The officers fired and Bettie Jones, who was standing behind LeGrier, was struck. Reported in the Sun-Times LeGrier was in foster care since he was 5 since mommy abused him and she told social workers, "she was going to kill her son." How are police supposed to figure out this level of dysfunction and tase it into compliance? The officer involved must be going through hell and Rahm better not throw him under the bus.
While watching the news last night they had daddy on with his lawyer saying how good of a boy Quintino was and that he raised him a good man. Then they cut to grand momma who stated that she raised Quintino because momma couldn't. Then they cut to momma claiming that she raised her son and not babies daddy!!!! Everyone wants a piece of the city pie now!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Never happen - now the Tribune is whining because the police don't pay for red-light tickets they get responding to jobs. What is their fucking problem?
12/30/2015 07:01:00 AM
SERIOUSLY?
(OT) Noticed today old charlie williams must be scared, rahm comes back and lo and behold streets and sans trucks spreading salt everywhere, when rahm was gone charlie where were the trucks? Guess you really are not going to run CPD thank God!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
One question that comes to my mind in all of this, is how the media is handling the headlines. In previous media 'made' high profile news stories, the slant always seems to be "white officer shoots black unarmed/under-armed blah blah aspiring blah youth/family man of X". Not a peep in this case of race of officers involved.
What changed?
12/30/2015 09:59:00 AM
Um, the race of the involved officers?
Damn fine job on that robbery crew last night in 002 guys. Even better there wasnt a lead exchange and you didnt end up getting your overtime/kids tuition stolen from you for a minimum 1 month.
"All because daddy didn't luv him enough to bring home some food from the party! Well the dead fool should have gone to that party and got his own food."
12/30/2015 07:47:00 AM
It's a Chicago Christmas Classic -- another "last chicken leg killing." Please, please, people; if you have to do this, keep it inside and don't put your innocent neighbors, emergency responders, and others at risk.
I guess that's about all we can ask these days -- and I am confident that even this simple request will go unheeded.
New Year's a'comin' -- we will hit that 500 yet, and then some.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Cooter said
Chapter 720, Article 5, Section 7-5, of the Illinois Compiled Statutes provides in part:
"A peace officer ... need not retreat or desist from efforts to make a lawful arrest because of resistance or threatened resistance to the arrest. He is justified in the use of any force which he reasonably believes to be necessary to effect the arrest and of any force which he reasonably believes to be necessary to defend himself or another from bodily harm while making the arrest
12/30/2015 10:19:00 AM
Rahm Emanuel, in his relentless pursuit of pandering
to the catered-to constituency and keeping them on
the Democratic Party slave plantation, wants to have
Chicago exempted from this passage of ILCS and an MCC
"Police Duty to Retreat/De-Escalate" drawn up and put on the books.
Heh...
Common sense applies for everywhere else in Illinois.
The real test will be if Chicago can go it alone and pull
off hurting their Police and taxpayers like this.
Severe penalties for Chicago Police Officers failing to "comply."
Right?
The new accountability...
How ya like it?
Will some CPD/FOP official finally go on tv and let the public know that Tasers would not be viable options in this case or the Laquan McDonald shooting? You cannot use a Taser on people on PCP, People holding a knife, or people swinging an aluminum baseball bat. This would put the officers life in danger and in too close of a proximity to the offender. Asshole monday morning QB's and alderfools need to know Tasers are for corralling unarmed combative drunks,non-compliant asshats, and known police fighters. Also dispel the notion that a Taser can be deployed up a flight of stairs, onto a porch with sniper rifle accuracy from sixty feet. Shotgun with beanbag round may work as non-lethal option from a distance, but that costs money and Rahm won't get a ta$te from those companies, like he will from uncle terry hilliard at Tasercorp.
Wow. The father thoughtfully brings him back some food from a party, and the son becomes irate over the "portion" size?
To the point of threatening his own father with a baseball bat well after the fact?
WOW.
12/30/2015 03:45:00 AM
Wow, this home must've been a hoot on thanksgiving..that last turkey leg has always been good for hundreds of RD numbers.
The mayor's response... tasers for all!
Why would would anyone use a taser against somebody who is using deadly force them?
Idiots!!
Guys working New Years Eve remember Tiny Dancer, the Supe and Disability Dean will sell you out in a heart beat. Find a quiet spot and stay safe!
