Tuesday, January 24, 2017

Get off Johnson's Johnson!

  • Police Supt. Eddie Johnson is shining the light on a merit-promotion process condemned by officers interviewed by the U.S. Department of Justice as a “reward for cronyism” and clout.

    Following the Justice Department’s demand for increased “transparency” around the merit promotion process, Johnson plans to return to a reform imposed, then rescinded, a few years ago.

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    “CPD will be identifying those individuals who received a merit-based promotion — not just for sergeant but for all going forward. And we will identify who the nominating members are,” said Chicago Police Department spokesman [...].

    “This is part of the superintendent’s effort to be more transparent — not only externally but internally as well. He made the decision following an email request that came in from rank-and-file officers last month.”
And as we said, not good enough. And the FOP agrees....sort of:
  • Fraternal Order of Police President Dean Angelo was not impressed with Johnson’s decision to once again identify officers promoted on the basis of merit as well as their “nominators.”

    “That kind of blew up in their face because it turned out to be the driver” of department brass who got the promotion, Angelo said.

    “It’s going to do what it did last time. It will ostracize individuals who are meritoriously promoted.”

    Angelo said merit promotions — 20 percent for detectives and 30 percent for all other ranks — should be used to reward acts of heroism on the job.
The driver turned out to have been ineligible. He's now suing for the unjustified promotion, wasting untold tens-of-thousand in taxpayer money. And heroic acts aren't exactly a precursor to decent leadership skills - it can be a factor, but the sole determinant? A certain SOS copper now serving time won the highest award for Valor once - that doesn't make him qualified to be a "merit" promotee.

And Deano says it ostracizes individuals - individuals like whom, dare we ask?

What is needed, as we've stated before, is a list of qualifications and accomplishments that all cops can strive toward in order to receive an actual nod based on merit, not "merit." House mice, side pieces, pincushions and drivers need not apply.

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163 Comments:

Anonymous IN THE KNOW said...

ALL BS and eye wash.

Why didn't FOP bring up the unjust merit promotions a long time ago? You would think that would be part of their job and why you pay dues.

Well, we wouldn't want to upset "our OWN merit promotions" - would we?

1/24/2017 12:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dean your son is merit detective, so stop playing already

1/24/2017 12:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ha ha ha , nothing is ever going to change . ... it will get worse .
"Chicago ain't ready for reform ".

1/24/2017 12:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Show me a district with high crime and i'll show you a lot of merit promotees

1/24/2017 12:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just proves what most of us have known all along. The system is rigged! I not only want them to identify who is made merit but I would also like to see the activity these superstars have generated, as we know many have done little but wait for their next promotion. This department is a complete joke! I have lost all respect for this organization and it's so called leadership

1/24/2017 12:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's a little too late for the old timers that got screwed in previous promotions!

My attitude towards this Chicago Police Dept. is a big "FUCK YOU"!

I tell people all the time that ask me about becoming a Chicago Police Officer, I respond by "do NOT take this police job"!

This city is screwing Officers over promotions and taking away earned benefits such as Medical Care in retirement and reducing retirement benefits for future Officers!

Soon, PPO's will be in a 401K style of retirement, as the pension will be frozen and then broke!

You heard it here first!

KMA 25+ and gone soon!

1/24/2017 12:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Heroism", how many current merit bosses were promoted for exactly that?!

1/24/2017 12:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fuck Dean Angelo, let him do some real work.
TN, Baby Come Back.

1/24/2017 12:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have the list that goes back over 10 years! You want it just ask??? It is FOIA

1/24/2017 01:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One merit promotion should be granted through your entire career. Share the wealth. I'm sure there's enough well qualified merit nominees out there just as there are with CLOUT.

1/24/2017 01:11:00 AM  
Blogger MTS said...

I have 20 years on as of April 2017. Countless rollcalls I received HONORABLE MENTIONS. They were read out and I was applauded as were other recipients.

Month after month the superintendent has award ceremonies which often make the news. So my question is why the lack of transparency? Wouldn't you want to have your accolades read off at rollcalls? At a monthly award ceremony stating what you did to deserve a $30k/year promotion? Isn't that something to be proud of and not ashamed of? Why not brag if you earned it?

It makes no sense to keep a merit promotion a secret.



1/24/2017 01:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If President Trump means business. Will we see Federal law enforcement and federal funds into this city?? Is the city ready for M1 Abrams tanks and Army Rangers dropping into Madison/Pulaski and 63rd/Ashland?? I'm a military vet & give up on this city and job.

1/24/2017 02:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Several years ago, I had access to the merit selection module on CLEAR. The introduction page read like it written by an english major who was high.

1/24/2017 02:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sorry but I keep hearing "they're good officers but they just don't test well." What kind of shit is that? Excuse me but all candidates promoted should pass a basic skills test IN addition to their consummate experience period. Why not also interview before a board which asks a series of questions to ensure the person is well balanced and competent for the promotion? And for the guys bitching about the college requirement for this job: this ain't 19 fucking 72 anymore okay!? Much to what you may believe someone who has a basic 4 year undergraduate degree these days is not a "book worm" or intellectual snob. Having a degree is as basic today as it was having a highschool diploma back in your Stone Age day. Why not have a copper who can write and think critically. Writing a well thought out and articulate case report is kinda of important don't ya think? We can't just club people over the head with large sticks so much anymore.

End merit and clean up the testing process. Then you'll have more competent leaders. A coppers greatest weapon out there is not their pistol or their brawn but their brain and the ability to make good decisions.

1/24/2017 02:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ONE merit promotion per career.
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Stop sending incompetents up the promotional ladder to become Superintendent!

1/24/2017 02:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They should retroactively list that info for every department member.
This would result in FatHeadEd having to list himself a few times.

1/24/2017 03:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about every Commander gets one pick. Your going to see some Commanders with both their picks make it, and other Commanders with none. If it is true they are looking for 120-150 Sgts, each Commander should get one pick, and still list who nominated them.

1/24/2017 04:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off Topic:
Just moved up to Edison Park recently and am looking for a new police friendly taxman in the area. Thanks and stay safe all.

1/24/2017 04:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Dean I can FOIA the merit slugs and it will end up on here so they're gonna be ostracized either way.

1/24/2017 04:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This last comment by Deano only solidifies the reasons to reject him and his cronies in the upcoming FOP election. But you have to take the time to actually VOTE and mail in your postage paid ballot.
One other FOP related question - Why doesn't the blue voice blog post any reader's comments? The lack of a forum makes me suspicious of that group's real motives. We need true leaders to run for office, not "semi cops" whose ambitions are purely self promotion.

1/24/2017 05:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just give everyone a damn participation trophy.

1/24/2017 05:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Merit for heroism only counts for those with clout. More then a few coppers who have been shot on duty that never got shit!

1/24/2017 05:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

House mouses and CAPS personnel have plenty of time to study, how about the street cop going from job to job, he'll even people on themedical can study all they want, all promotions should have some sort of activity.

1/24/2017 05:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just because "they may" list the merit promotions doesn't mean they're going to stop promoting their connected buddies. It's the sick and corrupt Chicago way. Besides, they can just have a secret study group and leak test questions and answers so then they won't have to merit promote their friends. They'll get promoted legit by aceing the test.

1/24/2017 05:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One qualification for a merit promotion should be a rank order score of over 100. There have been far too many merit promotees who scored well and just didn't want to wait their turn. Lt. CG in 005 comes to mind. There are more out there, too.

1/24/2017 05:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am an instructor at the academy and I have taught the people who have gotten promoted. I have done such a great job than I have taught many of the sergeants, lieutenants, captains, and commanders (recruit training and in-service training)?

Where is my promotion?

1/24/2017 06:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does that mean rahms detail who are security specialists and commanders also? Eddie what special skills and "merit" based actions have they taken? Why do they get sergeants and commanders pensions? Transparency sure media hello! Doj hello!

1/24/2017 06:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's all bullshyt.

Screw Lying Ed Johnson & the merit hacks.

1/24/2017 06:21:00 AM  
Blogger Mr. SouthSide said...

"...I have twenty years on as of April 2017..."

Still a rookie.

1/24/2017 06:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What most of you don't know is the nominator is often not the real one pushing the merit appointee. It is often City Hall or exempts higher than Deputy Chiefs. Commanders are told who to push!

1/24/2017 06:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can someone post the merit picks for the past detective promotion list?

