IPRA Protocol
Here's the letter outlining how Officer involved shootings will be handled now:
Interesting that IPRA will notify Felony Review as soon as possible, even before they leave the office and arrive on scene. That tells us quite a lot. It ought to tell each and every reader quite a lot, too.
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posted by SCC at 12:31 AM
195 Comments:
To all the remaining hard chargers....if you can't figure this out or see the writing on the wall, then you get what you deserve.
So basically you guys will be treated like a gangbanger ? Great. This should work out real well for the thugs.
Will ipra share its information with CPD, or is that a one-way street.
FOP better hire their own investigators to respond on-scene on an officer's behalf.
The totally ironic part of all of this is this bitch's last name: Fairley
Nothing in this process will be fair.
Every single merit hack from the Sgt class expected to be in the districts next week got their first choice in districts most will never see the ghetto. This department rewards stupidity and is a disgrace. The superintendent should be ashamed of himself for such a poor decision.
Stay fetal.
We are doomed
Holy Shit! After three generations finally a Bazarek is a Commander! The church bells in Poland should all ring!
This just sounds like it's gonna be a cluster fuck.
Wait until that hot, summer night when there's more than one officer involved shooting and their resources are spread thin. Coppers and detectives will be standing around crime scenes alot longer leaving the criminals free to do whatever they want unchallenged.
S T A Y
F E T A L
So.......Will the FOP be sending out an attorney on every one of these shootings that IPRA investigates?
May the streets of Chicago run red with the blood of savage gang members and may others scratch their heads in amazement and disbelief .
I've always been a worker, and it seems like my heart just breaks a little bit more every day.
They want it, they've got it.
I'll be damned if I chase another dude.
I wish these young kids would understand. And in not even necessarily "old" by any means, but I have respectable time on. I've worked in districts, on teams, and units. I've learned from, and worked with some of the finest officers to serve this city. I have taken gunfire in these neighborhoods, and returned fire. Have always had the best interest of this great city, and more importantly the best interests of that silent majority held captive in their own neighborhoods at heart.
Most people go to jobs they hate every day, just collecting a paycheck. I always considered myself fortunate because I had a job where I felt I was actually making a difference, and I had a job that I actually BELIEVED in. Somewhere along the way we became the villain. Up became down. Left became right. And everything is just backwards now. Suddenly everything I believed in, is everything supposedly "wrong" with this city, and I'm realized I've dedicated in excess of a decade for service that apparently isn't wanted.
Young kids- if he runs, let him go. If the car takes off, let it go. Unless it's an exceptional/extraordinary situation, you are worth to much to your friends and family.
The UPSIDE of you chasing is maybe making a good pinch, some court time, maybe an award.
The DOWNSIDE is a heavy suspension, termination, public embarrassment, and possibly prison.
On a scale, I know which side carries more weight. It's a no-brainer.
NOTHING GOOD WILL COME OF DOING THIS JOB LIKE IT'S MEANT TO BE DONE!
I just don't want to see any more of our brothers and sisters take on the stres of being right, but being crucified like you're wrong.
Keep your head down and your powder dry. Stay safe, and God bless.
R.I.P. CPD
In a OIS, prior to making any statements to anyone request an attorney, period. They meaning IPRA and CCSAO are not conducting an investigation in what happened, they are so nvestigating if you were right or wrong to pull the trigger. Anybody requesting a statement inform them that you are not refusing to make a statement but since I may be charged criminally I will not do so without my attorney present.
so they reinstating round tables (again) what a novel idea. SCC where were these "ipra" investigators trained at and/or are they certified by the state as lead homicide investigators like we have to adhere to? Are they going to required to submit gpr's that are "supposed" to become part of the file to be left in the areas? Will we even have access to their notes? Sorry just asking
Sounds like the street officers need some training and professional advice. Has the FOP thought of getting some use of force professionals to provide training to street officers? You should look into getting someone like Massad Ayoob, who has been defending LEO nationwide for years. I do not think you want to wait for the city to provide the training.
If the City or FOP doesn't do it, he has classes for concealed carriers. I have not taken one of his courses, but it is on my to-do list.
Why was this not mentioned?
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Fraternal Order of Police, Chicago Lodge #7
January 23, 2016
Contract News - 2012-2013 Overtime Retro Pay
The Lodge would like to report that we were recently contacted by the City attorneys and advised that a lawsuit involving retroactive payments for FLSA overtime hours worked during the first year of the current Contract was filed. As you might recall, due to the prior administration, their Lodge attorneys and several individuals who admitted to having knowledge of the failure to timely submit the "re-opener" letter; the City adamantly maintained the position that they were going to withhold "any and all" retroactive payments worked in 2012-2013.
In April of 2014, a meeting took place where we were successful in getting the "clock reset" as it were that resulted in getting retroactive pay back on the table. However, as negotiations progressed the City's position only offered retroactive pay for straight time earned in 2012-2013 and overtime was excluded. The Lodge persistently argued for the full payout of "all" retroactive pay during multiple negotiation session but was unable to move the City off of its stance. After exhausting every possible option, it was suggested by counsel representing the Lodge that we move forward and accept the $25 million payout for straight time retroactive pay and not run the risk of losing everything due to the City's unwillingness to include overtime earnings.
The lawsuit that the City is presently dealing with cites an obscure regulation within the United States Department of Labor (USDOL) regulation that appears to override the agreement related to retroactive overtime payments. If this regulation had been raised during negotiations, it is thought by counsel that the City would have never offered a final deal to approve "any" retroactive payments for "any and all" hours worked in 2012-2013.
Once the Lodge was contacted by the City regarding the lawsuit, our labor attorneys were directed to review the matter and determine the feasibility of the claim. It is their opinion that because the 2012-2013 payment was structured as "retroactive payment" on hours worked, the USDOL regulation could possibly require the City to now include retroactivity on 2012-2013 overtime hours. The attorneys noted, however, that there is little, if any, guidance or direction on the relevance of this regulation to the unique circumstances in this case. The City lawyers informed our attorneys that they are reviewing the lawsuit and will keep us advised on how they intend to proceed. As more information becomes available to the Lodge, we will continue to update the Membership. Currently there is no timeline, nor is there anything further or substantial to report.
Let us be 100% clear on the two critical elements that preceded these events. The first critical element was the success in getting retroactivity placed back on table after the April 2014 meeting. The second critical element was the October 2014 ratification of the Contract by our Membership. These two critical elements opened the door for this litigation to be possible in the first place. Remove either element and this specific case could never have been filed. Finally, even though the Lodge was not approached by the Member(s) that took it upon themselves to move this suit forward, if successful in securing the retroactive pay for overtime worked during that "lost year"; on behalf of the potentially affected Officers, thank you.
Stay Safe, & God Bless the Police.
Dean C. Angelo, Sr.
President
Fraternal Order of Police, Chicago Lodge #7
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How can you not only trust -- but mandate -- that an agency to whom you are implacably hostile pick up all the teeth, brains, and empty shells, and then turn the whole scene over to you for "investigation?"
Hire your own min-wage janitors to clean up the mess -- and then take it from there as it's obvious you intend to anyway.
I'd suggest "de-funding the police," as has been suggested, and hiring Aramark to do the prelims.
Fuck you.
Can't believe we gave up our contractual rights just like that. We gave a sworn investigative position to a private entity. Ipra are now deputised police detectives...byassing dept. Procedures and contractual obligations. Once more, stay fetal or you will get a asa approve felony case against you.
