FOP Speaks
So the misinformation train got up a full head of steam based on a report in the Retired Chicago Police Association newsletter. The FOP responded in an official manner thus:
- There is misinformation that originated in the Retired Chicago Police Association newsletter and also on Facebook regarding Senate Bill 777. Individuals that are completely misinformed and who have had no participation in the development of or the language contained within Senate Bill 777 are suggesting that members contact the Governor’s Office in an attempt to get the Bill vetoed. The threat of the $515 million that is being circulated is completely inaccurate.
Lodge 7, Firefighter Union Local 2, a team of accountants and lobbyists worked tirelessly to ensure that Senate Bill 777 would contribute to benefiting the future solvency of our pension funds. Representatives from the Nationally recognized Center for Tax and Budget Accountability who are proficient in securing retiree benefits and annuities participated in, reviewed, and assisted with drafting the language prior to the bill being submitted to the legislature.
If vetoed any funding that is currently dedicated as part of Senate Bill 777 could be rewritten to allow those funds to be reallocated into a different city pension system and not into the Police and Fire Funds as presently guaranteed.
I have addressed these erroneous claims with the President of Retired Chicago Police Association who will be printing a retraction. In the mean time we strongly suggest everyone refrain from contacting the Governor’s Office in regard to vetoing Senate Bill 777. As always, if you have any questions or need clarification please call the Lodge.
Unofficially, we had this comment from a Board member:
- To the webmaster.
Now that you have everyone's attention this is the time to post a topic. Without a property tax increase what are your ideas to find funding for our pension? We are at the crossroads, this problem has been in the making for the past 50 years and going back to then is not an answer. You can point fingers and assign blame but that is not an answer. Passing a Bill to increase the funding ratio without legislating where the funds will come from is not an answer. Just post comments that have actual ideas and block the nonsense make our officers think this through. I hope we get 1,000 comments but the over and under is set at 38.
Greg Bella
Some of our readers retorted:
- Raising property tax is no different than just asking us to pay more because WE are the ones that own property. It is NOT YOUR PLACE to suggest HOW rahm funds our pensions.... it is your place to simply make sure that he does it. Property tax? really? That would be the last place I would suggest. I'd suggest cutting services to the leeches that don't pay in to anything in the first place. CPS kids get breakfast. and lunch. and a snack. Start there maybe. The savings per kid ought to more than pay for what is owed. Cut back on festivals. Hell, unscrew every other light bulb in the street light. Do anything but raise the tax on the city worker.
- How Rahm comes up with the money is not the FOPs or our problem. He is trying to squeeze blood from a stone. He can make a contribution right now, if he has to. Last thing the city should do is raise taxes, on the people who already pay a large some of the city's taxes.
- There is no reason for 50 alderman, make it one alderman per police district which will slice that budget in half and lead to more continuity. No money on Lucas Museum, no more money on DePaul Stadium, go after Nabisco/Mondalez for all the TIF monies paid for their expansion since they are moving half of the 600 jobs to Mexico. No more free fests, charge admittance fees just as Milwaukee does, that is double bubble as it will keep problem people out. Cut the CPD and CFD brass to proper levels. No money to hotel at Navy Pier and gondola rides over the Chicago River. Just a few ways to save and make money.
We've been suggesting these ideas and more for years now. We've advocated a full scale financial accounting with the City regarding all sorts of crooked contracts, overpriced material, connected "minority" firms adding their portion of the skim to all sorts of financial transactions. How many of those has the FOP brought up to the mayor? the aldercreatures? the media? the membership? Zero?
Under how many FOP administrations now? And we've been doing this for almost eleven years now. In case anyone forgot, the FOP's job is to hold the politicians feet to the fire, to ensure the contractual promises made to the membership are carried out, and not kicked down the road. And if that means suing the city, embarrassing politicians or fronting out the connected people making a crooked living at the expense of promises made to us, then do the fucking job. Don't write to an "insignificant blog" demanding ideas that we've already been giving for a decade now, especially on the eve of your paying the ex-president many tens of thousands of dollars for past misbehavior.
We're sensing another "Dougherty" moment approaching.
Under how many FOP administrations now? And we've been doing this for almost eleven years now. In case anyone forgot, the FOP's job is to hold the politicians feet to the fire, to ensure the contractual promises made to the membership are carried out, and not kicked down the road. And if that means suing the city, embarrassing politicians or fronting out the connected people making a crooked living at the expense of promises made to us, then do the fucking job. Don't write to an "insignificant blog" demanding ideas that we've already been giving for a decade now, especially on the eve of your paying the ex-president many tens of thousands of dollars for past misbehavior.
We're sensing another "Dougherty" moment approaching.
Labels: FOP, money questions
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
110 Comments:
Abolish Exempt ranks. Millions would be saved instantly!
o.t.
To the 011th district goof Sgt. that keeps posting on the blog about Lt. K.S., helping his wife get promoted, please stop. You're moronic ramblings are the delusions of a softball. First of all, Lt K.S. was never an SME. So he couldn't have helped her cheat. Secondly, if you have a problem with him, then say it to his face and be a man. Sorry, but I felt that this needed to be addressed. Cowardly lies are what's destroying this dept.
Is there a Casino Bill?
What is the number?
Has it passed any legislative houses?
End the gold braid pension!!!!!!!!!!!! There should be no pension higher than a captain.
But does FOP have a website that they can use to keep everyone informed?
This is such BS to read and I am not even a member of FOP.
CUT, CONSOLIDATE, and COLLECT some cash out of all these BS programs and little fiefdoms that should be consolidated.
CUT the Aldermen AND their staffs down to 20 - now THAT is real savings and REAL money. Do just that and you have this problem solved.
