Tribune Telegraphs '17 Negotiations
- In Chicago, police officers rarely pay for their misconduct. Taxpayers do.
Again and again, cops accused of abusing civilians have gotten a pass from the police oversight system and the state's attorney's office. They're back on the street, with nary a blemish on their records, while their victims collect millions in civil damages from the city.
That's largely because the contracts between the city and its police unions are loaded with provisions that shield bad cops from accountability. An officer involved in a shooting has 24 hours to coordinate stories with others at the scene before giving a statement, for example — and can amend that statement later after viewing video of the shooting. Disciplinary records older than five years are supposed to be destroyed. Anonymous complaints against an officer are disregarded. Findings of misconduct that don't result in significant punishment are purged from an officer's record. Investigators are absurdly constrained in how they may question an officer: "The primary interrogator will not ask any questions until the secondary interrogator has finished asking questions and invites the primary interrogator to ask follow-up questions …" That's not about due process; it's about tying the hands of investigators or generating a technical violation that could get a complaint tossed.
Obviously these goofs have no idea how an hostile interrogation goes - especially when transcribed by a court reporter. It's a trick regularly used by plaintiff attorneys:
- The lawyer will ask a question, then a quick follow-up (sometimes a "question-within-a-question) without allowing a pause so that the witness can give a proper and lucid response to the first question that they heard. In open court, a judge or a smart defense attorney will make the attorney wait for an answer. Or make him break it down into a series of questions, each asked and answered in sequence. But when typed out, court reporters can't document that fast, things get garbled, answers to a first question get lost in the cross-talk as the witness attempts to answer while the lawyer has asked a second question, which usually has a completely different answer, often contradicting the first answer.
We've had it done to us.
All that phrase means is that one person does the questioning at one time so as not to confuse the issue.What's truly sad, and unsaid by the Tribune, is that the FOP felt it necessary in years past to actually have to codify this into Contract language because of how badly cops were getting screwed. You aren't getting a Rules violation tossed on a "technicality." This isn't a Criminal Court - this is an Administrative proceeding that could cost you your job and there damn well better be rules in place to protect you from the City's efforts to fuck you.
- The collective bargaining agreements allow rogue officers to run amok, out of reach of the department's disciplinary bodies or the criminal justice system. Both sides know those protections must be scrubbed from the contracts when they expire next year. But guess what? The head of the city's largest police union wants taxpayers to pay for that, too.
Really? The FOP and Dean Angelo "know those protections must be scrubbed from the contract..." Dean, you "know" this? Because it sure seems like the Tribune just slandered you, or massively jeopardized your chances for re-election by putting that "thought" into your sphere of knowledge.
Then the article has the nerve to allege that police "cost" the city money in terms of payouts when it's the city that refuses to fight lawsuits. Under J-Fled, payouts dried up - they were minimal. When Rahm was elected, he did away with fighting obviously frivolous lawsuits because (surprise!) the plaintiff attorneys were kicking back to his campaign. The city wanted to settle with Anthony Porter, but as Martin Prieb has documented many times over, the involved detectives fought the case...and won. The city has paid out time and time again to cases that don't pass the laugh test. That $500 million tab would be less than $200 million if the city fought some of these cases.
And the "code of silence" crap? That's Rahm opening his yapper and saying the wrong thing. And with his "merit" supervisors fucking up nine ways to Sunday and costing the city money because (A) the cheating clowns don't know the job and (B) you put them in positions where their stupidity comes to the fore. How long until Nakia or Davina or Maryet cost the city a few hundred thousand (or millions) for declaring something to be so, in direct contradiction of an Order, an Ordinance or a Law? We give it a year or two and someone will be getting paid "Marianne Perry money" like ten or fifteen years ago.
And finally, the McDonald video. The Tribune is outright lying describing the investigation, about "coordinating" stories and "closing ranks." No one in the media has seen the reports, but we know people who have and guess what? They don't match, they aren't "one story," there is no "coordinating."
You know why?
Because half-a-dozen cops, from half-a-dozen vantage points, are going to have half-a-dozen differing versions of the event! No one is watching the same thing and everyone has a different vantage point from which to recall events as they unfolded. You can't coordinate that.
But you can coordinate suppressing a video for fourteen months to win an election. That chain of events can be pretty simple to prove - cops uploaded video from the car, anyone viewing it has to log into the system, anyone burning a copy has to log into the system. And at some point, the copy (copies) are forwarded to either the States Attorney or Corp Counsel - those dates are recorded somewhere when the Detectives "call it in." And then it sat for a period of time until a judge compelled its release - after an election, if you can believe that.
That isn't a "code of silence" among cops - that's a "conspiracy" among political actors.
Then the article has the nerve to allege that police "cost" the city money in terms of payouts when it's the city that refuses to fight lawsuits. Under J-Fled, payouts dried up - they were minimal. When Rahm was elected, he did away with fighting obviously frivolous lawsuits because (surprise!) the plaintiff attorneys were kicking back to his campaign. The city wanted to settle with Anthony Porter, but as Martin Prieb has documented many times over, the involved detectives fought the case...and won. The city has paid out time and time again to cases that don't pass the laugh test. That $500 million tab would be less than $200 million if the city fought some of these cases.
