SWAT Follies
So, has SWAT been swatted?
- Restructuring of Unit 353 (SWAT) and Unit (153) for filing a lawsuit. Midnight shift being added. No take home cars. No D-3 pay. And you will be in your regular Chicago Police Blue Uniforms. No more green because it looks too military. One training day a month. OT intiatives for SWAT being scaled back. More to follow........
We heard there might be fallout from the lawsuit that members of SWAT filed. Is this it? Political theater involving the safety of citizens and officers.
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- Big changes coming down for SWAT. 35th Street is pissed at the To/From that all of the SWAT team signed. Basically, none of the SWAT officers will be taking their gear home with them. They will leave their gear at Homan Square and will respond from home to Homan to pick it up. So you live in 022 or 016 and you are going to drive to Homan to pick up your gear, a squad car and then drive back North or South for an HBT job? That's fucked up
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
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You had a good gig and because of whining and crying you messed it up. Enjoy.
Keep a copy of the Order to do this printed out and in your inside pocket. When the SHTF and the Media asks why it took so long for SWAT to respond, you need to be absolutely sure that the Order doesn't fall out of your pocket in front of the Media... It would be bad, for Special Ed & Co.
So guys, make sure to keep it in the inside pocket ok?
SCC, it appears your thread on this topic left out some significant info. When was the lawsuit filed, and over what specific issues? And why wouldn't SEAT need a midnight shift? A number of their most recent HBT deployments have occurred on the midnight shift, so adding a midnight shift seems reasonable.
Sounds like the SWAT guys are going to win their suit.
Take your time getting to Homan and to the job scene.
Let the politicians explain the carnage.
We are on are own boys and girls. Form a perimeter and wait til they show up. Just make sure you fill out those yellow slips before you go home two tours after you started.
I'll get to the job when I get there. What's that, the hostage(s) has been killed? Talk to management.
Um, how about they make 3 shifts so that there's always a swat team working? Like you would imagine there should be. Why would they be "on call" anyway. Why do they need take home cars? Go to work like the rest of us and sit and workout, train, etc at Homan until called out. What's so hard about that?
It has more to do with the directive saying that when you come to work or go home, whether in a take home or your personal car, you cannot stop for any personal reason. You have to go straight to work or straight home, in your own car on your own time, unload your gear so it doesn't get stolen. How can they tell me what I can and cannot do in my car on my time? Now if they paid me for having special requirements and skills, like all the other units in special functions do, that would be one thing. But we get nothing, and only a few have take home cars, the cars they get are crap. And lock boxes to secure gear, don't make me laugh. Other SWAT teams are amazed that we don't have cars with secure equipment lock boxes, it's the industry standard, but this is Chicago. Better that secretaries have take home cars than the only unit in the department subject to call out from home. I don't believe it's unreasonable to expect to have a car so we can respond to extreme emergency situations in a timely manner. Imagine trying to get from 016 to anywhere on the south side during the day in the family car. Now here is the kicker, if you get into an accident while responding to a SWAT job, in your personal car and the insurance company finds out, sorry no coverage. And will the city pay, hell no. So,no extra pay for being on call 24/7, mandatory PT test twice a year, a handful of take home cars, the nags of the fleet, can't pick up the kids on the way home from work in my car, training cancelled for anything and everything thing, no ammo to practice with, buy your own they say, leadership that has become total company guys (comes from 2 merit promotions​).
I know, some of you will say then quit, I'm sure some will. But others won't because when the people call for help they call the police, when the police call for help they call us. And we will never leave our brothers and sisters in blue without back up, no matter how messed things are in the unit. Stay safe, watch your back because the department won't.
Pick up a car at Homan? Where exactly are these cars going to magically appear from? That is why there are only 35 operational SWAT guys left. If the pulse nightclub happens here, bring hundreds of body bags. This is a disaster waiting to happen.
Who cares? I so don't give a shit about anything this fucked up department does anymore.
They should all resign their position. Let 35 street dolllies go to hostage calls
What would make sense is officers in 016 should drive to their partner's house in 022 to get their stuff and the partner from 022 should pick up his stuff in 016. Then drive back home and put the gear on, drive to Homan and pick up their car, then drive to the job. By that time the offender will kill every hostage and then himself and there's no liability for the city and no police officers will be charged with murder by Kimmy Fox. I'm ready for my Supernintendo Award of Merit.
What was the To-From about?
Please enlighten us.
I think they should have swat on midnights. It is a police department you know, 24 hour operations and all. forget about that one? And I believe that the swat team in Chicago needs better training in general. In 004 they fucked the dog and failed to properly clear the house, leaving additional offenders to hide in an attic because their policy is "we don't search attics or crawl spaces." Luckily the tact team was with the ET when they found the guys.
What lawsuit? Don't leave us hanging!
Well that makes about as much sense as disbanding the AUto Theft Unit years ago. Or scaling back Bomb and Arson, to the point that the guys can't get time due. 2 more years and I'm done with this shit show!
sounds like a long drive
I work at HQ. Take this one to the bank. Eddie J not happy about this. D3 pay to be eliminated and true and being in blue.