And reading about these other things that I did NOT know about. How come kids get breakfast, lunch AND a snack when Mommy, Auntie - or Grandma is getting Food Stamps/EBT Money for them?
Oh, I know. So that they don't have to spend that money for food, and they can get tattoos, weaves, and other "necessities" while the schools provide meals. That is BS!!
The problems in Chicago is that there are too many wasteful programs built up over time that need to be unraveled.
It's also YOUR fault (ALL OF YOU) for letting this grow as you continue voting these people in, OR not even showing up at the Polls to vote them out.
Would you get off your asses if I told you your pension was going to be cut 50%?
OH- NOW I have YOUR attention. Get out and VOTE!!
SCC
Are you not paying attention in the Gold Coast? Egads man, there is crime going on.
I'm surprised you don't have anything to say about the Nieman-Marcus robbery on North Michigan of high-end purses tonight. You know that was right where we shop. Those scoundrels stole purses they could never afford and then just drove off.
Get some police out there! We can't depend on the Security Guard who is no better than Gilligan in a uniform.
Now we are re-thinking about shopping on North Michigan. Lovey thinks they will be stealing her purse next and I can't go on another Safari to bag a crocodile and leopard to make another one.
I need to go pick up my Rolls at the shop. You know oil changes cost a lot when you add 9 quarts of oil.
Hey - How many years has G. Bella been on the payroll of the FOP in one capacity or another?
You would think that in all those years and all those FOP administrations he has been involved with he himself would have some of the answers he seeks himself.
Just shows how much the FOP is doing for you, the rank and file.
A big fat ZERO!!!!
SCC
Are you not paying attention in the Gold Coast? Egads man, there is crime going on.
I'm surprised you don't have anything to say about the Nieman-Marcus robbery on North Michigan of high-end purses tonight. You know that was right where we shop. Those scoundrels stole purses they could never afford and then just drove off.
Get some police out there! We can't depend on the Security Guard who is no better than Gilligan in a uniform.
Now we are re-thinking about shopping on North Michigan. Lovey thinks they will be stealing her purse next and I can't go on another Safari to bag a crocodile and leopard to make another one.
I need to go pick up my Rolls at the shop. You know oil changes cost a lot when you add 9 quarts of oil.
5/06/2016 03:16:00 AM
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Come on! We all know that those Chanel purses were Mother's Day gifts for the thieves Momma's.
I think we have idiots on this board. Our pension is close to 1 billion underfunded. Thats bilion. Cuttting a couple aldermen and taking food away from kids is bread crumbs. The citys main income generator is property taxes. A casino would be great bit that will not be happening. They couldn't accomplish a casino with a Democrat in the governors office, it isn't going to happen in this climate. We contribute 9% of our paycheck to potentially get paid 75% of our last salary for the rest of our lives. Thats something most of the public doesn't receive. We should be grateful and protective of this.
What about TIF funds? That money doesn't come from heaven. Maybe we should suspend TIF funds and put those money's into the pensions. Those private businesses do not need tax money to thrive. TIF funds are Rahm's personal payback bank to his political donors.
Taxpayers need to get organized. They need to protest. They need to march. They need to vote in every election. The current situation is due to apathy. Normal is not normal anymore. The village idiots have taken over and are dictating policy. Nobody that is in a position of decision making gives a rat's ass what you think because you don't hold them accountable.
Maybe the people who keep the wheels on the bus should do what my retired parents do, pay all their income tax once a year in April. The rest of the year they have that money making interest. It takes finanical discipline but my old man is a stubborn bastard that hangs onto his money as long as he can.
Can you imagine if people paid taxes only once a year? Government would come to a stand still. Politicians would have to start thinking like we do, which is, I can only spend what I have in my pocket. Overnight, the vanity museums and social net for able bodied people would evaporate.
Someone should look into THAT.
For extra funding, how about renting advertising space on squad cars? Or on the back of vest covers?
Why doesn't the FOP start fighting the wrongful conviction industry and the city's settling of ludicrous lawsuits?
License all Bycycle's and there driver's, fuck, u gave them lanes on major
hywy's, all these tour defrance cock sucker's, fuck them!
This is such BS to read and I am not even a member of FOP.
CUT, CONSOLIDATE, and COLLECT some cash out of all these BS programs and little fiefdoms that should be consolidated.
CUT the Aldermen AND their staffs down to 20 - now THAT is real savings and REAL money. Do just that and you have this problem solved.
And reading about these other things that I did NOT know about. How come kids get breakfast, lunch AND a snack when Mommy, Auntie - or Grandma is getting Food Stamps/EBT Money for them?
Oh, I know. So that they don't have to spend that money for food, and they can get tattoos, weaves, and other "necessities" while the schools provide meals. That is BS!!
The problems in Chicago is that there are too many wasteful programs built up over time that need to be unraveled.
It's also YOUR fault (ALL OF YOU) for letting this grow as you continue voting these people in, OR not even showing up at the Polls to vote them out.
Would you get off your asses if I told you your pension was going to be cut 50%?
OH- NOW I have YOUR attention. Get out and VOTE!!
5/06/2016 02:48:00 AM
You got THAT right, sir. They got money for nails, and Hennessey and weed because the government provides the basic necessities that should come first. They don't have to worry about food and shelter. That's taken care of. Let's party......
My financial guy told me it's not a matter of if, but when, CPD and CFD pensions go under. And CFD will be the first to go. People need to wake up from their coma's. It's not enough to bitch on a blog anymore. It's time for action.
Pensions funding based upon a roll of the dice, truly a sign of desperation and the fall of a once great city at the hands of democrats, how sad.
