Contact Card vs ISR
We know that a lot of readers here aren't the police...or they're retired. They have little idea why the new "Investigatory Stop Report" is provoking such a level of discontent among the rank and file. Here's the main reason.
Exhibit A - the Contact Card:
Exhibit A - the Contact Card:
Simple enough - two-sided, maybe 3" by 5" big, a little over a dozen lines of info requested, some optional, some not, serial numbered in the upper left for easy tracking. Simple.
Exhibit B - the Investigatory Stop Report:
Exhibit B - the Investigatory Stop Report:
Holy crap - 9" by 11" huge, easily double the amount of information wanted and....what's that? Oh, that's only side one?
And that's only the paper version. You're supposed to do it electronically, but if the PDT is down, you need a supervisor's permission to do paper, then you have to go into the station once the system is back up and enter it into the electronic version. BOTH copies will be submitted to a supervisor who will ensure the paper matches the electronic version, and both will be signed, submitted and saved for eternity.
You also have to give receipts under circumstances that are pretty unclear at this point and the information forthcoming is conflicting. This whole system is being rolled out with ZERO training aside from a video. The classroom portion of this isn't even scheduled to begin until March.
And if you make errors.....Whoa Nellie. The sergeant is required to kick it back and prepare a separate report for each rejection outlining corrective action. And the ACLU is getting every single copy of the card - your submission, the sergeant rejection, your corrected version, and the final version, all to be subjected to a rigorous examination by the ACLU lawyers.
Little wonder activity has dropped off by extraordinary amounts.
You also have to give receipts under circumstances that are pretty unclear at this point and the information forthcoming is conflicting. This whole system is being rolled out with ZERO training aside from a video. The classroom portion of this isn't even scheduled to begin until March.
And if you make errors.....Whoa Nellie. The sergeant is required to kick it back and prepare a separate report for each rejection outlining corrective action. And the ACLU is getting every single copy of the card - your submission, the sergeant rejection, your corrected version, and the final version, all to be subjected to a rigorous examination by the ACLU lawyers.
Little wonder activity has dropped off by extraordinary amounts.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:35 AM
260 Comments:
Used to stop the mutts hangin out all day on the corner and now... never again.
I don't mind the new system. I'm never going to stop another shit-head again.
That's a productive use of CPD's time. And how much time does that take you off the street for paper work?? Ridiculous.
With this and when the body cameras come to more districts and when more officers are wearing them, recording their every move, it'll be GAME OVER.
I don't blame coppers I wouldn't be working in this environment either it's called self preservation, all these liberal police haters asked for this now they have it so SUCK IT....
This, particularly the 8 1/2" x 11" "ISR" monstrosity, just has to be the "brainstorm" of the same empty-holstered asshole(s) that came up with the "snitch boxes". The CPD is being managed by delusional imbeciles that wouldn't know a felon if he bit them in the ass.
STAY FETAL.
As long as your pension is heavy in Xerox, Hammermill, Epson, HP etc., what's the problem?
I'll admit it's a lot more involved than a CC. But you are a little off as to the rest of it.
What a complete joke.
There's a lot of confusion and conflicting accounts of when you need to to one. & Don't forget this is a law. Not just policy . So when you don't do it right you can be in violation of The law.
I'd wait till this is all ironed out before jumping in to doing these ..
You get paid to do the work the way the employers says it is to be done.
One of our great presidents said that "I know no method to secure the repeal of bad or obnoxious laws so effective as their stringent execution."
Stay safe, stay warm stay dry and collect the check. The money is the same.
It's ridiculous.
But can something like this ever be reversed? Doubt it. Paperwork likes to stay around even when it's not wanted.
So when crime skyrockets but stops plummet they'll just blame the police and claim it's a 'blue flu'. And things will continue...
What the ISR is is the Commie Democrats telling you, the police, that they do not in any way, shape of form trust you. They believe that all are rights-abusing racist in everything you do.
Who is the moron that passed this? Is it a statute? Or some no-sue deal?
This will be a disaster this summer. No one will really need CCL because no one is going to get stopped and searched. The AHs will be able to walk thru the ghetto with their guns with nothing to worry about losing them on a street stop.
I say the 500 homicide mark gets passed by 1 October.
You can thank the department for something they knew that was coming for some time but in true form dealt with it in the last minute. Just like your drivers license; ten years at counting, pension issues etc.....
If isn't repeated enough, this is complete BULLSHIT!
We have lost touch with reality & common sense
Worse than a basic job application. Not a chance I do one of these. Stay fetal.
My God, the insanity!
I am so glad to here that you are being trained so well by your highly professional leaders.
That reassures me that I will be kept safe by the CPD in this everchanging world.
/sarc
Our useless FLOP can't even put up a Holiday Calendar on their website that has the pay dates for overtime for the 2016 year. This admin at the FOP is really completely useless, just saying.....
Just a fucking travesty...
And the current gold stars can't fucking make
heads or tails out of these things and they're
huddled at the back bar trying to figure out a
way to hurt Policemen who refuse to do these
fucked up, clear as shit-mud things?
"You don't have enough of this activity."
"I'm trying to stay the fuck out of federal prison, boss."
"You're being insubordinate, Officer... Do these or else."
"You first, boss."
We can see it now...
ACLU sez:
"How dare you cops try to protect yourselves from US!"
And they will continue to drop off and crime will go up. I am or was by no means a dog ass. I did my job and in many instances went far and above was required. With twenty on, and the light getting brighter at the end of the tunnel I am done. About all you'll get from me is a parking ticket, and that's if it's assigned.
I'm waiting for them to tell us these extremely ridiculous things are for our own protection .... you know like they insist about dash cams, body cams, GPS etc.
Don't do these. Fuck VRI
W T F is this hot mess? Completely insane. No way I'd do any of that crap. Just drive around and wave at the fine, fine people in the neighborhood. Time for lunch... More driving and waving. Go home.
Forget this nonsense.
Stay fetal! Crime will go up and the great citizens of Chicago will get what they ask for.
yeah this and the verbal "suggestion" to not chase suspects down by Gresham means a lot of long boring shifts. Big shooting role up , lots of potential suspects fleeing scene and we hear " why you running .. we arent gonna chase you " lol . Sad sad state of affairs when you know putting your life on the line and tryin to help ,which is your job, with the knowledge that no one in the shiny tower has your back anymore is the new status quo .
Jesus, at my suburb department, ours is an 8x11 and one side. Very basic information and is basically a longer TSS. Why is school, employer, vehicle information, etc even on this...? The whole point of this is to be similar to the TSS from traffic stops for basically racial profiling purposes. This thing would easily take 10+ minutes to complete. Wtf is CPD thinking...?
Thanks for the visual SCC. Now I have a fuller understanding of the ISR. At this point all I can say is that this bit of ill thought out nonsense is going to hurt anyone and everyone. Your explaination of the complete submission of ALL copies of the ISR reinforces the idea that its intent is to harm PO's and supervisors alike.
The take away from all of this is: police will be targeted for EVERY action they take right OR wrong, intentional or not, and the submission of even a single ISR could spell disaster for a police officer.
Many have gone propassive in their daily tours but from what I read here many more still need to.
The old days are gone and will never return. Please, my brothers and sisters in blue, remember who depends on you and act accordingly. STAY FETAL!!! Don't let anyone win a ghetto lottery at your expense. God bless you all.
All that writing is giving Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. Duty Disability?
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
I don't work for Cpd no more and I am glad I don't with what's going on... But with stuff here, you are pretty much setting yourself up... Just think about, and you will see after you get sued
Saty Fetal my friends.
WTF?!
Only retired for 5 years, but seems like 50 after seeing this bullshit. All I can say is WOW, you poor guys are so fucked.
Well, I have a solution. It's the same solution when they started the contact card program way back when... Just continue to stop people and don't do them... Simple. I've been stopping people, sometimes dozens a day for the past 19 years and have not completed a single contact card. Still to this day no beefs, no complaints about it etc... Folks, this is no different than what you were doing... You're getting way too hung up on the aclu stuff... Guess what, the alcu and civil attornies have been foia our contact cards, arrests and TRR reports every single week for the past 9 years.. Yes, every week for the past nine years they have people who file the foia for all of that to look for lawsuits. That's how civil attornies sniff out cases.. They pull every single trr and review it for a case.. The same goes for every arrest report done.... This is nothing new
The new ISR is hilarious. Doing a careful job of filling it out could easily take up to 45 minutes. But for the man, data is more important than action of any kind.
