ISR's
Anyone over at the Technology Section want to tell the class how big an increase or reduction there has been in citizen contacts? We're guessing there might be a light drop off:
Thanks to the dozen or so readers who sent this one in.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:31 AM
71 Comments:
Until the current Police Hating Administration leaves 1600 Pennsylvania Ave you can cram your ISR up your ASS. My heart breaks for the young single African American Mothers who will not be able to allow their children the simple pleasure of playing outside this summer. You can blame the current President for his racial pandering and divisiveness and him acting ,"Stupidly".
Ya no thx, I'll stay hidden in the shadows watching Netflix
Our jobs should not be measured by how many "contacts" or "investigative stops" we do. It should be measured by arrests made for crimes committed, and for crimes prevented. The latter is of course a number for which no stats can be created or that really can't be counted . . . . unless we can come up with some type of creative event number.
"Hey squad, I just drove by a bunch of gang members on the corner and they took one look at me and left the corner. Can I get an event number for 'person shot averted'"?
"Squad, I just drove by that beauty salon. Three suspicious characters were out front, looked at me and walked away. Give me an event number for 'robbery averted."
Then every month the superintendent can tell the public and the mayor how many event numbers we obtained, and therefore how many crimes were averted merely by our presence.
It can't be worse than the "Community Interaction" event number.
Just stay fetal and stay safe.
Is it still safe for the CPD to pull over white guys? Or is that also considered raaaaacism?
It's 01:30am, and I couldn't stop laughing when I saw this! You're a funny guy, SCC! How am I funny? Do I amuse you? Lmao!
Awesome! Coffee went through my nose! Stop it!!! LMAO!!!
Yea! Henry Hill. Awesome!!! Now I want to see the movie Goodfellas again! A fucking classic!
a light drop off ??? more like a cliff.
" I wonder about you sometimes Hendry, you might fold under questioning "
Here's MY receipt for MY neck pillow Sgt !!! LoL
I am done. Plain and simple. This department, state and country is looking to imprisson and hang cops. Fuck it, they protect the savage ones and go after us??? FUCK THIS!! I hate this city and most of the assholes in it!!! I'm gonna bleed this city dry by taking my pay check and doing nothing more then show up to work. Votes are what matter here folks, not crime, justice, citizens (see The Departed for spelling) or for damn sure the police. What were the totals??
CPD shot 16
Shitbags shot 2995
CPD killed 6
Shitbags killed 500
16 vs 2995??!!!?! CPD shot 0.5% of the assholes!! That's right!!! HALF A PERCENT!!!!!
FUCKING JOKE!!!! Remember BLACK VOTES MATTER!!!!!
Old Ray hasn't aged well. Have you seen him on that new show of his? Jennifer Lopez---Still hot.
There's still plenty of dummies doing them and some of the narratives are laughable.
So true. I carry 1 so that an inspector can wipe her communist Obama a@@ with it if I'm stopped by her. Or should I day him. I mean He/She/Shehehe.
The country is toast. If the FBI doesn't revolt regarding Hillary's e-mail scandle and demand an indictment then shouldn't the CPD have oversight over FBI?
Remember, the FBI doesn't wear body camera's or have dash camera's but you do. They're legit right!?!
America
down over 80% from last year at least..Dont let this get out..
LOL-very funny
Any Sgt who is still pushing their guys or even expecting them to make arrests, make stops or do work is a complete knob. There are still several tac and gang sgts who are still expecting people to go out and work... Stupid stupid stupid
Just keep citizen contacts to the bare minimum. Stay fetal.
It's amazing!!!the officer that came out to the district from the ivory tower looked so professional with his dry cleaned shirt, creases and tie. However, the information this guy provided and questions he was unable to answer were not. This guy tells us that if we arrest someone an auto populate ISR will be completed, however this is not the truth. Also with anov's if a stop receipt is necessary or not. Educate these house mice before they come to the district and spew farce. Reasonable articulable suspicion........send a fucking sgt.