1/24/2017 06:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A little time in grade is not a bad idea either. A merit pick should serve at least 7 years as sergeant before being allowed to compete for lieutenant. Too many are getting merit bumps all the way to the top----and way too soon.

1/24/2017 06:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I want to know the merit promoted Sargeant's from the last list. There are a few too many running around the south side

1/24/2017 06:58:00 AM  
Anonymous 1127X said...

"I'm sorry but I keep hearing "they're good officers but they just don't test well." What kind of shit is that? Excuse me but all candidates promoted should pass a basic skills test IN addition to their consummate experience period"

Hear, hear!
To me, it's simple: You can't pass the test, you fuckin don't get promoted.
Don't give two shits how much of a "good officer" you are. It aint an "officers" exam, it's a damned "Supervisors" exam.
Hell, if we're going to use that as the baseline, why not apply the same standard to people who can't pass the to exam to get on the job? "They're good people, but they don't test well".
It's some of the most fucked up reasoning I've ever heard.

1/24/2017 07:00:00 AM  
Blogger Leonard Hamilton said...

Not a cop but served in the military. Shocked at how cops are advanced and with such bullshit secrecy and hidden agendas. Must make your jobs even that much stressful. Now in the military we did have people who worked for officers but they did not receive special promotions they just got side perks. Keep up the great work.

1/24/2017 07:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Dean your son is merit detective, so stop playing already

1/24/2017 12:13:00 AM

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Merit guys don't study. I work in 14. The kid studied his ass off. Good cop not perfect but today nobody should try to be. Stay fetal.

1/24/2017 07:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

End 'merit", have honest testing or at least as honest as possible in Chicago. Make LT pension the highest you can collect with 20 and out. If you stick around longer then add a few bucks per month per extra year you serve. It will still be a F-up job but at least you might get a fair shake for promotions. But it is still Chicago so maybe not.

1/24/2017 07:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

DEAN is a softball!

you want to reward guys who get shot? is that really any better?

Just go by the real test score NO more 6 months to grade a test. A real test multiple choice put about 1000 question on basic function of the job your are testing for.

you can give bonus points for time on job
college
veterans

But i guess its harder to memorize test then. And no more of the Bull shit of people not taking both parts of test and then getting promoted that is insane.

CMON special ED you must think everyone here is a MORON is a tight sweater!

1/24/2017 07:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dean stop with he officers will be called out.Most who have taken the merit route have no shame anyway. They actually believe they deserve it. Your son is probably a great son and good officer. You make the statement that merit officers will be ostracized. Well that's part of merit. If you can't take the heat don't take the bump.ere you a merit guy Dean? If so please name you sponsor. Step up and be proud.If you were merit perhaps it was the head of the medical section that put you in. You were on it numerous times.

1/24/2017 07:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dean Jr IS NOT MERIT! Quit clouding the issue with this falsehood.

1/24/2017 07:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Johnson doesn't need anyone stepping on his Johnson. Johnson steps on his Johnson enough without anyone helping him!

1/24/2017 07:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

cfd scraped the merit even though its still in our contract, it never worked

1/24/2017 07:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
They should retroactively list that info for every department member.
This would result in FatHeadEd having to list himself a few times.

1/24/2017 03:07:00 AM


I'm not an EJ fan at all, but I don't believe the Sup has ever been a merit pick. I know he was not a merit Sgt and I know he missed the Lt list by one ( which would suck for anybody) and then, took the next test and made it on his own.

1/24/2017 07:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can someone please tell me what Penas driver did that was so great to warrant her merit promotion to detective? She worked inside her whole career.

1/24/2017 07:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Captain WHHHEEEZZZZEEEE coming to a district near you,probably back to 009

1/24/2017 08:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If CPD is anything like the USMC often times those with the largest balls are least qualified to lead..

1/24/2017 08:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Totally wrong! A well designed test should determine if the test taker has the knowledge and skill sets to perform the job. If knowing the number to felony review was one, than is should be a question."

Sounds like don't know the number to Felony review either. This is a job where u have to think on your feet. No test can test for how well you talk to other people, no test is going to tell you what detectives will get a confession in a room or sweet talk a witness into helping. No test is going to show which Sgts can motivate their officers. Again hardly any LE dept uses tests for promotions. It's stupid

1/22/2017 06:11:00 PM

That's completely wrong. Almost all of the use tests. Study harder jag off or start rimming the right job.


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I know many a coppers who go out and make felony arrests everyday but are some of the worst cops I know on this job. Just because you go out and make felony arrests doesn't make you a good detective or supervisor. Case in point.. every copper in 011 thinks they are gods gift to police work because they go out and get a dope pinch or two a day in 011. First off Stevie wonder could make a dope pinch in 011. If you can't go out in 011 and make 2 or three felony dope arrests a day then you are blind. Dope arrests pretty much jump in your back seat in 011.. there is absolutely zero skill or know how in that game. But if you ask 011th district rangers they are the best. Listen, getting a guy with any pcs in 011 is like getting a dopw or pisswe anywhere else in the city. Anyone can do it. Just read the paper of anyone in 011. It's just bold regurgitation of drop case/delivery case embarrassment plagerism of paper. You don't have to try and make dope arrests in 011. Try working in a district where it's not on every corner and block open air and you will actually learn how to make good felony arrests and write good paper. Love the egos of guys in 011. Super cops of the city

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Haha, this is a very relevant comment. Take the Advice in court from some ASAs who tend to speak the truth. ASAs can always tell an 011th district delivery case. It's scary how every single narrative is cookie cutter.. they might be able to make the arrests out there but when it comes to writing paper and testifying on those cases they are the worst. Not trying to make enemies but we all notice and so do the judges so be careful. There is a reason so many outside law firms focus on 011th district drug cases so much lately. There is something much bigger on the horizon. If you're going to continue to do delivery cases learn the law, tighten up your paper and for gods sake learn to testify. Having the same story or some slight modification for every case is not good. Is there like a universal 011th district delivery/possession template passed out at roll call or something??? A lot of people are taking notice, especially the wrong people. Don't forget, there is a new regime at 26th and cal and outside law firms are asking her to look at all the delivery cases from out west.... only allegedly of course.

1/24/2017 08:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your an idiot dean. Nothing changes until merit is reduced to 15 and 10 percent. 1 merit bump a career. This seems obvious especially for a union leader, or are you in someones pocket!

1/24/2017 08:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Since you brought up the subject SCC, will there be a second round anytime soon for Lieutenants as the recent screening for Sergeant? Afterall, all of the chosen have already been taken care of, have seniority and are back in the same or similar gravy spots.

1/24/2017 08:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about getting promoted on your own merit? Oh wait, what a stupid free market concept. Seriously, how about the military? You're ranked against every other soldier and what is taken into account is time in rank, shooting score, PT Score, correspondence courses, awards, secondary education, in-service development and past evaluations. Each category is worth a max of 75 points and the individual's cumulative score is ranked against all other soldiers looking at the next rank.

Who am I kidding? Fathead Ed and company will find their juice babies a spot. Hell, they're juice babies themselves. So no one cries "but but but that's racist. Corruption existed before Special Ed," it is NEVER right. It's just never been so unapologetically apparent.

1/24/2017 08:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

(OT) great another nfl thug wants coppers to die:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/01/23/video-adam-jones-tells-cop-hope-you-die/96969964/

Such class why is he not let go? F the NFL will not waste time watching or money buying any NFL garbage!

1/24/2017 08:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Too many websites now showing how ugly the Democrat party really is. This keeps up they will be a non issue in 4 years. I think that's how we lost Shaved...

1/24/2017 08:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i wouldn't fell ostracized by taking ONE .... THREE? yes very much so

1/24/2017 08:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The utter silence of the FOP over the past few years just amazes me. They should be attacking this corrupt system almost daily.

1/24/2017 09:01:00 AM  
Anonymous 20 and Out! said...

I have read and said this before...The past 15-20 years of merit promotions have set this department up for the lack of leadership that runs rampant today...If the Department made an honest effort to make the promotion process legit, it would still take two generations to purge the department of unworthy leadership...

And we all know how honest and forthcoming this department can be...

1/24/2017 09:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I have the list that goes back over 10 years! You want it just ask??? It is FOIA

1/24/2017 01:02:00 AM

From a retired guy, happily retired I might add, can you list the top leaders that are merit? Johnson?

