Again with the Parolees
- A man released on parole last year has been charged with a shooting that left a 17-year-old girl dead and a woman injured in south suburban Harvey last month.
Chase Holden, 30, was charged Friday with first-degree murder and aggravated battery with a firearm, according to Harvey spokesman Sean Howard.
About 10:30 p.m. Feb. 17, a man police later identified as Holden knocked at the door of an apartment at 14626 S. Halsted St. and asked about drugs, Howard said. A few minutes later, eight bullets were fired into the apartment.
Isn't using, buying, trafficking in drugs a violation of parole? How about having a gun after a felony conviction? And murder, we're pretty sure that is against the law, too. You know who doesn't seem to murder anyone with any sort of regularity? People housed in prisons. Sure it happens sometimes, but not as often as it seems parolees manage to.
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posted by SCC at 12:21 AM
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Hold on a minute, drugs were involved? According to the aclu our president and all other libtards say that drugs are a victimless crime and does not lead to violence, hence why the aclu says you can't search a person who has drugs on them bc the 4th amendment protects people who are in the act commiting a crime. So this drug violence has to be wrong, just life the huge spije in violence has nothing to do with the aclu new way of pansering to criminals
Judges, killing off the population one parole/probation at a time
Be serious, you can't keep people of color in prison for their entire sentence. You have to let them out early on parole. Our own president says so.
Reopen Tamms and the death chamber. Lethal injection is for beloved terminally ill pets in pain.
Bring back the electric chair. Of all these sleazy politicians, it was that disgraced scoundrel felon George Ryan that brought about the capital punishment "moratorium".
This is the real problem. Setting all these predators out into the community. Let's say you have a jail that holds 300 convicts. If you give them all sentences where you never want to let them out. You have no room and no money. They need the death penalty back and back in a big way. Bring back hangings.
Punishment does work if applied correctly. There are cases with video and DNA to ensure guilt.
This is just going to get worse if Preckwinkle's Puppet becomes state's attorney.
Another system failure.
I really wonder what judges are thinking of or doing on the bench, it really baffles me. This is is getting ridiculous with judges and paroles or probation for criminals, wtf are they gonna be investigated for negligence. I'm mean for real who really monitors judges behavior or constantly making bad decisions on offenders who should not be out. Hey Chuck Goudy pull up all those repeated offenders both juveniles and adults that have violent crimes and are given a child like time out, without being held accountable, don't go to far just the last 3 yrs will probably she'd a huge spotlight on the court systems nonsense...
No FOID charge
Make prisons here like those in third world countries. Harsh living and punishment.
Was it an innie or an outie? Oh wait, doesn't matter because it happened in Harvey.
New. Revalations. Regarding. The oj Simpson. Case. A. Retired. O25. Gallows. Reported has revealed. Its was. The Ears. If. The. Ears don't fit. You must. Acquit
Obama/Holder and Quinn opened the prison gates and loosed boatloads of convicts onto the streets through their early release programs.
The damage will be felt for years if not decades.
Even the local Republicans are getting in on the act, which proves once again that there's really no difference between Republicans and Democrats:
http://foxillinois.com/news/local/criminal-justice-reform-gets-bipartisan-support-03-03-2016
The pitch to the idiotic voters is that the state will save money. Really? How much does one murder cost? How much will taxes have to be raised to protect ourselves against criminals who shouldn't be on the street?
What's really going on is that politicians are caving into the political pressures of leftists and certain demographics that are, uh, overrepresented in the population of criminals. Taxpayers will pay a heavy price for the weak kneed caving in by politicians to pressure groups.
The ultimate farce is that none of this will save money at all. In the long run letting felons roam the streets will actually cost taxpayers much more than keeping them locked up. Aside from the obvious costs, how much will we and our children have to pay for the children these felons will spawn when back on the street?
If you can find it, read this excellent article:
"The Myth of Mass Incarceration" by Barry Latzer, Wall Street Journal, Feb. 22, 2016
Is the list for Lt. out to see what district they are going to.
Lets see his FOID card. Oh, wait he can't have one.
