Hiring...in 1991
- Few actions by big city governments are as politically charged nowadays as the hiring of a cop.
For years, many cities kept blacks and other minorities off the police force, even while the racial makeup of their populations was changing. Then, to rectify past discrimination, many cities resorted to hiring quotas to balance the police ranks racially and offset the biases of hiring exams. The whole skewed history has guaranteed that, for years to come, hiring a cop will not be a simple personnel decision.
Chicago has a new system for police hiring and it has already come under intense criticism. It is a system, though, that deserves every chance to succeed.
The city administered a police exam in the spring to 24,000 applicants and judged the top third of the test-takers to be ``highly qualified.`` They scored between 87 and 128 on the exam.
In the recent past, the city would have "race-normed" the results of the exam, comparing members of each racial group only with others of the same group, thus giving a boost to some minority applicants.
But that wasn't necessary this time. The city aggressively pursued candidates, recruiting at college campuses and inviting non-residents to apply (with the understanding they would establish residency in the city if accepted). And the new test was devised to eliminate racial bias as much as possible.
And now here we are, 26 years later, only recruiting from one end of the spectrum.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
38 Comments:
The public demands high standards from its police officers. However, the public on the other hand demands that its gov, the City, lower standards to hire individuals with a questionable past and tainted moral compass. Garbage in, garbage out.
Whatever happened to hiring the top scorers first? The best and the brightest? Nope. Bias? Racist? Do you want the best qualified doctor to operate on you? This city s hiring practices are beyond silly.
"Hiring...in 1991"
And damnit we had PLENTY OF HELP TOO!
25 Districts with 400 to 500+ officers each.
PLENTY of cars... None of this waiting
half a tour nonsense.
All beats were manned. none of this several "Ghost Cars"
a watch nonsense.
The bigger and busier districts had from a dozen
to 2 dozen 10-4 Rapid Response cars plus a half
dozen -06 cars hunting for stuff at the W/C's
pleasure.
Cue:
That dark green Box Chevy with one whitewall
tire and 4 different hubcaps for $5.00 from
Maxwell St., no plates, clear plastic taped
over the back window and a bogus "Para Vende
- Cheap!" sign in the back passenger window.
Ran like stink it did... Thanks to the
merry mechanics at A/4 Garage who kept
it power-tuned for a slight fee...
Court?
Please! We kept Cook County full to busting
with rotten, low-life m/fers before they
were adapted by the progressives as a weapon
to be used against the law abiding.
Turned a few m/fers over to the FEDS too.
"Que? La Migra??
WHAAAAAAAHHHH!"
And other federal law-breakers too.
Bat for the cycle in a period and that O/T
check was pretty nice...
Dope Court.
Night Dope Court.
Whore Court.
Gun Court.
Domestic Court.
Male Misd. and Felony.
Female Misd. and Felony.
Auto Impound Hearings.
Traffic Court with two "Keys"
because catching Dude riding
dirty was our thing and we DID
do DUIs and plenty of them.
Policemen were straight mercenary in those days.
Policemen made the city a SHIT TON of MONEY.
Daley was pissed because he couldn't get us
to do all that work for free so all that
"Easy Money" dried up.
Heh...
"Hiring... in 1991" is a feel good story SCC.
We of certain age can just gather around and say:
"Remember when?"
I remember that exam. Scored 128, as did several of my friends. Only one of us got called.
If you are white and you fail the power test you're off the list. If you're black and fail the power test they give you up to three more chances. That's a confirmed fact.
I know minorities who took the April 2016 police exam and passed it and I know some that didn't. One of the reasons candidates are being hired with MCCs and petty misdemeanors in their backgrounds is because years ago it was common to arrest 6 guys for one joint, regardless of who was in possession of it and also the abuse of the disorderly conduct charge. Not to mention officer arresting people and trying to figure out what to charge them with in the process room. So they conjure up some shit. Lol. We've all seen it. How about Mass Transit arresting 11 year olds and autistic children who went under the turnstile trying to get home from school with no money. Arresting children with their book bags on their backs just to say they got "a head" so that they could go home early. Should those 11 year olds be ruined for life? Tact Lieutenants saying "bring in some heads" and we policed with that mentality. #MemoryLane
So we continue to lower the standards until we can get enough minorities on. Sounds like a great plan. I don't see anything that could go wrong here.
So much for the best and the brightest for the taxpayer's dollar. It's now wonder why people are fleeing this city and more than any other in the country.
