McCarthy was Wrong?
So much of the anti-police bias nowadays ends up being based on a half-assed reading of data, reports and an almost purposeful misreading of results:
- The one chance for Chicago City Council members to question Eddie Johnson before approving him as police superintendent was an April 12 council hearing.
The city’s murder numbers were way up. But the police department was still staggering from the fallout of a video that showed an officer fatally shooting 17-year-old Laquan McDonald.
The number of police stops had fallen off a cliff.
Some council members wanted Johnson to tell how he would increase that number. “How do we get the officers to do it?” Alderman Patrick Daley Thompson asked.
Johnson answered that the department had taken one step already. It had trimmed back the length of a report that officers had to fill out for each stop. “Every week we’re seeing [an] uptick in terms of the utilization of those forms,” he said. “So we’ll get there.”
Unquestioned at the hearing was an assumption: Police stops make the community safer.
The story goes on to correlate stops to gun seizures to clearance rates to crimes reported to all sorts of stuff. It seems in-depth, but we sense a shallowness to it behind all the charts and graphs.
Opinions?
Opinions?
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
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Stops to increase?
Fox 32 quotes Emmanuel as questioning why a police pursuit went on for so long.
Let me clarify, I'm not a huge proponent of vehicle pursuits, but this was someone wanted for homicide correct?
So keep telling the media that everything we do is wrong, and we won't do anything at all.
Uptick is prolly those recent recruits doing them, if you ask me... Doing a form does not make the community a safer place. Recently I was told by my SGT to forget about filling one out... Needless to say I would had taken my time and stretched out if I did do it.
Is anyone going to charge out there and write some ISRS?
Sounds like those experts want you to be less aggressive?
My observations: Doing stops does discourage the gang members from carrying guns. That said you need to be stopping the right people and you have to stop them in the right way. It got insane when you were stopping people just for the "numbers." Another observation is contact cards vs homicide clearances you had a few factors in the mix which were not discussed. The 48 hour rule was being enforced, the video tapping of homicide interviews, the loss of leverage on reluctant witnesses,a felony review that was reluctant to charge anyone, and the revolving door prison system.
There is an an anti-police agenda out there and corruption.
Look who the expert is that they quote. Wasn't she the big Elton John fan?
Anonymous said...
Look who the expert is that they quote. Wasn't she the big Elton John fan?
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And we have a winner! Wedster was the goof who led a field invasion of the secured airport taxiway at Midway with an unknown number of armed groupies who had zero business being inside the FAA perimeter. The stink over that one was extensive, but you know the Manning girls always got what they wanted - cushy spots, "merit" promotions, attempted fan girl meets with Sir Elton. Hell, Radke "gifted" Wedster his Captain star upon his retirement - #1 - and Wedster's sister was his admin sergeant for years. Start tying together that "family tree" and you'll find all sorts of craziness.
And we have a winner! Wedster was the goof who led a field invasion of the secured airport taxiway at Midway with an unknown number of armed groupies who had zero business being inside the FAA perimeter. The stink over that one was extensive, but you know the Manning girls always got what they wanted - cushy spots, "merit" promotions, attempted fan girl meets with Sir Elton. Hell, Radke "gifted" Wedster his Captain star upon his retirement - #1 - and Wedster's sister was his admin sergeant for years. Start tying together that "family tree" and you'll find all sorts of craziness.
5/06/2016 05:45:00 AM
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And, don't forget that the "armed groupies" were all part of her staff at the Academy.
Some not so bright ones teaching recruits.
Let's go ahead and continue applying corporate policies to running the Chicago Police Dept. We need more data analysts, computer scientists, technology vendors, graphs, charts, reports, restructuring and meetings about meetings. If we can just get enough DAY-ta, and find the right thinkers and methods to ANALYZE it, and if we consequently design and track better OUTCOMES, then crime will go down. And everyone will just put those guns down. And gang bangers will reform their ways. And parents will protect and nurture their children so they grow up to be positive and productive adults.
Don't believe there Bull Shit, do nothing!
Obama Administration Report Praises Law Enforcement.
The Washington Post Share to FacebookShare to Twitter (5/4, Ehrenfreund) details a report released last week by President Obama’s Council of Economic Advisers that says “hiring tens of thousands of additional police officers could have real benefits for society in general, preventing as many as 1.5 million crimes annually.” The Post says the report cites “extensive research showing that more officers do prevent crime.”