1/24/2017 09:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Merit promotees sit back, do nothing and wait for their next merit promotion. It's always the same names, going from Sgt to Lt, oh look, they made Cpt and the rank and file are supposed to believe these are the best and brightest. GFY

1/24/2017 09:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Show me a district with high crime and I'll show u a district with a lot of good test takers

1/24/2017 09:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a problem with people who are promoted off of the test but have never made an arrest, made a dope pinch, made a uuw arrest or written a search warrant. Make promotions based on a combination of activity, test scores and seniority. U get a score based on all three factors.

1/24/2017 09:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So we will learn who nominated who, but will we learn who told the nominating member who to nominate?

1/24/2017 09:23:00 AM  
Blogger grunt said...

WHat did angelos kid do to get promoted

1/24/2017 09:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I got an idea. announce a promotional exam six months in advance. tell whoever is going to take the exam that that the test is going to be 1/3 on departments general orders, 1/3 on the Illinois criminal code, and the final 1/3 on the duties and responsibilities of the position that the test is being given for. Put all study material on the Chicago police web site. Hire a group of retirees who have worked in the position being tested on make up a pool of questions. hire one of the cities higher education institutes take all the material that the test is going to given on and take the questions that the retires made up and then have the college review and have them put all the questions in a computer program that randomly selects the actual test questions from the pool of questions submitted After the computer program selects the questions, give the test to a outside agency to administer. ON the day of the exam have the test takers mark their test answers on scantron answer sheets and grade the results right after the test takers are finished. Have three test examiners grade the scantron test sheets. after each of the examiners grade the results, photo copy the scantron test sheets give the test taker a photo copy of the scantron sheet and the examiner keeps the original scantron sheet. here is why this is the best way the have the exam legitimate: all department members who take the test are on a equal footing. the test is on 2/3 of what EVERY POLICE OFFICER DUTIES AND RESPONSIBLITIES. The other 1/3 is on the duties and responsibilities of the position being tested for. Every test taker will have the same opportunity to review the study material. NO ONE OR GROUP WILL HAVE AN EDGE BECAUSE WHEN THE RETIREES WHO MADE UP THE POOL OF QUESTIONS THEY IN TURN GIVE QUESTIONS TO COLLEGE WHO ARE HANDLING THE PROCESS. THE COMPUTER PROGRAM THEM RANDOMLY SELECTS THE QUESTIONS. By grading the test the same day and giving out the results everyone knows their scores that day. This is the only fair way one can give a test. If there is going to be merit promotions the criteria should be something as follows: Acts of valor and activity. That's all. This way everything is documented. OK now that I submitted a testing procedure who do I submit my $500,000.00 consulting fee too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1/24/2017 09:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Years ago a new Commander was assigned to the 024th District. Then the request came out for Commanders to submit their merit nominees. The new Commander said he was not familiar with the 24th Districk personnel and that his nominess would come from his previous assignment. As a result no one from 024 got a chance to get a bite out of the apple.

1/24/2017 09:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All of the bloggers on this site seem to be missing the point. There is no more need for merit promotions! The top three people (or folk) on the last Lieutenant's exam were female blacks, proving that there is no more culturally bias testing anymore. It is even for everyone. We can finally go back to straight testing for promotion. I want to thank the girls for demonstrating that the entire testing process is now legitimate.

1/24/2017 09:37:00 AM  
Blogger john said...

Tests are not that hard if you study and have an IQ over 100.

1/24/2017 09:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is some good merit ppl who do not test well but great cops. However we all know 85 percent is clout and favors

1/24/2017 09:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wait a gosh darn minute dean is not 100% for this? is there collusion somewhere deano?

Dean is this you collusion?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfmgmWOUBCU

What has happened with examscam2016? Any demotions Eddie? transparency?

Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G790p0LcgbI

Eddie another deflection good job, but have you demoted any of your command staff who cannot achieve respect anywhere? Of course not they laugh not with you but at you, fish stinks from the head down correct?

1/24/2017 09:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Transparency changes nothing.
It still is a clout process. Knowing who sponsored the candidate or how many bites of the merit apple they have received doesn't alter a thing.

With these "changes" nothing more will be done in the future, case closed.

1/24/2017 09:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eddie what about the CHEATER LIEUTENANTS list? Still waiting. INTEGRITY????

1/24/2017 10:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They should interview the all time "meritorious political hack" poster child, retired Captain Mike Magliano.Spent more time on the medical than on duty.Meritorious seargant,lieutenant and captain and dumb as a box of rocks Tsk,Tsk.

1/24/2017 10:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lets not forget about the meritorious promotions to PPO in the academy. Just how many unqualified kids are out there??
And they want to lower the standard again.

1/24/2017 10:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Merit" would work if it was used properly and perfectly. And there's the problem. It's hard to define objectively. But like a judge once said about something else, "I know it when I see it." In this case, "merit" (whatever it is) can't be seen while someone's backside is polishing the seat in an office.

Once the idea of "merit" takes root in a system that abuses it, you're thoroughly screwed. Time to ditch the merit process (even to the point of getting rid of the word) and replace it with a written and oral review process in front of a Promotion Committee where past performance and continuing education factor highly. No one moves up the ladder unless they go before the committee. (Yeah, PC may not be the best name.)

1/24/2017 10:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@0220
Unfortunately college no longer guarantees someone will think or write critically. It's a check in the box.

1/24/2017 11:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How bout just promoting straight off the list for the next sgt class.

1/24/2017 11:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Complete transparency would require who was made merit, their nominator, their test scores on both parts, and most importantly their rank on the list.

1/24/2017 11:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eddie Johnson , you want to save $$$ , have more supervision .
Disregard DOJ , reduce Sgt. Rank to two field Sergeants per watch , add a new rank of Corporal , one per sector .
Assign Lieutenants to an Area and have Field Lt's Supervise 2-3 Districts .
Captain should Command every District & Unit eliminating the Rank of Commander .
It would save CPD and the Pension millions .

1/24/2017 11:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm sorry but I keep hearing "they're good officers but they just don't test well." What kind of shit is that? Excuse me but all candidates promoted should pass a basic skills test IN addition to their consummate experience period. Why not also interview before a board which asks a series of questions to ensure the person is well balanced and competent for the promotion? And for the guys bitching about the college requirement for this job: this ain't 19 fucking 72 anymore okay!? Much to what you may believe someone who has a basic 4 year undergraduate degree these days is not a "book worm" or intellectual snob. Having a degree is as basic today as it was having a highschool diploma back in your Stone Age day. Why not have a copper who can write and think critically. Writing a well thought out and articulate case report is kinda of important don't ya think? We can't just club people over the head with large sticks so much anymore.

End merit and clean up the testing process. Then you'll have more competent leaders. A coppers greatest weapon out there is not their pistol or their brawn but their brain and the ability to make good decisions.

1/24/2017 02:20:00 AM
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Ok slick, so you're implying that someone who does not have a 4 year college degree can't "write and think critically" or write a "well thought out and articulate case report"???
I came on over 30 years ago with that high school education you talk about and have been in a district my entire career. Made Sgt legit from the 1993 test (there was no merit). I haven't obtained the 4 year degree in ANYTHING you seem to value so much, to be able to make the next step to Lieutenant, but I'm good with that. I'm in a great district, on a great watch with great bosses and officers. I wouldn't change a thing.
Yes, I had the offer a few years back to go to a couple different units, but I actually like working the watch.
How we were not grandfathered in, as a 4 year degree was not required when I was hired is beyond me.
Apparently that 4 year degree in ANYTHING you hold so valuable holds more weight than 30+ years on the street.
You sound like a whiny overeducated clown!

1/24/2017 11:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eddie "Supa Dupa" Johnson at your service...

1/24/2017 12:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's see, 30% Merit, probably 20% got the answers "somehow"...

The Merit process needs to be changed! Oh, wow! Youre going to identify who is merit and who put them (or was told to) in for promotion. And this is going to change what, exactaly?

How about a board of Patrolmen? How about US selecting who is deserving and who is not. How about the Officers from a Dist or Unit choose whom is deserving of promotion from said Dist / Unit. Then the bosses get to choose from that pool.

Id prefer to keep the booses out of it, but if anyone has a better idea than the shit we have now....

