Friday, March 04, 2016

CompStat Disconnect

First up, we have this from an alert reader:
  • Edwin C. Yohnka, Director of Communications and Public Policy ACLU Illinois spokesman this morning on WLS AM radio told host that ACLU is VERY pleased that the desired result of less police street stops is being accomplished now. Yohnka said that there is absolutely "NO correlation between street stops and crime rates."
Of course, Yohnka cites exactly zero facts to support this contention. He just spouts it and ::VOILA:: it must be true, because everyone knows the ACLU would never lie to promote an agenda, right?

We, on the other hand, will cite decades worth of actual street knowledge and personal observations - if the jagoffs aren't feeling pressure to behave, they're going to push, push, and push until they come up against resistance. And that means selling dope, carrying guns, settling old feuds, robbing, raping, pillaging. Lo and Behold, murders are up along with robberies, rapes, and thefts.

Who are you going to believe, the ACLU or your own lying eyes?

Now, we get this report from a CompStat attendee:
  • There is a big disconnect going on at Compstat between Mcnaughton's brain and Department policy. He keeps harping on these District Commanders for ISRs in areas where there are shootings. According to the Chief, police should be stopping and ISRing known members of the gangs involved in the conflicts if they are out on the streets.

    Likewise, for robberies he suggests doing ISR's on known robbers in the area and generally doing more street stops on people where the robberies are occurring.

    No, we are not going to do that! The department put on paper exactly when we can and cannot conduct a street stop. The above situations do not meet the criteria 35th put out for public consumption. Even an anonymous call with a description is no longer in and of itself enough to conduct a Terry stop (according to the training materials). Let your readers know that the bosses are gonna be coming in and trying to pressure them in to making illegal stops based on Mc Naughton's misguided advice.
Has a single exempt department member attended ISR training yet? Do they have any idea how goofy the training is? It's changed at least twice now, mostly based on questions that arose during "What if..." scenarios and the fact that the form itself has now been altered in a major way.

Reasonable Articulable Suspicion based on the conclusion that a crime will occur, has occurred or is occurring. Anonymous call? Not good enough. Gathering on the corner? Nope. Running away at the approach of an officer? The Supreme Court said "No" many years ago. Even membership in a criminal organization, absent any other factors, isn't enough to stop someone. But McNaughton wants gang bangers stopped on the public way? Known robbers? Based on what exactly?

Here's the facts - the Department has seen street stops fall by nearly 90% (87% is the last figure we saw.) Certain units, like Saturation Teams, Tact, Homan Square units, have ramped up stops because they have something they can be threatened with - a voluntary spot from which they can be dumped. Same thing with all their white shirts, same with all the commanders and other exempt staff. If they want to put their careers at risk, their assets, their livelihoods and the comfort of their families, well, they're all over 21.

But remember what happened to other units that threw their lot in with the Department brass when the shit hit the fan - disbanded, sent back, not to the Districts they left, but to Districts, far from home. And then the Department closed bid spots for over a year, nearly two years if we recall, with something like under 50 spots total, and none in what we would label "desirable" assignments.

There is no more "gray area." Stopping known jagoffs just to let them know that you know they're in the area is a thing of the past. Every traffic and street stop we've been doing this year has been filmed, if not by our own cameras, then by someone walking by. Every homicide scene has five or ten cameras filming. Even domestics we get called to, some relative whips out a phone and starts recording.

It's enough to drive you mad.

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183 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mcnaughton is a goof. Was disliked in area central and is the biggest micromanager around.

3/04/2016 12:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do your own leaders read their own orders?

3/04/2016 12:46:00 AM  
Anonymous 29 and a day said...

Im retired almost 10 years The ACLU the DOJ Rahm and Obama want to hang you DO Not give them any rope

3/04/2016 12:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You guys think the units are doing work still??? Hahahahaha. Not the case. Our team in gangs has done a total of less than 10 isr reports since it began. You're right about the threatening part, dept chief ryan and cmdr negode scream at everyone to bring in activity or get dumped. What a couple of ego maniac yes men. This isn't 1985 anymore. The department has changed. We can be forced into doing work. You wanna dump us then do it. I'll be at the media so fast you'll crap yourself. Bosses demanding numbers at all costs including forcing unconstitutional stops?? Yeah media will love it. Ryan, negode and the others can threaten all you want I'm not doing anything. Just know, I'm always recording

3/04/2016 12:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the ACLU is supposed to be the foremost expert on these things, that apparently we are turning to so we can "right our ship",
And the ACLU says that reduced street stops/ISR's does not allow crime to flourish.....

Then WHY ARE THE BOSSES DEMANDING THEM?

I thought the experts already said that doing more stops/ISR's won't reduce crime?

3/04/2016 12:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

These bosses are THE BIGGEST AND MOST DANGEROUS ASSHOLES IN THE WORLD! The shit they tell us to do is unlawful and completely against their GO they signed off on. Pay no attention to them and just do your job within the law and department orders. They expect patrolmen to empty the ocean with a spoon. Stat driven self interested monsters sitting inside out of harms way physically and financially

3/04/2016 12:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not going to do one unless I manage to get an arrest that requires one. McNumbnutz, I will not get fired, I will not take my ass to federal court because the ACLU looks at my paperwork and decides I screwed up. I won't take the chance. My life is important to me.

Our DC was at a roll call insisting that beat cars bring in 5 ISR's a month. Not I. You can dump me off the car I work, you can change my start time, I'd like to be early once in a while. There isn't a motherfucking thing you can do to me. Oh boy, you'll deny my time off! Asswipe, I had jobs before this one, after 5 years I got 3 weeks vacation. I never called in sick there either. I know ALL ABOUT not having time off. So that threat makes me oh so nervous... I used to love this job. Now, I dread coming in, the bosses are assholes except our one Lt. The public has been brainwashed to believe we're all murderers, restaurant staff gives you shit, the politicians throw us under the bus and I'm supposed to be happy?

3/04/2016 12:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And a white shirt telling you to stop somebody is NOT reasonable articulable suspicion and saying you were following a direct order will not help you in your lawsuit. You will be the one who gets fucked because regardless of what the white shirt said you didn't have reasonable articulable suspicion to make the stop. You will get bent over. You will get fucked. You will not get a reach around.

3/04/2016 12:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off-topic, but relevant --- Seems Mike Madigan is getting worried one of his opponents might take the primary. Two are Madigan 'plants', put there to dilute the challenge of Jason Gonzales. He's 41 and has a master's in public administration from John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard.

I'm going to throw fifty toward Jason's campaign, if only to rattle Madigan. SOMEONE has got to move this boulder off the throne.

He's also a convicted felon so keep giving him your money.

3/04/2016 12:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am so glad the ACLU is pleased, of course the general public will believe them over a Police Officer, after all what does a Police Officer know about crime ? Stevie Wonder could see the correlation between fewer street stops and greater crime. Did any of the powers that be ever wonder if there is no connection then why is the Brass so upset that there are fewer stops and pushing so hard for more. You would think they would be pleased the ACLU is happy.

3/04/2016 12:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I miss being on the Area 3 Sat team, When Jim Mauer was the Deputy Chief he would of told the ACLU to FUCK OFF.We have a Pussy Squad running this Dept.

3/04/2016 01:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Logic is Raaaacist.

Cause and Effect are patriachal concepts that have no place in modern social theory.

3/04/2016 01:04:00 AM  
Blogger 30 pending and what said...

ACLU=0110, about 100 times so far.

3/04/2016 01:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about just ONCE these arrogant one way dopes come to the meeting and say, "we know these are very difficult times for the police and we appreciate the hard work under the circumstances. Please tell the officers back in the units this and to do the best they can and to operate within the law and department orders. But most of all tell them to be safe." A simple statement like this would go a long way but we know these big bosses would never speak those words and that's why no one trusts them. All they do is spew negativity and that's shameful and proof it's all about them.

3/04/2016 01:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey you jerk boss....the law and GO clearly States we can't stop someone just because they may be a known gang member. And do "Robbers" walk around with a sign identifying them? And if we know a guy was convicted of robbery does that mean he can't walk down the street anymore freely? I wish the FEDs or ACLU could attend these meetings

3/04/2016 01:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look at the results so far! The poor and oppressed minorities will finally be able to revert back to their peaceful and pacific society now that they are no longer being actively harassed by the jackbooted thugs of the Chicago Police State. By the end of the year, the glorious victory of the ACLU will be apparent to all! Even the media will realize the successes of the ACLU as the 600th homicide is reported in September.

3/04/2016 01:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I totally agree with this Johnka guy. He must know what he's talking about since he's from the ACLU. And the ACLU is guiding us, showing us a better way. If they're happy I'm happy! Less stops is what it's all about these days. They say that was the problem. Too many poleeces violating promising artist/ college students civil right to hang on those corners or walk in the middle of the street.

Now Chalkie... well.. he's got different plans. Especially for the summer.

But hey that's their beef, not mine. I'm just a lowly patrol copper pushing a beat car, what do I know. Now remember, don't let those silly bosses try and fool you into doing something illegal ( tsk, tsk). Because quotas are illegal. And they know that.

3/04/2016 01:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You should take Yohnka on a snipe hunt in Back of the Yards.
He can learn all about the local flavor.

3/04/2016 01:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are on the money SCC. However, I believe the SCOTUS decision says we can stop on flight from a an officer in a high crime/high narcotics area. (ILLINOIS VS WARDLOW). Either way, it is all bullshit anyway.

