Someone to Verify?
FOP? Weren't you staking your futures on this?
- Seriously Need your help. Senate Bill ( SB-777), was passed last May 2015, and it extends Chicago’s payment (of 515 million dollars) into the Police and Fire Pension for another 10 to 15 years. The money is presently due by 31 Dec 2016.
The police and fire accepted this bill because there was to be a bill providing for a casino in Chicago, and all the profits from that casino would go into the police and fire pension for 5 years or until both were 90% funded.
This bill, (SB-777) was sent to the governor on the 31st of March this year. THERE IS NO CASINO BILL ATTACHED NOR IS THERE ANY RECORD OF ONE BEING PROPOSED. The governor can sign the bill, or leave in on his desk and in 60 days it will automatically become law.
We need you and your friends to call Governor Rauner in Springfield at 217-782-0244 and request that he VETO SB-777. Please do this as soon as possible. All you are required to do is to tell the person who you are and that you want the governor to veto SB-777.
You can also contact your elected state official and asked them to also contact the governor with this request.
Someone want to tell the class what the heck is going on? We certainly hope that the FOP wasn't sold a bill of goods for a decade-plus grace period for a "casino" that isn't going to happen?
Labels: FOP, money questions, pension
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
114 Comments:
Fop fell for it. . . PBPA DID NOT !!!
1st we have Shields screw up on the important letter.
2nd we have Angelo give away contract options on a promise.
Can someone out there tell us why we are still paying dues for this
FOP7 disaster? I do not need a news letter, or vehicle sticker, or a screwed
up pocket phone book.
I need my contract honored and my retirement secured.
There have been additions to this bill such as the "casino funding our pensions". So don't get all worked up for nothing unless you care about the can getting kicked down the road. The city has still increased their contribution, just longer and slower.
You want answers? Ask Cullerton, Madigan and Rahm. Never mind, they are like the three monkeys, see no evil. hear no evil, speak no evil. Won't get nothing out of them unless they are water boarded.
According to Bella, this bill is dependent on the casino bill, and does not go into effect unless/until a funding source (casino) is in operation.
I would expect an update from FOP about this soon.
Sgts union wouldnt agree to the bill unless the casino bill was passed first.
Hey Deano - Now is the time to act on the behalf of your members. Since you did a credible job on WTTW discussing the IPRA Report with Lori Lightfoot, go back to Ch. 11 and let the city know how Rahmulus has again broken his word while scrambling to save the Lucas Musuem. State Senator Cullerton is also lurking behind the scenes, time to call him out as well.
SCC - Thank you for staying on top of this never ending saga.
I say the 4th of July weekend cough cough, yep 48 hour flu cough cough, fuck these thieving politicians cough cough, hope the Gov can get out the national guard cough cough. Its more than time the gloves have too come off til these 2 commie blood suck money lusting jagoffs are out of office. Dont hope the gov will do shit he is Rahm side piece visa versa They pair make Al Capone look like a choir boy. Its war its on cough cough cough
Dean you ignorant slut
SAY NO TO ANY ISRs how does Rahm and Rauner say fuck you: trust me!
Lappe stop looking at facebook for disabled cops you weirdo. Go get our money
Call. Do it. It's our pension money!
You peons are fucked.
WTF?! The lobbyist gave us a presentation at a Unit Rep meeting a year ago and provided some nice info and good answers. It looks like the lobbyist (or whoever is in Springfield) has some explaining to do. I would like to know who the FOP actually has down in Springfield. The book say there is a meeting on May 17th.
who would be the dumb ass to believe that given the history of Chicago politics, that anyone in political office would allow a penny of such funds that would be generated from a Chicago casino--- would be freely given to the Chicago police and fire pension without delay or stealing it.
I know of some stupid people, but this takes the cake.... also, why isn't anyone trying to get any pension money out of those bars that have slot machines.
Rham-ner pulls a quick one again
Yep, Fop and local 2 are responsible for this. They believed in a pipe dream casino. Anybody with a sense of Chicago politics would not have agreed to this. PBPA had it stopped for ahwile, you can thank them, but like anything in Illinois; wait for the smoke to clear and then try to pass it. Get on your iPhones people and let Rauner know that pension has to be paid now!!! Veto 777!!!
Get politically active in your future fellas. Call the governor. Do what you have to. The deck is stacked. Make the calls. Get serious about it.
When are you Hammerheads going to wake the f#ck up? Dean Angelo and his crew sold out to Rahm a very long time ago...They don't have any integrity or courage to be Men...They are very effete and feckless...
...as Rahm escapes down Lower Wacker Drive with the police pension money...
http://tinyurl.com/h299wae
HEY! Thwart that guy!
Not CPD. I hate the crap that you are dealing with, regarding your OWED pensions. You have worked for this, you are OWED this. You have done, and do daily more than the aldercreatures, yet they will get their pension.
I find it funny that "gimme a gun", has never come up on this blog. Lets see the DOJ spin that. Letting a pack worker go because he gave up a gun, is pathetic. Last years guns/arrests clearly show the facts.
You've been hoodwinked, bamboozled, flim-flammed, and conned.
