Opening Closed Investigations?
So we got an e-mail recently that had some info on a GoFundMe page for two guys who were stripped and placed in a no-pay status.
What was startling about the entire incident is that they were stripped for an alleged Rule violation - over 13 years ago. The date of incident is 2003 and supposedly, one or both officers signed off on and served suspension time.
So who is opening 13 year old beefs and why?
What was startling about the entire incident is that they were stripped for an alleged Rule violation - over 13 years ago. The date of incident is 2003 and supposedly, one or both officers signed off on and served suspension time.
So who is opening 13 year old beefs and why?
Labels: un-fucking-believable
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
78 Comments:
https:/www.gofundme.com/unfair-labor-action
The mayor needs a high number of officer punished and terminated!
Election time will soon be near for RAHM and he will drag out high numbers of police suspended and fired to gain black votes.
Why do you think the court section give out a day automatically! Hell they cant even actually write the spar they copy it.
AND TRUMP aint giving him a nickel for anything TOO.
Stay fetal, people. Do the minimum. That's the only way.
This witch hunt is starting to get scary.
So is that double jeopardy or the Cozzi Effect?
Here's another one. A detective on disability got divorced over ten years ago and never notified the city of the divorce. The city has been paying the spouse's insurance which is regularly used. Do we really have this many idiots on the job. City to send out marriage declarations to all active members. This should be interesting.
A officer in 007!got fired for a 10 year old domestic. Not sure what's going on
It seems that the plan was to revisit already
adjudicated beefs under cover of the
not-gonna-happen-now consent decree that Rahm
was so hot to have put in place.
Nothing appeals to the low-information electorate
more than "we're finally gonna punish those out
of control Cops," which Rahm was assured of getting
lots of mileage out of for the 2019 mayoral election.
"Winning is everything," Rahm said.
He wins a third term in 2019 then resigns to run for
president in 2020.
Rahm's on a tight schedule.
Imagine the positive media spin that was pre-planned...
"I took on those wild-assed Chicago Cops and forced
them into a consent decree to break their culture of
corruption and their 'blue code of silence.'
I also put the Cops on a diet and made them do more
with less and saving Billions by cutting staff,
cutting expenditures and reducing healthcare
and pension costs.
Elect me President or else..."
All part of the narrative of "Taking On The Police"
while trying not to upset the armed wing of the
catered-to constituency known as Dude Inc.
Chicago politicians would rather piss off the law
abiding, tax paying citizens, Policemen, Firemen
and others who play a part in trying to keep this
place passably civilized and habitable, than run
the risk of getting sideways with Dude Inc...
>CRASH!<
...Flaming car through the front door
courtesy of Dude Inc...
How does that surprise anyone
Cant be punished twice, that's a fact.
Once again - bizzare activity with IAD/IPRA, et. al. while the lie-tenants still march around like nobility and Deano flounders impotently.
When it comes to defending the rank & file - Deano is too busy making sure that ballots are withheld for recently graduated recruits and other ballots are sent to former officers promoted to Sgt years ago.
Retired .38 spl +P
What purpose does it serve for them to go back that far and search for stuff that was supposedly 'signed off on'? So you can get fired for some shit you did eons ago and already took days for. Not good enough for them I guess. They have to keep sacrificing you at the alter of 'Rhams appeasment to the community politics'.
Wow.
Could this be Kim Foxx looking for some notches in her gun??
She's racist and incompetent.
Flea is a great guy. He's a family man, came from humble beginings but did something with his life. This is a real shame.
Word from someone in the know:
Designated department personnel along with civilian oversight are currently reviewing accusations from years ago and heads will be chopped. Thought nothing of it, until putting the 2and2 together... Why would the city all of the sudden administer 2 tests back to back, nothing is a coincidence in this department.
Clue: Few might be fixing to be fired.
Rahm's not running for president. The mayor's position is all he has left because he's washed up. He's a pariah and has no power except here. Washington DC doesn't want him. Didn't you notice at the DNC he wasn't sitting next to the Clintons when they were certain Hillary was going to win. He's a loser and everyone knows it.
You have to have a legitimate reason to reopen a beef. IPRA does not do things legitimately. IPRA also does not suffer any consequences when they screw you over.