So if an officer shoots and kills an armed offender who has an accomplice who is arrested, will the IPRA investigator interview this subject? Will the investigator advise the accomplice of his rights per Miranda? Will s/he take notes on a GPR and will s/he complete a Supplementary Report, all of which wil become part of the file? Will s/he sit with an ASA during statements, and will s/he appear and testify in court or the grand jury?
Or will s/he run away from this part of the investigation as fast as possible?
so basically IPRA is looking to screw coppers immediately following a shooting, based on initial interviews and when the scene hasn't even been processed yet...? I'll feel terrible for the first copper that gets stuck going through this dog-and-pony show...
So now we have to listen to Descalante reassure us that Felony Review is going to be there to help us and how this is really a blessing in disguise?
The message is loud and clear to me, but will fly over many heads on this Dept with slick sleeves.
My question is this are IPRA investigators trained to actually do a investigation? if so who trained them? and how many hours of training did they receive? If these people are just political hacks who were sponsored by a aldercreature, reverends or county board hacks, does a P.O. have a right to sue the investigator and IPRA because he or she failed to do a proper investigation and tried to railroad the P.O. this after further investigation it was discovered that IPRA failed to do their job properly. This job is so f@ck no wonder they can't get enough people to sign up for the exam
Not a cop----so what does it tell us?
If you are a Chicago Police officer and you are still attempting to be proactive you need to take a step back and think real hard about continuing this practice. Everywhere you look this department is trying to fuck you , the citizens are trying to fuck you. Give these ungrateful mother fuckers what they want and more importantly what they deserve. Stay safe and most of all stay fetal.
Chicken Little.
Feds kill man in Oregon standoff cuz he reached for his pocket...
If it was CPD there would be an indictment
Hands up, don't shoot?
i'm done...wake up folks!
Where is the State Police in all this?
They have to notify felony review to get directions to where they are going. They would get lost otherwise.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Wow, reading this gave me chills. Usually everyone waited for the homicide det. to help and advise. Zero police control with this set up. From an old homicide detective, get an attorney before you talk to anyone if at all possible.
This is a violation of state law. Cpd is not to be involved in the investigation.
Look at the signature of Sharon Fairley at the end of the document. She must think she is something special. Why do people sign their names in a way that nobody can read them?? She must really be full of herself. Just another clown in the system. Lets see what happens to her career in five years. Carry on boys and girls...and always do the "right" thing.....Remember to cover your ass at all times......... Retired CPD... 30 years on the west side.
So if IPRA investigators are in bed sleeping they will not be available!
Then we run into the problem of keeping witnesses around.
Beat officer on scene should just do that lovely contact cards on the witness and walk away. Don't even attempt to touch or look at any video. You will be accused of erasing it!
The exempt they send out is likely to never have been a Detective of shootings and will say things like keep the witness in custody but will never say that out loud or signs anything.
You will have 3- 5 white shirts watching you but none will transport a prisoner or watch any evidence for lack of manpower. you are best served on standing in front of a police camera when the exempt starts acting like the know anything to record all those order they love to give.
caution as soon as a white shirt ask if your camera is on, be very worried they will not have anything good to say specially if you are the paper car .
if you are extremely wary complete a SUPP report as soon as possible documenting all the action you were ordered to do per IPRA and put their names for GODs sake your are the police.
Check the identification of all personal thinking they can talk to you take a pic of the IPRA investigator remember you are helping them investigate but will never see the report.
READ the state law regarding police shootings!
What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Do our politico's miss the U.S.S.R. that much that they feel the need to emulate it? Sheesh!
You don't felony review the dead... Only the living, so who's getting the felony charge??? Where that bus??? Who's getting tossed under it??
Well this hammers in the final nail in the CPD coffin.
Anyone who does ANY proactive policing should be sent to the rubber gun squad.
We have become the enemy of chiraq.
A community that declares war on its Police, had better learn to make friends with its criminals.
Stay safe and extra fetal.
Col Hanibal Smith
A-TEAM
this looks like complete ant total BS to me. stay safe and stay fetal so you don't have to go before cook county's felony review board
This document is my fetal birth certificate.
Fortunately for me, there is only one link in my chain of oversight.
And I own it.
Chalkie
Easy Peasy
Keep bad guy on life support till investigation is over. Then pull the plug.
If you read the ilcs law that was passed 01Jan16 you would know this letter is a complete pile of crap and a total violation of the State Law! In our area many of the Detectives have already called the union (who was waitin for the official letter to be presented). I'm sure the union will be addressing the CLEAR violations of the State Law that are being broken.
Remind me again, is it legal to brea the law because of a general order/ special order/ any bullshit written by the dept? If we knowingly break the new state law does that put us in the trick bag?
Hmmm, Where do I start. The new law effective Jan 1 2016, clearly states we cannot be involved in the investigation in a fatal police shooting. As the first on scene, if you are marking evidence that means you are looking for evidence. That is investigating. Forensic services personnel are investigators and their job involves looking for evidence, marking the evidence, photographing the evidence, measuring, and collecting the evidence. Forensic services job is to investigate along with detectives. Next, this is not two investigations, it is one. You are involving detectives in this single investigation which is violating state law. You cannot transport witnesses to the area. What if they begin to talk about the investigation. Then you have to document and you are involved. Ipra needs to say when the body is removed and they have to make the arrangements. They are the investigators. The law also states that we are to have a written order by Jan , 2016. The police do not and that is violating the state law.
Immediate notifications to felony review when a person is seriously injured by a department member while in performance of their duties has always been in G.O and S.O., nothing new
What witness would want to run through that gauntlet of officers and state attorneys to make a simple statement? A witness would need their own attorney to negotiate this process. The unintended result will be less cooperative witnesses.
It is best to do nothing and let the shitbird pookie go!
I'm NOT getting involved in shit anymore!
Civilian getting attacked be another civilian, here is your police report and good-bye! No arrests! No Chase! No Nothing!
Just fuck it and stay fetal!
Nobody ever got fired For doing nothing.
Why bother doing anything? You will be thrown under the bus.
Is IPRA sworn to uphold the Constitution?
Rumor has it that Miss Fairley demanded that the officer be charged with "murder" for the shooting death of Betty Jones and bat/frat boy on the west side. Fortunately "Mr Six" nixed her demands!
Will I need an attorney?
The department will become more paralyzed then it already is. The job will never come close to going back to what is was. If you worked under Mayor Jane Byrne you what it was to be the police. The best four years this department ever had.
TRP
So much for trained, experienced investigators, (the police detectives) conducting thorough, competent investigation. Now we will have an agency with an agenda (and maybe a quota) in charge leading the investigation toward their agenda (which is the police are always wrong) good luck. So police with years and years of experience and expertise will have to stand by and watch civilians with a whole week of training. Does anyone else see something drastically wrong here. The police are now on trial for every action taken. Do nothing to stay safe. Civilians go get a Concealed carry permit and learn how to handle a gun. I'm moving to some where sane, far far from Crook County and terminally ILLinois. Lt S
talk about putting fox in charge of the henhouse
This is fucked up. Felony review with states attorney...I will invoke my right to not say shit until my FOP union lawyer shows up due to a traumatic episode I have just encountered with the shooting and until I feel comfortable. I will also go out on psych leave in spite of the bullshit I will have to endure to make things more transparent in favor of the officer. Where is the due process in this? Simultaneous investigations alongside IPRA? WTF is this shit? Those lackeys aren't detectives nor do they have the qualifications to do such. This is our future shit to deal with just because Rahm had to hide some bullshit to get reelected another term along with Anita Alvarez. Knife vs. gun=dead offender, bat vs. gun=dead offender.....That's the matrix!
