Residency Gone!
- The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled in a 5-2 vote Thursday that Milwaukee city employees are now allowed to live outside city limits and cannot face disciplinary action.
Prior to this ruling, the city says employees who failed to relocate inside city limits within the first six months of employment were terminated.
However, terminating employees as a result of the city's former residency restriction was put on hold in 2013 when litigation surrounding the policy began.
When this goes to a court, the employees always seem to win over the cities. Except here. But it deserves constant consideration seeing as how formerly safe neighborhoods are becoming less so and it's only a matter of time before cops are attacked at their homes - Eddie himself had some sort of short-lived police detail at his house last week due to his odd choice in allies against his own Department.
You think every cop is going to get that for their house?
You think every cop is going to get that for their house?
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
126 Comments:
Yeeehaaawwww. Sign me up !
Well what large city is left with residency?
Well what state was last to allow carry concealed?
What state has most amount of politicians serving jail sentences?
Guess we here in Illinois and Chicago are the last to do what is right.
Also nice to see Mayor lose his memory under a deposition?
Must be guilty of something to forget so much?
Chicago is now the only city in the nation with a population of 100,000 or more that still mandates active police (and fire) residency within the city limits.
Ladies and Gents, the residency rule is not going to be lifted in Chicago any time soon so as Hawk says sit back relax and strap it down
The city would go bonkers if residency law was lifted.
The democrat machine running Chicago would rather have dead cops in their fire bombed homes than have to change the residency requirements.
Don't get your hopes fired up over this. That was Wisconsin, this is Illinois.
Keep that in mind before you get excited and start wasting money.
The thing I'm worried about is if residency is lifted, whose gonna want to buy my house now? Property value is going to decrease right away, all these city workers that used to want to live where I live don't need to anymore so your pretty much going to lose money now. Then say you can't get a price you want on your house, you now have shit birds moving in because some people probly went section 8 or rented it out just to hurry up and try to stick it to the city and get out. Now while you try to raise a family in hopes to sell your house and move somewhere you gotta worry about these dirtbags on your block.
Cities and seniors believe all of a sudden everyone will sell their house.
people forget:
when you are married you significant other may work in the city too.
changing schools for kids is a pain in the ass.
your house aint worth what you paid.
your house has a plastic pool and a bar in a dark basement worth very little.
Your credit aint too hot because you have 2 car loans.
Your credit aint that great because you pay child support.
Your credit aint great because your ex has half your pension.
You aint the police in another city when you live their.
overall if we all moved the City will survive and if you are a landlord you know this already because RENT are up.
I'll stick around used steam to get kid in magnet school saving me tens of thousands.
as soon as mr toni prickwinkle is mayor he'll get rid of it for sure as he wants only black and brown people living here.
If the Indentured Servitude, that passes as a Residency Requirement were to be lifted in Chicago, there would be an exodus of City of Chicago employees, and you would see the problems of the Chicago Public High Schools disappear, as schools would close for lack of students. The Parochial School System would also Collapse! Let's face it City employees work two or three jobs to send their kids to Catholic Schools for far more than the religion classes. After all, the nuns are gone. So the days of the Church strong arming City employees to pay for pedophile priests and churches that cannot support themselves, hello Fr. Faker and St. Sabinas; all of that nonsense would also end. Now that we have a politically Dead Man Walking Mayor, it may be possible to see this happen, we can hope! And we will all shed tears for you 11th and 19th Ward Hacks, who have to stay to support your Clout. Baby"G", stay fetal, stay fetal!
File the lawsuit now. Let the people stay that want to stay. Let the people leave that want to leave.
If the residency requirement is lifted, property values will drop rapidly. Think about it: you want to move to that nice suburb or Indiana, who is going to pay top dollar for your house? Remember all those studies and polls that say people are leaving Illinois, and leaving Chicago?
Police and fire are keeping some neighborhoods still livable in Chicago.
Please don't ask again for the residency to be lifted.
Hello Deano. Wake up Deano! Time to get the lawsuit rolling! Listen to your membership. They expect you to lead - not genuflect to RAHM.
Retired .38 spl +P
As they say, "Crime is everywhere."
What "good neighborhoods" are left? Many of the suburbs have turned to shit. Section 8 Housing has popped up everywhere thanks to Obama and trying to make sure ALL neighborhoods are "diversified".