Are you telling me NO ONE noticed that there was no Casino Bill?
They all knew, they just wanted to kick the can down the road another ten years. They will all be out of office and retired in Florida by then. THEY Will be retired on THEIR fully funded pension plans. Your Pension? Not so much.
Keep voting DemocRAT. If you think they can't screw you, Google it. There are retired Police who get nothing or reduced pensions across the country.
There is no money.
They can't pay up what they don't have.
Get used to beans and wienies, and cat food in retirement.
FOP - Forgive Or Pardon us, we are just dumb.
FOP - Forget Our Pledge (to you, the Rank & File)
FOP - Find (your own) Opportunities Please - we got ours
FOP - F#ck-ups On Parade
And the Prime Directive
FOP - Figure Out Pension
Did anyone REALLY think think this would happen?
Yet you assholes on days with two years on will still go out there and write your ISRs along with the rest of you who want to work VRI. You'd rather do that than start your own business or work a different side job. I hate to say it but we deserve what we get on this. None of us stick together because so many of you are worried about getting dumped off of 2nd watch with two years on or dumped from your "precious park/incident car" or you worry about your start time being changed or you and your partner being split up. Go write your ISRs and be good cops and don't worry about the little man behind the green curtain.
Somehow I think all of the facts are muddy on this. The city is on the hook for funding 777 even if the casino is not built. If the gov does not sign it we revert back to 1495. There is no funding mechanism for 1495. If the city does not pay it's payment we can sweep the city's grant money of amount 120 million. But if I've read this right we would only get 33% of that for 2016, 66% in 17 and 99% of the 120 in 18. But we also have to share with the fire department. If the casino is built we get all the proceeds even if it goes beyond what's required in 777 till we're 90% funded.
There is no teeth in 1495. It's like your brother in law owes you 550 dollars and he says you can have my state income tax return next year of about 28 dollars. The money for 777 is all ready in the bank.
Maybe someone who goes to the union meetings can tell us what month this was discussed so we can go back on line to see what was said at the meeting or Angelo could put out a position paper or article.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Fop fell for it. . . PBPA DID NOT !!!
5/04/2016 12:09:00 AM
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Bullshit The sgt's were begging the city to get a sgt on the casino commission. Couth that be ade? Remember they sold out us free health care!
Anonymous said...
1st we have Shields screw up on the important letter.
don't let dortherty off the hook either
2nd we have Angelo give away contract options on a promise.
Can someone out there tell us why we are still paying dues for this
FOP7 disaster? I do not need a news letter, or vehicle sticker, or a screwed
up pocket phone book.
I need my contract honored and my retirement secured.
5/04/2016 12:10:00 AM
Blame Daley, he and the alderfools started this mess. Everyone was warned but no one would listen. No one. Sad to see people banking on a casino to fund pensions, so you are enticing degenerate gamblers to fund pensions when there should be marches and riots over these toy projects that cost far more money. Oh yeah, I forget, the organizations that can approve these are non fucking profit so they answer to no one. Sweet. Daley wins again.
Give the FOP time to respond to this and put to rest any rumors however if they dropped the ball on this it may be time to seriously putting together teams to over throw current union members at the next election. Also think about this, this could also be the most prime opportunity to use this payment as an opportunity to secure a very good contract for us with a respectable raise.....This my friends is huge leverage and we did this once before when we forgave the city of a $20 million dollar payment owed to our union.
When is Deano going to respond?
Rahm can build more parks and playgrounds now
This is why you lift residency. There will be nothing left of this state very soon. How is this city going survive the coming depression after the elections?. You guys think if TRUMP wins everything will be ok? Wall Street will tank. They can't prop up this b.s. Economy anymore. Obama sunk us from within. Trillions in debt. Threats why the Fed and Wall Street backed Clinton. More of the same stays quo.
Casinos DEAD...
And NO they will never attach any profit sharing to the casino because the pension would need to look at the books.
And Rauner will not pass this...
Let's build a museum!
I thought Rauner was dead set against this.
Bad bill to begin with.....like casinos have never failed [NJ].
Even if a casino happens (which will probably be at the new DePaul Stadium), who will go there considering the no smoking, parking fees and city amusement tax? The only ones going will be convention and trade show out of towners and if you didn't notice they are getting about as scarce as an Englewood resident with a job.
You knew that was going to happen.
According to Bella, this bill is dependent on the casino bill, and does not go into effect unless/until a funding source (casino) is in operation.
I would expect an update from FOP about this soon.
5/04/2016 12:17:00 AM
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The FOP doesn't say shit unless you go to a meeting.
Hey, guess what?
There's a whole lot of us that have families to take care of before some FOP meeting.
How about letting us know what's going on, and NOT after the fact.
And Lappe doesn't say or do anything unless he's running for his pension bd position.
Don't waste your time. You know the sleazy politicians don't care that you dedicated your lives to the City of Chicago or for ignoring past promises and requirements. They do want they want. Don't fool yourselves into believing that a anyone should be held accountable for failing to fund pensions as the law required. We are in a new era where government officials can pick and chose those laws they want to enforce and those they don't want to enforce.