I used to see a suspicious person I wanted to stop. I would think about why he was suspicious, how I could approach him safely, whether this would be "the one", what bad was happening in this City and how he might be a part of it. I would think about my family and how they would survive without me if this was going to go bad.
I used to see a suspicious person. Now I don't, not with some ACLU jackal lawyer waiting to pick at my corpse.
Don't get me wrong, I still run towards gun fire, answer my calls and quell a domestic when asked. But so much of my job used to be intervening BEFORE somebody did something. It just isn't any more. For the sake of my family, it cannot be.
"Employer's Name" / "Employer's Address"
HA!
"...the ACLU is getting every single copy of the card - your submission, the sergeant rejection, your corrected version, and the final version, all to be subjected to a rigorous examination by the ACLU lawyers..."
Better add another form to this mess -- a signed, witnessed release from the citizen authorizing the transfer of their personal information to the ACLU, which non-governmental organization has no more standing or authority than the coffee shop on the corner.
This could get interesting.
And yet there's still morons doing hundreds of them.
And when exactly did the ACLU become the Gestapo branch of the Department of Justice.I feel the John Birch Society should also get copies and maybe perhaps the Aryiian Brotherhood.
Police work is done, this what the people's want
Just like in any line of business, if you make the regulations so onerous that you aren't allowed to do your job, it is a message that society is telling you to stop doing your job. Or redefine it. And not a one of us has a fuck left to give. So I guess you get the kind of policing that you ask for. Or more like whack jobs riot for. Same difference.
Why would anyone in their right mind stop anyone after this? This puts coppers on the street at risk as other coppers have to be down on the station on reports. Good God!!!!
Has anyone asked why the police department is divulging arrestees and citizens information to the aclu? If I was a civilian and was locked up or stopped for something I wouldn't want these fuckers knowing my personal information..... Is the aclu even allowed to gain this information from private citizens????
I work for the Indianapolis Police, so let me get this straight. Every time you stop someone you have to fill out one of those reports?
You would have to be a fool to stop anyone. Can you say civil rights violations because that is exactly what they are looking to charge cops with.
This report is so stupid! Plus, it is anti-police work and you gonna get sued if the t's are not crossed and the i's are not dotted! Crime is going to go through the roof! Criminals will know this law and will abuse this to their advantage! Thanks to ACLU a shitbag, pro- criminal rights organization! Police work is dead! I tell everyone who listens to get armed and practice using your weapons!
And FOP's response... Cricket... Cricket... Cricket
Only in chicago. Most other departments are still using what they were using prior to the new year and just adding whether a receipt was given. If they did modify their forms, it certainly was not to this extent. The state law only applies to receipts and those are only given when you pat down a subject upon the public way. It did not require anyone to change their forms. Chicago, as usual, screwed this up.
By pandering to the aclu and other special interest groups, they give the illusion that there was something wrong before (there wasn't) and that with the new investigative stop report they have fixed it. There was nothing to fix except the willingness for any police officer to do proactive work, that was fixed all right.
Enjoy the new police forces across the USA that everyone has been begging for. You have it, now enjoy....
And yet these young go getters are falling over themselves still doing proactive police work. I take that back, a few old timers too, because "VRI man, I need VRI."
Some suburbs have been doing something resembling that for years. But it's one-sided, and it really just boils down to inc#, name, date, location, race, search(y or n), vehicle info
LOL at your version.
I will do everything to avoid this ISR even if it means the city goes to shit.
It will keep Flucker busy in the basement of his church reading all of these..
I did my first isr took me 1 hour to fill out.
I don't see nuffin.
Example 1 :the old way : you see a kid walking down the street who has a youthful appearance and it Midnight. You decide to stop to ask his age. He's 15. So you fill out a curfew report and take him home.
The new way : you fill out the curfew report, An ISR report is now required, and as a policemen, you're not putting anyone in the back of your car without at least patting them down, so now you have to give Junior a receipt for the pat down before taking him home!
My question is : the law says we have to justify why we patted someone down - we have to articulate why we thought he may have had dangerous weapon before we conduct the pat down.
Does the reason "I never out anyone (including victims of crimes) in the back of my car w/0 a pat down count as a legal reason to conduct a protective pat down ?? I have no reason to suspect he's got a weapon - but I don't know that?
Any lawyers want to chime in. I'm not putting anyone in the back of my car w/o a pat down. But just wondering what the legal minds have to say. ??
Thank you for illustrating how much easier my suburban version is
Stop being negative. Sure agg batts and homicides are up and activity is down. But the goal is accomplished, complaints are dropping. So in the end, this is a huge success. Unless your one of the dead ones or have an extra hole in you from a bullet, no one cares if it was a knife.
And given the fact that this one looks to take WAYYYY longer to fill out could turn what was an investigative stop in accord with the US Constitution and Supreme Court "rules" into an unlawful arrest. Once you detain someone for beyond an unreasonable amount of time you have arrested them. Constructively anyway...and what once took a minute or two to complete now could take 10? 15? 30 minutes? If I had a JD (and I do) I might think about waiting a while, FOIA these, interviewing some of the "victims" and filing a big ol lawsuit (class action of course!) naming each and every one of you who detained one of my clients for an "unreasonable" amount of time as defendants! So go ahead...keep on working kids! Thanks for the clients!!
Ah the ACLU the biggest police hating group in America I am sure they will a PO a fair shake(NOT). I still cannot understand why they were given access, they are not a government agency and if they have their way the criminals will be running the asylum and they will go back to suburbia and hide behind closed doors in the name of justice
are you fucking kidding me???
...not a cop
What's that you say? Zero training? Isn't that what got us to this point in the first place?
You're right. I'm not a cop. I was, for many years, a manager. That is one incredible piece of administrative bullshit right there. Any idea how much money that little beauty is costing the city? I'll give you a rough estimate. Say its a given that every officer is administratively competent. Hell, they probably have to be. It still would take a minimum of 15 min to get that information, probably 30 min just to fill it out. Maybe 45-60 if they're uncooperative. That's 1/2 of a $32/hr salary (16$) per form. That's $5 million of the salary cost going towards filling out this form and not policing. Put another way: 5000 hours of street patrol that isn't happening because of this form. Imagine if people had to have say,,,Identification...wait for it, Outrage in 5-4-3-2-1.
When I see dude on a corner, I don't see a banger or a dope dealer. Rather, I see someone minding their own business quietly preparing for their upcoming rap album, doctoral thesis, or national honors society meeting.
Hey 4 a few laugh's: Back in the day, when the power 2 b wanted activity, the Sgt's
would push 4 contact cards. We would go 4 coffee and grab the phone book by the pay
phone (a devise u had 2 put coin into 2 make call), we would then select names and
addresses and put a great narrative into. We never got any CR number's and r contact
with the street assholes,where cut down,because everyone know's it's always the bull
shit arrest that get's u in trouble! The Bosses needed this shit 2 make them look
good!
I'm still cracking up over the fact that even if you have a female you have to enter facial hair.
Yes I'm immature.
I'm not a police officer, but work for a firm that is connected to the ACLU in regards to legal opinions. I personally do not like many of the ACLU's opinions pertaining to law enforcement. Now what I'm about to say is going to cause some controversy; the ACLU is in the process of trying to start a pilot program with police officers unarmed. The idea is to try to be like London Police who are unarmed. These are the words of the ACLU so don't kill the messenger. The ACLU believes it's the only way of getting the community to trust the police and to partner with other agencies demonstrating a nonlethal approach to policing. When I was told they are going forward with the planning of disarming the police in Chicago, it has given me pause and concern for the safety of all of us. Lastly, the Obama administration has been informed of the program and was requested to have input into the nonlethal approach to policing in Chicago.
Way to go, CPD! You have given clever coppers a way to spend all their watch filling out paper work. Think of all the gas saved! No one goes anywhere or does anything except fill out forms!
How long before some bright officers discover how easy it would be to create a name for some invented homeless person and flood the system with bullshit?
Meant to keep Police from doing their jobs so crime will continue and folks will leave Chicago. Detroit here we come.
This nonsense puts proactive policing in the grave.