IPRA is going to use this one stop order to "Sustain" hundreds of complaints against police officers. They don't know how to do a proper investigation but will add this charge to any investigation so they can get around the "Sworn Affidavit" requirement.
On a stop, the chances that someone is taping you with cell phone, in-car camera, or body camera is very high and if you do not do the stop 100% by the book you will pay with your head. You might even do the stop 100% by the book but not properly fill out the stop card and again you will be the example of how IPRA is cracking down on bad police officers. IPRA needs to show the public that they are disciplining officers. We just seen how the city "PROUDLY" told the news that they are disciplining officers for the in-car cameras. The public believes that officers are corrupt and news like this tends to prove there point when in fact the two times inspectors wrote up officers and their sergeant in my district it was because of faulty cameras that kept logging off the officers every time they shut off the vehicle.
The Independent Review Authority, Internal Affairs and Inspectors are not your friend. We are still the police and will do our job but don't let any boss con you into bending the rules to do something that violates any order or law. KW
Did that Isr the other night, yowza, what a pain.
In my district there have been numerous questions on when you have to fill out a "Stop Card" and which officer has to fill it out.
Example: one officer pulls over a car, with three males and two females in the vehicle, for going through a stop sign and calls for backup to be safe. A tactical team with three officers shows up and orders all the subjects out of the car and calls for a female for a search. Before the female arrives, one of the tactical officers pats down the outer coat of one of the females. The other tactical officers search the males. A third police car arrives with a male and female officer and the tactical team takes off to a "Robbery in Progress." The male officer and female search the five people again. No one is arrested and the driver is given a warning.
Who is required to do a "Stop Card?"
Doesn't each officer that did a search have to justify their reason in a "Stop Card?"
Doesn't the tactical officers have to do a "Stop Card" on everyone they forced out of the vehicle?
Does the original stopping officer have to do a "Stop Card" even though he did not request anyone to get out of the vehicle and he did not search anyone?
We have called the law department with several questions and they don't have a clue. All I can say is officers need to E-Mail (So you have written proof)their XO and Commander with questions and if you do get an answer or don't get an answer at least you have some justification if you are the subject of a complaint. Anything short of having it in writing will not help you when you are the subject of a complaint. My Sergeant told me to do it this way will not help you unless it is taped or in writing. KW
Funny!!!
But let's be honest.. most NON-MERIT sergeants like myself do not give a shit.
The appointed gold stars are the ones whose asses will be puckering.
Remember, the 3rd part of this new "ISR" training will be going to the auditorium at 35th Street. NOT THE ACADEMY. (Everyone in patrol I guess.)
That's where I imagine the command staff will beg us to keep doing these ISRs and attempt to tell us "they are not that bad.
This will give us all a great chance to basically to roll our eyes at them and non verbally tell them to go fuck themselves.
Lol!!
I always used to do work,
But now, when I think about work,
I think about ISR's.
Stay fetal, my friends, stay fetal.
"That's Funny...! You're a Funny Guy Joey..."
Zone 10 Dispatcher: "Are your lights and sirens activated?"
Mystery Unit: (Chasing white car from loud reports)
"No squad"
(whee-u whee-u whee-u whee-u whee-u....blaring in background)
Me: (LMFAO!)
Now that is some funny ass shit. Thanks for the laugh Office!
Chicago PD Brothers: You are demonized and hung out to dry by the vicious radical left. Please take your reports, do what you are ordered and don't put yourself in danger of being prosecuted by being in any way shape or form proactive. Let these evil bastards stew in the violent broth of their own making.
Whenever I see someone mean mugging me, I make sure to wave and smile as I drive away. It's very apparent they want a confrontation and their ghetto lottery check and I will not take the bait. That's about as close I get to interacting with people. Good day sir/madam!!
Ok now Im cramping. That was good... some straight up gangsta shit. xD
OT.....the protesters were suppose to march on Rahms house for 16 days. Did they give up or did Rahm tell the media not to cover them and maybe they would disappear?
...A tactical team with three officers shows up and orders all the subjects out of the car and calls for a female for a search...
and what would be the reason for that? Sounds like you have no clue what you do... If you pull them out of the car then you do ISR and explain what you did and why. Read the order, learn basics of the law...