Now everyone involved in the vehicle pursuit the other night is under the microscope. This was the pursuit of someone suspected of being involved in a homicide/death investigation. If a vehicle pursuit of a homicide suspect is "Wrong", then ANY VEHICLE PURSUIT IS WRONG. The Mayor clearly intends to be on the side of Anything that criticizes or questions police conduct. So the police response must be Do Nothing! Is the ACLU going to have full access to everything related to this vehicle pursuit? Historically, anyone who is not wealthy, is of less value in Cook County, because of the Felony Review Process. The Hoops and Process of determining if you are a "Good Victim" reduces charges and makes your life worth less. Now it will extend to the entire policing process. Service will be so closely monitored, that anyone taking police action is risking his/her entire future career! IS IT WORTH IT? Stay Fetal, Stay Fetal, Stay Fetal. Baby"G"
The Mayor does NOT like the police. The Shitcago media is controlled by the Mayor. They only print or discuss negative stories concerning the police. Eddie Johnson is going to be the Mayor's fallguy, and I think he maybe to naïve to understand.
The CPD is run by a bunch of piss poor, cheating, corrupt, gold star pension stealing, clouted jerks. Morale is at an all time low. Nobody in their rite mind will write ISR reports.
And Eddie and the media are completely ignoring the Lts Exam Cheating Scandal....enuff said!
And its right back to making up PC for the stops. Sure we know they are shit heads, but the Law/Constitution says they actually have to do something that would make a reasonable person believe a crime has been, or will be, committed. A "uptick" over easier forms? Yeah, thats a good one.
Good thing I'm not a cynic cause if I was I'd think the Bosses are pressuring the serfs, most of all the young ones, to fucking come in with these things and to start seeing criminal activity. Or activity that is about to be committed.
Just wait until you get caught on video lieing about why you stopped Joe Shit head. Think Eddie will come to your rescue then?
Not a Wedster fan, but I believe this article actually makes a lot of sense. All I hear people say is under McCarthy, all you heard about was contact cards, almost to the exclusion of everything else. Homicides have actually been fairly steady over the last 8 years or so. There were decreases, but nothing that significant. So worried about contact cards and call ins, no polcie work.
But I thought it was the pilgrims?
"Sense a shallowness to it...." LOLOL! Aw c'mon SCC! Yer crackin' me up!
This is like saying Chicago has cancer growing at its core but dicking around with the label on a bottle of aspirin might make it go away. Get f'ing real.
Make no mistake, it is cancer. But just like when the doc comes back with your test results and gives you the bad news, the first thing that flashes...always...is denial. This city has been in denial for generations. And nothing will get fixed until and unless the patient admits there's a problem.
Cancer has three cures: You cut it out. You poison it. Or you burn it out.
Project Exile for gun crime. Prosecute white collar crime hard. Disrupt the gangs.
And quit expecting a miraculous cure from popping aspirin.
There will be no "reengagement" with the "community" until the shackles of PC, ACLU, #BLM, the SJW's, white apologists, the regressive leftist racists, and the "community" itself realizes that policing is a unique and extremely difficult profession. What has been taken from police officers is the ability to engage their instincts and knowledge to confront genuine criminal behavior and successfully intercept and defeat it. The perception of law enforcement officers as the enemy promulgated by the legal profession, politicians , generations of individuals in the community, the media and others has made policing very nearly impossible. To expect a person who has accepted the job of police officer with the knowledge that any mistake can cost them their livelihood, their families security, and their own freedom crushes the desire to perform.
As a society we have gotten away from the basic reason for having law enforcement and law enforcement personnel: to stand between criminals and criminality and those who wish to and deserve to live in peace in a lawful society.
The balance has tipped in favor of those who flaunt societies values and the cancer that is lawlessness threatens everyone.
Change has to, indeed must, start at the very top with strong support for all law enforcement at every level, the acknowledgment that societal rules and values are the bedrock of a strong and successful citizenry. At the same time we must also recognize that sometimes an individual may slip between the cracks and hide their criminality behind the symbols of law enforcement. Thankfully these persons are a relative few and the overwhelming number of peace officers are honestly trying to make their communities a safer place for all to live. No one is or should be above the law. Lawyers should not be able to subvert, circumvent or manipulate the law for their own self enrichment. That goes for politicians also.
To those who say it is all the fault of the police: Imagine 24 hours without any police service, and please be careful of what you wish for.
(An uptick? Is that like a bedbug?)