This isn't 30-40 years ago. It isn't even 20 years ago.
You may be surprised that the suburb you pick might be worse than where you live now in Chicago. Hard to fathom - I agree.
Unless you have BIG money and can move to Winnetka, Wilmette or some of the North Shore, the suburbs you are thinking about (and can afford) are not much better.
Plus, you might suffer a heart attack when you see the suburban tax bills for a house.
We need residency lifted, this would make them treat us better. I'm loving it.......
Pension #1
Residency #2
New squad cars, furlough by watch, & whatever else you idiots voted for last time with disability dean #3
I live in my boat 6 months of the year and a family owned apartment the rest.
careful....
I actually have that guard detail at my house. They are called neighbors. They are armed and they kind of keep an eye on each other. I know, that's kind of old fashioned in today's world.
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. I guess not if your a city employee.
fop will never file suit to get residency lifted. Those old fucks who run things own property in the city and are scared they might lose a few grand.
Not a City employee but I think this is a great idea!!!! .....now I can pick up a few of those 800 sq foot Georgians in Mt. Greenwood for about $45 grand each!!!!!!!
The city would surviv, but the neighborhoods wouldn't.
If they don't like us, then why are they so insistent on us living within city limits? Feels like I'm in my own domestic, and I want to leave, but I just can't.
Wisconsin does not have the Illinois Supreme Court. Therein lies the difference.
Anonymous The Grass Ain't Greener said...
As they say, "Crime is everywhere."
What "good neighborhoods" are left? Many of the suburbs have turned to shit. Section 8 Housing has popped up everywhere thanks to Obama and trying to make sure ALL neighborhoods are "diversified".
This isn't 30-40 years ago. It isn't even 20 years ago.
You may be surprised that the suburb you pick might be worse than where you live now in Chicago. Hard to fathom - I agree.
Unless you have BIG money and can move to Winnetka, Wilmette or some of the North Shore, the suburbs you are thinking about (and can afford) are not much better.
Plus, you might suffer a heart attack when you see the suburban tax bills for a house.
6/24/2016 01:55:00 AM
Exactly. Section 8 is virtually everywhere. R.E.taxes are less in Chicago than most of the suburbs that you would want to live in.
Choose wisely.
Your pension,benefits,and protections form your employer are MUCH more important than residency.
Don't give up any of them for residency.
You will NEVER get them back. NEVER.
Who still lives in the city? You only need an address in the city. Smarten up.
I DO NOT want it to be lifted,hell im ready to retire and do not need all these shithead city workers and there family to follow me when i leave......
The CPS residency policy police rarely nab anyone, only a token number of violators a year with most violators known as repeat troublemakers and the good citizen violators never get looked into. When CPS teachers get nailed, complaints get lost or rules usually get changed to help the violators.
Did you know that if a CPS employee gets caught for violating the residency policy, they get 6 months to relocate into Chicago. However, these violators can ask for and receive another 6 months to relocate into Chicago. So, think two full school years not 1 years time.
Currently, there are (17) assistant principals getting residency waivers. Guess what folks? The position of assistant principal isn't considered a 'need basis subject area' where these assistant principals can ask for the waiver, meaning someone at CPS Talent aka HR is letting them slide. Like DeNiro said in Casino, "Either you (CPS Talent) were too stupid to see what was going on or you were in on it."
Hello Tennessee !!!
I'll chip in right now. We get an old timer to take the hit. He moves to the burbs, IAD fires him, and he sues.
Let's go.
10 years of continuous service and you then have option to reside outside of City. It's reasonable, and those who are "freaking out" over who will purchase their home can have a little better piece of mind. Not sure why Dean has not brought it up- this would be an amazing job if we didn't have to live here.
Once again you coppers think the world revolves around you. There are not that many city workers that would start a "crisis" in the real estate market. There are a lot of buyers out there that work downtown and don't want to live in the suburbs. If you were dumb enough to immediately put your home on the market then Sure you may get low ball offers. But. After the dust settled prices would remain consistent. It should be lifted its not practical anymore.
Positives: Thousands of new CPD and CFD Section 8 slumlords in Mount Poopwood, and don't forget Brotha Rice and Yo Mama McAuley would be more diverse...win win :)
Oh, the ignorant chorus of "my NW Side Georgian or S Side Bungalow that I dumped 100k into will be worthless; property values will plummet; this city will become Detroit; 40,000 municipal employees will move out overnight; neighborhoods will collapse; the grass isn't greener in suburbs due to higher property taxes and spread of Section 8; your commute will be longer if you move", bla bla bla.
PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE THE CHOICE OF WHERE THEY WANT TO LIVE. WE GIVE UP ENOUGH PERSONAL LIBERTY TO WORK THIS JOB. STOP BEING WILLING VICTIMS AND STOP PROJECTING YOUR FEARS AND REASONS FOR NOT WANTING TO LEAVE THIS SHIT HOLE ON THE REST OF US
Sorry to shout, SCC. Just tired of hearing the same tired groaning from the Fearful.
What other city collapsed when municipal employees were allowed to live elsewhere? Don't answer Detroit, because Detroit was going down for other reasons before this nonsense was lifted.
What other major city in the nation still has a residency requirement for its employees? A handful. And wherever the law is challenged, it is being defeated.
If this law were ever to be abolished, fear not. The City will go on without you. If you sell your house, someone else will buy it, taxes will continue to be paid there. That plot of land doesn't vanish. 40k workers won't relocate overnight.
At the very least, AT THE VERY LEAST, the FOP should be using the THREAT of going after residency in the courts as a bargaining chip to wring other concessions from this administration. It is not necessary to bargain away something we have, like vacation time or the medical, to get rid of this.
I've been living in Wilmette for 25 years, no one has caught me yet, still living with Mommy and Daddy in the pool house,the secret , never wear your uniform home, it's so easy!!
I can only tell you that for many years the commander of 009 had a list of homes of the connected people. He would order that a car check each home a few times each evening. I have no idea if this still goes on. Jesse jackson had a home detail, Fr. Faker had a detail, it seemed that just about anyone with clout managed to get at least a special attention on their homes. These are the same people who are against concealed carry for you and more police for your neighborhood.
A good lawyer knows the law,A great Lawyer knows the Judge,Lots of gold coast parties where they exchange envelopes.
Police and fire are keeping some neighborhoods still livable in Chicago.
Please don't ask again for the residency to be lifted.
6/24/2016 01:43:00 AM
Will property values drop in Chicago if employee residency is lifted? Possibly, but I do not think by much. Property values have remained static in the Chicago area since 2008. I live in a pretty nice suburb and my house is worth just about what I paid for it 10 years ago. I used to live in Mt. Greenwood, a community that I liked alot and still miss. Go for an end to residency. You will make up the difference in school tuition if nothing else.
The residency issue comes up every so often. About 20 years ago it was a heated topic at the FOP meetings. Near fist fights. The coppers that lived in Copland (016) were nearly violently opposed because their property values would plummet. The $150k shack they bought for $350k would drop in value.
SCC is mistaken, EVERY municipality that has challenged residency in court has won. Our problem is that as long as it's in the contract even if we won in court it would still be binding. The first step is removing it from the contract
I probably wouldn't move at least not until after retirement. It's just hard to believe that in this day and age a city would still force it's employees to live within city limits as condition of employment. Infringing on the liberty and pursuit of happiness that tells you how the city cares about you.
The state of Wisconsin passed a law throwing out the residency rules, that's how it was beat in Milwaukee. What are the odds Springfield, run by the Chicago machine, would pass such a law?
Also, when I was working, I bet my partner I could grow a beard w/o getting a doctors note. I started a church, the prophet,(me)declared all male members had to have a beard. The Department had a fit, but I was the only white uniformed officer working the street in Chicago allowed to have a beard, until it itched so bad I shaved it a year later.
A lawyer I worked with said that a religious exemption from the residency rule would have a good chance of working but I was close to retirement and didn't pursue it.
Best of luck from Reverend Al, Prophet, Spiritual Faith Church. Donations accepted.
[Just my two cents but I'm with you guys and gals]
Residency Rules for city employees no longer make any sense.
At one time yes, like when decent housing, decent schools, vibrant local shopping districts abounded, and *most* neighborhoods were safe. As such, wherever you worked in the city, a nice neighborhood was right there or very close by a short car ride.
And it made sense when taxes and the cost of living in the city wasn't prohibitive. Today living in the city is like a penalty due ever rising costs due to the ever shrinking Tax Base.
And residency made sense when going to the suburbs was a 'Day Trip' because there wasn't any interstate expressways to scoot you anywhere you want in 30 minutes -- try driving from from a NW neighborhood to Beverly only by driving on city streets. Today that's a 'Day Trip'.