FOP would buy anything. They are not on our side.
Yes this bill must be vetoed. That is the only way us teachers can get a percentage of casino profits dedicated to our fund. Al the funds are in trouble without a dedicated way to fund the pensions the only answer is to raise property taxes again. 70% of casino profits would go to the police fund and 30% to the fire fund. It might be a pipe dream but we deserve our piece of your pie. Call Rauner.
Miss Skulte
6th grade teacher Mount Greenwood
Anybody Surprised...???
WTF?! The lobbyist gave us a presentation at a Unit Rep meeting a year ago and provided some nice info and good answers. It looks like the lobbyist (or whoever is in Springfield) has some explaining to do. I would like to know who the FOP actually has down in Springfield. The book say there is a meeting on May 17th.
5/04/2016 12:48:00 AM
Dave Sullivan is one of our lobbyist. He is a former state senator from Des plaines who resides in Park Ridge.
Nice guy, but I'm not even sure this bill can be moved without the casino bill. Kind of a two for one punch. Last I read if the casino bill isn't put together than this bill falls to the trash. I'll keep researching.
PhD.
When I read this blog, and see how you officers get treated, and the Democrats continue to place blame in your direction, while they run this city into the sewer, I dont know whether to laugh or cry.
Cheering for you guys from the sidelines! Im hoping Trump wins and Shillary cant save Rahm in DC.
Man those stripes for snagle tooth is costing us big time.
Get used to the fact there is no money. Illinois has been run so badly for so long that the magic is over.
Under SB-777 (our pension), section 5-168 (financing) subsection (i) it still explains that any revenue generated by a city operated casino must be used to fund the pensions. This bill as it sits on the governors desk is to amend the date the city MUST pay its portion, kick the can down the road. The actual casino bill is SB-744 which is still in play. do your due diligence and make educated decisions.
Anonymous said...
Yep, Fop and local 2 are responsible for this. They believed in a pipe dream casino. Anybody with a sense of Chicago politics would not have agreed to this. PBPA had it stopped for ahwile, you can thank them, but like anything in Illinois; wait for the smoke to clear and then try to pass it. Get on your iPhones people and let Rauner know that pension has to be paid now!!! Veto 777!!!
5/04/2016 12:57:00 AM
Son, you have been conned. The FOP leadership knew all along what would happen. Even a junior high school student council can figure out the end results. Politicians of all stripes- including FOP leadership are psychopaths.
Oh you mean because Rahm told the Fop that's what was going to happen? Then in turn the Fop endorsed Rahm based on this. And now Rahm isn't doing what he said. Also lets not forget that Mike shields just got paid 100k from the state Fop after he was bounced because he accused the fop of fixing two contracts... Hmmm, maybe he was on to something. Also, the state fop bought themselves out of that lawsuit with a settlement, the fop 7 are still defendants in the case. What else will come out? Is dean just continuing what shields was alleging? That the fop just goes along for a ride with the city?
We are not getting a pension. Chicago is going bankrupt like detroit. Chicago basically sold off all its assets and can care less about pensions. We are fucked , period
Anonymous Anonymous said...
There have been additions to this bill such as the "casino funding our pensions". So don't get all worked up for nothing unless you care about the can getting kicked down the road. The city has still increased their contribution, just longer and slower.
5/04/2016 12:10:00 AM
Ok...
Which one of Rahm's army of minions is this?
Nobody is fucking with YOUR futures so refrain
from fucking with ours.
Honor the agreement please.
If you choose not to, then you're
Not going to like the way we'll respond.
Just because Rahm has turned successive
regimes at f(l)op into his personal pocket pussies
at the negotiating table doesn't mean he has
nullified any possibility of directed negative action
by the membership in response to being shit on.
The very fact that Rahm has gotten to Dean Angelo
to slow-walk the membership for future cash, prizes and favors,
means little here at ground level.
Heh...
CPD is enduring a slowly metastasizing cheating scandal.
When is f(l)op's cheating scandal going to come to the forefront?
Seeing as how the union hierarchy is intentionally obtuse and
wholly given to such Rahm Emanuel traits as deflection, bullshit
and the artful show of "busy-ness" in order to blunt and stymie
any directed response to the intentional outrages committed by
the mayor, his staff and the media.
What the fuck are you on, Dean?
Why are you honoring a one sided
"Non-Aggression Pact with the most
Shit-Assed and dishonorable of men,
Rahm Emanuel?
C'mon Dean!
You're supposed to be a Cop
for crying out loud!
Start acting like one.
You've already proven we're "resilient"
and can take a punch... And what a tragically
misguided strategy that turned out to be...
Now start proving we can not only punch back,
but make it hurt badly.
Shame on you for not using all the weapons we
have in our arsenal. All you've accomplished with
your years of intentionally toothless response is
procuring you and your child's future favor from
Rahm to the detriment of the membership.
We don't need you to bark at every bump in the
night... We need you to tear the ass of m/fers
who boldly trespass because "they're just cops."
You're not vigilant.
You let too much shit get past you.
It was an easy call,name and veto bill 777 done,let's see what good it will do!?
When coppers don't vote, we don't matter.