Wow! Doing my taxes on paper looks more simple. Just check on the box that you perceive all of your subjects to be white. Very important, if they're white then that stop is all right!
Answer your jobs, do the minimum for VRI if you wish before it is gone, and then go home. Nothing else. Any SGT that tells you to do some "Stops" can go do them himself. Get off any tact or gang team and push the blue and whites. Tact or gang is no longer a cool place to be. They are for the ignorant coppers that think because they are on tact or gang it makes them bad ass coppers. Well your wrong, it makes you a tool of the dept that is waiting to hang your ass. IPRA is now running the investigation if your in a shooting and they have an agenda to try to screw you. Think smart.
heard about this from 'someone who is close to me who is rank and file officer'. he told me, basically, this is one huge slap in the face for city cops to make discretionary decisions of who or whom they pull over. Now they are basically being given no amount of respect as to what decisions they make, tied up with monumental amounts of paperwork, in cars where many of the computers are on the fritz, and now this.
no wonder 'stay fetal' resounds so strongly .
stay fetal. go home at night to your families.
Three separate narratives is absolutely ridiculous. Don't get out of the car, and whatever you do, DO NOT touch anyone or you will have to do all three. It's a joke what policing has become and the only people that are going to suffer are the people that this was allegedly created for in order to protect. They need police to get out of their cars and do some work in these areas. It's not happening and many more people will die because of it. Thank the ACLU and these two-faced coward politicians.
Fortunately, I left the CPD 11 yrs ago. Feel sorry for the youngsters coming on and the seasoned vets waiting to go. This job did a total 180.
We are entering uncharted territory in the field of policing. No one knows where this will go, what it will bring or when. The hunters have become the hunted. The street officers, for the most part, have rightly chosen to fall back, reassess and await developments.
The bosses are scared shitless on two fronts, of how low it's going to go because of officers' fetality, and how to correctly fill out/submit/correct these ISRs because they have no training on it either.
A chill wind has swept through the police dept since January 1, paralyzing street operations, and the increase in shootings is only the beginning. Again, no one knows how high the increase will go, and what other categories of crime will also skyrocket.
And who pays? The long-suffering working tax payer. But by and large, Chicagoans are very liberal, they probably feel the police needed a check of some kind, they buy a lot of the lamestream liberal bias media puke, and the politicians are just listening to their constituents instead of doing what's right for once.
Bottom line, the liberals, the politicians, the police haters, the ACLU, McCarthy and Rahm, they own this disaster.
There is no going back either. Let us pretend for a moment that the popular mood should suddenly shift to a tough stance on crime and punishment, and the police are given free rein. 1960s style. First, will you find any police left on the job who can step up and police like that? And second, history has proven that even if you the copper have official sanction to be aggressive again, the political mood can suddenly shift 20 years later, and some liberal commie organization will start dredging up old matters on behalf of offenders who are now suddenly victims, and you the formerly aggressive officer fighting the good fight and doing what was necessary will suddenly have to answer for what is by now ancient history.
On the plus side, we still got a job... and they don't literally kick us in the nuts every day at roll call, yet.
I still have a pile of the Orange misc x cards in my cruiser. I use them daily for scratch paper.
This is crazy. It is obvious all an ISR is, is a Cover Thine Holy Ass for politicians. Each line, each check off box is something to be used to screw over the cop on the street. You know very well
BLM Potentates will dispute every entry and since the political hacks will take their side the cop is totally screwed, and the ACLU will use the original uncorrected ISR as a tool to destroy any officer they chose. What will happen when a mass murder goes down with no police because they are busy completing their ISR's, yup, you guessed it.
Holy cow! As just a flyer into O'Hare, I was scared silly when I read the cops have no guns and are told to run and hide when there's trouble.
With this kind of paperwork boondoggle, there isn't going to be any kind of brake on street criminals.
I guess Stop and Frisk is gone.
Retired, and have heard from many active officers that activity is down. Does anyone have figures? The only figures I have seen show a very slight difference, not a significant number.
Jesus! It's like writing an incident report for a stop! And the rest of the bureaucratic process is insane (dual records, supervisors writing up reject reports, etc.). Yet it won't solve ANY of CPD's problems. Where can I sign up for these cushy, overpaid, makework staff jobs?
Retired now for two years, and it was messed up then, but what my brothers and sisters have to deal with presently is shameful. I could not believe that we have to send street stop information to the ACLU. This is the organization that have in their office the Bill of Rights hanging on the wall minus the 2nd amendment. The only option we have left is to defend ourselves with deadly force when justified. If I was told by some stupid boss to use the taser, other then using deadly force; this ex-ranger would refuse to use the taser because you expose yourself to liabilities. Thus, the use of deadly force is much more safer then using the taser. P.S. I finally convinced most family members to move out of this fuck-up state.
They big brains who run the department did something similar to the curfew report (only paper at that time) some years ago. Then wondered why enforcement dropped. And in a town where some high schools have a 50% drop out rate the police department and Board of Ed stepped away from truancy enforcement. The people running this city and the schools should be ashamed.
Too bad there'll still be plenty of dummies lining up to do these things so they can kiss asses to get on some bullshit tact team or area gig because they're afraid of pushing a beat car. The simpletons don't realize what they're getting into.
I am retired and maybe out of the loop of real police work as it is now but I recall filling in numerous reports depending on the incident. Stopping subjects on the street that fit the description of a flash message on a felony or other crime that just occurred was just picking up subjects or stopping vehicles at a rapid pace until we found the right ones or they made good their escape.
Seems counter productive that you have to spend more time filling out paper work on negative stops when it used to be just an apology. Towards the end of my so called career I did notice that more time was spent in the station on arrests then we used to do. We did a simple battery arrest or misdemeanor arrest in 30 minutes and were clear and back out on the street A felony arrest without ASA approval was about the same. Felony arrest with ASA approval, you were done for the day. Battery to P.O. and resisting were avoided as much as possible along with IODs. If they had to be done they were. More paper work means less time on the street means more crime on the street. ACLU and Libtards don't win. More crime means they lose. Stay fetal,
And your FOP did nothing to oppose this legislation.
I would not make a single stop.
I feel for the older folks and o who live in shit neighborhoods that keep clean lawns and hate the drug dealers on the block. Our hands are tied. We can do even less about it now. This new order does nothing but help the gang bangers and drug dealing assholes of these neighborhoods. But Im sure all these white kids marching with the paid protesters on Michigan ave have no clue whats going on in these neighborhoods. It all the fault of the boogie men police. stay safe
So do your job and the paperwork that goes with it, then you will make less mistakes because of rushing to ge to one crime scene after another. The victims will just have to wait. - a citizen
Any idea how much money that little beauty is costing the city? I'll give you a rough estimate. Say its a given that every officer is administratively competent. Hell, they probably have to be. It still would take a minimum of 15 min to get that information, probably 30 min just to fill it out. Maybe 45-60 if they're uncooperative. That's 1/2 of a $32/hr salary (16$) per form. That's $5 million of the salary cost going towards filling out this form and not policing.
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the guy going around roll calls says the AVERAGE time to fill one out is pegged at 25-to-45 minutes depending on how fast you can type, and that's PER REPORT.....one per customer you know,
Keep it "fetal" my fellas in azul...
http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20160113/loop/chicago-police-street-stops-decrease-dramatically-amid-sinking-morale
That reassures me that I will be kept safe by the CPD in this everchanging world.
/sarc
1/13/2016 02:28:00 AM
No body can keep any body 'safe'.
The most any body can do is delay the inevitable.
Sooner, or later, my now will meet your now.
The best one can do is to do as you will in the mean time.
I, for one, don't do paperwork.
Chalkie
Blogger The Keesing Bandit said...
All that writing is giving Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. Duty Disability?
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
1/13/2016 05:18:00 AM
Only if you use your third arm.
Not a cop, but I feel sorry for you men & women of the CPD and all the BS you have to put up with.
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I suggest getting the La Grou trucks ready by May because the morgue will be overloaded.
I have no reason to suspect he's got a weapon - but I don't know that?
Any lawyers want to chime in. I'm not putting anyone in the back of my car w/o a pat down. But just wondering what the legal minds have to say. ??
1/13/2016 07:40:00 AM
Because you don't know that he does not, until you prove that he does not.