The fact is that Residency Rules belong in "The Dustbin Of History".
(a nice Leon Trotsky quote for the leftist trolls. LOL)
40 + years ago the Confederation of Police sued for residency But we sued in Cook County court well you know we were going to lose at the same time NYC,and a host of cities sued and All Won. Take it to Federal Court the precedence as already been set. Not to mention Tiny Dancer. Kell
Have city employees stay first 10 years. Once they got 10 then they can lift residency. That way it won't be a massive exodus.
Detroit did it years ago. Looked what happened to them. City would lose HUGE chunk of the tax base. Not going to happen. Face reality people.
Don't bet on residency lifted, the selfish "misery loves company" city workers in the 11th, 19th and 43rd wards will make sure we ALL pay for THEIR poor real estate investments
I'd rather have 25 years and done. One of the last departments to have to work 30 years.
Let's end this communist state called Cook County, Chicago. Lift residency!!!
I went to high school with the son of a Chicago Fireman, they lived in the suburbs for decades.
So much for residency requirements. What I found amusing about this particular fireman's domicile location was that he was also head of the Firefighter's Union.
Appointed Crooked Judges (accepting campaign donations) would never allow Chicago employees to leave.
Foe example; Rahm Emanuael was considered a resident even after being gone and living for years in DC.
Never understood the reasoning for the mayor to have a stranglehold on city employee residency (or is it occupancy).
Is there still a fear of white flight?
Don't settle for tyrannical rule.
Sign a Gov. Potatohead, Mayoral Term Limit petition.
Not everyone is going to leave. Some people like their neighborhood, neighbors, proximity to their job/spouses job, kids school etc.
Let's not pretend that everyone would leave. I'd bet that not even close to 50% of people would leave the city. Let the people who want to leave have the option.
It's our ace in the hole. You know they are going to screw us next contract. Might as well get the ball rolling now!
For you uninformed readers, property values are falling in the residential market
of Chicago. And it has nothing to do with residency.
bond status junk or below
public school system failing
taxes about to rise
mortgages harder to find within crook county.
And you think employee residency will push city over the edge?
we city employees are keeping city afloat on our backs.
You must be drinking the city Kool aid
Where is the Illinois Governor on this issue? It was the Wisconsin Governor who freed the servants of Milwaukee.
016 -- catch this one?
More Than 30 Illegal Guns Seized In Jefferson Park Raid, Police Say
Updated on June 20, 2016 8:45am
"CHICAGO— Officers seized more than 30 illegal guns Friday morning from a Jefferson Park home...
"Officers were investigating a man who sold drugs to undercover police officers, and found drugs and guns stashed in his house at Newcastle Avenue and Gunnison Street when they searched the home.
"Police were not immediately able to provide information about any arrests made in connection to the search or the types or amount of drugs seized..."
https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20160617/jefferson-park/more-than-30-illegal-guns-seized-jefferson-park-raid-police-say
for all you rocket scientist that want to leave Chicago you are being warned, the suburbs are no that great , and yes dude is out there in full force, and so is section 8 , plus the taxes are high , and so are the fees for water , and garbich plus a hugh heroin problem too. you really have to move about an hour to two hours away from Chicago get away from the sh-t
Watch the Big Bosses. If They start selling then they got the answers.
Should they lift the residency, homes values will NOT go down. The several thousand city workers that might move would have minimal affect over the 2 million staying. Stop being negative! Lift residency!
You greedy coppers "who will buy my house " who is going to pay top dollar for that shit now ??! Illegals will buy the houses for what they really are worth, not much . That border was left open for 30 years on purpose. Luft resudency now , for the future coppers and my kids now
We can keep the residency, but the unions need to threaten the city in the next Collective bargaining agreements, contracts and tell the city that they won't take them to court only if we get better pay and benefits. Hopefully all the city unions will use this against the city. We have to fight for what we want.
Well the mayor lost the Lucas museum.
You see what happens when you band together.......
Keep the residency requirement. I don't want to see my house be worth $1 when it's time for me to retire.
Let's get this started. This is the time to act. Besides no one likes the police, wouldn't it be nice if the citizens didn't have police in the neighborhood?