Much more serious issues... George Lucas museum & transgender washrooms.
Checks in the mail..... honest
Lemme see if I got this right....
The Dem majority in the ILGA sends a bill to Rauner for him to sign, knowing it didn't have the pension funding attached.
Now those on this forum who've been pissing blood ever since Rauner was elected want his help.
But if he vetoes it he'll be portrayed in the media as anti-union.
Does that about cover it?
*** PEOPLE PAY ATTENTION ***
The following is a short explanation of this bill. If you would like to see a full explanation log in to FOP website and watch the videos explaining the bill.
Ok, so there was previous pension legislation enacted(near the end of Daley's term)to ensure that the City began increasing contributions to the Police and Fire pension funds because the funding levels were getting too low. This legislation had some teeth because it had a penalty attached to it that said if City didn't pay these increased amounts then the money would be taken from State grant money that the City received. It also had a funding schedule that said payments would be large at the beginning and then lessen over the years until 2040 when, after all the increased payments, the pension would be funded at 90%. Sounds good, right?
Well, the fund became so depleted (due to increased number of retirements, disability officers and bad investments), accountants determined that the initial Actuarial Required Contributions would have to be very large payments. The first required payment would have been around $580 million (and that was just for the Police pension and not including the Fire pension)! This is kind of like paying off a huge credit card bill...hopefully you pay a bunch of big payments in the beginning and then pay smaller payments over time until you are out of the hole.
But... the silly citizens elected Rahm Emanuel, the investment banking wizard of the post-Clinton White House. Rahm and his advisors decided all of these pension bills needed to be re-worked or else Rahm was going to look like a jagbag raising taxes through the roof in order to pay these huge required amounts.
Sooo...enter Senate Bill 777. Rahm got cozy with the heads of the Police and Fire Unions and they began talking about changing YOUR pension funding mechanisms!! And guess what...your unions never you told you they were doing it, until the legislation had already passed!
Now SB777 lessened the initial funding amounts required and spread the payments over an additional 15 years (now it will be 90% in year 2055 instead of 2040). Basically, Rahm re-financed what was owed to the pension funds. If you can't afford it, fuckin' re-finance it!! That's what I always say.
In exchange for the re-finance, Rahm dangled a carrot in front of the Unions' eyes... A CASINO!! If the Unions would be quiet and let Rahm re-finance, then when the new Casino is built, all profits would go ONLY to Police and Fire pension funds. Rahm said "WHEN" the casino is built...but those of us wise ones knew that this was a phantom casino.
So, in essence we let Rahm and the City re-finance the upfront huge pension balloon payment of $580 million to a lesser $330 million and spread payments over an additional 15 years in exchange for our pension funding being supplemented with proceeds from a non-existent casino.
Some of the Union advisors said this was a good deal, because if we didn't get on board with this re-finance then the City would just let the pensions go bankrupt. This is where I disagreed. I wanted to let the chips fall where they may and let the courts see where the City is really hiding the money. I wanted to let the courts force the City to pay. The advisors said this was too huge of a gamble and the prospect of losing our asses was very real.
Right now there are ZERO bills in the works regarding a Chicago casino. I doubt we will ever get one. In some ways, I don't mind allowing the City to re-finance the debt. My problem is that we gave up something and didn't really get anything in return. The advisors say the return is that the pension doesn't go broke. I say, what's to stop the City from kicking the can down the road again and using the money saved from the re-finance to build another DePaul stadium??
I hoped this explanation helped...
Heard some of the dicks are talking about bailing out of the FOP and going with a different union, and yes they can even though they are po's assigned as detectives. Keep an eye on this.
WTF. Is CPS running FOP? Do we have a competent union in this city? I am paying $570 for union dues this year, but only getting $70 worth. WTF FOP. Speak up, keep us informed. When are the FOP elections? Oh right. I'll know cuz the FOP will be at court to greet me when I sign in, and be smiling in the hall of my district and at the academy. Just make sure you have your list of accomplishments with you, do you need a post it note?
Just read it and just called and gave my veto speech.
FOP is not the blame for everything that goes wrong. Come to the meeting this month and let's discuss your concerns. I will address each one of your issues with fact not speculation. Things are moving quickly down state and I can assure our spokes persons are on top of it. See you at the meeting.
Jg
Fraternal Order of Police, Chicago Lodge #7
May 4, 2016
Senate Bill 777 Truth
There is misinformation that originated in the "RCPA" newsletter and also on Facebook regarding Senate Bill 777. Individuals that are completely misinformed, and who have had no participation in the development of or the language contained within Senate Bill 777, are suggesting that members contact the Governor's Office in an attempt to get the Bill vetoed. The threat of the $515 million that is being circulated is COMPLETELY INACCURATE!
Lodge 7, Firefighter Union Local 2, and a team of accountants and lobbyists worked tirelessly to ensure that Senate Bill 777 would contribute to benefitting the future solvency of our pension funds. Representatives from the Nationally recognized Center for Tax and Budget Accountability who are proficient in securing retiree benefits and annuities participated in, reviewed, and assisted with drafting the language prior to the bill being submitted to the legislature.