Unfourtunately, someone will get hurt because they won't put hands on somebody in fear of not filling one out. Remember, change location to the station to complete ISR. It's the city's time. Not ours. Officer safety is number one priority.
And...you just KNOW that the powers-that-be who ordered this shit would do such a routine task at their jobs - NOT!
Fuck this city.
--No Cop Here
Lastly, the Obama administration has been informed of the program and was requested to have input into the nonlethal approach to policing in Chicago.
1/13/2016 08:47:00 AM
I pay them no mind.
Something, perhaps, to ponder.
Chalkie
Have you guys loooked up how many are being done a day? There are plenty of officers doing these!! Why?? There's one guy who appears 5 times in a span of couple of days. This is why they screw with us! We don't stick together!
And given the fact that this one looks to take WAYYYY longer to fill out could turn what was an investigative stop in accord with the US Constitution and Supreme Court "rules" into an unlawful arrest. Once you detain someone for beyond an unreasonable amount of time you have arrested them. Constructively anyway...and what once took a minute or two to complete now could take 10? 15? 30 minutes? If I had a JD (and I do) I might think about waiting a while, FOIA these, interviewing some of the "victims" and filing a big ol lawsuit (class action of course!) naming each and every one of you who detained one of my clients for an "unreasonable" amount of time as defendants! So go ahead...keep on working kids! Thanks for the clients!!
1/13/2016 08:02:00 AM
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Go online and read our order counselor....directives.chicagopolice.org
Says the second you have no more 'reasonable suspicion' the person must be released, regardless of if your paperwork is done or not. So, that being said, I certainly hope MOST of these cards are John/Jane Doe, as you can't keep them to ask their name.
I am a non-lawyer spokesperson, in some states this may be considered lawyer advertising; the hiring of a lawyer is a serious one, and should not be done by advertising alone. I may or may not have more expertise than anyone else in my field.
With this kind of paperwork boondoggle, there isn't going to be any kind of brake on street criminals.
I guess Stop and Frisk is gone.
1/13/2016 10:04:00 AM
Well, there's always my 'brake', full stop.
Which can be quite frisky, while it lasts.
Chalkie
No training just watch a video and we will stand behind you as we kick you out the door for not filling the form out right. Most of the gold braided these days are just looking out for their next promotion. Officer safety is the least of their worries from behind a desk at 35th street. Political puppets need to grow some balls. Someone needs to stand up for the officers on the street. Sorry Im just disgusted that we are being pushed around by make believe reverends and politicians who would never survive doing the job of a police officer.
I'm an old retired guy but I remember (yes I still remember) at times when we were making out contact cards emergency calls would come in. Maybe person shot, sometimes a 10-1. We would drop everything and go to the call. I guess that's out now. People can get hurt with this. You guys stay safe. I would still go to the 10-1.
If this crap stands, I believe the only equipment we will need, 2 years from now, is a pen, and crime scene tape.
Good job, folks (people)! Keep up the good work! There's not a damn thing they can do about it.
https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20160113/loop/chicago-police-street-stops-decrease-dramatically-amid-sinking-morale
I did one in 20 seconds. Wrote REFUSED...
In the words of Drowning Pool:
"Let the bodies hit the floor."
You also have to give receipts under circumstances that are pretty unclear at this point and the information forthcoming is conflicting.
not so.
if you search some one who you think has a weapon, you do the ISR and give them a receipt.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm not a police officer, but work for a firm that is connected to the ACLU in regards to legal opinions. I personally do not like many of the ACLU's opinions pertaining to law enforcement. Now what I'm about to say is going to cause some controversy; the ACLU is in the process of trying to start a pilot program with police officers unarmed. The idea is to try to be like London Police who are unarmed. These are the words of the ACLU so don't kill the messenger. The ACLU believes it's the only way of getting the community to trust the police and to partner with other agencies demonstrating a nonlethal approach to policing. When I was told they are going forward with the planning of disarming the police in Chicago, it has given me pause and concern for the safety of all of us. Lastly, the Obama administration has been informed of the program and was requested to have input into the nonlethal approach to policing in Chicago.
1/13/2016 08:47:00 AM
WTF is this, someone better put a stop to this bullshit. No, some asshole tells me not to be armed, well I'm going to armed. Who is going to arrest me, the ACLU.
Example 1 :the old way : you see a kid walking down the street who has a youthful appearance and it Midnight. You decide to stop to ask his age. He's 15. So you fill out a curfew report and take him home.
The new way : you fill out the curfew report, An ISR report is now required, and as a policemen, you're not putting anyone in the back of your car without at least patting them down, so now you have to give Junior a receipt for the pat down before taking him home!
My question is : the law says we have to justify why we patted someone down - we have to articulate why we thought he may have had dangerous weapon before we conduct the pat down.
Does the reason "I never out anyone (including victims of crimes) in the back of my car w/0 a pat down count as a legal reason to conduct a protective pat down ?? I have no reason to suspect he's got a weapon - but I don't know that?
Any lawyers want to chime in. I'm not putting anyone in the back of my car w/o a pat down. But just wondering what the legal minds have to say. ??
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actually a violation of curfew would allow you to perform a custodial search on the juvenile before putting them in the back of your car. the juvie would be in violation of the mcc for curfew, and they are in your custody until a parent is found. it's the same as for a drinker or pisser, no patdown needed, just a custodial search. the isr does not ask if you did a custodial search, just asks if you did a patdown for weapons.
Don't let any boss or supervisor just tell you that this is just a longer version of something you did before and we are just articulating it better. It is to an extent but it is designed to be "more easily used against you" down the line in either a criminal or civil proceeding. There are more items put into these forms creating a greater chance for error on your part so when you are on trial they have more things to point to and use against you.
You have all been warned.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Well, I have a solution. It's the same solution when they started the contact card program way back when... Just continue to stop people and don't do them... Simple. I've been stopping people, sometimes dozens a day for the past 19 years and have not completed a single contact card. Still to this day no beefs, no complaints about it etc... Folks, this is no different than what you were doing... You're getting way too hung up on the aclu stuff... Guess what, the alcu and civil attornies have been foia our contact cards, arrests and TRR reports every single week for the past 9 years.. Yes, every week for the past nine years they have people who file the foia for all of that to look for lawsuits. That's how civil attornies sniff out cases.. They pull every single trr and review it for a case.. The same goes for every arrest report done.... This is nothing new
1/13/2016 05:28:00 AM
Did you ever hear of this little invention called a camera? You can risk your job and freedom to stop these muts but I'm going to stay fetal and retire with my pension intact.
Heard a story about the aclu contacting people who have been the subject of an ISR. The aclu asked the subject how he was treated by the CPD during the stop. Be very careful boys and girls. They're looking for their sacrificial lamb.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm not a police officer, but work for a firm that is connected to the ACLU in regards to legal opinions....
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Wow, it doesn't surprise me. I lived in London and recall the coppers being unarmed. They don't have the violent element we have in Chicago and other American urban environments. For one, Brits are smaller and the bar fights are actually comical. There's a lot of yelling and shoving, maybe wrestling or the occasional battery, but they don't have the volume of violent people. Of course, I can't say what that is because the truth isn't well-received. Anyways, not to mention they've been purged of guns. Imagine if the U.S. Didn't step in during WWII. They'd be sprechen sie deutsch like a mofo. America is lucky for our land seperation from border conflicts that most other countries are subjected to. However, with modern travel, international terrorist can rather easily enjoy freedom of movement, assisted by Obama's immigration policies. The U.K. has a similar problem, by way of their EU partners, namely Germany, but also Greece and Italy.
So now U.K. Police have expanded firearms training and carry as opposed to previous years. This is no time for us to put our arms down, civilians or police. The ACLU and liberals will be the death of this country. They don't live in reality. Everything is a fantastical scenario that they have the luxury of hour/days-long deliberations when officers had a fraction of a second. The people we have here are incredibly violent.
Look, I know you have a job and it sounds like you're not the above-described liberal moron, so I say thanks for the info and seein through the bullshit. I'm not going to suggest a career change but damn, that's gotta be a difficult job.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I work for the Indianapolis Police, so let me get this straight. Every time you stop someone you have to fill out one of those reports?
1/13/2016 06:31:00 AM
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Yeah bro, it's ridiculous. You don't have to if its just for driving offense and you didn't have them exit their vehicle/pat them down. Everything else you have to, with the exception of an on-view arrest (see dude shooting a gun or selling dope).