I've been retired awhile, and cannot figure out what OCIC is. Don't see what it stands for in the letter.
If this doesn't make you guys/gals lay down, I don't know what will.
Stay safe. Stay fetal.
May God watch over all of you.
In addition to now having to squeeze tazers on our duties belts we will be required to carry a noose for IPRA to use on us immediately after a shooting. If you are doing any police work you are a fool.
Stay fetal my friends, this too shall pass.
This is going to be interesting considering the rights of public employee's regarding the Constitutional rights pertaining to the Supreme Court's ruling in the Garrity Supreme Court Case. In the Garrity Court ruling, the Court stated that the Constitution protects citizens from the actions of governments. When a public employee is being questioned by their employer, they are being questioned by the government. Therefore, the 5th Amendment applies to their interrogation, if it is related to potentially criminal conduct. The 14th Amendment make this applicable to state and local governments also. In the Gardner v Broderick supreme court ruling, public employers cannot use a a threat of termination to force employees to waive their constitutional rights. This law also applies to outside agencies investigation public employee's. (IPRA) Does this mean that employer can never ask question regarding a particular incident. No, a police officer must answer questions regarding a shooting but that statement CANNOT BE USED AGAINST HIM/HER IN A COURT OF LAW AND/OR DISCIPLINARY HEARING. In addition, any evidence gained or learned by this questioning can not be used also. What does all this mean: A person can still be question and be prosecuted for the offence under investigation, as long as the prosecution relies solely on evidence other that of the protected statements and other evidence learned as a results of such statements. In other words, a PO can be questioned however, any statements given can not be against him/her. What is going to be interesting is if a PO gets involved in a shooting and is questioned by IPRA with a States Attorney present. If there is ever a time when FOP also comes out with a policy this is it. If you saw the above letter that was written by the current head of IPRA, FOP WAS NOT INCLUDED INFORMED. WHY?
The new State Law is very clear. CPD should not be involved (i.e. Detectives and FIs/ETs)in CPD personnel fatalities period. You cannot separate the investigation into two different parts (criminal act by the offender and then the shooting of the offender). It is one investigation. This agreement between the CPD, IPRA, and the CCSAO is in violation of the law. I hate to be the first set of officers, detectives, and FIs that get the first police fatality of the year. The civil lawsuit will be for Wrongful Death (like always) and for Knowingly Violating the State Law. Chief of Detectives Gene Roy will be long retired when this goes to federal court so who will be left holding the bag of shit? Detectives and FIs/ETs should refuse to work on police fatalities.
The city new of this law in the summer of 2015 and there is no Special Order on it that has been published. And when it is published, it will reflect the same nonsense written by IPRA that is in violation of the law (I saw a draft).
Where are you FOP? The city is putting us all in a very bad predicament and we have heard NOTHING from you.
It doesn't matter what they do in the name of "fixing" something that wasn't broken in the first place. If the race baiting politicians and reverends, the ghetto lottery ticket lawsuit seeking family, or the blind bleeding heart libtards do not get the results that they want following a police shooting (the police officer sent to prison for life), they are still going to complain that the system is corrupt.
For the michael brown shooting, they tried EVERYTHING they could to find fault with officer wilsons actions. When they could not, and the evidence showed that brown was attacking the officer who only responded in self defense, the response was sickening. NOT ONE of the media bastards who crucified the officer before any investigation was done, nor any of the politicians who sided with the mob, nor any "men of god" who fanned the racial flames spoke up and apologized to officer wilson and his family or vindicated him publicly. In fact, when they speak of the incident to this day, they insinuate that it was still a racially motivated incident by a corrupt biased system geared towards the continued oppression of minorities rather than what it was..... a police officer who was attacked by a criminal. And this criminals actions forced the officer to defend himself.
They will keep pushing and pushing and the panderers will change whatever they can without thought of the risk to police officers. The blood of any police officer injured or killed due to even a fraction of a second hesitation because of the inevitable shit storm of litigation and witch hunt that follows every shooting, is on their hands. The problem is, they dont care. We are the hated, we are the hunted. Watch yourselves and dont be easy prey.
Lets all make sure to that the officer(s) involved are not just part of a new political fishing expedition to just to save some politicians ass.
Proactive is a thing of the past or at least until the folks figure out that they need us.
Is this a joke?
I ask this since my prior employment was outside of Chicago as a police officer.
During this employment I was involved in several officer involved shootings.
And must tell you that when the State Police step in they control it all
from evidence collection to witness statements.
And that is the way it should be. Do you really think this department has the ability to perform any investigation now without influence or leaks from the administration
or mayor?
If you think otherwise, just look at McDonald shooting and see who is being stripped, and reassigned during investigation. One year after original investigation
and it is being reinvestigated and blaming CPD members. While IPRA is not mentioned.......
We need an outside independent shooting investigator. Former law enforcement
former states attorney teams that come out for officer involved shootings.
No connection or influence from City or employer.
What do you want the truth or what city wants to be released?
Note the change in specifics from 'officer involved death incidents' in the introductory section to 'shootings' in the process definition. Where was any legal review of these regulations?
The card deck is being stacked against members.
IPRA and IAD being used by administration and mayor to punish officers.
Not to find truth of incidents.
As long as mayor can call the way investigation is handled we are screwed.
Something tells me IPRA is not felony reviewing assholes... Lol... Watch your 6, it's getting the point where you are better off getting shot if it comes down to it. Ask anyone who gas survived being thrown under the bus
So what happens when some citizen/witness does not want to talk to these clowns?
Maybe a torture chamber from IPRA?
If that doesn't have STAY FETAL written between the lines in all caps then I don't know what does.
Rahm is directly behind this yet he continues to try and portray the image that he has our backs.... fuck that slithery weasel.
Stay fetal my friends.
Right to remain silent. Right not to self incriminate. Right to an attorney. Applies to police as well.
Why is "Public Safety" interview in quotes? Is that like wink wink??
There it is. That decision that you make in 3 seconds will be scrutinized by all the liberals, second rate lawyers and untrained civilians.
When you pull that trigger your career, and family life are over. Protect yourself stay fetal. The asshole desk guy will be standing behind the desk warm, clean, well fed and his or her family will still have a roof over their head after 8 hrs. You will be treated worse than the criminal on the street. Wise up my friend! Do what you have to do and that's it! Did you ever notice that judges, lawyers, prosecutors both state and federal, FBI agents ,or any federal agents for that matter, never seem to see any crim on view? Did you ever get a call and have them at the scene waiting to be a witness?
Don't throw you life away for these mutts see what the judges, lawyers, Feds and any other low life in this world sees, nothing!
Stay fetal my friends!
So now a lawyer has to be available at the scene immediately right?
This is the shit nightmares are made of...
This thing is chock full of bullshit with NO
thought given to due process, the involved
officer(s) rights or the presumption of innocent
until PROVEN guilty.
This is "Da Communerty's" and the aclu's
long awaited and totally misdirected
vendetta against The Police and Policing...
We hope that Policemen will continue to disengage
from the tribal areas of Chicago and let the inhabitants
continue to cannibalize each other...
Less contact means less likelihood of a use of force
scenario. Lethal or otherwise. Which will drive the
#blm mob and the aclu crazy.
