Wednesday, August 17, 2016

Cell Phone Judicial Order

You know how the bosses are screaming for all the shooting information from a scene? The DSS, the Watch Lieutenant, downtown - everyone wants everything ten minutes ago so that more paperwork can be generated and everyone in the chain of command can look important.

This came down just this week:
  • Please let the troops know that a judicial order was entered yesterday granting access to the PERSONAL CELL PHONES of ALL officers on the scene of the Paul ONeil shooting.

    Let me be clear: access was granted for the ENTIRE PHONE, not just for cell phone records. In addition there was no restriction placed regarding time parameters to include the time up to and just after the incident. Basically, if so ordered, the officer must turn over the phone and all its contents including pictures, texts, etc.

    Tell the officers to make notifications over the air or on a department cell phone or landline. There should no longer be a need for speed.
This isn't the first time cell phones have been subpoenaed in police shootings - the baseball bat shooting in 011 resulted in some embarrassing messages being revealed that were sent TO, not BY the officers.

This is ridiculous. We need a Search Warrant to go through a jagoff's phone, but ours is fair game just because it happened to be on the scene? No Reasonable Articulable Suspicion? No Probable Cause? No Warrant? What if we texted a lawyer? The spouse? Those are privileged communications.

We've stated this many times - police are not above the law, but we aren't under it either, and this seems to be a complete overreach on the part of a single judge regarding something that (in this political climate) may turn into a criminal proceeding. Not acceptable.

First up, the FOP and the PBPA ought to be filing injunctions against this immediately.

Second, no one should be making any sort of notifications from any scene. If the DSS or the Lieutenant need info, they can come to the scene and get it or they can wait until the paper car gets to the station.

Third, since we're all going to be checking out body cameras shortly, we should check out a Department issued cell phone. That way, all the pertinent communications are on a government owned device and can be archived in existence with Department regulations - like Hillary kept track of all her e-mails.

We'd like an iPhone 6 or better.

UPDATE: They're grabbing private e-mails too:
  • Chicago police officers' emails discussing the Laquan McDonald shooting can't be kept secret even though they were transmitted privately, a state official has decreed in what open-records advocates say is a solid step toward transparency on an issue that has roiled Illinois and reached as high as Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign.

    The binding opinion last week by Democratic Attorney General Lisa Madigan follows quickly on a May Cook County Circuit Court ruling that Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel's emails about separate issues aren't automatically exempt from disclosure even though sent on private devices.
These are your personal e-mails, so that racy joke you thought was so funny? Discoverable. That sexist picture you e-mail blasted all over the place? Discoverable. That hot date you were describing to someone? Yeah, discoverable, too. And every automatic notification or mailing list you get from the gun companies, the dating sites and social media - which opens another can of worms.

Your electronic life has just become an open book to the government and to plaintiff attorneys. You only get a pass if your last name is "Clinton."

Labels: ,

256 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fuck that shit . Burn it down !
Where have i heard that before ?

8/17/2016 12:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We are so fucked!

It is time to only use department means of communication or find a store to call from regarding any incident. And that email you listed with the department, get another and don't use it in conjunction with anything related to the department. Time to create two different lives, one for the department and one for yourself and family.

8/17/2016 12:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What if my cell is in my wife's name.

8/17/2016 12:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We still have the 4th amendment , wars have been started for less .

8/17/2016 12:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you have an iPhone, activate the find my iPhone feature. Can remotely wipe your phone. Text messages and emails are still available though from your cellphone company and email provider.

8/17/2016 12:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh get ready for many more rulings like this if Hillary gets elected and puts her judges on the bench.

8/17/2016 12:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fyi-

The Labor day weekend VRI 1600hr start time scab list is now posted on I Clear. Sickening.

8/17/2016 12:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just when you think this place can't get any worse. 97 days and a wake up and I'm the fuck outta here. Youall be safe and leave as soon as you can.

8/17/2016 12:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So when your sergeant is calling you a jagillion times telling you who to notify, and the Lt. is calling, wanting info so he can make his notifications, let your phone go to voice mail. Don't answer it. When you're at the hospital and they want an update on the offender, have them send a car to ask you, because your radio isn't going to work in there. The only call you should make is to FOP. Get someone out there FOR YOU. Fuck the bosses, fuck the notifications, fuck the offender...and if you're the paper car, do it slow and sure. We've all been at scenes where you're getting calls from all kinds of people wanting info. (Sgt. Lt. Desk, Det's, D/C, CPIC, etc....). Let them wait.

8/17/2016 12:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't imagine anyone taking this job . No privacy , really ?

8/17/2016 12:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is funny about this?

Rahm says his personal email is not work product and not available under FOIA requests.

But this court order says both your personal phone and email are part of the investigation and work product.

FOP and PBPA better be standing in front of another judge stopping this or the IPRA, IAD and IG WILL BE DEAN ING
THESE FORMS OF COMMUNICATIONS.

8/17/2016 12:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are wholly owned by the CPD, the City of Chicago, and Cook County.

None of the Bill of Rights, nor the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, a Fifteenth Amendments apply.

Except YOUR Lives Don't Matter!

8/17/2016 12:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This country, state, city and department are ran by corrupted politicians and department brass who suck up to the corrupted politicians

8/17/2016 12:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jesus Christ officers DONT BE STUPID. TOM BRADY HAD MORE SENSE WITH THE NFL INVESTIGATORS HE DIDNT TURN OVER SHIT!!!!! City don't supply these phones and the city don't pay the bills!!!! Discard the Devi e, put them in a spouses name not the police and just plain throw them away!!! It's funny people were up in arms about San Bernadino and helping FBI unlock a phone ,lost were against it but now they want police officers phones
G O F U CK Y O U R S E L F!!!!!!

8/17/2016 12:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fop should be sending out notice that all rank and file members are now directed not to use their personal
cell phones during their tour of duty. This will be used against department members. Count on it.


They can tell your exact position and duration of call or text? Or if your surfing the Internet. On duty?

I know I have used this information on felony cases.

8/17/2016 12:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have several phones on my plan, wife, kids, ect, do they get all of them and then can I claim them all on my taxes.

8/17/2016 12:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have been telling Officers for years not to use their personal cell phones to make notifications. Leave the phones in your locker. Use a pay phone or drive into the station, and since a pay phone is hard to find these days take the slow ride into the station. Maybe now they will start listening to this old dog!

8/17/2016 12:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Someone needs to FOIA all of the AG's Emails on this decision.

All of them!

8/17/2016 12:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Going and buying a flip phone tonight.

8/17/2016 12:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Getting close to resigning without even having 20 years....I used to think the danger came from the "bad guys" Whats a bad guy to the police? The Mayor, The Media, The Sup? This is not the job I took over a decade ago. Maybe I should cut my losses and move....thoughts...reasons to stay?

8/17/2016 12:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So what do others recommend? Should we leave our phones in our lockers? Should we get a burner or throw away phone? Time to delete all social media I guess

8/17/2016 12:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is true. Everything electronic is discoverable, unless your name is Clinton.