Yeah, that's it, change the whole business system of the city. It is a great idea, but it ain't gonna happen. Besides the basic pension legislation requires that the city levy a tax to meet its part of the obligation. The only realistic alternative is to raise taxes AND to increase member contributions
"CPS kids get breakfast. and lunch. and a snack. Start there maybe." What a prince to suggest that and that's a federal program anyway. Why are so many Illinois pensions in the shit and IMRF is not? Maybe because so many retired mayors are in IMRF and trustees didn't give away the store to politicians. Those mayors? It takes a crook to know a crook and pols knew many of the other pensions were underfunded. Property taxes have to go up, start with Trump Tower, and that will only stave off the inevitable since the debt is impossible.
YEAH RIGHT!!! The FOP is weak. They haven't been holding anyone's "feet to the fire" at a time when its needed the most! In fact, they've been silent! Dean is a pussy who has yet to grow a spine and stand up for us when we needed a voice. He's Hillary Clinton to me..next election ABD...anyone but Dean!
No extra pension cash for merits. If the City thinks these great thinker are worth advancement let the City compensate them for the rest of their lives. If they don't want the merit pick they will refuse and be promoted by test taking (a whole another problem)
Tax on cable a satellite boxes. Satellite doe not pay taxes currently but alderman are too dumb to figure to tax the boxes 50-75 cent a month.
FOIA tax since law-firms want everything free 7 cents on each page of document.
increase cost of obtaining police report and accident reports 1 dollar.
Fee on bonds increased kinda like court cost etc.
tax on cell phones and I mean the actual FREE phone at purchase even if free.
5 cent 911 fee charged per call you know who this affects.
register bike fee mandatory to file serial numbers with police department will cut down on pawnshop buying stolen bike 1$ a bike.(they do it for dogs?)
begin fining problem building more aggressively train so called CAPS officer on building violations. Most are scared to be on the street anyways.
"Express" orders of protections charge 20$ to working people who actual have domestic problems NO wait in line can
begin filing online to save time and submit document and photos. Would still need to show up to 555 Harrison.
But Alderman come up with floating barges with bars,Ravinia in Douglas park or taxing water ASSHATs
Raise property taxes...sorry. Property taxes are the lowest in Chicago than most major cities and much much lower than where I live in Gurnee. (Retired suckers!)...they are never going to cut entitlement programs because that's too republican and the somehow empowered community leaders would go ape shit. They are never going to charge for festivals or for admission to them because that finna be racist. They are never going to scrap big ticket items such as DePaul or the river walk etc because that would take money away from the connected. They will never root out the corruption because it is waaayyyyyy too deep. The only way to shore this up is to raise property taxes...sorry. Keep complaining and they will raise taxes only in non-TIF wards-which includes Mary Oconnor.
"The threat of the $515 million that is being circulated is completely inaccurate."
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I keep re-reading this sentence wondering what the hell it means and who wrote it. Did Dean write this? It doesn't even really make sense does it? It seems awkward and improper. Is this the moronic representation we have now? Why would 515M by itself be a threat? Failure to pay the 515M would be a threat, but that's not what the sentence says. Did Dean get his degree from Sally Struthers Univ. or what?
Has anyone ever bought plants for their house? Yes its expensive. just think of all the planters we have in the city? what must be the cost of plants and the cost to maintain them? I'm sure its a significant amount of money.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
End the gold braid pension!!!!!!!!!!!! There should be no pension higher than a captain.
5/06/2016 12:27:00 AM
Sorry Captain, but there should be no pension higher than Lieutenant. Captain is appointed.
Amen brother.... preach it.
Cut spending, not pensions.
Tax the skyway abd the meters 50% . Why do we give free money?
TO: FOP 7
FROM: Rank and File members
SUBJECT: Release of information.
To who it may concern at FOP7 the regular working rank and file members are asking for the FOP7 web site to address the matter of releasing topic information on the FOP 7 web site.
If the FOP7 web site was properly used members would be able to open the web site and find all the important updates regarding FOP7 matters. At present the FOP7 web site takes weeks to introduce any information regarding any breaking matter concerning the union members.
As you can see we are forced to address this matter on SCC blog due to the fact no one in Lodge 7 responds to telephone call or emails.
Signed UNINFORMED with 28 years on the job
Gilligan in a uniform would look pretty cool.
pension should be based on an officers rank that was earned by score , that said no pension after rank of lt .
cut alderman to one for every two police districts , less work for FBI and IG
Body cams for alderman
End the gold braid pension!!!!!!!!!!!! There should be no pension higher than a captain.
5/06/2016 12:27:00 AM
No way.....it must be the highest TESTABLE position....capt is and always has been a political appointment.
Highest level should be Lt.
I’m hearing the Shields lawsuit is coming up soon. WE will have to pay for it because the million-dollar insurance policy is gone because of four lawsuits that were filed under Mark Donahue’s tenure. And at least one of them the plaintiff did not ask for a gag order it was Dougherty’s lawyer who is known as “he who cannot be named.”
When the Shields lawsuit is over Dougherty, Aguliar, DiMaria, Davis, Graham, and former state president Street should all be sued for the cost of the settlement.
Does Donahue - the puppet master- walkaway from this unscathed?
If you liked the movie Gladiator I say throw them all in a ring and say this is how much is owed. Let them fight it out as to how much each one has to pay. These people are all known as back stabbers. Let's see who is the biggest back stabber and survives the coliseum.
Just saying.
CHA has a budget of close to a billion dollars a year. A BILLION. A lot of that is waste through super vouchers so they can live at places for 3 grand a month in rent, or other scams.
Not to mention there is now an embedded class of GENERATIONAL welfare recipients. Dug in like bloated leeches. Coppers have to work their days off to make ends meet patrolling neighborhoods of people who don't work but live rent free just because they're a voting block. Shame on the politicians who made that deal with the devil in the first place, buying votes with welfare out of the public treasury.