If vetoed any funding that is currently dedicated as part of Senate Bill 777 could be rewritten to allow those funds to be reallocated into a different city pension system and not into the Police and Fire Funds as presently GUARANTEED.
I have addressed these erroneous claims with the President of RCPA who will be printing a retraction. In the mean time we strongly suggest everyone refrain from contacting the Governor's office in regard to vetoing Senate Bill 777.
As always if you have any questions or need clarification please call the Lodge.
Be Safe and God Bless the Police,
Dean C. Angelo Sr., President
Fraternal Order of Police, Lodge 7
Fraternal Order of Police, Chicago Lodge #7
1412 W. Washington Blvd.
Chicago IL 60607
Why no station security in 010? A P.O.'s personal car was all keyed up! 3rd hides station security on the desk.
Dart planning a run for Mayor.
Positions love to get our money. They move in and have the pension board invest in their nonsense.
Craparrelli has been kicked out of lodge 2 times yet is back in under dean as officer making captains pay...shows how smart dean is
And crapparelli just keeps telling people he can't do Nuttin cuz he is just the treasurer...hey then give up the big paycheck a$$hole
I just called. Got answering machine left a detailed message. Call people!
Called and some young bimbo answers and said "ok I ll let him know" Really!?
Wasn't that big tax increase going to pay the pensions? Where is that money going to now?
To the webmaster.
Now that you have everyone's attention this is the time to post a topic. Without a property tax increase what are your ideas to find funding for our pension? We are at the crossroads, this problem has been in the making for the past 50 years and going back to then is not an answer. You can point fingers and assign blame but that is not an answer. Passing a Bill to increase the funding ratio without legislating where the funds will come from is not an answer. Just post comments that have actual ideas and block the nonsense make our officers think this through. I hope we get 1,000 comments but the over and under is set at 38.
Greg Bella
Yet you assholes on days with two years on will still go out there and write your ISRs along with the rest of you who want to work VRI. You'd rather do that than start your own business or work a different side job. I hate to say it but we deserve what we get on this. None of us stick together because so many of you are worried about getting dumped off of 2nd watch with two years on or dumped from your "precious park/incident car" or you worry about your start time being changed or you and your partner being split up. Go write your ISRs and be good cops and don't worry about the little man behind the green curtain.
5/04/2016 05:39:00 AM
Yeah, because starting a succesful business is so fucking easy. I don't know what is easier, starting a successful business or finding a side job that pays $60 hour?
It was a great movie with Jimmy Stewart,
Call Northside 777. All about a wrongfully convicted man from Chicago.
We got taken to the cleaners again and FOP/Deano just will not admit it.
Deano - Thy words are NOT soothing to mine ears. They read like they were written by a scared drowning rat. Why was all this done in secret, you douchebag?
IMO all sb 777 does is kick the can down the road and diminish the legislation fop fought for and got passed in 2011.
Senate Bill 3538 is the Pension Reform Bill for Police and Fire in the State of Illinois. All other public employees in the State were included in SB1946, which was their pension re-form bill that passed in April of this year. The big difference between how their bill passed and how SB3538 passed is that the General Assembly chose to negotiate with Police/Fire prior to passing our reform and for that we are grateful. SB3538 was passed forcing the city of Chicago to conform with the actuarial study and granted Chicago police officers the same rights as downstate police officers enjoy regarding pension funding. Any democrat looks at our pension fund as that collection notice that we keep receiving but know it does not belong to us so we ignore the bill vowing to never pay it. Any diminishment to SB3538 should be protested by all police and fire in Chicago. As it is, they have yet to grant those who were born after 1955 the 3% COLA that they promised to renew every five years. This city is full of shit but make sure the pension they will collect from is fully funded. Fuck these jag offs.
They will let the pensions go bankrupt...congrees will get involved...its coming.
So volunteer for station security...I am sure we can make it happen
Is the guy they interviewed here a cop? He is wearing a star of some sort on his shirt...he has goofy facial hair too. But he is Anglo.
http://abc7chicago.com/news/1-fatally-shot-1-wounded-outside-popular-pilsen-restaurant/1322714/
How about passing a Marijuana Bill and legalizing It. The profits will be so enormous that it can pay for the pension. Look at Colorado, made a Million Dollars in sales taxes in 3 days.
http://www.chicagofop.org/news/senate-bill-777-important-information
Hey Rahm! How 'bout penny slots in restaurants?
We are not getting a pension. Chicago is going bankrupt like detroit. Chicago basically sold off all its assets and can care less about pensions. We are fucked , period
Before you get your panties in a bunch you sisterboy mayor has around 3 BILLION IN TIFS
To the webmaster.
Now that you have everyone's attention this is the time to post a topic. Without a property tax increase what are your ideas to find funding for our pension? We are at the crossroads, this problem has been in the making for the past 50 years and going back to then is not an answer. You can point fingers and assign blame but that is not an answer. Passing a Bill to increase the funding ratio without legislating where the funds will come from is not an answer. Just post comments that have actual ideas and block the nonsense make our officers think this through. I hope we get 1,000 comments but the over and under is set at 38.