And the "code of silence" crap? That's Rahm opening his yapper and saying the wrong thing. And with his "merit" supervisors fucking up nine ways to Sunday and costing the city money because (A) the cheating clowns don't know the job and (B) you put them in positions where their stupidity comes to the fore. How long until Nakia or Davina or Maryet cost the city a few hundred thousand (or millions) for declaring something to be so, in direct contradiction of an Order, an Ordinance or a Law? We give it a year or two and someone will be getting paid "Marianne Perry money" like ten or fifteen years ago.
And finally, the McDonald video. The Tribune is outright lying describing the investigation, about "coordinating" stories and "closing ranks." No one in the media has seen the reports, but we know people who have and guess what? They don't match, they aren't "one story," there is no "coordinating."
You know why?
Because half-a-dozen cops, from half-a-dozen vantage points, are going to have half-a-dozen differing versions of the event! No one is watching the same thing and everyone has a different vantage point from which to recall events as they unfolded. You can't coordinate that.
But you can coordinate suppressing a video for fourteen months to win an election. That chain of events can be pretty simple to prove - cops uploaded video from the car, anyone viewing it has to log into the system, anyone burning a copy has to log into the system. And at some point, the copy (copies) are forwarded to either the States Attorney or Corp Counsel - those dates are recorded somewhere when the Detectives "call it in." And then it sat for a period of time until a judge compelled its release - after an election, if you can believe that.
That isn't a "code of silence" among cops - that's a "conspiracy" among political actors.
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Dear tribune writers, you couldn't find a real story if your lives depended on it. Your twisted and misinformed versions of the truth are ridiculous. Pravda and the North Korean press have more credibility than you idiots. Your backs must be very sore for carry on all that water for the leftist politicos. I hope you are the victims of some roving pack of urban predators, and, should you survive, make sure you call someone other than the police to take care of your problems. Incompetent fuckwads,
Spot on. Stop worrying about residency and start worrying about protection.
You need to protect yourselves whether under ideal work conditions or adversary work conditions by knowing the law, the orders, and municipal code. If told/ordered to do something that is in violation of the law, orders, R&R or municipal code either refuse to comply or document what you were told, either in a report or other retrievable document. Don't forget to cite who told/ordered you to violate the law, orders, R&R or municipal code.
The war on cops will not end until the liberals/progressive and the community activists defang the police to the point of being nothing more than report writers.
Do what needs to be done so disciplinary action is not initiated against you. Don't give the bastards a reason to write you up. Rules 1, 2, and 14 can get you fired. Living outside the city is guaranteed to get you terminated.
The community is about to get the police department it has always wanted, and the politicians, liberals/progressives, media, DOJ, ACLU, and community activists will only be too willing to help to accomplish that long sought after agenda.
First of all, the code of silence thing is a myth. Coppers gossip so much, especially the dream team 6 1/2 month wonders with juice.
Secondly, fetality, if a word or if not, is an understatement, if whatever, if any, contract protections are scrubbed.
Thirdly, watch out for the company sgt, no friend of officer friendly....bring in multiple zeros instead of just one big fat one.
We need alot more coppers to get stripped for b.s. so that EVERYONE can finally get the hint, come together and remain FETAL.
BRAVO SCC well done best yet!!
SCC with the mic-drop,
a "deez nutz" and a walk-away
like a m/fing BOSS!
The Fibune?
Knee-Walking, pantyless,
shameless cheerleaders for Rahm.
"YAAAAYYYY TEAM RAHM!"
>Cartwheel!<
Ugh!
How about a trim and a power-wash?
Filthy, stinking, shameless whores.
We were really hoping the Koch Bros.
would buy that dying rag and turn every
cheap and tawdry journalistic butt-slut
and THEIR families out onto the streets.
Their reward should be a cardboard box encampment
along the banks of the South Branch and having to
chase river rats to pad their pork n' beans with.
You know...
Just like they want to see Policemen and THEIR
families reduced to.
The fibune overplayed this hand while trying to come
off as a voice of reason and moderation.
This shit HAS gotten personal as they have
dropped any pretense of journalistic objectivity
a LONG fucking time ago.
The equivalent of someone yanking a man's beard
to spit in his eye and fully expecting him NOT to knock their jaw
through the back of their head in response.
"Who ordered a Left Cross?"
What the Fibune is pushing for is nothing
short of liberal revenge fantasy against
The Police for being The Police.
Imagine the screaming from the Fibune
press room if THEY were were being
"targeted" for "reforms" in the same
vengeful manner as CPD is?
The majority of these dirty, sissy weasel cock-suckers leading
cheer for this nonsense DON'T actually LIVE
in Chicago any-fucking-way but they put on
a great show of "civic concern."
Fucking Hypocrites.
As a slight aside, how is the pending
litigation shit-show regarding the hanky-panky
with the now discredited Innocence Project and the Medill School shaping up?
A lot of smug "journalist" asses should be
sued into poverty then taken away to rot alive
in federal custody never to breath the air of
free men again.
You know...
The same punishment they want to see
Policemen subjected to.
It's fucked up when the pandered-to societal
sub-set continues to have the air and opportunity to perform
astounding, eye-watering feats of ritualized violence
while the rest of everybody else is applauding the fact
that The Police and Policing itself have been driven
into a corner in this town...
"If you Cops weren't so, so, well...