There is just no winning with minority hiring. Even when they have a black company create the test, and minorities do poorly, they cry racism. Can the black caucus please explain how a test is racially biased. A written explanation would be nice so we have it for future test issues. I know they wanted to eliminate the test all together but imagine what that would lead to.
maybe the city will realize the folly of excluding recruitment to higher social-economic demographic members. the low hire rate of the last two exams and this weekends laughably low attendance mean hiring will not even keep up with attrition- much less produce the extra thousand members the lying mayor promised.
Class of 1986....
Subsidize my health insurance and I'll leave.
You can hire two of whatever you want for my salary.
Until then, no go.
I will be a consumer of health care and an OT hog until my insurance is secured.
💩
The Chicago way this town will be Detroit in a few years time to move fuck this city
Is it me or am I seeing things? Everytime rahmmy and special ed are seen together I see Sesame Street characters!
For years, many cities kept blacks and other minorities off the police force, even while the racial makeup of their populations was changing.
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not true in Chicago. They did put black cops in black neighborhoods, that's true. But that's what they want, right?
when will the liberals bitch about the racial makeup of the CHicago Bulls? I'm serious.
"Well Qualified," "Qualified," "Dumbass" - remember that? No more. Now it is pass/fail ... then a lottery number. WOnder why? Here's why:
THe Civil RIghts Act of 1964 Title VII (Affirmative Action), authored by the EEOC (equal opportunity employment commission), a non-elected body, states when the less successful race does not get hired at a rate 80% of that of the dominant race, a prima facie case of racial discrimination exists. SO if 81 of 100 blacks get hired, and 100 out of 100 whites, then all is good, and the 19 blacks that were not hired cannot sue under the Act. If only 79 blacks get hired, they have a case. It is not yet over for the city though, they can defend the racial ratios. Now its the city's turn to prove the test predicts job performance. If the city can prove that, then the ratios can be justified. If the city cannot, like the recent fire exam, where the court ruled the test did not predict job performance, partly because the entrance exam showed a video from which candidates were to take notes (the court reasoned taking notes from a video did not predict how good of a fireman they would be), then a case of racial discrimination exists. You think brain surgeons fight to show their testing predicts job performance? I would guess they do. Well, the city does not want to prove the police/fire entrance tests predict job performance, they don't even try anymore, so they lower the standards, then pick candidates via a lottery, which, I would guess, are manipulated to make sure the 4/5, or 80% rule, is not a factor.
Signed,
A Det. who knows
I never understood " adverse impact" when it came to written examinations, not for hiring and certainly not for promotion. So, if a racial group just does not test well on an exam based on the english language, then it is " discriminatory"? If a racial group just not test well on a promotion examination that everyone takes based on job knowledge,, then it is " discriminatory"? Sorry, I am still in the dark about that one, as is most people, I think.
Anonymous said...
If you are white and you fail the power test you're off the list. If you're black and fail the power test they give you up to three more chances. That's a confirmed fact.
4/04/2017 03:13:00 AM
If that is really true, that would be a law suit for sure.
They can't give the job away
Facts! Those A------- in Mass Transit arrested my brother who was getting off the Red Line coming home from Catholic High School and did what everyone else was doing at the time, getting on the bus through the rear doors. These f---- took him to the station and called our father who was also the police at the time. He couldn't believe it! Talk about priorities. Meanwhile the pickpockets and robbery crews were running free.
I need the kissing bandit's opinion on this before I form my own.
I took that '91 test. " Highly Qualified ". Took me 3 fucking years to get on.
Rahmmy and tax winkle have turned Chicago into a sewer.
Come on SCC. Don't you know it's not racism when White's are discriminated against?
Aulo impound court made the city $1000 a crack yet they pulled it since them damn coppers were getting a court date out of it. Dope, sounds, guns all gave you two court dates. One for the vehicle and one for dude. Sometimes on a hot summer day in A4 you could get 3-4 a night. Each one came with a court date and yet the city cut us out. After that dude could play his radio as loud as he wanted. NO $, NO IMPOUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A4 court whore, class of 91!
Race norming is Racism.
1985 30grand took test, scored 95 on test I.Q. 95 got made in 2yrs with heavy. Clout
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If you are white and you fail the power test you're off the list. If you're black and fail the power test they give you up to three more chances. That's a confirmed fact.
If true, a great lawsuit. I normally am not a guy to always say sue, but in this case it's appropriate
Chicago will get the police department it deserves.