1/24/2017 12:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is an honest question because I have no idea who made it off the list or who made it by merit but did dean Angelo jr make dick by merit? If so then honestly Dean can't talk and maybe he's afraid to show who nominated him? Regardless the process is a joke and included with names and their clout should be their actual number on the exam. Sure some guys who are great coppers just don't test well and I'm ok with promoting based on actual Merit, but we all know it's all bullshit and fake resumes and a good phone call. Always has been. Maybe the Supt can list which exempts were merit promotions throughout their career and to which rank or ranks. Never going to happen

1/24/2017 12:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is tying the hands of FOP to release Test Scores rankings?
"Police Supt. Eddie Johnson is shining the light on a merit-promotion process..."
– that's no light. It's a reflection bouncing off a swolt'head that expands when he tells a lie.

When was the last Performance/Line of Duty merit promotion? 1995 or so?
If they need diversity, why isn't there a separate exam (noble and lapa study groups don't count)?
It's a shame that there's plenty of diverse higher scorers being passed over by low baller merits of the same ethnicity.
And why do merits who fail to live up to the task not returned to previous position (post Henny Penny) more often?
Some merits that can't handle the position and are ushered into soft spots, other hard working merits seem to go out of their way to prove their worth honorably.
The folks on the first floor don't benefit when the plumber can't fix a water leak on the second floor.
(An Area metaphor)
So why should the Police Dept. merit promote those without the necessary skills?

1/24/2017 01:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Totally agree about the requirement aspect of merit promotions. If Chicago had a real police department like other big cities across the country we actually would have a real accountability merit system. What is really fucked up, and no one cares or says anything about, is the fact that in other real police departments across the country, detectives are the ones in units like OCD. In Chicago's pretend ass department PO's are doing the work of detectives without the promotion or pay. Go ahead and say it, "stop your bitching, just be happy your in a unit" or "you don't like it, go back to the watch". That's complete bull shit. But hey, this is Chicago and it will never change. All the nonsense from the DOJ will do nothing.

1/24/2017 01:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One Merit promotion
retire at last rank that promoted to in rank order from list
all appointed ranks from captain to 1st deputy based on last rank
Superintendent should be only rank allowed to remain in the dold braid pension system
pension for all rank above Detective should be based on your last 6 years of salary

1/24/2017 02:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

(OT) More insanity this punk secret service agent should be terminated immediately and look at any possible charges. this idiot making statements like this what a pos:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/senior-secret-service-agent-suggests-she-wouldnt-take-a-bullet-for-trump/article/2612814

1/24/2017 02:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Frank Main is a hack. He has been begging Tom Dart for a job for years and is basically a propaganda writer for Dart and Preckwinkle.

1/24/2017 02:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As of 01Jan17, officers out of pocket for BCBS is 75%/25%. Officers are getting fucked on Healthcare. Fix this shit FOP! Higher out of pocket, co-pays, higher cost RX. By the time officers retire who knows what they will be paying for Healthcare if it even exists. Pay, Healthcare, and Pension should the main priority with this contract, along with fixing the discipline process. The stripping and firing of cops at an unprecedented rate is a joke. Officers may never make it to retirement if this shit keeps up. Training...equipment....ten hour days...blah blah blah don't mean shit.
Signed,
Your Momma.

1/24/2017 02:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look I keep hearing the officers say he or she is not a good test taker but a good cop and leader...thats bullshit the promotions should be strictly test. Look I got promoted twice in rank order I didn't know anyone im not brilliant and im not clouded. I'm just a good beat cop who studied my orders 2 hours a day and I worked in a fast district thats it thats all! I work side jobs and I have kids and I go to the gym and my wife works and kids are in everything so I don't have alot of time to start scratch my ass. So there is no excuses for anyone in my book I hate the merit hacks and im sorry you can definitely know who they are if you know your job...when I was a p.o I constantly corrected the idiots...what I notice is even when I was a p.p.o alot of people when they come to work they dont fully absorb their jobs they kind of brush them off or let a knowledgeable officer do everything that's a no, no but I can go on and on about the promotions but I hope to make LT. And I know I'm pretty much done after that because I don't have any political clout.

1/24/2017 03:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Writing a well thought out and articulate case report is kinda of important don't ya think? We can't just club people over the head with large sticks so much anymore"

GOLDEN COMMENT ^
Use of force, even when justified can land a copper in prison. That report better be spot on detailing everything from A to Z why you did what you did...

1/24/2017 03:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

KNOW said...
ALL BS and eye wash.

Why didn't FOP bring up the unjust merit promotions a long time ago? You would think that would be part of their job and why you pay dues.

Well, we wouldn't want to upset "our OWN merit promotions" - would we?

1/24/2017 12:11:00 AM

Bee Yes,
Eye Wash
and an undie
check when they
think nobody is watching.
"Wat's dat smell?"

Bomb and rebuild FOP
and punish the traitorous rats
when they flee the rubble...

Now is the time since Rahm has
no friends in D.C. who will look the
other way on his bullshit.

Actually, it probably wouldn't be such a bad
idea for DOJ to snatch CPD from City Hall's
hands and makes them pay for shorting CPD
on personnel, training and equipment.

Rahm would shit and scream...

1/24/2017 03:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lol. Could you imagine? The pilot of this Boeing 747 didn't test well and tested LESS THAN QUALIFIED but they say he was nervous under the pressure of an exam.

Same with your heart surgeon. He didn't do well on the exam but he's cutting you open at 6 am tomorrow.

1/24/2017 04:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Special Ed would be a PO not the top dog without it.

1/24/2017 04:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
If President Trump means business. Will we see Federal law enforcement and federal funds into this city?? Is the city ready for M1 Abrams tanks and Army Rangers dropping into Madison/Pulaski and 63rd/Ashland?? I'm a military vet & give up on this city and job.
1/24/2017 02:07:00 AM

If you're a military vet why are you wasting your time talking about tanks and federals troops making jumps into the south and west sides? If you served then you should know better than what you're talking about.

1/24/2017 04:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok slick, so you're implying that someone who does not have a 4 year college degree can't "write and think critically" or write a "well thought out and articulate case report"???
I came on over 30 years ago with that high school education you talk about and have been in a district my entire career. Made Sgt legit from the 1993 test (there was no merit). I haven't obtained the 4 year degree in ANYTHING you seem to value so much, to be able to make the next step to Lieutenant, but I'm good with that. I'm in a great district, on a great watch with great bosses and officers. I wouldn't change a thing.
Yes, I had the offer a few years back to go to a couple different units, but I actually like working the watch.
How we were not grandfathered in, as a 4 year degree was not required when I was hired is beyond me.
Apparently that 4 year degree in ANYTHING you hold so valuable holds more weight than 30+ years on the street.
You sound like a whiny overeducated clown!

Sarge, excuse me, but YOU sound like a whining bag of dicks! If you want to make Lt., and you know you need a 4 year degree to get it done, then GO DO IT. The Dept. has offered tuition reimbursement for decades now. Quiteyerbitchin' and meet the requirement! If you don't want to get promoted, fine, but don't diss those who have returned back to college to get what's required. Man up or shut up! I'm just saying!!!

1/24/2017 04:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm sorry but I keep hearing "they're good officers but they just don't test well." What kind of shit is that? Excuse me but all candidates promoted should pass a basic skills test IN addition to their consummate experience period. Why not also interview before a board which asks a series of questions to ensure the person is well balanced and competent for the promotion? And for the guys bitching about the college requirement for this job: this ain't 19 fucking 72 anymore okay!? Much to what you may believe someone who has a basic 4 year undergraduate degree these days is not a "book worm" or intellectual snob. Having a degree is as basic today as it was having a highschool diploma back in your Stone Age day. Why not have a copper who can write and think critically. Writing a well thought out and articulate case report is kinda of important don't ya think? We can't just club people over the head with large sticks so much anymore.

End merit and clean up the testing process. Then you'll have more competent leaders. A coppers greatest weapon out there is not their pistol or their brawn but their brain and the ability to make good decisions.

1/24/2017 02:20:00 AM
---------------------------------

Ok slick, so you're implying that someone who does not have a 4 year college degree can't "write and think critically" or write a "well thought out and articulate case report"???
I came on over 30 years ago with that high school education you talk about and have been in a district my entire career. Made Sgt legit from the 1993 test (there was no merit). I haven't obtained the 4 year degree in ANYTHING you seem to value so much, to be able to make the next step to Lieutenant, but I'm good with that. I'm in a great district, on a great watch with great bosses and officers. I wouldn't change a thing.
Yes, I had the offer a few years back to go to a couple different units, but I actually like working the watch.
How we were not grandfathered in, as a 4 year degree was not required when I was hired is beyond me.
Apparently that 4 year degree in ANYTHING you hold so valuable holds more weight than 30+ years on the street.
You sound like a whiny overeducated clown!
1/24/2017 11:56:00 AM

I'm a 2nd generation cop. My old man is near retirement. He came on with the minimum education. He tried to get me not to be a cop. I didn't listen. I came on with a master's degree. Pretty soon, my sister will be on and she has a bachelor's. Everything I ever wanted to be a cop for, I learned from him. My biggest mentors, except maybe a onesie or twosie, have less education than me. My education is for future opportunities. I agree fully with what I've learned from the old heads about the new college class "too much college, not enough high school." My college education and experience has relevance but on the street I put it on the shelf. Nobody cares.

