Friday, February 05, 2016

Taser Taser Taser

Didn't a former supernintendo of the CPD end up working for Taser International?
  • Nearly 800 Tasers are being shipped to the Chicago Police Department to help cut down on deadly police shootings under a five-year $10 million contract with Taser International.

    The city just signed a contract with Taser and announced Thursday that more than 780 Tasers will arrive in Chicago soon. By June 1, every officer responding to calls for service will have one, police say.

    The additional number of Tasers brings the department's total to almost 1,500.
Now tell everyone that people armed with knives or bats still fall into the category of "assailant with a deadly weapon" and by law, are met with deadly force. Or is that not part of "having our backs"?

Then there's this:
  • But Richard Wooten, who heads up a group of retired African American cops, says Tasers are not the answer.

    "We're not thrilled about the Tasers. One thing about the Tasers, first of all in the winter time, they are less effective because of the layers of clothing," said Wooten, of the Gathering Point Community Council. "It doesn't have the impact that it would in the summer time. Secondly, you don't know the medical condition of the person you're utilizing the TASERS on."

    Wooten said he believes bean bag guns would be better, less harmful tools.

    "The bean bag gun is a non-lethal form, but it is much more effective than a Taser," Wooten said.
First of all, why does a retiree have anything to do with dictating current policy?

Second, bean bags are the ticket. What's the worst that could happen? John Kass could write a year's worth of articles on you shooting someone with a bean bag round that kills someone? Oh wait......



Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nerf guns

2/05/2016 01:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They are not Nonlethal!
They are LESS Lethal!

Light up the wrong person and they will DIE.
So will your career and your life for the next few years.

2/05/2016 01:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pfleger and the Revrunds should set up a 24/7 response squad.

CPD can secure the perimeter and Pfather Pfleger can disarm the situation without violence.
He can confront the suspect with the armor of God and Peace of our Savior.

2/05/2016 01:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This guy makes a valid point, tasers are useless on someone wearing layers, experienced this a few times myself.

2/05/2016 01:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And how much training will you get before they give you your taser?

2/05/2016 01:47:00 AM  
Anonymous outside lookin' in said...

Tasers aren't the answer - I agree.

There needs to be a class taught to young kids about police officers and what they need to do when a cop says "Stop" or "Drop it".

What you have today is a society that does not know how to respond to the police.

Maybe that Chris Rock video should be shown every year in school.

I don't care what you use, until this is implemented you are still going to have people disobeying and then their relatives crying about how they were treated.

2/05/2016 01:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


$10,000,000 for 800 tasers?
$12,500 per taser?

Please tell me there is more than just 800 tasers!
Any training and parts?
How about hookers and blow?

2/05/2016 02:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why didn't Wooten speak up when he was in uniform and on the job? Why wait til now when he's retired? It's probably because he was never much of a police officer when he was on the job in 007, he didn't like his coworkers and he didn't like the community he was supposed to be serving and protecting. He is a total hypocrite now: he totally feeds into the notion of a code of silence, because how can he criticize his former colleagues without people thinking, why did you keep your mouth shut then? Was it because you were enacting your own code of silence? Why didn't you speak up then? And as for him complaining about his former colleagues, quite a few of his fellow black officers at that time teamed up with gang members to rob other gang members and were convicted and went to jail for it. Their names do not merit mention, but those who know remember who they are.

2/05/2016 02:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I find the term "bean bag"offensive.

2/05/2016 02:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Violence is not the answer. Only love and understanding will work to bring harmony.

2/05/2016 02:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think someone related to this guy worked at the academy a few years back. IIRC, this one was an arrogant critter that made sgt.

2/05/2016 04:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Amazing! When Hilliard, the flunky for the verbally impaired Daley was Superintendent he would not allow the use of Tasers or Glocks. Now that he works as a spokesman for Taser, he endorses and profits from their use by CPD. I wonder what Glock had to pay and to whom. Baby"G"

2/05/2016 06:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can get cattle prods a lot cheaper than Tasers, even without the kickbacks, but probably would have to be PC-ed, maybe call them "motivators," or for the infantile members of the community, "light sabers?"

2/05/2016 06:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He must really love the job. He's continuing to butt in after retirement? Go enjoy life somewhere. A place where violence and corruption does not dictate public policy.

2/05/2016 06:19:00 AM  
Blogger Mr. SouthSide said...

Retirees should be limited to gatherings where they can exchange someone else's war stories.