8/17/2016 01:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Time to go have a friend go to walmart and get you a tracfone that you pay cash for. Just like the banhers and da joo attorneys use.
Time to get your smart fone out of your name and give it to family only.
Carry 2 phones, 1 for work that you can loose if needed, and one in someone elses name that is used for family and such.

And don't you even think of using your cell to call the area for notifications or to call the dss.
Use the radio like it was meant for.

8/17/2016 01:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And no, you cannot claim that you don't have a cell phone or email.

Don't be stupid.

8/17/2016 01:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a fucking no-brainer. My cell phone fell in the toilet while I was taking a shit. (make sure it has pieces of your turd on it when you turn in this shit encrusted stinky useless electronic paper weight). Oh..... I dropped my phone when I was mowing my lawn and my lawn mower chewed it up. I was at the health club and a fucking muscle head dropped a 50lb weight on it. The excuses are limitless. Let these pricks work for it.

8/17/2016 01:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I never took a dick pic before, but I just did now

8/17/2016 01:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We now have less rights than a criminal illegal alien sneaking over the border. The job is toast.

8/17/2016 01:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you're stupid enough to turn in a telephone with any....repeat any incriminating bullshit that can be used against you you are dumb as a box of rocks.

8/17/2016 01:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FOP Where Are You! You better be fighting against this shit! Immediately!

8/17/2016 01:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would imagine they would have to prove your cell phone was present and at the scene before they could request a warrant. The department just lost more manpower down in the station making notifications on city land lines....something that the P.O. provided to the dept. as a courtesy.

I think American Citizen rights were just violated. Illegal search and seizure.

City phone ok. Private phone not ok. city body cam ok, private body cam...not allowed?????? if we can have a smartphone, why cant we have our own body camera to film the dealers on the corner and gang activity. Why cant those videos we film be released immediately so that citizens who are not usually exposed to gang crime can actually see what we are up against and vote accordingly. That would be true transparency.

Film the bad guys in action and show the public. Release the E.T. pictures of all the homicide victims..Immediately....I'm a citizen and I demand transparency to see what crimes have occurred in the city and state I pay big taxes. You show police shooting videos which make up much less than 1% of the death that occurs. If the people want to see see something, show them what the bad guys do! How about that angle Scc?

8/17/2016 01:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So as long as we must turn over cell phones, let's be fair, therefore everyone who took the last lieutenant's test or was involved with the process should be required also. Who do we see to get the ball rolling on that. And as long as this applies to the police it should apply to all elected officials.

8/17/2016 01:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where should we move to? Honestly, where does law matter in this nation? Where is the best place? Any suggestions with some research to back them up....Id like to get out while my house is worth something...you see Detroit?

8/17/2016 01:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Would someone please answer this?
If a copper was on scene, but didn't use his phone at all, how can they force you to give up your phone/personal property?

8/17/2016 01:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So if anyone cares to explain I would appreciate it. The way it sounds is if I don't use your personal cell phone for any notification whatsoever at any scene your phone will not be requested?
Is making notifications by a land line Or whatever enough not to have your phone looked through?

8/17/2016 01:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Soon these commies will have your children turn you in. Welcome to North Korea!

8/17/2016 01:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"First up, the FOP and the PBPA ought to be filing injunctions against this immediately."
Sir, do you get the feeling that FOP is not a viable entity? Father whats-his is calling down blather.

8/17/2016 01:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Phil the Thrill said...

Transfer your pictures to the cloud, write down your phone numbers and put them in a new phone . Let them do the work to get the info and then sue them for violation of your civil rights-one of the amendments covers warrant less searches

8/17/2016 01:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

****Every day they make me more and more fetal

8/17/2016 01:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FOP HELLO!!!

8/17/2016 01:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if those are discoverable why not the Offender McDonalds Email, Social media, and other records available to the defense of the victim (J.D.). Also include the family members that get paid out. It does lend to their credibility. Seems like the field is tilted. Where the transparency on the offenders life. Every instance where the police shoot an offender is predicated on the escalating acts of the offender. Slashing car tires, waiving a knife while posturing an aggressive manner, leading officers on high speed chases in stolen cars and driving at them, baseball bats. About the only thing I think ram has said, is we are fetal. That might have been a mistake but it was a good signal to go fetal if you aren't yet.

8/17/2016 02:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On the personal cell phones, new phrase everyone needs to memorize:

#1. "Make me." And #2, "Talk to my lawyer."

Email sent and received on department property, eh, you're screwed. Hopefully you already knew better.

8/17/2016 02:37:00 AM  
Blogger americanlt said...

Can we get a group of pro-police judges? Instead we wish for Peggy and probable cause. I dealt with Judge Luckman for years. And watched him put a late defendant in lock up.

8/17/2016 02:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your an officer who has just shot an offender you say nothing and ask to be taken to the hospital for psychological treatment once at the hospital you say nothing to no one other then your attorney. Once you feel better you and your attorney give a statement. No other phone calls, text or emails.

8/17/2016 03:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The scumbags have been using burners for years.

Why the fuck aren't you?

8/17/2016 03:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hillary can send top secret correspondence through her email and it's ok. You send or receive something untoward and they'll try to fire you, Hillary, she gets promoted to president by the lemmings.

How soon before what you write here becomes discoverable?

You idiots voted or neglected to vote and this is what we get.

8/17/2016 03:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What was old is new again! Hey Squad, hold me down as I go into the station to make my notifications! As I type right now, I'm deleting all city phone numbers from my cell phone! Dept. wants quick notification, fuck you give me a dept. cell phone!

8/17/2016 04:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Judge knows that you are probably not emailing while on the scene. Calls and texts but not emailing so basically this is a witch hunt. They are fishing. I always thought that there had to be some sort of evidence that you were doing something wrong in order for the court to make this kind of decision. They shouldn't be using the courts to do the investigation. The attorneys should be conducting the investigation then bringing some evidence to the judge. Unions should definately fight this. But they won't because the Ade is close to retirement so he won't screw anything up for uis future and the other hack, well I don't see him doing anything either. Hanging us out to dry. Guess I won't be using my cell phone from the scene anymore and I will make it clear on the air. But if anything happens, they will still get my phone if they use this logic. They will say I sent calls, texts, emails after the incident to conspire. Even if it's days after. They will still get it. And if I use a burner phone, they will still want all all my phones and they will get them. Screwed no matter what.

8/17/2016 04:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Back to the old school days and before you hairgels and cell phones were around!

Squad, hold me down relocating into the station to make notifications!

Dispatch, don't you have a cell phone?

Squad, I don't do city business on my personal cell phone anymore! See court order!

More time out of the day being down and off the streets!

Oh by the way, FUCK YOU Lawyers and the Criminal Courts!

Da Pelon KMA 20+

8/17/2016 04:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Da police have no rights just da criminals Stay Fetal my friends

8/17/2016 05:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you even have a UNION? Other than a place to send your DUES I mean? I thought the trades had some screwed up representation but you guys get the shaft from both ends. Stay safe.

8/17/2016 05:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bullshit ruling but make it work in your favor. See Tom Brady if you're not technologically advanced. Prepaid phones, proxy numbers, g.v, 3rd party calling apps. Make them work for it. Bring in your brand new gsm phone with little or no usage.

