Crunching the Numbers
The other day, we linked the "Police OT" article that pointed out how officers are earning sizable amounts of overtime.
Realize that the media buries the really interesting stuff deep in the articles - stuff that they know you aren't going to delve 15 or 20 paragraph in to learn.
This is one of those articles...and someone read deep enough to pull out some interesting numbers:
Realize that the media buries the really interesting stuff deep in the articles - stuff that they know you aren't going to delve 15 or 20 paragraph in to learn.
This is one of those articles...and someone read deep enough to pull out some interesting numbers:
- The records show that 2,575 Chicago Police officers have retired since Emanuel took office in May 2011.
When the Chicago Police Department announced results of its latest minority recruitment campaign in February, the mayor’s press release included the following line: “Under the Emanuel administration, more than 1,600 police officers have joined the Chicago Police Department along with promotions at every rank to bolster strong leadership in the organization.”
That means the city hired 975 police officers fewer than the amount needed to honor Emanuel’s longstanding promise to keep pace with attrition and to maintain police strength at the 12,538 officers authorized by the city budget.
Those are paragraphs 13, 14 and 15, and it shows a 975 officer decrease under Rahm. Read on to paragraph 18:
- The mayor also balanced his first budget by eliminating more than 1,400 police vacancies, declaring an end to what he called the annual “shell game” of budgeting for police jobs the city had no intention of filling.
Add those 1,400 eliminated spots to the 975 fewer officers and you begin to see the problem - the force is 2,375 officers shorter than it was just since Rahm took over. That's four or five fully staffed districts. You wonder why Rahm had Garry close three districts? And close two detective areas? This was (and continues to be) a planned decimation of the CPD. And we aren't even counting the hiring freeze Shortshanks put into effect that led to the 1,400 vacancies. It ended up being a lot more than 1,400.
You think this might have something to do with the increasing homicide numbers?
You think this might have something to do with the increasing homicide numbers?
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
124 Comments:
In a move by Shanks, I was written out of a budget, and then was moved to another unit, where my title code was changed a month in the new unit. Within 6 months, two positions were eliminated.
Less police means more crime. And crime and homicides will only increase since those committing the criminal acts have no moral compass, in a community that has been used the by the demorats of the city since the 1920s.
The Daleys and Rahm view the police as a necessary evil, as are the CFD. Too much monies spent on payroll, equipment, overtime and pensions. Monies better suited for political paybacks for those who contribute to campaigns.
There's also 250,000 fewer city residents who primarliy resided in the Projects and those that are remained are fighting for their own fragmented fiefdoms and are murdering each other in the process.If you think the Dept will return to it's same level of staffing prior to Rahms election in 2011, keep wishing.
The department is so short on POs it's beyond dangerous. Morale is crushed way below sea level and with the manpower shortage time off is severely restricted which puts morale even lower. Thanks Rahm!
They better mass hire very quick or increase the VRI numbers ASAP or the city will be in bad shape this summer
In response to your question SSC, do "you think this might have something to do with the increasing numbers?" Yes it does, along with being in my favorite postion, fetal.
The real reason for the lack of hiring and the "passive layoffs" (through 55 and out with medical with 20 YOJ) has everything to do with defunding and bankrupting the pension. The city wants to have less police officers so the city's pension cost is lowered.
Anyone know how many retirements are expected in the coming next few months? There has to be quite a few of the 87 class ready to pull the pin, which makes the manpower shortage even more pronounced.
some simple math:
Original Budgeted authorized positions: 13,500
Positions removed from budget: 1,400
Remaining Budgeted positions: 12,100
So if there are 12,500 plus officers, then there are at least 400 greater than
authorized.
So next time my gas tank gets half empty, I will just reduce the capacity, and....TA-DAAAA! Completely full!!!
Oh no I don't think it has anything to do with the increasing homicides numbers lmao
Increase in backlogs too. There's nobody available to take any calls. Throw in the scammers who find out when calls are pending on their beat and hold themselves down on traffic stops that they're not really on for 45 minutes (rule 14 violation anybody?), premise checks that they're not checking for 45 minutes or the obligatory ghost hand waiver for 45 minutes and what have you to avoid answering calls with no sergeant saying anything about it and you have yourself an officer safety problem, pissed off citizens who have to wait hours for the police to show up and some disgruntled p/o's handling most of the calls in the districts getting pulled off of their beat and sector constantly. Somebody could end up getting hurt because of this.
Someone voted for this goof. He pays with the publics safety and the understaffed Police Officer.
"You think this might have something to do with the increasing homicide numbers?"
I thought being fetal had something to do with the increasing homicide numbers?
Does the 2375 include police that resigned or were fired and not "retired?"
Or is the 2375 a lower bound of the true losses?
With the ACLU and the IPRA looking over your shoulder (and up your ___), would you recommend that your kid apply to be a police officer?
Would you?
"....minority recruitment campaign.."??? So that explains the billboard that was advertising 'apply to become a Chicago Police Officer '(in Spanish print !! ) near the Ogden exit ramp off the Kennedy. Hmmm... As a Latino copper who speaks Spanish, I am offended actually. What kind of a hell of a message is this sending? That the CPD doesn't care if you can't speak or write English properly, we'll take you anyway. Wow. The dumbing of America. Quite frankly we have enough people on this job who cannot put together a grammatically correct sentence and who have horrible language skills. We don't need any more. We're police officers for chrissakes! We need to elevate ourselves regardless of our ethnic backgrounds not dumb down. The name of the campaign itself is an insult to anyone who is college educated, has a brain, and is not Caucasian.
OT - Austin Tx P.D hitting large departments looking to hve P.O.' do a lateral. Nice $$. People love the police in Texas.
http://www.austintexas.gov/department/apd-recruiting
No surprise to the guys/girls working 3x as hard.
I heard that a new class of sergeants are to be made before the summer. I don't know how many but I keep hearing 150 Sgts are set to retire soon. that'll leave a few more of us POs to fend for ourselves.
Every "official" source for Police manpower numbers
has been jiggered.