Oh, and you CAN stop someone based on an anonymous call. Read the US Supreme Court ruling of the California traffic stop based on exactly that situation. Affirmed 5 to 4. Thirty second Google search.
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And,Irregardless of what the Supreme Court ruled you WOULD be violating the depts new policy and violating the provisions of the new ACLU agreement. Is it worth it?
Somewhere there's a bleeding-heart libtard member of the parole board thinking nonsense like this: ..........
----- 'But...but...but...he was a 'Model Prisoner' and didn't kill anyone while in prison. He swore to us on the Parole Board that he **turned his life around** while incarcerated and promised us he wouldn't kill anyone if released on parole. I can't believe he broke his promise.' -----
It's too bad there isn't some way to hold responsible, Parole Board Members who *repeatedly* make these boneheaded decisions and votes to release documented predators back into society. I don't mean someone who occasionally gets taken in by these life-long predators and falls for their line of bullshit, and votes to release them on parole. Nobody is perfect.
But dammit to hell this: 'Parolee arrested for murder, rape, etc, etc,' crap isn't some anomaly. It happens over and over and over again. Which you guys and gals know better than anyone. And the sickening thing is that the ones who suffer for these asinine decisions is society.
There has to be a record kept of how each Parole Board Member voted for each inmate so finding a Member(s) whose always voting to release the wrong inmate. THEY have to be held responsible -- somehow. Exactly how, I admit, right now I don't know. As they say, that's above my pay grade.
Maybe the answer for Predators is NO Parole, keep them locked up. That's okay by me. We have more than a few empty prisons in IL that we could fill. If required build more of them. That's Tax Money put to a good use -- protecting society.
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ps: In some respects you can't fault the Predator whose released and almost immediately commits a violent crime, that's what they do. It's like blaming a Scorpion for acting like a Scorpion.
Parole? Illinois scam and joke. I have a relative who needed an address to get out of prison. He just gave an address and a telephone number. The state never checked out the address. Of course my relative never went there to live, just went from couch to couch, was arrested at least once, is high all of the time or drunk, does not work. All he has to do is call his parole officer now and then. It is a system of no watchdogs at all. He is back to his old game of stealing and selling drugs. He told me once when he was locked up in CCJ that it is easy to get drugs inside. They are everywhere. Some jail. Some parole system. Pretty much like what the rest of the state is like. Full of holes, no oversight, no accountibilty.
Dart and Peckerwinkle can't expect the community to vite for them if they don't let their peoples (or folks) out of jail/prison early.
So if it's between cutting your pension over incarcerating parolees you opt for lock'em up everytime?
Brilliant, another fine example of misguided principle over personal economic security.
We need a Governor who will keep convicts incarcerated. When Pat Quinnochio took office, one of his first fumbles was to parole several hundred convicts in order to balance the budget. Now, it seems that Rauner is pulling the same shit on a less frequent basis.
And keeping the ISP up to strength has not occurred since Blago was governor. But we gonna spend $500M as the states contribution to the Obummer Library, thanks to Midget Madigan.
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Isn't using, buying, trafficking in drugs a violation of parole? How about having a gun after a felony conviction? And murder, we're pretty sure that is against the law, too. You know who doesn't seem to murder anyone with any sort of regularity? People housed in prisons. Sure it happens sometimes, but not as often as it seems parolees manage to.
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SCC, also don't forget, other people who don't commit crimes are those who have been electrocuted in the electric chair, or given a lethal dose of drugs to end their lives. These SHOULD BE acceptable ways of punishing criminals who commit murder. Not a PO here, but just want to say, for some reason in our fucked up society, the person who commits murder ends up having more rights and privileges than the person(s) he/she's murdered.
There was a time when punishment for a crime WAS A DETERRENT to others for committing that same crime. But again, today, most people don't even know what deterrent means - they were raised by a generation of parents and society that DIDN'T punish for wrong doing.
I know I'm mostly preaching to the choir here, but let me say to the rest of you, when the moral code of a society like ours continues to erode, this is what we should expect. I don't care if you are a Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist whatever. If we continue to throw away the moral absolutes that we can all agree on, e.g. "Life is sacred", then we should expect this shit.