Cut the Aldermen. That's a no brainer.
Cut the Command staff at CPD. No more gold braid pensions, if you're a Deputy good for you but when you retire you get a Lieutenant's pension. We have 22 districts currently, yet CPD has 47 individuals with the rank of Commander or its civilian equivalent. Can someone explain how that is even necessary?
A casino will not be a secure source of funding. Fuzzy accounting cam make profits disappear, then when it's time to pay into the pension Rahm can just shrug his shoulders and say "oh well, we didn't make money this year so you don't get a payment."
Raising taxes is not the answer. First, you CUT SPENDING. Ruthlessly cut the bloat. You will offend a lot of entrenched interests, but that's too bad.
If the politicians try and make this work on the backs of the working man, by raising taxes or pension contributions or cutting benefits, before first cutting out of control spending and freebies, then we are nothing but a bunch of sissies if we stand for it.
Welfare and entitlements for non-workers has to end.
Funding huh, you mean like the Illinois lottery which was supposed to fund our school system.
(OT) if it fits the illegals agenda they can wear shirts like this, while Americans cannot show free speech:
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/05/05/students-at-o-c-school-get-ok-to-wear-dump-trump-shirts/
The Democrats plan is to TAX. We already pay the highest sales tax in the country. Our property taxes are increasing. Now they want to raise the income tax. The triple whammy.Everyone is right, they keep spending money with the expectation that they can just raise taxes to cover everything. In the mean time, the streets where I live are crumbling, haven't seen a cold or hot patch truck. But, we want to spend millions on basketball stadiums no one will go to. Museums that would be great, but we can't afford. Fifty Aldermen when 25 or 30 would be fine. River walks that are cool but we can't afford right now. There are many times in my life when i have wanted something. A new car, a jet ski, a vacation trip, a new roof; but I can't afford it. I budget my money and save for the day when I can afford what I want and I prioritize. Fixing the roof comes first. When i can afford it, I get the jet ski. All these Rahm and Daley want monuments to their greatness, but their legacy is a Chicago worse of then when they started.
I like the line about FLOP working "tirelessly" for SB 777, as if it were a good thing. The heavy lifting had already been done (hate to say it, but by Citywide) when, years ago, FLOP achieved passage of a law that forced the City to bring the pension funds up to proper funding levels in our lifetimes. Now FLOP claims it worked tirelessly to essentially gut that law. For Rahm. WTF!
Bella, remember that you got destroyed by Mike Shields in an election. And for good reason. Sellout loser.
I just wish the media would blame the only people that caused all the financial mess POLITICIANS! Period! Mainly Daley. Also ask the mayor and Aldermen how is their pension fund?
https://www.civicfed.org/civic-federation/blog/chicago-police-and-fire-employer-pension-funding-changes-passed-illinois-gener?page=1
This is from last year but it seems that (public act 96-1495) which is the current law is the better of the two.
Didn't Rahn have 2 billion in TIF funds? That's almost four times what we need.
OT: I guess Angelo does speak. From their website:
Updated on May 2, 2016
FOP President Dean Angelo Responds to Task Force Recommendations on Chicago Tonight
In Report, Task Force Contends Police Union A Major Obstacle To Change on CBS
Chicago Union: Task Force Had 'Built-in Bias' on Chicago Tribune
Police union: Low morale will crater following ‘biased’ report on the Suntimes
FOP wants CTU to condemn rally comments to ‘F— the police’ on the Suntimes
FOP President won’t say how long union will employ VanDyke on WLSam
Police Union Defends Hiring Officer Charged In Laquan McDonald’s Death on CBS
Can a cop get a fair trial in McDonald case? on Chicago Tribune
FOP President: Investigatory Stop Reports are 'cumbersome' on Fox News
Fraternal Order of Police president welcomes Emanuel’s reforms on WGN
Decline In Chicago Police Stops Signal Bigger Problem Than More Paperwork on DNA info
Chicago Police slowed by new reporting system, not publicity, superintendent says on Chicago Sun Times
Chicago Police Street Stops Decrease Dramatically Amid Sinking Morale on DNA Info
Dean Angelo On The State Of The Chicago Police on WLSAM
Chicago Police Shootings Prompt Calls for more Tasers on CBS
FOP President Dean Angelo Says Firing Gun The “Last Thing” Officers Want To Do on CBS
Chicago union head: Officers don't want to be next headline on Yahoo
FOP President Dean Angelo on Chicago Police Culture, Investigation on Chicago Tonight
Every Day, Hundreds of Officers Report Dashcam Problems on DNA info
Department of Justice Meets with Chicago Police Union on Chicago Tonight
Aldermen Grill Police, Union Officials In Hearing on CBS
I may have provoked the post when I called and bitched. They told me to Google Dean's name under news and limit it from just the 1st of the year. They hall told me that only about 25% of his interview make it to print. Unless he says something off the wall most of the time it does not see the light of day.
Cap pensions at career service ranks.
5/06/2016 03:16:00 AM
Guys like you crack me up. Chicago is still booming. Just look at all of the building of new luxury condos and luxury rentals going up. Wake up man. You probably listen to that goof Alex Jones and always see the negative. My wife just sold two condos and rented out four luxury apartments in April.
SCC - Ever notice how FOP board members like to throw sand in your face when you criticize their actions? Their arrogance is similar to an AlderCreature. And they love to chant the mantra - Attend meetings! Well, last time i checked, Board Members work for us. Most of us have kids to raise, a side job, etc. and we rely on their diligence to keep us informed.
As 12:40 succinctly stated, doesn't FOP have a website? Wasn't the website going to be improved when Dean Angelo, PhD took the helm?
Try calling the one employee who can log you onto the member's portion of the web. I've left three requests and didn't even get a phone call and finally gave up.