Why do you think the city hall minions are always on the blog
trying to cast any discussion regarding intentionally diminished
manpower as the "crazy talk" of a bunch of "disgruntled cops
who are in nigh near full blown rebellion."
Who are ya gonna believe?
Rahm "Weasel King" Emanuel
or your very own lying eyes that are telling you
The Police have nowhere near the presence
they had back in say 1995.
Now everyone can see why McLawEnforcementGypsy
made Rahm squirt his underoos with glee.
Rahm gushed shamelessly:
"He's straight from central casting!"
Hmmm...
We figure about a Billion and a half dollars
has been re-directed from CPD and spent on
dumb shit by Rahm...
Hell...
He introduced over a Billion dollars
in "spending initiatives" during his first year
in office.
"The Police Are the Problem..."
As Gran'daddy used to say:
"There go dat BULLSHIT
I've been tellin' you kids about."
So...
CPD manpower is actually somewhere
in the 9K's?
No wonder the media is flapping their
dick-beaters about "You Cops are making
WAY too much money."
LOL!
Just sit back and watch the armed wing
of Dude Inc. start seriously kacking
the everlovin' shit out of each other
between Memorial and Labor Days.
M/Fers will be stroking out about overtime pay.
"We gotta make the Cops interact with the community or else!"
Community says:
"Fuck yaw up in heah botherin' us fo'?
Y'all can't tell us how to do!"
OK then...
We'll be happy to watch the Summer 2016
Shit Show since we already have ringside seats.
"Why are you guys so mean, hateful, angry and cynical?"
You got three guesses and two of them might not count.
Is the info on the city's open data portal off? It lists 12,618.
https://data.cityofchicago.org/Administration-Finance/Current-Employee-Names-Salaries-and-Position-Title/xzkq-xp2w
It's not just the shrinking Department you have to worry about. What is the real agenda of the Progressive Democrat? Why have they demonized the police? They have emboldened the criminal mindset with their media coverage, right up to the office of the President who claimed they acted "stupidly" when dealing with his friend and never offered a retraction. Why have they made it impossible to do our job? Nobody really wonders why violent crime is spiking, murders and shootings are almost double and the murder of police officers is up well over 100%.
What's really going on here? What is the end game?
When I came on in 86 in a massive hiring, we were told that in 25-30 years there would be a sea change in the department, as all those hires would retire approximately at the same time. They didn't tell us that we wouldn't be replaced. Instead of doing more with less, how about doing less with less. Good luck and God bless you guys.
It has EVERYTHING to do with the increasing homicide numbers.
More and more retirees with less than 20 years on the job...amazing. Not what you expected when you signed up huh?
At the rate people are relocating away from Chicago and Cook Co., the CPD should be able to get along with fewer officers.
U think, they give a "Fuck"?
What did you expect from a socialist? The truth? These democrats are pathological liars. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. Oh, wait. We all have to make some decisions in health care.
I'll hire 1000 more officers. Oh, wait. I'll get rid of over 1000 officers. You voted for him. You got him. You get the government that you deserve.
55 YRS of age and with at least 20 yoj should take notice and leave next year.....if your a sgt who is 55 yrs old with at least 20 yoj LEAVE LEAVE LEAVE.....do not stay on this sinking ship. ....only fools remain and those of us with 20 and not 55 yrs old yet...
"...eliminating more than 1,400 police vacancies..."
Straightforward people consider a vacancy as something to be filled, not just "eliminated."
Snap! The handkerchief is whipped away, and there's nothing there.
This is the mindset of the speculator -- the selling of debt, the dealing in options on futures, insurance on insurance...
The Luftmensch, whose stock in trade is thin air.
Hi, Rahm.
OT - Austin Tx P.D hitting large departments looking to hire P.O.s, do a lateral. Nice $$. People love the police in Texas.
4/07/2016 03:13:00 AM
...and you'll get to see Rahm "networking" at SXSW!
"What's really going on here? What is the end game?"
4/07/2016 06:20:00 AM
The destruction of civilization, while darting in to grab the loose change spilled in the fracas.
"In view of this queasy multiculturalism with which we are continually affronted, it occurs to us that Western Europeans gave the world to the human race, and there is nothing harder to forgive than a favor."
-- Col. Jeff Cooper, USA (Ret.)
"The dumbing of America."
4/07/2016 02:17:00 AM
Blue Line, Red Line, Green Line, Pink Line. Understand that this idea came from L.A., which color-coded its transit system so that the illiterate would have a better chance. Just follow the pretty dots...
Every time the CTA comes up, I have to work at transposing the color into the former geographical locus, based on the names of streets and areas. "OK, it's Purple. Now where the hell does it go?"
Design for the lowest common denominator.
What's really going on here? What is the end game?
4/07/2016 06:20:00 AM
Destruction of the Republic, after which, reform, so as to fit into the New World Order-One World Gevernment. Obama and Rahm are just puppets. Someone else is pulling the strings.
Again as I said many times before remember all the officers that had rahm signs on their front lawns in mt greenwood during the election you got what you wanted now live with it. Idiots!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They better mass hire very quick or increase the VRI numbers ASAP or the city will be in bad shape this summer
4/07/2016 12:27:00 AM
How about looking past your next overtime check and at your pension check.
Start hiring now. (kind of hard with the LESS THAN 5000 that signed up for the next test!) Decrease the VRI as the new hires hit the streets so we can have people actually CONTRIBUTING to the pension fund after Officers like you and I retire!
Went to med sec yesterday. Po/nurse told me they got notified they are going all civilian end of this period. There goes our med records on the open market for sale.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Increase in backlogs too. There's nobody available to take any calls. Throw in the scammers who find out when calls are pending on their beat and hold themselves down on traffic stops that they're not really on for 45 minutes (rule 14 violation anybody?), premise checks that they're not checking for 45 minutes or the obligatory ghost hand waiver for 45 minutes and what have you to avoid answering calls with no sergeant saying anything about it and you have yourself an officer safety problem, pissed off citizens who have to wait hours for the police to show up and some disgruntled p/o's handling most of the calls in the districts getting pulled off of their beat and sector constantly. Somebody could end up getting hurt because of this.