YOU KNOW... Things wouldn't be this bad
in Chicago!"
Since The Police are alleged to be the problem?
Then The Police should work very strategically.
Police Like You Have NO Friends.
Hey, FOP.
You've proven that The Police
can "take it."
How about proving that The Police
can punch back REALLY hard?
Or is the one sided non-aggression pact
still in effect?
Oh, sorry...
What are we thinking?
Doctuh Dean doesn't have
a "Monster Mode" for when
shit gets really ugly.
Like now with what the Fibune is advocating...
Peeling away due process and contractual
protections from The Police are NOT the panacea
the Fibune is misrepresenting such to be.
Simple-minded m/fers.
Try not to strain and shit yourselves as to
the ACTUAL REASONS WHY those protections were instituted
in the first damned place.
Everything else is nothing but
City Hall orchestrated bullshit and distraction.
On the money once again SCC. You good people outdid yourselves his topic every sworn on CPD should read twice. Rahm is going to hell and loves dropping tall $$$ in the ghetto lottery. His pals, doing the law suits love this guy. Richie Daley hated paying the mutts for shit cases and threw a bone out once in awhile. Jody say 99 % of cases filled were total bull shit and the corporation counsel told the lawyers to pound sand. Daley and his father controlled all the make believe rev' and threw them a bone to stfu. Now the rev' see big ass bucks for a slap in the face allegation by a worthless banger that only breeds and eats on our dime.
FOP fucked the blue shirts and Dean needs to be sitting at the defendant table with Rahm. This November and the election of the right person will have Rahm fleeing the country and Dean being his bell hop.
All you copper' on the street or are house mice, start telling everyone that are the police or not to read this number # 1 news source.
Too bad North side stays mute now with his insight of current affairs. An author who knows the game this city plays.
Ever hear a swarm of reporters and reporterettes badger a victim?
This is exactly how they operate.
You can't even get coppers to agree on where to have lunch, let alone concoct and stick to some cockamamie story. Exactly who concocts it? Exactly who agrees to it, and then sticks to it? Simple answer--nobody. Except maybe supervisors, who have the luxury of retreating to offices in secret, to cover their white (shirt) asses.
THANK YOU SCC!! YOU ARE DEAD ON HERE!!! (and yes I am yelling)
With this article the Tribune comes out of the closet as the political tool is has become. It is apparent. It is disgraceful. There is no integrity there.
Well then I guess the disclaimer will be done away with. If your going to take my protections away you can't order me to say a damn thing without a attorney.
I just took the "Fib" from the birds cage. It's not good enough for Tweety to shit on.
The author said this:
"We've had it done to us."
What did he mean? Is he a criminal? Biased against police? Is he a felon? Why would anyone care that a law breaker complains about law enforcement?
Excellent post. Accurate assessment of the trash article and of the environment.
What I don't understand is why we still need court reporters when there is videotaping available. If the official court record were an actual videotape, the tape can be transcribed later (and with their time to get every word and nuance correctly) so there is a paper record. Why we still have court reporters in the digital age is beyond me.
The real problem with the Chicago Police department starts at the top . Politics and cronyism . Juice , Chinaman , and phone call are new words put into your vocabulary . Who is your clout ? It start before you enter the academy and how you were selected . Once in the academy you are placed in "certain home rooms " to make your experience much better .
Promotion exams are an absolute joke . When reverends and business visit regularly with the Superintendent who instant picked by the Mayor to ensure their choices are selected . Recently the Ex - Superintendents daughter was made a meritorious sergeant
Her father was a Commander in the 6th District and the Johnson worked
As a sergeant there .
There is a " code of silence " in promotion exams. It's a fear of speaking out and being cast as a rat . In 2002
Allegations swept through the department that the Superintendent's son had a copy of Police Sergeant Examination # 32014 Assessment Exercise . All but one member of his tactical team were promoted after scoring in the top one hundred . The superintendent s kid was them meritoriously promoted to Lie tenant . But who do you complain to ? The superintendent ? You have twenty years left to work and what's amazing is that the cheaters don't get charged but you do . So it's ok to cheat it's the Chicago way . Nothing is gonna happen to the cheaters on the past test which is obvious after one of the ring leaders was given an award . U wanna start go to the top and start . Start going to meetings and elect members who represent you . Find out what's going on in your Union . It's sad that our union has never spoke up for us bout you get what you deserve !!!!!!
>>In Chicago, police officers rarely pay for their misconduct. Taxpayers do.... Just to comment on a comment, what strikes me about this is the internal contradiction. Because the officer is acting as an agent of the city, if the officer is guilty of misconduct then the city is guilty of having him on their team. So, how do you fight a lawsuit that holds the city guilty when the city blames its own agents? The thinking here is that maybe you can not. Maybe that is why they settle so easy. The higher ups wanting to push the blame on the lower guys end up being locked into blaming their own institution. The losers in the process are good law enforcement, cops who do not go fetal, and the general public that has to live with the mess created by a few powerful people who focus on shielding themselves from criticism or blame.
"both sides know this needs to be scrubbed form the contract...."
Oh well, tell them our side knows residency must be struck from the contract then and watch what happens.........
Do we still have to blow administratively ? Anyone know?
