Avon Calling!
Oh wait, not Avon....it's the FBI:
- SCC,
Word from a few people that since IPRA got caught calling coppers in so the FBI could attempt to question them, word is now that the feebs are knocking on doors of coppers' houses.
Report FBI visits to the FOP and also to the Department - if you discover or are informed that you are the subject of an outside agency investigation, you are required by order to notify the Department. Don't get hung up ion technicalities. It's only a To-From.
Sound advice.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
66 Comments:
So... Don't order any pizza delivery while under investigation? The wrong!
A guy who use to be the job didn't take the advice we got from the older guys when we got on the job. The older guys use to say never trust a FED and never let them in your home. He didn't listen and let the FBI in his house. He wanted answers too and wanted to help catch the guy who fucked him and 4 others over.
Just as the older timers said, the FBI told him they wanted to talk to him about someone else that he knew and had dealt with. The thing about it, the bad guy is still free but my partner along with the 4 civilians ended up doing time. Even though he got the very minimum he's still fucked for letting them in his house and answering their questions without an attorney.
Later, when he hired an attorney, the first thing his attorney told him was don't ever trust a fed.
Are the feebs investigating cases, where the victims of police misconduct were paid off? I think many officers are going to be dragged in for questioning, and others punished for the code of silence. Eddie wants a whole new department, where the taxpayers are no longer going to be strung-out for police incivility. It' going to be a new day for us.
The good thing fo me is I don't answer my door if I don't know who you are, and I don't answer my phone if I don't recognize the number. My doorbell doesn't work either. As Joe Walsh sang, "....leave me a message, maybe I'll call...".
They also need a warrant to enter your home and you have the same rights as any other citizen. I require consul
Also remember you can be charged with lying to the FBI. But if you don't talk to them, it's hard to be charged with lying. LOL
First thing, Call Your Lawyer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you do not have one, find one ASAP!
Remember that Miranda Warning. It applies to you! And
STFU, let your lawyer do the talking.
Watch out for the new faces around some of the units. Word is that some enterprising young officers are going into the units to weed out some bad teams in exchange for a fast track promotion.
"They also need a warrant to enter your home and you have the same rights as any other citizen. I require consul
3/30/2016 12:43:00 AM"
Wrong. If you let them in your house and agree to talk they don't need anything. It's pretty basic police work. The question is, why do you not understand this?
don't answer any kind of questions either, exercise your right to remain silent, ask for your attorney: reference FOP Book
Whenever the door bell rings I look at my security system monitor and see who it is. I never answer the door for unknown individuals. The camera system that I installed also records audio. If for some reason you get a knock at your door or some feds approach you outside, activate your cell phone camera and hit record.
Do what all the criminals are doing to us. say nothing and record the feds !
Stay Fetal and just remember the 1st, 16th, 22nd and the 7th.
How am I going to get my makeup.
How come the G isn't investigating, Hillary, Daley, Madigan et.al.? ♠️
Also be careful of the guy sitting next to you in roll call. When I came on many,many years ago, there was a guy that appeared to be a police groupie. Real friendly, always waved when you saw him on the street, always popped into a restaurant at the same time you happened to be there, always frequented the watering holes we went to. A few years later it was discovered that he was a FBI agent. We never saw him again after he was outed.
There was a guy on the watch. A strange guy who just didn't seem to fit in. Had an apartment that he rented in 018. One day dude burglarized his apartment and a neighbor who saw it called the police who of course entered the apartment in search of the offender. Guess what was discovered? You got it. FBI credentials belonging to the "police officer. He too disappeared never to be seen again.
Had another guy that worked tac with us. Also a nice guy but just weird, just didn't fit in. He was a nerd. A nice guy but a nerd. Never had a steady partner,always wanted to jump from team to team. One day he walks in and says he was quitting,joining the Air Marshals Service. I didn't believe him so after a while I did some sniffing around and found out that he was a FBI agent. Now to be honest with you I don't really know if the was FBI when he was with us or did he really join the FAM's and then the FBI. But I know for a fact that he is FBI now. But my point is coppers have big mouths. Keep your mouth shut and act as if your partner today is an FBI agent. Because you don't know, he really might be. I guarantee you that they are here perhaps sitting right next to you in the roll call room or maybe even in the squad car.
Not every district, not every watch. but they are here. If they were here in the early eighties, I think we can all pretty much assume they are here now with this administration and the anti-police climate we now have.
Better call saul!