One has to wonder why ANYONE would do an ISR for a Supt that most recently blasted the PO's who are writing the majority of those ISR's as Racists.
"Anonymous:...'My observations': Doing stops does discourage the gang members from carrying guns. That said you need to be stopping the right people and you have to stop them in the right way..."
—. You are absolutely correct. But I'm still seeing the Numbers Guys still trying to put that mystery gangway gun on dude and Sgts insisting that Dets charge the Fel UUW. There are just some stubborn idiots still out there that are living in the past. Don't make up tales just for a CB.
Stop No Man until the Anti-Police rhetoric ceases.
Stay Fetal-StaySafe.
I'm no company man by any means. And I'm absolutely NOT saying go out and do ISR's. Hell, I would advice going as few as you possibly can- understanding that in police work sometimes you HAVE to do one. The guys saying "I will never do one....." That's just not possible. But anyways- time for my point.
Working in an investigative unit, contact cards were invaluable for helping to piece things together. I'll leave it fairly general since we're on an open forum. But it USED to just be called "doing your homework", which started with good police work. Identifying offenders, linking co-offenders together, and searching getaway vehicles in contact cards has helped close many a cases.
Now that the information pool from which investigators can search for possible offenders has shrank by a huge amount- watch clearance rates fall too. Another unforeseen fallout of the ACLU/ISR debacle.
When doing a contact card, often times the officer had the right guy- just on the wrong day/time. But that information could be used to identify/find the offender after he DID do something.
Now, without those contact cards there is no data to identify the offender from.
Charts, graphs and statistics is what is being used against the police departments all around the US. The progressives are now quoting a recent study in NY and the NYPD that has actually shown a reduction in crime since the street stops were curtailed as their proof that they were correct all along that there were far too many racist street stops. I imagine this article will be used in a similar method. There has been way too much pressure for contact cards and street stops which resulted in a lot of bad ones and a lot of upset people. So, maybe this is a good thing.
Interesting piece. You can read it as anti-cop but that's a waste of time, because there's a real question in it: you've got a fixed number of POs you can put on the street. What's the best way to use them--focus on doing high numbers of stops, or something else?
If all of you officers recognize the bulllshit from top to bottom of this department, my question is this, why in God's name are you doing anything? The longer you stay fetal, the sooner things will turn in your direction and once again this department will be the once proud department it was. The city has to believe that given the tools, you can do your job.
Anonymous HQ Remembers said...
Anonymous said...
Look who the expert is that they quote. Wasn't she the big Elton John fan?
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
And we have a winner! Wedster was the goof who led a field invasion of the secured airport taxiway at Midway with an unknown number of armed groupies who had zero business being inside the FAA perimeter. The stink over that one was extensive, but you know the Manning girls always got what they wanted - cushy spots, "merit" promotions, attempted fan girl meets with Sir Elton. Hell, Radke "gifted" Wedster his Captain star upon his retirement - #1 - and Wedster's sister was his admin sergeant for years. Start tying together that "family tree" and you'll find all sorts of craziness.
5/06/2016 05:45:00 AM
Was there what a clouted goof and nothing happened to her as usual! On another subject rahm is criticizing police for that chase of a possible homicide offender, because of the accidents but wait mayor do your detail guys with the huge gas hogging suv's still run red lights full speed ahead! Now when they crash and hurt/kill an innocent will you deny or support them?
Is his middle name really Daley
Amazing with all the crime going up and murders and shootings ridiculous numbers thru the roof and the big news article this morning is Judge says police need to be held acountable when they are testifying and allegedly it doesn't match a story given by defense. Hiwever, no word about why offenders are release all the time without being held accountable for their actions because lawfirms working together with judges...
Figures lie, and liars figure
02:03:00
You're wrong. The number 1 Captain's star was Fred O'Reilly, until he retired in 2004.
"Project Exile"
Re-purpose some of those old abandoned open-pit mines
out in the western states...
Every time dude is caught dirty?
5 to 10 in a half mile deep hole in the ground
with "prison loaf" 3x's a day and a one gallon
ration of tepid water.
No meat, no sweets, no snacks.
No weights either.
These shitbirds go in as Peetey Wheatstraw,
come out as a m/fer named "Tiny."
"Tiny" be nursin' a BIG grudge against the
polite society that demanded he be housed
for his anti-social behaviors.
"I gets down how I live m/fer!
Wat YOU do?"
Nobody gives "Tiny" a thought until he's
snatching somebody out of their car at gun-point
or bull-rushing the buzzy-door before it locks...