I say lift residency. I will roll the dice on selling my house. Would much rather live in northern burbs with top schools, free schools. Also if the CPS does not open in September I think we should sue to lift residency asap. If they can't keep schools open there's no way they can demand we live in city.
Who cares who is going to buy your house . Just sell it and leave. I'm willing to take a hit.( A big hit )on the value just to get out. I fact they can have it for free I'm walking away..$350 down the toilet. But I don't have to live in the toilet anymore.
Any Lawsuit filed against the City of Chicago can include present City Employees, and also former City Employees, who were discriminated against for years and decades, by being forced to live in the City as a condition of employment. This is gonna be huge, and it's coming.
Be careful what you ask for, residents of 008, 016 and 022. No one wants to live there EXCEPT City Employees meeting a residency requirement. What's your house worth now? What's it going to be worth after? We all signed on to live here. We knew the score. So let it stand and keep the values where they are.
Great. Here come the stupid posts from coppers complaining that they don't want the residency lifted because they are afraid about property values dropping and Chicago will turn into the Purge movie.
I don't give a fuck. Lift the damn residency. This city was tolerable when I got on the job years ago but it has just gotten weirder. Between bicyclists, yuppies, red light cameras, Black Lives Matter, and being a santuary safe haven for illegals, this place fucking sucks!
I don't need to move out to Wilmette. Just a simple suburb like Des Plaines beats Chicago because it is less congested, and has fewer people.
This City is run by a bunch of dumb jagoffs. Anything to keep control over us like those idiotic F.O.I.D. cards.
So they lift residency.What concessions are you willing to give. No raises? Pay more for pension and health care? Let's face it any suburbs cops can afford to live in are going to be marginal better than Shitcago at best.Lifting residency might be the best deal......for Rahm.
Anonymous said...
Who cares who is going to buy your house . Just sell it and leave. I'm willing to take a hit.( A big hit )on the value just to get out. I fact they can have it for free I'm walking away..$350 down the toilet. But I don't have to live in the toilet anymore.
6/24/2016 02:41:00 PM
Give me your phone number I'm always in the market for a free house
If so many of you don't want to live in the city, then why did you take this job in the first place.
Good luck in cook county!
The democrat machine running Chicago would rather have dead cops in their fire bombed homes than have to change the residency requirements..........
Yeah because nothing happens in suburbs.
North siders aren't complaining about residency, it's the south siders.
Young professionals, yuppies, hipsters, etc... are flooding many parts of the city. Down town, south loop, wrigley and many other parts of the city are insanely expensive! Even the in the ghetto (east part of 011,, Humbolt Park, etc... you can't afford to buy anymore. If some city workers (and we know that not all) would leave, no neighborhood values would go down! We would get quickly replaced by new owners! Don't be short sighted! The residency is an old has been system and it has got to go!
Not here in Crooksville,USA. There is better chance of finding an Ice Cream shop in hell!
do you guys really think your houses in 008 and 022 are going to sell for much anyway? most of the values down there are very low. Your going to be taking a hit when you go to sell it no matter how you slice it.
Time to fight for the right to move out of this city.
Not here in Crooksville,USA. There is better chance of finding an Ice Cream shop in hell!
We need to be able to live where we want. How can the residency rule be lifted one state over ,but not here ? Corruption? I'm sure if they lifted it there would be suburbs competing to get us to move in their town. Big tax breaks and all kinds of savings would be offered to us. The problem here is 50% of Chicago residents are paying 100% of the taxes. If we were able to move way out of Crook county and take our tax dollars with us ,liberals would quickly find out why Socialism doesn't work. Residency laws are like Obama care. You have little to no choice. But,once residency is lifted ,small suburbs will compete for us. Don't believe people on here saying the suburbs are no better. Yes they are and remember ,property values go up when cops live in your neighborhood. If someone says differently on here ,they have a vested interest in keeping cops and city workers in the city. Worth looking into. Why do we need the union to get residency restrictions lifted ? We could hire the guy from Milwaukee Wisconsin. It can be done ,but only if the people representing you ,really want it to get done.
Most Police or fire ,unless your about to retire will never own their home outright. Unless it's a shithole in 007. I'm talking regular cops or fire that are not investors . We could live really nice way out in the burbs and not have to work side jobs. I think that if a new regime of FOP reps get residency lifted in one term .they all go. All of them and not come back in a different position. We are the last major city with residency requirements. Wake up people.