3/04/2016 01:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Running away at the approach of an officer? The Supreme Court said "No" many years ago." In Illinois vs Wardlow the Scotus ruled in favor of police that they had reasonable suspicion to justify stop

3/04/2016 01:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

McNaughton needs to take the training!

3/04/2016 01:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is this the same Mc Naughton that was the commander of 016 in 2013-14 or so? Someone print up this post by SCC and place it on his desk. SCC, you must've been a carpenter in another life, because you hit the nail squarely on the head, again.

3/04/2016 01:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

These stupid-ass gold stars don't understand that the days of stopping shit-heads hangin on the corners and going through them are o-v-e-r !!!

3/04/2016 01:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

White genocide continues with the murder of a M/2 businessman at 555 W. Kinzie. Stay fetal. we're next.

3/04/2016 01:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Isn't mcnaughton the moron who ordered that protesters blocking michigan ave stores on black friday were not to be arrested??? Real intelligent leader.

3/04/2016 02:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stay fetal my friends

3/04/2016 02:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just wait until well meaning but unwise coppers start going to prison as a result of trying to please their boss in an effort to keep their spot . Then things will really seize up .
It's just a matter of time .

3/04/2016 03:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The whole concept of all this department is to fuck the officers at whatever means !!!!!!!! .

3/04/2016 03:29:00 AM  
Blogger officer2friendly said...

SCC---"Even running away"...Have you forgotten the Wardlow decision from our own lovely west side??? High narcotics crime area, unprovoked flight, RO's experience of weapons around narco trafficking=REASONABLE SUSPICION! Pat down too!!!

I'm not looking to burn up the town like its the 80's. But I am going to do my job professionally, properly and without fear. (And, yes I have been sued to no avail!)

3/04/2016 03:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Still waiting, forget isrs im still waiting for duty qualification

3/04/2016 03:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, I remember that turd Mcnaughton working in 008... He was a piece of crap then and he is the chief of mostly, pieces of crap now. He is really good at playing the numbers game. He played off statistics. He would have a sgt for days wait in the lot of the 008th district watching midnight guys come in for check off.... If any of them came in ¨too early.¨ He would have this jagoff sgt write those late cars up. This guy would step on his own mother to get promoted...but hey its the ¨Chicago Way.¨ It worked. It got him his spot as chief. He would also tell the sgt´s that if we did not bring contact cards the sgts could not go home early and would all have to stay late. Who every works the area this guy is running.... brace yourselves. He will stop at nothing to get those numbers.

3/04/2016 03:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Det. T. Nolan (Ret.) said...

The U.S. Supreme Court said yes many years ago in a 5-4 decision from a case that occurred in 011.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_v._Wardlow

3/04/2016 04:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HEY You know what ? FUCK all that bullshit , seems fetal is working and I like it

3/04/2016 04:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yohnka, you're soft. Btw, what demographic is demanding more police presence?!

3/04/2016 05:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This does not surprise me that the Bosses in the department do not have a clue and are willing to throw a police officer under the bus just to make them look good in the eyes of the mayor. Merit, Merit, Merit, this is what happen when people are promoted and don't know how to read orders and understand what they have read. Think of what is going to happen when a new superintendent is picked, what new revelations will the new brass come up with and what idiots will be promoted to meet the mayor's agenda, hello ACLU and DOJ do you have your pencil ready you will have a lot of work ahead of you.

3/04/2016 05:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's NOT what was said. He said the dispersal law should be used, and detectives directly rely on ISRs for leads and look for known shooters and robbery offenders that are stopped.
Oh, and you CAN stop someone based on an anonymous call. Read the US Supreme Court ruling of the California traffic stop based on exactly that situation. Affirmed 5 to 4. Thirty second Google search.

3/04/2016 06:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

its not our problem its them peoples problem stay fetal my friends

3/04/2016 06:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its working boys and girls.STAY FETAL, FUCK Rahm and his band of Pension robbing alderman Jagoffs.......Its working, believe me its working............

3/04/2016 06:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Amen..... Hit the nail on the head! Have the exempts lead by example....they are the police let them do a few ISR's Show us how it's done

3/04/2016 06:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let mcnonothing do a few ISRs and put his name on the receipt and let's see what information he collects. That is before the subject collects a check from city council. Please remember ISR really asks "Is Something wRong?" If you can't articulate what was wrong before the stop any information you collect during the stop is fruit from the poisonous tree and the collector is now liable. The collector.....not the Sgt. not the Lt...... Not the commander......not the XO......not the chief....not Xcaliente.....that means YOU! And YOU will be party to the law suit and that written evidence that says YOU stopped him because he was on the corner will permit them to take your future. Case closed.
Dyla Hata

3/04/2016 06:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Representatives from the Department of Justice are attending compstat meetings. The results of what they hear and report should be interesting. And we know all parties are reading this blog.

3/04/2016 06:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just get rid of the tested, certified and qualified Police
then replace them with the much longed for "For Us, By Us"
Police that will magically stop the butchery and open death
worship occurring on Chicago's West and South sides and
spilling into formerly safe neighborhoods that have been
criminally stripped of their paid for Police presence by
the political powers that be.

You Cops who took entrance exams, passed drug screens, passed
psychological examination, passed state mandated firearms qualification
and achieved state qualification as a law enforcement officer by examination,
ARE the problem.

There are politicians, activists, inner-city clergy and their white guilt
afflicted liberal progressive allies who seek to actively do away with things
like testing and standards so that CPD can better reflect "da communerty."

When enough of you outmoded "Warrior/Protector" Cops are made to walk away
and are finally busted out of your "cush" pensions, you will witness the
final "rebooting" of Policing in this town.

For Us, By Us...
City of Chicago Cocked-Hat Security & Public Safety Aides,
or some similar such.

"Standards?
Hah! Y'all funny."

It would be the ultimate pander
if Rahm & Co. manage to pull it off.

Kinda like when Crime King Shorty gave OEMC
to "Bishop" Trotter as a patronage prize and political sop.

Rahm can hire three for the price of one "outmoded" P.O.
and dump them all into Englewood, Harrison, Grand Crossing, Grand Central...

You "rich" people in tax paying neighborhoods will get the sum total
of a double handful of dick-all because the election day results for the last
40 years indicate that you're not relentlessly breeding enough for City Hall
to give a fuck about you except how they can distract you long enough to cut
the ass-pockets out of your pants and liberate your wallets from you.

The working man is not only a sucker,
he's been so thoroughly chumped as to
be rendered irrelevant in this town.

Are you upright, tax paying people
now angry enough to step outside of
"decency" and "fair play" to fight
for what was taken from you?

Heh... Just wondering out loud.

You know... Since the legitimate processes
have been gamed to keep you rocked back
on your heels and flailing at air?

Chicago is a mean, vile and hellish place
led by craven, vicious and immoral wretches.

"The Police are the problem..."

No.
No they're not.

3/04/2016 06:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't the exempts still have badges and guns? Aren't they still the police? They can still do street stops and ISR's. I'll match McNaughton ISR for ISR. But dough boy goes first and the first line of every ISR I do is going to say PER COMMANDER McNaughton.

3/04/2016 06:56:00 AM  
Blogger SpankDaddy said...

It's like screwing up a fishing line. You can never untangle it, so just cut it and start over.

3/04/2016 06:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am completely baffled by when officers say that these are "new rules" concerning the ISR. Nope. The rules that you need a reasonable articulable suspicion to stop someone and further you also need a reasonable suspicion to search that person or their car is related to the U.S. Constitution. Now unless the department brass can change the U.S. Constitution (which they can't) then I suggest you follow the law and do your job according to the law.

Learn according to the law the aspects of stop, search and seizure. Educate yourself.

3/04/2016 07:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Running away? See Wardlow. Know what the SC says about RAS.

3/04/2016 07:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

so.....maybe the phone number of Edwin Yohnka should be published and delivered to the community, so that, if and when someone needs police service, that person can call Edwin, in the meantime, the real police can sit back and take a break, while Edwin runs from call to call....

3/04/2016 07:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yea, real hard 'journalism' by john howell on 89. his discussion with deano on the isr should have been questions put to the aclu's mouthpiece. all within the hour. what a fucken joke.

3/04/2016 07:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I work at homan. Haven't done one yet. Not a lot of cops jumping out of covert cars to do an ISR. Wouldn't be wise.

3/04/2016 07:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If there's any doubt at all as to whether you have reasonable suspicion do not conduct the stop.Repeat after me. If there's any gray, no way!

3/04/2016 07:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What studies is he referring to that says there is no correlation? If he's referring to "the Kansas City preventive patrol experiment" that doesn't mention street stops at all. The whole experiment was about police pressence with no mention of arrests or street stops. It's another attempt to take the legitimacy away from the police because the ACLU believes we're the protectors of the rich and the oppressors of the poor.

3/04/2016 07:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why doesn't the fop and other leadera at aclu take this challenge. Why hasn't anyone checked into their home addressess. If they really believe their own nonsense about street stops, they would have no problem moving themselves and their family to middle of those neighborhoods that they claim to protect.

3/04/2016 07:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Last words you will hear from your boss: "I didn't tell you to do THAT."

3/04/2016 07:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Our commander came and talked to us about more ISRs. He was respectful about it.

3/04/2016 07:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Exactly

3/04/2016 07:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They want the "old way" they need to change the law to reflect that.

3/04/2016 07:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excellent commentary on a very important topic. Should be read and understood by every law-abiding citizen and young, inexperienced copper on the job.

3/04/2016 07:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fuck them, do nothing, remember they will fuck u 4 becoming active!

3/04/2016 08:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You're not getting any more ISR's than what I need to do to cover my ass. And there's NOTHING you can really do about it!