"EEEK!"
>Grin!<
Now... If enough decent people were of a
properly combative and unfriendly mindset,
"Tiny" would get his ass lit on fire.
When you're a "Tiny," the rest of everybody else
is a victim waiting to happen by your hands...
"GYAAHH!
You Cops are just mean and full of hatred!"
Anonymous said...
And its right back to making up PC for the stops. Sure we know they are shit heads, but the Law/Constitution says they actually have to do something that would make a reasonable person believe a crime has been, or will be, committed. A "uptick" over easier forms? Yeah, thats a good one.
Good thing I'm not a cynic cause if I was I'd think the Bosses are pressuring the serfs, most of all the young ones, to fucking come in with these things and to start seeing criminal activity. Or activity that is about to be committed.
Just wait until you get caught on video lieing about why you stopped Joe Shit head. Think Eddie will come to your rescue then?
5/06/2016 08:40:00 AM
I have the fortune of being young enough on the job to where the boss thinks I might buy his bs and agree with his numbers games but experienced enough, to know how to read and interpret basic constitutional and state laws myself. Which translates into him thinking I'm lazy and wanting to "motivate" me all the time. Why I haven't I tossed more cars?.....that funny probable cause thing keeps getting in the way. He thinks stops should go more like this:
Me: Excuse me Mr. Felon, hey guy..I know you have a valid license, proof of insurance, your car doesn't have a trace of weed in it and you probably hate the police but....you mind if I search your car so I can find something to bring in a head for? The boss would REALLY appreciate it.
Mr. Felon: Sure Mr. Policeman. You know it's not often that I'm this clean but hey...why not? It would be a pleasure to be hooked by a guy as nice as you. Hey! I'll even give you a freebie. There might be something in here worth felony Review's while (wink).
The End.
McCarthy was wrong....about everything. Never was there a man in charge that was so clueless about what he was in charge of. It is amazing that he was ever put here.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
(An uptick? Is that like a bedbug?)
One has to wonder why ANYONE would do an ISR for a Supt that most recently blasted the PO's who are writing the majority of those ISR's as Racists.
"Anonymous:...'My observations': Doing stops does discourage the gang members from carrying guns. That said you need to be stopping the right people and you have to stop them in the right way..."
—. You are absolutely correct. But I'm still seeing the Numbers Guys still trying to put that mystery gangway gun on dude and Sgts insisting that Dets charge the Fel UUW. There are just some stubborn idiots still out there that are living in the past. Don't make up tales just for a CB.
Stop No Man until the Anti-Police rhetoric ceases.
Stay Fetal-StaySafe.
5/06/2016 11:20:00 AM
Those "mysteries" and "horrible", numbers driven stops have helped seal the deal against cops. Growing up I had some family members who were always in trouble with the law, I mean always. I didn't believe any thing they told me. They were always set up and blah, blah, blah, blah....then I got jammed up on a false arrest with a complete lie of an arrest report. The case was dropped. My record was expunged. Years later I became a cop. I still have the arrest report in my basement somewhere. Every once in awhile I pull it out and shake my head in disbelief. I was a college student in the military with no arrest history...before or after...and my livelihood was completely gambled with like a game. I am the son of a cop, grew up with other cop's kids, and even disclosed the expunged arrest during my backgrounds. Even behind my back there was agreement that it was a bogus arrest. Initially, all the disbelief I had for my family members' arrests changed and I didn't trust the police, questioning everything they said. It took years later for me to come back around. My brother was jammed up too and he hates the police to this day. He grew up around the same kids I did and in the same household but his view of police is structurally fixed on what happened to us when he was 15. Sgt. Small (I'm sure he's retired) from 022, hope I run into you again so you can see the type of man you and your clowns locked up.
Deano should be meeting with the folks in Lincoln Park and Brookfield. Negotiate a merge of the unions and call it "United Zookeepers". Not glamorous but the job title would match the job description. Cruise down 63rd street in an MRAP twice a week, flinging slabs of raw meat in front of every storefront church. Dey knows how to share. Don't worry. Be happy.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
McCarthy was wrong....about everything. Never was there a man in charge that was so clueless about what he was in charge of. It is amazing that he was ever put here.
5/07/2016 10:10:00 AM
He said the magic words 'compstat' and 'broken windows' and Rahm being totally clueless, was dazzled.
Early on, Rahm told the media he thought McSilly was so innovative, citing the 'broken windows' theory when he interviewed for the job.
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