Heh...
"How come those Cops aren't being aggressive
and killing anybody lately? Their refusal to generate
"activity is taking too much wind out of our sails."
They may have to resort to paid martyrs to keep
the pot of outrage bubbling.
Police like you have no friends.
Now IPRA can enjoy being part of the ghetto lottery lawsuit
I've been voting in Chicago for 30 years. I apologize for this nonsense. How many levels of CYA (or is it Cover Rahm's Ass?) does there really need to be?
Pass the buck,the scapegoat now lies on,Anita Alverez,tell her what she's won Bob,a free Tripp to Leavenworth,and a 28 year time share,stay rent free all inclusive,who can we pin the tail on next,ultimately Rham,his honor is high and mighty,but knows all, and with that has responsibilities,that video was reviewed and is not over!
Yes it tells me the deck is stacked against us even before they leave there office and with all the heat on CPD and clear incompetence from IPRA in the past, IPRA has an agenda, to charge as many officers as it can to appease the black community and the revnones , a IPRA investigator should not be able to interview a witness or offender alone due to its clear bias and orders from the mayor to charge officers, CPD detectives should sit in to make sure this non law enforcement agency has a clue. All IPRA investigators should wear body cameras to ensure accountability and fairness and transparency .
Rahm-bama , Democommies, and the New World Order.
Give them what they want. Don't get out of the boat!
Despite all of this, we still have some officers stopping cars and getting into foot chases. They won't outwardly admit it, but they want to examine officer involved shootings under a microscope. To see if there is any small deviations of policy. And if there is, you will have to exchange your blue uniform for an orange jump suit. Who wants to be made out to be the first example? I don't.
Oh oh oh oh
Can I be trained as a crisis intervention specialists?
Will they pay me more?
so when someone drops that hammer, I can say I told them not to fire that weapon.
sounds like more crap but why listen to a supervisor with 30 years on job.
listen to a silver spoon merit promoted commander or chief.
That's it I'm done ... Riding out my last few years just answering calls and writing paper.
Impossible to read. Don't put shit up here in such a half assed way.
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Dear Dumbass,
Click on the picture - it gets BIGGER! Then use the tools on your computer to enlarge it to the size your blind-ass needs to read. It's Magic!
Asshat.
**********STAY FETAL***********
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Every single merit hack from the Sgt class expected to be in the districts next week got their first choice in districts most will never see the ghetto. This department rewards stupidity and is a disgrace. The superintendent should be ashamed of himself for such a poor decision.
1/29/2016 12:42:00 AM
Wait, what?
No citywide bid for existing sergeants before the new promotees got their assignments?
Immediate notifications to felony review when a person is seriously injured by a department member while in performance of their duties has always been in G.O and S.O., nothing new
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For us, yes. Not for IPRA. They're looking to indict someone ASAP
More damned if you do, damned if you don't
http://cookcountyrecord.com/stories/510659498-divided-il-supreme-court-tosses-rule-protecting-police-fire-depts-from-lawsuits-says-rule-outdated-despite-precedent
With all the bullshit we deal with on justified police shootings, claiming duty disability from stress involved shouldn't be a stretch now days.
Someone ask Glenn Evans of he got a fair and impartial investigation by IPRA?
15 and out should be in the next contract. Offer me something and I'm gone, no desire to walk on eggshells for the next year or 2 until I reach 20...
If both side disagree, both side run it up their chains of command. Who makes the decision once the superintendent and director of IPRA are at disagreement....black lives matter?
DONE.
Dean Sr, and Jr, and dog with vet bill request; all 3 have failed us.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Wow, reading this gave me chills. Usually everyone waited for the homicide det. to help and advise. Zero police control with this set up. From an old homicide detective, get an attorney before you talk to anyone if at all possible.
1/29/2016 07:00:00 AM
Oh, it's possible. If I get involved in a shooting now and I sense the investigation is going to shit, I'm gonna ask for a lawyer. And if it comes between my job and my freedom, I'm gonna choose my freedom and tell them to shove the job up their ass.
"When an officer-involved shooting has resulted in the death of a 'civilian person', IPRA will respond".
So, what I get from this is, if your sworn "non-civilian" partner has really been bugging you lately, you can shoot him/her dead and IPRA will not respond. What a loophole.
Watch your back, boys and girls.
Stay fetal.
Everyone understand this. Under the law that went into effect 01 Jan 2016, Police and Community Relations Improvement Act under 50 ILCS 727/1-10 (b) bottom of paragraph. No investigator involved in the investigation may be employed by the same agency as the officer involved in the officer involved death unless the investigator is employed by the department of State Police AND not assigned to the same division or unit as the officer involved. For short CPD dics can't be involved in the investigation of a CPD officer involved death unless employed by the State Police "AND" notice it says "AND" not "OR" (not assigned to the same division or unit as the officer involved. CPD and IPRA defining policy in clear violation of the state law.
Any dics going out on these you are in violation of the state statute which will be addressed by the civil attorneys at the lawsuit depositions Make no mistake
Also under section (d), the investigators will submit a report to the Attorneys Office for review. Any copper that shoots someone now should
invoke their right to counsel and to remian silent.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Not a cop----so what does it tell us?
1/29/2016 06:07:00 AM
It tells you 'no need to post here'. Instead, simply read the subsequent comments made by the working police and then you'll know 'what it tells us'.
And the FOP's response is... Cricket... Cricket... Cricket...
ACLU has been filming street stops and have been checking to see if a receipt has been given. Just happened to me and I am giving out the heads up.
Then you have pathetic sneed putting the fat clown tina skahills picture in the paper and saying she is in the running for supt. Then rahm is saying "police supt will be black" come on rahm man up who cares? Mr six John only 3 stars on lapel you know your gone soon, did you actually get the huge mccarthy salary? Chuckie ramsey hows that $350 an hour working out? Stay fetal my friends, keep your job,house,and family unless you think you look good in orange jumpsuits!
Protocol? from reading this letter the only thing officers need to do is protect the #bluelivesmatterfamily, other than that stay fetal! If the black community don't want police and they vote the mayor is required to give them what they desired government is "by the people for the people" so pull out! Why not put police in areas that taxpayers pay the freight? If you don't want to do anything go anywhere you don't have to, put police in the areas strapped for police, where officers are wanted and most of all respected! The officers should get away the caustic bunch such as your county board champ toni who is so idiotic saying constantly "to many black and brown in jail" miss Toni your husband left you are your comments due to a jilted marriage or is your brain activity shrinking? toni wants her friend now to be states attorney, how many more officers will this "new kid on block" attack? Will see be Baltimore redux, skilless but big mouth?
Advice: Go home same way you came to work, keep healthy, take your time, don't chase thugs, protect each other and Blue families this is like Mad Max surviavla is #1.
All you hard chargers out there better God Damn "WAKE THE HELL UP". All of this is designed to get you fired,indicted or suspended even though you are doing your job correctly. Don't let any boss tell you that coppers on here are just employing scare tactics to keep you from doing the job. Look what Officer Wilson went through in Ferguson for doing his job. Just do the basics to keep yourself employed. Any pro active action will just result in you being put under investigation and these bosses washing there hands of you. You have been warned and only yourself to blame the minute the spotlights on you.
Stay Fetal, stay employed ,stay out of jail !
Your FOP needs to get on the ball and ensure that officers make no voluntary statements to IPRA. Do what you must to ensure CPD command need to order officers to make a statement. That more clearly protects the officer under Garrity. In my west coast agency, we have this any time we talk to our civilian "investigators".