Never ever talk to the feds.
game on.... let them in
Say NOTHING to the FBI without a COMPETENT attorney, and I don't mean your buddy on the Watch who has a law degree! The attorney you select is vital, but cops to save a couple of dollars will hire the lawyer who did their house closing with a police discount. UNDERSTAND CLEARLY, LYING TO THE FBI IS AN OFFENSE FOR WHICH YOU CAN BE SENT TO PRISON! Lying to ANY Federal Agent is an offense for which you may be imprisoned. Martha Stewart went to prison for lying to an agent of the Security and Exchange Commission, because they were Federal Agents. The Feds will set you up by sending Two Agents; One Agent is a witness to verify what the other testifies to. And remember, sometimes by giving the wrong information, intentionally or innocently, we may be lying. "We are Prisoners of what we say, and Masters of what we do not say." Coppers may think they are sharper than the hillbilly Agent, but they will trip your ass up. Stay Fedal, Stay Fetal, Stay Fetal, now, by word and deed. Baby"G"
Blue flu
If you're not in custody, they don't have to give you Miranda Warnings.
When you're in your home, you're probably not in custody.
Beware. This is the FBI's M.O.
I've had other Feds tell me never trust the FBI. They're rats, plain and simple. It's not about finding the truth but rather a witch hunt and bragging rights to "take down" another fed or cop. A career builder if you will. Such lowly fucks. Too scared to be on the streets but so brave to fuck with those who do. In the Chicago case, *did work.*
Don't forget to demand overtime pay if they try this stunt.
Its the same if you got called down on your day off.
Dont even talk to these cocksuckers. Call a Lawyer.
"Watch out for the new faces around some of the units. Word is that some enterprising young officers are going into the units to weed out some bad teams in exchange for a fast track promotion.
3/30/2016 01:02:00 AM"
That's a crock of bullshit, seeing no one is going into a unit without a phone call or a BJ.
"nonymous said...
Watch out for the new faces around some of the units. Word is that some enterprising young officers are going into the units to weed out some bad teams in exchange for a fast track promotion.
3/30/2016 01:02:00 AM
Shades of Mitch Ware's C-5. Same idea, but new, inexperienced kids screwed up all they touched.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Watch out for the new faces around some of the units. Word is that some enterprising young officers are going into the units to weed out some bad teams in exchange for a fast track promotion.
3/30/2016 01:02:00 AM
So has the old C-5 unit been revived?
Does the union cover you if you are retired?
Watch out for the new faces around some of the units. Word is that some enterprising young officers are going into the units to weed out some bad teams in exchange for a fast track promotion.
Really???? Is that the word??? Did you hear that while you were working at the desk??? You're ridiculous and watch too many bad TV police dramas while you should be working.
Police like you have no friends...
As a sworn officer you must speak with them, but it doesn't have to be immediate and it doesn't have to be in your house. Your first question should be "am i under investigation?". Then say you would like to schedule the interview at their office, at a time convenient to you and your lawyer. Absolutely never allow them to enter your home without a warrant. Tell your spouse & children to never allow anyone to enter your home. They can wait outside and speak to you on your porch.
The Feds don't want to record any interviews or interrogations this way they can twist what and say what say you lied or left out anything. They not only want to trap you they want to turn you into an informant by threatening you with "lying to a federal agent".
The FBI uses recorded conversations as evidence all the time from wire taps, undercover and sting operations. CPD must now video-record interrogations with homicide suspects. So why can't the FBI be forced to video record interviews and interrogations, if need be by court order.
This is something the FOP should step up to and get that court order.
Does this advice apply to retired officers?
This is the kind of BS that needs to be quelled in our department. Presently, taxpayers have had their fill of paying out thousands of $ for CPD bad behavior, by a few rogue cops, who make it so difficult for the many fine upstanding officers. If you see something, say something.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-police-settlements-met-20160310-story.html
Old saying -- "They never ask you a question that they don't already know the answer to."
O. T. Anonymous said...
Maybe Johnson can get that rather rotund career house
mouse, "I was a detective so I know it all" Sgt. that we
had to train him.
Fighting 014
3/29/2016 05:22:00 AM
This sounds like ISD Sgt. C.H. . He walks around the Unit bragging about how much overtime he gets, not knowing how everyone is tired of hearing him. He needs to grow up. Please go back to the Detective Division.
Anonymous said...
The Feds don't want to record any interviews or interrogations this way they can twist what and say what say you lied or left out anything. They not only want to trap you they want to turn you into an informant by threatening you with "lying to a federal agent".