I did a little research yesterday. What I found is the Chicago (I believe) case of People v. Carey (2008). In that case the cop fucked up bad. He was drunk and he chased a guy with his gun drawn. The guy he was chasing ran up to an on duty cop and the drunk cop followed behind with his gun drawn. Stupid. The cop got arrested for the agg assault. ( I forgot to mention the cop had just gotten out of his car - the chase involved vehicles). The cop refused a breathalizer, as is the right of any citizen. He was approached later by a Sgt., who, I assume, was from IAD, who gave him his administrative rights. The cop blew at that point, administratively. In the administrative rights that were read to him, it said the results could not be used criminally. The trial court attempted to use the breathalizer results in the criminal trial, but the judge would not allow it. The breathalizer results were suppressed. The state appealed. The Appellate court looked at a 1975 case (people V. Todd if you care), and found that 11-501 of the Illinois Vehicle Code at that time expressly prohibited "evidentiary use of blood obtained without the defendant's consent." (blood, not breath but same thing really). That was right in the DUI statute. Case closed right? No, not at all. The Appellate court looked at a 1966 SCOTUS case which ruled that taking a blood sample without consent is a reasonable search. I have no idea how SCOTUS precedent can trump the Illinois statute. And anyway, in 1982 the Illinois Vehicle Code language was changed so that CONSENT WAS NOT required. So the courts do not look at this as compulsory self-incrimination under the 5th Amendment, they look at is as a reasonable search under the 4th amendment.
so......here's the deal.....the media and the liberals are so anti-police, that....if and when someone calls 911, the response is,,,,, we're not coming.....that's right!...you are on your own!......hah!.....don't fund our pensions, criticize us for every action we take, make us wear cameras.....help yourself now, you just got the law enforcement you wanted, and the police you deserve
Code of silence of police officers my ass. What about the huge code of silence in the Mayors office unless he wants to throw a few cops under the bus.
The tribune editorial staff are the most incompetent circle-jerk of leftist and subversive PC assholes this side of Pyongyang, too stupid to realize the pendulum is swinging back to sanity with the popularity of Trump. Which is why they give voice to every anti Trump article written by fellow pinko's at bloomberg, nyt. etc. When Trump takes the DOJ away from the current bunch of subversives, perhaps an eye can be cast towards their books, etc. If nothing is found, so what? they will have to pay a fortune to defend themselves from any investigation, and it won't be good for their meager bottom line. Payback is a bitch.
Psst, hey Tribune here's a tip to investigate and castigate in your Editorial Opinion page.
(TIP)
*There are lots of murders in Chicago. (Again and again, offenders accused of abusing civilians have gotten a pass from the court oversight system and the state's attorney's office. )
*Many of the murderers are repeat offenders oftentimes out on early release from past crimes. (They're back on the street, with nary a blemish on their records, while their victims are dead, collecting nothing in civil damages from the city)
*There is a known and accepted on going conspiracy with these gang offenders.(That's largely because the contracts between the co-conspirators and these offenders are loaded with provisions that shield bad co-conspirators from accountability)
*After an exchange of money they work together to conspire to withhold known evidence and personal incriminating confessions. (That's not about due process; it's about tying the hands of police or generating a technical violation that could get a complaint tossed)
*This is the "Ultimate Code of Silence"
(REVEAL)
*It's called, "Lawyer Client Privilege"
(LEGALESE)
Tribune Plagiarism (revealed)
If we, the evil police, are so horrible, then take away residency so I can move to the burbs.
I'm surprised that the fibune isn't demanding that police give up time and a half over time. The peons should work OT for hour for hour comp time with a cap of 76 hours. Loose all comp time after furlos and baby furlos. Your OT crisis is solved!
Anonymous
FOP fucked the blue shirts and Dean needs to be sitting at the defendant table with Rahm. This November and the election of the right person will have Rahm fleeing the country and Dean being his bell hop.
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How do you come up with such BULLSHIT?
Lady's and gentlemen do not let a poster with an agenda fill your brain with this dribble.
Go to meetings. Ask questions. If your afraid of making a fool at the mic don't worry. Every meeting they have nuts from 3, 14, 16 and 25 who will do that for comic relief.
If you cant's go to a meeting watch the video replay of the meeting. But you can't ask the screen a question.
Ask your unit rep for monthly updates. If a problem comes up THEY should call the call and get the answer.
If your unit rep is a lazy POS that only wants his dues money back at the end of the year get a new unit rep.
Nice
I remember being told in the academy, wait 5 seconds before answering a question in court. 1) to get your thoughts together, and 2), give the state or the judge the opportunity to object.
They will say anything to try to get readers for their broken down company... the Tribune is at its lifeline and has nothing better then to jump on the band wagon and try to put some type of nonsense story for the remaining folks to buy there product. Poor, horrible, Journalism if you want to call it that at its best!!!!
You would think with all the blood bath and carnage on the streets of Chicago the Tribune will be focusing more on shedding more light on crime then trying to create some myth about cop code of silence. Hey idiots how about the streets code of silence when are you going to keep bashing on the NO SNITCHING POLICY day in day out!!!!
Dean sold out his memebers now the politicians are giving him a dose of his own medicine
I want to thank you for speaking the truth of what goes on within our police department, city officials and judicial system. I hope some of these entities read the scc blog and learn. The truth has been spoken Rahm, Anita and Evans. Now be gone with yourself. BYE FELICIA!