Anonymous said...
I've been retired awhile, and cannot figure out what OCIC is. Don't see what it stands for in the letter.
If this doesn't make you guys/gals lay down, I don't know what will.
Stay safe. Stay fetal.
May God watch over all of you.
1/29/2016 09:12:00 AM
OCIC - On Call Incident Commander. But that is being changed back to street deputy again. What is old is new.
I understand that IPRA can conduct an investigation and find a use of force /shooting unjustified. That in and of itself does not make it a criminal matter. Now if they determine the action is a criminal act, do they do the full investigation? Do they prepar the case for court? Who arrests the officer involved? Who goes to court? Will they end up in federal court in the civil proceedings? How will conflicting investigations between the detectives and IPRA or with any other agency involved be resolved? More questions then answers. For an officer involved it is lawyer up.
Screw this city! make it to the KMA club leave this city and go somewhere else warm that has their shit together!
Roy is the biggest clout user i know! He will sell anyone out to get to the top.
If any gangster is in this commission of committing a crime, then what do u do ask yourself whats the obvious when officers will be be sent to prison for trying to do whats right!!!
ALL BULLSHIT Welcome to the New Detroit
First of all what officer will ever want to pull the trigger ever again no matter what u do the officers will always be crusified, Anyone not reading throught the lines clearly here need to get your F@!!#@# head examined!!!
In a OIS, prior to making any statements to anyone request an attorney, period. They meaning IPRA and CCSAO are not conducting an investigation in what happened, they are so nvestigating if you were right or wrong to pull the trigger. Anybody requesting a statement inform them that you are not refusing to make a statement but since I may be charged criminally I will not do so without my attorney present.
1/29/2016 02:07:00 AM
Flop is more interested in fighting the 10 hour days for Sat teams then providing an attorney for a police shooting
Stay Fetal Officers , Let them all Kill themselves
I don't care how many times Rahm tries to assure us that he has our back.... make no mistake Rahm was the driving force behind this adversarial change.
Stay fetal, very fetal, my friends.
Felony Review was always notified of a police shooting. They always came out and sat in on the round table. There is a lot of information that develops during the investigation that the ASA should be privy to since they will also be looking at the charges on the offender. Yes, I know everyone is thinking that they're looking to charge the copper, but we all know, very few coppers are wrong in the shootings so normally, no one will be criminally charged. The ASA will not be involved in the matters relating to procedural violations, i.e. unauthorized ammo or duty weapon, camera/microphone infractions etc., just law matters. When it comes to the law, there will be few, if any coppers being looked at, unless it's clear they set out with unjustified intent. Officer Vandyke wouldn't have been criminally charged in the IPRA review with an ASA present, since he did not commit any crime. He may have been looked at harshly during an excessive force investigation, but that's not a criminal investigation; it's civil. The only reason he is facing criminal charges is a bow to pressure so politicians can respond to public and media critics and save their political handouts.
What A Fuckin Mess , OK - I'm sure this is only The Beginning of all this crap they want now , Ok lets call IPRA and every other ASSHOLE , and get all these Assholes out of bed at 3 & 4 in the Morning 24/ 7 , Lets see how good there going to like THERE PLAN LMAO , I'm sure they will be looking for a New Job Real Soon LMAO
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Dear Dumbass,
Click on the picture - it gets BIGGER! Then use the tools on your computer to enlarge it to the size your blind-ass needs to read. It's Magic!
Asshat.
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I wonder if that guy knows you can also click on the provided links to read the full article too??
States Attorney Anita Alvarez can't wait to get the 1st copper who is crazy enough to shoot anyone.
Its election time and she needs the positive press of hanging an officer out to dry.
I would not be surprised if she is the States attorney that goes to the 1st scene.
By the way if you are the paper car and the case goes sideways look for yourself to be indicted for lying and obstruction! You can bet on that ask the Detective at Area Central he aint stripped but can't even work on shoplifting cases.
Are you kidding me, I'm so happy that I'm gone, the department is really going to let inexperienced civilians who may just have 2 years of college, no legal experience besides maybe some legal classes handle a crime scene, how is this going to play out in court,when a copper is criminally charged, this will be interesting. my suggestion to all of you is to complain of light headedness, chest pains etc, get taken to the hospital, talk only after your rep is on scene with you. I can see that FOP will be tasked with sending out a lawyer in police involved shootings. Screw this IPRA and the States Attorneys office.
I raise a valid question at this point, where is FOP?
OT- how do you post a goofy PDT job on here?
I have one that can't be beat. FOR REALZ
None of these new procedures will affect your average, intelligent working copper. You won't fire your sidearm unless your life, or that of your partner (co-workers) or an innocent is directly threatened. Once you have spoken to your FOP legal representation, you will have a coherent statement in place which will justify the actions you had to take; You will go to a hospital of your choosing to get checked out, as expected, and when released (again, with counsel), you will speak to investigators, both sworn and civilian, and then you will be excused from duty, whereby you will return to your home and recuperate, however long it takes. You will take full advantage of the department's Employee Assistance Program, seeking out counseling to manage the stress of the incident. You will seek out the support and comfort of your family. Hopefully, your sidearm used in defense of your life will be returned to you as quickly as possible, with your commanding officer doing their best to expedite its prompt return to you for when you return to duty. Lastly, you will return to work only when you feel that you are ready to do so. For most of you, nothing will change. For those of you who like to operate from the seat of your pants, well, good luck with that.
SCC-Maybe you can help with getting information since our unit reps, watch reps, and fop has no answer. This is new information regarding the squad scheduling.
This week the 12 district was informed that the squad scheduling was going to be terminated in the 3rd period. Everyone has to re- pick day off groups and have to now find a 3rd person for each car. What is upsetting is they wait until the year begins to tell us that its ending. No one for 2 years ever bothered to even ask us our opinion on this. I am not a fan of squad scheduling at all. But like most of us we have family and other obligations in our current day off groups. Its very simple to just up and say everyone has to re-pick day off groups. Instead of waiting until the end of 2016 to fix this issue and have new d.o.g for 2017 they chose to do this now. At least this commander was able to get this stopped, but why now? Any help?
i can't wait for our new african american savior superfly intendant to lead us
The IPRA walkthrough violates the contract. Do not talk to IPRA at all without an attorney present.
As far as I remember from detective training CCSAO ASAs are NOT to conduct investigations at the area. CPD conducts the investigation and then presents the evidence to the ASA, at which point they determine if charges should be levied. Once ASAs start interviewing witnesses, especially when there is video of the CPD interviews that they can watch, then they become liable. Also, from a few lawsuits ago, transporting witnesses into an area was supposed to be a big NO NO. Maybe IPRA can transport them so they can defend themselves again kidnapping and malfeasance lawsuits.
Even if a P.O. outright commits murder, that person will not be found guilty. IPRA will screw up its' "investigation" so badly that its' evidence/witness statements will be inadmissable.
Anonymous said...
Will ipra share its information with CPD, or is that a one-way street.
FOP better hire their own investigators to respond on-scene on an officer's behalf.
The totally ironic part of all of this is this bitch's last name: Fairley
Nothing in this process will be fair.
1/29/2016 12:39:00 AM
???????
Your a little LATE on the up take. FOP has investigators on call every day in addition to a field rep. The field reps always went out on shootings. The investigators were hired THREE YEARS AGO. A professional police officer would know this. Talk to your unit representative. He or she should address your roll call once a month after he or she attends the general meeting. Or YOU could watch the meeting in it's entirety on the FOP web site.