If The UK could leave the EU ,we should be able to get residency lifted. We could probably hire a lawyer for close to nothing to win that. We are the last city with residency laws. You need a lawyer with ZERO vested interest in the city. Kinda like we get a raise ,followed by the largest property tax hike in Chicago history. Coincidence? I will let you judge that. We really need a union that is employed by something other than the city.
We all signed on to live here.?
Pardon my dust, we signed on for a job as a police officer, go back to shining your alderman's shoes!
So let it stand and keep the values where they are.
And enjoy the new TAX BILLS soon to be in the mail, jackass!
Funny how the City can seek to make changes in our pension but will not consider lifting the residency.
I'm telling you. you would have mayors of small brand new construction suburbs competing to get cops in their town. I'm not talking the suburb bordering Chicago. I'm talking an hour or more out. Cops bring up property values and mayors know it ,so towns or villages would give cops big big tax breaks and you could have communities of new construction homes ($200k) for 5 bdr 4 bthrm homes with AMAZING schools where if you suck as a teacher you lose your job. It could happen if you stop thinking like a cop for a minute and stop going along to get along. It's so easy and a no brainer.
We have a Republican governor that would probably have suggestions to get the residency lifted. He would love all of the tax revenue going into Dupage county or Kane etc. That would mean Chicago and cook county would have to watch their spending and create jobs. Maybe stop giving free shit to lazy people .
When this residency law was initially lifted in 2013 cops were offered a 1.5 % raise just to stay in the city for six months. Then the decision was reversed in favor of Milwaukee county and then finally upheld in Wisconsin Supreme court. The mayor was pissed because he would be losing hundreds of millions of dollars in Tax dollars. Someone said to the mayor ,you should be asking yourself what are you doing wrong that all of these city workers would want to leave? ASK RAHM EMANUAL WHAT ARE YOU DOING WRONG THAT ALL OF THESE CITY WORKERS WOULD WANNA LEAVE THE CITY. Let the negotiations begin. We should be part of the negotiations and have Chicago compete with the suburbs to see who wants us more.MAKES SENSE RIGHT? So the FOP should be contacting Wisconsin and find out how they did it. Theres no reason we can't have residency lifted .
Catholic grammar school for two kids 13,50p plus property taxes of 3500 , add increases to city county state taxes this year or next ... hmmm yeah sorry taxes can be 10 grand in homer glenn and im still saving money.. residency now
Too bad u overpaid fpr your shack in mt greenwood, I should be stuck for your choice?
Do a gradual lify like was bounced around. Officers with x amount of years could leave but forgo a percentage of pay,
I wouldn't worry about your home values. Just better hope Union Busting Republican Governor Bruce Rauner doesn't get his way with his Turnaround Agenda, which is nothing more than taking away prevailing wages from Union Carpenters and Electricians like those in my family. Without a job it's hard to pay a mortgage! That's something that all FOP Union Members should be aware of.
Home values in 008 and 022 are low already. Do you really think you will get value, hope to break even. Lift residency now.
1.The department would get alot more suburban candidates for a police exam.2.The outskirt districts would get massive transfers in to cut down on commute times (skyway) 3,4,5th districts would be prime districts to work in and live in indiana or southern rural county townships.
Why not do something like a 7yr requirement to reside in the city,this keeps the tax base and the value of your home intact? After 7yrs sell your home to the new city worker!
Anonymous said...
Any Lawsuit filed against the City of Chicago can include present City Employees, and also former City Employees, who were discriminated against for years and decades, by being forced to live in the City as a condition of employment. This is gonna be huge, and it's coming.
And just how were they discriminated against??? Nobody forced them to take a city job just like they weren't forced to keep it....
Wrong. It does work here. City tried to fire me for residency but the judge ruled in my favor. Of the course the city wont advertise that.
Jefferson Park, Edison Park etc secede from the city .....No one has to move and all city employees are now suburbanites.
Despite the growing boundaries of the "hood" and a horrible murder rate, there are still decent neighborhoods in Kilwaukee. And a police chief with the balls to tell it like it is.
Who cares who is going to buy your house . Just sell it and leave. I'm willing to take a hit.( A big hit )on the value just to get out. I fact they can have it for free I'm walking away..$350 down the toilet. But I don't have to live in the toilet anymore.