8/17/2016 05:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe after every ruling judges phones should be subpeanoed? See what these pricks are saying.

8/17/2016 05:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does this mean the FOP can FOIA Rahm Emanuel's emails?

Why not?

Go for the throat. Make them live up to their standards!
Alinsky rules for everyone!

8/17/2016 05:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I forgot to mention that just because Lisa Madigan issues an opinion or ruling does not make it law. This is a constitutiional issue and a politician from the Madigan family more likely will not arrive at the correct conclusion. But if Mrs. Clinton is allowed the opportunity to appoint big government Supreme Court justices to that bench, we are in trouble. Citizens will suffer another big government errosion of civil rights and she will continue to skate above the law.

8/17/2016 06:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I repeat! No one ever got in trouble for talking too little. Not in the car, on the Cell phone, or a booth in Mayor's Row.

8/17/2016 06:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC, you have stated many times that officers are not below the law. You are right. They seem to be the unfair TARGETS of the law. If officers have to turn over all private records, why stop there? Include all offenders, witnesses, bosses, all attorneys, all judges, aldermen, the mayor, state and federal representatives, and POTUS records too. THE MEMO clearly says REMAIN FETAL, lest your entire life end up on an autopsy table, with the world scrutinizing it. So if there are no shooting, stops, contacts or etc, the law itself will be invalid. There should be a significant raise in order since officers are now officially married to the department....but we know how that will turn out. Xxxyyyzzz

8/17/2016 06:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FOP needs to issue a FOIA request for the last 10 years of Lisa Madigans personal email/cell phone records.

8/17/2016 06:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's fine. I want people to start filing motions for discovery for all calls, emails-gov and personal, texts, etc from every subject matter expert regarding all promotional exams going back to 1999. These are The People's property. The People's emails. There is no expectation of privacy when discussing who get more of The People's Money via a undeserved promotion. All promotions too! From Detective, ET all the way to Chief.

8/17/2016 06:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is totally ridiculous and using eddies words makes us very "uncomfortable" will they expose mcnaughtons cell phone and email records also? Or is that ok he is a retired clouted boss getting a 6 figure pension? Then last night Trump exposed the crime in Chicago and went all out talking about police and had the phenomenon sheriff David Clarke on hanitys show commenting:
http://youtu.be/NgNofUyM_Xw

This is without a doubt the best pro-police speech ever thank you and God bless Donald Trump and bless police everywhere during these biased anti-police times. When Trump correctly states the media is dishonest 1 look at how police are bastardized everywhere Trump is totally correct again!

8/17/2016 06:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes detectives came to Rogers park two days ago that they can know grab your cell phone. WTF? Where is our union? In bed with Rahm.

8/17/2016 06:31:00 AM  
Blogger Mr. SouthSide said...

Wake up Deano. Get on this.

8/17/2016 06:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lisa Madigan should have her cell phone conversations with her father made public.

8/17/2016 06:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A judge cannot make such a broad judicial order. One, the takings clause of the Constitution says the government cannot take private property without compensation...so if they take it they must pay you. Next, the Constitution also protects against unlawful seizure of ones property. Warrantless seizures, like searches, are presumed a violation unless it falls within an exception. What exception could this possibly fall under? And even if a judge decided to execute a warrant the particularity clause prohibits any such warrant that provides for a blanket taking of ones property. Sorry, the Constitution protects everyone. If someone asks for your personal cell phone just say no and call a lawyer. Sorry political hack judge...I'll take my chances.

8/17/2016 06:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Barry's master plan in the works. No mention of the citizens of Milwaukee acting stupidly.

8/17/2016 07:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does that include ALL of the bosses' communications?

8/17/2016 07:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know that I want to stay for 20, and it's only a couple years away.

8/17/2016 07:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Welcome to the club boys and girls.

It's perfectly okay for a Stingray device to intrude on the personal communications of citizens to then later be used to build a case around the evidence gathered without a warrant. Right?

I see nothing different here.

How's that saying go again.. Oh yeah if you're not doing anything wrong you should have nothing to hide.

Don't forget to vote FOUR MORE YEARS!

8/17/2016 07:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When you are told to call the W\C, go right on the air and say relocating to hospital or wherever to make the call. Lunch runs, station assignments, etc. Do not use your personal cell phone for anything on this job. It will make your day go faster.

8/17/2016 07:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Your electronic life has just become an open book to the government and to plaintiff attorneys. You only get a pass if your last name is "Clinton."

And, unless a judge puts a gag order out regarding your case, everyone in the world can know your personal business by the plaintiff's atty talking about your cell/email records.

8/17/2016 07:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

keep voting democratic and you get what you deserve.

STUPIDITY!!!

8/17/2016 07:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Big brother is now watching you. You have no private life. Facebook away. You are now an open book. What's next? Thought control.

8/17/2016 07:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Just think.

Perhaps 2017 will be the year that these autopilot features in cars will be perfected enough to roll out in CPD squads.

What does this mean for CPD?

Whelp, I guess Rahm can get inflatable cops stick 'em in the drivers seat and program the car to drive around the beat.

After all it's all about imagery and visibility right?

No pension worries. No healthcare worries. No wage demand worries. No union....All our worries are over /sarc

8/17/2016 07:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

keep an old, wiped phone and hand it over if asked, locked with a dead battery. or put the old phone in a bucket of water for a day or so, saying it fell out of your pocket into the crapper. they can get the records anyway from your provider, make them work or pay for it.

This is wrong on so many levels, time to fight back--where is Dean on this?

8/17/2016 07:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is an issue that needs to be on the front burner with ALL our unions. Total invasion of privacy. What if I don't even bring my phone to the scene of a shooting ? Very serious issue that needs attention immediately. First it will be on the scene of a shooting. Then it will be a bs Cr, etc.

8/17/2016 07:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hate to drag this guy out, but we need clarification



This isn't the first time cell phones have been subpoenaed in police shootings - the baseball bat shooting in 011 resulted in some embarrassing messages being revealed that were SENT to, not BY the officers.




Can some one get us more info on this specific matter. I dont care about what the message read. But we all should be interested in the time frame.

8/17/2016 07:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1.) Do not use your phone or e-mail for Dept. business.

2.) Avoid so-called "crime scenes" as much as possible.

8/17/2016 07:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And the war on Police by the Democrats and their legions has escalated again. When are officers going to realize how important their votes and their friends and families votes are. DO NOT VOTE FOR ANY DEMOCRAT!

8/17/2016 07:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My advice to all officers affected by this is to consult an attorney, immediately.

8/17/2016 07:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Time to get another phone.

8/17/2016 07:49:00 AM  
Blogger john said...

Spent sometime doing a few wires, phones, etc. I will give you my opinion.
1. I would never call a city number with my personal cell phone- otherwise, you risk the city from having your number.
2. I would never call another police officer with that phone- if he or she contacts the city- same risk.
3. Going to the scene of a shooting- if your phone is on- a cell tower dump will locate all the "on" cell phones in the area.
4. If you think a throw away phone is completely safe - you are wrong- just get the mudds and tolls on the phone and get the subscribers off that- all of that -you need subpoenas but no real problem. If you have a throw away you will contact wife, friends, girl friends.etc.
Since it has been a while, I no longer remember the length of time that the companies keep the text messages. If I remember correctly, it May be a year.