3/04/2016 08:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yohnka's statement is stupidity on a cosmic level.
As you would say SCC, Un-fuckin-beliveable.

3/04/2016 08:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is beautiful. The ISRs or lack there of are gonna thin the heard better than we ever could. Thank you Rham.

3/04/2016 08:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I recently attended ISR training and from what I see proactive policing in this city is dead. I will not make another stop unless I absolutely have to. I give the ACLu six months to a year before they start turning stops over to their buddies in the private sector to sue Officers and/or the Feds to indict Officers.

After P/Os and Sgts are all trained it will be the Lts turn then the training stops. Nobody above Lt has to go to this BS training. So McNaughton doesn't have to go to the training or write ISRs so his career and assets are safe, but he wants us to put everything we have on the line so he can have his numbers. Dream on! Typical CPD brass.

The real sad part about all this is that this monster is the making of the CPD brass - not a court order or any kind of court action, but a bunch of no backbone gold stars who willing crippled the CPD or should I say killed it?

Finally, despite what Mr. Six states in his video the ACLU IS contacting people who have been stopped and asking them questions about the stop.

3/04/2016 08:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And not one commander or other big shot spoke up and called him out on it? No balls.

3/04/2016 08:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The department never asked officer for any input with this whole ISR program and shoved it down our throats. There was no careful thought and complete lack of consideration for officers so with that much being said you will now have to deal with how we are responding to it and your going to have to live with it because the mere fact that we are completely ignored and blamed for a cultures lack of moral values, social values and hated not only for other culture and races but they even hate their own race and are the root cause of us being the murder Capital of the world for many consecutive years. Lets stop the excuses and start calling it what it is. Time to start voting Republican and put an end to the democratic pandering to those that bleed our city and state welfare system and the democrats that pander to the criminals. It began with a republican governor and must continue with a republican president. Obama is done and they know the games are soon over.

3/04/2016 08:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is it really true that the camera adds ten pounds?

3/04/2016 08:30:00 AM  
Blogger rosco said...

Its what the people want. They have spoken.

3/04/2016 08:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC your remarks are hog wash. I know for a fact General Counsel Ralph Price attends CompStat and as one of the finest legal minds in the city, if he heard McNaughton state those lies, Price would have stood up for the working police. That is if he weren't getting scolded by city hall for screwing something else up. Or looking up the next Apple product to be released. Or explaining to the Inspector General why the FOIA section is behind in responses. You have understand what is really important.

On a side note: notice the department quietly took McNaughton off the street for the McDonald incident as he was the Area Central Dep Chief and onscene. Hence his inside spot to go with his Federal lawsuit. You would think if any gold star would understand the position of the working police it would be him. Especially since he's not part of a union and has to pay for his own legal fees.

Two morons who will make more money than we'll ever see.

3/04/2016 08:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I couldn't have said it any better. I stay far away from the gray area. Pro active police work is definitely over.

3/04/2016 08:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Since Mr. Yohnka is unable to cite statistics, I too am able to speak from an anecdotal perspective, based upon 32 yrs. of experience as a Chicago Police Officer, 25 of those years as a Sergeant of Police. Many members of gangs and other forms of criminals are Opportunistic. If given the opportunity to commit crimes, they will take advantage of that opportunity, plain and simple. Every gun taken off the street, is not a violent crime. Yet the "Potential" for a violent crime was prevented by removing that gun from the street. City-Wide Units, such as SoS, Mobile Strike Force, etc. by their mere presence put illegally armed individuals on notice that there was a substantial chance that they would be stopped for minor traffic infractions, or other reasons, and I do not include Race as one of those reasons. Now knowing that you will not be stopped, there is a tendency to carry your weapon illegally, which increases the chances that you will use it. That is reality, and once again it goes back to the nonsense and bullshit that was the Infamous Kansas City Study, back in the 70's which formed the basis for Community Policing. The study implied that "A greater police presence did not necessarily produce a reduction in crime." In one of his few sober and lucid moments, Matt (Call me Spanish not Mexican) Rodriguez, seized upon this as a strategy! Well it is a Failed strategy, because years later the Dept. ended up paying time and a half to Saturate high crime areas with a police presence! So much for doing More with Less. Mr. Yohnka is absolutely wrong, but cares not, because I would venture to say that most of the lawyers who run the ACLU, or work for it do not even live in the City, nor do they send their children on CTA to schools in the City. The sentencing of Aldo Brown, the use of Jason Van Dyke as a pawn in a political deception of the Public, should serve as a warning to all Chicago Police Officers: Proactive Policing is Dead! Nobody has your back, and unless you are working in your own District of Residence; do you really think anyone cares about YOU? What will you tell your kids when you have to pull them out of Parochial School, because you are suspended without pay? What used to get you a medal, will now get you indicted. The Mr. Yohnkas of the world, want the "Beast" to roam free, and Rahm is one of the Mr. Yohnkas! Live by "Chicago Values", and Stay Fetal, Stay Fetal, Stay Fetal! Baby"G"

3/04/2016 09:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The goal is that officers will take up bangers' time via paperwork so they don't have time to commit felonies. Sheer genius.

3/04/2016 09:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sorry but if someone in a spot gets jammed up over doing improper ISR's, I'm not buying a 10-1 ticket.

3/04/2016 09:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Kiddies there will be coppers fucked over by all this. There have been coppers fucked before after the brass has Lied and said they have their backs and I'll tell you something else. There are cameras all over the place now. If not on the street these little jagoffs carry them themselves. I once saw a crew set up on an intersection with one 'ho! having a cam-phone on an extender "like the kind pro videographers use". No doubt she would have camcorded ANY stop on anyone of her tribe if the Police came in.

Luckily the squads just kept driving by and there was no phoney probable cause recorded to fire a copper and make some drug dealing JagBag richer. And if you unit Heros are afraid of losing YOUR spot then remember your Bosses are even more afraid of losing their's. A Boss losing a unit can lose pay, a chance at more pay/promotion, and have to go back to working 9 hour days. Of course they are putting heat on you. Nobody wants to come back to patrol with the rest of us farm hands.

Thankfully I work for good people who give no pressure for these phoney things. I bet if these conditions were present when I came on it would have caused thousands of more crimes, from drugs to murders, from the forced inaction of one officer alone. I hate the thought of a good hearted young kid losing it all over this shit, maybe a guy or Gal with kids who thinks they are doing the right thing.

3/04/2016 09:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Edwin Yohnka also believes Hurricane Katrina had no correlation to New Orleans flooding.

The ACLU does not believe Reasonable Suspicion, therefore they do not believe in crime prevention. Known burglars have the right to walk down your alley.

What amazes me through all of this is Rahm transforming from a huge bully to a complete pussy. He is not going to get re-elected at this rate. His only chance is to proclaim in mid June, when we are closing in on 400 homicides, that the cooperation with the ACLU was a mistake and discontinue it. Tell the communities that don't like him anyway that enough is enough and retake the streets. What does he have to lose? He literally does not have one vote in those areas to count on.

However the reality is very few officers will trust this City to have their back, and those officers are going to be young and not had the personal experience of being fucked by the city.

3/04/2016 09:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I remember PO Mcnaughton. Nice guy, got along with everyone.
But, he was no super cop. I dont think he ever made an on view UUW
or hot car with heads.

Now he wants you to risk jail, termination, law suit, suspension to
make him shine. Dont do it.

3/04/2016 09:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT: The most offensive thing I've had to endure today is a request from the black police executive association. Just imagine if the word white was substituted.

The system is totally unworkable.

Eliminate all rank positions, make everyone work a beat car for 2 years, and then reassess.

The problem is the clout heavy snobs.

3/04/2016 09:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

McNaughton didn't retire and flee yet? Not too smart he's the excemot that signed off in the Mcdonald TRR as all good.

Yea follow that fools stuff he spews. He's gonna end up in the pen with his criminal orders.

3/04/2016 09:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any boss that tells a PO to do an illegal irs report should be charged with Official Misconduct. Period.
Come on Anita, before the election show Chicago's crime community that you got THEIR backs. Indict a few sergeants hell, even Esclante said they are accountable. Do it now and win back those coveted black and Hispanic votes.

3/04/2016 09:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

McNaughton's whack was a former 45th ward Alderclown. He was a trick as a PO. and a know-it-all as a Sgt. So what would you expect?

3/04/2016 10:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh my my are the bosses still singing that bullshit song!

I remember 20 years ago

5 Parker's and 1 mover a day keeps the inspectors away !

Give me twenty Parker's and take off !

Also included some bosses who really were the police !
That was a nice gun pinch ! Extra 4 hours on books
Your kid sick , take off and call me if you need the day tommorow !

Sadly all the good ones are gone! Replaced by mindless Rham suck-
Holes who will wash their hands of you as soon as it goes bad ( we got your back ) !

It took them twenty years to beat me down but they did it ! A chest full of ribbons and medals mean that at one time , I put duty before self. We'll this ain't the Corps and those with stripes and bars ain't got my back and never will I trust a white shirt ever!
The last good bosses took the plane for the coast , we got stuck with Cowards and back stabbers !

We miss you baby G
Semper Fi

3/04/2016 10:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If they threaten to dump you who do they have to replace you? Don't be a chump! Mid July you will be going to federal court and your lawyer tells you it ain't so bad kid, I think I can get you a deal at 2yrs at club fed.
The sergeant will be sitting behind the desk listening to the cub game with the pos who never had to do a its. 2:00PM and all go home clean, relaxed paycheck in direct deposit take a little nap then fire up the grill and pop open the beer and start watching the sox game with the neighbors.
Then the 10:00 news comes on and Chuck "No Jaw" Goudie comes on with an ITeam report about the chump police officer that got 2yrs for Official Misconduct today.
And you tell your neighbors. I new that asshole, he always thought he was the real police, real hotshot he was.
Then you say well I got to get up at 5:00 tomorrow to get to my 85,000 a year desk job. Are the Cubs playing tomorrow?