Sitting here watching rahms news conference looks like John is way over his head and rahm is a control freak, if your working be careful with this news conference rahm bought a freight train put it on Amtrak rails has John driving and your crossing the path the big question "do you feel lucky punk well do you?" Rahm says he "reached out to the family" does that mean he reached out to the coppers because we are the blue family, watched rahm sick down gulps of water looks like he does not have a clue, he needs to resign! We are getting more training yea ok and the songs play on! We are short how many officers? With over 100 million spent on overtime it clearly shows we need to hire admit it John admit it mayor!
Watching rahm why does he only have black men and women behind him that's racist correct? Or pandering or both? We don't have equipment by any stretch we don't have qualified bosses! Wow John really looks like the guy from great America 😎
You mean lies are falling apart ? Oh Heavens no not the lies - they're all the community has to fall back on .
Protesters screaming inches from officer's faces at Rham's house.
Officers, you do not have to accept that abuse.... Push them back and if they do it again.... Lock Them Up! WTF!
Many dangerous diseases are spread via spital mucous.
Anonymous said...
To the guys on New Year's Eve working.. Please don't be an idiot and go hunting for guns at midnight. Find a hole and listen to the shots and relax. Just like in the past year, you guys will hide in alleys, gangways etc waiting for the shots for that easy pistol.. It's not worth it this year. You're going to end up shooting and killing somebody, just like every year. It will turn into a story and so will you.
12/30/2015 03:11:00 AM
Area Deputy Chiefs used to come on the air and tell all units to NOT respond to shots fired on New Years Eve. Also told dispatchers not to assign units any jobs in the jets the couple of hours around midnight.
Find a viaduct.
Anonymous said...
To the guys on New Year's Eve working.. Please don't be an idiot and go hunting for guns at midnight. Find a hole and listen to the shots and relax. Just like in the past year, you guys will hide in alleys, gangways etc waiting for the shots for that easy pistol.. It's not worth it this year. You're going to end up shooting and killing somebody, just like every year. It will turn into a story and so will you.
12/30/2015 03:11:00 AM
There is a goof on 025 midnights LP and JM. Both of them will be in the 30 sector looking for shots fired and they will swoop in and make that all important gun arrest.
God help the CPD when medical marijuana becomes legal. Users will undoubtably abuse it and combine with other drugs and
alcohol. Mental cases galore. Then what? So many more ramifications for police.
What goes up must come down.
Find a viaduct this New Year's Eve.
Play police at midnite so you can get a gun pinch,
then have your lawyer on standby waiting for your indictment
after you kill the poor honor student who was just celebrating.
From Preckwinkle:
"It's hard for me to believe that the police in the city of Chicago could get away with the shootings and executions of young black and brown men if the victims of those shootings and executions were white," Preckwinkle said. "There's a culture in the police department, I think, and in our larger society that black and brown lives don't matter in the same way that the lives of white people matter.
install a port in every vehicle to charge tasers
rammies bodyguard detail better be carrying a taser and wearing bodycams with audio
Hmmm.
This was done to the military from 2004 forward when Abu Gharib broke - and now that "the war is over" is being enshrined. By the same desk jockey cowards you might be familiar with....the point of this isn't truth, justice, fairness but submission.
So you're being beat into the "Fetal" position and mouthing PC platitudes to survive.
Just so you know from the Presidents own lips "The Model is Camden."
Camden city, NJ police no longer exist. It's over to the new Camden County police.
They'll take the hit on crime to take power away from you and put it where and with who they want it.
"Crime rates in Camden soared in 2011 and 2012 after police department layoffs that were put into place as the state's subsidy for Camden was reduced. Since the new department arrived, there's been a sharp drop in reported crime." - NJ.com
Politics is Power.
Stop going hot to jobs. You fucking cowboys never learn to take your time. Stay fetal brothers.
the sad part is no one seems to care about the neighbor lady who really is a victim.
Chicken shit daddy.
Just saw on channel 7 news at 4:30 the mother of this mental nut job crying her eyes out that the police shot and killed her loving son who would never have hurt a fly... excuse me...he was armed with a deadly weapon attempting to attack responding police officers like he has done in the past and is on bond or should I say was on bond for it until his demise... hope everyone in blue makes it thru this storm ok and glad the officers involved were not injured or worse....