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Twenty some years ago I considered creating a paid study group that would teach ways of being a dog ass, i.e. winning wagon wars, avoiding jobs, lengthy lunches, handwaver 101, keying out bosses, hanging out at home, hiding in plain sight, running under the radar, and, well before it's time, in general, staying FETAL.
Maybe, now is the time to come out of retirement and follow through with that idea since it's time has come and the department can no longer hold a stick over my head.
If interested, just post the following, "Dogass", and based on response, I could have a class up and running in a month.
4/07/2016 12:55:00 AM
OT --
5 shot getting off "party bus" 70/Paxton, 2 transported all the way to Northwestern Moemorial, couple to U of C...shootees are "being very uncooperative" with police.
So "don't snitch" and maybe they'll be watching for you to finish the job when you get out of the hospital.
...and people complain about a low clearance rate...
Society feels that the police are the criminal now and black society is not the problem go figure so no need for more PO's Stay fetal
Be legal.
to all the victims and family of homicide , aggravated battery , armed robbery , sexual assault , it was you that voted in the ballerina dancer .
Jesus "Chuy" Garcia promised to increase CPD by 1,000 police officers .
All smoke and mirrors kiddies. All that matters is the club getting their kids made before they themselves retire. Or the Mobs.
Thats the thing. Make LT and then see how the dice roll.
We are entering into a perfect storm this summer of handcuffed,burned out police and a wave of massive thuggery. This has to be by design.
Someone commented earlier that he was not being fetal, he was being legal. Faced with the trifecta of DOJ, ACLU and BLAM! watching your every move and passing judgment, it's the only sane thing to do. Interact with the savages up to the point where you might possibly be on the verge of violating their civil rights and then withdraw. You might even be restricted from givin' the yutes mean looks as you drive by.
Everybody is happy except for the victims gettin' kilt, robbed and beaten, but you won't be the out of control copper on the 5 o'clock news.
There could be 2,000 more officers or 10,000. It wouldn't matter with regards to crime statistics. Much else must change in City and County politics before the police will start being proactive again.
You have activist racist judges advocating from the bench with an axe to grind, finding no probable cause or letting frivolous lawsuits go forward or releasing felons early; aldermen and the Mayor all too ready to blame the police for the shortcomings of the politicians themselves; coddling of thugs, generations of welfare recipients, protesters who disrupt and assault normal everyday people shopping and working. You get the idea.
This game is rigged against law and order, and will remain so until the people of Chicago want change and demand reform, and replace these rotten corrupt faithless dishonorable politicians and judges.
The generational welfare and section 8 scam must also end. And quit dicking around about the street gangs, declare them outlawed as criminal conspiratorial organizations that promote public disorder and urban terror, and let's start putting these 100,000 gangbanger assholes in jail.
But it won't happen. So it doesn't matter how many cops we have on the dept., except perhaps where officer safety is concerned, of course.
On another note, the vehicle I am forced to patrol in has 130k miles. And smells it. How about some new cars? Or at least some new seats? These cars smell like a bum's asshole.
Thought folks might like to have this little fact handy:
According to statistics from criminologist Richard R. Johnson, for every black male who is killed by a cop, forty black males are killed by other black males. But don’t hold your breath waiting for them to riot over this fact. They have much more statistically insignificant fish to fry.
http://takimag.com/article/the_week_that_perished_takimag_april_03_2016/print#ixzz45A3wsXPa
Under Mayor Daley:
demolition of CHA low-income housing units and now +
Under Emanuel:
black on black crimes statistics =
Black lives Matter?
If you want to lessen the pension costs allow officers to forego pension in exchange for no residency requirement but a bump in pay. Lay out a plan that would allow officers who have 10 years or more of service to "opt-in" the plan or something of that nature. As long as you keep up with attrition the number of officers that would actually take the option would be less than new hires that have to stay minimum of 10 years. I doubt there are many officers that would choose the plan because they would then have to dilligently invest and manage their money, but for those that would like it, it would eliminate a full individual pension obligation for the city.
raise mandatory retirement to age 65 , offer 3% cola for officers that leave at mandatory retirement age ,I will stay 61 years old now and not ready to retire in two years , old timers are on time , work a full shift and do not complain
love working that VRI , big $$$
Hey, if they really wanted to hire more police officers, they would not flunk out people who missed 1-sit up, lifted your knee on the sit and reach, missed the run by 4 seconds,,,,if they really think that missing by that little means your not going to be a good police officer or that you won't be in shape by the end of the academy class they are fucking idiots at H.R. i know they are giving second chances, but people who scored several thousand below you will have a chance several years before you....hey its not sorry grapes just saying what might be right....
OT - Austin Tx P.D hitting large departments looking to hve P.O.' do a lateral. Nice $$. People love the police in Texas.
http://www.austintexas.gov/department/apd-recruiting
Remember if you do lateral out. Some states allow long arm/handgun open carry. Like Texas and Michigan FYI.
The 'end game' is to have the cities burn and riot and have homicides go through the roof. Eventually the ghetto dwellers will branch out to the 'suburbs' and in the interests of 'public safety' radical gun control (confiscation?) will be pushed through, even if it takes 'executive action'. The last 8 years have shown that as long as the R's get to wet their beaks they won't upset the apple cart. There will be more and more 'unarmed citizens unjustly killed by the police' until the beneficent federal government decides that it can't allow the po-leece to kill any more voters. Again by executive order there will be formed a Federal Police agency that will be in charge of all local policing activities, and run by people of the like McCarthy and the other backstabbers of the 'de escalation' ilk. Anybody that won't agree to be 'retrained' is gone. Then the G has all the control, no guns, Federal Police who can't or won't talk back, a socialist paradise.
During the years of the 900 plus a year homicides we had over 2000 more officers on the department. So this argument of more cops less homicides doesnt make sense.