3/04/2016 10:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Been saying it for a while...fuck this job and these "fine citizens." They can care less if you're disgraced, hurt or killed. Why should I care to go the extra mile for these liberal haters? No thanks, let the blood flow like a river while I transition to a pretty and professional policeman. My working days are over. These units are who I feel bad for. They most certainly are the ones boosting the numbers. Their bosses can give a shit about them. Wait until they get their federal lawsuits. How much are your bosses going to have your back and explain how they pushed you to be proactive for the good of the city?

3/04/2016 10:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sargeant in Area Central Sat put on hotseat for his teams lack of activity LMAO

3/04/2016 10:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Edwin yohnka better hope that my family doesn't get swept up in the wave of violence about to hit this city as a result of these policy changes or the next wine and cheese party he attends where is lecturing everyone on civil liberties is going to turn into a south side wedding reception gone wrong.

3/04/2016 10:17:00 AM  
Blogger Transmaster said...

Astrophysicists spent billions building instruments to detect gravity waves, wasted money. All they would have had to do is measure a gravity waves 1st cousin "bullshit waves" that travel down from politicians.

The motto of a Politician:
Promitte omnia stupra super omnes
(Promise everything, Screw over everyone)

3/04/2016 10:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They told us at training only Sgts & PO have to attend. No big bosses! That's a lawsuit waiting to happen!

3/04/2016 11:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just protect the Good People, Officers. They, unlike your own Department and Political Leadership, are the ONLY ones who appreciate you. Fuck helping all the rest of these Haters...

3/04/2016 11:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You cannot berate them for not using facts or data and then back your argument up with "decades worth of actual street knowledge and personal observations". That also isn't a fact or data point. Just saying...

3/04/2016 11:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Off-topic, but relevant --- Seems Mike Madigan is getting worried one of his opponents might take the primary. Two are Madigan 'plants', put there to dilute the challenge of Jason Gonzales. He's 41 and has a master's in public administration from John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard.

I'm going to throw fifty toward Jason's campaign, if only to rattle Madigan. SOMEONE has got to move this boulder off the throne.

He's also a convicted felon so keep giving him your money.

3/04/2016 12:53:00 AM

The only difference is Madigan hasnt gotten caught YET. They are closing in on him.

3/04/2016 11:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The FOP needs to strongly and loudly call out the ACLU on that ridiculous statement.
I'd say the media should call them out too but with the liberal, lapdog media we have around here you know that's not gonna happen.

3/04/2016 11:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Heard from a source probably rumor that in 009 a certain white shirt higher then a Sgt told , a roll call that the isr's aren't going anywhere and if you see one you should do it. The funny thing is how this individual was back tracking saying I'm not say to do it if it's not there but do it if it is. The part of the story that had me laughing was the part that the certain individual said come contract time they might remember this and not give you guys a good raise. Last time I checked raises didn't revolve around activity right?? Oh it's going to be a great summer.

3/04/2016 11:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Question is it illegal to audio record roll calls? I think not because it's a public building? Heard some people saying they have recorded roll calls. Just wondering ay legal experts on here.

3/04/2016 11:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Since Mr. Yohnka is unable to cite statistics, I too am able to speak from an anecdotal perspective, based upon 32 yrs. of experience as a Chicago Police Officer, 25 of those years as a Sergeant of Police. Many members of gangs and other forms of criminals are Opportunistic. If given the opportunity to commit crimes, they will take advantage of that opportunity, plain and simple. Every gun taken off the street, is not a violent crime. Yet the "Potential" for a violent crime was prevented by removing that gun from the street. City-Wide Units, such as SoS, Mobile Strike Force, etc. by their mere presence put illegally armed individuals on notice that there was a substantial chance that they would be stopped for minor traffic infractions, or other reasons, and I do not include Race as one of those reasons. Now knowing that you will not be stopped, there is a tendency to carry your weapon illegally, which increases the chances that you will use it. That is reality, and once again it goes back to the nonsense and bullshit that was the Infamous Kansas City Study, back in the 70's which formed the basis for Community Policing. The study implied that "A greater police presence did not necessarily produce a reduction in crime." In one of his few sober and lucid moments, Matt (Call me Spanish not Mexican) Rodriguez, seized upon this as a strategy! Well it is a Failed strategy, because years later the Dept. ended up paying time and a half to Saturate high crime areas with a police presence! So much for doing More with Less. Mr. Yohnka is absolutely wrong, but cares not, because I would venture to say that most of the lawyers who run the ACLU, or work for it do not even live in the City, nor do they send their children on CTA to schools in the City. The sentencing of Aldo Brown, the use of Jason Van Dyke as a pawn in a political deception of the Public, should serve as a warning to all Chicago Police Officers: Proactive Policing is Dead! Nobody has your back, and unless you are working in your own District of Residence; do you really think anyone cares about YOU? What will you tell your kids when you have to pull them out of Parochial School, because you are suspended without pay? What used to get you a medal, will now get you indicted. The Mr. Yohnkas of the world, want the "Beast" to roam free, and Rahm is one of the Mr. Yohnkas! Live by "Chicago Values", and Stay Fetal, Stay Fetal, Stay Fetal! Baby"G"

3/04/2016 09:21:00 AM
Wow you really nailed it! Just a question not a flame or criticism, when Greg sorich for example daley lackey who kept his mouth shut went to prison Father Brandt held a huge fund raiser at the church in bridgeport, maybe Father you could hold a fund raiser for Aldo browns family maybe Dean you could speak up for this copper, or dean are you to busy using go fund me to raise money for the sick dog? The final straw is Aldo bet his bosses cowards all went into their offices and hid while watching soap operas as Aldo was hung out to dry! Now Mayor rahm you constantly say you have our backs but you let this happen! How about the 500 million due the pension fund have you paid it yet? If we are late on a water bill service gets cut off, your having the goofs under you place stickers on on blue recyclable bins, I got a sticker now you can pick up this bin because not going to play games with your recycling (They gave me a contribution friends)!

3/04/2016 12:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
These bosses are THE BIGGEST AND MOST DANGEROUS ASSHOLES IN THE WORLD! The shit they tell us to do is unlawful and completely against their GO they signed off on. Pay no attention to them and just do your job within the law and department orders. They expect patrolmen to empty the ocean with a spoon. Stat driven self interested monsters sitting inside out of harms way physically and financially

3/04/2016 12:51:00 AM

well said and couldn't be truer- BIGGEST ASSHOLES!! Just look at the 12th district DC bubble/bobblehead telling the watches ISR'S BETTER GO up or your start times will change and you'll be taken off your car. Hey dickhead ahemmm i mean bobblehead. do you preach the same bullshit to your part time ( 20-25 hours workweek ) 06 cars and tact teams?

3/04/2016 12:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I could have sworn I saw the ABC-TV scrolling banner proclaim that we already have the worst homicide rate this city has seen in eight years. But I guess I wasn't looking at it through ACLU-approved Ray Bans.

3/04/2016 12:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

These prick bosses using the same old tactic by verbalizing threats for activity. Intimidating police to violate rights and the dept orders. They never put in in writing so they can deny everything. Never trust them! Very dangerous leadership

3/04/2016 12:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are compstat meetings closed to the DOJ, Feds, and Attorney General's office? Who is permitted to attend?

3/04/2016 01:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

democrats never address problem of crime
one parent family , some father is unknown
cannot afford children , dependent on welfare
dropping out of school
children are not cared for in many one parent homes , welfare used for drugs , alcohol , weaves , piercings etc
kids involvement inn gang life , criminal behavior
no respect for teachers , parents , adults , police officers
look at arrests shop lifters , fighting at chucky cheese , hooters , mcdonalds
wilding = battery , strong armed robbery of people shopping downtown , mag mile
no role models , absentee father = angry youths

3/04/2016 01:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
That's NOT what was said. He said the dispersal law should be used, and detectives directly rely on ISRs for leads and look for known shooters and robbery offenders that are stopped.
Oh, and you CAN stop someone based on an anonymous call. Read the US Supreme Court ruling of the California traffic stop based on exactly that situation. Affirmed 5 to 4. Thirty second Google search.

3/04/2016 06:23:00 AM

You may not have noticed, but our General Orders often limit us even further than State or Federal law allow. It may not be law, but it certainly CAN be 'the rules'. You have to know the law, but you also have to abide by the orders and the rules. All this ACLU bs has far less to do with the law than it has to do with toeing (not towing) the line ACLU has drawn in the sand.

3/04/2016 01:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kimisha Fox is Prepwinkles puppet

3/04/2016 01:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
That's NOT what was said. He said the dispersal law should be used, and detectives directly rely on ISRs for leads and look for known shooters and robbery offenders that are stopped.
Oh, and you CAN stop someone based on an anonymous call. Read the US Supreme Court ruling of the California traffic stop based on exactly that situation. Affirmed 5 to 4. Thirty second Google search.

3/04/2016 06:23:00 AM

Do you really you think I care what he said, I don't give a shit I am not going to jail,lose my job or family over some dip shit boss who could care less about me and what happens to me. Get Real they only care about themselves and will throw you under the bus so fast you will never see it coming, you can run out there and get all the numbers you want but don't cry when the shit hits the fan and you need legal help

3/04/2016 01:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I'm not looking to burn up the town like its the 80's. But I am going to do my job professionally, properly and without fear. (And, yes I have been sued to no avail!)