Stay Safe and remember - Phones are good for one thing only- ordering pizzas.

old retired guy

8/17/2016 07:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yup, come this contract negotiation we are going to lose more of our constitutional rights. We won't even be considered Second class citizens. But if this is going to be allowed and becomes case law. I want Eddies, Rham, all those lietenants, the IG, fuck I even want Lisa Madigans personal emails and phones! Fucking country is a joke if Hillary is the commander in thief.

8/17/2016 07:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Night man said...

Well, the city better install some fucking call boxes throughout the city again!

8/17/2016 07:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Man in custody after shooting at, grazing Chicago police officer in Rosemoor

"A man is in custody after being accused of firing shots at Chicago police officers and grazing one officer in the face Tuesday night in the Rosemoor neighborhood on the Far South Side, police said.

"The incident started just after 10 p.m. as 22nd District patrol officers investigated a possible carjacking near 103rd Street and Lowe Avenue, according to police.

"The officers saw a vehicle that fit the description and tried to stop it, but the driver stuck a gun out the window and fired shots at their squad car while driving in the 600 block of East 100th Place, according to a statement from the Chicago Police Department.

"One bullet struck the squad car and grazed an officer in the face.

"Officers in a nearby police squad car observed the shooting and returned gunfire. The suspect fired multiple times at the second squad car as well, Chicago police Superintendent Eddie Johnson said.

"The suspect was not hit, but he crashed in the 10000 block of South Eggleston Avenue and tried to run away. Officers took the man, who is on parole, into custody a short time later, according to a police source. A 9mm handgun was recovered at the scene, police said.

"The wounded police officer, who is in his early 30s, was taken to Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn. His injury was not life-threatening, Johnson said. No one else was injured in the shooting."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-police-officer-wounded-20160816-story.html

8/17/2016 07:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

this is all Lisa Madigan's doing, time for a dept wide non cooperation with her agency


another winner of the genetic lottery, if it wasn't for Mikey adopting her, she'd be doing real estate closings in Will County

8/17/2016 07:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where the hell is the FOP at? Is there anyone that oversees lodge 7??? Can we get someone who knows how to fight an overreaching government...?

8/17/2016 07:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How the fuck can they demand EVERYONE ON SCENES personal phone?

8/17/2016 08:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fuck this nonsense.
I'll either use a carrier pigeon for my notifications or they're going to have to wait until I can make my notifications in person.

We've got far less rights than the criminals.
Talk about ass backwards. It's all part of the witch hunt.

8/17/2016 08:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy

8/17/2016 08:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

https://www.hushmail.com/?l=19

8/17/2016 08:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can bet they are listening to your phones and have hacked them too.pretty easy to do now days.

8/17/2016 08:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Holy cow. This is absolutely insane. The police are under no obligation whatsoever to allow access to their cellphones or personal email without a warrant. Department issued devices, fine. Person means exactly that. Personal.

It will be interesting to see the ACLU's take on this. If fought (and won by the powers-that-be) it could create a scary precedent for not only police officers, government workers etc, but for the public as well.

8/17/2016 08:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess the Judge was sick the day they taught law at law school.

The fourth amendment ring a bell? the first amendment? The fifth amendment? The 6th amendment? The 9th amendment? the 14th amendment? Arguments could be made for violations of all 6.


In the meantime, give them an old, wiped phone with a dead battery---make them have to work at it

8/17/2016 08:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I remember this issue came up a month or so ago. A commenter weighed in with a comment that went something like this.

Set up a phone number with Google voice. Have all callers calling you call your google voice number, and have your google voice number forwarded to your cell phone. That way, the only thing that ever shows up on your cell phone as a calls received is your google voice number, not the actual callers number.

Supposedly, the reverse is possible as well. When you want to make an outbound call, you call your google voice number and google voice calls the number you wish to speak to. Thus, all outbound calls on your cell phone will only show your google voice number.

And what if they wanted to subpoena your google voice records? Supposedly google voice does not keep records. Supposedly.

I haven't tried any of this because I have no need to, but as a techno geek, I thought it was pretty cool. I'd say its worth looking into to protect your privacy.

Call the next case. Not a cop.

8/17/2016 08:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow.......just when you thought it couldn't get any worse.......everyone out there needs to READ this and UNDERSTAND what it means.....and each and every one of them ought to be consulting a lawyer.......there is no way that OUR personal lives from cradle to grave need to be opened up, poked through, and SHAT upon.....

FOP needs that fancy lawyer staff to get on this NOW!

8/17/2016 08:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I also own my son's and daughter in law's phone since they are on my att account, do the asshole lawyers get those also?

We need a warrant to look at shithead's phone, but slimeball, cop hating civil and defense lawyers get free rein to look at all my texts, emails and pictures?

Wrong, just plain wrong

8/17/2016 08:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just a heads up.

Some coppers put personal data on social media but keep in mind that in today's war on cops that is not too smart.

Social media users target cop involved in Milwaukee shooting

Aug. 17, 2016 - 2:06 - Rich Edson reports from Wisconsin

Video report:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5086693140001/social-media-users-target-cop-involved-in-milwaukee-shooting/?#sp=show-clips

8/17/2016 08:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...



The Labor day weekend VRI 1600hr start time scab list is now posted on I Clear. Sickening.


Post it scc post .. There is no unity in this shittybass department

8/17/2016 08:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't forget, if you use you phone to post on this blog - it's discoverable

8/17/2016 08:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Proton email is free with end-to-end encryption. Signal enables end-to-end encrypted chat. Wireless personal security is a choice

8/17/2016 09:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the idiot that says go to the hospital for psychological treatment, you are way wrong. Don't open yourself up to your FOID card being taken away. If that happens, you are not employable. Physical ailments only.

8/17/2016 09:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well what about RAhM's phone and his kid's case, and who know what in the admenstration about the mc donald case.

Suddenly lisa madigan gets involved, like to see her father, cullerton's and burke's e mails about property tax appeals and the state budget, lets really get transparent.

Until a judge orders the phone surrendered, who owns it and what happens to it, well it was taken or lost, I don't have it.

8/17/2016 09:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What are the requirements to obtain an Obama phone? I'm I eligible if I work for a living?

8/17/2016 09:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All this to as usual "attack the police" the line between total and utter thug and illegal invaders anarchy and you constantly attack police! Watched this video sent to me Trump wow really speaks out pro-police he really sincerely has the backs of law enforcement and the military,as a matter of fact he has the backs of honest taxpaying citizens don't believe it watch this:

http://youtu.be/NgNofUyM_Xw

Hannity even has the great sheriff David Clarke commenting that is a real man a real boss that can be respected.