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Well, I have a solution. It's the same solution when they started the contact card program way back when... Just continue to stop people and don't do them... Simple. I've been stopping people, sometimes dozens a day for the past 19 years and have not completed a single contact card. Still to this day no beefs, no complaints about it etc... Folks, this is no different than what you were doing... You're getting way too hung up on the aclu stuff... Guess what, the alcu and civil attornies have been foia our contact cards, arrests and TRR reports every single week for the past 9 years.. Yes, every week for the past nine years they have people who file the foia for all of that to look for lawsuits. That's how civil attornies sniff out cases.. They pull every single trr and review it for a case.. The same goes for every arrest report done.... This is nothing new
1/13/2016 05:28:00 AM
You my friend, are dumb. Do you know about the deal the city signed with the devil. Well here it is
http://www.aclu-il.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/2015-08-06-Investigatory-Stop-and-Protective-Pat-Down-Settlement-Agreeme....pdf
What happens when body cameras come out. And they will inevitably be in every district. Are you going to just not do them then? All of these stops you say you do, on camera now, and no ISR or receipt? You may not have been sued yet, but u will. Stop doing anything but calls. This is not the "same old huff and puff". Coppers are getting stripped left and right. There's hundreds of them at callback. Have you ever seen the ACLU webpage? There are links all over it for citizen complaints, intended to jam up police. And to 7:59am, you've obviously never worked the street. Aside all that, THIS bothered me. Read 8:47am's comment. Now THAT, if true, is bad. We might as well leave the policing to the Guardian Angels. SCC please do a post on that subject. De-arming the police, here, would be a recipe for disaster. The pieces of the larger agenda puzzle fit. With such talk from the White House all the way down to an inside tip from an aclu insider on this blog. It all fits. Stay fetal.
I can't seem to find the section that contains the question "Does your dog bite?"
More paper = Less Imteraction and that's what's important.
No better way to be part of a lawsuit and be advised,
the DOJ is watching and IPRA is on a witch hunt too.
Furthermore, you are going to be treated like the criminal element when you get overly zealous (pro-active) with your arrest and complaint activity, past and present.
You've been handed your Dept Warning.
So use your head and don't get involved with the Obama Admin War on Police Program.
BTW...Who is Sgt. Whoa Nellie that signs these ISR's ?
Merit?
The ACLU is a joke, why are they entitled to this info? White power organizations should also be involved and get a copy of all ISR and arrests, no difference between the two. At least the ACLU will be responsible for 700 plus murders this year, so the people they pretend to care about is the same people they will get killed, are they really that stupid over there
OT --
Every day now, from every country in Europe, these stories --
Firearm sales in Austria are up 350% due to 'unease' over increasing number of migrants... months after dealers warned they had virtually sold out of shotguns
* Gun sales in the tiny Alpine country have quadrupled since last year
* The industry claims this is due to migrant fears following the Paris attacks
* November and December showed huge demands for non lethal weapons
* Dealers say Tasers, pepper spray and blank-firing guns are in demand
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3397281/Firearm-sales-Austria-350-unease-increasing-number-migrants-months-dealers-warned-virtually-sold-shotguns.html
Denmark becomes the latest country to report surge in women being groped by groups of migrants as locals say Syrians 'go nuts if they see a girl'
* One town has suffered problems since asylum camp opened in November
* Officials say women 'feel unsafe on the streets' after being accosted
* Victims have also been targeted in nightclubs in two other Danish towns
* One local said: 'If they see a girl, they go nuts. They simply can't handle it'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3397264/Denmark-latest-country-report-surge-women-groped-groups-migrants-locals-say-Syrians-nuts-girl.html
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm still cracking up over the fact that even if you have a female you have to enter facial hair.
Yes I'm immature.
You laugh but I've seen some females with heavier beards and mustaches than a lot of guys.
This is a ridiculous form. I'm just a citizen, but even I can see that. Sorry you have to put up with this bull, officers. Know that there are people out here who support you but don't know how to make their voice heard too.
And it all started with a professor who was angry the police asked for ID after responding to a burglar alarm at his residence. Remember Obama immediately criticized the police. Now known as beer gate. There are no words strong enough to illustrate my anger at how this began and has ended up.
The fact that ANOVS will now require a ISR is a load of shit. The order states that an ISR is not required to be done when an ANOV is issued, but the E-learning video states otherwise. They contradict each other. But who in the right mind is just going to write someone an ANOV without doing a protective pat-down. This whole ISR is redundant. Its time consuming and its making all officers think twice about being pro-active. Crime will sky rocket, but on the plus side CR's will be down because no one will be doing anything to interfere with these free roaming felons.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Any idea how much money that little beauty is costing the city? I'll give you a rough estimate. Say its a given that every officer is administratively competent. Hell, they probably have to be. It still would take a minimum of 15 min to get that information, probably 30 min just to fill it out. Maybe 45-60 if they're uncooperative. That's 1/2 of a $32/hr salary (16$) per form. That's $5 million of the salary cost going towards filling out this form and not policing.
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the guy going around roll calls says the AVERAGE time to fill one out is pegged at 25-to-45 minutes depending on how fast you can type, and that's PER REPORT.....one per customer you know,
1/13/2016 11:19:00 AM
And Rahm continues to laugh up his sleeve about the
imperial screw-job he's giving CPD and the tax payers
by acting like a petulant child and refusing to hire?
Just wait until the annual warm weather kill-a-thon
Chicago is famous for...
You got half a district down on these God-Forsaken things
and you have the usual native populations of shit-birds doing
the fool...
You also have roving scouts from the armed wing of
the catered-to-constituency fleeing their "over-policed"
tribal lands and popping up where the Police aren't...
Well... You know the rest.
Perhaps the neighborhoods robbed of their Police presence
by Rahm should turn mean and angry like back in the 1950's
and 60's?
Every unfamiliar m/fer caught shaking a door, trying a window
or orbiting the same block "looking for my friend, Joe..." should
perhaps be "profiled" by members of a concerned citizenry group?
Just call the Police from a burner phone as to where the
pick-up can be made...
We personally have no problem with good people
protecting themselves from outrages facilitated by
enabling organizations like the ACLU and the current
crop of gold star cowards beholden to elected officialdom.
Political Control...
That is why you will never see a competent CPD Superintendent
with full control of the department budget, hiring and training and
the independence to run the department without interference from
City Hall.
Why... Next thing you know, the Cops will be having free rein
to go after people like elected officials, news reporters and
others such when they run afoul of the law...
No amount of mayoral underling phone calls to save a dirty ass.
No retaliation against a Cop for doing his job.
Oh well...
As it is, City Hall ceded control of CPD to the ACLU...
This experiment promises to be really interesting.
Police like you have no friends.
Retired now for two years, and it was messed up then, but what my brothers and sisters have to deal with presently is shameful. I could not believe that we have to send street stop information to the ACLU. This is the organization that have in their office the Bill of Rights hanging on the wall minus the 2nd amendment. The only option we have left is to defend ourselves with deadly force when justified. If I was told by some stupid boss to use the taser, other then using deadly force; this ex-ranger would refuse to use the taser because you expose yourself to liabilities. Thus, the use of deadly force is much more safer then using the taser. P.S. I finally convinced most family members to move out of this fuck-up state.
agreed......left the state with other family members; there's only one more left, and that person should be out of there within a year or so....
Does the reason "I never out anyone (including victims of crimes) in the back of my car w/0 a pat down count as a legal reason to conduct a protective pat down ?? I have no reason to suspect he's got a weapon - but I don't know that?
Any lawyers want to chime in. I'm not putting anyone in the back of my car w/o a pat down. But just wondering what the legal minds have to say. ??
1/13/2016 07:40:00 AM
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Glad to hear that you would never put anyone into the back of your car that has not had at least a pat down.
Not glad that you feel the need to put anyone into the back of your car. Ever here of the saying, "stay fetal"?
Can I get a cta check?