A concerned P.O.
Rahm kicks the can on pensions -- with the help of FLOP!! No funding source. No casino. And you are worried about discipline? You need to rethink your priorities.
Step up Deano. Now!
Scc great narrative.
DEAN isn't the greatest Prez at Lodge 7 but the media really does not want to hear from him.
His answer are rehearsed and boring. The internet hates boring.
Some body at the lodge (hint hint those bloated committees) need to pull the ancient cases of when officer were treated like slaves and were at the will of each alderman.
But again that would mean committee members, who are mostly retired officers would actually have to work instead of eating steaks. Have some pride old timers we know the contract does not affect your life in anyway but you have been elected so be it.
These tribune drivers are the worst. Start by writing them for every violation you see. U turns and parking on wrong side of street. The message will get out to leave the PO's alone. In the mean time stay fetal.
(OT) then you look at page 14 in today's Suntimes where a copper and her partner are being fired for perjury "the camera in car picked up a conversation the officer had on her cellphone with her sergeant" so no privacy in police vehicles on your cellphone! Be extremely careful talking to your partners or family we obviously have no right to privacy! Stay fetal stay quiet silence is golden!
Where is the outrage for that poor woman chased onto L.S.D. by a roving pack of hyenas posing as humans? There is an actual photo of these young sewer rats and no one comes forward... That could have happened to ANYONE. This wasnt some gangbanger on gangbanger crime. Shitbird on shitbird. This was some poor lady on a date!!! imagine any of us, walking with a date and set upon for no reason other than a couple bucks,a phone or possibly her. The terror that poor lady faced. Run into traffic that is traveling 35-40 mph, or deal with a pack of subhumans. Where is B.L.M.? Where is the boy loving priest ? Where is Al? Why isnt this the top news story? No gun, not police related than its not sexy enough. Cmon Mr. Mayor support your police. Get rid of the agreement. Its time
Time and time again I see coppers trying to not seem like assholes. they'll cooperate or give info to a flirtatious, cute tv reporter. DON'T!!!
That's part of their deal, they pretend to be your friend and the they'll fuck you over. DNAinfo is very good at it.
THE MEDIA IN THIS TOWN IS FAR FROM BEING YOUR FRIEND.
Refer every question to news affairs, no matter how innocuous it seems. Make them work for the story. I love seeing and hearing the frustration as I say "call news affairs. you need their direct line? I'm sorry, I don't have my book, call the city switchboard and they
will put you through.
With about 80% of Chitcago voters registered Dumacrats what do you expect the Fibune to spew. Dumacrats can't handle the truth. Led around like puppets on a string by the digitally challenged midget Mayor and the rest of the community organizing bloodsuckers feeding off the taxpayers dime. Accountability for others. Never any accountability for those responsible. Nothing to see here. Keep the line moving.
The Tribune is getting as bad as DNAInfo. I automatically tune out anyone who begins a sentence with "I read in the newspaper that..."
Off Topic
2 million settlement for 2 officers who were treated hostile by CPD after catching Sgt and officers in narcotics shaking down drug dealers.
Is this Department just goofy or stupid?
WHO in their right minds would want this job let alone bring allegations
of misconduct to IAD or Feds?
The chicago media, bought and paid for since 1989.
With this article the Tribune comes out of the closet as the political tool is has become. It is apparent. It is disgraceful. There is no integrity there.
Cut them some slack, they just got out of bankruptcy and a real company wants to make them a subdivision of theirs
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-whistleblower-cops-code-of-silence-trial-met-20160530-story.html
And brought to you by none other than the fainting calculator boy 019 Co.
Sounds like we going to Arbitration already! Fuck Off Tribune!
More should be made of the drop in law suits when they are contested - the amount of the payouts is not the fault of the cops but of the City's law Office. They should be investigated. No wonder JFled didn't last long.
hey ssc off topic but please print special thanks to two fine American actors garry sinise n joe montegna for hosting the national memorial day concert held in dc on 30may16 I had to work but recorded the show and as a non clouted working po n an Iraq vet it was an excellent tribute to the men n women in the armed services n to all you clouted po who never served as always a big f-ckyou
EDISON PARK ROCKS
Maybe the Tribune should focus on the amount of wasteful spending the mayor and the city council spends on rediculous programs and handouts to people who take it and spend their day drinking, getting high, standing on corners and causing problems instead of looking for a job. What a disgrace. This is the best time for a Republican to step up and challenge Rahm. Its so crazy that these idiot voters keep voting for the same trash and watch them continuously drive the city deeper into the gutter.
Dean must dig in and not budge...... fuck this rotten city and " the community".
O.T.
During a presser Eddie Johnson talked of restoring trust in the department and said, "I can tell you this: Any type of inappropriate behavior simply will not be tolerated."
Hey Eddie I'm quite sure your fiancé Nakia cheating and scamming on the Lie-Tenats test would be considered "inappropriate behavior" by most people's standards.
So, Eddie, what are you going to do about that??
It isn't the contract that protects police from frivolous claims, it is the constitution of the United States. Police are citizens and we have the same rights under God. These rights can't be removed by newspaper writers.
If you worked for the Tribune, you would have to fear that you would be laid off by age 45. Your pathetic buyout would be the last dollar you would see in journalism. No pension.