2/05/2016 06:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wooten is just stating an opinion...and like any former member of the dept., he gets to do that.
I can't help but think about all those years when we had to take down mentals, people high on PCP, coke, etc...all by hand.
We piled on them, wore them down, got them into restraints, and transported either to hospitals (or the lockup) without tasers...but back then, we had ample numbers of police on the streets too.

retired guy

2/05/2016 07:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

remember this, confusion during a stressful situation

Former transit cop convicted in California subway shooting goes free
By the CNN Wire Staff

June 13, 2011 7:55 a.m. EDT
Johannes Mehserle had been behind bars since a Los Angeles jury found him guilty on July 8, 2010.

Johannes Mehserle had been behind bars since a Los Angeles jury found him guilty on July 8, 2010.
Johannes Mehserle walks out of prison early Monday
The former BART officer was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in Oscar Grant's death

Mehserle served one year of a two-year sentence because of credit for good conduct
Los Angeles (CNN) -- A former transit police officer convicted last year in the shooting death of an unarmed man on an Oakland, California, train platform was freed from prison early Monday morning, the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department said.

"He was released at 12:01 a.m.," said spokesman Steve Whitmore.

Johannes Mehserle was sentenced to two years in prison for the involuntary manslaughter conviction, but California law gave him one day of good conduct credit for each of the 365 days he served behind bars, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Robert Perry said in a court order he signed last week.

Mehserle has been behind bars since a Los Angeles jury found him guilty on July 8, 2010.

Mehserle, a Bay Area Rapid Transit police officer when the shooting occurred, said at the trial that he intended to draw and fire his Taser rather than his gun when he fatally wounded 22-year-old Oscar Grant on New Year's Day 2009.

Violent protests erupted in Oakland last November when Perry sentenced Mehserle to just two years in prison, which meant he could be released after another seven months.

2010: BART officer's sentence protested 2010: Demonstrators 'tear up' Oakland

Johannes Mehserle

San Francisco Bay Area Rapid Transit District
At least 150 people were arrested during the protests, which Oakland Police Chief Anthony Batts described at the time as "tearing up the city."

See damage caused by protesters

Grant's mother, Wanda Johnson, had asked the judge to sentence Mehserle to the maximum 14 years in prison. She and four other family members who spoke at the sentencing hearing last year called him "a murderer."

The jury acquitted him of the more serious charges of second-degree murder and voluntary manslaughter.

Although his defense attorney argued for probation, Mehserle told Perry before sentencing that he would be willing to go to prison if the sentence made his city and family safer.

"I shot a man," he said. "I killed a man. It should not have happened."

A conviction for involuntary manslaughter can carry a sentence of four years, but the judge had the option of adding an "enhancement" that could have made the sentence 14 years because a firearm was used in commission of a crime.

CNN's Rick Martin, Alan Duke and Greg Morrison contributed to this report.

2/05/2016 08:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I looked at that Taser prong. It's just under a half inch in length. Now the main target area they say is the back. Now what if a Taser prong hits the spine? Possible life long paralysis. Just because of one being an active resister?

2/05/2016 08:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If we issued Tasers to the savages, maybe they would use them instead of firearms and the homicide rate would go down. Hell, according to the department, it works on us

2/05/2016 08:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmmmm, all the new recording equipment in the interview rooms of the Areas are contracted through Taser Intl. as well

2/05/2016 09:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

About 10 years ago in Boston a woman was killed after getting hit by a bean bag in Boston. I think she was climbing a fence or something in one of the anti-war demonstrations (she fell?), but it was a big deal there for awhile.

2/05/2016 09:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

While the media is all agog over the magic of TASERs, Wooten's criticism and statement about the shortcomings and hazards of their use is correct.

And it use is not without health risk. If one is worried about the health effects of a TASERing the one should not put themselves in such a risky situation

Beanbag gun? Another thing to carry and control in close quarter situations.

And it is an impact weapon with its side effects. It too has been known to be fatal.

Any physical altercation or interaction generates health risks.

Safest bet: OBEY THE LAW

2/05/2016 10:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tell that Retiree he has no skin in the game and to fade quietly into the sunset!

2/05/2016 10:43:00 AM  
Blogger Transmaster said...

The US Marines experimented with non lethal methods to subdue people bean bags were one of the thing they tried. They didn't work worth a damn, they tried the same thing loaded with lead shot instead of plastic balls, same difference just a larger bruise. When you have a 300 pound drug soaked thug rolling in on you a Taser, a bean bag is not going to protect your life when that sweet innocent never hurt a fly grandchild is trying to kill you. Only an introduction to Mr Pistol and his friends is going to save the day.