You can sign off on suspension time and the Supt can increase it. Once you serve the time it should be over, but we know what happened to Cozzi.
Five years is supposed to be the limit in an investigation according to the Chicago police board unless the reset button has been hit.
These officers have to prove that hitting the reset button was not legal, that there was no new information.
Best of luck guys. We are rooting for you.
Rahm running for president? Of the United States? No way. He might win president of the Hillary fan club. Maybe.
Sounds like a scam
They signed off on their suspension but hadn't served it yet.
This is happening more often then one thinks. I hear stories like this in every District. This is a tragic witch hunt with coppers families taking the punch. This has to change and only one canidate I know will stand up for coppers and go to the media and file lawsuits can against the city. Mike Shields has balls!
Thanks for letting this all happen Dean with a blind eye and no voice. We will see in a few weeks when your ass is out of office what Rahmn promised you!
not sure how I feel about Fr Brandt being a donor on that page....yes, its a supportive brotherhood gesture and the good father loves all Gods children- and I applaud his transparency. Oh well, will stay positive and assume he hands cash to all members in a no pay status.
No, they never took time or finished the investigation. There was a lawsuit for the incident and most of the investigation didn't take place until that finished. The investigation literally went on for that long. They got caught lying for a pursuit and they got caught bad. If it's a chase just say it's a chase especially if normal people get hurt. They tried covering their tracks.
Off topic: why is Jesse Jackson Jr. children getting social security? WTF.
They can do whatever they like with Deano at the helm of FLOP
fuck this city anyone doing any kind of police is fucken stpid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get on this Deano, quick!
Rule 14
https://www.cityofchicago.org/content/dam/city/depts/cpb/PoliceDiscipline/16PB2923Charges.pdf
This is the problem guys with our current union with Dean Angelo. This should not be happening but will continue under this silent and passive union leadership. You must vote Dean out. This is not acceptable and their are measures to take regarding this. I think it's time we start calling the State Lodge and put the pressure on them.
Maybe the last sup never signed off on the agreed punishment? Maybe the new guy threw them under the bus before the DOJ report. Just maybe.
"Anonymous said...
Cant be punished twice, that's a fact."
Ever heard of Bill Cozi?
I Always Took This Kind Of Batter, With A "Grain of Salt". Just Another Way To Sound Off. Now I Am Witness To, and Subject To This Arrogant, Ego, Elitist Behavior. I Live In The 45th. Ward, and Now, With Others, The "Victim" of Our Alderman. He Is Bringing In Large "Low Income" aka "Public Housing Projects" To The Northwest Side of Chicago. He Does Not Listen, nor Care About The Fact He Is Destroying Out Neighborhood. I Can Now See That Same "Ambition" In The Mayor. These People Pretend To Take The "Moral" High Ground, With Their "Duty" To Help The So Called "Less Advantaged" While They Ruin The Lives Of Decent, Hard Working, Tax Paying, Republican Voting Others.
"Be Afraid, Be Very Afraid" !
Ill gladly donate but sometimes officers bring this shit on themselves. Who has the story so i know whether or not to donate?
Multiple Rule 14 violations
When you sign something it is a contract! These officers need to file civil suits you can't be punished twice.
But if they believe FOP is going to run to their rescue good luck you get what you pay for!
It's really a shame what this Department is turning into now. Loved this job at one point. Really two great guys and excellent P.O.'s/gentlemen had the privilege to work with them. It's time to just stay fetal answer your calls and just back each other up.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Cant be punished twice, that's a fact.
3/02/2017 01:22:00 AM
No jack that's not a fact! Many have been cleared, served suspensions and have had things reopened, some have even been brought up on charges! The reality is if your unfortunate to be cleared next thing you know your in federal court sworn in as the defendant with the "United States vs you" and opening question statement is "state your assets and liabilities" that is reality! If you think all the bullshit pieces of paper and "awards" mean anything your delusional. They mean absolutely nothing, you hang them on your wall, or throw them in a drawer.
It is an extremely sad state of affairs what is being done to the once proud CPD, from dishonest media, to the city freely throwing police officers under the bus and freely scooping out hundreds of millions in taxpayers money for lawsuits without fighting all of them!