6/24/2016 02:41:00 PM
Give me your phone number I'm always in the market for a free house
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Ok, maybe, but AFTER residency gets lifted...so we may be waiting a while...like we'll both be 6 feet under...
get rid of residency so i can get my awesome 4 bedroom 3 bedroom house in the burbs an hr away from the city for 175-200k...
Wooooo!!!! I can't wait get me out of this shit hole and into a huge yard and house and Payless
We have a Republican governor that would probably have suggestions to get the residency lifted. He would love all of the tax revenue going into Dupage county or Kane etc. That would mean Chicago and cook county would have to watch their spending and create jobs. Maybe stop giving free shit to lazy people .
Awesome suggestion, 👍🏻
Suburbs? How about move out of the state.
6/24/2016 09:46:00 PM
Huh?
I don't know any suburban Coppers that live in the city. What does that have to say?
Will property values drop in Chicago if employee residency is lifted? Possibly, but I do not think by much. Property values have remained static in the Chicago area since 2008. I live in a pretty nice suburb and my house is worth just about what I paid for it 10 years ago. I used to live in Mt. Greenwood, a community that I liked alot and still miss. Go for an end to residency. You will make up the difference in school tuition if nothing else.
6/24/2016 09:14:00 AM
The biggest influence on the lower/stagnant values of property In Mt. Greenwood is the large amount of people that just walked away from their property/mortgages! A whole lot of them are city workers and or their relatives. The hottest area is around Mt. Greenwood grammar school. There are houses being built to feed the market that is made up of the captive city workers who pay a premium to be near the school for their children. If they lifted residency there would be a whole lot of section 8 and few taxpayers left to pay for it.
We all know this is not a realistic option for many of the reasons mentioned above, but we can certainly use this as a huge negotiation chip during contract discussions. The City knows that if we took this issue to the courts, it would win hands down. This Milwaukee decision only confirms this.
So FOP and PBPA lets push for reasonable raises and, most importantly, retiree health care for all officers at 29 years and 1 day of service time if you are 50 or older.
Retiree Health Care should be provided based on service time, not age. The current 55 qualifier punishes officers who came on at a younger age, forcing them to work 30+ years while older officers are receiving these costly benefits with 24-28 years on the job.
ALL Retirees that meet these requirements should receive free health care like we were promised when we took this job!
FOP and PBPA do not waste this leverage!!!
"We all signed on to live here.?
"Pardon my dust, we signed on for a job as a police officer, go back to shining your alderman's shoes!"
Were you not aware that was a condition of employment? Maybe you need to wear a tether and helmet at work so you don't hurt yourself.
"Plus, you might suffer a heart attack when you see the suburban tax bills for a house."
Yeah. I laugh when I see what the city guys bitch about when discussing property taxes. Granted, I can leave my doors unlocked at night, and don't have to worry about getting jumped, people are friendlier, etc.
You guys pay a fraction of what I pay, on a house, while mine is larger, is worth less.
It's ridiculous what we pay in the burbs in property taxes.
Anonymous said...
Who cares who is going to buy your house . Just sell it and leave. I'm willing to take a hit.( A big hit )on the value just to get out. I fact they can have it for free I'm walking away..$350 down the toilet. But I don't have to live in the toilet anymore.
Anonymous said...
I'm telling you. you would have mayors of small brand new construction suburbs competing to get cops in their town. I'm not talking the suburb bordering Chicago. I'm talking an hour or more out. Cops bring up property values and mayors know it ,so towns or villages would give cops big big tax breaks and you could have communities of new construction homes ($200k) for 5 bdr 4 bthrm homes with AMAZING schools where if you suck as a teacher you lose your job. It could happen if you stop thinking like a cop for a minute and stop going along to get along. It's so easy and a no brainer.
I can't believe how utterly stupid some of us are, don't have enough sense to come in out of the rain, after you leave you have no vote or say what so ever when the political elite start to initiate laws to steal your pension and any and all other benefits. During the revolution many said, "Let George do it". All of you Tories are a disgrace who can't be counted on for any cause.
Anonymous said...
North siders aren't complaining about residency, it's the south siders.
6/24/2016 06:33:00 PM
I always had a theory about why south side people are all fucked up:
#1. Poor public transportation
#2. Subpar restaurants
#3. Too many garbage dumps
http://fox6now.com/2016/06/23/court-milwaukee-can-no-longer-enforce-residency-requirement/
The comments section from Milwaukee residents is interesting.