The door opened when richie delay started the 55 n out to reduce the payroll by eliminating the top salaries and that was years before 1/2 digit. The payroll/ budgeted numbers game was going on for years and as long as he fed us a fish, albeit a lean one FLOP bit their tongue on saying anything. They always counted the district manpower, detailed out and specialized units together. SCAM !!!!
Don't forget, 1986 was one of the biggest hiring years - they will ALL have thirty years on this year... Can you spell hemmorhage?
Once again RAHM and his minions are committing fraud!
The Alderman vote on budget for a reason and RAHM does what he want by scamming the manpower.
But is he only doing it on manpower?
We seem to have less squad cars also? is that cash being moved around to pay Lori lightfoot?
Gps not working, PDT for squad cars not repaired for months, printer down yet nobody has answer.
And the Commander and exempts whose jobs it is to monitor these equipment needs? SILENT hell most of us could not even name whose is in charge of issuing vehicles!
Schools being closed police station being closed and millions of dollars in real estate remains abandoned in premium areas of the city.
Yep RAHM is a financial wizard and Clay pool is his asshat.
Off Topic:
I was checking out the city of Chicago data portal and noticed that FOIA request made to the Police department has not been updated for a few years.
Does anyone have a logical reason why the City would hide the medias request for videos and case reports?
I don't even see the monthly request made by Loev&Loevy for all those use of force request and copies of Feds subpoenas investigating the City?
I know they are out their because the commander hates them with a passion he actually has to read the reports so he is not blindsided.
That slippery weasel Rahm has no intention of ever bringing us back to full strength and he absolutely has no intention of ever honoring the city's end of our pension obligation.
Karma's a bitch Rahm.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
some simple math:
Original Budgeted authorized positions: 13,500
Positions removed from budget: 1,400
Remaining Budgeted positions: 12,100
So if there are 12,500 plus officers, then there are at least 400 greater than
authorized.
So next time my gas tank gets half empty, I will just reduce the capacity, and....TA-DAAAA! Completely full!!!
4/07/2016 12:39:00 AM
This is actually an old idea that has been already used. In the 80's there were shortages in manning beat cars. Bad press in the papers. So what did the powers-that-be do? The city re-beated districts going from 4 sectors to 3 and 3 beats in each sector. Problem solved. Another game played is the "detail.". Every district has mystery officers in the official district tally that really work somewhere else. Only thing that does not get downsized is the bloated command staff.
Rahm what us to do more with less and we are we have MORE shootings, homicides, and just MORE crime so Rahm wins Stay Fetal
Rahm's agit-prop war on CPD
+ "Stick it in the Cops ear"
x "De-Fund The Police"/Divert over $1 Billion from CPD
/ "Lookit all the overtime you Cops cost US!"
= A plausible 2500 to 4000+ reduction in manpower?
Heh...
Once upon a time there were 25 Districts with at least 400 to 500+
Officers EACH!
We wonder what happened?
More people will be leaving not just from retirements but thoses that say screw this I'm out.
Good luck to those that stay, your going to need it.
nonymous said...
Is the info on the city's open data portal off? It lists 12,618.
https://data.cityofchicago.org/Administration-Finance/Current-Employee-Names-Salaries-and-Position-Title/xzkq-xp2w
4/07/2016 05:37:00 AM
Yea it's off...about 12000 currently paying into pension
Down about 3,000 do the math !
Officers are pulling the plug at 20yrs now...nobody wants to stay if they dont have to...classes of 95 and 96 can go now...class of 97 has 11months...the academy was packed to the rafters in those years...you think there's no manpower now,just wait..
The gangs are going wild and people do not get involved unless they think they might get something out of it for themselves. And you have people making false complaints like the punk who called in a fake man with a gun which resulted in an innocent man being shot to death by the police. At least they are charging him with making false complaints. They should do that here in Chicago, I be some of this shootings and killings would go down.
CPD needs to work together with FOP to fight residency during next contract negotiations. Many municipalities are going away from the requirement. This could increase quality of candidates of all races to appease the city's desire to be more diverse. Everyone mentions "mass exodus" but that simply would not happen. Us PO's with young children have a long road ahead of us regarding education.
Save the "you knew what you signed up for". I understand. But it's time to bring to bargaining table. And, the whole be a part of your community..... Ok, let me work in 016 with my 9 years then.
I heard that a new class of sergeants are to be made before the summer. I don't know how many but I keep hearing 150 Sgts are set to retire soon. that'll leave a few more of us POs to fend for ourselves.
4/07/2016 04:21:00 AM
When is this Sgt class suppose to be made? Your going to have 100 PO's training to be Sgt at the beginning of the summer? Doesn't sound right but who knows.
If you read the paragraphs at a whisper tone it all makes sense.
There is a storm brewing concerning this OT thing.
Why does Chicago have the same amount of alderman as New York City since New York is more populated?And why do Chicago alderman make more than New York reps.?
Kudos to the 61 year old for still wanting to stay. Other than that, keep your mandatory 65 to retire to yourself. Just because it won't affect you, you feel it should be imposed upon all. You must be a delightful specimen to work with, being self serving and all about you.
raise mandatory retirement to age 65 , offer 3% cola for officers that leave at mandatory retirement age ,I will stay 61 years old now and not ready to retire in two years , old timers are on time , work a full shift and do not complain
love working that VRI , big $$$
4/07/2016 01:22:00 PM
You got to be kidding raise retirement this is a young mans game and how well could you handle a fight at your age and don't tell you could cause you be f@cking lying. Your 61years old there is a life beyond the police department, do something beside showing up for work.
Sorry off topic , but what a bunch of BS with CPD using airport parking lots to give tickets on expired tags, like many people my son didn't pay attention to his tags, expired 3 days. I am sure this is coming from the top , got to use out of towners to fund the city. I always gave 30 days grace in the good old days, but Chicago will get money any way they can.