Thats the fact jack:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3I97IFc_zU
Look at the new weed General Order. The arrest of the urban yourh for posession of weed is dropping like a bag of bricks. Rahm will point to the lower arress as proof of his reforms of out of control racist profiling police is taking hiold. However he wont push that the officers aren't even allowed to contact the Juveniles parent of the ticket if issued. It s a win win for him. Less arrested and crime down to parents. Isn't dear leader great. fetal mentality will only be used to blame the police for a rise in crime. But the lower arrest in contrast to broken windows theory will be his police reforms working against a corrupt police department taking hiold.
It's called witch hunt and railroading
This wasn't a witch hunt. These guys tried to play a game with a pursuit and concoct a story that didn't give and ended up biting them in the behind. They didn't re opens the case. The case has been pending since it happened 13 years ago. It got held up by a civil lawsuit and a long civil trial that finally ended in 2015. After the civil trial they wrapped up the investigation and they recommended firing. Eddie Johnson didn't agree and asked for a long suspension. The police board disagreed and said they should be fired. Trust me, there is much more to this story than meets the eye. The story these coppers came up was rediculous. Go onto the website for the police board and read all about the case and how they got caught up, you won't be as sympathetic with what happened. Some guys just can't help themselves. If the would have told the truth they would have ended up taking maybe a day.. at most 3 and it would have been all over with.
I fought the Law and the Law won
fop elections 7 more days to go Vote Vote Vote do not elect any retired for trustees especially Harold Brown!!
They know cops don't have money to hire private attorneys to help them so they will do what they want to us. The FOP won't help you, not unless you have an in there.
Keep working hard! Sign up for that VRI! Get some movers, parkers, curfews, and pimp arrests! The department has your back. Rahm said so, so it must be true!
Rahm wants to be able to say during his next campaign for mayor that he cleaned house at CPD after the Laquan McDonald shooting. He doesn't care if the beefs are brand new or 20 years old. He is looking for heads. In addition, Foxx will also be looking at old incidents to see if she can find some POs to prosecute. She has to crucify some coppers in order to satisfy her base including the revruns. Be smart. Do not give Rahm and Foxx the opportunity to put you in a trick bag. Proactive policing is fraught with danger for the police in today's anti police climate.
Anonymous said...
Cant be punished twice, that's a fact.
3/02/2017 01:22:00 AM
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Sure, right on, you are a special snowflake. (Not only a snowflake but special....)
Cant be punished twice, that's a fact.
3/02/2017 01:22:00 AM
An alternative one.
I guess they want to make it up to the police by giving them hundreds of thousands when they prevail in their lawsuits.
DOUBLE JEOPARDY
"I'll take Chicago DemocRats for $500.00, Alex."
Seems to be a trend in village, city, and county government. Check around and you will see officers, "voluntarily?" leaving the job all over illandannoy. Whole Fire Departments have been closed and personnel put out of work. At the same time services are being privatized and again employee's out of work. We can't afford to take care of the "FAITHFUL LOYAL SUPPORTIVE" workers. The powers that be can't steal if they have to pay all these pensions and benefits. There is a special place in "HELL" for all these politicians! Besides I have yet to go to a wake where the casket had drawers on it.
Civil rights complaint violation had expired and/or the lawyers settled, so now it's all up to the City witchhunt, therefore
The PrickFoxxRahmWrinkle Office is stretching for a few dozen scapegoats of non-colour to make their point to the community.
The New Administrations Attorney General is not going forward to pander to Rahm Emanuel evaporating political agenda.
The goal is to fire somebody, but allow past mayor appointed Merit Exempt Hacks to slither into retirement without much notice.
Speaking of civil rights violations (solely placed on the individual law enforcement officer), why in the grand scope of the violation the Mayor, The Count Board President, the Stupid InTended, the inept Judges, who are all allowing the bloodshed, the maiming and basically ignoring the escalating violent crime held accountable to the civil rights of just the bystanders?
The only asshole in the bunch is the lowly patrolman getting brought before the constant firing squad of biased social justice motormouths.
Why is the City,County and State officials getting the free pass and immunity ?
Is there any reason to be pro-active?
Stay Fetal - No ISR's, No CB's, No CR's.