Then, you have to wonder if the Tribune will be out of business in three years. Would you want to work there?
Mark konkel won a Pulitzer and left the Sun Times. He got a job with something called dnainfo? Really? What is that about? Is that what you get for working in journalism these days? How fucked up is this industry? What dies dnainfo pay? Pension? Benefits?
Good job! 2 coppers in the shit house, their sgt on extended IOD, and the Lt retired and second in command of another department. Clout clout clout.
It's so refreshing to watch Trump put so many reporter's in check.
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Do we still have to blow administratively ? Anyone know?
I did a little research yesterday. What I found is the Chicago (I believe) case of People v. Carey (2008). In that case the cop fucked up bad. He was drunk and he chased a guy with his gun drawn. The guy he was chasing ran up to an on duty cop and the drunk cop followed behind with his gun drawn. Stupid. The cop got arrested for the agg assault. ( I forgot to mention the cop had just gotten out of his car - the chase involved vehicles). The cop refused a breathalizer, as is the right of any citizen. He was approached later by a Sgt., who, I assume, was from IAD, who gave him his administrative rights. The cop blew at that point, administratively. In the administrative rights that were read to him, it said the results could not be used criminally. The trial court attempted to use the breathalizer results in the criminal trial, but the judge would not allow it. The breathalizer results were suppressed. The state appealed. The Appellate court looked at a 1975 case (people V. Todd if you care), and found that 11-501 of the Illinois Vehicle Code at that time expressly prohibited "evidentiary use of blood obtained without the defendant's consent." (blood, not breath but same thing really). That was right in the DUI statute. Case closed right? No, not at all. The Appellate court looked at a 1966 SCOTUS case which ruled that taking a blood sample without consent is a reasonable search. I have no idea how SCOTUS precedent can trump the Illinois statute. And anyway, in 1982 the Illinois Vehicle Code language was changed so that CONSENT WAS NOT required. So the courts do not look at this as compulsory self-incrimination under the 5th Amendment, they look at is as a reasonable search under the 4th amendment.
5/31/2016 07:30:00 AM
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You don't know how a Supreme Court of the United States can trump an Illinois statute or ruling??? Really????
How come Rahm gets to negotiate in the media but the FOP never does?
This clearly is orchestrated by Rahm to try and soften up the FOP by getting the public to feel we're unreasonable.
. In 2002
Allegations swept through the department that the Superintendent's son had a copy of Police Sergeant Examination # 32014 Assessment Exercise . All but one member of his tactical team were promoted after scoring in the top one hundred . The superintendent s kid was them meritoriously promoted to Lie tenant . But who do you complain to ?
The above post is SPOT ON....except that everyone on that tact team scored under 300 and one add on ( gang team) guy scored around 308 or so....total clown show and if you ever ask one of these guys how they attained sgt they'll tell you they EARNED it....Hahahahhahahahhaa
Fucking hypocrits...every last one of them!!!!!!
5/31/2016 12:33:00 PM
I agree, but well before that, and Royko died in the 90's. '67 convention media was not too kind to us either.
News papers in paper print form are on life support. Who in their right mind would actually pay for the garbage that is printed in this city anyway. The Onion is the only paper in Chicago to read and its free.
Remember, go 4 the old heart attack, u should b able 2 get a week off, b 4 u
have 2 testify or answer questions.
Blogger Tombstone courage said...
It isn't the contract that protects police from frivolous claims, it is the constitution of the United States. Police are citizens and we have the same rights under God. These rights can't be removed by newspaper writers.
If you worked for the Tribune, you would have to fear that you would be laid off by age 45. Your pathetic buyout would be the last dollar you would see in journalism. No pension.
Then, you have to wonder if the Tribune will be out of business in three years. Would you want to work there?
Mark konkel won a Pulitzer and left the Sun Times. He got a job with something called dnainfo? Really? What is that about? Is that what you get for working in journalism these days? How fucked up is this industry? What dies dnainfo pay? Pension? Benefits?
5/31/2016 04:47:00 PM
Well since you put it that way,
no fucking wonder the Fibune has been
grinding axes to butter-knives against CPD
and our pension and common sense protections.
Jealous, hateful
whores...
Do we still have to blow administratively ? Anyone know?
I did a little research yesterday. What I found is the Chicago (I believe) case of People v. Carey (2008). In that case the cop fucked up bad. He was drunk and he chased a guy with his gun drawn. The guy he was chasing ran up to an on duty cop and the drunk cop followed behind with his gun drawn. Stupid. The cop got arrested for the agg assault. ( I forgot to mention the cop had just gotten out of his car - the chase involved vehicles). The cop refused a breathalizer, as is the right of any citizen. He was approached later by a Sgt., who, I assume, was from IAD, who gave him his administrative rights. The cop blew at that point, administratively. In the administrative rights that were read to him, it said the results could not be used criminally. The trial court attempted to use the breathalizer results in the criminal trial, but the judge would not allow it. The breathalizer results were suppressed. The state appealed. The Appellate court looked at a 1975 case (people V. Todd if you care), and found that 11-501 of the Illinois Vehicle Code at that time expressly prohibited "evidentiary use of blood obtained without the defendant's consent." (blood, not breath but same thing really). That was right in the DUI statute. Case closed right? No, not at all. The Appellate court looked at a 1966 SCOTUS case which ruled that taking a blood sample without consent is a reasonable search. I have no idea how SCOTUS precedent can trump the Illinois statute. And anyway, in 1982 the Illinois Vehicle Code language was changed so that CONSENT WAS NOT required. So the courts do not look at this as compulsory self-incrimination under the 5th Amendment, they look at is as a reasonable search under the 4th amendment.