Then we have crooked hillary who cannot even stand up, who during her convention had the moms of thugs that tried to kill police front and center,as well as campaigning with these same people pandering to the felons, look here propped up if she gets elected (praying everyday she loses in a landslide to Trump) America will change even more for the worse:

http://heatst.com/politics/must-see-photos-of-hillary-clinton-propped-up-on-pillows/

May god bless all these officers,and think that this will lead to other coppers in the texts, they want us to be fetal so stay fetal!!

8/17/2016 09:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have 160 days left ( YES I am counting ). The only good thing, besides retiring with a 70% pension is that I will just get out under the wire with free health care. I will be in the next to last group retiring under the 55 and out clause.

8/17/2016 09:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well since we arrived here might as well play along. I would like all correspondence between the corporation counsel and opposing attorneys on every law suit I was named in. I would like all text messages, phone calls, memos, and emails from every alderman who ruled in a payout of city funds to opposing attorneys and their clients involving a lawsuit with my name attached. If we're going to be transparent I want it to be glass. I want all phone numbers, emails, memos, and text messages sent between the state appellate court and Professor Karen Daniels of Northwestern including Jon Lovey's communications with the above listed regarding a civil suit in which I was named and the city paid using city funds.
This could be fun.
I'm scanning the stock market on beeper companies!

TEN

8/17/2016 09:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now is the time , FOP ,PBPA
Request all personal ,city cel phone records
Starting the day of McDonald shooting to the day the Police Officer was indicted
From the detectives investigating , IPRA investigators , supervisors , mayor bodyguards The mayor , Carly , city hall and home telephone
How can IPRA be independent if ballerina is telephoning them
Now special Ed and the gang bangers , alderman , reverends ,mayor when police board failed to give ballerina the names he wanted as police stumper intending

8/17/2016 09:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Would someone please answer this?
If a copper was on scene, but didn't use his phone at all, how can they force you to give up your phone/personal property?


It's a fishing expedition by the department. Just try and do that to the jagoffs you just locked up and you would be in a world of shit.

The department and the city are betting that you won't take action on this. And even if you did, they would harass you in ways you couldn't begin to believe.

8/17/2016 09:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now is the time , FOP ,PBPA
Request all personal ,city cel phone records
Starting the day of McDonald shooting to the day the Police Officer was indicted
From the detectives investigating , IPRA investigators , supervisors , mayor bodyguards The mayor , Carly , city hall and home telephone
How can IPRA be independent if ballerina is telephoning them
Now special Ed and the gang bangers , alderman , reverends ,mayor when police board failed to give ballerina the names he wanted as police stumper intending
Include cook county pres prewinkie , Kim fox and Anita
Lots of back room deals to hold video tape until after mayor tutu election

8/17/2016 09:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is crazy. So if I want to upgrade my phone and trade in my old one I can't just because I showed up at some seen. Wtf!! Do we have any lawyers on our side??

8/17/2016 09:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I second: Leave it in your locker powered off. If your family cant do w/o you for a tour of duty, you need to retrain them. I've been witness to some incessant wifey calls over the years and think wtf? Figure it out, Honey. . . .he's working.

8/17/2016 09:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here are the autopsy results on felon that ran from police after trying to hit officers with 4,000# speeding car,

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-paul-oneal-autopsy-20160817-story.html

Now they are examining cell phones and private emails? Did fop go to court to stop this with an immediate judges order? Does anyone who say "we support police" in power do anything but pay lip service? the only powerful person speaking out in favor of us and law and order is Trump, also Sheriff Clarke and of course Rudy former mayor of New York. Trump spoke our yesterday bigtime and he also spoke to the black community who have 58% black male unemployment but yet keep voting for the same old democrats like clinton that keep them down, keep them in jail,keep them in poverty!

barry obama is also destroying America giving away our interent control, he is flooding this country with illegals, throwing our hard earned tax dollars away, and clinton will be worse:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/america-to-hand-off-internet-in-under-two-months/article/2599521

Talk about cyber terrorism again the democrats want to completely gut and destroy America!

8/17/2016 09:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I retired in 2015, I always carried a cell phone and never used for any police call I would drive to hospital or station, not my problem how long it took. also never logged on to dept email. If you think they are going to confiscate your phone its well worth losing it and buying a new one. if your sending even personal emails or anything via computers or phones that you wouldn't want read by the public, real easy don't send. if your on Facebook for anything other than communicating with friends and family that live far away then your probably too far gone. In my opinion you shouldn't be on Facebook at all!!!!!

8/17/2016 09:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They better equip every car with carrier pigeons.
That, or in person, is the only way I'll have any type of communication while working.

8/17/2016 10:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Fyi-

The Labor day weekend VRI 1600hr start time scab list is now posted on I Clear. Sickening.

8/17/2016 12:28:00 AM

Do tell!
It really needs to be posted on this blogspot.

8/17/2016 10:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Food for thought -- the "gray area" may have just expanded...

Police Can Use a Legal Grey Area to Rob Anyone of Their Belongings

When officers categorize wallets or cellphones as evidence, getting them back can be nearly impossible—even if the owner isn’t charged with a crime.

Lucy Nicholson / Reuters / Aug 15, 2016

"Last summer, Kenneth Clavasquin was arrested in front of the Bronx apartment he shared with his mother. While the 23-year-old was being processed, the New York Police Department took his possessions, including his iPhone, and gave him a receipt detailing the items in police custody. That receipt would be his ticket to getting back his stuff after his case ended.

"But the recovery process would soon turn into a nightmare. Clavasquin’s case was dismissed on December 8, 2015, and one day later, he took a court document proving the dismissal to the NYPD property clerk’s office. He was told that the department had classified his possessions as arrest evidence, to give the district attorney the option of considering them in the case. But the district attorney didn’t, and now that the case was over, the classification meant Clavasquin was about to enter a bureaucratic obstacle course.

"Clavasquin needed to get a release from the district attorney’s office stating that his property would no longer be needed for evidence. Over the following three months, he repeatedly called the assistant district attorney assigned to his case, but he neither got a release nor a written explanation of why he was being denied one.

"Then, with the help of an attorney at the Bronx Defenders, a public-defender office that had been representing him since the day after his arrest, Clavasquin sent a formal written request for the district attorney’s release. He got no response.

"Clavasquin still hasn’t gotten his phone back — but he had to continue paying for its service contract as it remained locked up in an NYPD facility..."

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/08/how-police-use-a-legal-grey-area-to-rob-suspects-of-their-belongings/495740/

8/17/2016 10:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do they still sell beepers?

8/17/2016 10:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My STRONG recommendation to all coppers is to get rid of your phone! Have your parents open up the line for you & carry a flip pay as you go fone for work. If you are involved in a shooting immediately say you don't feel well & need to go to the hospital wait for the FOP or your lawyer erase ALL pertinent texts pics etc that need erasing while you are sitting at the hospital because they will go thru everything & subpoena phone records

8/17/2016 10:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OH BOY

sometimes you guys are simple...
You will be ordered to to a to from.
you will be asked if you have a cell phone,the phone number,and the carrier of service.
Your sergeant will also do a to from and state you called him with that number.

The states attorney will then subpoena the records or worse case IAD will order you in commanders office and order you to TURN OVER EVIDENCE.

BUT
once this door is open all criminal cases will want the phones of the arresting officer.