On the other hand, bosses in a district on west side started shitting their pants, proactive work completely stopped, so now they come to roll call and tell us that answering calls is not enough, we have to stay pro active.
In my district there have been numerous questions on when you have to fill out a "Stop Card" and which officer has to fill it out.
Example: one officer pulls over a car, with three males and two females in the vehicle, for going through a stop sign and calls for backup to be safe. A tactical team with three officers shows up and orders all the subjects out of the car and calls for a female for a search. Before the female arrives, one of the tactical officers pats down the outer coat of one of the females. The other tactical officers search the males. A third police car arrives with a male and female officer and the tactical team takes off to a "Robbery in Progress." The male officer and female search the five people again. No one is arrested and the driver is given a warning.
Who is required to do a "Stop Card?"
Doesn't each officer that did a search have to justify their reason in a "Stop Card?"
Doesn't the tactical officers have to do a "Stop Card" on everyone they forced out of the vehicle?
Does the original stopping officer have to do a "Stop Card" even though he did not request anyone to get out of the vehicle and he did not search anyone?
We have called the law department with several questions and they don't have a clue. All I can say is officers need to E-Mail (So you have written proof)their XO and Commander with questions and if you do get an answer or don't get an answer at least you have some justification if you are the subject of a complaint. Anything short of having it in writing will not help you when you are the subject of a complaint. My Sergeant told me to do it this way will not help you unless it is taped or in writing. KW
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That isn't stopping a pedestrian. That's on the traffic stop study,
Our Sgt's have told us that they will not approve anything, as they have not been trained. They are 100% behind being fetal. Anyone doing anything is a goof. And to the CFD idiots crying racism, you are ooyfm.
Zone 7... Can I have a female for search in my stop.. Dispatcher: uuuhhh!!! What do you need again?. Male officer: (oohh shit, we are not allow to do narcotics search, how am I going to explain that in my ISR?) dispatcher I meant A female officer for my stop.. Why are PO's still doing all that non sense? We can only do pat downs with reasonable suspicious to believe that the person is or can possible be armed. What part of rule 14 you don't understand, what part of "probable cause is needed to stop, pat down, search and seizure" you Guys don't understand? Are you police officers aware that you will be thrown under the bus, indicted, fired, prosecuted, suspended, be on call back, and you will be used as an example for others and all these people are waiting for you to make a mistake. When you do street stops and traffic stops and you are not doing it by the book keep in mind the following people: Mayor, Anita, De-Escalante, IPRA, Media, BLM, liberals, FBI, Task Force prosecutors to prosecute Chicago police officers, integrity unit that rumors say they will be out there filming copers doing stops and making sure they follow the law. Come one guys!! How many more coppers need to go to jail or get fired to get the message?. Stay fetal!!! Get it? Stay fetal?l!!!!
On a stop, the chances that someone is taping you with cell phone, in-car camera, or body camera is very high and if you do not do the stop 100% by the book you will pay with your head.
You might even do the stop 100% by the book but not properly fill out the stop card and again you will be the example of how IPRA is cracking down on bad police officers.
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Isn't it kind of the point to follow the rules? And if you make a choice not to follow them that there are consequences?
While on Duty, I will fervently discharge my duty and take ISR's as serious as a bus check.
FYI. Due to an obvious job action, the department will now put up an ISR car to meet the quotas They will do nothing but street stops, and work 2nd watch Sat Sun dog. They can work in civilian dress, and not answer to any radio assignments.
You heard it here first!
In my district there have been numerous questions on when you have to fill out a "Stop Card" and which officer has to fill it out.
Example: one officer pulls over a car, with three males and two females in the vehicle, for going through a stop sign and calls for backup to be safe. A tactical team with three officers shows up and orders all the subjects out of the car and calls for a female for a search. Before the female arrives, one of the tactical officers pats down the outer coat of one of the females. The other tactical officers search the males. A third police car arrives with a male and female officer and the tactical team takes off to a "Robbery in Progress." The male officer and female search the five people again. No one is arrested and the driver is given a warning.