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Sounds like a 1L from JM Law.
Anonymous said...
Do we still have to blow administratively ? Anyone know?
Never submit to breath or blood if your over. Might face discipline, probably avoid incarceration.
(OT) then you look at page 14 in today's Suntimes where a copper and her partner are being fired for perjury "the camera in car picked up a conversation the officer had on her cellphone with her sergeant" so no privacy in police vehicles on your cellphone! Be extremely careful talking to your partners or family we obviously have no right to privacy! Stay fetal stay quiet silence is golden!
My partner and I always use paper. We NEVER speak of anything outside of our duties. Comments are written down then we burn the paper notes. We have been doing so since we got the dash cams.
The media has this absurd notion that immediately after a gunfight, a traumatic incident, that the sergeant or some leader at the scene, calls a huddle and in about 2-3 minutes everyone agrees on the exact story and all the details match.
Sounds plausible to me...NOT.
If I were going to do a criminal or out-of-policy shooting I would make sure I did not do it in front of a half-dozen or more coppers. Or civilians. Or any living witnesses.
"Well then I guess the disclaimer will be done away with. If your going to take my protections away you can't order me to say a damn thing without a attorney."
When the disclaimer was there it was because that if you didn't answer you could be fired. But the way the climate is now, you will probably be fired anyway, so what's the difference? Why make a statement? They will fire if you don't. They will fire you if you do.
And about indemnification: First off, the Corporation Counsel is NOT your attorney. They do not represent you with YOUR best interests at heart. They are the City's attorney. While there may be overlap, they are not neccessarily your friend.
Of course, the best defense is to stay fetal. Only working police get jammed.
The Tribune, DNAINFO journalism pay.
Journalism always attracted naive idealistic Bernstien-Woodward wannabes who thought that they would uncover injustice and change the world. And that they would do it living a shoestring life as, unless you won a few big prizes and got a big name, you did not make much.
The Tribune with its paywall is comic. The press screams how the public has a "right to know" but only if they are willing to pay for it. And the Tribune is not worth paying for. From lack of details to an editorial stance I disagree with, why pay?
Problem reaction solution.
This will be the first time the city will be the first one at the bargaining table. They can't wait to strip all of our protections from the contract. They won't drag this one out for three years.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Good job! 2 coppers in the shit house, their sgt on extended IOD, and the Lt retired and second in command of another department. Clout clout clout.
5/31/2016 05:35:00 PM
9161 patrolmen lose again bosses escape the net again nothing new, koschman,sos,summer dale,Marquette 10 etc the story continues unabated. Order coppers, be in charge covered in Teflon! Coppers still being silly jeopardizing career and family for that pat on the back insanity!
What about Daley paying for the what the City is losing due to the parking meter deal? He's far more responsible since it was done with planning, fore-thought, and malice. This seems like a far bigger problem, a far larger financial loss than $2 M here and $2 M there for some dead bangers.
I'd like to know about the code of silence at Harvard University where the Tribs S. Chapman went. How about the story cover ups about his plagiarizing some (not all) of his work there. Having more qualified students writing papers for him. We have heard about those complaints Mr Chapman. Why are you keeping that subject matter quite?
And to think, how many trees had to die to print that drivel.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Do we still have to blow administratively ? Anyone know?
I did a little research yesterday. What I found is the Chicago (I believe) case of People v. Carey (2008). In that case the cop fucked up bad. He was drunk and he chased a guy with his gun drawn. The guy he was chasing ran up to an on duty cop and the drunk cop followed behind with his gun drawn. Stupid. The cop got arrested for the agg assault. ( I forgot to mention the cop had just gotten out of his car - the chase involved vehicles). The cop refused a breathalizer, as is the right of any citizen. He was approached later by a Sgt., who, I assume, was from IAD, who gave him his administrative rights. The cop blew at that point, administratively. In the administrative rights that were read to him, it said the results could not be used criminally. The trial court attempted to use the breathalizer results in the criminal trial, but the judge would not allow it. The breathalizer results were suppressed. The state appealed. The Appellate court looked at a 1975 case (people V. Todd if you care), and found that 11-501 of the Illinois Vehicle Code at that time expressly prohibited "evidentiary use of blood obtained without the defendant's consent." (blood, not breath but same thing really). That was right in the DUI statute. Case closed right? No, not at all. The Appellate court looked at a 1966 SCOTUS case which ruled that taking a blood sample without consent is a reasonable search. I have no idea how SCOTUS precedent can trump the Illinois statute. And anyway, in 1982 the Illinois Vehicle Code language was changed so that CONSENT WAS NOT required. So the courts do not look at this as compulsory self-incrimination under the 5th Amendment, they look at is as a reasonable search under the 4th amendment.
5/31/2016 07:30:00 AM
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You don't know how a Supreme Court of the United States can trump an Illinois statute or ruling??? Really????