Where has our Legislative Director Mark Donahue been all this time? He didn't even keep us informed about the ISR bill being passed and how it was not as strong as the bill that the ACLU pushed pushed down the city's throat. We have literally been kept in the dark by our own Union, and then criticized when we question their actions..
Thank you, SCC, for holding their feet to the fire and keeping us informed.
Retired .38 spl. +P
Anonymous Anonymous said...
o.t.
To the 011th district goof Sgt. that keeps posting on the blog about Lt. K.S., helping his wife get promoted, please stop. You're moronic ramblings are the delusions of a softball. First of all, Lt K.S. was never an SME. So he couldn't have helped her cheat. Secondly, if you have a problem with him, then say it to his face and be a man. Sorry, but I felt that this needed to be addressed. Cowardly lies are what's destroying this dept.
5/06/2016 12:23:00 AM
Oh yes you are right. The testing is all legit. When the city decides to contract the entire test to a third party then I can reasonably assume the test is legit. As long as we have insiders in the know who know what is on the test and they percolate it then it is not legit.
OT Scc, you should put up a link or instructions on how to register to vote once a month! All elections coming up etc.
"I don't give a shit either way. I don't even vote." Norris- TheWire
Officer's you are not alone...As a retired City employee of 30 years I have seen my monthly pension check cut in half to pay for health insurance..this "pension crisis" should not be borne on the backs of city employees at all. The idiots in Springfield and city unions made backroom deals and sold the membership a bill of goods,I for one never had a vote on the deals.
I do have ideas for funding our pensions, let's start with those slush funds aka "community block grants"..how many millions are being paid to reverends that should be going to pensions?
We need parity in the COLA. The officers working and voting today will not get the 3% annual cost of living adjustments.
The most common sense approach to shore up money is cut spending. Prioritize then start cutting on wasteful programs and crooked contracts. Good examples to cut would be school meals, exempt member pensions and any other additional freebies and redundant positions. Another prime example of a redundant position would be alderman.
Anyone heard about the glass gondolas costing $250 million? "Plans for the Chicago SkyLine were revealed this week, showing a system of glass pods that could carry 3,000 tourists every hour both ways over the Chicago River. If given the go-ahead, the Chicago SkyLine would connect Navy Pier, the Chicago Lakefront and the Riverwalk with downtown Chicago, offering spectacular views for those who use it. Guests would be given a completely new perspective of the city, witnessing landmarks like the 1,127ft-tall John Hancock Center and the corn-cob-shaped Marina City towers from 17 storeys above street level." Amazing how the city just blows through money on shit nobody needs. Those will be really popular in the winter when it's 0 degrees for 3 months.
Moderator; if you have all of these ideas for saving wasteful tax dollars why don't you go to your Aldercreature present them and ask for and post an anonymous response. Jaw jacking on this blog is just that. You don't need to name the Aldercreature or list the ward number, just get a response, or run for office yourself. You are articulate and present facts in reasonable manner.
This is dumb.
If I owe Billy $400 for landscaping work that he did.......
But then I only have $250- would I really ask Billy if I could borrow $150, and then give him his $400?
Absolutely not.
The old IOU and "kick the can" approach is what we're getting. And while not quite the answer we need, it's better than taking our own money to pay us with......
"Secondly, if you have a problem with him, then say it to his face and be a man. Sorry, but I felt that this needed to be addressed. Cowardly lies are what's destroying this dept."
Always love this talk, these are the same tuff guys that when confronted themselves turn tail and run like punk bitches. Tell me what watch you're on, we'll put this well tested theory in action.
Vote em out? When you pull a republican ballot in the primary and complete it in 3 minutes because there are no republicans running in 80% of the races. There is no republican party in Shitcago, or Crook County. How are you going to vote em out when there is no opposition running? And the ones who are running are dems anyway. Go figure. Long past time to leave if you can.
To the 011th district goof Sgt. that keeps posting on the blog about Lt. K.S., helping his wife get promoted, please stop. You're moronic ramblings are the delusions of a softball. First of all, Lt K.S. was never an SME. So he couldn't have helped her cheat. Secondly, if you have a problem with him, then say it to his face and be a man. Sorry, but I felt that this needed to be addressed. Cowardly lies are what's destroying this dept.
It's too late to try and save your little Sat Sgt turned Lt. and her hubby that had inside info for that extra little push towards her Lt bar. Time for you to "man up" and quit hanging on the balls of two mediocre at best supervisors (no son, neither is a boss) who would leave you twisting in the wind when the shit hit the fan. The ship is sinking, little boy (or girl) so be the little rat kiss ass you are and bail before you're the next one subpeonaed in this scandal. Will you be one of the little darlings caught up in using her PC# to approve your own case reports (multiple rule violations here junior) while she was an absentee sergeant and we had to babysit you kiddies cuz hubby Lt KS was too busy doing RE closings and other lawyer stuff on company time? Keep swinging from those nuts kid, and you'll see just what it's like to testify under oath as a character witness or worse. And what's "destroying this dept." is the deeply entrenched clout and nepotism that seems to never end and morons like yourself who defend the players because they hold your slips and stroke your pathetic little egos for every dope pinch or... Ahemmm - - weapon "turn in", wink, wink. They won't know you exist when the shit hits the fan, kid. And I can't wait to read all about it.
- 011 Sergeant
Wouldn't you think, if FOP wanted support for this bill, that they'd have gotten out in front of this? Shouldn't they have been shouting from the rooftops, asking people to support it and explaining WHY they should be 100% behind it?
Now, what they're saying is, we worked hard for this and you're messing it up. But they aren't explaining WHY it's beneficial to us. IS it beneficial to us?
What about the casino? was it part of the deal or not. FOP AVOIDS THAT ISSUE And I agree no pensions above LT.