Maybe they could post Sternberg, Fusco, Dumke and a few of the other Sun Times frauds as the emergency contacts for West and South siders who otherwise hit 911 for their dysfunctional lives. These fucking know it alls have the answers for every emergency situation.
From Toni Preckwinkle in and interview in response to Rahm's speech
(Part one)
"It's hard for me to believe that the police in the city of Chicago could get away with the shootings and executions of young black and brown men if the victims of those shootings and executions were white," Preckwinkle said. "There's a culture in the police department, I think, and in our larger society that black and brown lives don't matter in the same way that the lives of white people matter.
+++++++++++++++
Ms. P: although the above quote angers me because you are incorrectly labeling police shootings as "executions" in order to further your political ambitions under the guise of caring about your community, I will try to respond in a measured way. I am a retired CPD supervisor and I can tell you without equivocation that police officers, do not go to work every day in hopes that they can shoot someone, even more so today than in any era in the past.
Speaking to recent incidents, PO Van Dyke has been charged and barring a full collapse of the Cook County Court system, and a 100% turnaround by the media, will be convicted and jailed if only because he has no chance for a fair trial in this town. I will not comment on on the incident, his thought process or the evidence, because none of that matters.
Part two:The political "leaders", social activists and the cooperating (meaning all) media have poisoned the well for as far as jury summonses can be sent.
As to the tragedy this weekend, I can only imagine the sorrow and consternation of the family of the innocently killed bystander. A horrible outcome, and I am positive that the officer involved feels sick about it. I hope that he can get through the incident and it's aftermath without permanent mental scars.
As to the man (yes, a man) with the bat; the officer did not seek him out, did not stalk him, did not plant a weapon not in any way seek to find someone to execute. The officer and his co-workers were SUMMONED to that scene by a father too afraid of his own son, afraid for his own life. So afraid that he locked himself in a bathroom or bedroom, called the police and remained locked in his room to PROTECT HIS OWN LIFE from his son. The father knows his son, knows his past, (a recent violent past according to court and police records from DeKalb), knows his violent tendencies, knows that his ex wife sent the son to him because the son was a problem.
Part three:
Those problems appear to stem from some sort of mental illness. An illness for which the family sought and received treatment. He was prescribed medicine that he stopped taking because his mother, HIS MOTHER, MIND YOU, told him to stop taking. So he stops the medicine, and as sure as night follows day, his behavior degrades and we are where we are, the young man coming at a police officer with a deadly weapon. And I can assure you, a bat, whether wood or metal is a deadly weapon. If you don't believe that to be true, I will be happy to demonstrate for you the efficacy of a baseball bat as a weapon using anything that approximates a human skull or bone and tissue.
Police officers across America, and in any civilized country are not trained to take a potentially life threatening blow from a blunt force weapon, or a gunshot or get stabbed or run over, or allow those things to happen to other citizens before deciding after such an act to apply deadly force. We are trained to eliminate a threat prior to the violent act.
That is what happened here. The officer, in a split second (because that is all the time we get) determined that the man was a threat to him, his fellow officers and the very citizens that had called him to the scene. So the officer, following the oaththat he took to protect lives and property eliminated the threat. Your mention in your remarks of police officers executing brown and black citizens is at best disingenuous and at worst, inflammatory. The police react to situations as those situations are presented to them. If a person points a gun at a police officer or citizen, or presents in a threatening manner in any way that threatens a life, then the officer is duty bound to stop that from happening in a legal justifiable manner.
What would you and the media be saying if the officer hesitated, allowing the disturbed young man to turn his violent actions on the innocent neighbor, killing or maiming her? You would be using your same bully pulpit to have him fired for dereliction of duty.
Again, the fact that an innocent person was killed is tragic in every way. But Ms. Preckwinkle I would implore you to remember that the police were summoned to the scene.
No one sought to eexecute anyone.
NYPD graduated 1200 new recruits on 29Dec15. How many have graduated from the CPD Academy this year? Aaahh.. Rham.....you do know that violent crime is down in New York don't you?
Both parents were such fine people that the DCFS had to place the deceased "honors student" in a foster home.