5/31/2016 06:23:00 PM
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Only if SCOTUS holds that statute unconstitutional, which in this case they did not.
promotions - the Fire Dept. has RIGHT IN THEIR CONTRACT that the revruns get to look over the tests before they are given
no, I'm not kidding
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Maybe the Tribune should focus on the amount of wasteful spending the mayor and the city council spends on rediculous programs and handouts to people who take it and spend their day drinking, getting high, standing on corners and causing problems instead of looking for a job. What a disgrace. This is the best time for a Republican to step up and challenge Rahm. Its so crazy that these idiot voters keep voting for the same trash and watch them continuously drive the city deeper into the gutter.
5/31/2016 03:36:00 PM
That is there reason for being! They are born and raised to vote and vote democratic. That is their job. The catered to are more valuable to the lords in charge than you or I am? Even all those reverends know that they are their meal tickets. Than you have the dipshit liberals who think that they are so superior to everyone. They are the real racists because they believe that every minority is so inferior that they cannot do anything without their direction and full support of the "government". This bullshit has been going on for how many generations now? It's not going to change anytime soon!
The Trib and those 2 over-the-hill fluffers Marin and Ahern are going to push for the complete abolishment of Constitutional due process for police. They are like the press in 1930's Germany that through their complicity allowed Hitler to rise to power.
There can be absolutely no ceding of protection for police. No matter how much more pay is offered. (What good is a high paying job if you can be fired on a whim?)
The media wants to take our legal protection back to the likes of the Salem witch trials and the Spanish Inquisition.
They continue to besiege the police while the streets are running red with blood. And they wonder why the police are fetal.
Anonymous said...
(OT) then you look at page 14 in today's Suntimes where a copper and her partner are being fired for perjury "the camera in car picked up a conversation the officer had on her cellphone with her sergeant" so no privacy in police vehicles on your cellphone! Be extremely careful talking to your partners or family we obviously have no right to privacy! Stay fetal stay quiet silence is golden!
My partner and I always use paper. We NEVER speak of anything outside of our duties. Comments are written down then we burn the paper notes. We have been doing so since we got the dash cams.
5/31/2016 11:11:00 PM
Makes for a long, miserable tour, doesn't it. (Not a question; a statement of fact.)
If I ever have to work a car again and it has a camera then I'm developing hand signs for me and my partner to use. You know signs like baseball players use. The bastards can record that all they want.... it'll be a LOT of work to try and figure out what we're talking about.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"Well then I guess the disclaimer will be done away with. If your going to take my protections away you can't order me to say a damn thing without a attorney."
When the disclaimer was there it was because that if you didn't answer you could be fired. But the way the climate is now, you will probably be fired anyway, so what's the difference? Why make a statement? They will fire if you don't. They will fire you if you do.
And about indemnification: First off, the Corporation Counsel is NOT your attorney. They do not represent you with YOUR best interests at heart. They are the City's attorney. While there may be overlap, they are not neccessarily your friend.
Of course, the best defense is to stay fetal. Only working police get jammed.
6/01/2016 12:53:00 AM
You are correct.
Just ask the Corp.Counsel if they represent you. Bring your own atty. when talking to them.
5%jan 2018,5%30 jun2018 5%01 jan 2019! start there and we talk alittle!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Do we still have to blow administratively ? Anyone know?
I did a little research yesterday. What I found is the Chicago (I believe) case of People v. Carey (2008). In that case the cop fucked up bad. He was drunk and he chased a guy with his gun drawn. The guy he was chasing ran up to an on duty cop and the drunk cop followed behind with his gun drawn. Stupid. The cop got arrested for the agg assault. ( I forgot to mention the cop had just gotten out of his car - the chase involved vehicles). The cop refused a breathalizer, as is the right of any citizen. He was approached later by a Sgt., who, I assume, was from IAD, who gave him his administrative rights. The cop blew at that point, administratively. In the administrative rights that were read to him, it said the results could not be used criminally. The trial court attempted to use the breathalizer results in the criminal trial, but the judge would not allow it. The breathalizer results were suppressed. The state appealed. The Appellate court looked at a 1975 case (people V. Todd if you care), and found that 11-501 of the Illinois Vehicle Code at that time expressly prohibited "evidentiary use of blood obtained without the defendant's consent." (blood, not breath but same thing really). That was right in the DUI statute. Case closed right? No, not at all. The Appellate court looked at a 1966 SCOTUS case which ruled that taking a blood sample without consent is a reasonable search. I have no idea how SCOTUS precedent can trump the Illinois statute. And anyway, in 1982 the Illinois Vehicle Code language was changed so that CONSENT WAS NOT required. So the courts do not look at this as compulsory self-incrimination under the 5th Amendment, they look at is as a reasonable search under the 4th amendment.
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Sounds like a 1L from JM Law.
5/31/2016 10:27:00 PM
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The questions remains ... anyone know if we still have to blow administratively?
The tribune has chosen to be the mouthpiece of the left. Pravda during the time of the Soviet Union was less obvious. Their shit brained editors put in opinion pieces from propagandists from bloomberg view and other anti American leftist bullshit slingers. Add that to idiots like rex humpye and his sorry commentary, and you have a paper only fit for picking up dog shit in your yard. (sorry John Kass).
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