Greg Bella
Sell Midway, Greg. No DePaul Arena, Greg. No Star Wars museum, Greg. No city money for an Obama library, Greg. No more flower boxes in the middle of the streets, Greg. No more bike lanes at a cost of $97 mil, Greg. How about the waste of taxpayer dollars on Maggie Daley Park, that Chicago Fire on The River fiasco, Greg? There was money for that. How about 20-30 less alderman, Greg? How about a real look at the city's books, including what really goes on with TIF money, Greg? Maybe stop giving these huge corporations tax breaks, Greg. Maybe if FOP didn't allow King Richie to borrow $50 mil from the pension, and forgive paying back $25 mil, and then let his fuckup nephew and corrupt business partner Alison Davis mismanage (steal), and lose our pension funds, that might have helped too. Were you there for that, Greg? Oh, wait, that's pointing a finger and assigning blame. Can't do that. Fuck you, Greg. You're a major douchebag, Greg. You never said anything about name-calling. Asshole.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
To the webmaster.
Now that you have everyone's attention this is the time to post a topic. Without a property tax increase what are your ideas to find funding for our pension? We are at the crossroads, this problem has been in the making for the past 50 years and going back to then is not an answer. You can point fingers and assign blame but that is not an answer. Passing a Bill to increase the funding ratio without legislating where the funds will come from is not an answer. Just post comments that have actual ideas and block the nonsense make our officers think this through. I hope we get 1,000 comments but the over and under is set at 38.
Greg Bella
5/04/2016 05:39:00 PM
Raising property tax is no different than just asking us to pay more because WE are the ones that own property. It is NOT YOUR PLACE to suggest HOW rahm funds our pensions.... it is your place to simply make sure that he does it. Property tax? really? That would be the last place I would suggest. I'd suggest cutting services to the leeches that don't pay in to anything in the first place. CPS kids get breakfast. and lunch. and a snack. Start there maybe. The savings per kid ought to more than pay for what is owed. Cut back on festivals. Hell, unscrew every other light bulb in the street light. Do anything but raise the tax on the city worker.
As it is, they have yet to grant those who were born after 1955 the 3% COLA that they promised to renew every five years. This city is full of shit but make sure the pension they will collect from is fully funded. Fuck these jag offs.
5/04/2016 08:31:00 PM
Not after 1955. After 31 December 1954.
Future application of a 3% COLA increase is DOA.
This women who was shields personal secretary gives you a look into the real mike shields. She had everything to loose and nothing to gain by composing this letter. She had more respect for police officers and their well being than the entire shields crew combined. This is a very enlightening read.
http://www.dukesblotter.com/2012/08/union-chicago-no-love-in-fop-lodge-7.html
Hey Greg,
Every other police department charges events and festivals for police service. We should too. In a lot of cities if you have a gathering over a certain number of people you have to hire a cop or two to be there and pay a city fee. Political ones too. In many places when major streets are blocked the construction company pays a fee for every day the street is blocked and has to hire a cop to facilitate traffic. We can contract grease and oil to Jiffy Lube and save millions. We can start eliminating the number of paper copies for everything we do and save millions again.
There's a lot you can do to get money coming in for the pension if you really wanted to. But the city doesn't.
Retiring Soon
05:41AM on 04 May 16 is correct. 777 is a better bill. It does stretch out the payments longer, but the money is already in the bank. 1495 has a no teeth, money diverted from the city would be a drop in the bucket. Casino/No casino makes no difference, they're on the hook for 777 even if they have to have a bake sale to fund it.
So this was all a false alarm? What was the authors motive? In the service we would have given this guy a blanket party.
Back to the PENSiON issue - I just went online and read the bill. Here is the problem with the info being put out by the lodge -
It's crap. You have to go back a few years to the creation of tier 2 pension benefits for CPD. When the tier 2 (same employee contributions lower benefits) our lobby dream team was Mark Donohue and Mark "the tool" O'Toole they traded the lower tier 2 pension for language that requires the City to make higher payment to get the pension funded sooner using a formula that actually has some link to reality. The prior formula was way out of whack having the city put way less in than needed. A bad deal especially for young guys and new hires but at least the pension would be funded right . . . Or so they said. The new funding amount went into effect with the 2015 levy (which is why Rahm raised property taxes The dill on Rauner's desk re-lowers the city's obligation but with the promise that IF Chicago gets a casino the proceeds will go fund police a fire pensions. That sounds good but we all know that the law can be and does get amended all the time. Plus that's a big IF since nobody is talking about a casino bill for Chicago. So basically if the city gets this bill through they will have gotten FOP to 1. Agree to lower benefits for police under tier 2 and 2. The city gets out of paying the higher contributions they were supposed to make under the tier 2 deal. And 3 the city gets to take a big chunk of the money they already collected in taxes for those higher pension payments and use them for something else.
At least that how I see things. Anyone can look at the bill that wants to. It'sSB 777 on the ILGA website.
Yet you assholes on days with two years on will still go out there and write your ISRs along with the rest of you who want to work VRI. You'd rather do that than start your own business or work a different side job. I hate to say it but we deserve what we get on this. None of us stick together because so many of you are worried about getting dumped off of 2nd watch with two years on or dumped from your "precious park/incident car" or you worry about your start time being changed or you and your partner being split up. Go write your ISRs and be good cops and don't worry about the little man behind the green curtain.