I didn't want to do any of these, but had a disturbance call that turned into an arrest. We had to do one. Took 15 minutes but I'm wondering how you can get out of it in an arrest situation? Never planned on doing one, but was ordered to by a sgt on scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP_vJfg2VQ0
We have the Power JHL feat Lisa Simpson
Well, I have a solution. It's the same solution when they started the contact card program way back when... Just continue to stop people and don't do them... Simple. I've been stopping people, sometimes dozens a day for the past 19 years and have not completed a single contact card. Still to this day no beefs, no complaints about it etc... Folks, this is no different than what you were doing... You're getting way too hung up on the aclu stuff... Guess what, the alcu and civil attornies have been foia our contact cards, arrests and TRR reports every single week for the past 9 years.. Yes, every week for the past nine years they have people who file the foia for all of that to look for lawsuits. That's how civil attornies sniff out cases.. They pull every single trr and review it for a case.. The same goes for every arrest report done.... This is nothing new
1/13/2016 05:28:00 AM
These forms are required by state law every time you stop someone. Contact cards were not. You are now breaking the law if you do not do it.
The whole watch was down doing one the other day! Dispatcher's were Pissed! Sorry ladies, go into a backlog!
el chopopps should come to Chicago and escape he would never stopped or if he was he could then sue and make more millions are any illegal been arrested yet or doesn't anyone care The doj only wants coppers Immigration does't want illegas.reverunds don't want you to stop young black man carrying gun he only on his way to increase the murders or shooting do you have to call and tied up another car if the person has no knowledge of English which is spoken here.
Some words of wisdom that somehow may apply to this whole situation, spoken by former Oakland Raiders coach John Madden. "Don't worry about the horse being blind, just keep loadin the wagon."
Conceal carry has 3 kills year to date. Chicago police all of last year had 5? Let that sink in media assholes and liberal hacks.
Hey 4 a few laugh's: Back in the day, when the power 2 b wanted activity, the Sgt's
would push 4 contact cards. We would go 4 coffee and grab the phone book by the pay
phone (a devise u had 2 put coin into 2 make call), we would then select names and
addresses and put a great narrative into. We never got any CR number's and r contact
with the street assholes,where cut down,because everyone know's it's always the bull
shit arrest that get's u in trouble! The Bosses needed this shit 2 make them look
good!
1/13/2016 08:34:00 AM
Bullshit. Contact cards as activity started in the cellphone era. "Back in the day", "phonebooking" was how we got our curfews.
Int. Supt Escalante says that the decrease in filling out ISR's as opposed to contact cards has nothing to do with the increase in crime, and that officers just need to get accustomed to them. Well, you cant get accustomed to anything when you get conflicting advice. The videos, as opposed to the speakers at roll call, as opposed to emailing the new Legal Affairs email address, your supervisors, etc.
P.S. Checked with a friend in the Integrity unit that is supposed to handle the kickbacks, the rejected ones? Only 2 kickbacks citywide, both in 022.
Eastbound Skyway shut down due to car-to-car shooting. Driver killed, apparently one other injured.
This s__t getting more spectacular, having greater effects upon public and thus harder to ignore...
...and the police are not going to get blamed for it and have it stick among ordinary citizens, either -- just by the usual subjects, revs like Sharpton who owe $5 mil in back taxes and are still criss-crossing the country on jets, headed anywhere trouble may be stirred up among the bullhorners and the blm crowd...
"Little bit of a frustrating start to the year," says DeEscalante. He mentions lack of co-operation from victims and witnesses, giving out with no info or false info. Also says that ofc. are very uncertain of how to proceed on almost anything anymore...after working through that unbelievable time-wasting stinker of an ISR, you can see why. What did someone say here? Time wasted while held down puzzling over these and submitting and re-submitting them will soak up at least 5000 hours of what used to be effective street patrol...
...and on top of that, the mutts yelling "Where was you at?"
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This is a simple fix. DO NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Give Rahm that piece of Shit what he wants, stop doing any type of proactive police service. You have got to be out of your mind to get yourself jammed up because you violate some shit heads civil rights. This is the only job that I know where you will get fired, and probably go to jail for doing your job. You will not get fired for doing nothing. Show up to roll call get your coffee take your lunch and avoid contact with any and all civilians at all costs. Go home to your family tonight and every night. Just let the animals keep killing each other then write a case report and forward it to the dicks. Make sure you take your time and do all the reports perfectly. Again I cannot stress enough to you DO NOT Do ANYTHING for these assholes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"I'm still cracking up over the fact that even if you have a female you have to enter facial hair.
"Yes I'm immature."
1/13/2016 08:44:00 AM
Police hunt 400-pound bearded female stabber
Unusual fugitive: San Diego police in hot pursuit of an obese, hairy woman who stabbed a man in the neck
12/25/2015, 11:45 AM
"San Diego police on late Thursday night were embroiled in an all out search to try and locate an obese woman, who weighs around 400 pounds (over 180 kilograms), and sports a fashionable beard.
"She is suspected of stabbing a man on Wednesday night at 7:40 p.m. local time, in the city's East Village neigborhood...the victim, a 39-year-old whose identity has not been published, approached a group of people asking for a cigarette.
"At that moment, the obese bearded woman tottered up to him [and] stabbed the man on the left side of his neck, before fleeing the scene as fast as a 400-pound person humanly can.
"The stunned victim was evacuated to a local hospital and given medical treatment for his non-life-threatening wounds.
"Police describe the attacker they are searching for as a white woman around 400 pounds in weight, wearing a white T-shirt and jeans. The officers then took the pains to incredulously note she is "with a beard."
http://tinyurl.com/j7mvd9w
So there.
This ISR system is set up to facilitate ACLU civil rights investigations, but how is the information accessed for CPD criminal investigations? Chilling as a patrol officer to know these are now the same things. Keep up the good work lads!
Back in the day a contact card was a great investigative tool usually filed out when some one was kinky and perhaps somewhere he shouldn't be for no reason. You had no grounds for a pinch, so you filed out a contact card, it went into a file and when the dicks had a case in the area with no known's they look through the file, and sometimes came up with a good pinch, same for the tact guys(until drinking on the public was became a tact pinch). Then some idiot came up with the idea of them being activity(someone who never did one and had no idea what they were for I may add) Thus a great tool was ruined and its bastard child is this form that THE ACLU has access to?? DO NOT DO THEM IF YOU HAVE A BRAIN IN YOUR HEAD THE ACLU IS NOT YOUR FRIEND neither is the idiot who wants you to fill them out
Retired Sgt 10 years now
Anonymous said...
I'm not a police officer, but work for a firm that is connected to the ACLU in regards to legal opinions. I personally do not like many of the ACLU's opinions pertaining to law enforcement. Now what I'm about to say is going to cause some controversy; the ACLU is in the process of trying to start a pilot program with police officers unarmed. The idea is to try to be like London Police who are unarmed. These are the words of the ACLU so don't kill the messenger. The ACLU believes it's the only way of getting the community to trust the police and to partner with other agencies demonstrating a nonlethal approach to policing. When I was told they are going forward with the planning of disarming the police in Chicago, it has given me pause and concern for the safety of all of us. Lastly, the Obama administration has been informed of the program and was requested to have input into the nonlethal approach to policing in Chicago.
1/13/2016 08:47:00 AM
There is a huge difference between London and Chicago. In Chicago, street gangs control the street and are heavily armed by the Sinola Cartel. Not true for London. Firearms are not common in London. Two completely different cities and countries. How can anyone of rationale thought have officers without firearms in a city with a horrible violent crime rate? This will be the line that forces officers to take a hard stand and say no.
25 years on the job and remaining fetal for the next four years and a day.
Don't worry so much about the order, comply with the law. These two.
(720 ILCS 5/33-3) (from Ch. 38, par. 33-3)
Sec. 33-3. Official misconduct.
(a) A public officer or employee or special government agent commits misconduct when, in his official capacity or capacity as a special government agent, he or she commits any of the following acts:
(1) Intentionally or recklessly fails to perform any
mandatory duty as required by law; or
(2) Knowingly performs an act which he knows he is
forbidden by law to perform; or
(3) With intent to obtain a personal advantage for
himself or another, he performs an act in excess of his lawful authority; or
(4) Solicits or knowingly accepts for the performance
of any act a fee or reward which he knows is not authorized by law.
(b) An employee of a law enforcement agency commits misconduct when he or she knowingly uses or communicates, directly or indirectly, information acquired in the course of employment, with the intent to obstruct, impede, or prevent the investigation, apprehension, or prosecution of any criminal offense or person. Nothing in this subsection (b) shall be construed to impose liability for communicating to a confidential resource, who is participating or aiding law enforcement, in an ongoing investigation.