The FBI uses recorded conversations as evidence all the time from wire taps, undercover and sting operations. CPD must now video-record interrogations with homicide suspects. So why can't the FBI be forced to video record interviews and interrogations, if need be by court order.
This is something the FOP should step up to and get that court order.
3/30/2016 02:45:00 PM
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Good luck with that one. You should focus on doing something for yourself.
Signed,
The Doer
Speaking of the feds, "The Justice Department found police routinely stopped people on the street for no legitimate reason" in (drumroll please)...Newark, NJ! Keep thinking these ISRs and okey dokey contact cards won't come back and bite you. Newark and Chicago have these letters in common: GM, ACLU and DOJ.
OT when is bubblehead getting transferred to financial crimes?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This is the kind of BS that needs to be quelled in our department. Presently, taxpayers have had their fill of paying out thousands of $ for CPD bad behavior, by a few rogue cops, who make it so difficult for the many fine upstanding officers. If you see something, say something.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-police-settlements-met-20160310-story.html
3/30/2016 03:59:00 PM
What needs to stop is the City offering huge settlements to people who haven't even sued, and huge settlements in lieu of taking cases to trial. THAT's where the bulk of these payouts are coming from.
remember C5...PO Stool pigeon, left the job for FBI after this unit fucked up everything they touched. On the FBI decided the Russian/Communists were right and turned traitor, now in Federal Pen...
Never trust a Fed....
Old retired Sergeant...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
How am I going to get my makeup.
3/30/2016 06:57:00 AM
You can order online from Avon or Mary Kay.
Does the union cover you if you are retired?
Are you a retired member of FOP and did you pay your yearly membership dues? If you didn't join FOP and pay your dues I'm sure you can figure out the answer. Why would FOP cover you if you don't pay your dues. The application is usually on most of the FOP newsletters that retirees get
Look out for "Police Agents". Hired snitches within the department. Don't believe me? They have a title code of 9174, they get D2 pay.
If the Feds come knocking step 1 is don't open the door but if they approach you outside and ask anything DONT say "I don't know" because if they can prove you knew it's lying to the Feds. Now they have you over a barrel. Say nothing other then keep repeating "contact my attorney"
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"They also need a warrant to enter your home and you have the same rights as any other citizen. I require consul
3/30/2016 12:43:00 AM"
Wrong. If you let them in your house and agree to talk they don't need anything. It's pretty basic police work. The question is, why do you not understand this?
3/30/2016 06:08:00 AM
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Hell, man! Can't you figure out that he meant that they needed a warrant to enter if you do not give permission.
Do not let them in and ask for their card so that your attorney call call them to set up a meeting in his office that he INTENDS to TAPE RECORD. No being charged of lying to them if they can't do their cute interrogator/witness 302 form taht will twist the truth. Not when there is a tape that has been made.
OH, and STAY FETAL!
Be careful, fetal is the word, best 3 words think,think,think on everything, don't drive like a maniac speeding to thug calls unless its a 10-1 or coppers family needing assistance slow down, priority 1 calls most are to go on with lights and sirens but nowhere does it say how fast you go! Take your time exiting the vehicle check have flashlight,taser,radio not beeping, gun secured in holster,vest on properly,name tag in place,star affixed,(Darn wheres my hat). Next arrest on signed complaints, if thug runs use your head run pursue i use the 4-8 measurement, I will pursue 4-8 sidewalk squares and broadcast description on radio,and of course do a report, go into station "Hold me down squad" and make notifications (Do not use your cell phone for police business), make sure you look concerned as you give the vin to caller! All done bathroom break, lunch,fuel, call r-man if anything is not safe and wait enjoy a cup of joe, repeat and enjoy!
Don't forget the old saying -- "They never ask a question they don't already know the answer to."
So has the old C-5 unit been revived?
3/30/2016 01:03:00 PM
LOL. You and I are real old timers. I remember the antics of C-5 and how they tried to set officers up in " integrity tests"., fake gambling in hotel rooms, planted narcotics, turning in wallet stuffed with cash to officers on the street to see what they would inventory. Legendary !
Watch out for the new faces around some of the units. Word is that some enterprising young officers are going into the units to weed out some bad teams in exchange for a fast track promotion.