3/04/2016 03:30:00 AM

+++++++++++

Get back to licking Windows, chump. Spare me the bullshit, hero. This isn't some fun game for most of us. You might like being deposed for your lawsuits and listing your assets while you brag about how you're an amazing copper, you're legally cunning and can cite case law and general orders. Guess what? In the end no one gives a fuck. You're ignoring the writing on the wall. You're amazing call to conservatively continue working is just a bullshit platitude. You're talking to other cops on here, dude, not an academy class or quasi-sympathetic civilian crowds. Impress me with more gun pinches, TRRs and federal lawsuits.

3/04/2016 01:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about "Officer Safety" is no longer acceptable for a pat down. Well guess what legislators, if you don't give a rat's ass if we get hurt or killed and you enact laws showing such, then we are not going to put ourselves in jeopardy. Plain and simple. You have shown how much you support us so we will respond in like kind. When your constituents began whining and crying to you about the increase in crime, just show them how our fine elected officials voted on this one. My family, my pension and my freedom are far more important to me than your political bullshit pandering. And to the CPD brass, wake up. You have allowed this job to be flushed right down the toilet. Don't start with your "go do this" nonsense. The stink you smell was created by YOU!

3/04/2016 02:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's NOT what was said. He said the dispersal law should be used, and detectives directly rely on ISRs for leads and look for known shooters and robbery offenders that are stopped.
Oh, and you CAN stop someone based on an anonymous call. Read the US Supreme Court ruling of the California traffic stop based on exactly that situation. Affirmed 5 to 4. Thirty second Google search.
--------------------------------------
YES he did say those things. Over and over. He then talked about the dispersal issue, which our legal genius squad is wrong about, by the way.
Also, according to our department, we CAN'T stop based on anonymous calls. I'm not going to violate written department policy.
Get back under McNaughton's desk.

3/04/2016 02:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What happens if an officer knows he/she shouldn't do an ISR but a Sgt orders him/her to do it?

3/04/2016 03:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT --

Memo From The Purchasing Department --

While Chicago is paying out $14.00/gallon for ordinary bleach...

Brand new security cameras capture huge inmate brawl at Northern California jail

March 04, 2016

"Up to 30 inmates at a Northern California jail threw punches at each other when a huge brawl broke out in front of security cameras installed only 24 hours earlier.

"The San Jose jail was placed on lockdown for several hours as about 20 deputies used pepper spray to subdue the brawling inmates. No one was seriously injured, the station reported. The melee was reported just after 3 p.m. Thursday.

"The jail installed 12 security cameras on Wednesday that Smith purchased with her own money at a Costco. She expects the $761 purchase to be reimbursed by the county, the station reported.

"Smith went to Costco after being told it would cost $20 million and take two years to install security cameras throughout the jail and other lock-ups..."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/03/04/brand-new-security-cameras-capture-huge-inmate-brawl-at-northern-california-jail.html

3/04/2016 03:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

stop no one.....just wave, say hello to the folks, and drive along; look professional, pretend you are interested, maybe help someone in need (traffic crash, a lost person, etc.)....and get home at the end of the day

3/04/2016 03:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The threats are definitely rolling in...025 is having meetings with all the watches and the hit topic is ISR's ISR's and calling us out if we are afraid...but like SSC said it, there are certain situations when an ISR can be legitimately done. Yet. Threats and yelling isn't going to change anything. We will not bow down the political bs!! And bosses puppet heads !

3/04/2016 04:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

""These stupid-ass gold stars don't understand that the days of stopping shit-heads hangin on the corners and going through them are o-v-e-r !!!""

Of course they know. They know better then you. But its not their names on these fucking ISRs so why would they care? They'll just scratch you behind the ears and say "listen buddy I really need a few of these". "I got your back".

3/04/2016 04:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Fetalologist said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
These stupid-ass gold stars don't understand that the days of stopping shit-heads hangin on the corners and going through them are o-v-e-r !!!

3/04/2016 01:57:00 AM

The answer is in your statement.
95% or more of the current crop of exemts have never been the street police.
Most have very little time behind the wheel of a beat car. Most were paper jumpers that were put in spots as POs.
Don't derail the gravy train.

3/04/2016 05:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yea well... that wont be happening anytime soon with me. You got the department you wanted.. Ha HA Fuck you 1st n 16th.

3/04/2016 05:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ALCU wants to make your job easier. They have succeeded.
Until Your Mayor and various other elected officials stops bowing to groups like the ACLU and the #BowelMovementMatter,
I suggest you refrain from the ISR subscription service.
There is no reason, no benefit or possibility to reform the ghetto.
But if you truly believe that Your Mayor and the ACLU are on your side, then write those ISR's to your hearts content.
It's no longer "Us against Them"'...
it's "Them against Us".
Stay safe, use your brain and not your black ball point ink pen.

3/04/2016 05:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the ACLU says there's no correlation between
the joyous decline in street stops and the volcano
that is crime, blowing it's top like Krakatoa, why then,
is the exempt and bosshole echelon of this wholly
surrounded and intentionally surrendered Department,
pushing the Blue Shirts to defy the defacto masters
of CPD by demanding that these intentionally toxic
ISRs be done in spite of ALL the evidence and warnings
that there are no right ways to do the damned things?

Hint:

Reviewed with maximum prejudice by ACLU and DOJ
lawyers.

By design...
There is NO WIN in this for the Policeman
trying to do this nasty, shit-doo-doo, thankless
dead-ended job.

The only upside is every living ass is now
exposed to harm as an unintended result of this
hair-on-fire insanity.

"The Police are the problem..."

3/04/2016 06:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

42yrs in n now out
can't make you take action on something you don't "see"...just sayin

3/04/2016 06:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the fan of Maur. He's the asshat that gave us our current leaders through his "study" group

3/04/2016 06:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Anonymous Anonymous said...

" so.....maybe the phone number of Edwin Yohnka should be published and delivered to the community, so that, if and when someone needs police service, that person can call Edwin, in the meantime, the real police can sit back and take a break, while Edwin runs from call to call...."

ILLINOIS ACLU WEBPAGE:

Edwin C. Yohnka
Director of Communications
& Public Policy
Telephone:
312-201-9740
Mailing Address:
ACLU of Illinois
180 N. Michigan Ave., Suite 2300
Chicago, IL 60601
ACLU speakers crisscross the state each year, discussing civil liberties issues relevant to America at schools and universities, houses of worship, community centers and other venues.

ACLU of Illinois speakers are available without charge, although honorariums are welcome. Speakers include Colleen Connell, Executive Director of the ACLU of Illinois, Harvey Grossman, Legal Director, Mary Dixon, Legislative Director, Edwin Yohnka, Communications Director and other staff from our legal department.

http://www.aclu-il.org/about/staff/

3/04/2016 06:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the ACLU is happy about no street stops, why ever do another one??

3/04/2016 06:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When da boss says " write 'Em ", just smile like the cat that eat the canary and say
" yes sir boss man " !

Of course you will not waste any ink or down time typing in a report that screams Read Me, Pass ME Around , Show ME Off to The Jury !

3/04/2016 06:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Very well put 9:21am, right on the money.
No isr's, no receipts, ever. Answer calls, nothing else. Until they grow some balls, and realize and address the real issues, (and we all know what they are) stay fetal. Let it burn. Aldo Brown got hosed, 2 yrs prison for slappin around a shithead, who had a gun, and dope? Not sayin what he did was right but...Ya...we ain't lockin up anybody.

3/04/2016 06:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't get It. Isn't a Sgt., lt., captain, commander, deputy and everyone above him the police. Why don't these bosses put their money where their mouth is and wirite some isr's themselves and show us how it's done. If I where the mayor or sup that's the way I would motivate the troops.

3/04/2016 06:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A bunch of Germans got hung after WWII. Their defense was they were "just following orders." Nuremberg? That line didn't work then and it won't work now. We are each responsible for our own actions --unless we are of the protected class--

3/04/2016 06:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"SCC your remarks are hog wash. I know for a fact General Counsel Ralph Price attends CompStat and as one of the finest legal minds in the city, if he heard McNaughton state those lies, Price would have stood up for the working police. That is if he weren't getting scolded by city hall for screwing something else up. Or looking up the next Apple product to be released. Or explaining to the Inspector General why the FOIA section is behind in responses. You have understand what is really important.

On a side note: notice the department quietly took McNaughton off the street for the McDonald incident as he was the Area Central Dep Chief and on scene. Hence his inside spot to go with his Federal lawsuit. You would think if any gold star would understand the position of the working police it would be him. Especially since he's not part of a union and has to pay for his own legal fees.

Two morons who will make more money than we'll ever see."

Spot on. Price should have never been the police, let alone General Counsel, he can't even find a spot for his flunky for after his impending demise because he is detested by most of the Department. McNaughton will be lucky to stay out of prison for his role in the McDonald shooting. He signed off on the TRR and viewed the video and called it a good shoot. Look for civil rights charges or conspiracy to commit murder for his role in the cover up. Any PO would be in call back, ol' Dave continues to collect his Chief pay and runs Compstat like dickhead Tracey before him.