So FOP time to ask for company phones sign them out and turn them in at end of watch. Don't worry RAHM would pay 200 a month for an old trac phone with no internet plan.

8/17/2016 10:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You're crying "Where is the FOP?"

Fuck that!!!

Where the FUCK is the ACLU???

Oh, it's against the police. Who cares?

8/17/2016 10:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Big brother is now watching you. You have no private life. Facebook away. You are now an open book. What's next? Thought control."

8/17/2016 07:15:00 AM

Here, Zuckerberg's terrifying vision of the future.

https://tinyurl.com/jz38brl

Everyone jammed together on folding chairs but unable to see the person next to them -- with Z. himself walking the floor, in charge and grinning like a fool.

...and yes, they ARE working on telepathy as the next step.

8/17/2016 10:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Call the aclu. Because they would complain if we did this to all the (non) witnesses at all of our crime scenes.

8/17/2016 10:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Van Dyke's case can't get Laquan's juvenile record though. Amazing

8/17/2016 10:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Squad, I don't do city business on my personal cell phone anymore! See court order!"

8/17/2016 04:51:00 AM

My heart beats for the city, yo, and I want to protect the city and keep its official business private. My personal cell is not certified secure for such uses. Issue me an encrypted, secure city phone, or I will be forced to go into the station and use the phone there to help keep America safe.

*

8/17/2016 10:39:00 AM  
Anonymous jill said...


Supreme Court requires warrants for cell phone searches

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/06/25/supreme-court-requires-warrants-for-cell-phone-searches-on-arrest/?utm_term=.08bba1487558

8/17/2016 10:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lisa Madigan's father Michael Madigan, Speaker of the Illinois House of Representatives, does not have his own cell phone. Even the I-Team could not locate a phone but he has been observed borrowing other people's phones. What does dirty Mike Madigan know that we don't?

http://abc7chicago.com/archive/9130032/

8/17/2016 10:41:00 AM  
Anonymous jill said...

Federal Judge attacks and threatens Police Union from the bench. He says he does not give a dam about union contracts!

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/08/16/federal_judge_to_seattle_police_union_black_lives_matter.html

8/17/2016 10:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is an old phrase from WWII "Loose lips sink ships." Still very appropriate and don't be on the ship that is sunk.

8/17/2016 10:42:00 AM  
Blogger Retired-On-Duty said...

Tell the officers to make notifications over the air or on a department cell phone or landline. There should no longer be a need for speed.

-----------------

The problem is even if you use a department cell phone (we have them in 014 and 006) A judge CAN STILL order your personal phone be turned over just to have it examined..

Hello?

FOP ? ? ? ?

8/17/2016 10:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How the fuck can they demand EVERYONE ON SCENES personal phone?

8/17/2016 08:00:00 AM

--------

WAKE UP !!

The communists have taken over the county.

Just wait 3 years down the line once Clinton is in office.

FUCK doing any police work (BTW.. exactly what the communists want! )

8/17/2016 10:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They will just see that I watch Netflix the whole tour. I'll wipe any scandalous material beforehand and may even just smash it to pieces in a "gym accident."

Yet another act to piss and shit all over us and you still have stooges out there hustling for numbers. Damned fools

8/17/2016 10:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where's the fuckin' ACLU on this? What about the 4th amendment? OR the 5th as far as that goes.

8/17/2016 10:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
So what do others recommend? Should we leave our phones in our lockers? Should we get a burner or throw away phone? Time to delete all social media I guess

If you still have social media you are behind, but it's nice to see you waking up welcome to the discussion.

8/17/2016 10:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Your an officer who has just shot an offender you say nothing and ask to be taken to the hospital for psychological treatment once at the hospital you say nothing to no one other then your attorney. Once you feel better you and your attorney give a statement. No other phone calls, text or emails.

This is what is taught in CCL classes. Makes good sense.

8/17/2016 11:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic: all New York fire trucks ordered to remove the United States flag because they are a liability. We are spinning down the drain as a country. No Borders! No language! No culture! Thank you B.H.O. & crew.

8/17/2016 11:01:00 AM  
Blogger BirdsnBlooms1 said...

Ig-pay at-in-lay????

8/17/2016 11:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just curious. Why can't you open an email account or cell phone with an alias or a name that can't be linked to you. Scammers do it all the time.
Then just have one in your name that you seldom use. How does or would the city know your email address or cell phone number unless you gave it to them? Just asking

8/17/2016 11:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks Lisa! Thanks Mr. Mike! Less rights than the criminals...It's your city now.

Enjoy it, all of it. No more democrats for me. Don't bother ringing the bell anymore.

8/17/2016 11:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

maybe this will wake up the command staff to put this constant nagging for immediate phone notifications to bed.

8/17/2016 11:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The new Amerika

8/17/2016 11:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CROOK COUNTY ELECTED REFS (JUDGES) the best money could buy --- corrupt system if douche Hiliary could erase so can we FUK U CROOK COUNTY!!!!!!!!!!

8/17/2016 11:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You mean the phone I use to talk to my children?

Screw you, no friggin' way.

Rahm is going to have to give us phones.

8/17/2016 11:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

JagMal Green, Lemon Reccord, and several other activists/protesters/all around assholes have made their fb / Instagram pages private. With that said, I don't know how they will let the masses know of their protests / community unrest events.

8/17/2016 11:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who is the judge that ordered this?

I have to question this judicial order. Seizing your personal property (cell phone) because you were at a shooting scene?

I hope to God that the FOP is all over this one. (but somehow I doubt it)

I hope these officers attorneys are all over this.

Hell, they can seize your cell phone because you were at a police shooting scene, when does it end. Will they seize your phone whenever they want?


Leave your phones in your locker.

Don't carry your phones until this is resolved in the court system.

WOW!!!



8/17/2016 11:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is it true that they can not learn what was said in voice communications, only text and written messages?

8/17/2016 12:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Paper Car... Take your time on the scene, get all the proper information (as long as it takes) then go back to the station to handle the paper and use the DEPT phone for notification. If the notification is 5 hours later, so be it. For all the hairgels and molly vest skinny jeans brightest flashlight officers, take your timeeeee to calls and stop racing over there acting like your going to save the world. Faster you step into the shit, the longer it takes to step out.

8/17/2016 12:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CPD officers have, for years, used cell phones for cop business to avoid having things said over the air that you don't want to come back and bite you later. Everyone knows this-what would you expect and why keep doing it.

8/17/2016 12:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So the FBI can't get apple to give them the code to break into a terrorists phone but I would have to give mine to the city?

8/17/2016 12:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!!! WHERE IS THE FOP? This unbelievable

8/17/2016 12:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Call the ACLU

8/17/2016 12:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey geniuses, it does not matter if you reset, delete, break, or burn your phone! ALL YOUR TEXTS, pictures texted, phone calls, emails, etc are stored by your phone company.

8/17/2016 12:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Fyi-

The Labor day weekend VRI 1600hr start time scab list is now posted on I Clear. Sickening.

8/17/2016 12:28:00 AM
Print it or take picture with cell phone send to scc we will report you decide what rats! Hey Dean got balls throw them out of union we are behind you! To the rats your either with us or against us!