1/24/2017 04:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not an EJ fan at all, but I don't believe the Sup has ever been a merit pick. I know he was not a merit Sgt and I know he missed the Lt list by one ( which would suck for anybody) and then, took the next test and made it on his own.

You're correct. Supt. does NOT get to merit select ANYONE. Nor, I believe, does anyone above the rank of Deputy Chief.

1/24/2017 04:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Years ago a new Commander was assigned to the 024th District. Then the request came out for Commanders to submit their merit nominees. The new Commander said he was not familiar with the 24th Districk personnel and that his nominess would come from his previous assignment. As a result no one from 024 got a chance to get a bite out of the apple.

1/24/2017 09:35:00 AM

What happened to the commander who was there before him?

1/24/2017 04:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What do you think the qualifications should be??

1/24/2017 04:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT....A big FUCK YOU to FOP for agreeing to this terrible healthcare plan! Our family's long time pediatrician is now a tier 2 and we can't afford it. In fact there are really no pediatricians in our area that are not in tier 2. Also we can't use any of the children's hospitals in Chicago unless you want to pay tier 2 prices. Also my wife's OBGYN is also now a tier 2. What the fuck did you agree to FOP? You suck!!! I suggest everyone do their homework before getting shocked by this shit plan and also vote these clowns out!

1/24/2017 05:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"Writing a well thought out and articulate case report is kinda of important don't ya think? We can't just club people over the head with large sticks so much anymore"

GOLDEN COMMENT ^
Use of force, even when justified can land a copper in prison. That report better be spot on detailing everything from A to Z why you did what you did...
1/24/2017 03:13:00 PM

That's how I was taught in the burbs. I know guys whose reports read like Stephen King novels. They are also the last people any good defense attorney would want on the stand.

1/24/2017 05:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nancy Loo, WGN-TV,

After you say the "young man", Kajuan Raye, was not armed, why can't you add, "the persuing sergeant said the man was armed and twice pointed the handgun at him".

And, Jamal Green,

You seem to have all the answers about police procedures. Did you apply to take the police test? Come on! We need a genius like you!

1/24/2017 05:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the superintendent announced he would reduce or end merit promotions until a detailed program is in place he would get the respect of the rank and file.

1/24/2017 05:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
(OT) More insanity this punk secret service agent should be terminated immediately and look at any possible charges. this idiot making statements like this what a pos:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/senior-secret-service-agent-suggests-she-wouldnt-take-a-bullet-for-trump/article/2612814
1/24/2017 02:21:00 PM

This is our fault. I was appalled with the "Buck Fush" shirts. I wasn't a big fan of President Bush but I knew there was a lack of dignity, respect and honor that we were encouraging as a country and it was shameful.

Lord have mercy on us. Then came President Obama. Pictures of him as an ape, pictures of his wife in an afro as an anti-American revolutionary and the comments about their daughters were extremely distasteful. I did vote for him and I also didn't like a lot of the his policies after doing so. None of that had to do with the disparaging remarks and commentary about him and his family on a personal level.

Now we have President Trump. As soon as they started in on poor Barron...it was just a reflection of how far we sunk. I didn't vote for the president and it has no bearing that his 10 year old son should not be dragged into this mess. BUT when you allow it to happen for other presidents because you do or do not like them...you are saying it's okay.

When the military leaders were uncharacteristically opposing the president in public, the special forces professionals (who normally espouse silence) started to get vocal and let's not forget the president's speech being interrupted from the floor by him being openly called a liar...we made this bed.

Yes she should be fired. And several people should been fired previously. This is why countries like China, Russia and North Korea are watching us with their mouths dripping, waiting for us to implode. America is being torn up from the inside, not the outside. I am a service member and there is no such thing as I like or dislike my Commander in Chief. He is my Commander in Chief. I didn't like either candidate either...but we're no longer talking about candidates. That America..respectful, honorable, dignified...that America is not resurfacing anytime soon.

1/24/2017 05:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Just proves what most of us have known all along. The system is rigged! I not only want them to identify who is made merit but I would also like to see the activity these superstars have generated, as we know many have done little but wait for their next promotion. This department is a complete joke! I have lost all respect for this organization and it's so called leadership

I think a lot of us feel that way.

1/24/2017 05:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eddie learnt police work from his great grandpa, Charlie Chan's driver.

1/24/2017 05:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am an instructor at the academy and I have taught the people who have gotten promoted. I have done such a great job than I have taught many of the sergeants, lieutenants, captains, and commanders (recruit training and in-service training)?

Where is my promotion?

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

GTFO of here. LMFAO..... Most of the instructors at the academy are like tits on a bull. Is it really that hard to put a lesson plan together ? I'm certain all the criteria is predetermined and all you have to do is familiarize yourself with it then spout it out to the class. Quit patting yourself on the back and hit the street where the real work is done.

1/24/2017 05:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not an EJ fan at all, but I don't believe the Sup has ever been a merit pick. I know he was not a merit Sgt and I know he missed the Lt list by one ( which would suck for anybody) and then, took the next test and made it on his own


PSttt he was merit Superintendent! He did not even apply hell his resume is not even online like other nominees. He did not submit a plan to fix the department either.

So yea he aint merit wake up.

1/24/2017 06:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The SWAMP has to be cleaned out , all this shit started with the Daley admin , Clout hiring and Clout appointing , Pay to Play Jobs and everything else , Pay to get a Job , Pay to become a Superintendent in all different Dept's , this has gone on forever , Who you Know - Who you Blow ,,, All from the Daley Era . This Dept has to start over from scratch , No cheating on any Test and real qualified people in all key jobs. Fair and square PERIOD

1/24/2017 06:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Sid Farkas said...

"I want to know the merit promoted Sargeant's from the last list. There are a few too many running around the south side."

Don't bother taking any promotional exams. They'll fail you on your spelling. It's spelled "Sergeant."

1/24/2017 06:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

(OT) went to point blank range in Hodgkins by the quarry theatre not going to explain but coppers will understand it is very "police friendly" nice clean great people. Was talking to range guy concealed carry holders are good for 3 years while coppers have to pay to carry every year why is this not 3 years also? Glad we have it and I know we can carry different states but why are coppers who are vilified constantly not getting say every 5 years to renew IROCC card? Hello Bruce,Madigan Deano FOP please explain!

1/24/2017 06:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Side note: today is the 24th, my wife and kid have been turned away twice now from the dr's office because our HMO is showing cancelled. At this point is the city planning on refunding our premiums for the month??

1/24/2017 07:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Raccoon Eyes is on Chicago Tonight- WTTW-Channel 11.

1/24/2017 07:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The city of Chicago murders are now affectionately known as "Rahmicide", on FOX News...

1/24/2017 07:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look I keep hearing the officers say he or she is not a good test taker but a good cop and leader...thats bullshit the promotions should be strictly test. Look I got promoted twice in rank order I didn't know anyone im not brilliant and im not clouded. I'm just a good beat cop who studied my orders 2 hours a day and I worked in a fast district thats it thats all! I work side jobs and I have kids and I go to the gym and my wife works and kids are in everything so I don't have alot of time to start scratch my ass. So there is no excuses for anyone in my book I hate the merit hacks and im sorry you can definitely know who they are if you know your job...when I was a p.o I constantly corrected the idiots...what I notice is even when I was a p.p.o alot of people when they come to work they dont fully absorb their jobs they kind of brush them off or let a knowledgeable officer do everything that's a no, no but I can go on and on about the promotions but I hope to make LT. And I know I'm pretty much done after that because I don't have any political clout.



You sound like a grade A jag. Be quiet. You are the first to throw someone under the bus guaranteed

1/24/2017 07:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you kidding me????
Dean Angelo's son is a merit detective! Enough said. Wait now we heard that Mike Shields is asking bosses to put him in for merit detective? If a boss puts their name on that non worker, please publish!