5/04/2016 05:39:00 AM
Yeah, because starting a successful business is so fucking easy. I don't know what is easier, starting a successful business or finding a side job that pays $60 hour?
5/04/2016 06:11:00 PM
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I'm the original poster. Yes I know that starting a successful business is NOT easy. I'll be first to tell you that. I work tirelessly at it and I am burnt out. BUT I have something that is not related to being a LEO. I know not everyone can do what I do but I know a few others doing my line of work on CPD and the few I know are successful. I have a plan B and I am going next year with 20 years on it.
My point is to start doing something NOW. I am currently down at 376 due to an IOD and a few guys are slated to be fired. I asked each one of them what they are doing to plan for the potential demise of their careers. You know what? NOT ONE COPPER is even considering a plan B for themselves. It was the deer in the headlights. The Titanic is sinking. NONE of them are planning for another career. I just wanted to SMH and slap them all. You know you are getting fired and will need a new job but you're doing zero about it. Amazing.
I know I got sidetracked but my point is most cops don't plan past Friday let alone a side career. Guys there is SO MUCH MONEY TO BE made out there but most of you don't realize it.
Get your degree or get promoted but have a plan B from CPD. DON'T work VRI or CTA for God sake unless you are doing it to save for a business.
There are all kinds of opportunities out there. You just have to find yours. By all means do 20 but then get out. Maybe this will motivate you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKjCT0f8VQc
Fop sent out a msg yesterday immediately in rebuttal of your story scc. Guess deano has his eyes on you as well
3 Billion in TIFS!!!.....hey brother the funds are over 40 BILLION behind,hopefully you have been putting $$ in your 401k,we are screwed!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
To the webmaster.
Now that you have everyone's attention this is the time to post a topic. Without a property tax increase what are your ideas to find funding for our pension? We are at the crossroads, this problem has been in the making for the past 50 years and going back to then is not an answer. You can point fingers and assign blame but that is not an answer. Passing a Bill to increase the funding ratio without legislating where the funds will come from is not an answer. Just post comments that have actual ideas and block the nonsense make our officers think this through. I hope we get 1,000 comments but the over and under is set at 38.
Greg Bella
How Rahm comes up with the money is not the FOPs or our problem. He is trying to squeeze blood from a stone. He can make a contribution right now, if he has to. Last thing the city should do is raise taxes, on the people who already pay a large some of the city's taxes.
5/04/2016 05:39:00 PM
There is no reason for 50 alderman, make it one alderman per police district which will slice that budget in half and lead to more continuity.
No money on Lucas Museum, no more money on DePaul Stadium, go after Nabisco/Mondalez for all the TIF monies paid for their expansion since they are moving half of the 600 jobs to Mexico. No more free fests, charge admittance fees just as Milwaukee does, that is double bubble as it will keep problem people out. Cut the CPD and CFD brass to proper levels. No money to hotel at Navy Pier and gondola rides over the Chicago River. Just a few ways to save and make money.
push for the 3% cola at mandatory retirement age
it's a start to get it back , option to stay until 63 for a better cola
it will never be at age 55 again
Raising property tax is no different than just asking us to pay more because WE are the ones that own property. It is NOT YOUR PLACE to suggest HOW rahm funds our pensions.... it is your place to simply make sure that he does it. Property tax? really? That would be the last place I would suggest. I'd suggest cutting services to the leeches that don't pay in to anything in the first place. CPS kids get breakfast. and lunch. and a snack. Start there maybe. The savings per kid ought to more than pay for what is owed. Cut back on festivals. Hell, unscrew every other light bulb in the street light. Do anything but raise the tax on the city worker.
5/04/2016 11:16:00 PM
The food programs at the public schools are Federal programs. Good luck trying to eliminate them.
Do you think a city run casino would actually turn a profit. After all the looting of every government program or entity in Chitcago I can't see why this would be any different.
For those of you who are spreading more lies that there is no Casino Bill introduced:
99TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY
State of Illinois
2015 and 2016
HB2939
Introduced , by Rep. Robert Rita
SYNOPSIS AS INTRODUCED:
Amends the Riverboat Gambling Act. Changes the short title to the Illinois Gambling Act and changes corresponding references to the Act throughout the statutes. Authorizes the Illinois Gaming Board to conduct gambling operations on a riverboat or in a casino, through a licensed manager, within the City of Chicago.
This bill, if you took time to look it up, is currently in the Rules Committee.
Oh, wait, that's pointing a finger and assigning blame. Can't do that. Fuck you, Greg. You're a major douchebag, Greg. You never said anything about name-calling. Asshole.
That's why I love you now go fuck yourself
Grge
The disabled dwarf Angelo AND mini Tony Soprano Bella BOTH COMMENTING on the blog! Well, if that don't beat all. SCC hit a nerve. CAREFUL! those two vertically challenged twirps are letting the City city kick the can too far down the road on funding our pensions. FACT: The pensions will never be solvent given the recent downsizing of the CPD. They need an injection of cash to deal with the fact that a whole lot less people are paying in. It is simple math! ANOTHER FACT: It's not our problem where or how the City comes up with the money. I see Greg and Dean talking, but I hear Rahm.