O/T: good luck to everyone taking the exam tomorrow.
FEEL THE BERNSTEIN!
I have to agree with 1214 a.m. Lt. K.S is no SME on anything.
To 1233
U post anonymous, but call the sgt a coward?
Shut the fuck up yourself
The one thing I will say is that no matter what agreement the FOP and the city people and the state people come up with, I would not SIGN, ENDORSE, or even talk about anything UNLESS attached to whatever agreement is reached, the wording that the city nor the state cannot ever take that money....no more borrowing from the pension funds....ever.....PERIOD!! Pension money is for the pension....PERIOD. No more land deals, borrowing for this and that......NO MORE! And if for some crazy fairy tail ending happens and one day the pension fund is actually over funded (hahahaahaha yeah right I know) Then you all get together to decide what to do with the overage and only the overage. The pension fund should never be less than 105% funded...ever
Hey FOP Greg and Angelo "we're italians' how about this? #copsareliars nonsense!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-police-testimony-met-20160506-story.html
If after reading this if your not fetal, you really need to resign not soon but today!
They are now reviewing many cases to charge officers with perjury! Thing you may be looking at an orange jumpsuit and a cell! Is this another deflection from the lieutenants massive chating fraud scandal eddie? Eddie you took over now a "deeper dig" into anything coppers have done! How about this video eddie you going this far back:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKmpHvOzlxE
oh sorry thats the gold star crew running out of 35th street,after Trump takes office and sends his feds in to "look around" at all the low picking fruit!
O.T. As everyone may know, we now have judges jumping on the bandwagon and slamming officers. If people have not yet read the writing on the wall, read it now that it is crystal clear. Doing good police work and getting dope, guns and housing criminals isn't acceptable any longer apparently. We all know that assholes constantly tuck guns under seats and pitch dope when we approach, but certain judges cannot fathom the idea that these actions could be and are a reality. This city will continue on a downward spiral unless liberals and self serving politicians wake up before it's too late.
Chicago pays the well greased hands of a crooked supply company $17 for a gallon of bleach. 3 gallons for $3 at a dollar store.
I wonder what bundle of copy paper costs the city?
Who cleaned the floor after the spoke???
Check out the latest slam piece in the fibune: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-police-testimony-met-20160506-story.html
Claps tossed an agg uuw because he didn't believe a guy would put his pistol in the glove box when he saw the police.
You had 9 years in Citywide, Greg Bella. How many pension enhancements/protections did FOP get during those 9 years? ANSWER: A bunch.
Now you want to give some back with SB777? Go away, Greg. Don't let the door hit you in your fat ass on the way out. Rahm says you can pick up your balls in his office on the 5th floor.
Seriously with the light bulbs. I was just thinking about that the other day driving. Do we need that many poles? You can take down every other one and the lighted road would be fine. It's overkill. Probably add up to thousands of light poles. Less bulbs to replace, less maintenance, less electricity, less cars striking them and people dying, and less of an eyesore too.
Cut the alderman to 20 is fucking A right. I used to think in half to 25 but if we have to accept cuts in manpower , so do those assholes.
The problem is the F.O.P. can't speak because they spend to much time swallowing then spit it out at their members. Here's an idea Greg Bella have the Union play hardball and encourage us to use our contractual benefits of sick time at advantageous times. They are laughing all you Sansabelt Simpletons. GROW A SET!
what happened to the property tax increase from last year?
where did the money go?
How fucking stupid and useless is this Bella retard. I hate our "union". I really do. Doesn't matter who's camp is running the place. Bella, SHUT THE FUCK UP
Union leadership needs more retired D2As. FLOP 7 Hall can hold plenty more smartest peeps.
I got one. Retirees open a dope spot. This is only open to PO's, so the count do get fucked up.
We could build a mobile replica of the FOP Hall and rent it out so protestors don't have to leave their neighborhood to picket against police. We would have to do the same for credit union just to see if they know the difference.
Here's one, have the Cook County Commissioner pose for a fundraising calendar. Toni can be Miss July showin' fools how they ken drunk and smoke on da cornerz longs as dey pay a fine.
5/06/2016 05:50:00 AM
Hey idiot you, you have to start somewhere. These are just some ideas of his. You start losing aldercreatures, other aldercreatures will worry about their job. Tiny dancer know longer has a blanket pass. And what was a solution you offered up dumbass, oh. . . wait . . we should be grateful and protective . . WTF grateful we'll be losing our pension. You're a tool of Rhams I see.
I've dealt with Bella before. I like him because he's old school. He can be rough around the edges, but I don't think he was trying to be a smartass by asking. At least he's acknowledging the voices on this blog. There are a lot of retarded comments on here sometimes.
However, if the SCC writers seem to be short of patience, that's because these suggestions have already been brought up ad nauseum. While I like some of the ideas, especially the aldercreature reduction, odds are slim and none of that happening. Maybe if the union was more vocal about the other bullshit going on, such as the various witch hunts, members wouldn't look at them as being so useless.
Here's the problem with the union. They are supposed to be a seperate entity from the city. Unlike the Supernintendo, and other brass, that some of you goofy posters keep hoping will be your savior, they are elected by us. The union president, should have no problem bringing up the posibilty in a press conference, to reduce the aldercreatures, in an intelligent and civilized manner. At the least it will make a splash and get these politicos a little nervous and irritated.
I'll give Bella credit, during the Weiss era, when this departments downward spiral really began, he came to roll calls and told people to stop being proactive. Nobody really listened back then, and look what happened. Cops stripped and in callback for doing police work. Especially those involved in catching the armed robbery offenders, 5 years ago, that recently surfaced in the news and two of them are stripped.