If we could deport just the criminally dangerous illegals and keep the most dangerous in jail for a reasonable amount of time we wouldn't have a violent crime problem.
It is so simple, why can't our politicians grasp that concept?
He'll be back on the streets in no time.
No different than the other zillion attempted/murdering thugs roaming around.
Jails are too black and brown. This offends me. I need a safe space from the ugliness of reality. Just make the jails equal parts black,brown,white and asian. But not Native-American. In fact go ahead and make them the jailers. This makes us all even and corrects for all the injustice of the past.
The Bleeding ❤
It seems as though the pols are hoping that the concealed carry people will end the problem caused by probation and parole.
"So if it's between cutting your pension over incarcerating parolees you opt for lock'em up everytime?
Brilliant, another fine example of misguided principle over personal economic security."
Bullshit. Why should it cost so much to keep these lowlifes on ice? Let them dig ditches all day for bread and water for fuck's sake and KEEP THEM THERE.
Better yet, make a deal with one of the former Russian sattelites to lock them up and let the absolute lowest bidder get the work.
To add to the confusion about search/seizure based an an anonymous tip check out this case.
Florida v. J. L., 529 U.S. 266 (2000), held that a police officer may not legally stop and frisk anyone based solely on an anonymous tip that simply described that person's location and what he or she might look like but that did not furnish information as to any illegal conduct that the person might be planning.
The police got a gun from this mope, but got spanked in court.
Bottom line is you have to know what you are doing and be able to articulate it well for survival.
Is the list for Lt. out to see what district they are going to.
Yes and all the merit slugs are going to nice districts. What a surprise huh.
Build It And They Will Come Department --
Police warn of robberies on The 606 trail
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-police-warn-of-robberies-on-the-606-trail-20160304-story.html
"Chinese Hanging"
Put a stout, circular wooden collar around his neck and
suspend it from a scaffold while he stands on a pile of bricks.
Let the family members of the victim use long poles to prod
one brick at a time from the pile.
Oh yeah.
Asshole's hands and feet are free...
>Flailing, crying and shitting trying to feel around
with his toes for a brick to stand on<
More tender mercy than most murder victims are given.
"Society's just retribution is racist an' shit!"
How is it that death worshipping,
Habitually rotten m/fers are even
allowed to thrive?
Brought to by the Democratic Party, the party that's been a pain in the ass since the 1820s
States attorneys and judges have no concept of the sex offender laws and continue to let these dangerous felons out to prey on kids. Fact.
You know who doesn't seem to commit crimes either? Dead criminals...SUPPORT THE DEATH PENALTY!!!
A troll has learned that this is what is known as the Preckwinkle affect. You see, there are too many people in jail so she thinks for drug crimes. So lets reduce that number down from about 10k locked up in CCDOC in the late 90's to about 7500 now and see what happens. We can talk about the number in IDOC later if you want. But it is what the people want because they continue to vote for these idiots and make no mistake, Preckwinkle is one of the bigger idiots to advocate such nonsense.
These crook county liberal morons claim to be anti gun, but parole every criminal with a gun as soon as they can.
"Parole is just a bad idea all around:"
"Former Chicago police Cmdr. Jon Burge is scheduled to be released from federal prison this fall, moved to a halfway house for six months and then be freed on parole next February, according to a letter from the U.S. Bureau of Prisons sent to his victims." - February 23, 2014|By Steve Mills, Tribune reporter
The president has pledged to release 6,000 federally convicted "non-violent" drug offenders. But the drug trade is inherently violent. And since no one does federal time for mere possession, virtually all these criminals have pleaded down from greater offenses. Bad idea that will have negative "disparate impact" on innocent people living in violence plagued inner cities. This should be an issue in the upcoming political campaigns with candidates from both parties and for all offices asked whether they agree with the president's bad decision.
"If we continue to throw away the moral absolutes that we can all agree on, e.g. "Life is sacred", then we should expect this shit. "
You have not seen a lot of the world or read your history. Mankind has never in practice or even in theory agreed that life is sacred.