3/30/2016 01:02:00 AM
Hahaha. Ask yourself what you're doing wrong.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
anyone that would go and work for this moron in 012 needs to get their head checked. Pretty much the only people he likes are "his guys" from 007. And even a few of those guys are having a tuff time defending him with all the crap hes been doing. This guy is a complete maniac womanizer in my opinon. I guarantee he gets moved from 012 because I know for a fact Eddie Johnson is not a big fan of him nor is the new chief of patrol. I see kulbida getting moved inside somewhere at 35th or some dept chiefs XO where he has a leash put on him. I know that Eddie Johnson and Kulbida have had heated words in the past and I cant see Johnson keeping him around. The only thing kulbida has protecting him is when he was shot so he wont get dumped back to XO, he will be told retire or your going way south somewhere or inside at 35th street hidden in a back room at personel or something...
He likes his team players on his little district softball team. You know the guys he gives special watch picks and time due to so they play for him. Absolute horseshit.
You should have been there last year at softball game when the old Cmdr. Of 018 got in his face on the field and called him a thief and a liar. Classic. He brought over a bunch of 007 Rusty Nail followers along with his do nothing tact boss. Total jokes. One just wonders how many businesses in 012 he puts the arm on.
Anonymous RetCPD said...
Does this advice apply to retired officers?
3/30/2016 03:47:00 PM
What do you think?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
anyone that would go and work for this moron in 012 needs to get their head checked. Pretty much the only people he likes are "his guys" from 007. And even a few of those guys are having a tuff time defending him with all the crap hes been doing. This guy is a complete maniac womanizer in my opinon. I guarantee he gets moved from 012 because I know for a fact Eddie Johnson is not a big fan of him nor is the new chief of patrol. I see kulbida getting moved inside somewhere at 35th or some dept chiefs XO where he has a leash put on him. I know that Eddie Johnson and Kulbida have had heated words in the past and I cant see Johnson keeping him around. The only thing kulbida has protecting him is when he was shot so he wont get dumped back to XO, he will be told retire or your going way south somewhere or inside at 35th street hidden in a back room at personel or something...
He likes his team players on his little district softball team. You know the guys he gives special watch picks and time due to so they play for him. Absolute horseshit.
You should have been there last year at softball game when the old Cmdr. Of 018 got in his face on the field and called him a thief and a liar. Classic. He brought over a bunch of 007 Rusty Nail followers along with his do nothing tact boss. Total jokes. One just wonders how many businesses in 012 he puts the arm on.
Heard he got bitch slapped by two connected management people who were going to have to go to midnights for three periods. First of all they aren't going and second midnights will get no relief. FOP told him to cancel all details of people assigned to midnights but working days, but that would include all his people.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Look out for "Police Agents". Hired snitches within the department. Don't believe me? They have a title code of 9174, they get D2 pay.
3/30/2016 06:11:00 PM
Oh, my God, you can't be this stupid.
Police agent is a job title code, like detective, for police officers below the rank of sergeant in Internal Affairs. There used to be a test within iad for the position. (Don't know if there still is.)
They're not 'hired snitches' who hide at your roll call. Get a grip.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT when is bubblehead getting transferred to financial crimes?
3/30/2016 05:37:00 PM
Why would he be replacing the SERGEANT who used to run it? Doesn't need anyone higher than sgt (and a sgt costs a lot less).
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT when is bubblehead getting transferred to financial crimes?
Ironically, soon.
Why don't they just approach you at work? They know where you are.
This is the kind of BS that needs to be quelled in our department. Presently, taxpayers have had their fill of paying out thousands of $ for CPD bad behavior, by a few rogue cops, who make it so difficult for the many fine upstanding officers. If you see something, say something.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-police-settlements-met-20160310-story.html
3/30/2016 03:59:00 PM
What needs to stop is the City offering huge settlements to people who haven't even sued, and huge settlements in lieu of taking cases to trial. THAT's where the bulk of these payouts are coming from.
The city was being sued for her/their behavior. I've worked with the lady with "The BlUE GLove". This is not the first suit filed against her, as some people never learn. I am more leery of being associated with rogue coppers, then FBI. Maybe we do need to stay fetal.
""Why don't they just approach you at work? They know where you are.""
Cause its not as intimidating as the "IWe know where you Live" approach. Also they are afraid your co-workers will tell you not to speak to the fucks and to get a Lawyer.
they will; knock on your door, identify themselves and ask you if you have anything that you want to talk with them about, they used this tactics on a friend of mine on some bullshit vote fraud accusation, he said no, 2 days later they come back again, this time he tells them to wait while he called his lawyer, a real lawyer, he handed them the phone and the lawyer spoke with them, they left and he got a letter saying he was under investigation, but as the police, the first contact of any type, inform your WC and make out a to from that you were visited by any outside agency regarding anything. The department will jam you good for not reporting this. a simple 2 liner will do, start a file for yourself, listing any and all contact. They will tell you the crap that you are not in any trouble but somebody else may be, save yourself etc. DONT TRUST THEM!!!! THEY ARE NOT THE POLICE.