If you clowns keep bringing in activity, then of course the political scum are gonna fuck with your pensions. If I see a crime that takes place or nearby, I'll still do something, but anything else? Fuck that noise.
"oh sorry thats the gold star crew running out of 35th street,after Trump takes office and sends his feds in to "look around" at all the low picking fruit!
5/06/2016 01:58:00 PM"
Yeah that's part of his 1st 100 days plan. Get Real...
Interesting....FOP can speak to SCC but NOT when we keep getting our asses handed to us in the Media and Political arena...
Lt KS in 025, was okay as a sgt. Some people didn't like him but for the most part he was a nice guy. Then he came back as a Lt and is an arrogant stroke. He'd wiz around after roll call like Batman, always on the radio, showing up to peoples jobs and ordering them to make arrests that were unnecessary. He tried to make himself look like a hard charger the first couple of hours, because he would then wander off to do lawyer stuff on company time. I think he got a chip on his shoulder when his bff, lt J.G. didnt win the alderman election. Now, he is mostly regulated to being in the station and is moody. I doubt he or the Mrs. will be indicted in the Lt. Scandal.
You ain't getting a pension. Get over it. It is a joke to them and you just don't get it. The Baby Boomer coppers and bosses will bleed it dry. The City cares more about pet projects ran by clouted firms. You will be eating cat food in your old age. And Obamacare eventually will put you down like a rapid dog. You are the walking dead.
The FOP didn't stand up to Daley. The FOP isn't standing up to Ram. And the FOP sure isn't going to stand up your future mayor Preckwinkle. The City plays hard ball and for keeps. You will lose and you will have no choice. Anyway, the Pension problem is just a distraction.
What they really want is to end your collective bargaining agreement. Read between the lines. In five years you won't even be able to bid to a watch. It will all be activity and clout driven. This will be the Big Bargain. "Sure we will fund the pension, but you will have to give something up." The retirees and Baby Boomers begging for mercy will sell you out in a heart beat. The "deal" will be giving up seniority rights.
This is all an old parlor trick. Either you are in on the gag, or you are not.
o.t.
To the 011th district goof Sgt. that keeps posting on the blog about Lt. K.S., helping his wife get promoted, please stop. You're moronic ramblings are the delusions of a softball. First of all, Lt K.S. was never an SME. So he couldn't have helped her cheat. Secondly, if you have a problem with him, then say it to his face and be a man. Sorry, but I felt that this needed to be addressed. Cowardly lies are what's destroying this dept.
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KS isn't half the copper that his sister was before she had to go disability.
Anonymous said...
End the gold braid pension!!!!!!!!!!!! There should be no pension higher than a captain.
5/06/2016 12:27:00 AM
I'd have no problem with that if the maximum 9% pension reduction for captains and above stayed at the lieutenant pay grade level. But pension contributions are 9% of salary regardless of rank. So if you don't want gold braid pensions, start allowing captains and above to contribute what a lieutenant contributes to the pension fund and not 9% of their pay.
>>>Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT Scc, you should put up a link or instructions on how to register to vote once a month! All elections coming up etc.
"I don't give a shit either way. I don't even vote." Norris- TheWire
5/06/2016 09:49:00 AM<<<
When I went to SOS to update my driver's license I was asked if I wanted ted register to vote. I already was. Other people were asked and no one was asked it they were a citizen.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Didn't Rahn have 2 billion in TIF funds? That's almost four times what we need.
5/06/2016 09:17:00 AM
Yes but WE'RE BROKE!
He thinks that money is HIS, we can't have it.
Guys like you crack me up. Chicago is still booming. Just look at all of the building of new luxury condos and luxury rentals going up. Wake up man. You probably listen to that goof Alex Jones and always see the negative. My wife just sold two condos and rented out four luxury apartments in April.
5/06/2016 09:38:00 AM
Keep telling that too people... Contrary to popular belief, the rest of the world doesnt give two-shits about what is going on in the ghetto. Chicago is exploding in the downtown area. If people only took 2 seconds to look up, they'd see it.
This is THE Doer, good luck to everyone on the test!
Signed,
THE Doer
Raid the TIF funds......
What do you guys expect?? Isn't that tattoo win good enough?? Geeeez
Cut off Link. Or atlest ask for an ID when the Arabs are buys 40 cases of pop each month to sell in their own stores. Track LINK purchases.
Why don't the media state the real reason for very low moral? The reason is the fixed promotions Plain and simple. If someone knows he or she does not have an equal chance at a better salary and position why would anyone want to do anything? It's human nature!
"NEVER LET A CRISIS GO TO WASTE" (and when there isn't one create it). This crisis is due largely in part because the city waited to make payments until the bill became so large they could not. (allegedly) When I have a large bill that is going to balloon with intrest, I pay as much as I can as fast as I can so I don't have to pay as much in interest. Not the city, They wait till the interest hits maximum and borrow the money from a bank and pay even more intrest to a bank as the credit rating tumbles. The city has known for years that this was coming and could have paid more instead of wasting money on plywood burning in the river and Chicago thug fest, maggot daley park, city sticker graffiti contests, olyimpdick dreams, red light gotcha schemes, Barbara Jail Bird, and the financial flight risk under indictment A mirror image of Rham Ahmad. The circus tent is folding up and leaving town with all your cash soon.
How come they never talk about cutting the aldermens' pensions?
Anonymous said...
End the gold braid pension!!!!!!!!!!!! There should be no pension higher than a captain.
5/06/2016 12:27:00 AM
I'd have no problem with that if the maximum 9% pension reduction for captains and above stayed at the lieutenant pay grade level. But pension contributions are 9% of salary regardless of rank. So if you don't want gold braid pensions, start allowing captains and above to contribute what a lieutenant contributes to the pension fund and not 9% of their pay.