Sounds familiar. No ghetto lottery paydays for biological parents who did not raise their own children.
I have recommended not talking to the media for quite some time now, but if you feel the need to tell the media about how you rescued three kids from a burning house or arrested a man wanted for raping and robbing an elderly woman, please say the following...
I will be more than happy to tell the media my story if my race and the race of the victim or offender is included in the narrative. If the media feels the need to report that an accused officer is white and the "victim" is black, then they should report the background of every person in every situation. This particularly goes for white officers, because we are the ones that are chiefly being vilified.
I have heard white Chicago Police Officer Jason Van Dyke or white officer Jason Van Dyke so many times now that I'm almost convinced that I work for a town called White Chicago or have the job title of White Officer. And of course this trend is nationwide and never ending.
To whoever wrote above about changing FOP by-laws. You must be one of those morons on that shit "Board". Everytime someone tries to change by-laws, you never send put a ballot, instead you pack the house with old farts and they vote however in hopes of getting free lunch. Give me a real reason why we active guys should vote.
If the mayors bodyguards do not carry the taser or wear the body camera , it means that if the mayor is attacked with a baseball bat , the bodyguards are required to use deadly force , no body cams , means he will cover it up .
Mayors car and tail car should have dashboard cameras on at all times , he has history of going through red lights .
How many other traffic violations are committed and covered up .
Those cars belong to taxpayer , we should be able to view his cars GPS and video of dash camera .
A suggestion for Dean Angelo...
Most of these new fangled policies and ideas are in conflict with state law and the US Constitution. Not that it ever stopped them before, but the stupid ideas are going to be coming at us constantly.
Challenge every politician that wants to pass these unconstitutional laws and policies affix their name proudly to it AND refuse immunity from liability if these laws/policies cause undue harm to the police.
Make them put their money where their mouth is. Get constitutional law experts to chime in and reinforce the challenge.
Suprisingly No Supervisor was on scene, why did the responding Officers feel the need to rush in there in the first place? It was disturbance with the Son, Not a Battery in Progress.
As John Wasco said, "It takes one second to step into Shit & forever to get out of it".
What a great man the dad is. Call 911, tell the female neighbor to answer the door and he locks the door and hides. He never should have asked the neighbor to get involved. If anything, he should have handled his son and told her to stay in her apartment with the door locked. If I were her family, I would be angry with the dad.
Chances are the city will give away a couple of million dollars to this family. Then in true ghetto fashion they will blow it. I remember Jeremiah Mearday. That idiot was awarded 1.8 million dollars. He blew it all. He had a supped up SUV and he double parked it by a club at North Avenue. He got out to talk to some ladies. A drunk driver crashed into it and he totaled it. He only had liability insurance and the other driver had no insurance. Also a lady friend stole $200,000 in cash he had underneath his bed. The lady friend drugged him and then they ransacked his crib and they took his cash. Ah the good ole days. The same shit is going to happen to this ghetto family. In the end, Darwin always wins.
RIP snitch boxes. The order has been rescinded. Where are we going to get our info now?
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Gone into the national news now --
Guidance to unarmed aviation police: Run and hide
Updated 9:15 PM ET, Wed December 30, 2015
"Chicago (CNN)Hundreds of police officers at one of the country's busiest airports say in the case of an active shooter, they are instructed to run and hide.
"That's because these officers are unique among the nation's major airports: They don't carry guns.
"Their badges, uniforms and vehicles all say "police." And they are certified police officers in the state of Illinois.
"But these nearly 300 aviation police officers, also known as aviation security officers, are not allowed to carry guns at Chicago's O'Hare and Midway airports.
"The officers who are armed are from the Chicago Police Department, which is the primary law enforcement agency at O'Hare and Midway.
"Internal aviation department documents obtained through department sources state, "If evacuation is not possible: hide."
"The documents advise locking doors, turning off lights and remaining quiet and calm.
"We must also ensure that unarmed security personnel ... do not attempt to become part of the response, but could be invaluable to the evacuation efforts," the documents said.
"In addition, a training video shown to aviation police officers has the same instructions: "If evacuation is not possible, you should find a place to hide where the active shooter is less likely to find you. Block entry to your hiding place and lock the door."
"That makes no sense, said aviation police officers interviewed by CNN. Aviation officers say they want to be able to carry guns on the job.