Screw Rahm and hope your 10+ old "demanded by the boss""arrests don't come back to bite you.
(OT) Federal agents just raided 3 caterpillar locations in Peoria Illinois:
http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/crime/239164855-story
Come on guys come here you could raid 3 locations here easily city hall, county building, state house
Yes, The original case is old. The Sgt was recently involved in a deposition in relation to a lawsuit from the original pursuit that he took time for. Something was not kosher with his depo. resulting in the current punishment and is not directly related to the original investigation. Know your facts before you start spouting off about things. Don't become like how the leftist media acts and don't become part of the problem, become part of the answer.
Can ipra look into the following :cheaters from our own IAD who had the Lt's test a year prior to it being given out. Maybe start with #1, (lol
No one believes it you fool)then just keep moving down the top 20 to start with. Where they merit Sgt's that's a real big clue on their test taking skills. God help us!!!!!!
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Look at cases at police board seriously disturbing can't reopen cases read some:
http://www.cpbinfocenter.org/
If you read the police board report you can see that the Superintendant recommended discharge. NOT what he is going around telling everyone that he did not. Just another inconsistency in his words, deeds and actions!!!
Why can't we get these corrupt judges off the benches? Rumor has it that a certain judge was advising the defense, in open court, on how to handle their case for the best outcome...This is the case with the black defendants who tortured the mentally challenged male. UNREAL.
Anonymous said...
No, they never took time or finished the investigation. There was a lawsuit for the incident and most of the investigation didn't take place until that finished. The investigation literally went on for that long. They got caught lying for a pursuit and they got caught bad. If it's a chase just say it's a chase especially if normal people get hurt. They tried covering their tracks.
3/02/2017 07:31:00 AM
Children need clothes and books and food and a roof over their heads. Spouses who weren't party to the incident still need a home and electricity. Obviously, Father Brandt is a compassionate person. That's something to aspire to, not to disparage.
3/02/2017 12:30:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Here's another one. A detective on disability got divorced over ten years ago and never notified the city of the divorce. The city has been paying the spouse's insurance which is regularly used. Do we really have this many idiots on the job. City to send out marriage declarations to all active members. This should be interesting.
3/02/2017 12:34:00 AM
Sounds like these folks are about to catch a case for mail fraud. Those medical bills go thru the US Mail. A fed case and a loss of the pension. How stupid can people be??
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Could this be Kim Foxx looking for some notches in her gun??
She's racist and incompetent.
3/02/2017 03:00:00 AM
That would be "NO" to all three.
Sad actually. When I came otj the vast majority of the guys on the watch were viet nam vets who had a stripe on their sleeve. The real Police. God help anyone now to act the same. At least the corners were clear, kids could go to school w/o "safe passage" workers, the working folks could get to and from public transit w/o any problems. Reap what you sow libtards. These were black and white Coppers, in predominately minority neighborhoods, doing what needed to be done to keep some semblance of order, to keep the good folks safe, and lock up the trash.
Rant over. Preaching to the choir.
......Five years is supposed to be the limit in an investigation according to the Chicago police board unless the reset button has been hit.....
3/02/2017 06:12:00 AM
Not true. Each CBA has language that restricts any complaint over five years from being investigated unless the superintendent authorizes the investigation. The problem is there is no criteria for when the superintendent can do that. He can do whatever he wants. Language aside, in practice there really is no restriction.
No, they never took time or finished the investigation. There was a lawsuit for the incident and most of the investigation didn't take place until that finished. The investigation literally went on for that long. They got caught lying for a pursuit and they got caught bad. If it's a chase just say it's a chase especially if normal people get hurt. They tried covering their tracks.
3/02/2017 07:31:00 AM
Children need clothes and books and food and a roof over their heads. Spouses who weren't party to the incident still need a home and electricity. Obviously, Father Brandt is a compassionate person. That's something to aspire to, not to disparage.
Then YOU as a spouse should have kept that in mind. Tell the truth and take your lumps like a MAN.