8/17/2016 12:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Old Retired Detective. Back in the day when there was no cell phones etc., when you received a radio call from CW which stated call the office. We called the office from the victim's home, a place of business, a hospital, and if necessary a pay phone. If you do carry a personal phone I would suggest that you don't use the phone for Police Business. I have been off the job of a while but if there is no general order stating you have to have a cell phone and you have to use it in the performance of your duties then I don't believe anyone can have a problem of not using your personal phone. If there is an order whether or not a general order, department special order, or a detective division order then I would copy the order and then take the cost of the phone of your income tax. If you get audited for this deduction, I would show the auditor the order and argue it is a legitimate tax deduction. If a supervisor gives you a oral order then I would requests that the supervisor put that requests in writing. If the supervisor is dumb enough to put that request on paper then I would immediately file a grievance against the supervisor. If the supervisor says he/she will not put the request on paper then disregard the order.

8/17/2016 12:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
If you have an iPhone, activate the find my iPhone feature. Can remotely wipe your phone. Text messages and emails are still available though from your cellphone company and email provider.

8/17/2016 12:23:00 AM

Oh boy! How will they get around that show stopper?

8/17/2016 12:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Almost every other police department I know has had phones in their patrol cars for years.

When Terry Hilliard was Superintendent I asked him about this and he said no way was he going to give officers free use of phones in the field because they would abuse this. Rahm and company must still be thinking the same thing.

Unless approved minority vendor can give him a proper kickback at the taxpayers expense.

8/17/2016 12:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I have been telling Officers for years not to use their personal cell phones to make notifications. Leave the phones in your locker. Use a pay phone or drive into the station, and since a pay phone is hard to find these days take the slow ride into the station. Maybe now they will start listening to this old dog!

8/17/2016 12:45:00 AM

Officers think you are a conspiracy theorist and paranoid when you talk common sense. You how many burbs have unarmed recruits wearing no vest but driving marked cars during their training? I was one of them and other recruits laughed at me when I would put on my vest before dropping the car back at the station (an hour away). The department didn't teach me how to use the light switches, ISPERN or anything else.

8/17/2016 12:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting group of scabs who signed up to work vri labor day weekend. We need to post his list from clear in every district.

8/17/2016 12:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can we sue for 4th amendment violations? No, I'm not kidding at all. I know judges are immune from lawsuits but this is a flagrant violation of the 4th amendment, basic rights to privacy and due process.

8/17/2016 01:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What if my cell is in my wife's name.
++++

A lot of people have been saying this with great confidence and feeling of "ah huh, I got the solution!" Wrong. If you were in possession of the device, it's "evidence." Of course, we aren't afforded due process and protections for our property and privacy, which is insane. However, it this screwed up environment, they will still take the device. Now, if you say, "It's not mine, it's my wife's, I didn't have it" and they find out based on records, GPS, etc., you'll be hit with perjury, misconduct and god knows whatever BS charge. This job is ridiculous and impossible.

8/17/2016 01:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't give your phones up. This is going to end up before the Supreme Court. If the attorneys have not demonstrated that any sort of public record exists on your phone, they have absolutely no right to go into your phone. Fight this tooth and nail. That judge's order is severely violating the constitutional rights of any officer on the scene that was not using their phone for work purposes. This is the definition of a fishing expedition. I would ask them to articulate what reason they have to believe my phone contains public records related to the case. If not, fuck you. Let's go to court. We can't give up our rights willingly.

8/17/2016 01:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How would the department know if you had a cell phone that night or not?

8/17/2016 01:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IT's OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

8/17/2016 01:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Name the judges issuing these loony rulings and have the FOP get out the word to vote them out when they stand for retention.

It has been an awful long time since the police voted to oust a lousy judge.

8/17/2016 01:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can FOP get ahold of judge Hook's texts and emails to see if he is biased against White and Latino officers?

8/17/2016 01:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Welcome to the club boys and girls.

It's perfectly okay for a Stingray device to intrude on the personal communications of citizens to then later be used to build a case around the evidence gathered without a warrant. Right?

I see nothing different here.

How's that saying go again.. Oh yeah if you're not doing anything wrong you should have nothing to hide.

Don't forget to vote FOUR MORE YEARS!
8/17/2016 07:11:00 AM

Stingray technology not legal. Not the same as a judicial order.



8/17/2016 01:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A judicial order to turn over evidence is not rare at all. Either side in a criminal case can ask the judge to order evidence to be brought forth. Whatever side wants the evidence just has to convince the judge and they are pretty easy to convince regardless of whether a cop is involved or not.

8/17/2016 02:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How the fuck can they demand EVERYONE ON SCENES personal phone?
=========
the same way that a court can demand any other evidence. whoever wants it just has to convince the judge.

8/17/2016 02:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On no, they're gonna find out what a FREAK I am!

8/17/2016 02:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's my iPhone, but I seemed to have forgotten the password. Have the feebs write a program to unlock it.

8/17/2016 02:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess we should take Jimmy "The Gent" Burke's advice to Henry Hill. "Didn't I tell you to stay off the phones?"

8/17/2016 02:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not a cop here, but I see this as a complete invasion of privacy. Lisa Madigan should be ashamed of herself.

8/17/2016 02:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I called FOP today and I was asked, "How was I harmed?" The woman on the phone said that Dean is waiting for a call from Office of Legal Affairs. What a joke! More proof that Dean is in-bed with the Dept.

8/17/2016 02:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

(OT) looks like Hillary is done terrible health maybe God is shining the light helping Trump who loves the police and cares about America first to take the presidential office:

http://www.infowars.com/dr-drew-gravely-concerned-about-hillary-clintons-health/

8/17/2016 02:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Man, it's too bad you guys don't have a union to represent you when shit like this happens. Wait, what? You DO have a union??? WTF!!!

8/17/2016 03:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

An AG's opinion is not binding or the final word on anything. She can't decree what the law is. Her "opinion" can be challenged and subpoenas/discovery requests quashed if not actually lawful.

8/17/2016 03:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When is the cop hating BLM loving tribune going to make a FOIA request for the private calls between Rahm and Ferguson telling him to throw cops under the bus? Or conversations with Ipra and Rahm? Or conversations with EJ about the cheating stuff? Or Lisa's discussion with her crooked father via her personal phone? The tribune is solidly in Rahms pocket. Sickening.

8/17/2016 03:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was there at the shooting and writing this on a library computer so it won't be traced. Heard they were going to request our phones, well a couple of days ago my phone turned up missing. I made a report out, possibly stolen out of my vehicle or lost. I just hope it turns up so I can turn it in to help this investigation.

8/17/2016 03:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If your going to use a cell, get one those throw aways with a different name that can't be traced to you. Coppers now a days are lazy and stupid. The old timers alway said if you can't cover your tracks, don't do the act MF.

8/17/2016 03:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Go to Walgreens and purchase a phone and use a different name that well not come back to you. What in the hell is wrong with these new police always getting jammed up.