"We're not trying to replace the Chicago police officers; we just want to have the tools to do the job like every other law enforcement agency in the country," said one officer who requested anonymity..."
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/30/us/unarmed-aviation-officers/index.html
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Just did a search on "New Year's Eve" "security" "Chicago" and all I see is stories about how NYC will have 6,000 heavily-armed and specially-equipped officers in Times Square alone.
I did come up with this --
CTA to provide free rides overnight on New Year's Eve
Dec 30 2015 03:06PM CST
"CHICAGO (STMW) - CTA riders will not have to pay for trains and buses over the New Year’s holiday.
"Beginning 10 p.m. Thursday, all CTA trains and buses will be free to ride, according to a statement from the agency. Riders will not need to touch their fare cards at turnstiles or before boarding buses until 4 a.m. Friday.
"The CTA will also extend hours and increase the frequency of service for several bus and rail routes, the statement said."
http://www.fox32chicago.com/traffic/66543765-story
A real confidence-builder here.
Rhams Detail Should only Have TASER TASER TASER
Our Guns Sticks and Leather Jackets will be taken away next
FLOP ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzz Fuk U Rham I take my time even going to calls
now taking due care to be safe and keep the public safe when I drive to my jobs Unless a 10-1
I guess some of my earlier what-could-have-happened speculation here might have had something to it. Stopped clock right twice a day, that's me. >grin<
Chicago officer didn't see 55-year-old neighbor before fatal shooting, newspaper reports
12.30 / 06:16 tampabay.com
"CHICAGO — The Chicago police officer who last weekend shot a 19-year-old teen and a 55-year-old mother of five told investigators he didn't see the woman until after she had been accidentally shot, the Chicago Tribune reported...
"The officer told authorities that as he and his partner arrived early Saturday morning at a West Garfield Park home, Quintonio LeGrier ran out of the building, swinging a bat at both officers.
"The officer fired at the teen several times, fatally striking him. But the officer also fatally shot in the chest Bettie Jones, a downstairs neighbor who the Tribune reported was standing in the doorway behind the teen. The officer later said he didn't see her."
http://myinforms.com/en-us/a/21225283-chicago-officer-didnt-see-55-year-old-neighbor-before-fatal-shooting-newspaper-reports/
Lets play "What if..."
Police respond to a scene of a mental disturbance. On arrival the police are the victims of an aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. The police officers discharge their weapons in defense of their lives, which results in the accidental death of a non-combatant. The assaulter recovers and is taken into custody.
He could/should face charges of aggravated battery of a police officer and murder charges, as his assault resulted in the death of another. (Read the Illinois Statute on "Accountability") And check the case law.
But Rahm is throwing the police under the bus yet again with the line that "deadly force should be the last option, not the first."
It is. Most police officers go out of their way not to use deadly force. Sounds like this situation sounds like it went bad so fast that deadly force wasn't just the first choice, it was the only choice.
While the "father" has filed a civil suit for the loss of a son that he had little to do with, none of the people that were around him are calling for criminal charges against the police. And rightly so. Because the "family" might not like where charges land.
Cooter said
Chapter 720, Article 5, Section 7-5, of the Illinois Compiled Statutes provides in part:
"A peace officer ... need not retreat or desist from efforts to make a lawful arrest because of resistance or threatened resistance to the arrest. He is justified in the use of any force which he reasonably believes to be necessary to effect the arrest and of any force which he reasonably believes to be necessary to defend himself or another from bodily harm while making the arrest
12/30/2015 10:19:00 AM
That's all fine and dandy but in this case he wasn't making an arrest.
NEW Body Camera Order Just came out today.
It goes into effect 1 January.
http://directives.chicagopolice.org/directives/data/a7a57b38-151f3872-56415-1f38-89ce6c22d026d090.pdf?hl=true
1/13, no way we can get to 3000 shot in 25 hrs, 500 killed is in the bag. 500/3000 such a good sound to it.
Scc, the last line of this post was unessary. The trib is treating us fair in this article unlike every other news outlets and you have to add that insult in the end. We are our own worst enemy.