Hey, if they really wanted to hire more police officers, they would not flunk out people who missed 1-sit up, lifted your knee on the sit and reach, missed the run by 4 seconds,,,,if they really think that missing by that little means your not going to be a good police officer or that you won't be in shape by the end of the academy class they are fucking idiots at H.R.
4/07/2016 01:25:00 PM
Well, as someone who gets back into shape about once a year for the physical fitness test, I wouldn't be happy if someone didn't pass the test legit. It's not like the standards are a secret or something, and I SUCK at running. Funny to see all the jocks with their head as red as a beet trying to get that last sit-up in.
Anonymous said...
In a move by Shanks, I was written out of a budget, and then was moved to another unit, where my title code was changed a month in the new unit. Within 6 months, two positions were eliminated.
If you had your own title code, and got moved from one special unit to another, I'd say you've been taken care of pretty well. What exactly are you complaining about? What were these specific positions that were eliminated, and why was that a problem? I'll wait patiently while you avoid answering.
http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/from-handcuffs-to-a-helping-hand-cpd-reaching-out-to-addicts/
Fuck this shit, how sweet cpd......stay outta collar counties cuz we charge
some simple math:
Original Budgeted authorized positions: 13,500
Positions removed from budget: 1,400
Remaining Budgeted positions: 12,100
So if there are 12,500 plus officers, then there are at least 400 greater than
authorized.
So next time my gas tank gets half empty, I will just reduce the capacity, and....TA-DAAAA! Completely full!!!
4/07/2016 12:39:00 AM
Maybe you should forget the simple math and focus on simple reading. The budgeted number is 12,500+, which is 975 more than the current manpower. That means we're 975 below the budgeted manpower, and 2375 below the previous budgeted manpower. Simple math tells me you run out of gas a lot.
OT - Austin Tx P.D hitting large departments looking to hve P.O.' do a lateral. Nice $$. People love the police in Texas.
http://www.austintexas.gov/department/apd-recruiting
4/07/2016 03:13:00 AM
Austin is the most liberal city in Texas, with the highest number of liberal, hipster, douchebags. If you want to work in Texas, find a city where they actually like the police.
How does L.A.P.D do it with 10,000 cops and a larger population?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
raise mandatory retirement to age 65 , offer 3% cola for officers that leave at mandatory retirement age ,I will stay 61 years old now and not ready to retire in two years , old timers are on time , work a full shift and do not complain
love working that VRI , big $$$
4/07/2016 01:22:00 PM
Mandatory retirement age should be 55. Everyone else is a heart attach waiting to happen!
Anonymous said...
CPD needs to work together with FOP to fight residency during next contract negotiations. Many municipalities are going away from the requirement. This could increase quality of candidates of all races to appease the city's desire to be more diverse. Everyone mentions "mass exodus" but that simply would not happen. Us PO's with young children have a long road ahead of us regarding education.
Save the "you knew what you signed up for". I understand. But it's time to bring to bargaining table. And, the whole be a part of your community..... Ok, let me work in 016 with my 9 years then.
4/07/2016 07:41:00 PM
CPD is the city. They don't work with the FOP in contact negotiations. The city wants the residency requirement. If they had it their way, they'd want every P.O. living in the highest crime areas of the city. The FOP needs to fight the city to lift the residency requirement. The problem with that, is that it will never happen, at least not without giving up way more than necessary. Residency is here to stay.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
raise mandatory retirement to age 65 , offer 3% cola for officers that leave at mandatory retirement age ,I will stay 61 years old now and not ready to retire in two years , old timers are on time , work a full shift and do not complain
love working that VRI , big $$$
4/07/2016 01:22:00 PM
Is this E from midway? Ahh you already get cola dumbass!
(OT) bill Clinton calling out black lies matter:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/04/08/tell-truth-bill-clinton-clashes-with-black-lives-matter-protesters.html
Anonymous Anonymous said...
CPD needs to work together with FOP to fight residency during next contract negotiations. Many municipalities are going away from the requirement. This could increase quality of candidates of all races to appease the city's desire to be more diverse. Everyone mentions "mass exodus" but that simply would not happen. Us PO's with young children have a long road ahead of us regarding education.
Save the "you knew what you signed up for". I understand. But it's time to bring to bargaining table. And, the whole be a part of your community..... Ok, let me work in 016 with my 9 years then.
4/07/2016 07:41:00 PM
What will you give up to move out of the city. It will not be cheap. I see no reason why the city would give it up.
raise mandatory retirement to age 65 , offer 3% cola for officers that leave at mandatory retirement age ,I will stay 61 years old now and not ready to retire in two years , old timers are on time , work a full shift and do not complain
love working that VRI , big $$$
Good for you asshole. Work until your 63 then go find another job. You fucking hand job
975 x $85,000(avg) = $82,875,000
Not including benefits (9%? Pension payments), overtime, radios, cars, training, tasers, yearly qualification and miscellaneous department provided equipment. Will some reporter please do some mathand see where the money from these budgeted positions ended up?
They are only giving second chances to those who fail the initial power test to members of "the community". Two of my buddies failed it a year ago. No second chance. Never notified to come back and try again. Nothing. However two "community members" I work with were given a second chance weeks after they initially failed. Ironically they both failed again. So there you go. Second chance on the PT only applies to "certain people".
OT - Austin Tx P.D hitting large departments looking to hve P.O.' do a lateral. Nice $$. People love the police in Texas.
http://www.austintexas.gov/department/apd-recruiting
Remember if you do lateral out. Some states allow long arm/handgun open carry. Like Texas and Michigan FYI.
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Austin PD, great bunch of guys but Last time I checked, Austin PD does a lateral but not a complete one. You still have to do a 4 month modified academy (their normal academy is 8 months long) That doesn't sound appealing at all. Especially since you come from doing patrol in Chicago.
Is there still a commander of traffic? Is that position really necessary? How many other strange, useless positions are there?
Anonymous said...
What's really going on here? What is the end game?
4/07/2016 06:20:00 AM
Destruction of the Republic, after which, reform, so as to fit into the New World Order-One World Gevernment. Obama and Rahm are just puppets. Someone else is pulling the strings.