Blogger charles salvatore said...
FOP WAS NOT INCLUDED INFORMED. WHY?
1/29/2016 09:24:00 AM
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Chuck when did the city ever treat us fairly? How long have you been retired? Time to just let it go. Live your life in the future not the past.
Might as well just disband the department. Clearly no one wants actually policing to occur just the illusion of it like anything else.
How about that magical facsimile regarding the foot patrol being disbanded and sent to 2nd and 3rd watch starting on 01 February?
Go sit up in the lobby of IPRA for a few minutes. It is an unprofessional clown show. It is laughable, in a sad way that they are in charge of anything, let alone the outcome of life and death decisions
have you seen this yet??
http://www.policeone.com/patrol-issues/articles/70220006-Ill-Supreme-Court-kills-law-protecting-police-from-lawsuits
more throwing of LEOs under the bus.
stay fetal.
And yet people are still applying for units and begging to be on mission cars. I guess some will continue to ignore the writing on the wall.
To 12:42 - Almost all merit "hacks" from the class of 100 went to 002,003,004,005,006,007,008, 009 & 025. EXACTLY four merit "hacks" went to non "ghetto" districts. And just to be clear, the merit "hacks" you speak of requested the "ghetto" districts as their first choice. If you think you know better than this merit "hack" than name them &!tie district and sign your name to it. This merit "hack" will be glad to come find you Monday before inspections & walk you through your fictitious list.
Signed: Merit "Hack" going to a ghetto district that I requested.
Every single merit hack from the Sgt class expected to be in the districts next week got their first choice in districts most will never see the ghetto. This department rewards stupidity and is a disgrace. The superintendent should be ashamed of himself for such a poor decision.
I am not a merit hack, but I happen to know 2 of the merit hacks your refer to from the most recent class and they did not get their first choice, they got sent to shit districts, so stop starting bs rumors, we have enough problems on this job, we do not need more bs lies.
felony review is strictly for the detective division........Stay Fetal My Brothers and Sisters
lets all start enjoying our two days off.......no more overtime
part 3 ridicoulous:http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-chicago-police-misconduct-settlements-met-20160129-story.html
That the link but it goes on and on bottom line: we have coppers that live in the area protecting residents from gang banging,and criminals who are using ghetto lottery causing these hard working officers to go fetal!
Does IPRA understand the fraternal relationship amoungst the bkack community. Do they know of the bias witness propaganda during incidents involving police and black offenders. In fact, they should drive around and see how dehydrated these people are from all the spitting they do in the presence of police. Good luck with your investigation.
"Police like you have no friends."
Okay, at the risk, perhaps the certainty, of the obvious reaction, a punctuation observation:
'Police like you have no friends', could be construed as: 'Police, like you, have no friends.'
Whilst, 'Police, like you have no friends.' cannot.
I'm just saying'......
Here comes the liberal democratic spanish inquisition for CPD.
Keep doing the foot chases. IPRA has got your back.
RE: Every single merit hack from the Sgt class expected to be in the districts next week got their first choice in districts most will never see the ghetto. This department rewards stupidity and is a disgrace. The superintendent should be ashamed of himself for such a poor decision.
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Hey asshat, go back and pull the list of McCarthy's Merit 13 from SCC's page...then, use your pea brain and connect the dots with the BOP listing the new Sgt's assignments. After you've done that and take your nap because that was exhausting for your pea brain you'll see the "merit hacks" all went to ghetto districts EXCEPT for 1 Sgt. Now, I know this was a complete brain drain so go lay again and do us all a favor - go fuck yourself!
Signed a Merit Hack for the 13.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Chicken Little.
1/29/2016 06:33:00 AM
Wait, are you suggesting we watch "chicken little" in leu of doing police work while monitoring the flow of traffic at a certain intersection?
Anonymous said...
Every single merit hack from the Sgt class expected to be in the districts next week got their first choice in districts most will never see the ghetto. This department rewards stupidity and is a disgrace. The superintendent should be ashamed of himself for such a poor decision.
1/29/2016 12:42:00 AM
PZ went to 015. Dick.
Mayor Jane Byrne respected the Chicago Police Department.
Anonymous said...
This document is my fetal birth certificate.
1/29/2016 07:35:00 AM
Even as fetuses youse guys are still hilarious!
Anonymous said...
I've been retired awhile, and cannot figure out what OCIC is. Don't see what it stands for in the letter.
If this doesn't make you guys/gals lay down, I don't know what will.
Stay safe. Stay fetal.
May God watch over all of you.
1/29/2016 09:12:00 AM
OCIC - On Call Incident Commander. But that is being changed back to street deputy again. What is old is new.
1/29/2016 03:49:00 PM
No complaints. Change it back to what it always was before we were briefly and unwillingly NEWYORKified.
Now, can we have our Detective DIVISIONS back and get rid of the 'Bureaus'???
Mayor Byrne had family connections on CPD yes she cared.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
I've been retired awhile, and cannot figure out what OCIC is. Don't see what it stands for in the letter.
If this doesn't make you guys/gals lay down, I don't know what will.
Stay safe. Stay fetal.
May God watch over all of you.
1/29/2016 09:12:00 AM
OCIC - On Call Incident Commander. But that is being changed back to street deputy again. What is old is new.
1/29/2016 03:49:00 PM
Don't feel bad brother, I'm currently on the job didn't exactly know what it stood for.
Bring back Chicago Police language now that the "God of crime fighting" is gone.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
so they reinstating round tables (again) what a novel idea. SCC where were these "ipra" investigators trained at and/or are they certified by the state as lead homicide investigators like we have to adhere to? Are they going to required to submit gpr's that are "supposed" to become part of the file to be left in the areas? Will we even have access to their notes? Sorry just asking
1/29/2016 02:29:00 AM
Most were selling shoes before they became politically appointed "investigators." Look it up. Sales, marriage to a political hack, and you are a professional police-bashing investigator. Only in Shitcago.
Ask all the officers going through their fair investigation treatments and see how well they are doing.....sarcasm.....Beleive it they will be thrown 7nder the bus for politics read suntimes article about police are pawns!
"When an officer-involved shooting has resulted in the death of a 'civilian person', IPRA will respond".
So, what I get from this is, if your sworn "non-civilian" partner has really been bugging you lately, you can shoot him/her dead and IPRA will not respond. What a loophole.
Watch your back, boys and girls.
Stay fetal.
And don't piss off your partner!!!!
Just remember IPRA and CCASO felony review investigators do NOT have qualified immunity.
Signed: Merit "Hack" going to a ghetto district that I requested.
1/29/2016 08:35:00 PM
Signed a Merit Hack for the 13
1/29/2016 11:28:00 PM
Enjoy the pensions and seniority you stole from Officers that earned their promotions but will never receive them.
Anonymous said...
Not a cop----so what does it tell us?
1/29/2016 06:07:00 AM
It tells you 'no need to post here'. Instead, simply read the subsequent comments made by the working police and then you'll know 'what it tells us'.
1/29/2016 02:11:00 PM
Seen and not heard. Got it.
By any chance do you have blue eyes to match your blue shirt.....
Secure and preserve the scene. Set up a check in stop and have all investigators signs in. Don't canvass for witnesses or evidence. Asked to be advised your administrative and or Miranda rights. Insist that a FOP representative and lawyer be present for all questioning. Let them figure out what their supposed to do, eventually they' ll shoot themselves in the foot.