Which brings me to the ultimately what is wrong with the Department. To say we suffer from a problem tied to corruption would be an understatement. It runs through every level of the Department. If you have been around longer than 5 years, you've likely already figured it out. It starts with the promotion process, which ensures the like minded "leaders" perpetuate the charade. The last Lt's test is a prime example of how things have been done for decades and continues to dictate that those who bastardize the system pass the torch to the next crew to cover up the sins of the past. Some make it through the "merit" process, where merit is not defined and usually translates to "no shame". Check the current exempt list against the FOIA'd merit list. The correlation is staggering, they have all been pre-ordained. Because only so many can make it through merit, the "secret study group" had to be instituted. If you were "lucky" enough to get into one of these (you know who you are!), you didn't have to study the voluminous amounts of material available in the study guide, all you had to study was the questions from the actual test, which all of the study group leaders had because, coincidentally, they were all gold stars and subject matter experts. Similar to secret study groups were those brass and a few Lts, who also happen to be subject matter experts, who just don't give a fuck and just gave the test to their significant others, who do surprisingly well even though they are functional idiots (yeah, we all know who you are). So either way they get their people in, which brings us to why this is a problem.

You see, the great majority are not qualified for the positions they are in, but they know the right people so they are placed there by their clouted mentors. In fact many believe that they actually "earned" their positions and are the most qualified. These are the most dangerous kind. Most of the chiefs and deputy chiefs fall into this category. They are tasked with making decisions on matters which they are clearly in over their heads. Sometimes they have competent staff which will save them, most of the time they look like complete fools. (CONTINUED)

3/04/2016 07:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"cmdr negode scream at everyone" Don't worry that's all he does is scream at people. You have more time spent on the street since Jan 1st than Negode does his whole career.

3/04/2016 07:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
The goal is that officers will take up bangers' time via paperwork so they don't have time to commit felonies. Sheer genius.

3/04/2016 09:22:00 AM

The mutts are long gone, free to commit lots of fun crimes, while the police are still entering all the nonsense into the computer. The goal is to remove the police from the street, catch them up in some overlooked detail or improperly completed box on the form, then drag them into Federal court. Sheer genius.
.

3/04/2016 07:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let Ryan and Nagode dump you, cuz everybody knows there is no line waiting to get in anymore

3/04/2016 07:49:00 PM  
Blogger grunt said...

Off-topic, but relevant --- Seems Mike Madigan is getting worried one of his opponents might take the primary. Two are Madigan 'plants', put there to dilute the challenge of Jason Gonzales. He's 41 and has a master's in public administration from John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard.

I'm going to throw fifty toward Jason's campaign, if only to rattle Madigan. SOMEONE has got to move this boulder off the throne.

He's also a convicted felon so keep giving him your money.

Yes, he got his shit together as for Madigan. That man is still robbing you blind.

3/04/2016 07:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The department has been painted into a corner by the ACLU and Rahm. Now the coppers are paying for it by the attempted threats of work related retaliations by the department for not doing ISR's that were deemed to be a violation of the civil rights of individuals by the department, the ACLU, and the corp council. Why would any cop stick his/her neck out to accommodate what 35th street is illegally demanding the coppers to do, while at the same time feeding the ACLU exactly what it is hoping to get; civil rights violations so the ACLU can sue the department, city and the copper? Yeah I don't think so. Not in a New York minute.

Because of Rahm the ACLU is forcing their concept of policing on the citizens of Chicago, while at the same time the good citizens are suffering. However, the ACLU does not care so long as they deliver the police department to the citizens that they, the ACLU, believes the citizens should have. I can't wait for the ACLU lawyers to fall victim to the scum that they, the ACLU, so enthusiastically want to protect.

Fuck the ACLU and those who support the ACLU. Turn around is a mother fucker and someday the ACLU will get their just reward.

3/04/2016 07:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the past I use to know the names of the brass and what they did but today I've never heard of them, their ranks or what they look like. They would never waste their time coming to the districts to talk to the lowly patrolmen now. The only reason I know who Escalante is and what he looks like is from being on TV. I couldn't even tell you what our deputy chief looks like. We only see the commander. There's such a huge disconnect between the clouted and the guys who do all the hard and dangerous work.

3/04/2016 07:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I'm sorry but if someone in a spot gets jammed up over doing improper ISR's, I'm not buying a 10-1 ticket.

3/04/2016 09:25:00 AM

I agree. If you want to stick your neck out after everything that has happened in the last four years, then fine. Suffer the consequences. There is nothing wrong with answering your calls and backing each other up.

3/04/2016 08:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's NOT what was said. He said the dispersal law should be used, and detectives directly rely on ISRs for leads and look for known shooters and robbery offenders that are stopped.
Oh, and you CAN stop someone based on an anonymous call. Read the US Supreme Court ruling of the California traffic stop based on exactly that situation. Affirmed 5 to 4. Thirty second Google search.

3/04/2016 06:23:00 AM

You can also still shoot a fleeing felon. The Supremes ruling still stands. Go ahead and give it a try.

3/04/2016 10:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On a side note: notice the department quietly took McNaughton off the street for the McDonald incident as he was the Area Central Dep Chief and onscene. Hence his inside spot to go with his Federal lawsuit. You would think if any gold star would understand the position of the working police it would be him. Especially since he's not part of a union and has to pay for his own legal fees.

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What lawsuit? Maybe you haven't been paying attention, but the city paid the family before the suit was filed.

3/04/2016 10:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am completely baffled by when officers say that these are "new rules" concerning the ISR. Nope. The rules that you need a reasonable articulable suspicion to stop someone and further you also need a reasonable suspicion to search that person or their car is related to the U.S. Constitution. Now unless the department brass can change the U.S. Constitution (which they can't) then I suggest you follow the law and do your job according to the law.

Learn according to the law the aspects of stop, search and seizure. Educate yourself.
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Don't be so baffled. You're right the rules haven't changed, it is all related to the Constitution. The problem is, 'reasonable articulable suspicion" is a GREY area, and not all police are good at putting their grey 'spidey sense' into words, that now, every lawyer will be looking to dissect.

When you put choking paperwork and cameras in the mix, they COVER THE GREY. Proactive policing has to see more than black and white. And (oh my) race does enter the picture! If no m/2's live on the 4800 block of Arthington, there are only 2 things they might be doing there, especially when the 'clock says 3 o'clock', neither of which is legal.

3/04/2016 10:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Think the isr numbers are low now, wait until we get our body cameras.

3/04/2016 11:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wait until the summer when young men like to hang out and converse with one another on a warm summer spring night.

3/04/2016 11:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off-topic, but relevant --- Seems Mike Madigan is getting worried one of his opponents might take the primary. Two are Madigan 'plants', put there to dilute the challenge of Jason Gonzales. He's 41 and has a master's in public administration from John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard.

I'm going to throw fifty toward Jason's campaign, if only to rattle Madigan. SOMEONE has got to move this boulder off the throne.



Yea im sure Madigan is shaking in his boots.

3/04/2016 11:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To you guys citing Illinois v Wardlow, and telling these guys that the rules haven't changed because RAS (4th Amend) has been the same. No kidding Really? You think we don't know that? You think an officer can't articulate RAS on a report stating why said shithead with a criminal background and known gangbanger is loitering in a high narcotics area (ie; dispersal orders)? That's not the point! Have you been paying attention lately to what's going on? It's not about what is legal. It's about what it looks like from a politically correct lens to the general liberal public. Darrin Wilson did everything legal and correct in the course of his duties, was investigated federally and at state level, found no PC against him, was cleared, and his life is ruined!! The guys from 011 in the LeGrier case are being sued and dissected and they did it legal and right! What are you guys not grasping? The ISRs are designed not only for legitmacy of the stops but more importantly, to search for patterns. Gee...Officer X likes to stop minorities a lot. He has proper RAS, but hey look at this pattern of foot chases, stops, etc. He must profiling. Has to be. Hello law suit to Officer X. I mean they just took 'obstruction of identification' off the table even when RAS is present. Doesn't that tell you how screwed the situation is? And don't give me that doing your job professionally b.s. We all do our jobs professionally for the most part. You can still provide excellent police service and be professional while answering your calls and backing each other up.

We finally have a moment where the entire rank and file is sticking together on one issue and it's effective and you guys are still breaking youreselves to appease the jag-offs who sold us down the river and have absolutely no respect for us as evident by their condescending bullying ways.

3/04/2016 11:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Make sure you vote in November. This anti America (anti police, anti Christian, anti heterosexual, anti man, anti the white devil, anti working black person, anti gun, anti good behavior, anti do well in school and do as you please, fuck everyone else)shit comes from the assholes we have elected. They are doing the anarchists work. Every time we elect a democrat, the miserable masses of loafers get more bold and demand they get more free stuff. Just don't vote for any RINO's, either.

3/05/2016 01:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First, if a Sgt orders you to do a ISR throw them on the ISR. "R/O was given a direct order to do this ISR by Sgt Dipshit #1111. As far as anonymous calls you can still stop someone just be able to articulate a little more on his behavior, time of day, area (high gang or narcotic sales), we as police are trained observers. You know when something is out of place after working the beat. If it's gray area where they call anonymous and say "black male standing on corner". Just drive by and get your coffee and a good paper and sit a across the street and read the paper. Don't give ACLU a rope to hang you with. One thing about the old timer coppers is they stick together and that's what the new coppers need to learn. They can't fire you for not doing anything. Dump you off a team? Your team should all put in to-froms requesting to go back to your district tomorrow and let the star team do their own ISR. Watch your back brothers in blue, things will get worst before they get better. Back each other up, you are your brothers keeper, ride on all mental calls and domestics if your available.

3/05/2016 01:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One poster above is absolutely right: the rules/guidelines/laws regarding reasonable articulated suspicion is and has always been the basis for a Terry Stop.