4/07/2016 09:31:00 AM
The string pullers are at the Bilderberg(spelling?)conference every year.
They are Fabian socialists-look it up.
Anonymous said...
CPD needs to work together with FOP to fight residency during next contract negotiations.
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Please give insider info so I can sell my house before people khow the rule may get changed. City employees are the fabric that hold the city together.
Not to be a downer but under home rule the city can impose the rule.
During the years of the 900 plus a year homicides we had over 2000 more officers on the department. So this argument of more cops less homicides doesnt make sense.
It does make sense. Once again, medical advancements are what is keeping the murder number down as low as it is. Without the paramedic and trauma system, we would already be in the 300s, meaning we would be over a 1,000 by year's end.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
During the years of the 900 plus a year homicides we had over 2000 more officers on the department. So this argument of more cops less homicides doesnt make sense.
4/07/2016 02:56:00 PM
I have to disagree. More officers means higher visibility, and less of a chance they will begin shooting. We can't say how many shootings have been stopped just by a copper driving by, giving Shitavious cold feet.
There is another reason for the higher homicide totals back then as opposed to now, and it has nothing to do with number of officers on the streets. Since the 90's there have been improvements in the medical field, and technology like the cellphone. The lives of many persons shot now are being saved, whereas 25 years ago, those gun shot wounds would have been fatal. Cellphone enable medical attention to be administered quicker. Back then, someone had to run home or find a pay phone to call 911.
I think a better comparison might be number of persons shot those years as opposed to now.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The 'end game' is to have the cities burn and riot and have homicides go through the roof. Eventually the ghetto dwellers will branch out to the 'suburbs' and in the interests of 'public safety' radical gun control (confiscation?) will be pushed through, even if it takes 'executive action'. The last 8 years have shown that as long as the R's get to wet their beaks they won't upset the apple cart. There will be more and more 'unarmed citizens unjustly killed by the police' until the beneficent federal government decides that it can't allow the po-leece to kill any more voters. Again by executive order there will be formed a Federal Police agency that will be in charge of all local policing activities, and run by people of the like McCarthy and the other backstabbers of the 'de escalation' ilk. Anybody that won't agree to be 'retrained' is gone. Then the G has all the control, no guns, Federal Police who can't or won't talk back, a socialist paradise.
4/07/2016 02:38:00 PM
The left is so brazen, it loves to tell us exactly what they are going to do. Remember when Jugears said he wanted a National Security Force, just as well equipped as our military? They have plans for us, more along the lines of what Bill Ayers wants to do to 25 million Americans.
CPD is the city. They don't work with the FOP in contact negotiations. The city wants the residency requirement. If they had it their way, they'd want every P.O. living in the highest crime areas of the city. The FOP needs to fight the city to lift the residency requirement. The problem with that, is that it will never happen, at least not without giving up way more than necessary. Residency is here to stay.
CPD as in the Officers need to band together and voice their concerns to FOP to include seriously in negotiations.
Anonymous said...
raise mandatory retirement to age 65 , offer 3% cola for officers that leave at mandatory retirement age ,I will stay 61 years old now and not ready to retire in two years , old timers are on time , work a full shift and do not complain
love working that VRI , big $$$
Are you kidding me? Sounds like you're on your fourth marriage with small children, living check to check. Didn't bother to put anything in deferred comp? Get a hobby.
Anonymous said...
raise mandatory retirement to age 65 , offer 3% cola for officers that leave at mandatory retirement age ,I will stay 61 years old now and not ready to retire in two years , old timers are on time , work a full shift and do not complain
love working that VRI , big $$$
Good for you asshole. Work until your 63 then go find another job. You fucking hand job
4/08/2016 12:49:00 AM
From the city's point of view having officers stay till 65 or 67 has some benefits. One is that you will die younger therefore easing the pension burden. Another is that you will not be hard charging and less lightly to get involved in an arrest easing the pressure on the jails and court system which also means less liability for use of force, false arrests incidents etc.
Hey, if they really wanted to hire more police officers, they would not flunk out people who missed 1-sit up, lifted your knee on the sit and reach, missed the run by 4 seconds,,,,if they really think that missing by that little means your not going to be a good police officer or that you won't be in shape by the end of the academy class they are fucking idiots at H.R.
So we should lower the standards for you because you can't pass the power test that the rest of us DID pass. You had MONTHS to prepare to pass four pretty simple things. You must have CPD confused with CPS. Just because they pushed your sorry ass through so you graduate with a bunch of stupid balloons and teddy bears, doesn't mean CPD will too. If you lack self discipline to get in shape before your hired, it's too late now. No one is going to wait while YOU catch up. I can just hear you. It's too hot to run! Bear crawls w a h my knees hurt. Running the stairs with the doors closed , I have asthma the air is stale. Cry baby b***h!
Don't forget, 1986 was one of the biggest hiring years - they will ALL have thirty years on this year... Can you spell hemmorhage.
No offense but I don't see many p.o's from 1986 working a beat car in my district. Probably none.
To any sworn officer who has 30 years on the job and is still working, something must be wrong in your financial planning. You can always keep working and make overtime if you stay, but your paying into the pension without any further benefit. When is it enough money for you? Considering the stress that is underlying in your life everyday, remember, you cannot make up the years of your life! Please crunch the financial numbers and cut the umbilical cord. Retire and enjoy your life. Signed, a 30 year man.
How does L.A.P.D do it with 10,000 cops and a larger population?
Because like miami PD they have other jurisdictions that overlap L.A.P.D. ANd before u say we have cook cty sheriff dept most of them work the courts and the jails. The few others are working unincorporated areas of crook cty.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
There is a storm brewing concerning this OT thing.
4/07/2016 08:16:00 PM
Was just downtown not going to put it here to give media there stories, but it's not a storm its a massive earthquake watch who falls! The doj is not here just for looking around, rahms throwing people not under the bus under the Titanic which is already at the bottom of the ocean! "fallen Gold star club!" Get your popcorn this is going to be epic!