Hey merit hack, stop acting like you're a fricken martyer you still stole some deserving coppers spot because you know the right people so your going to the ghetto big deal. We'll check back in a year maybe two and see how many of the 13 chosen ones are in units. Until then try to remember where you came from and that you didn't earn your stripes.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
part 3 ridiculous:http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-chicago-police-misconduct-settlements-met-20160129-story.html
That the link but it goes on and on bottom line: we have coppers that live in the area protecting residents from gang banging,and criminals who are using ghetto lottery causing these hard working officers to go fetal!
1/29/2016 09:34:00 PM
Worked in 008 with those coppers very aggressive actually work extremely hard as this is their neighborhood also, the scum invades and they do their jobs to keep crime down all legally and honestly! Will the alderman mishmash zalewski-Burke_Quinn take a stand and support these great officers? Or will they pander to the criminal elements? These are some of the few still being pro-active until now,who keeps releasing all this information what rat keeps seeking the cheese, johnny its in your department here is something for iad to do instead of attacking street coppers just do it johnny!
Does IPRA understand the fraternal relationship amoungst the bkack community. Do they know of the bias witness propaganda during incidents involving police and black offenders. In fact, they should drive around and see how dehydrated these people are from all the spitting they do in the presence of police. Good luck with your investigation.
1/29/2016 09:41:00 PM
If they don't know now, they're soon gonna find out about.
I sure hope that these IPRA investigators are State certified in the various certifications needed to conduct a proper criminal investigation.
And I hope that Dean (a man who can't pay for his own dogs medical bills cause he doesn't have enough money) and crew hire a law firm to represent officers.
A law firm that will be able to send an attorney out at any hour of the day or night to represent an officer that is doing his/her job and protecting themselves from the criminals of this city.
"So much for trained, experienced investigators", Who are you kidding "Lt. S."
What and how would you know about anything ?
You can't be commenting from experience, could you ? We don't think so ! You were never a street cop ! Infact, we would say we saw all this coming when you started to show your true colors after taking over our watch. Anyone who experienced what we did under your pathetic tenure as "O.Lt." on our watch will have an idea of what's coming from a police department lead by the likes of IPRA and coached by the Federalies. Get ready boys and girls, we called our show: "The True Stories of Cpt. Stupid and Lt. Schmuck". One act follows the other and some acts come with props like Bullwinkle and the Hee Haw brothers.
p.s. Hold your cards close to your chest, you can never be sure who is sitting next to you. Ofcs. A,B,J,M & many more.
" you'll see the "merit hacks" all went to ghetto districts EXCEPT for 1 Sgt.....Signed a Merit Hack for the 13."
wow- jealous much----perhaps if you were meritorious for most time inside kissing ass and racking up mucho OT like the Sgt who went to 001---you would have gone someplace nice too....oh thats right, if they had successfully ramrodded you 13 in between classes---you would have went someplace nice, just like the first order said.
Here comes the liberal democratic spanish inquisition for CPD.
1/29/2016 11:08:00 PM
You missed the original Spanish Inquisition on the Department under Rahm. In anticipation of a Spanish backlash the Ballerina promoted a half dozen Command staff members in an all Spanish class.
It was the class that gave us Mario Pena so I guess he knew what he was doing.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Wow, reading this gave me chills. Usually everyone waited for the homicide det. to help and advise. Zero police control with this set up. From an old homicide detective, get an attorney before you talk to anyone if at all possible.
1/29/2016 07:00:00 AM
Remember what they always use to say, don't talk to anyone and wait for the homicide detective. That appears to have totally been changed. Be advised, request an attorney during any questioning. If you are ordered to do otherwise, get it on paper that you are being ordered to do something without your attorney. Get all the minutes of the interview on paper and get a copy.
The OCIC or Street Deputy have been meritoriously promoted at every opportunity of their careers. What do they know how to do? Walk a runway, give weightlifting tips, teach someone how to wash a tender age minor's mouth out with industrial soap. That child was not hers. That act was and is criminal. Are they going to hit on same sex officer's and get away with it and then get promoted again. YES AGAIN.
Can someone explain what they were promoted for. I don't recall any of them doing anything that merited a single promotion much less five or more. Oh yeah they are all politically connected and each is a wealth of tics off of a specific social groups. Yet their lacking in passing the examinations and being promoted in highest score order. Clout ...clout...political social group....specific orientations....specifically over promoted past their proven police skill ...and criminal acts and payouts for sexual embarrassments are not only allowed but what you are promoted for.... What a department....What a joke to put you lively hood in the hands of proven self preserving asshats.
Remember if you get in a shooting it's very stressful. I would advise all members who get involved in a fatal shooting to address the chest pains they have and the shortness of breath they are experiencing and get examined by a Doctor at a qualified hospital. Also it would not hurt to stay overnight at the hospital for observation. Remember your health is the most important issue. The investigation will take place but it's very important that you get the medical attention you require. Stay safe.....
Living for and leaving for Lake Geneva every chance I get. This job is just that a job. It's a means to an end and that end is retirement and then escaping this city and state.
Oz went to 025. Get your info straight
Holy shit!! This is insane! They will fuck up every aspect of the investigation. My advise to ANYONE involved in a shoot...DON'T SAY A FUCKING WORD UNTIL YOU TALK TO FOP!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"Police like you have no friends."
Okay, at the risk, perhaps the certainty, of the obvious reaction, a punctuation observation:
'Police like you have no friends', could be construed as: 'Police, like you, have no friends.'
Whilst, 'Police, like you have no friends.' cannot.
I'm just saying'......
1/29/2016 10:51:00 PM
"Police like you have no friends."
How can such a simple and innocuous
phrase inspire so much angst?
Or are you in some disagreement
with intent of the o/p?
Firstly , while I am not in Chicago or a LEO, the language in this document alone would dissuade me from ever wanting to visit Chicago. It seems pretty clear from the "notify the felony unit" and the ....interview to be conducted with the officer involved for "public safety".... shows a thin veil of contempt for law enforcement officers. This document sends a very clear message to those who chose to serve and protect the citizens and visitors of Chicago, if you ever need to use deadly force to save your life or someone else's , you are going to be charged as a criminal. Stay fetal .. stay safe.
Careful what you wish for.
http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20160113/OPINION/160119983/3-candidates-3-views-on-whether-outside-lawyers-needed-in-police
Anonymous said...
Not a cop----so what does it tell us?
1/29/2016 06:07:00 AM
It tells you 'no need to post here'. Instead, simply read the subsequent comments made by the working police and then you'll know 'what it tells us'.
1/29/2016 02:11:00 PM
Seen and not heard. Got it.
By any chance do you have blue eyes to match your blue shirt.....
Don't listen to that blowhard. Some people take themselves too seriously.
This department rewards stupidity and is a disgrace.
1/29/2016 12:42:00 AM
Every dept does.Its all for the chosen.
Anonymous said...
Holy shit!! This is insane! They will fuck up every aspect of the investigation. My advise to ANYONE involved in a shoot...DON'T SAY A FUCKING WORD UNTIL YOU TALK TO FOP!!
1/30/2016 11:27:00 AM
I would get a private attorney.
1/29/2016 08:35:00 PM
Signed a Merit Hack for the 13
1/29/2016 11:28:00 PM
Enjoy the pensions and seniority you stole from Officers that earned their promotions but will never receive them.