1/24/2017 08:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tests are not that hard if you study and have an IQ over 100.

1/24/2017 09:48:00 AM


Maybe so. But if the first part of the test is pass/fail (and a scan tron) no reason not to grade it as you walk out the door - and certainly no reason to set a pass/fail score PRIOR to taking part one. That's the biggest scam going to race norm the test to get your desired minimum score. 52 as a passing score months after the grading?? Unbelievable -

Second part is too subjective - with months going by before getting a score. Plus you get NO feedback as to what the right answers were or what they are looking for. A comprehensive review of what they are looking for or right answers would be nice to see where you went wrong. How am people supposed to prepare for the next one if they don't know where they went wrong?

Not to mention people who don't even bother to take part 2 and are promoted anyway.



Start with that.

1/24/2017 08:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh what to do? If he gives up his squeeze, she'll squeeze back.

1/24/2017 08:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know two attorneys who were merit promoted to lieutenant. Each made gold star only a few months later, one ending up deputy superintendent, one a district commander. If someone who managed to get a college degree and then finish law school needs a merit promotion because they don't test well, then something is wrong with this system. Both of these merit promotees came from administrative units and did not work the street for most of their careers.

1/24/2017 08:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Heres the deal, for all of you who thought you had to take the 55yo and out in 2016 to avoid Tier insurance PPO you got fucked and Lied to. Theres no difference between retiring before 2017 or up til June 2017. I know the Union and city told you there was but one last anal probe before you went out the door.

So noe EVERYBODY is on the tier program for Hospitals and Doctors for PPO. Active or 55 and out agreement takers. heres the websight to find out if your Doctor/Hospital is Tier 1 , "https://my.providerfinderonline.com/wayfinding/medicalCare?ci=il-blueoptions&geo_location=60608,chicago,il,city&network_id=96". And thats withiut the " for you dumb fucks.

Like me, who could have stayed an extra day and gotten pay for all those P-days, V-days, allkindadays.

The good news is more and more good Hospitals and Doctors are going tier 1 because everyone in America's health plans are shit and ours are less shittier them most. But its a contractual clause from the last contract and just wait until June, when BLM has its say in our contract, and see what kind of health care we have.

Back when I was inquiring about the 55 and out retirement I had both the union and city benefits tell me I had to retire by 2017 to avoid a tier health care system and keep the same PPO the rest of us had. Ha, ha, ha, isnt that a laugh?

Im glad Im gone anyway but a lot of guys would have stayed a few weeks and collected the 2017 days. Anyways this is what I was able to figure today. Better check your provider if your going to have a procedure and make sure they are tier 1.

Oh and the BCBS register section is fucked up and wont take out new ID numbers. So you cant register. Good luck.

1/24/2017 08:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"(OT) went to point blank range in Hodgkins by the quarry theatre not going to explain but coppers will understand it is very "police friendly" nice clean great people. Was talking to range guy concealed carry holders are good for 3 years while coppers have to pay to carry every year why is this not 3 years also?"

Your range guy is wrong. Get what you pay for?

1/24/2017 08:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I'm not an EJ fan at all, but I don't believe the Sup has ever been a merit pick. I know he was not a merit Sgt and I know he missed the Lt list by one ( which would suck for anybody) and then, took the next test and made it on his own.

You're correct. Supt. does NOT get to merit select ANYONE. Nor, I believe, does anyone above the rank of Deputy Chief.

1/24/2017 04:46:00 PM

Au contraire...............he is the ONLY person to get to choose Captains. No one else has a say.
Its in the order.

1/24/2017 08:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

TD 9.5 ran rings around the young interviewer on Chicago Tonight. Raccoon Eyes was nothing but a ton of misdirection and bullshit. He tried to turn the table and started to ask questions of the kid! Usher (?) something or other is the kid's name. He tried to nail down TD 9.5 about what he was going to do with out federal funds if Chicago remains a sanctuary city. TD 9.5 stated Chicago would remain a sanctuary city, but never answered about the lost funds.

1/24/2017 08:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I came on over 30 years ago with that high school education you talk about and have been in a district my entire career. Made Sgt legit from the 1993 test (there was no merit). I haven't obtained the 4 year degree in ANYTHING you seem to value so much, to be able to make the next step to Lieutenant, but I'm good with that. I'm in a great district, on a great watch with great bosses and officers. I wouldn't change a thing."

Just fecking beautiful. If it was good enough 30 years ago, it should be good enough today, eh? Glad fecking time has stood still for ya. New Flash! The rest of the world has moved on. Yer a fecking dinosaur and don't even know it.

1/24/2017 09:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Feds are coming boys. Pucker your buttholes.

1/24/2017 09:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Superman President Trump calls out rahm, law and order coming back soon:


http://abc7chicago.com/news/trump-tweets-hell-send-the-feds-to-chicago-for-violence/1719444/

1/24/2017 10:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The FEDS are coming Rahmmie! And, they are not coming here to help you draft some stricter gun laws! Bwahahahahahahahahahah!

1/24/2017 10:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nod. The feds are coming in. Run Rham run! Bring in the Guard President Trump!.

1/24/2017 10:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT

Did George Soros, pick our favorite Cook County DA?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/in-jefferson-county-colorado-george-soros-found-justice-was-not-for-sale/article/2612768#!

"His best ROI appeared to come in Illinois and Georgia. In Chicago, his independent campaign essentially determined the primary winner in heavily Democratic Cook County"

1/24/2017 11:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BREAKING: Yesterday big ego Rahmn had to comment on the crowd size conterversy of the inauguration and put his two cents in as to how the Administration should be sending more money in terms of social programs to stop the violence in Chicago. Well that combined with FOX News today with Greg Gutfeld's (The Five Show) monologue saying Rahmn should step down and the O'Reilly Factor where O'Reilly slams Rahmn for not addressing the shootings and killings may have led the President to tweet if Chicago can't address the violence he will send in the Feds. What was Rahmn thinking when he opened his big mouth. This is a call to arms for members & retired members of CPD. Instead of us complaining for years on this blog (There is no criticism of whomever writes this blog, as they are excellent and have spent countless hours delivering the news of what is really going on in this city. I for one thank them for what they do.) we need to become proactive. Everyone else has protests on the street or at city hall and they are covered in the news media. We do nothing but complain. We need to march on the Hall to let the public know we do not support Rahm or the Superintendent. The public thinks we do. I think that if the Trump administration saw this blog and and we write to the new Whitehouse.gov website it will be a start.

1/24/2017 11:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Special Ed is the number one reason against Merit Promotions. He can make a decision or statement unless tiny dancer tells what to say and do.

1/24/2017 11:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a 2nd generation cop. My old man is near retirement. He came on with the minimum education. He tried to get me not to be a cop. I didn't listen. I came on with a master's degree. Pretty soon, my sister will be on and she has a bachelor's. Everything I ever wanted to be a cop for, I learned from him. My biggest mentors, except maybe a onesie or twosie, have less education than me. My education is for future opportunities. I agree fully with what I've learned from the old heads about the new college class "too much college, not enough high school." My college education and experience has relevance but on the street I put it on the shelf. Nobody cares.

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"Simply riveting!"
- The New York Times

"So much useless bullshit that no one gives a fuck about, you'll miss sleep due to anxiety."
- The No One Cares Daily Tribune


1/24/2017 11:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regarding IROCC v CCW:

IROCC is based on the idea that police have/had at least yearly qualification while they were active duty. Plus the average IROCC holder is probably quite a bit older than the CCW holders. So the more frequent testing for IROCC may be a good idea.

The Illinois IROCC car is good nation wide. The Illinois CCW card is good only in Illinois and any other state the Illinois recognizes. Which is probably none.

Both programs are self funded and we're established only because either court order or Fed law. The political powers continue to oppose it and obstruct it.

1/24/2017 11:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"" Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT....A big FUCK YOU to FOP for agreeing to this terrible healthcare plan! Our family's long time pediatrician is now a tier 2 and we can't afford it. In fact there are really no pediatricians in our area that are not in tier 2. Also we can't use any of the children's hospitals in Chicago unless you want to pay tier 2 prices. Also my wife's OBGYN is also now a tier 2. What the fuck did you agree to FOP? You suck!!! I suggest everyone do their homework before getting shocked by this shit plan and also vote these clowns out!""