What has changed is that the threshold for reasonable suspicion has now been so elevated that is it is "reasonable" to argue that the dope dealers, gang bangers and other sorts of riff-raff are just going about their normal business. So, in my "reasonableness" I never see any one suspicious. Call me when the crime has been committed, then I will write the report for it. Otherwise, let the criminals live according to the new freedoms the ACLU has given them.

Stay fetal, my friends.

3/05/2016 02:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That goof burglary Sgt in 025 was demanding ISRs and even hinted that officer's who don't do them are "pussies". Well the tough bald muscle head Sgt hasn't done one yet! His team hasn't done one, but he comes to roll call and called us names. Get off the juice and let that enormous bald head of yours shrink back to normal size. Nobody is impressed with you or your team and by the way those lifts in your shoes aren't fooling anyone little man.

3/05/2016 04:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My partner and I have made 0 street stops, 0 traffic stops and 0 ISRS since
Jan 1st. There is no stress here when u just park and wait for a call, go to the call and hand out a report then go on a personal. we all get paid the same guys and gals

3/05/2016 06:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am completely baffled by when officers say that these are "new rules" concerning the ISR. Nope. The rules that you need a reasonable articulable suspicion to stop someone and further you also need a reasonable suspicion to search that person or their car is related to the U.S. Constitution. Now unless the department brass can change the U.S. Constitution (which they can't) the


Correct. The rules haven't changed as far a reasonable susoicion, but the way we did police work in Chicago prior to all the scrutiny and this new form has. If you were a working street cop you'd understand what I mean.

3/05/2016 07:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can't articulate officer experience for reasonable suspicion. Next time I pull up on a known armed robber and his eyes get as big as saucers, he stutters "have a nice day officer", smiles, and starts dancing like Michael Jackson I'll keep driving. He's done nothing wrong in the eyes of the public. The public that will be my jurors if the stop goes south and I have to shoot a black man that was just dancing and not bothering anybody.

3/05/2016 07:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1005 pm...maybe YOU haven't been paying attention but the there will be (if there isnt already) a Civil Rights Violation lawsuit brought by the DOJ....which is A FEDERAL case.

3/05/2016 07:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Negode is a tool
He screamed last year at 001 district roll calls about we need more contact cards
the Sgts had to drop too froms at checkoff for a few weeks if a bt car came in without activity.

3/05/2016 08:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey bosses go fuck yourselves. Done doing anything to make you guys look good. Fucking morons

3/05/2016 08:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First off, ask yourself why McNaughton is here doing compstat? Because he was moved for not doing his job and now you want us to take advice from him? His actions alone started a nationwide movement and cost the city millions. He should have been dumped a long time ago, but no, Escalante and Roussell put him where they could continue to have him blindly do their bidding. And look who is the only Exempt member who stood up and chimmed in on this BS, none other than Chief Eugene Williams from Support Servics who doesn't even have any street operations under him and hasn't for yeard. He was dumped out of Patrol. Pay attention CPD, he is also the self proclaimed next CPD Superintendent. Chicago's politics at its best.

3/05/2016 08:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The new Superintendent needs to do what Jodi Weis did and get rid of all of these incompetent Chiefs who McCarthy hand picked to do his dirty work and follow him blindly with no opinions. He picked them for a reason. They are all useless and have been in charge throughout this surge in crime that they cannt get a hold of. Useless bunch of idiots!

3/05/2016 08:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I took the training and now my officers who just took the training said everything has been changed. Can you let us know what's different since we were taught something different. What a bunch of fools led by the biggest fool, KM. Send out an update that actually explains this BS.

3/05/2016 08:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FOIA section behind ??? Look at who works there .

3/05/2016 08:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The threats are definitely rolling in...025

Really feel bad for u guys in 025 with the combo of harris n escamilla. But escamilla is lycky hes still on the job after all the gins they found in his locker

3/05/2016 08:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Even an anonymous call with a description is no longer in and of itself enough to conduct a Terry stop (according to the training materials)

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very true, I happen to remember the SCOTUS decision stating same

3/05/2016 10:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can also still shoot a fleeing felon. The Supremes ruling still stands. Go ahead and give it a try.

3/04/2016 10:02:00 PM
Yes, your warning is right on. An unarmed black man who is a fleeing after committing a violent crime, such as rape or car jacking or home invasion or if he is beating the living hell out of you cannot and should not be shot according to the BLM folks and Tony Preckwinkle. And, I am guessing that is also the personal thoughts of Tony's handpicked candidate for states' attorney, Foxx.

3/05/2016 10:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I see the comments about Ralph Price, the general counsel. His mother was very influential in the Polish community and with Matt. Price was in IAD for years as a sergeant. He attended law school on company time, frequently gone just about every morning for classes. They covered for him. And, that is a fact. His work load was adjusted so he could leave for class. He was an arrogant ass then and probably still is.

3/05/2016 10:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Question is it illegal to audio record roll calls? I think not because it's a public building? Heard some people saying they have recorded roll calls. Just wondering ay legal experts on here.

3/04/2016 11:59:00 AM
I am not an attorney and now retired , but here is my 2 cents. Inside the department building is not a public space. And, having a recording device and using it is a violation ( or was) of dept. regulations. If you get caught the brass will be very angry

3/05/2016 10:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the past I use to know the names of the brass and what they did but today I've never heard of them, their ranks or what they look like. They would never waste their time coming to the districts to talk to the lowly patrolmen now. The only reason I know who Escalante is and what he looks like is from being on TV. I couldn't even tell you what our deputy chief looks like. We only see the commander. There's such a huge disconnect between the clouted and the guys who do all the hard and dangerous work.

3/04/2016 07:49:00 PM
Agreed so many who got the gold star club bumps! An old saying "You have to know the players before you make your scorecard," just an ego booster,a pension take for many! You know the mayor was talking about the criminal mcdonald who committed how many felonies shooting awhile ago in front of many television cameras about how his family is just like everyone else! While paging though budget book can you guess whose yearly valet detail costs taxpayers over 3.5 million dollars a year? How many coppers would that hire? Why not hire some political security company at less than 75% of that amount? Why does his treasurer and his city clerk have details? Stay Fetal protect your family,freedom,pension,careers!

3/05/2016 11:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
That's NOT what was said. He said the dispersal law should be used, and detectives directly rely on ISRs for leads and look for known shooters and robbery offenders that are stopped.
Oh, and you CAN stop someone based on an anonymous call. Read the US Supreme Court ruling of the California traffic stop based on exactly that situation. Affirmed 5 to 4. Thirty second Google search.

3/04/2016 06:23:00 AM

.....said a boss who will throw you under the bus in a minute.

Go study your compost crap and stay off the blog asshat.

If you're not a boss, then you are a bigger ASSHAT. Go fill out all the ISR's you want dummy.

3/05/2016 12:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WHEN OUR THE BOSSES GOING TO TAKE ISR TRAINING??? Our LT and commander keep telling us to do stops, that contradict the ISR training. Then when you tell them what you were taught at ISR training, they act like you are crazy, yet NO ONE above the rank of Sgt. has taken the class.

3/05/2016 01:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can Not wait till one of these bosses ends up at federal court!! Do they NOT WATCH THE NEWS, have they NOT read the ISR "LAW" ??? Please DUMP ME, for not doing enough ISR's!!! I will be down at the DOJ/ACLU the next morning and on the news the next night!

3/05/2016 01:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Everything is judged on a reasonableness standard.
The things wrong with this post specifically:

1: " Even an anonymous call with a description is no longer in and of itself enough to conduct a Terry stop (according to the training materials)"
Not true. An anonymous call, in and of itself, is GENERALLY not good enough if it says a male black on the corner. An anonymous call of a "male black wearing a red bulls cap, black jacket, orange pants and white shoes carrying a blue backpack" when no one else is in the area and a specific description would be....Use common sense.

2: "Running away at the approach of an officer? The Supreme Court said "No" many years ago. "
Once again, not true. Read "Illinois V Wardlow. It is a Supreme Court case that happened with CPD SOS officers. The court held that a reasonable person would believe that a person in a high crime/narcotics area fleeing from police when he observed officers coming when no other crime was committed would be reasonable to chase and detain them for investigation and pat down (holding waistband.) This was a case from Tim Nolan, an Area C Detective if hasn't retired.

3: Even membership in a criminal organization, absent any other factors, isn't enough to stop someone.
The part you wrote correctly is, ABSENT OTHER FACTORS. This is the case in almost everything we do. If you don't want to work, no problem. I get it. But don't put out false misleading information that gives the lazy an excuse for not being the police. There are plenty of other reasons to not do anything. The lack of legal ability to do i, is not one of them.

3/05/2016 01:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The City Clerk doesn't have a detail.

3/05/2016 02:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why would anyone do an ISR? Just wait till after the fucker commits the crime them lock him up. All CBs all day. That cop in Terry should have waited and watch them fuckers peek into that store 28 more times. CB > ISR

3/05/2016 03:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I heard this ignorant asshole on the radio the other morning explaining there is no evidence to support a rise in crime with lower street stops so he says. The evidence is common sense stupid. The evidence will come once the situation is studied and it will be soon. Then he explains the constitution and the restrictions so placed on random street stops unless there is a legitimate probable cause situation and that is whet the questionaire is desgined to document. I do not see in the constituion that ANY constitutional right provides for required documentation. You have the right to petition and redress in the court in the event of violation. We cannot let assholes like this guy control our lives and explain his version of the constitution to us. I think the ISR street stop agreement is actually unconstitutional. That is what the issue is now. I will bet as time goes on, there will be even fewer stops and more crime and murders. That means do not take the numbers for two months and come up with 600 for 2016. Put the ISR curve into the equation and watch that number exceed 700 by 12/31. Good work ACLU. Making the word better one stupied trick at a time.