2/05/2016 11:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I used a Taser on a Mental with a knife it didn't work,She was wearing a coat,But the noise scared her and she dropped the knife,approach a Mental with multipe tools.

2/05/2016 11:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shut up Wooten no one cares what you think you were a dogass as a police officer now your an expert on policing. We all know you want to run for alderman again that's why you have to be in the spotlight.

2/05/2016 11:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder if this retired guy carries a gun now that he is retired.
And is this gun with bullets or bean bags as its source of power.
It would be interesting to know.

2/05/2016 12:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Terry Hillard makes millions more grandpa raking it in as taxpayers as rolled over by another overpaid contract now terry who gets the "rahm tax" envelope?

2/05/2016 12:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The tasers are junk. Can't trust them.

2/05/2016 06:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A woman was killed by bean bag outside fenway park at a, Boston red sox game, I believe 2004.

2/05/2016 06:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Worked with Wooten in 007. Instead of being an englewood ranger, he was more like an englewood stranger.

2/05/2016 10:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


$10,000,000 for 800 tasers?
$12,500 per taser?

Please tell me there is more than just 800 tasers!
Any training and parts?
How about hookers and blow?

Tasers cost around $800-1400 depending on the model/features. It's the damn cartridges and batteries. Training cartridges cost like $10 each. You need to use 2 per each officer certifying. Plus 2 regular cartridges per each taser, those costly too depending on distance for deployment. Plus spare cartridges need to be bought for each officer. One use only.
Holsters for tasers are probably $30-40 each.
The batteries are costly also. And many spare batteries are needed to have in reserve. If you test the taser daily as recommended,battery life is shortened. The batteries cannot be recharged.the tasers use a unique taser only battery.
Plus then consider training software for computer, and the taser download software, download cords for the taser report after they are fired, It adds up really fast.

2/05/2016 10:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just FYI to people taking the class for this MANDATORY taser training, 1st Taser has them give u a waiver saying you or anyone on your behalf will NOT sue them if you get injured using their product! Do not sign that because part of class is how they can ignite certain products. 2nd Taser says not to use on mentals! So who is backing you up in court? And along with #2 the scenerio they drill in your head is a man with a bat! Hmmm wasn't that shooting a mental that Taser says NOT to use their product on? I am not waiting to see if the prongs stick while someone is coming at me with ANY blunt object!

2/05/2016 11:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let ask his daughter, the Sgt in 18 who asked PO's to drop charges against her friend for AggBatt to PO X8 and armed robbery. Hard to tell what side she's on. Please make it easy and send her anywhere but here.

2/06/2016 12:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In Mesa Az and the Police Officer had training in crisis intervention and tasers. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. Stay safe.

Allen said she called police Thursday to ask that they check on Jacobs after the 24-year-old sent a suicidal email that morning asking that someone care for her dog, Sampson.
Allen questioned whether it was necessary to shoot Jacobs.
"I wasn't there, so I don't know how she was behaving," Allen said. "I wish they had been able to use non-lethal restraint, if they could have used a Taser or a beanbag gun.

Read more:

2/06/2016 12:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Chalkie said...

Blogger Mr. SouthSide said...

Retirees should be limited to gatherings where they can exchange someone else's war stories.

Ouch Brother... I pray that all P.O.'s stay alive to 55 & get to enjoy retirement...

2/06/2016 07:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But the best was when you lit someone up with the taser and a fellow jackass next to him shouts
"Police made em ride the lightning" LOL

2/06/2016 09:38:00 AM  
Blogger Lane said...

And there you have it, makes me extremely angry.

2/06/2016 04:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm no mathematician but...$10 million for 780 tasers?
Works out to $12,820 bucks a piece.
So how come you can get 'em on-line for under $100?

2/06/2016 11:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tasers don't solve everything, and are ineffective against winter clothing a lot of the time. Beanbags can be marginally better but same kind of limitations. The transition away from "hands on" the last decade has a couple negative effects. First, it allows people who shouldn't be in law enforcement to stay in using these types of crutches to hide their fear and inability to do what needs to be done. Second, the more these little gimmicks are used the more people begin to expect they will be the solution to everything since they're so nice and non-lethal. Using one of these little distractions in a scenario where deadly force is justified just reinforces the idea we will gamble our safety to use little tricks in order to spare the life of someone who has set up circumstances which should reasonably be expected to put their life in jeopardy.

2/07/2016 10:48:00 AM  

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