That is something much more rare than you would think. That is the underlying problem with people; they can't see themselves doing it so they assume no one else could either. Just because the family and friends you have share that view doesn't mean squat to the criminal class. The have no respect for life. They do not share your morals and values.
And if you find yourself outside of the US, Canada, Australia and what use to be Europe, you will not see life is sacred but rather the exact opposite.
This is the real problem. Setting all these predators out into the community. Let's say you have a jail that holds 300 convicts. If you give them all sentences where you never want to let them out. You have no room and no money. They need the death penalty back and back in a big way. Bring back hangings.
I agree. But how many would death penalty get rid of like 1 every 10-20 years by the time all appeals are exhausted??
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"Parole is just a bad idea all around:"
"Former Chicago police Cmdr. Jon Burge is scheduled to be released from federal prison this fall, moved to a halfway house for six months and then be freed on parole next February, according to a letter from the U.S. Bureau of Prisons sent to his victims." - February 23, 2014|By Steve Mills, Tribune reporter
3/05/2016 08:11:00 PM
You DO know Mr. Burge was not convicted of a violent crime, right?
5 Mar @4:20pm - You have won the "Post of the Week" Award for the new term in our Chicago Criminal Justice Dictionary! The Prickwrinkle Effect !!! All SCC readers should realize that there is little we can do to nullify the Prickwrinkle Effect but this March 15th we can strike a direct hit by voting AGAINST Kim Foxx! There is a republican primary candidate running unopposed that you can vote for in November. If you take a dem ballot make sure that Foxx does not get your vote. If you live in the 22nd legislative district vote against Midget Madigan. Too bad you can't crossover vote in the Primary but those are the rules that da dems keep in place.
Anyone have a good phrase for Dart's follies?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
New. Revalations. Regarding. The oj Simpson. Case. A. Retired. O25. Gallows. Reported has revealed. Its was. The Ears. If. The. Ears don't fit. You must. Acquit
3/05/2016 09:13:00 AM
What in the actual fuck did I just read? Gotta be a former CPS student.
"Parole is just a bad idea all around:"
"Former Chicago police Cmdr. Jon Burge is scheduled to be released from federal prison this fall, moved to a halfway house for six months and then be freed on parole next February, according to a letter from the U.S. Bureau of Prisons sent to his victims." - February 23, 2014|By Steve Mills, Tribune reporter
3/05/2016 08:11:00 PM
Burge was railroaded by people that knew better but threw him under the bus. That was THE crime. He never should have been sent to jail to begin with. I'd be proud to have him in my community. Rahm and other criminal politicians, not so much.
And how many times have you called to report that your relative is not staying at the address he is paroled to? Good job being part of the problem and encouraging crime. Dumbfuck.
I don't care if you are a Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist whatever. If we continue to throw away the moral absolutes that we can all agree on, e.g. "Life is sacred", then we should expect this shit.
3/05/2016 11:22:00 AM
If life is sacred, why did god, by whatever name, create death?
And, no, so I can have fun is not a worthy answer.
Chalkie
This parole nonsense is all what senator Patricia Van pelt and Kim foxx are into. Any vote for either of them is a vote to leave your kids without a parent as they both relate to criminals and gang members more than to victims. They grew up in that environment and are loyal to the gangs. That scumbag Lamond Reccords is working on Kim foxx campaign. And Patricia Van pelt is paying crook rev Robin Hood with state dollars. Shameless and corrupt.
Anonymous suggested:
"The Myth of Mass Incarceration" by Barry Latzer, Wall Street Journal, Feb. 22, 2016
3/05/2016 09:16:00 AM
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myth-of-mass-incarceration-1456184736
Great read - supported by facts and sources - thanks for sharing. Author concludes: " A growing consensus now supports making the criminal-justice system less punitive. But prison rates won’t drop dramatically unless serious crime declines further, which is unlikely. It certainly didn’t happen in 2015, when homicides in the 50 largest U.S. cities increased 17%. Nor are racial disparities likely to diminish so long as African-Americans commit a disproportionate number of violent crimes".
Follow Larry Elder - he sez same/similar.
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