Who is required to do a "Stop Card?"
Doesn't each officer that did a search have to justify their reason in a "Stop Card?"
Doesn't the tactical officers have to do a "Stop Card" on everyone they forced out of the vehicle?
Does the original stopping officer have to do a "Stop Card" even though he did not request anyone to get out of the vehicle and he did not search anyone?
We have called the law department with several questions and they don't have a clue. All I can say is officers need to E-Mail (So you have written proof)their XO and Commander with questions and if you do get an answer or don't get an answer at least you have some justification if you are the subject of a complaint. Anything short of having it in writing will not help you when you are the subject of a complaint. My Sergeant told me to do it this way will not help you unless it is taped or in writing. KW
Answer: Don't pull over the car in the first place.
Does anyone have the actual numbers? I've only heard of 3-4 being done in my unit and that's because they were attached to an arrest ANOV or curfew. We can't be proactive anymore and we sure can't manufacture reasonable suspicion for the silly bosses anymore. Very good times for bad guys.
We don need no stinking contact cards.
Fucking priceless
2016. 900 Homicides
Some idiots are doing them
Forget the ISR form. It's longer than the arrest report. Complete waste of time. You might as well do the arrest and get the court.
One of theeee best movies, ever!
You really are a funny guy!
The amount of people still running around and getting involved is amazing....I guess wearing those jeans and a baseball hat are everything to some people. Enjoy your future headaches.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
On a stop, the chances that someone is taping you with cell phone, in-car camera, or body camera is very high and if you do not do the stop 100% by the book you will pay with your head.
You might even do the stop 100% by the book but not properly fill out the stop card and again you will be the example of how IPRA is cracking down on bad police officers.
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Isn't it kind of the point to follow the rules? And if you make a choice not to follow them that there are consequences?
1/08/2016 03:44:00 PM
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Let's remember that following the rules ONE HUNDRED PERCENT means delaying people until all resources have responded on name checks, license info, etc. It means no more play for citizens who seem like decent human beings. No warnings for broken tail lights. No ten minute leeway for curfews or armed security guards whose bus ran late.
One hundred percent by the rules isn't just about us being painfully polite to the citizenry and smiling nice for the cameras.
We have called the law department with several questions and they don't have a clue. All I can say is officers need to E-Mail (So you have written proof)their XO and Commander with questions and if you do get an answer or don't get an answer at least you have some justification if you are the subject of a complaint. Anything short of having it in writing will not help you when you are the subject of a complaint. My Sergeant told me to do it this way will not help you unless it is taped or in writing. KW
Heard exempts were screaming about this yesterday at compstat
Due to an obvious job action, the department will now put up an ISR car to meet the quotas They will do nothing but street stops, and work 2nd watch Sat Sun dog. They can work in civilian dress, and not answer to any radio assignments
Very interesting but stupid we aint got no job action and we aint got no quotas you dont sound like the po po- now excuse while I roger a 311 in progress
You might even do the stop 100% by the book but not properly fill out the stop card and again you will be the example of how IPRA is cracking down on bad police officers.
Hopefully IPRA will have "NOTHING" to investigate and might as well become a body removal service. 2016 is already looking to be a stellar year maybe it could be the highest for the last decade. I forgot what year Phat Phil got us under 500 murders; 2004, 5, 2006? cant remember. Oh the memories those hot 1990s summer nights the smell of gunfire in the air, yearly totals in the high 8s and even had some murder totals in the high 9s. Thanks for representing your constituents Kwamie and for all you other liberal retard legislators grab mops to help
wipe the streets of blood.
09:47:00 AM
Are you shitting me? Your problem is that you think you can search all these shitheads without pc. Your traffic stop allows you to pat down occupants, not search them. Please, for the good of all of us, do not make any stops. Get the basics down first then worry about isr's.
We had a car tonight do a stop on a car with a bad headlight. Car ended up having a dude with weed, dude with suspended D/L, a curfew, a dude with a warrant, and two others.