Here's an article about what a baseball bat can do to someone. It was done by someone living with him. So much for a bat not being a deadly weapon.
http://www.nwherald.com/2015/12/29/richmond-business-owner-in-critical-condition-after-christmas-morning-attack/a66u31e/
OT:
"There is, however, this study by the Brennan Center, which looked at statistics from the 30 largest US cities. Needless to say, murders happen outside big cities. But their study, which was able to get data from most of those cities, found an overall 11% rise in the murder rate as of Oct. 1 (pretty substantial) and a slight decrease in crime overall. One point to bear in mind is that murder rates have fallen so far over the last 20 years that relatively small differences can be substantial in percentage terms. The numbers are still lower than they were as recently as three or four years ago. But there are some cities where the numbers have really jumped. In Washington, DC for instance, the murder rate has gone up 54 percent since last year, from 104 homicides last year to 160 this year. Meanwhile, Baltimore's murder rate went up a staggering 61%! It's worth noting that there were even more murders in DC as recently as 2008. Other cities like Boston, Detroit and Las Vegas have seen their rates drop substantially. But still, a 50% jump is a big move. There's no getting around that."
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/are-murder-rates-going-back-up
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Estimates for paid attendance at "Chi-Town Rising" have dropped from 100,000 to 7,000, according to WGN Radio...sounds like the over-$100 admittance fee made a big difference.
Do we get a smoldering house drifting down the river, too?
From Preckwinkle:
"It's hard for me to believe that the police in the city of Chicago could get away with the shootings and executions of young black and brown men if the victims of those shootings and executions were white," Preckwinkle said. "There's a culture in the police department, I think, and in our larger society that black and brown lives don't matter in the same way that the lives of white people matter.
No Toni, its because blacks are the offender in crimes 9 out of 10 times in chicago. That makes it a high probability that the police are going to encounter these black criminals since its their job to arrest them and some are going to be armed and some might try and kill the officer so he doesn't have to go to jail. A better solution would be to have these black people obey the law so the police don't go looking for them but there are so many of them who are fatherless and on the road to nowhere and are being empowered by racists leaders like you to act like even bigger assholes because they know you will support them.
"It's hard for me to believe that the police in the city of Chicago could get away with the shootings and executions of young black and brown men if the victims of those shootings and executions were white," Preckwinkle said. "There's a culture in the police department, I think, and in our larger society that black and brown lives don't matter in the same way that the lives of white people matter.
It would help if black people wouldn't commit so many crimes. Thats the type of thing that attracts police.
The culture among blacks that they are always the victim is what the problem is.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
RIP snitch boxes. The order has been rescinded. Where are we going to get our info now?
12/30/2015 08:56:00 PM
Now, if only the 'bureau' can go into the same trash receptacle. Thank God he didn't stay any longer; we'd have had 'precincts' by April.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
CFD will wait at the door front for us the police to arrive when a mental call involving a violent mental or with a history of a fighting mental to an address. This is because we the police get paid to get our asses kicked by these insane lunatics! I've had so many brothers in blue get seriously hurt while trying to handcuff a mental. So i guess ONE of the officers on scene had to of had their head bashed in! To make it justified! Unfucking .....!
12/30/2015 04:04:00 AM
Here's where you're WRONG. Nothing in our contract or rules and regulations says we need to be subjected to "getting our asses kicked." I'm going home in one piece with the same holes I left the house with. I get what you're saying and been in that position and off with surgeries fighting with these animals, but if someone is swinging a bat, they're getting put down. Not getting hurt. Sorry.
From Preckwinkle:
"It's hard for me to believe that the police in the city of Chicago could get away with the shootings and executions of young black and brown men if the victims of those shootings and executions were white," Preckwinkle said. "There's a culture in the police department, I think, and in our larger society that black and brown lives don't matter in the same way that the lives of white people matter.
Toni, you should be glad you've found something that black people do better than whites besides basketball: crime!! You guys are the best. Murder, robbery, drug sales, stealing cars, sexual assault, burglary, aggravated assault to police officers, aggravated battery, kidnapping, arson, etc. You're the best of the best. Congrats!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT --
Estimates for paid attendance at "Chi-Town Rising" have dropped from 100,000 to 7,000, according to WGN Radio...sounds like the over-$100 admittance fee made a big difference.
Do we get a smoldering house drifting down the river, too?
12/30/2015 11:56:00 PM
How about a dinghy full of shit festooned with rockets and half-sticks?