You will be suspended with out pay, You will write an attorney a check for $05-10 thousand to start. You will have it go on for years when you thought months. The above attorney deposit will be gone in a blink and they will bill you $1500-2000 every time you turn around. You will go into foreclosure and your credit will be ruined. The people who called and texted when it started will all fade away with the exception of one or two if you're lucky.If you do wind up winning you will get your job back and back pay minus about 45% for taxes (due to the large amount of the check) and payment to the pension board for the time you were off.When you add the amount you paid your attorney,you will have maybe 20% of the gross amount. The Attorney will explain to you that you have been made Whole in the eyes of the court and it is time to take your foreclosed,200 credit score ass back to work because there is no Millions of $$, civil rights federal case or naming city hall in your honor. DON'T listen to the bullsh*t you hear from people who don't know, if they decide to come after you they have all the time, attorneys and tax payer money to stretch you out for years and they know you don't. The above is a non-criminal beef,if it's criminal add bond money and God forbid Jail time,If you lose you have no house,no credit,no job and terminated as a Law enforcement officer on your resume. What job do you qualify for if all you have ever been is the Police...think about it. Ask any Copper who has been there,the day you hear suspended with-out is the end of life as you know it.
Here's the problem folks, and people too, you fuck up and then give depositions and change the narrative over and over....guess what?????it will come back and haunt you. These guys are getting screwed, no doubt but they left a trail of questions. Nobodies fault but their inexperience that afternoon at Addison and Kedzie. No one else's.
Remember guys, the ballots are DUE AT THE P.O. BOX by Mar 9th. You can also vote in person at the FOP on Mar 10th or drop your ballot at the FOP on Mar 10th. I believe voting only goes until noon. Also, and most important, if you were dilusional or had a TBI and accidentally voted for DEAN you can go on the 10th are recast your ballottine.
IF YOU CANNOT SEE THE CURRENT ADMIN IS LETTING THE CITY F^*k US IN THE A$$ you have serious problems.
#AnyoneButAngelo
Here's another one. A detective on disability got divorced over ten years ago and never notified the city of the divorce. The city has been paying the spouse's insurance which is regularly used. Do we really have this many idiots on the job. City to send out marriage declarations to all active members. This should be interesting.
Do you know how many new-issue medical cards you would have had to change out over the past 10 years? The divorced former-wife was able to use the medical insurance only because her EX gave her access to the new-issue cards over the past 10 years, meaning he was in on the scam himself. Maybe both of them should be jailed by BS/BC of Illinois.
Sounds like these folks are about to catch a case for mail fraud. Those medical bills go thru the US Mail. A fed case and a loss of the pension. How stupid can people be??
Oh okay junior G-Man Jay Edgar likes your style, thinks your hot.
Are you The Gerber Baby Headed Detective Sergeant from Area North always pontificating about U.S. Supreme Court decisions even though you've never have cleared a case by arrest and prosecution. Yeah you, you couldn't catch a cold you male fraud.
I know a bunch of guys that went their entire career with a Rule 14 violation...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I guess they want to make it up to the police by giving them hundreds of thousands when they prevail in their lawsuits.
3/02/2017 02:43:00 PM
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and what substantive facts do you base this on, genius?
Here is the problem with many cases. There is a incident between the police and a citizen. The citizen files a complaint with IPRA. IPRA begins the investigation. The citizen obtains a lawyer. The lawyer tells the citizen if IPRA calls you for a statement tell them that on advice of consul, at this time, I can not give you a statement but I will give you a statement at a later date. The lawyer files a law suite claiming his clients rights were violated. HERE LIES THE ISSUE: Any statement regarding the incident are discoverable in court including any statements the complainant and/or witnesses give to IPRA. The complainant and witness tell IPRA or IAD because of a pending law suite I have been advised that any statement I give can and will be used in the up coming law suite. The complainant and witnesses tell IPRA and IAD after the law suite is settled they will be available for statements. According to directives from the Cooperation Council IPRA and the IAD can not pressure the complainant or witnesses to give statements prior to the settlement of the law suite. After the law suite gets settled the CC is supposedly to notify IPRA and the IAD of the outcome. This might take years. It depends on if the notifications are sent to the units. Depending on the outcome many complaints do not want to bother because they received monies from the city. If this is the case then the case is closed. If the complainant/witnesses are willing to give statements than the case is reopened and investigated. One of the things the present IPRA administrator has done is she went back and looked into any cases that were not fully