The Democratic mayor (like Chicago) blamed Republican gov, senators, court
The Republican gov (like Illinois) said good deal.
The crap, crud & s++t that has moved damn near everywhere is because of "tolerance" and "diversity" they say.
Still, whether city or suburbs, there are good, safe places.
Another city in Wisconsin, West Allis, dumped residency years ago. Most of police went as then mayor loved and welcomed the crap!!
you are all forgetting something here. The definition of "residency" went up for grabs with the court decision for Rahm/ Remember .. Rahm lived elsewhere but maintained (supposedly) a desire to return to his house by Damen and Irving. The court ruled he was still a resident of that home.
So, technically, you could live in Wisconsin but you'd have to keep your house in Chicago and maintain a desire to return.
Poof ... you are still a resident of Chicago.
Now we need an old-timer to get fired, then sue ...
Sun Times did a thing on the districts with the highest number of city workers. Guess what district? 015 ... yes 015
After i forclose my overpriced chgo house i will rent in the burbs then after three years i can buy again !! Good riddance Chiraq
A lot of people said it...you better research your burbs. I work in the burbs. The reason I never took the city test was the residency. Oddly enough I still had a Chicago address at the time. Anyway, I've been out here about 10 years and am in my 2nd home. We were looking for our next move to be the settling one...but between taxes, where the good schools are, and the unknown activity out here...we're finally seriously looking at Indiana. The police don't play around, the lots are bigger, the schools are better and the yaxes half. Indiana is housing probably a quarter of cops in the south burbs.
I can't believe how utterly stupid some of us are, don't have enough sense to come in out of the rain, after you leave you have no vote or say what so ever when the political elite start to initiate laws to steal your pension and any and all other benefits. During the revolution many said, "Let George do it". All of you Tories are a disgrace who can't be counted on for any cause.
6/25/2016 09:06:00 a.m.
Wake up already!
I can't believe you think it matters or that we actually have a say. Especially When the sell outs in charge of flop and Firefighters local 2 supported and helped pass a bill that the mayor wanted (sb777) which funds our pension less than the law that was already in place.
Will property values drop in Chicago if employee residency is lifted? Possibly, but I do not think by much. Property values have remained static in the Chicago area since 2008. I live in a pretty nice suburb and my house is worth just about what I paid for it 10 years ago. I used to live in Mt. Greenwood, a community that I liked alot and still miss. Go for an end to residency. You will make up the difference in school tuition if nothing else.
6/24/2016 09:14:00 AM
The biggest influence on the lower/stagnant values of property In Mt. Greenwood is the large amount of people that just walked away from their property/mortgages! A whole lot of them are city workers and or their relatives. The hottest area is around Mt. Greenwood grammar school. There are houses being built to feed the market that is made up of the captive city workers who pay a premium to be near the school for their children. If they lifted residency there would be a whole lot of section 8 and few taxpayers left to pay for it.
6/25/2016 08:22:00 AM
LOL. Are you fucking kidding me?
The biggest reason for the stagnating property values is the SHIT IMMEDIATELY to South, East, North, and West.
Another reason is that there is nothing to fucking do except drink. You have to drive to Orland or Oak Brook to shop and for restaurants.
What is there two restaurants in MG that aren't primarily a bar or a fast food grease pit? I think i was counting the French place that is now gone too.
In New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina destroyed most of the middle class housing in 2005 the Crescent City did away with their residence rule. A lot of their cops now live in Mississippi.
It has been legally proven over and over again from LA to New York that is unconstitutional to force employees to Live with in the corporate limits, furthermore, precedents coming from Los Angeles New York Pittsburgh Philadelphia. And last time I checked not one of those large cities ever complained that their house prices plummeted in fact every single one of them still lives very prosperous. The fact of the matter is we are the last major city to have the homerun rule it's time for change.
And to think I didn't apply with Milwaukee years ago due to their residency reqs......
Should have voted for Chuy. He was onboard with lifting residency
Really, where the fuck r u goin 2 move 2, really?
Isn't residency more than a contractual issue? I thought it was a state law
Now Retired...
"Anonymous said...
I don't know any suburban Coppers that live in the city. What does that have to say?
6/25/2016 07:20:00 AM"
You mean cops from towns like Skokie, Kenilworth, not to mention Cook County Sheriffs, State and Federal law enforcement agencies. I think is says you need a wider circle of friends.
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