Too much fun as it drifts to close to where Rahm and fam is watching...
>Fsssssssst!
KA-BLOOEY!<
Play the 911 tape of daddy screaming for help!
To: That's all fine and dandy but in this case he wasn't making an arrest.
12/30/2015 10:25:00 PM..................
I pray you are not a copper, as you are a complete moron.
That's all fine and dandy but in this case he wasn't making an arrest.
12/30/2015 10:25:00 PM
That's right, dumbfuck. In this case he was defending his life while being attacked by a violent nut job swinging a bat. Now go and fetch your shine box, you stupid fuck.
All the workers setting up Chitown Rising are non union.
Maybe the fire department can start responding to domestics, hell they can respond to all police calls. No such thing as criminals anymore just mentals.
Cooter said
Chapter 720, Article 5, Section 7-5, of the Illinois Compiled Statutes provides in part:
"A peace officer ... need not retreat or desist from efforts to make a lawful arrest because of resistance or threatened resistance to the arrest. He is justified in the use of any force which he reasonably believes to be necessary to effect the arrest and of any force which he reasonably believes to be necessary to defend himself or another from bodily harm while making the arrest
12/30/2015 10:19:00 AM
That's all fine and dandy but in this case he wasn't making an arrest.
12/30/2015 10:25:00 PM
Wow you are stupid
Anonymous Anonymous said...
All the workers setting up Chitown Rising are non union.
12/31/2015 07:55:00 AM
Oh, that's just priceless.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT --
Estimates for paid attendance at "Chi-Town Rising" have dropped from 100,000 to 7,000, according to WGN Radio...sounds like the over-$100 admittance fee made a big difference.
Do we get a smoldering house drifting down the river, too?
12/30/2015 11:56:00 PM
No, the RedLoons have left the (non-smoldering) building. Oh, and they owe tens of thousands of dollars in rent on the building, as well.
I do believe old Toni Preckwinkle is setting herself up for Rahm's job when BLM get him to resign.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
To whoever wrote above about changing FOP by-laws. You must be one of those morons on that shit "Board". Everytime someone tries to change by-laws, you never send put a ballot, instead you pack the house with old farts and they vote however in hopes of getting free lunch. Give me a real reason why we active guys should vote.
12/30/2015 06:49:00 PM
?????????????????
Is that you Steve? John? Haven't seen either one of you in a while.
From Preckwinkle:
"It's hard for me to believe that the police in the city of Chicago could get away with the shootings and executions of young black and brown men if the victims of those shootings and executions were white," Preckwinkle said. "There's a culture in the police department, I think, and in our larger society that black and brown lives don't matter in the same way that the lives of white people matter.
She will be our next Mayor. This is not sarcasm this is fact if you've been following things. Her uber liberal grew up in the projects friend is now running and will be the next States Attorney. Its only getting worse for us. Good Luck all. Policing is DEAD. If your stuck in the ghetto good luck and pray you never have to use force. Stay safe all.
Anonymous said...
Will some CPD/FOP official finally go on tv and let the public know that Tasers would not be viable options in this case or the Laquan McDonald shooting? You cannot use a Taser on people on PCP, People holding a knife, or people swinging an aluminum baseball bat. This would put the officers life in danger and in too close of a proximity to the offender. Asshole monday morning QB's and alderfools need to know Tasers are for corralling unarmed combative drunks,non-compliant asshats, and known police fighters. Also dispel the notion that a Taser can be deployed up a flight of stairs, onto a porch with sniper rifle accuracy from sixty feet. Shotgun with beanbag round may work as non-lethal option from a distance, but that costs money and Rahm won't get a ta$te from those companies, like he will from uncle terry hilliard at Tasercorp.
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Great post. People at home are delusional and uninformed. The media and our scumbag machine politicians are feeding them a line of BS made up of blatant lies.
Bill Cosby could counselor for all the victims of domestic violence.
The mayors detail P.O.d don't even wear vests or have regular duty pistols, most carry snubnose guns.
First they said he had
And then he hadn't
Then they said he did
And now he didn't
Next they'll say they weren't
Though, yes they were
Or they'll say they were
And yet they weren't
And, yes, I'm so confused
So what am I gonna do?
Oh yeah, I remember......
Chalkie
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