Tuesday, May 31, 2016

Rahm Bests Rauner on Pensions

  • Just days after Mayor Rahm Emanuel said Gov. Bruce Rauner told Chicago taxpayers to “take a hike,” Democrats delivered the same message to the governor.

    In a stunning move, the Illinois House on Monday voted 72-43 to override Rauner’s veto of the Chicago police and fire pension bill that had sparked a war of words between the Republican governor and Emanuel. The action came just hours after the Illinois Senate voted 39-19 to override the bill. It will now become law.
The final cost to taxpayers is still cloudy:
  • The bill passed in the House with the help of two Republicans who changed their votes from last year, an exceptionally unusual move in the often politically bitter Springfield political environment: Rep. David Harris, from Arlington Heights, and Rep. David McSweeney, Barrington Hills.

    On the House floor, Harris gave Emanuel credit for initiating a $500 million tax increase to pay pensions for the city’s police and firefighters.

    “The city is down right now. It’s taking its lumps . . . I don’t like to kick someone when they’re down,” Harris said. “I recognize that the idea of stretching out these payments is not good public policy. It isn’t.

    [...] After the override, Rauner released a statement, saying: “It’s unfortunate that the legislature voted again to allow the City of Chicago to borrow $843 million at an interest rate of 7.75% from their pensions, putting an additional $18.6 billion on the backs of taxpayers. Clearly, those who supported this measure haven’t recognized what happens when governments fail to promptly fund pension obligations. Instead of kicking the can down the road, local and state governments should instead focus on reforms that will grow our economy, create jobs and enable us live up to the promises we’ve made to police and firefighters.”
A lot of this is political smokescreens to conceal the true cost of adding decades to bring the pensions up to being properly funded (and we highly doubt this was, or is, intended)
  • Yes, the can is being kicked down the road;
  • Yes, it would be better to have the funding now, especially as the huge waves of retirees leaving the job right now are living longer and longer;
  • Yes, Rahm is going to steal every dime he can "defer" and spend it on politically expedient projects he can slap his name or any significant political contributors' names on;
  • No, Rahm and Madigan aren't going to cut a dime from the budget, even while adding billions more to the increasing debt
These goofs don't seem to notice the shrinking tax base and the impossibility of maintaining the charade much longer.

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42 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why did the Fop want the veto overturned ?

5/31/2016 12:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The poor bloody taxpayer is being raped again.

5/31/2016 12:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is the most despicable state in the Union. When is Madigan going to admit that he HIMSELF allowed the state to get where we are now ? When will the stupid voters in Illinois revolt ?

5/31/2016 12:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I plan on voting against my rep and state Sen. I don't know what FOP was thinking backing the bill. The city is on a slow spiral down ward. I'm leaving and everyone I know is leaving. Money in the bank is always better than money promised.

5/31/2016 12:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yea well Dean and the local 2 guy are smoking dope it should be EVIDENT NOW that these tools had no intention of building a casino, the prime location short stub wants for his ego buddy Lucas and the Star Wars museum, and short stub other site was McCormick place so where is the casino going Dean???? Sounds like Harold Brown and retired PO Association was right,

5/31/2016 12:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Heartless Taxpayer said...

OK, so that is how the dice finally rolled in Springfield.

What is FOP going to do? Where is FOP? Are they all back from vacation yet?

Wouldn't you think the FOP would be raising Hell on this lack of action? It definitely weakens an already weak Pension Fund.

Bueller??..............Dean?.............Dean?.....crickets

5/31/2016 12:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not sure my comments would get past the SCC censors, but suffice it to say it would have included politicians, hot metal pokers, insertion, and slow, painful deaths.

5/31/2016 01:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kick the can. Skip the pension payments. Let the next generation pay for it. That's the Daley/Madigan way.

5/31/2016 01:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One can only hope that both will see the light in prison.....

5/31/2016 01:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They said on the news that lodge 7 and local firefighters union supported this and actually negotiated this. Why the fuck would we support this Dean!!!! You fucking mole

5/31/2016 03:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rahm may have won, but the pensioners are the ones that will lose.

5/31/2016 03:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Ghost of Policeman Past said...

This city and state are really fucked! A big fuck you to all the politicians who voted for this!!