8/17/2016 04:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All supervisors (sgts. and above) should have Dept. issue cell phones. All official communications should occur on crime scenes only from those phones. The FOP and the PBPA should be united on pushing for this. Many smaller agencies already have cellies for all supervisors. The supervisors wouldn't have to take them home; they could sit in a community charger in the radio room, labelled "10 sector Sgt., 20 sector sgt., 30 sector sgt., Lt., Capt.). I think this will work out just fine, and will take the govt. out of officer's private cell phones.

8/17/2016 04:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Didn't you guys learn anything from Ollie North? Never say anything in email that you wouldn't want to see on the front page of the New York Times or have to answer for in a congressional hearing.

8/17/2016 04:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Before you start up on me...yes...I have only 6 years on the job. What did we do for notifications etc back in the 90's and early 00's when cell phones weren't as common as today? Were they made in the station and on the zone? Or did we use pay phones? I know it's probably a dumb question I would just like to know because I find it funny that there's a GO that restricts us from using personal electronic devices for duty oriented tasks yet we call dicks, cpic, LT, news affairs with our personal cell phones.

8/17/2016 04:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now that I am a retired OLD guy, I can remember clearly what the "old guys" use to tell us youngsters back in the day....kid don't put nothing on paper that you would want everyone to read...assume whatever you put on paper will be seen by the entire department and media, etc. I guess in this electronic world the same holds true. If you type it, text it email it somewhere its forever. There was a report sometime back that said (cant remember which company google, aol, etc.) that if you type a text or it may have been an email it is visible to the company, even if you delete it before sending. Be smart take advice from those that tell you to use a hospital phone, station phone or something other that your personal phone. save the jokes for the bar don't send or if possible receive them. Be careful but also be fetal.

8/17/2016 05:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a fucking joke. Fuck this job.

8/17/2016 05:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have Never seen so much Bullshit in my Life , Rahm is giving away the whole city to the Shit , Gary Indiana part 2 , that's what it will end up to be and look like , Thanks To Rahm

8/17/2016 05:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

guess lotsa folks going to change famblee name to Clinton (not ClAnton)

8/17/2016 05:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just say no. But if they get a court order you have to comply. Hair gels need to stop backing shit to the cloud. Actually stop texting shit and start being cognitive of you surroundings.

8/17/2016 05:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If all these shit-heads are getting free "Obama" phones, why can't we?

8/17/2016 05:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Off topic: all New York fire trucks ordered to remove the United States flag because they are a liability. We are spinning down the drain as a country. No Borders! No language! No culture! Thank you B.H.O. & crew."

8/17/2016 11:01:00 AM

It's just in Poughkeepsie -- for now.

Like to see them try this in NYC.

Just last night I was thinking, "Confederate flag, Gadsden flag -- American flag gonna be next."

That didn't take long.

8/17/2016 05:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
I have 160 days left ( YES I am counting ). The only good thing, besides retiring with a 70% pension is that I will just get out under the wire with free health care. I will be in the next to last group retiring under the 55 and out clause.

8/17/2016 09:28:00 AM

Actually the 55 health care isn't going away. After next June it goes to 2% instead of zero.
For it to go away it needs to not be included in the next contract.

8/17/2016 06:10:00 PM  
Blogger john said...

Getting a " drop" phone from a store will not solve the problem if they really want to know who it is. A cell tower dump identifies all the phones on at a specific time. Turn around and get mudds and tolls on a strange phone, your wife, significant other comes up on the mudds and tolls. Get a court order to Ping your phone and you are identified or if need be, spoof you phone and when you answer , they photo you answering the number called. Not hard if they wish to go to that extreme or if someone in IAD has the knowledge( they did not when I retired).


old retired guy

8/17/2016 06:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess we should take Jimmy "The Gent" Burke's advice to Henry Hill. "Didn't I tell you to stay off the phones?"

8/17/2016 02:18:00 PM

Actually, you need to emulate Paulie Cicero . . . and Mikey Madigan.

http://www.hark.com/clips/rytptybypc-paulie-hated-phones

8/17/2016 06:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So the FBI can't get apple to give them the code to break into a terrorists phone but I would have to give mine to the city?

8/17/2016 12:23:00 PM

Would you have to give it......your on the right track......here it is but......follow me?

8/17/2016 06:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you do not recall a Park Ridge Police Officer was charged with video taping a traffic chase and crash with his smart phone. THEY FIRED THE OFFICER.


Are you young chargers seeing the connection?

8/17/2016 06:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Going and buying a flip phone tonight."

Who would have thought, now the police have to buy burner phones to bypass the authority.

8/17/2016 06:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Alex Graham Bell said...

Use What'sApp for personal text messages. Encrypted up and down stream. Don't discuss department bussines via text, email, or social media, only use department email from the station or voice telephony from land lines.

If CPD wants notifications, do it from the station, or ask a fine upstanding citizen to use their phone.
CPD, if you want timely notifications provide me a department phone.

8/17/2016 06:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NYPD is suppoedly issuing cellphones to every officer.
So in about 30 years we'll be getting them.

8/17/2016 06:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry boss, I was taking a dump this morning and dropped my phone in the toilet. Then the cat jumped on the handle and flushed it down the drain. It was an accident I tell ya.

8/17/2016 07:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...


Before you start up on me...yes...I have only 6 years on the job. What did we do for notifications etc back in the 90's and early 00's when cell phones weren't as common as today? Were they made in the station and on the zone? Or did we use pay phones? I know it's probably a dumb question I would just like to know because I find it funny that there's a GO that restricts us from using personal electronic devices for duty oriented tasks yet we call dicks, cpic, LT, news affairs with our personal cell phones.

8/17/2016 04:40:00 PM

We went to hospitals and used the police room/private office there, or we went to the station. Rarely a pay phone and those aren't available anymore, anyway. Sometimes we used the land line at the scene, if it was a home or business. (Now, I wouldn't advise doing that.)

My strongest suggestion is you use the dept issued cell phone of the highest ranking officer on the scene, or report to him/her and let THEM make the notifications.

8/17/2016 07:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...


How would the department know if you had a cell phone that night or not?

8/17/2016 01:12:00 PM

They'll know because they're going to give you a direct order to supply them with documentation and information relative to any and all telephones you have. They will then search the phone and tower pings to determine whether you 'had it with you' that night. Since virtually no police officer relies solely on land lines, this is a no-brainer. If you really didn't have it with you that night, they'll know that. But they will still be searching it for any subsequent exchanges you had with anyone ABOUT the case. And that will include any email accounts you have linked to that phone.

8/17/2016 07:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...


Don't give your phones up. This is going to end up before the Supreme Court. If the attorneys have not demonstrated that any sort of public record exists on your phone, they have absolutely no right to go into your phone. Fight this tooth and nail. That judge's order is severely violating the constitutional rights of any officer on the scene that was not using their phone for work purposes. This is the definition of a fishing expedition. I would ask them to articulate what reason they have to believe my phone contains public records related to the case. If not, fuck you. Let's go to court. We can't give up our rights willingly.

8/17/2016 01:08:00 PM

8/17/2016 07:14:00 PM  

Post a Comment

<< Home

Newer Posts.......................... ..........................Older Posts