Yeah and an even bigger Fuck You! To the FOP for telling us we had to grab the 55 and out in 2016 to avoid the tier plan. So now I lost all those V,P,H,BF days cause I didnt stay until June and Now I find out while my Hospital is tier 1 my fucking Doctor who treats an injury is tier fucking 2. And all my wifes doctors are tier fucking 2.

You want to hear more? The city also fucked out of the blue a bunch of other retiree's who are eating their entire monthly premiums.

And once last one, come June get ready for the big fuck as our health plan is whittled even more as they sweet talk the youngins to grab cash instead of health care. It will be back to staying until your 63 and then getting a 2nd full time job until God shows mercy and just lets you have the big one in your sleep.

1/25/2017 12:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A big problem of the merit process is deputies on the merit board have a sumission. How can a police officer with no clout being submitted by a district commander have a chance. The entire process is rigged. To answer the question about what did Peña's driver do to deserve merit, absolutely nothing, being submitted by a deputy of Chief is pretty much guaranteed. Look for a female driver of a retired deputy in the next couple sergeant classes.

1/25/2017 12:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Lets not forget about the meritorious promotions to PPO in the academy. Just how many unqualified kids are out there??
And they want to lower the standard again.

1/24/2017 10:22:00 AM

LOL.! Yes Meritorious PPOs.! They're good kids, they just don't do so well on tests. Coming to an academy near you. All part of the Eddie and Rham "let's just give em a chance" hiring methodology. Which if that's the case, I will nominate and sponsor Vincent Richardson to be meritoriously promoted to the rank of PPO. That kid really wants to be the police!


1/25/2017 01:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Haha, this is a very relevant comment. Take the Advice in court from some ASAs who tend to speak the truth. ASAs can always tell an 011th district delivery case. It's scary how every single narrative is cookie cutter.. they might be able to make the arrests out there but when it comes to writing paper and testifying on those cases they are the worst. Not trying to make enemies but we all notice and so do the judges so be careful. There is a reason so many outside law firms focus on 011th district drug cases so much lately. There is something much bigger on the horizon. If you're going to continue to do delivery cases learn the law, tighten up your paper and for gods sake learn to testify. Having the same story or some slight modification for every case is not good. Is there like a universal 011th district delivery/possession template passed out at roll call or something??? A lot of people are taking notice, especially the wrong people. Don't forget, there is a new regime at 26th and cal and outside law firms are asking her to look at all the delivery cases from out west.... only allegedly of course."

This crap has been going on for 20 years. The 3rd Watch knuckleheads running around in their Fillmore Ranger Ball caps.
They'd have so many dope cases lose track, miss court and get deviated to the point they wound up giving the city back time so in essence they were going to court for free. Not surprising to see the stupidity continues on to this day.

1/25/2017 01:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Haha, this is a very relevant comment. Take the Advice in court from some ASAs who tend to speak the truth. ASAs can always tell an 011th district delivery case. It's scary how every single narrative is cookie cutter.. they might be able to make the arrests out there but when it comes to writing paper and testifying on those cases they are the worst. Not trying to make enemies but we all notice and so do the judges so be careful. There is a reason so many outside law firms focus on 011th district drug cases so much lately. There is something much bigger on the horizon. If you're going to continue to do delivery cases learn the law, tighten up your paper and for gods sake learn to testify. Having the same story or some slight modification for every case is not good. Is there like a universal 011th district delivery/possession template passed out at roll call or something??? A lot of people are taking notice, especially the wrong people. Don't forget, there is a new regime at 26th and cal and outside law firms are asking her to look at all the delivery cases from out west.... only allegedly of course.

1/24/2017 08:16:00 AM

This is a straight up lie. The ASA's in Narcotics know a lot of the 011th district coppers, especially the guys in 313. They know exactly what the judges and ASAs are looking for. I swear someone wrote the same exact thing about 5 years ago.

1/25/2017 02:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah listen I know your doctor , lawyer , accountant , nurse , etc didn't score well enough To pass the exam but we 'meritoriously' made him / her anyway . No worries ! ... Sound absurd ?

1/25/2017 02:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1/24/2017 09:37:00 AM
Blogger john said...
Tests are not that hard if you study and have an IQ over 100.

1/24/2017 09:48:00 AM

It helps even more if N.O.B.L.E. Gene Williams is your mentor.... right Nakita and friends???

1/25/2017 03:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I took the lieutenants test 3 times. The first time was in the era of "examscam" where I did very well on the written essay. Those same questions were asked during the oral boards. This was where the magic occurred for people with clout. On the third and last test, I did the worst. The Commander of our district, who was a fair and just man, called all of the sergeants who took the exam in to write them up for merit. At that point I was over with it and did not want to participate but was told by others to do so as not to insult the Commander for the effort that the Commander was putting forth for all the sergeants. So I went for the interview the boss put a lot of effort into writing it up and I was thankful. But he said what other things to you do outside of the department do you do like, do you coach any kids sports teams, do you do anything at your church, have you ever helped in food drives, or helped the homeless. I said why is this relevant? He said everybody is putting this in the resumes. While sitting there he even called another Commander and asked him, what are your guys putting in their resumes. This Commander was a good boss and took care of his people. But I thought this system is really screwed up if what you do in your outside life should have a bearing on the decision to promote someone to the rank of lieutenant.

1/25/2017 04:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How its done in other places...


https://singaporearmchaircritic.wordpress.com/2013/09/09/how-meritocracy-entrenches-inequality/

1/25/2017 07:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Eddie learnt police work from his great grandpa, Charlie Chan's driver.

1/24/2017 05:58:00 PM

Now that is great comedy! WAY too funny!!! LOL

1/25/2017 08:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I came on over 30 years ago with that high school education you talk about and have been in a district my entire career. Made Sgt legit from the 1993 test (there was no merit). I haven't obtained the 4 year degree in ANYTHING you seem to value so much, to be able to make the next step to Lieutenant, but I'm good with that. I'm in a great district, on a great watch with great bosses and officers. I wouldn't change a thing."

Just fecking beautiful. If it was good enough 30 years ago, it should be good enough today, eh? Glad fecking time has stood still for ya. New Flash! The rest of the world has moved on. Yer a fecking dinosaur and don't even know it.


It just shows that you can do the job if you're smart. You don't necessarily need a piece of paper to do your job effectively. I have a college degree, but courtesy of CPD, but common sense can't be taught. You either have it or you dont.

1/25/2017 08:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

9:02 AM. It would be easier to identify the top CPD command staff that did not receive a merit promotion , 20% or less

1/25/2017 08:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Regarding IROCC v CCW:

IROCC is based on the idea that police have/had at least yearly qualification while they were active duty. Plus the average IROCC holder is probably quite a bit older than the CCW holders. So the more frequent testing for IROCC may be a good idea.

The Illinois IROCC car is good nation wide. The Illinois CCW card is good only in Illinois and any other state the Illinois recognizes. Which is probably none.

Both programs are self funded and we're established only because either court order or Fed law. The political powers continue to oppose it and obstruct it.
1/24/2017 11:58:00 PM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I don't understand the yearly qualification for IROCC.
If I have been the police for 20+ years, have trained for 20+ years, have qualified for 20+ years why would I have to qualify again each and every year for an IROCC when a CCW Only needs to qualify once every 5years. You've got a 16hour class for CCW and once every 5yrs to requalify? It makes no sense.

1/25/2017 08:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I got clout what you about!!

1/25/2017 08:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

"Haha, this is a very relevant comment. Take the Advice in court from some ASAs who tend to speak the truth. ASAs can always tell an 011th district delivery case. It's scary how every single narrative is cookie cutter.."

~Snip!~

"This crap has been going on for 20 years. The 3rd Watch knuckleheads running around in their Fillmore Ranger Ball caps. They'd have so many dope cases lose track, miss court and get deviated to the point they wound up giving the city back time so in essence they were going to court for free. Not surprising to see the stupidity continues on to this day."

1/25/2017 01:41:00 AM


20 years?
Are you kidding? Much longer than that...

The 11th District Drop-Case Template, eh?

We'll say this... There were pretty sharp
bosses on the watch once-upon-a-time and
even though they wouldn't discourage you
from doing your LEGITIMATE thing in fighting
the more than ample crime, they WOULD say
something on occasion when really goofy
shit got slid across their desk for approval.

It was the same cast of characters who
sought to have THEIR pictures appear in
the ghetto dictionary next to the definition
of "Slick."