Case report, curfew report, weed inventory, numerous movers, several misd complaints, two arrest reports, numerous property inventories, tow/impound report, 5 ISR's.
This is what they get stuck with for trying to do even the most simple of things, thanks to all the rules and micro-managing by the dept. Stuck in the station all night.
I'm thinking they will not be doing another traffic stop for a while, and why should they.
It used to be a given that, when you saw a car riding deep, you put a stop on it, checked it out, and went back to work in short order (maybe some contact cards and a warning to the driver). Now, there is no way you are clearing from that stop in less than an hour, and that's without citations or an arrest.
The only thing the state law requires is that if you do a pat down or search of a subject on the public way, the subject gets a receipt. That is it. It seems pretty simple.
But as usual, the city takes a simple change and complicated the shit out of it with what could best be described as a city wide bureaucratic panic. All that was probably needed was an extra box on the automated contact card system that asked if you gave a receipt. But, their knee jerk over-reaction turned a simple card into a full page (front and back) report with multiple narratives and a brand new "integrity unit" to audit and investigate discrepancies. Add in the confusion of having to do them in certain arrest situations or in instances when other enforcement action such as having a citation issued and it is no wonder officers do not want to do them. Again, this is the city doing this, not the state law which only deals with receipts. Completely ridiculous and they should have expected a drastic decline in proactive police work with such a drastic unnecessary change.
While working I used to write a couple of contact cards and ANOVs, just enough to keep the white shirts off my back. I never want to be the center of attention. Now I won't be, as you won't even know I'm at work. I carefully read the DeEscalante PAX 501, the ISR order and the new force order. I'm following them to the letter. I plan to de-escalate my work product and performance immediately.
HAHAHA to all you coppers who voted not just once for Obama but twice. time to start changing the Illinois Senate and Congress, listen even if your a Democrate you must start to vote Republican weather you like it or not if you want this shit to stop in Illinois and Chicago.
What districts are actually filling out these forms? That would be "silly,silly,silly" to quote mumbles thief daley! You fill these out, make street stops subject yourself and your families to increased anti-police bias that could result in suspension,termination,lawsuit,prison not to smart are we?
If the tac teams arrives on the scene and does anything with your subjects then just tell them that their all yours now and leave.
"Yea! Henry Hill. Awesome!!! Now I want to see the movie Goodfellas again! A fucking classic!
1/08/2016 02:40:00 AM"
Henry Hill was a POS, Rot in Hell. Now go get your Shine box.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Does anyone have the actual numbers? I've only heard of 3-4 being done in my unit and that's because they were attached to an arrest ANOV or curfew. We can't be proactive anymore and we sure can't manufacture reasonable suspicion for the silly bosses anymore. Very good times for bad guys.
1/08/2016 05:44:00 PM
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And this is why things like this exist. You can't manufacture reasonable suspicion...
tac team arrives , starts patting down folks , notify dispatcher to dupe job out to tac team on scene and put yourself clear .
Many commenters are not sure when to write the Isr cards, what I remember from the video, which took an hour or 2 to watch, because its tricky, you have to do Isr with arrests, tss cards, anovs. Etc, and you cannot hold someone just because the name check has not yet come back clear.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
We have called the law department with several questions and they don't have a clue. All I can say is officers need to E-Mail (So you have written proof)their XO and Commander with questions and if you do get an answer or don't get an answer at least you have some justification if you are the subject of a complaint. Anything short of having it in writing will not help you when you are the subject of a complaint. My Sergeant told me to do it this way will not help you unless it is taped or in writing. KW
Heard exempts were screaming about this yesterday at compstat
1/09/2016 01:35:00 AM
This is good thinking...
If the Department put forth such intentionally obtuse,
hard to interpret/ implement, unclear, political appeasement
driven policy and neither the Law Department nor the Gold
Star exempts are incapable of providing direction?
Heh...
Then they get to hang with crooked necks from the
same scaffold they built expressedly for Policemen
to hang from...
The exempts can save their screams for
that drop through the trap door.
Who laughs at whom when everybody is twisting in the wind?