5/31/2016 03:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WE as taxpaying public servants whether working for the police, fire or teachers union should let our displeasure speak in the form of remembering the politicians who voted to veto this bill and vote them out of office come election time. Mayor Emmanuel doesn't give a damn what happens to us and the worst part is that OUR pensions are now in jeopardy. I remember 20 years ago when United Airlines had to restructure and reduce the pension for its retirees where many had their pension reduced by 55-75%. Can you imagine working 29 and a day, getting a pension of about $6000 then all of the sudden it gets reduced to $3000 because the city can't afford it. Mayor Emmanuel has managed to do the same thing that DALEY did and that is kick the can down the road. WHy are we then giving DALEY and some ALDERMAN bodyguard protection, these goofs make enough money to get their own security? WE have a Governor whose solution to the whole pension crisis is for the state to file bankruptcy then what will happen to our pensions. We sacrifice so much as public servants only like to have ASSHOLE POLITICIANS negotiate our right and benefits away. I guess the concept of not having our benefits diminished is just an out of date concept. But it's so funny how the Mayor can find money out of nowhere for his stupid projects

5/31/2016 05:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dean will do whatever the mayor wants. Its about him and his kid, not us!

5/31/2016 05:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rahm's kicking that can down the road like Kevin Butler used to boot field goals.

5/31/2016 07:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dean it's on you, what did you agree to? Or did rahm lie? Your a disgrace you really need to resign did you sell everyone's soul for 50 pieces of silver? Explain dean not later but today! Bruce was making the pension whole and now this! Greg Bella what say you? Crickets again!

5/31/2016 07:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They are kicking the can down the road, because they want to use the money to take care of themselves and friends. The money will never be paid because Chicago will follow Detroit and file bankruptcy. Everyone's pensions will be reduced by 50%.

5/31/2016 07:35:00 AM  
Blogger john said...

Do not post very often as I am retired. In 2008 or so stated that the fund would be belly up around 2022. Had a lot of negative responses. After this " guaranteed" money legislation was voted in, I stated it would never happen. It did not. Funny about the Republicans that voted with the Dems- that guy McCauliffe (?) from the northwest side of chicago where all the police and fire live, that guy should pay for his vote.

old retired guy

By the way , whomever is the city treasurer shows some sense , his comments about the funds suing the banks that sold them worthless investments makes sense- been done by other pension funds.

5/31/2016 08:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rahm, Madigan and company know they will be long gone by the time this check gets cashed.

5/31/2016 08:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought in 2011 the deal was Tier II in exchange (consideration) for funding in 2016 to our pensions? I thought this was ironclad? Done deal? And now we have Tier II and funding put off another 5 years? What's going to change in 5 years? How was FOP for this?

5/31/2016 09:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yet 1/2 of you will not revolt at work in any way. You will continue to do your parkers and movers to get your damn VRI or so you will not get dumped off of your day spot or your precious park car.

5/31/2016 09:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First off bankruptcy does not relieve the city of paying are full pension. Secondly ask Dean about his name being brought up and recorded in Council Chamber minutes about him being chancellor of city colleges.

5/31/2016 09:45:00 AM  
Blogger The Keesing Bandit said...

If Deano supported this, he needs a good ass whupping.

5/31/2016 09:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pension money runs out then money gets paid via city's operating budget that's not feasible anymore then it's paid via vouchers. It happened during great depression where teachers got vouchers. Bankruptcy does not change it.

5/31/2016 09:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But it's so funny how the Mayor can find money out of nowhere for his stupid projects
5/31/2016 05:29:00 AM


There's nothing funny, neither humorous nor strange, about it.

Pure thievery.

And that ain't no joke.

5/31/2016 10:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This city and state are really fucked! A big fuck you to all the politicians who voted for this!!
5/31/2016 03:12:00 AM


A huge fuck you to all the voters, living, dead, long dead, and illegal, who keep reflecting these thieving, assfucking, cocksuckers......

5/31/2016 10:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When is Madigan going to admit that he HIMSELF allowed the state to get where we are now ? When will the stupid voters in Illinois revolt ?
5/31/2016 12:28:00 AM


1. Madigan didn't 'allow' this, he orchestrated it, as he's been doing his entire feckless career.

2. The voters are revolting, as in retarded, not exactly 'stupid', since they get their meager 'benefits' as cheap payment for their oh so precious 'vote'.

3. And then there are the hogs, licking the puckerholes of the duly elected connivers, for an ample squirt of taxpayers bounty.

Orwell called it, Animal Farm wasn't just about communism.

5/31/2016 10:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why did the Fop want the veto overturned ?
5/31/2016 12:22:00 AM



Loaded question, with a plugged barrel.