investigated due to a law suite. There are literally hundreds of case that are being examined at the present time. This is why this is occurring. There is going to be more such cases in the future. I hate to say it but YOU GOT WHAT YOU ASKED FOR. For years and years all everyone has said on this blog that IPRA was fucked up and that they were out to get the police. IPRA is going and so is the 6/7% of cases they sustained. The present chief administrator has told the investigators she wants cases sustained. Her orders are "get them on something, anything". There is going to be an increase of sustained cases due to this directive. This get them at any cost also affects shooting cases. In previous administrations, IPRA found only 4 shooting out of almost 450 as not justified! Again, the present administrator goes over shooting cases with a fine tooth comb. In previous administrations boarder line shootings were given the benefit of the doubt, not now. If the case is boarder line than the attitude is sustain the case and let the accused Officers prove otherwise. There is several issues in play here: It is going to get worse. With the consent degree Rahm is going to push thru the recommendations of the justice department with or without Sessions. Rahm wants to get his "NUMBERS UP ON POLICE PUNISHMENT" Rahm also wants to break the union by forcing bankrupting them. Flood the union with so many cases that the membership is either going to baulk at higher union dues or force the union to pick and choose case it defends. There is another issue here: the movement that complainant do not have to sign affidavits. Rahm's thinking is flood IPRA with soo many cases that the union will be forced to raise dues because of all the legal representation or pick and choose. In other words BREAK THE UNION. Let me say this, in previous IPRA Administrations there were cases that were sustained that SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN. There were several cases that were sustained that was a miscarriage of justice. However taking everything into consideration the previous administrations were nothing compared to the present administration. Again, you got what you asked for now the department members are paying the price. If anyone doubts me just look at the previous years numbers????? A retired IPRA Investigator
I really thought someone ment 2013, NOT 2003 when I first heard this story. I Have been on the job since 2004, unbelievable that they are getting fired now, for something that happened before i was hired
What I don't understand, I read the complaint, it's on the IPRA/Police discipline page
https://www.cityofchicago.org/city/en/depts/cpb/provdrs/police_discipline.html
Is if their case was mediated in 2006, how can they fire them in 2017? 11 years after mediation, and 13 years after the incident. You could probably fire 79 percent of the department if we are playing by these rules.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Here's another one. A detective on disability got divorced over ten years ago and never notified the city of the divorce. The city has been paying the spouse's insurance which is regularly used. Do we really have this many idiots on the job. City to send out marriage declarations to all active members. This should be interesting.
Do you know how many new-issue medical cards you would have had to change out over the past 10 years? The divorced former-wife was able to use the medical insurance only because her EX gave her access to the new-issue cards over the past 10 years, meaning he was in on the scam himself. Maybe both of them should be jailed by BS/BC of Illinois.
3/03/2017 12:08:00 AM
1 of the many that screw it up for the rest of us,and the coppers that think they are slick living outside the city while maintain an apartment here but are not here when they are working so many will be discharged you get no more "time to move back" your immediately terminated no recourse! So much low hanging fruit don't be stupid and if your insane enough to think residency will be gone you really need physiological help it will not ever happen "forgetaboutit"
What I don't understand, I read the complaint, it's on the IPRA/Police discipline page
https://www.cityofchicago.org/city/en/depts/cpb/provdrs/police_discipline.html
Is if their case was mediated in 2006, how can they fire them in 2017? 11 years after mediation, and 13 years after the incident. You could probably fire 79 percent of the department if we are playing by these rules.
I think what they are looking at is their testimony and deposition in the civil trial on the case. That has just occurred in the last year or so
Anonymous said...
I know a bunch of guys that went their entire career with a Rule 14 violation...
3/03/2017 06:54:00 AM
If you have one on your record now, your career is soon to come to a screetching halt!
Do you know how many new-issue medical cards you would have had to change out over the past 10 years? The divorced former-wife was able to use the medical insurance only because her EX gave her access to the new-issue cards over the past 10 years, meaning he was in on the scam himself. Maybe both of them should be jailed by BS/BC of Illinois.
My insurance card stayed the same for almost 10 years, never saw and expiration date on any card and was never told by the drs office or hospital that my card was out of date
Also maybe you should be aware that the city is self insured and BC/BS only administers the plan.
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