Thanks for nothing, Bella. Enjoy your pension, while you can. You too, little man. Your "disability" pension.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
To the webmaster.
Now that you have everyone's attention this is the time to post a topic. Without a property tax increase what are your ideas to find funding for our pension? We are at the crossroads, this problem has been in the making for the past 50 years and going back to then is not an answer. You can point fingers and assign blame but that is not an answer. Passing a Bill to increase the funding ratio without legislating where the funds will come from is not an answer. Just post comments that have actual ideas and block the nonsense make our officers think this through. I hope we get 1,000 comments but the over and under is set at 38.
Greg Bella
5/04/2016 05:39:00 PM
Raising property tax is no different than just asking us to pay more because WE are the ones that own property. It is NOT YOUR PLACE to suggest HOW rahm funds our pensions.... it is your place to simply make sure that he does it. Property tax? really? That would be the last place I would suggest. I'd suggest cutting services to the leeches that don't pay in to anything in the first place. CPS kids get breakfast. and lunch. and a snack. Start there maybe. The savings per kid ought to more than pay for what is owed. Cut back on festivals. Hell, unscrew every other light bulb in the street light. Do anything but raise the tax on the city worker.
5/04/2016 11:16:00 PM
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To Greg Bella
Leave SCC alone. Stop getting paid by FOP. Stop attending FOP meetings, and stay put back in your home with the gang bangers all around you.
Can only say one thing only one guy signs his posts. Nothing more to be said and I'm no fan. Truth is the truth
I have only seen two guys sign off on their posts, Bella and Catanzara they should team up. Maybe they are both crazy.
This bill, if you took time to look it up, is currently in the Rules Committee.
5/05/2016 11:08:00 AM
Where all good bills go to die?
If it isn't called, it dies.
Nice scam.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
push for the 3% cola at mandatory retirement age
it's a start to get it back , option to stay until 63 for a better cola
it will never be at age 55 again
5/05/2016 10:22:00 AM
It's political suicide for any politician or public figure to back this.
It's DEAD until the economy is roaring again.
Might be awhile. Or never.
Can we get an update in post SCC ? Thanks in advance
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I have only seen two guys sign off on their posts, Bella and Catanzara they should team up. Maybe they are both crazy.
5/05/2016 06:14:00 PM
Maybe neither of them are Bella or Catanzara.
Love, Florence Nightingale
Oh, wait, that's pointing a finger and assigning blame. Can't do that. Fuck you, Greg. You're a major douchebag, Greg. You never said anything about name-calling. Asshole.
That's why I love you now go fuck yourself
Grge
5/05/2016 01:09:00 PM
I have to say, Greg, I'm a little disappointed with your comeback. I expected more from you. Kinda lame. That's ok though, you're busy. Donahue's balls need to be licked, and Billy D said it's your turn, and Dean's diaper needs to be changed.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
push for the 3% cola at mandatory retirement age
it's a start to get it back , option to stay until 63 for a better cola
it will never be at age 55 again
5/05/2016 10:22:00 AM
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
That COLA is a joke too!
See, we along with the Firemen in Chicago (only Chicago) get a simple cola.
Everyone else in the city, county, state get a compounded cola.
I don't know how anyone thought that this is a cost of living increase, when it never increases.
And, if you were born after 1955 you do not get 3%, you only get 1.5%!
Here's a word to all the young guns out there, start saving a whole lot of money for your retirement. And I wouldn't count on deferred comp. Invest in a Roth IRA. The returns are far better than that bs deferred comp.
re's a word to all the young guns out there, start saving a whole lot of money for your retirement. And I wouldn't count on deferred comp. Invest in a Roth IRA. The returns are far better than that bs deferred comp.
Idiots like you have been complaining about deferred since around 1984. I heard all the horror stories about its held in the city's name and you will never receive it. Instead of listening to the doomsayers I maxed out in the beginning and continued until I retired. After I retired I didn't immediately start withdrawing the funds. Now that I am 72 last year I was required to take the required minimum withdrawal. I have over a million dollars in deferred and have the minimum withdrawn each year for 27 yrs. they take out and send me a check each years for 6.5% of my million. That's $65,000.00 a year.
That's my experience with the deferred comp and I'm sure I didn't listened to the whiners and complainers
nonymous said...
We are not getting a pension. Chicago is going bankrupt like detroit. Chicago basically sold off all its assets and can care less about pensions. We are fucked , period
Before you get your panties in a bunch you sisterboy mayor has around 3 BILLION IN TIFS
5/04/2016 10:42:00 PM
There is no comparison between Chicago and Detroit. None it's like comparing apples and oranges. Chicago has a strong property tax base with residents paying them them. Detroit had almost 50% of the residents not paying their property taxes water bills etc. there was a glut of vacant residences and foreclosure so Chicago also has a strong tax base. Look at downtown and the near north. All the new construction.
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