During the years of the 900 plus a year homicides we had over 2000 more officers on the department. So this argument of more cops less homicides doesnt make sense.
These are different times. 1st medical advancements have saved hundreds of lives every year that 20 years ago would be D.O.A. s. 2nd we are down 4000 coppers and rising and people shot is now rising as fast. The numbers would be worse but McFART has been fibbing those for the last 3 years.
heard that a new class of sergeants are to be made before the summer. I don't know how many but I keep hearing 150 Sgts are set to retire soon. that'll leave a few more of us POs to fend for ourselves.
4/07/2016 04:21:00 AM
When is this Sgt class suppose to be made? Your going to have 100 PO's training to be Sgt at the beginning of the summer? Doesn't sound right but who knows.
Supposed to be starting in May.
16 May is the last day for Sgts to leave with 55 and out health care.
They guessing at leat 75 sgts put in their walking papers. Might go higher.
If you can go.....please go and enjoy your life. If your staying because of greed, no life, or enjoy this shit......please get your head out of your ass. It will only get worse!!!
"OT - Austin Tx P.D hitting large departments looking to hire P.O.'s - do a lateral. Nice $$. People love the police in Texas."
4/07/2016 03:13:00 AM
Besides -- you'll get to see Rahm "networking" at SXSW!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT - Austin Tx P.D hitting large departments looking to hve P.O.' do a lateral. Nice $$. People love the police in Texas.
http://www.austintexas.gov/department/apd-recruiting
Remember if you do lateral out. Some states allow long arm/handgun open carry. Like Texas and Michigan FYI.
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Austin PD, great bunch of guys but Last time I checked, Austin PD does a lateral but not a complete one. You still have to do a 4 month modified academy (their normal academy is 8 months long) That doesn't sound appealing at all. Especially since you come from doing patrol in Chicago.
4/08/2016 03:41:00 AM
Four months in their academy, warm, safe and dry, learning the ins and outs of your new and much-improved job. Sounds like a small investment for a huge return.
CPD is the city. They don't work with the FOP in contact negotiations. The city wants the residency requirement. If they had it their way, they'd want every P.O. living in the highest crime areas of the city. The FOP needs to fight the city to lift the residency requirement. The problem with that, is that it will never happen, at least not without giving up way more than necessary. Residency is here to stay.
4/07/2016 11:08:00 PM
No, the City doesn't want police officers living in the highest crime areas.
The City has EXACTLY what it wants; city workers live in the highest real estate tax paying areas.
City workers are trapped inside the city, but because they choose the best areas they can afford, they also pay a huge percentage of Chicago's real estate taxes.
Sorry off topic , but what a bunch of BS with CPD using airport parking lots to give tickets on expired tags, like many people my son didn't pay attention to his tags, expired 3 days. I am sure this is coming from the top , got to use out of towners to fund the city. I always gave 30 days grace in the good old days, but Chicago will get money any way they can.
Nobody is to blame but your son. Had he taken care of business and squared away his tags there wouldn't be any ticket. Responsibility, accountability, discipline, consequences. Life lessons that need to be learned. Chicago doesn't get anyone's money if people have the proper stickers on their cars. It's only a ticket. He'll be ok.
Duh?
Back in 2011 I told all you chumps that McDrinkiePoo was just here to slash and burn.
And some assholes wanted to argue other pro/con points about the jagoff.
Anonymous said...
How does L.A.P.D do it with 10,000 cops and a larger population?
4/07/2016 10:58:00 PM
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LA has specialty police departments that Chicago does not have for example transit and school police
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
How does L.A.P.D do it with 10,000 cops and a larger population?
4/07/2016 10:58:00 PM
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LA has specialty police departments that Chicago does not have for example transit and school police
4/08/2016 04:36:00 PM
They also use the County Cops too.
Hey, if they really wanted to hire more police officers, they would not flunk out people who missed 1-sit up, lifted your knee on the sit and reach, missed the run by 4 seconds,,,,if they really think that missing by that little means your not going to be a good police officer or that you won't be in shape by the end of the academy class they are fucking idiots at H.R.
4/07/2016 01:25:00 PM
Well, as someone who gets back into shape about once a year for the physical fitness test, I wouldn't be happy if someone didn't pass the test legit. It's not like the standards are a secret or something, and I SUCK at running. Funny to see all the jocks with their head as red as a beet trying to get that last sit-up in.
4/07/2016 10:14:00 PM
That test has always been garbage. It's a completely biased and unfair test with lower standards across the board for women. That shitty test gets rid of a lot of good, able bodied candidates. When's the last time you chased an offender on foot for a mile and a half? What does the amount of terrible, unsafe, sit-ups you can do in a minute have to do with any function of being the police? What does bench pressing a percentage of your body weight have to do with anything? I can curl more with one arm than some of these women coming in there have to bench press. Then you have some big 6'5" guy that has to bench so much weight that he could press three of those women stacked up and he fails because he could only bench 250 and not 270. It's a stupid test that should have been changed long ago. How about they do it like the military which simply requires you to have a functioning body and be within a certain weight limit when you start the academy. Structure the academy training properly to get everyone in shape together as a unit that celebrates team work. The academy is and always has been run like shit.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
CPD as in the Officers need to band together and voice their concerns to FOP to include seriously in negotiations.
4/08/2016 09:14:00 AM
Not part of contract it's state law. We could get it changed but what are you going to give up to get it changed?
hat test has always been garbage. It's a completely biased and unfair test with lower standards across the board for women. That shitty test gets rid of a lot of good, able bodied candidates. When's the last time you chased an offender on foot for a mile and a half? What does the amount of terrible, unsafe, sit-ups you can do in a minute have to do with any function of being the police? What does bench pressing a percentage of your body weight have to do with anything? I can curl more with one arm than some of these women coming in there have to bench press. Then you have some big 6'5" guy that has to bench so much weight that he could press three of those women stacked up and he fails because he could only bench 250 and not 270. It's a stupid test that should have been changed long ago. How about they do it like the military which simply requires you to have a functioning body and be within a certain weight limit when you start the academy. Structure the academy training properly to get everyone in shape together as a unit that celebrates team work. The academy is and always has been run like shit.