3/05/2016 04:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. The three commandments of FETAL.

3/05/2016 06:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sargeant in Area Central Sat put on hotseat for his teams lack of activity LMAO

3/04/2016 10:17:00 AM

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TROLL ALERT! I know that no one here is supposed to be the spelling police but if you can't spell Sergeant right, you are obviously not the police.

3/05/2016 06:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's not a defense to follow an illegal order. If some boss orders me to write an ISR on some citizen who just happens to be standing on a corner getting some fresh air my answer will be "no sir." You wouldn't shoot somebody just because a white shirt orders you to shoot him. The order must be lawful.

3/05/2016 08:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can't articulate officer experience for reasonable suspicion. Next time I pull up on a known armed robber and his eyes get as big as saucers, he stutters "have a nice day officer", smiles, and starts dancing like Michael Jackson I'll keep driving. He's done nothing wrong in the eyes of the public. The public that will be my jurors if the stop goes south and I have to shoot a black man that was just dancing and not bothering anybody.

3/05/2016 07:11:00 AM

You can and should articulate officer experience as part of reasonable suspicion. It usually goes something like this "...actions which are in A/O's experience indicative of..." You would know that if you had ever worked on this job. Also, the scenario you provided doesn't indicate anything criminal.

3/06/2016 12:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Everything is judged on a reasonableness standard.
The things wrong with this post specifically:

1: " Even an anonymous call with a description is no longer in and of itself enough to conduct a Terry stop (according to the training materials)"
Not true. An anonymous call, in and of itself, is GENERALLY not good enough if it says a male black on the corner. An anonymous call of a "male black wearing a red bulls cap, black jacket, orange pants and white shoes carrying a blue backpack" when no one else is in the area and a specific description would be....Use common sense.

2: "Running away at the approach of an officer? The Supreme Court said "No" many years ago. "
Once again, not true. Read "Illinois V Wardlow. It is a Supreme Court case that happened with CPD SOS officers. The court held that a reasonable person would believe that a person in a high crime/narcotics area fleeing from police when he observed officers coming when no other crime was committed would be reasonable to chase and detain them for investigation and pat down (holding waistband.) This was a case from Tim Nolan, an Area C Detective if hasn't retired.

3: Even membership in a criminal organization, absent any other factors, isn't enough to stop someone.
The part you wrote correctly is, ABSENT OTHER FACTORS. This is the case in almost everything we do. If you don't want to work, no problem. I get it. But don't put out false misleading information that gives the lazy an excuse for not being the police. There are plenty of other reasons to not do anything. The lack of legal ability to do i, is not one of them.

3/05/2016 01:53:00 PM
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No asshat here is where you are wrong specifically.
1.A description without you observing something that would specifically lead you to believe a crime was about to be committed, was being committed or had been committed can't lead to a Terry stop I don't care if they tell you how many hairs he has on his sack. A detailed description is NOT enough to warrant a stop. The description in combination of an allegation of a specific crime, not enough. Certainly not the way the Chief wants us to stop gang bangers because they are hanging out in a bad area are know to commit specific crime.
2. The "other factors" are not what we used to consider good reasons for a stop. Basically you have to see the offender engaging in the crime. This is department policy not my wishful thinking or some kind of desire to be a dog. You really should review all of the documents and training the CPD put out on the issue before you spout off. Just because something may be "legal" doesn't mean the department is going to let you do it.

3/06/2016 01:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

TROLL ALERT! I know that no one here is supposed to be the spelling police but if you can't spell Sergeant right, you are obviously not the police.
3/05/2016 06:58:00 PM

I wouldn't bet on that. Have you read some of the reports written by the police on this department?

3/06/2016 01:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Illinois vs. Wardlow is one thing but stoping and detaining someone based on intuition and non criminal behavior is another thing.
I'll see your Wardlow and raise you a Florida Vs. Royer.

3/06/2016 01:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There's no more Mauer's or O'Gradys or Gorman's left as bosses. These guys are a joke. They're a bunch of self serving pussies. Do what you have to but realize you have no boss that has ever been the real police backing you up

3/06/2016 02:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sargeant in Area Central Sat put on hotseat for his teams lack of activity LMAO

3/04/2016 10:17:00 AM

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TROLL ALERT! I know that no one here is supposed to be the spelling police but if you can't spell Sergeant right, you are obviously not the police.

3/05/2016 06:58:00 PM
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Not necessarily. Read on.
There's a (confirmed) po out there who posts about 'row call' on facebook. Really, people, it's ROLL CALL.

3/06/2016 02:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
I see the comments about Ralph Price, the general counsel. His mother was very influential in the Polish community and with Matt. Price was in IAD for years as a sergeant. He attended law school on company time, frequently gone just about every morning for classes. They covered for him. And, that is a fact. His work load was adjusted so he could leave for class. He was an arrogant ass then and probably still is.

3/05/2016 10:06:00 AM

Is his wife still a City hearing officer?
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3/06/2016 02:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Off-topic, but relevant --- Seems Mike Madigan is getting worried one of his opponents might take the primary. Two are Madigan 'plants', put there to dilute the challenge of Jason Gonzales. He's 41 and has a master's in public administration from John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard.

I'm going to throw fifty toward Jason's campaign, if only to rattle Madigan. SOMEONE has got to move this boulder off the throne.

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Yea im sure Madigan is shaking in his boots.

3/04/2016 11:55:00 PM
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Oh, you're so right, 1155pm.
It's much better to do nothing, roll over and play dead.
So much better than standing up for yourself and doing something proactive.
Like a lemming, blindly marching over the cliff to your own demise.

3/06/2016 02:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sargeant in Area Central Sat put on hotseat for his teams lack of activity LMAO

3/04/2016 10:17:00 AM

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TROLL ALERT! I know that no one here is supposed to be the spelling police but if you can't spell Sergeant right, you are obviously not the police.

3/05/2016 06:58:00 PM


Uuhhh... We didn't take an IQ test to get on the job. So IT IS quite possible that it is a COP, possibly a Sgt, maybe even a Lt!

3/06/2016 03:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Can Not wait till one of these bosses ends up at federal court!! Do they NOT WATCH THE NEWS, have they NOT read the ISR "LAW" ??? Please DUMP ME, for not doing enough ISR's!!! I will be down at the DOJ/ACLU the next morning and on the news the next night!

3/05/2016 01:33:00 PM

White shirts aren't the target of the ACLU witch hunt, dontchaknow?

3/06/2016 07:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ask Chief Roy. He says it is a flawed law

3/06/2016 08:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sounds even worse then a Boss. Sounds like a Boss who is also a Lawyer.

And even worse then a Boss and a Lawyer he sounds like a unit Boss and a Lawyer who is climbing the rungs and needs you dumb ass's to fill out ISRs.



"".....said a boss who will throw you under the bus in a minute.

Go study your compost crap and stay off the blog asshat.

If you're not a boss, then you are a bigger ASSHAT. Go fill out all the ISR's you want dummy.""

3/06/2016 08:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The new LT's have not been trained in ISR.

3/06/2016 09:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The dinosaurs have to go! They are the ones making these asinine decisions, they cannot relate to the current culture of policing and are ingrained in the political way of Chicago. You cannot teach an old dog new tricks.

Chief James Roussell
Chief Eugene Roy
Chief Eugene Williams
Chief Anthony Riccio
Chief Ralph Price
Atty Sandy Brodey
The criminal Commander Bobble Head Kulbida
And this idiot John Escalante. I cringe everytime I see him on TV. He makes us all look and sound like fools. And what's with that video with him and that clown Eddie Johnson.

3/06/2016 09:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The new Superintendent needs to do what Jodi Weis did and get rid of all of these incompetent Chiefs who McCarthy hand picked to do his dirty work

Are you kidding me. This department was built on the lips of butt sucking appointee's. (cesario)

3/06/2016 10:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can't articulate officer experience for reasonable suspicion. Next time I pull up on a known armed robber and his eyes get as big as saucers, he stutters "have a nice day officer", smiles, and starts dancing like Michael Jackson I'll keep driving. He's done nothing wrong in the eyes of the public. The public that will be my jurors if the stop goes south and I have to shoot a black man that was just dancing and not bothering anybody.

3/05/2016 07:11:00 AM

You can and should articulate officer experience as part of reasonable suspicion. It usually goes something like this "...actions which are in A/O's experience indicative of..." You would know that if you had ever worked on this job. Also, the scenario you provided doesn't indicate anything criminal.

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Original post hilarious and true. Then the follow-up comment by the ACLU moron giving salient advice while managing to miss the whole point of the comment. Well done, moron, you proved our entire point for RAS and good police work prior to the ISR. Thank you though, you idiot, made my life a lot easier and way less stress!

3/06/2016 07:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can you believe this idiot John Escalante actually said in that video, I'm so proud of you all that I wore my dress uniform. Really idiot! Yes, that is really motivating me! Get the hell out of here! This is our current leadership! And we are clearly screwed.

3/07/2016 01:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

TAKE THE QUIZ:
A. Social parasite is nabbed after killing several folks during Jan. and Feb. When asked if he's responsible states, "Who me? I din' do nuffins!"
B. ACLU social parasite, asked if he feels at all responsible for the record number of killings in Chicago during Jan. and Feb. states, "Who me? I din' do nuffins!"

QUESTION: Which one is the copy-cat?

3/09/2016 01:30:00 AM  

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