5/06/2016 08:35:00 PM
Sounds like a perfect solution.
There's no way a guy should get a pension for twenty-five or thirty years at gold star level payout, when he only contributed to the fund for four years at that rate.
That golden parachute is unsustainable.
And a side benefit of restricting pensions to no higher than lieutenant is the bosses wouldn't be held hostage, living in fear of losing that higher pension. They might start standing up, standing firm, - gasp - acting like a boss, because even if they get busted down for standing their ground, they won't be punished with a lesser pension.
That gold star level pension is a bribe, a way the politician who made you can control you.
Here are some revenue ideas. I am sick and tired of seeing the same cars parked in the same spot on the street nightly that are registered outside of the city. City stickers should be required for all vehicles that are parked on the street overnight regardless of where they are registered. This would end the practice of registering autos at mommy and daddy's house or "the summer home" to avoid city sticker fees. Also how about a city income tax on all people that live outside of the city but earn a living in the city. To avoid the tax all you have to do is move back in the city. Cut the alderman to 12. Los Angeles, a city larger than Chicago, has 12 city councilman.
9:18...... Correct, nobody gives a fuck about the ghetto. Until the the bills come due. Enormous ghettos, like Chicago's, are very expensive.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Didn't Rahn have 2 billion in TIF funds? That's almost four times what we need.
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The problem with returning TIF is it get reallocated back to the taxing %. If they exhausted the TIF 60% of the funds would go to CPS being that 60% of your tax bill is CPS. The other 40% gets split up the same way it shows on your tax bill. City get some, county gets some and so on.
It's not a problem solver in itself.
"I don't give a shit either way. I don't even vote." Norris- TheWire Then shut up If you don't vote don't bitch you are part of the problem
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You ain't getting a pension. Get over it. It is a joke to them and you just don't get it. The Baby Boomer coppers and bosses will bleed it dry. The City cares more about pet projects ran by clouted firms. You will be eating cat food in your old age. And Obamacare eventually will put you down like a rapid dog. You are the walking dead.
The FOP didn't stand up to Daley. The FOP isn't standing up to Ram. And the FOP sure isn't going to stand up your future mayor Preckwinkle. The City plays hard ball and for keeps. You will lose and you will have no choice. Anyway, the Pension problem is just a distraction.
What they really want is to end your collective bargaining agreement. Read between the lines. In five years you won't even be able to bid to a watch. It will all be activity and clout driven. This will be the Big Bargain. "Sure we will fund the pension, but you will have to give something up." The retirees and Baby Boomers begging for mercy will sell you out in a heart beat. The "deal" will be giving up seniority rights.
This is all an old parlor trick. Either you are in on the gag, or you are not.
5/06/2016 07:47:00 PM
That you again rahm?
Anonymous said...
For extra funding, how about renting advertising space on squad cars? Or on the back of vest covers?
5/06/2016 06:35:00 AM
Posts like yours are the reason I read this blog every day.
not a copper
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Check out the latest slam piece in the fibune: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-police-testimony-met-20160506-story.html
Claps tossed an agg uuw because he didn't believe a guy would put his pistol in the glove box when he saw the police.
5/06/2016 02:16:00 PM
I was confused by this article. They didnt believe he would put his pistol in the glovebox, but he kept his holster in his backpack...a pack he used EVERY DAY. I completely believe he hid the gun. Im not sure why the judge had any issue with the police officer's story. Why would he have a holster NOT on his gun that was put away? He took the gun with him, likely, everywhere. Kept it in his backpack. Had it removed from his pack, likely due to danger from doing a, hello, drug deal, which is why he was where he was, and hid the gun when the police pulled up, but didnt hide his holster, in his backpack.
This city is exhausting...I have no clue how you cops put up with this crap. Just wear your monkey suits, get coffee, drive around, watch movies and go home safe. They are doing their best to make you obsolete. When the taxes go through the roof, we will all just move. They dont want you to have a gun, they dont want you to pursue anyone, they accuse you of all the problems. Embryonic is the new black. Screw Fetal.
Dean needs to stop being such a pussy! Instead of appearing on the news to respond, our union needs representation that will demand what we need, what is contractually owed to us and to defend our officers. Stop handling the media and politicians with kids gloves. That is not unreasonable, it is what should be excepted and should be done without us begging the union. Why do we need the fop if they do nothing but screw us over. Oh wait, I forgot, they rallied for visable tattoos.
Had Rahm collected the $25,000,000 in over due water bills from the south corrupt suburbs ? If a city worker is past due in payments , the late fees are added on , suspensions , payroll deduction
Where is Andy shaw , is he in the ballerinas pocket .
This city is exhausting...I have no clue how you cops put up with this crap. Just wear your monkey suits, get coffee, drive around, watch movies and go home safe. They are doing their best to make you obsolete. When the taxes go through the roof, we will all just move. They dont want you to have a gun, they dont want you to pursue anyone, they accuse you of all the problems. Embryonic is the new black. Screw Fetal.
5/07/2016 08:54:00 AM
Thanks and will do sir or madam!
So the first time I call a politicians' office I shouldn't have?
Anonymous said...
For extra funding, how about renting advertising space on squad cars? Or on the back of vest covers?
5/06/2016 06:35:00 AM
Excellent ideas. How's this for one-sell commercial time during the body cam videos.
Look at how much they get for a 15 second Super Bowl ad!
I'm a 6 year retiree. Who the hell is the retired police association, anyway. How many people does it represent? Harold Brown? Isnt he the crabby prick that folds tee shirts at the FOP store? That goof is speaking for us? Who the fuck put him in charge of anything?
Warned Dean about Harold several times
After watching Dean interview with David Ptoft, I believe Harold Brown should be expelled from FOP along with his
first vice president for anti union activities.
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