To the goof who said you have to speak to the Feds because you are "a sworn officer", you are a DAMN FOOL! No, you do not have to speak to anyone, including I.A.D., if you are involved in an investigation that is criminal in nature. You do have to participate in an internal administrative investigation, which will begin at the conclusion of any criminal investigation. You will be informed when that phase begins with the statement "The criminal portion of this investigation has concluded..." Keep in mind that due to recent court rulings portions of that investigation, Breathalyzer results, etc., may be used against you in a prosecution. The Feds will NEVER conduct an administrative investigation and order you to answer questions, they lack the authority to do so. Remember, there are many fools that will give you advice, be careful who you listen to. To you fools, STFU with your nonsense.
Take this si a veteran copper, the stories are true they do come to your home unannounced to "visit" you, you have to be respectful, most times they have nothing concrete but are looking to "harden the cement" with your story, be careful also "No new friends" or as daley would say "Did the boys with the straight ties from down the street visit you?" Don't know how many agents are here on police capers while the politicians continue doing whatever they want, have you noticed since barry took office how many Illinois elected have been indicted? crickets! But then again how many are on deck for next Republican president waiting to be served?
Heard he got bitch slapped by two connected management people who were going to have to go to midnights for three periods. First of all they aren't going and second midnights will get no relief. FOP told him to cancel all details of people assigned to midnights but working days, but that would include all his people.
Really makes no sense to have bids to watches if all the commander has to do is take less senior po's from midnights and detail them to days. Prior details were only for 90 days. If this is the case then bid to midnights, get a better furlough and be detailed to days. Don't this that was the intent of the contract
Unless you're dirty, you shouldn't have to fear or avoid the Feds. If you are dirty then you hung yourself, not the Feds. You dig your own grave.
I worked for the bureau and dealt with them for many years. The FBI S/A' are doing what they have to do in conducting an investigation, We always got the job done and a criminal is a criminal if it be LE people or civilians, Never once did they ever conduct themselves with total integrity.
When interviewing, we have informed the person that lying to a federal agent is a crime. The agents on rare occasions use that lying to a fed statue, mostly on white crimes and political thieves.
Most S/A' do NOT take pleasure in jamming a copper, even when they have violated their oath. The local detectives in interviewing people are more prone in trying to screw someone in criminal investigation.
Lastly, a few bad apples in every LE agencies, The FBI do not tolerate S/A' using tactics to sand bag people. FBI guys are top shelf in my humble opinion. I have never seen an agent fluffing off OTJ and the hours they work are unreal. God bless all local and Federal officers of this great country.
REVISED- "Never once did they ever conduct themselves with total integrity." S/A' always conducted themselves with TOTAL INTEGERTY in all investigations."
In addition, S/A' drink alcohol, and they are totally mandated to always be fit for duty off duty. When did anyone hear that a member of the bureau got a dui or being involved in an alcohol related accident? Most agents come from police families and very few had a gold spoon growing up. Credit where credit is due men ! The FBI have cleared so many duty related police officers of shootings where local police took down a criminal. When FBI took down the dope and crook coppers robbing dope dealer's, they got rid of criminal copper' who tarnished the badge.
Give members of the bureau a break guys, they are just doing the right thing to keep our country clean.
I worked for the bureau and dealt with them for many years. The FBI S/A' are doing what they have to do in conducting an investigation, We always got the job done and a criminal is a criminal if it be LE people or civilians, Never once did they ever conduct themselves with total integrity.
When interviewing, we have informed the person that lying to a federal agent is a crime. The agents on rare occasions use that lying to a fed statue, mostly on white crimes and political thieves.
Most S/A' do NOT take pleasure in jamming a copper, even when they have violated their oath. The local detectives in interviewing people are more prone in trying to screw someone in criminal investigation.
Lastly, a few bad apples in every LE agencies, The FBI do not tolerate S/A' using tactics to sand bag people. FBI guys are top shelf in my humble opinion. I have never seen an agent fluffing off OTJ and the hours they work are unreal. God bless all local and Federal officers of this great country.
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