(c) A public officer or employee or special government agent convicted of violating any provision of this Section forfeits his or her office or employment or position as a special government agent. In addition, he or she commits a Class 3 felony.
(d) For purposes of this Section, "special government agent" has the meaning ascribed to it in subsection (l) of Section 4A-101 of the Illinois Governmental Ethics Act.
(Source: P.A. 98-867, eff. 1-1-15.)
(725 ILCS 5/107-14) (from Ch. 38, par. 107-14)
Sec. 107-14. Temporary questioning without arrest.
(a) A peace officer, after having identified himself as a peace officer, may stop any person in a public place for a reasonable period of time when the officer reasonably infers from the circumstances that the person is committing, is about to commit or has committed an offense as defined in Section 102-15 of this Code, and may demand the name and address of the person and an explanation of his actions. Such detention and temporary questioning will be conducted in the vicinity of where the person was stopped.
(b) Upon completion of any stop under subsection (a) involving a frisk or search, and unless impractical, impossible, or under exigent circumstances, the officer shall provide the person with a stop receipt which provides the reason for the stop and contains the officer's name and badge number. This subsection (b) does not apply to searches or inspections for compliance with the Fish and Aquatic Life Code, the Wildlife Code, the Herptiles-Herps Act, or searches or inspections for routine security screenings at facilities or events. For the purposes of this subsection (b), "badge" means an officer's department issued identification number associated with his or her position as a police officer with that department.
OT: so far on this Arctic-like Wednesday we have eight shot, two dead and two of the remaining six sustained head shots. I'm assuming they're playing the "knock knock," "who's there?" Game with heaven or hell.
No CPD shootings though, thanks God. This summer is going to be a wild one.
Also OT. I wonder, are shootings really less today that the 70s and 90s or is it just that emergency medicine and first responders become more advanced?
If any of you are doing this to satisfy the ALCU, then you are either fucking nuts or really trying to keep that spot.
To the poster who asked about putting subjects in their backseat. There is no need to complete an ISR if you are giving a victim/citizen a ride even if a pat down is conducted. There is an option for that pat down pat that says consensual, so nothing has to be done. Read the order, keep it in your bag, for the love of Christ don't let this screw you. Give them what they want, ZERO's!!!!!
Curious, but actual question...
A person who comes to the desk for a report pops a warrant. Do we need to do an ISR? We didn't stop him...
What if the person doesn't want to wait and answer questions and just walks away?
I type with my booger finger so how long will it take me?
Looks like a bunch of extra BS paperwork for the poor officer to complete... all because of BLM movement
Oh, Fuck That
Yes this report is ridiculous. However, we have to admit, we are partially responsible. Did you read some of the cards that ACLU had access to? Stops with either no reasonable suspicion or not articulated in narrative. Also, clearly some officers don't know or care about the limitations of a Terry stop and rules regarding Pat downs. You cant jump out of a car, grab someone and go through their pockets. This kind of shit has a direct impact on the crap we are going through now. If we are going to call out the shady politicians, suspect 'activists' and bird brains coming up with some of this stuff, we MUST acknowledge some of our brothers/sisters in blue are to blame for this as well.
I'm not a police officer, but work for a firm that is connected to the ACLU in regards to legal opinions. I personally do not like many of the ACLU's opinions pertaining to law enforcement. Now what I'm about to say is going to cause some controversy; the ACLU is in the process of trying to start a pilot program with police officers unarmed. The idea is to try to be like London Police who are unarmed. These are the words of the ACLU so don't kill the messenger. The ACLU believes it's the only way of getting the community to trust the police and to partner with other agencies demonstrating a nonlethal approach to policing. When I was told they are going forward with the planning of disarming the police in Chicago, it has given me pause and concern for the safety of all of us. Lastly, the Obama administration has been informed of the program and was requested to have input into the nonlethal approach to policing in Chicago.
1/13/2016 08:47:00 AM
Nice troll.
OT..Wtf is going on in 025? Blanket CR on all supervisors at a retirement party for a fight started by a prick that should have been fired a long time ago! Hope you get fired JM!
Does anyone from the range or training division have to fill this form out?
SCC you made the news....Ch 5
I'm not a police officer, but work for a firm that is connected to the ACLU in regards to legal opinions. I personally do not like many of the ACLU's opinions pertaining to law enforcement. Now what I'm about to say is going to cause some controversy; the ACLU is in the process of trying to start a pilot program with police officers unarmed. The idea is to try to be like London Police who are unarmed. These are the words of the ACLU so don't kill the messenger. The ACLU believes it's the only way of getting the community to trust the police and to partner with other agencies demonstrating a nonlethal approach to policing. When I was told they are going forward with the planning of disarming the police in Chicago, it has given me pause and concern for the safety of all of us. Lastly, the Obama administration has been informed of the program and was requested to have input into the nonlethal approach to policing in Chicago.
THIS IS SCARY...VERY SCARY. I can see the likes of the ACLU trying something like this. Especially in this Presidential administration. If this is even mentioned in public, somebody has to stand up and say "enough is enough". McCarthy and Rahm should have never agreed to even talk to these anti-Americans in the ACLU, let alone agree to the ISR...you can blame them. I guess Rahm would lose his armed guards, right???
Old Retired Guy
Geez, aren't all those personal questions on the form an invasion of the shitbird's privacy?
Big brother collecting more data?
What if your shitbird refuses to answer any/all questions?
Kinda like the form det's had to fill out when we were told to debrief all arrestees in the lockup (at least in 011) to find out if they knew anything about shootin's, killin's and robbin's.
Big fat REFUSED written after every question, because they looked at you like you were out of your ever-lovin' mind--like they're gonna give shit up after they're already charged. Mostly they'd be pissed you woke 'em up.
Think those debriefing forms went the way of the snitch boxes. Anybody ever get a pic of one of those snitch boxes BTW?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
When I see dude on a corner, I don't see a banger or a dope dealer. Rather, I see someone minding their own business quietly preparing for their upcoming rap album, doctoral thesis, or national honors society meeting.
1/13/2016 08:32:00 AM
You forgot the national spelling bee.
My question is : the law says we have to justify why we patted someone down - we have to articulate why we thought he may have had dangerous weapon before we conduct the pat down.
Does the reason "I never out anyone (including victims of crimes) in the back of my car w/0 a pat down count as a legal reason to conduct a protective pat down ?? I have no reason to suspect he's got a weapon - but I don't know that?
Any lawyers want to chime in. I'm not putting anyone in the back of my car w/o a pat down. But just wondering what the legal minds have to say. ??
1/13/2016 07:40:00 AM
Honest to God, are you a cop? WTF?
Fill these out with a Disclaimer that you are in fear of losing your job if you refuse to do it. FOP, wake the fuck up, you fuckin Rahm-Tools.
http://abc7chicago.com/news/store-employee-shoots-2-armed-robbery-suspects/1157778/
Another robbery attempt that failed because of a employee that has his conceal carry. THe store also had a no guns allowed sticker.
What if the person you stopped doesn't want to stick around to answer the questions? What if they don't even want to give you a name?
What could have been a brief stop is now a prolonged period of being detained?
Does that make sense?
So if you're looking for someone who fits a flash msg, but you realize it's not the guy/s, instead of being able to let them go and keep looking, you have to stop to fill out a form?
Glad I retired a year ago.
Stay safe my brothers and sisters.
How does the average person help officers deal with all this recent non sense? Trying build a business on the west side and I depend on law and order and proactive policing. I want the guy arrested before he robs and shoots me!! I want my girlfriend to be able to walk home without a pit of fear in my stomach ! Should I write to ACLU? Serious query.
"...the ACLU is getting every single copy of the card - your submission, the sergeant rejection, your corrected version, and the final version, all to be subjected to a rigorous examination by the ACLU lawyers..."
Better add another form to this mess -- a signed, witnessed release from the citizen authorizing the transfer of their personal information to the ACLU, which non-governmental organization has no more standing or authority than the coffee shop on the corner.
This could get interesting.
1/13/2016 05:44:00 AM
So now not only does some private citizen have to be videotaped and possibly end up on You Tube just because they were stopped for a minor traffic offense, I gotta give all this information too? Fuck you. I'm not sayin shit. Sooner or later, people are gonna reach a limit and start blowing back on all this lack of privacy.