1/30/2016 06:20:00 AM
Why thank you, we will! Now get your whining ass back in your patrol car before I spar you. heehee
Although the procedures outlined by IPRA and proposed by the department may not affect an officer who his defending his life or another under the law, they absolutely affect the way the incident is to be properly investigated and they violate the State Statute which throws the detectives under the bus because under the statute the CPD dics can't be involved while being employed by same agency as CPD involved officer.
Apart from that IPRA will be submitting a report after investigation to The States Attorneys Office to determine if criminal charges are warranted.
Invoke your right to counsel and to remain silent. If City is claiming that IPRA is truly independent from the police department then you shouldn't have to make any statement to them and only administrative to your supervisors
Anonymous said...
Not a cop----so what does it tell us?
1/29/2016 06:07:00 AM
It tells you 'no need to post here'. Instead, simply read the subsequent comments made by the working police and then you'll know 'what it tells us'.
1/29/2016 02:11:00 PM
Seen and not heard. Got it.
By any chance do you have blue eyes to match your blue shirt.....
1/30/2016 07:21:00 AM
Sorry, brown. Donated all my (white) shirts to another female sergeant when I left. Anything else? ;-)
To all my Brothers in blue. Do nothing as you will be the fool who goes to jail. Please listen the writing is on the wall you will be sacrificed for doing your job. Let the streets run red with the blood of the assholes who do not want you there. Show up to roll call do the least possible and go home safe. If you do anything more you will got to jail. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stay safe
1/29@7:09pm - Mr FOP supporter: Since you like to question if a dissenting member is a professional police officer, why do you tell us to watch the FOP meetings on the website? I ask this because four different times I've called the office to get access to the member's only section and was transferred to "Doreen's voice mail." Still haven't received a call back -'still haven't gotten the password to access the member's section. But i' ve heard the hue & cry for donations for a sick animal belonging to Deano. Hey Deano, please step aside to let the 1st VP repair the damage that your ineptitude has created.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Stay Fetal Officers , Let them all Kill themselves
1/29/2016 04:34:00 PM
Retired guy here.
I understand the fetal thing is a response to the fact that you are videoed, watched and reported on by every civilian, reverand, social activist and the media. Your actions are scrutinized and dissected at every turn. So I get it. But, aren't you in a way empowering the bad guy? If Mr. Jagoff knows that he won't get stopped, if he knows that we are laying down, can't we expect him to take advantage? And trust me, he knows. To go deeper into 22, 16, the west end of 008 and where ever else we live? "They" are not just going to kill themselves, they will be in our yards, busting into our garages and homes, and robbing, at gunpoint, a man out walking his dog as in 022 recently? I know it's not easy but someone has to protect people who need protecting. Please. Figure out a way.
God bless and protect you all.
In Lake Co. IL, the Lake Co. Major Crimes Task Force handles all OIS. The task force is comprised of police officers/detectives and evidence technicians from many suburbs. The TF has a formalized set of policies and procedures, so being from a different department means nothing; you follow the TF protocols.
In Lake Co, the TF can have multiple detectives, as well as multiple ETs at a scene fairly quickly. And on the TF, the ETs are not just guys who are given some training, fingerprint powder and a camera. They have a great mobile crime lab. Also, the Lake Co. SAO participates in the investigation. Believe it or not, the facts are what come out of a TF investigation.
If the claim that "public trust" is eroded by having CPD conduct its own investigations of OIS, then the Cook Co. Major Crimes TF should conduct the investigations. The Cook Co. TF is just like the Lake Co. version.
"wow- jealous much"
Nope, just the opposite. You "bitches" never change. Don't want it but don't anyone else to have it either.
"Hey merit hack, stop acting like you're a fricken martyr"
They were earned in blood you D.B. and learn how to spell.
Anonymous said...
Not a cop----so what does it tell us?
1/29/2016 06:07:00 AM
It tells you 'no need to post here'. Instead, simply read the subsequent comments made by the working police and then you'll know 'what it tells us'.
1/29/2016 02:11:00 PM
Seen and not heard. Got it.
By any chance do you have blue eyes to match your blue shirt.....
1/30/2016 07:21:00 AM
Sorry, brown. Donated all my (white) shirts to another female sergeant when I left. Anything else? ;-)
1/30/2016 05:32:00 PM
Oooops. Stay safe. God Bless. Enjoy your retirement and hope all on this blog know that you are ALL appreciated by decent people everywhere.
I wonder how the new plan worked this morning? Police involved shooting. Stay safe, and keep quiet.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"When an officer-involved shooting has resulted in the death of a 'civilian person', IPRA will respond".
So, what I get from this is, if your sworn "non-civilian" partner has really been bugging you lately, you can shoot him/her dead and IPRA will not respond. What a loophole.
Watch your back, boys and girls.
Stay fetal.
And don't piss off your partner!!!!
1/30/2016 02:28:00 AM
FYI- people that are not in the Armed Forces are civilians.
Police are civilians,too.
What's obviously missing is the general order or special order addressing this change so nobody really knows what will or should happen on scene of the first ois which results in death in 2016. The best suggestion be well versed on the existing orders and contract so you know your rights and let everybody else figure out the rest.
And don't piss off your partner!!!!
1/30/2016 02:28:00 AM
FYI- people that are not in the Armed Forces are civilians.
Police are civilians,too.
1/31/2016 09:56:00 AM
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I'd explain the joke to you but I doubt that even then, would you understand.
You can make a statement after the CCSAO grants you Transactional immunity, in writing, to you and your attorney. I'd throw in copy for a witness or two in case your attorney crashes his or her car on the way home. Insist on immunity before any statements. Once its granted, record the interview yourself - advise all parties of such. Don't embellish, stick to the facts and don't lie. If you lie, you can be prosecuted for obstruction of justice, even with immunity, and your lies can be used to impeach you at later court proceedings, such as civil suits.
If the CCSAO won't grant immunity, even after the preliminary parts of the investigation are completed, your attorney will probably have a come-to-Jesus talk with you about your bleak future.
FYI, Administrative Proceedings Rights are a form of immunity. When you get them for a CR#, they are used to compel your cooperation under threat of termination, which is why they state you cannot be prosecuted for statements made after being given the rights. See Garrity V New Jersey; Kastigar V United States, and Kalkines v. United States.
Although these cases refer to federal employees and the employment rights they are given during investigations, CPD's version of Administrative Proceedings Rights are similar in nature.
1/29@7:09pm - Mr FOP supporter: Since you like to question if a dissenting member is a professional police officer, why do you tell us to watch the FOP meetings on the website? I ask this because four different times I've called the office to get access to the member's only section and was transferred to "Doreen's voice mail." Still haven't received a call back -'still haven't gotten the password to access the member's section. But i' ve heard the hue & cry for donations for a sick animal belonging to Deano. Hey Deano, please step aside to let the 1st VP repair the damage that your ineptitude has created.
The 1st VP is as inept as the President. Maybe even more so. He's in way over his head.
The mayor ran Ando off and now Fairly is running off anyone else at IPRA who she thinks is not anti-police enough. Those who won't buy into her anti-police bias and see her for the inexperienced and incompetent figure head she is are bailing on her left and right. The 1st Deputy, ex-DEA like Ando, and Chief Counsel have already left. The few others there with law enforcement experience are not going to be there much longer either. Soon all that will be left are the cop haters and hacks who were there before Ando brought in some experienced people. CPD, and IPRA for that matter, are doomed under Fairly.
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