Special Ed - Class of '91 (?)
Enough said.
91 6A!!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If you are white and you fail the power test you're off the list. If you're black and fail the power test they give you up to three more chances. That's a confirmed fact.
If true, a great lawsuit. I normally am not a guy to always say sue, but in this case it's appropriate
This could not be more Un-True. Everybody gets extra chances to pass the final power test. And you only have to pass the part you failed.
Fuck that. I'm leaving and going on wife's insurance. In 10 years our pension will be gone and no insurance !!!!!
Facts! Those A------- in Mass Transit arrested my brother who was getting off the Red Line coming home from Catholic High School and did what everyone else was doing at the time, getting on the bus through the rear doors. These f---- took him to the station and called our father who was also the police at the time. He couldn't believe it! Talk about priorities. Meanwhile the pickpockets and robbery crews were running free.
Shocking news. I mean the fact that they even made an arrest.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I never understood " adverse impact" when it came to written examinations, not for hiring and certainly not for promotion. So, if a racial group just does not test well on an exam based on the english language, then it is " discriminatory"? If a racial group just not test well on a promotion examination that everyone takes based on job knowledge,, then it is " discriminatory"? Sorry, I am still in the dark about that one, as is most people, I think.
4/04/2017 08:57:00 AM
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If a racial group does not get hired/promoted at a rate 80% of that of the dominant race, then a prima facia case of racial discrimination exists. Period. End of story. The case goes to court. That doesn't mean they automatically win though, the city can prove the test accurately predicts job performance. No discriminatory intent is necessary, just the result counts. In other words a coffee shop could give a spelling test for new hires, with no bad intent. If the racial #'s don't line up (hard to do because it's so small scale but it's an example), then they can sue. When there is intent to racially discriminate, then that's a constitutional violation, I think Equal Protection. But when there is no bad intent they sue under Title VII.
So much for the "Best man for the job". Wonder how many people have got killed because the "best man for the job" just didn't turn out to be a minority or female?
I remember years ago the Memphis fire department hired a woman even though she was unable (unqualified) to meet their minimum standards. She was unable to lift their 200 (I think) pound dummy off the floor of a two story building and carry him down a ladder. But she got the job because she was a woman.
Don't know how long she lasted but its a shame that public safety is put on the chopping block because the "best man for the job" doesn't look like some liberal democrat thinks he/she should look like. Minimum standards should not be lowered so a "maybe he/she can do the job", gets the job.
J.J.
Nobody wants the job now.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I never understood " adverse impact" when it came to written examinations, not for hiring and certainly not for promotion. So, if a racial group just does not test well on an exam based on the english language, then it is " discriminatory"? If a racial group just not test well on a promotion examination that everyone takes based on job knowledge,, then it is " discriminatory"? Sorry, I am still in the dark about that one, as is most people, I think.
4/04/2017 08:57:00 AM
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If a racial group does not get hired/promoted at a rate 80% of that of the dominant race, then a prima facia case of racial discrimination exists. Period. End of story. The case goes to court. That doesn't mean they automatically win though, the city can prove the test accurately predicts job performance. No discriminatory intent is necessary, just the result counts. In other words a coffee shop could give a spelling test for new hires, with no bad intent. If the racial #'s don't line up (hard to do because it's so small scale but it's an example), then they can sue. When there is intent to racially discriminate, then that's a constitutional violation, I think Equal Protection. But when there is no bad intent they sue under Title VII.
4/05/2017 09:47:00 AM
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I think Congress passed the law because they felt employers were using hiring tests as a ruse to weed out blacks.
If you're applying for a job picking apples then an algebra test to weed out blacks is a no-go.
If you are familiar at all with psychometrics, a more intelligent person is going to be even a better apple picker in the long run; less accidents, less time off, less likely to divorce, etc. But's thats another topic that the censoring liberals won't be able to talk about for at least another century.
Facts! Those A------- in Mass Transit arrested my brother who was getting off the Red Line coming home from Catholic High School and did what everyone else was doing at the time, getting on the bus through the rear doors
So your brother committed a crime, but because everyone else does it he should be excused. Your father taught u well. You do know mass transit is suppose to enforce cta/city ordinances which is what ur brother violated. Yeah the police is the problem..and im sure there is more to this story since according to everyone mass transit doesn t do shit..Sure it wasn t special employment looking for that violator resembling ur brother.
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