Anyone gonna pull the trigger?

5/31/2016 10:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
........When is Madigan going to admit that he HIMSELF allowed the state to get where we are now ?

___________________________

What have you been smoking, or are you just plain crazy? Madigan will never admit to anything. No member of the Combine is ever going to admit that.

5/31/2016 12:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

(OT) then over here rahm throws 2 more million of taxpayers money away all so he refuses to testify:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-whistleblower-cops-code-of-silence-trial-met-20160530-story.html

Guess rahm lied about code of silence rahm you discovered it doesn't exist, how about your and the 50 ongoing "code of stupidity?"

5/31/2016 01:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cling, cling, cling, cling, cling. That's the sound of that can being kicked down the road. But gee whiz the City can get a loan at 8% for another short term band-aid. Is anyone else waiting for that clang sound when nobody will loan the money at any jacked up rate?

5/31/2016 01:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What the hell did Rahm have on, or give to those downstate politicians to make them change their votes? Or did they just want to screw with Rauner?


Isn't this something that will be declared unconstitutional by the Illinois Supreme Court like other pension theft measures?

That is IF, our "union" takes them to court in time and pus up a good fight.

What is Dean gonna do?

5/31/2016 03:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The one thing Rahm does not say, nor does the media ask is where is the money to fund the pension coming from? Rahm has bought some time to avoid raising the property tax now, but only a fool would believe that it will not be raised sometime in the future on the few remaining taxpayers left in the city.

5/31/2016 04:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Okay this is for Dean, Greg and anyone else on the FOP board to respond,
Set us straight was this bill good for us ? It seems to smell of the same past practice of letting the city off the hook on current payments and for extensions and then what monies are set aside for us? what casino? not built! property taxes? did that already! more taxes on what? bigger contributions for us? Seems Rauner might of had it right to make the city realize its debts and pay them not put it off again and Dean's scare tactics to us if we don't pass this bill they can put the monies somewhere else! Well guess what that's going to happen anyways. Set us straight boys and let us know how this helps us and our pension? From last count of my memory this year one payment of $220 ml was deposited and $170 ml held in treasurers account what should the city owe the fund now by the end of the year (anyone) Answer?

5/31/2016 05:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The smug look on Rahm's face on the cover of the Sun Times says it all.
Rahm just got over on both the pensioners and the taxpayers. I'll bet he's got a chubby.
There's a special place in hell for weasels like Rahm.

5/31/2016 05:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When is the casino going to open?

5/31/2016 06:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Why did the Fop want the veto overturned ?
5/31/2016 12:22:00 AM



Loaded question, with a plugged barrel.

Anyone gonna pull the trigger?

5/31/2016 10:51:00 AM

A flag sticking out the barrel reads:
>BANG!<

5/31/2016 06:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tad a dean put this on FOP website:

http://www.chicagofop.org/news/senate-bill-777

This is from today and it means what dean?

5/31/2016 10:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"What the hell did Rahm have on, or give to those downstate politicians to make them change their votes? Or did they just want to screw with Rauner?"

It was reported, Cullerton held the vote on this for a year, or so.

My take is, that was so they could get enough on board, motivated by beeks getting wetted with money, trips, favors, etc. from the bankers that are doing the loan deal.

They all get the money up front, while the taxpayer, police and fire get shorted.

The people who created this clusterfark (Madigan & Co) are never going to fix it.

They're going to bust this state out just like the restaurant was busted out in tye movie Goodfellas. And, when they've stole everything, Madigan and the rest will drop this place like a used rubber and head to their mansions in FL.

Rauner tried.

There is already a stampede out of this state, it just got worse.

-Citizen

5/31/2016 10:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

max out your 401k!!!!!!!!!

6/01/2016 07:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe O'Rahma's problem with the pension is psychological (perhaps even . . . gasp! Freudian) in nature. The hidden meanings of words can (sometimes) be revealed by anagrams. Everyone who has made the snide asides about the Mayor's manliness has been vindicated! PENSION is an anagram for NO PENIS!




6/02/2016 04:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't get how this post isn't blowing up with questions about this bill and our pension? How did we win with a reduced payment and more extensions for the city on what is owed the fund. And what the hell is for the first time ever a designated and exclusive source of funding? (Quoting the FOP response verbatim), is that the phantom casino or the property tax that hasn't even started getting deposited yet? We need payments to the fund to keep it solvent boys and girls, pay attention this is our future the political hacks our playing with

6/02/2016 09:28:00 PM  

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