This is state law. all departments have to document the stops with the same information.
Just like in any line of business, if you make the regulations so onerous that you aren't allowed to do your job, it is a message that society is telling you to stop doing your job. Or redefine it. And not a one of us has a fuck left to give. So I guess you get the kind of policing that you ask for. Or more like whack jobs riot for. Same difference.
1/13/2016 05:57:00 AM
That's it right there. I'm not even a cop but can relate to administrative suckholes justifying their own jobs by creating more work for the people who actually have to do it.
Beyond ridiculous. Whoever or whatever opened this door needs to have their ass leveled.
HEY Scc,
Your blogvwas on NBC5 tonight.
regarding this new waste of paper......
I will be waving at the Fine Fine people of this city.....
All rule 14 violation accusations now will be referred to the SAO officer for possible criminal prosecution before any administrative investigation is conducted.
NBC5 just referred to a post on SCC, regarding CPD's rapidly dropping rate of interaction with the public, thanks to the new paperwork requirement.
Of course, they reported that "AN OFFICER" posted (regarding the ISR).
Apparently NBC doesn't grasp the fact that anyone can post here, anyone can claim to be an officer, or claim to be Wyatt Earp, for that matter.
Got a laugh out of the ACLU chickie, though, blathering how happy she is that street stops are down. Be careful what you wish for, ACLU chickie.
From my cold dead hand will I police without my sidearm! ACLU here I am. If you want me unarmed, then YOU yourself try and take it.
Signed, F/?
I remember back in the day, hitting a gang party with 50-60 people to be patted down and information gathered. Now with ISRs, I guess I would have been working a double tour entering the data. (Maybe a triple tour as I was a slow typist.) Are they going to pay OT for this?
My sympathy, CPD.
Old, retired, CPD
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I used to see a suspicious person I wanted to stop. I would think about why he was suspicious, how I could approach him safely, whether this would be "the one", what bad was happening in this City and how he might be a part of it. I would think about my family and how they would survive without me if this was going to go bad.
I used to see a suspicious person. Now I don't, not with some ACLU jackal lawyer waiting to pick at my corpse.
Don't get me wrong, I still run towards gun fire, answer my calls and quell a domestic when asked. But so much of my job used to be intervening BEFORE somebody did something. It just isn't any more. For the sake of my family, it cannot be.
1/13/2016 05:38:00 AM
Well said.
I'm not a police officer, but work for a firm that is connected to the ACLU in regards to legal opinions. I personally do not like many of the ACLU's opinions pertaining to law enforcement. Now what I'm about to say is going to cause some controversy; the ACLU is in the process of trying to start a pilot program with police officers unarmed. The idea is to try to be like London Police who are unarmed. These are the words of the ACLU so don't kill the messenger. The ACLU believes it's the only way of getting the community to trust the police and to partner with other agencies demonstrating a nonlethal approach to policing. When I was told they are going forward with the planning of disarming the police in Chicago, it has given me pause and concern for the safety of all of us. Lastly, the Obama administration has been informed of the program and was requested to have input into the nonlethal approach to policing in Chicago.
1/13/2016 08:47:00 AM
Stop smoking that shit dude...........
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Retired, and have heard from many active officers that activity is down. Does anyone have figures? The only figures I have seen show a very slight difference, not a significant number.
1/13/2016 10:10:00 AM
Check the news. It's nearly the top story tonight. Activity isn't down; it's nearly extinct.
It is finally making sense to the commies. Let them suffer don't do a thing until they come begging. Just like the movie "300" hold, hold. Make them crumble stick together strength in numbers.
Old Retired Guy Here Again......! Can You Still Fold This Up And Write Your Beat Number On It, and Use It For A Beat Tag ? Other Than That, I Cannot Ever Envision Filling One Out. Well,Hold On. Maybe,If You Have A Prisoner's Detail. Nothing To Due, No Reading Material, No Nurse's To Flirt With. You Could Use Your Time To Engage In Meaningful Conversation With Your Prisoner, OR NOT !
PS: Be Safe Out There.
NEVER talk to the media to do some "feel good" shit to make this fucking city look good. Fuck them. They hate the police every last one of them. Just wait till summer when all the alderfuckers are screaming for the national guard.
Rule 14 right to the SAO now
http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20160113/loop/chicago-police-street-stops-decrease-dramatically-amid-sinking-morale
Had to do a simple ANOV on a guy should have taken 10 mins tops on the stop. But in typical CPD equipment fashion PDT was slow. Name finally came back ANOV issued and we're clear right? NO. Under new silly law we had to do the ISR now. PDT was not working properly and we lost the ISR that was almost done. Now we had to go into the station and do it. By the time were done the entire stop lasted well over an hour. What a joke. Two police officers down for over an hour on a simple ANOV. Stupid! No reason for all this paper. What a mess these know it all politicians created.
Anonymous said...
Too bad there'll still be plenty of dummies lining up to do these things so they can kiss asses to get on some bullshit tact team or area gig because they're afraid of pushing a beat car. The simpletons don't realize what they're getting into.
1/13/2016 10:52:00 AM Thers a couple of ways to deal with a pile of dog shit.Some see it and avoid it.Some accidentally step in it,realize what happened and quickly try to clean it off.Then theres the guys who see it,step in it and think nothing of bringing it in the car or house,
Ass Kisses - it is what our higher-ups have become. We have morons running this department. First FOIA, now ACLU - take these case to trial. I would give the Department more credit if because of a decision, we must fill out these reports, but to settle for this shows that the bosses running the Department NEVER did not work. It takes courage to stand up, and we lack that leadership from the Superintendent to the Commanders.
The Contact Card was clear and simple. But now, why bother doing the an ISR. Instead of discretion, now I just do the arrest. Thanks to the ACLU, now I lock more people up and have more court overtime. With that pay now I can go to Hawaii and when I come back get the bathrooms redone with a one of those bathtub jacuzzis. Thanks ACLU. Best idea you ever had.
Contact card completion time on the street: Roughly 5 minutes.
ISR completion time: 45 minutes, in the station. The pdt's don't work. Signal sucks and takes forever to upload if it even uploads and you lose your report regardless.
Why are there 120 shot already this year? Cause we're all in the station doing paperwork.
If the ACLU lived in Englewood, I bet they would get rid of contact cards altogether.
Remember, this is a law that was passed and no one made any noise about, nothing nada! It showed up almost out of nowhere. Call your senators and congressmen and ask them how and why?
with what 25 homicides in the dead of winter, the aldercreatures will be screaming that something be done.
You got what you asked for.
Stay fetal my friends.
And given the fact that this one looks to take WAYYYY longer to fill out could turn what was an investigative stop in accord with the US Constitution and Supreme Court "rules" into an unlawful arrest. Once you detain someone for beyond an unreasonable amount of time you have arrested them. Constructively anyway...and what once took a minute or two to complete now could take 10? 15? 30 minutes? If I had a JD (and I do) I might think about waiting a while, FOIA these, interviewing some of the "victims" and filing a big ol lawsuit (class action of course!) naming each and every one of you who detained one of my clients for an "unreasonable" amount of time as defendants! So go ahead...keep on working kids! Thanks for the clients!!
1/13/2016 08:02:00 AM
And who said anyone was being detained for an unreasonable amount of time? People aren't being detained while the entire ISR is completed. I guess it's a good thing for you that getting a JD doesn't require common sense. Now go chase some ambulances, shitdick.
We have all of this going on and then to see the 009 district take pictures with Rham!? and smiling!? He wants to take our lives, liberty and money away from us and our families. There's nothing to smile about or be taking pictures with. I'm glad DNAinfo had the picture. Much disappointment.
(OT) the hits keep on coming
City drops opposition to release of fatal police shooting video
In an apparent attempt to get ahead of the controversy, city lawyers on Wednesday abruptly dropped their opposition to releasing surveillance footage showing a white Chicago police officer fatally shooting a black teen who was suspected in a carjacking. Attorneys for Cedrick Chatman's family have...
On the job, Ohio.
This is an arrest report. Not a contact card. WTF
this is the way I see it. cops get paid more or less by the hour. do what they want. collect your paychecks and don't worry too much about these kind of things. they work themselves out in the longer run.
NAC
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