I could NOT disagree with you more! If you want the fucking job, then do what you need to do...GET IN SHAPE and PASS the fucking power test! if you don't want it, fine...sit on your ass and watch it expand. Numerous generations have been hired who were fully ABLE to do whatever was required of them by the dept. in order to get hired. If you want something bad enough, work for it!I passed the completely voluntary power test every yer for 10 years until I retired. It wasn't about the crappy little $250 (until they began to take out taxes on it, which made it even crappier), it was all about the pride!
Sorry off topic , but what a bunch of BS with CPD using airport parking lots to give tickets on expired tags, like many people my son didn't pay attention to his tags, expired 3 days. I am sure this is coming from the top , got to use out of towners to fund the city. I always gave 30 days grace in the good old days, but Chicago will get money any way they can.
Nobody is to blame but your son. Had he taken care of business and squared away his tags there wouldn't be any ticket. Responsibility, accountability, discipline, consequences. Life lessons that need to be learned. Chicago doesn't get anyone's money if people have the proper stickers on their cars. It's only a ticket. He'll be ok.
Whoever responded to the complainant above, well said! And to the parent...your 'kid' is an adult, who owns a car. It's his problem, please do yourself (and your adult kid) a favor, and let THEM deal with it!
I don't understand what some of you are complaining about. CPD isn't the only Dept that requires you to pass a power test before joining. There are ALOT of Depts that require it, even in the conservative South (I know cause I'm researching them for when I leave this shithole.) With that being said, we all know it's a joke of a test and the standards arent really that high....so WHY CAN'T SOME PEOPLE PASS IT? If you're trying to get on the job, push ur ass away from the dinner table and hit the gym. Its not rocket science. If you don't have the will power to merely try and get in shape for a job you say you really want, you don't want the job. It's the same as some of you who talk about "certain" groups who wash out cause they refuse to stop smoking weed and can't pass the drug test.....
Let's just put this to bed folks......RESIDENCY CAN be lifted here no matter what anyone from the City or Dept says. Courts in other MAJOR cities have ruled in favor of not requiring residency so there is presidence. The problem we've had here is 1) we've tried to negotiate it in contract talks (the City isn't going for that) 2) The argument made in court on workers behalf was piss poor....prob cause they hired an attorney fresh out of law school. The ONLY way to get this lifted without us having to give up arm and a leg is to hire the BEST..AND I MEAN BEST attorney in the field of residency and get them to present the case. This should also happen for our contract negotiations. Quit hiring mickey mouse ass attorneys and get lawyers WELL VERSED IN THOSE FIELDS! Sure it'll cost but I'd rather pay for that and get what we ask for than pay in house attorneys to do a 3rd rate job and we get screwed. The City has some of the best negotiators and attorneys in the business to fight us, we need equal people on our side or we ll keep having to live in the City getting 1% raises and giving back other benefits we ve fought for in the past.
4/07/2016 10:14:00 PM
That test has always been garbage. It's a completely biased and unfair test with lower standards across the board for women. That shitty test gets rid of a lot of good, able bodied candidates. When's the last time you chased an offender on foot for a mile and a half? What does the amount of terrible, unsafe, sit-ups you can do in a minute have to do with any function of being the police? What does bench pressing a percentage of your body weight have to do with anything? I can curl more with one arm than some of these women coming in there have to bench press. Then you have some big 6'5" guy that has to bench so much weight that he could press three of those women stacked up and he fails because he could only bench 250 and not 270. It's a stupid test that should have been changed long ago. How about they do it like the military which simply requires you to have a functioning body and be within a certain weight limit when you start the academy. Structure the academy training properly to get everyone in shape together as a unit that celebrates team work. The academy is and always has been run like shit.
4/09/2016 02:38:00 AM
Structure the academy? Look who is in charge of the academy? A DC that does not believe in discipline and has lowered the standards in the gym. He is concerned that the gym staff was too strict with physical activities. Recruits are not in shape when they graduate.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Is there still a commander of traffic? Is that position really necessary? How many other strange, useless positions are there?
4/08/2016 05:25:00 AM
If you are really the police and not a fucking troll, look it up for yourself.
The standards for the PT test are set by the State of Illinois, not by the CPD. A person MUST pass these minimum standards within 45 days of the academy. These are the same people when you pass your final exam give you your police powers. You are employed by the CPD but must meet the standards of the State of Illinois. So go bitch to the state if you want to change it.
Anonymous said...
Let's just put this to bed folks......RESIDENCY CAN be lifted here no matter what anyone from the City or Dept says. Courts in other MAJOR cities have ruled in favor of not requiring residency so there is presidence. The problem we've had here is 1) we've tried to negotiate it in contract talks (the City isn't going for that) 2) The argument made in court on workers behalf was piss poor....prob cause they hired an attorney fresh out of law school. The ONLY way to get this lifted without us having to give up arm and a leg is to hire the BEST..AND I MEAN BEST attorney in the field of residency and get them to present the case. This should also happen for our contract negotiations. Quit hiring mickey mouse ass attorneys and get lawyers WELL VERSED IN THOSE FIELDS! Sure it'll cost but I'd rather pay for that and get what we ask for than pay in house attorneys to do a 3rd rate job and we get screwed. The City has some of the best negotiators and attorneys in the business to fight us, we need equal people on our side or we ll keep having to live in the City getting 1% raises and giving back other benefits we ve fought for in the past.
4/09/2016 09:11:00 AM
Dimwit it's a law. Yes it can be changed but how do you get them to do that? I'm not one of the posters who write if you don't like it quit. But what part of the issue can't you get thru the hair gel?
But in the end, it's ok because don't you see? The Mayor hired from within, therefore making everything O-Tay!
How dare yous complain! LOL
Recruit classes in 1986? Still a bunch of rookies.
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