It was the height of silly...
People on the watch jumping out of
gangways to catch some mope with a pack
or holding themselves down on "an investigation"
when a call for service on their beat came out.

"Tryin' to get on Tact/go to Narcotics so fukdat..."
How about handling your beat, "slick."
Your fellow officers are tired of taking up your slack
plus you're being looked at.

(Still snicker about the van full of money
the Feds dropped off hoping some Coppers
would get in it and take it... Unlocked,
windows down and parked without the shit-heads
being in it from day one was the tip-off
according to one of the Coppers that finally
hooked it)

But anyhoo...

Cloned narcotics paperwork from 011 has been
in and out of scrutiny since God Knows When.

Police Like You Have No Friends.

1/25/2017 10:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So now I lost all those V,P,H,BF days cause I didnt stay until June


Is this shit true? You have to stay until June for them to pay for unused days?

1/25/2017 10:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Years ago a new Commander was assigned to the 024th District. Then the request came out for Commanders to submit their merit nominees. The new Commander said he was not familiar with the 24th Districk personnel and that his nominess would come from his previous assignment. As a result no one from 024 got a chance to get a bite out of the apple.

1/24/2017 09:35:00 AM

The only one Boggs ever got promoted was Scanlon and she had Devine whack. Shit, Roussell couldn't get Alexa made. Took Staples making Chief for that to happen.

1/25/2017 10:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Illinois IROCC car is good nation wide. The Illinois CCW card is good only in Illinois and any other state the Illinois recognizes. Which is probably none.

My IL CCL card is good in most of the states, and every state that shares a border with IL

1/25/2017 10:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sad thing is that if you add the merit percentage with how many people got the answers or knew what orders to study, it's more like 50%. That's pathetic. Hard to be a nobody on this job

1/25/2017 11:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"But I thought this system is really screwed up if what you do in your outside life should have a bearing on the decision to promote someone to the rank of lieutenant."

You need to get caught up with the times. You ever notice now how they're making a big deal for professional athletes to become involved with community work? Tells people something about your character. Why? If two guys are equal except that one has a record of volunteering, working with kids, Big Brother, etc., which one looks better in the eyes of a boss? And which ones make that boss look better to his boss?

1/25/2017 11:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The Illinois IROCC car is good nation wide. The Illinois CCW card is good only in Illinois and any other state the Illinois recognizes. Which is probably none."
- - - - - -

More misinformation. Currently 29 states recognize the Illinois CCL. That's the same Illinois CCL that's issued for a 5-year period, not 3.

1/25/2017 11:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT....A big FUCK YOU to FOP for agreeing to this terrible healthcare plan! Our family's long time pediatrician is now a tier 2 and we can't afford it. In fact there are really no pediatricians in our area that are not in tier 2. Also we can't use any of the children's hospitals in Chicago unless you want to pay tier 2 prices. Also my wife's OBGYN is also now a tier 2. What the fuck did you agree to FOP? You suck!!! I suggest everyone do their homework before getting shocked by this shit plan and also vote these clowns out!

1/24/2017 05:00:00 PM

Funny how coppers allow history to repeat itself. This is not the first time Dean Angelo has fucked us on Healthcare. He and his entire slate of incumbents lied to the members in 2001 after negotiating our contract stating we did not sign an agreement with the city to attach a percentage to your pay check for healthcare numerous times and at several FOP meetings. We voted the contract down and was informed by the arbitrator that FOP did in fact sign an agreement with the city agreeing to have a percentage for healthcare attached to our paycheck, confirming the FOP lie by Angelo and all his incumbent running mates who were all swept from office in the 2002 election. I was amazed that he even had the balls to run for FOP office last election but even more amazed at the number of coppers who ignored his history of lies and deceit and elected him president.

1/25/2017 12:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One other FOP related question - Why doesn't the blue voice blog post any reader's comments? The lack of a forum makes me suspicious of that group's real motives. We need true leaders to run for office, not "semi cops" whose ambitions are purely self promotion.

1/24/2017 05:02:00 AM

Really. Their blog is a way to communicate their views and vision for the FOP. Not give a sounding board to every everyone running against them so they can post their bullshit.

1/25/2017 12:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT....A big FUCK YOU to FOP for agreeing to this terrible healthcare plan! Our family's long time pediatrician is now a tier 2 and we can't afford it. In fact there are really no pediatricians in our area that are not in tier 2. Also we can't use any of the children's hospitals in Chicago unless you want to pay tier 2 prices. Also my wife's OBGYN is also now a tier 2. What the fuck did you agree to FOP? You suck!!! I suggest everyone do their homework before getting shocked by this shit plan and also vote these clowns out!


What is going to happen is the increased fees charged by the tier 2 doctors are going to get you to your out of pocket limit real quick. After you reach that its doesn't matter which tier. So figure your yearly medical expense will be the out of pocket for tier2 which is $1500 for individual and $3000 for family

1/25/2017 05:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
9:02 AM. It would be easier to identify the top CPD command staff that did not receive a merit promotion , 20% or less

1/25/2017 08:29:00 AM

Try 0%
All current had at least one merit bump in their career. Untold amount had the noblest of answers...

1/25/2017 05:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...



Anonymous Anonymous said...
The Illinois IROCC car is good nation wide. The Illinois CCW card is good only in Illinois and any other state the Illinois recognizes. Which is probably none.

My IL CCL card is good in most of the states, and every state that shares a border with IL



So do you bust a nut when you cross the state border?

1/25/2017 07:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Anonymous Anonymous said...
The Illinois IROCC car is good nation wide. The Illinois CCW card is good only in Illinois and any other state the Illinois recognizes. Which is probably none.

My IL CCL card is good in most of the states, and every state that shares a border with IL



You're IL CCL is good in about 22 States as I recall off hand.

And Michigan is Open Carry without a CCL. Move to Michigan....they take LEO Transfers.

1/25/2017 07:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I'm a 2nd generation cop. My old man is near retirement. He came on with the minimum education. He tried to get me not to be a cop. I didn't listen. I came on with a master's degree. Pretty soon, my sister will be on and she has a bachelor's. Everything I ever wanted to be a cop for, I learned from him. My biggest mentors, except maybe a onesie or twosie, have less education than me. My education is for future opportunities. I agree fully with what I've learned from the old heads about the new college class "too much college, not enough high school." My college education and experience has relevance but on the street I put it on the shelf. Nobody cares.

+++++++++

When will your thrilling autobiography be available for purchase on Amazon Prime???

"Simply riveting!"
- The New York Times

"So much useless bullshit that no one gives a fuck about, you'll miss sleep due to anxiety."
- The No One Cares Daily Tribune

1/24/2017 11:53:00 PM

Don't be angry. Maybe your children will go to college and write nice things about you on the blog. And maybe help get you some counseling or a therapy dog or something.

1/25/2017 08:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You need to get caught up with the times. You ever notice now how they're making a big deal for professional athletes to become involved with community work? Tells people something about your character. Why? If two guys are equal except that one has a record of volunteering, working with kids, Big Brother, etc., which one looks better in the eyes of a boss? And which ones make that boss look better to his boss?

1/25/2017 11:42:00 AM

What in hell does doing community work have to do with a vetting process to pick a police officer for a promotion? Ones that make that boss look better to his boss. Your logic sounds sophomoric and flawed. The interviewer should be comparing candidates against each other as to their educational backgrounds, leadership abilities, work knowledge, initiative, ratings, appearance, quality & quantity of work and many more. Are you looking for qualified police officers or people who excel in unrelated extracurricular activities like best loved little league coach or best baritone in the church choir? Are you speaking from experience? Are you one of "those" merit appointees?😜

1/26/2017 12:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"What in hell does doing community work have to do with a vetting process to pick a police officer for a promotion?"

They're looking for well-rounded individuals, not just hot heads.

1/26/2017 10:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The interviewer should be comparing candidates against each other as to their educational backgrounds, leadership abilities, work knowledge, initiative, ratings, appearance, quality & quantity of work and many more."

:D
That's hilarious. You want them to do something that makes sense? Compare qualities their double merit, butt kissing, never did nothing @sses don't have themselves and wouldn't know what those were if not for the internet?
You're a comedian!!

1/26/2017 04:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"What in hell does doing community work have to do with a vetting process to pick a police officer for a promotion?"

They're looking for well-rounded individuals, not just hot heads.

1/26/2017 10:59:00 AM

So you either do community work or you're a hot head? Okay

1/26/2017 07:59:00 PM  

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