A lot more of this shit coming...
Poorly conceived, written and contradictory orders being crafted
because there are no learned and well seasoned street Cops
in policy positions.
...And Rahm wouldn't have it any other way.
He desires Police Bosses who are loyal and stick
to his script.
Having a True North on your moral compass
makes you a threat to Rahm.
You might fuck around and do what's right...
Anonymous said...
If the tac teams arrives on the scene and does anything with your subjects then just tell them that their all yours now and leave.
1/09/2016 11:00:00 AM
You touch them,they are YOURS.
Let's remember that following the rules ONE HUNDRED PERCENT means delaying people until all resources have responded on name checks, license info, etc. It means no more play for citizens who seem like decent human beings. No warnings for broken tail lights. No ten minute leeway for curfews or armed security guards whose bus ran late.
One hundred percent by the rules isn't just about us being painfully polite to the citizenry and smiling nice for the cameras.
1/09/2016 01:30:00 AM
Why do you morons continue to believe you don't have discretion? There is nothing saying you have to write every mover and compliance violation. Theta no reason you can't give someone leeway on any number of things. If you're on video stopping a car for no seatbelt, telling them to put their seatbelt on and have a nice day, you have done nothing wrong, and you can't be disciplined in any way for not writing a ticket. Where are you getting these idiotic ideas from, and what makes you feel like sharing them with the rest of us?
If the tac teams arrives on the scene and does anything with your subjects then just tell them that their all yours now and leave.
1/09/2016 11:00:00 AM
There's just a few problems with that plan.
1. That won't magically force the tac guys into finishing everything up the right way.
2. That won't alleviate you of any responsibility, since you initiated the stop, and you allowed them to get people out of the car you stopped.
3. If YOU stop someone, and they get patted down or searched while YOU have them detained, that's on YOU.
If someone else gets control over your stop, and starts patting down and searching everyone, the best you can do is suggest that they do the necessary paperwork, and inform their supervisor if they don't. If someone takes over your stop like that, get on the air, explain that the assisting tac unit has decided to take over the investigation, and clear yourself. That makes you look like a bitch, but so does allowing someone to take over a stop you initiated. If you decide to call for an assist, realize who you may get to help, and be prepared to tell them how you'd like them to assist. If you don't want anyone out of the car, tell them. If they see some reason to get someone out of the car, they have to justify that and fill out the necessary paper.
Are you shitting me? Your problem is that you think you can search all these shitheads without pc. Your traffic stop allows you to pat down occupants, not search them. Please, for the good of all of us, do not make any stops. Get the basics down first then worry about isr's
NOT ANYMORE you must have valid reason read the thing IL has eliminated the pat down FOR OFFICER SAFETY it is not one of the valid reasons
Just so you all know. If you submitt a ISR and the Sgt rejects it because it failed to meet the standards and then re submit it with the new version. Both copies are saved and sent to the ISR unit regardless and compared for any violations. If you didn't have reasonable suspicion and add it later in the re submitted version watch out hair gels.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
We had a car tonight do a stop on a car with a bad headlight. Car ended up having a dude with weed, dude with suspended D/L, a curfew, a dude with a warrant, and two others.
Case report, curfew report, weed inventory, numerous movers, several misd complaints, two arrest reports, numerous property inventories, tow/impound report, 5 ISR's.
This is what they get stuck with for trying to do even the most simple of things, thanks to all the rules and micro-managing by the dept. Stuck in the station all night.
I'm thinking they will not be doing another traffic stop for a while, and why should they.
It used to be a given that, when you saw a car riding deep, you put a stop on it, checked it out, and went back to work in short order (maybe some contact cards and a warning to the driver). Now, there is no way you are clearing from that stop in less than an hour, and that's without citations or an arrest.
1/09/2016 08:26:00 AM
Exactly Office! The old catch and release is over. Actually, there is a good chance I never do a TS or SS for the rest of my career and I got 10yrs left.
It will be a cold day in hell when I stop anybody. I'll be in one of my "holes" watching Netflix and YouTube if anybody needs me
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