Whatever.........
Pension,insurance, property value is all I give a fuck about.
Come back to a beat car and chase the radio. WE could sure use the help.
No incentive to be SWAT anymore
While I think they should have take home cars , this green uniform nonsense should stop. They are Police Officers, not soldiers or "operators". If they want to play GI Joe, let them join the military.
Well this new order should help getting SWAT to the job quicker. Typical CPD. Second City Cop should are required reading for at least 1 year before you could apply to take the entrance exam. Why would anyone want to join such a F-up police department?
So what the job suck it not what you know but who you know same shit for the last 20 years get 20 years retire
"The beatings will continue until the moral improves". Way to go bosses, another example of your brilliant leadership.
We don't have to worry about the community killing the CPD. We have the bosses doing everything they can to assure it die's from suicide. How dumb do you have to be to come up with this?
Ok, just so I understand this.
Swat is a unit that responds to HBT and other instances, where a team with heavy weapons is necessary. So the city believes that they do are not important enough to have take home cars to respond to a situation quickly. Yet, narcotics unit 189 has take home cars? Why does narcotics need take home cars? Will they be responding to a drug deal in progress from home?
Police department is ass backwards
This is all COS RUSSELL in supt's office,he needs to stay relevant
No more green uniforms? Horrors? Hondo would never have allowed that.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
They make D3 pay?? Since when?
Hey,swat guys, welcome to the CPD.
Merit Sgt and Lt Tom lamb will fix it
Hey SCC tell us more about the lawsuit filed by SWAT or a link to the where we can read about it should be a matter of public record.
Meanwhile fuck the officers on the street who make the call for SWAT.
Um, how about they make 3 shifts so that there's always a swat team working? Like you would imagine there should be. Why would they be "on call" anyway. Why do they need take home cars? Go to work like the rest of us and sit and workout, train, etc at Homan until called out. What's so hard about that?
5/15/2017 01:07:00 AM
"Sigh".....You must. Be a special kind of stupid....."Work like us" ha ha ha ha.
Doesn't SWAT have a weapons vehicle? Where gear is stored? This vehicle should be manned by two SWAT personnel 24/7 and respond to any incident where other members can respond directly to location and have gear on scene ready to go. The "on call" SWAT members should have a squad car to expedite their travel time to the scene. Maybe two cars north two cars south and one supervisor north one south. So that six cars and a truck. Rotate the squads among "On call members."
I know this makes too much sense so probably doesn't work this way. This department has a way of making everything more difficult then it needs to be. Any unit outside of patrol never seems to get new cars. Of course patrol should get new cars but so should the Detective Division and all the other units the usually get the 100k mile hand me downst
The National Tactical Officer's Association says that "full-time" SWAT teams should spend 25% of their time training. If they drop to one day per month they'll be well below National Standards.
Way to go Rahm. Get ready to write some big lawsuit checks.
All the take home cars are needed for the Politically connected POs in Narcotics...duh
Very noble indeed.
Here are more facts:
- last year, the Department (Deputy Chief Georgas) put a To-From in the C/O book reminding SWAT officers that they are not required to bring their equipment home and that the Department provides each SWAT officer with 2 lockers to store their equipment at Homan Square. As impractical as it sounds, drive to Homan Square in your personal car, then grab your equipment out of the lockers, load up and head to the HBT, the SWAT officers are simply following orders of the Department.
- take home cars? There are only a handful of take home cars at SWAT? So when Special Ed says he is taking away the cars, what cars? SWAT doesn't have take home cars.
- SWAT officers deserve to be equal in pay with Marine Unit, Mounted Unit, Canine, FTO, etc. Just as in those positions there is a testing processing and the officers receive an increase in pay. What is the difference?
- around the clock? The Department had to re-issue the sign up for sergeants because the very few who signed up failed.
The officers are simply following the silly orders given by the Department and now the Department doesn't like it.
Retire fuck this job do something else live a happy life
Those guys had a good gig. They fucked it up for themselves. I mean honestly how often was away really used?
If they are going to do this you might as well disband swat, issue more carbines to patrol officers, and just use the state police swat team if we need one. At least they will be properly trained and available.
Should have used your clout to go to narcotics instead. They all have cars plus they had an awesome entry team that was much better than swat. So much so that they were detailed to special functions to train swat team on how to do their job because they were so sloppy.
The little nine fingered hobgoblin that is running this City doesn't give a damn about what needs to be done to keep us or the citizens safe. That costs money and the Democrats that have been running this city into the ground have stolen so much we are teetering on the brink of bankruptcy. They cannot afford even the most basic police services, much lees the expense of running a major unit that also serves as the point for any anti-terrorism mitigation.
You taxpayers get what you deserve. You keep re-electing these thieves. We are a sanctuary city, though. We have that going for us.
Um, how about they make 3 shifts so that there's always a swat team working? Like you would imagine there should be. Why would they be "on call" anyway. Why do they need take home cars? Go to work like the rest of us and sit and workout, train, etc at Homan until called out. What's so hard about that?
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Hahahaha, sit and work out and train? What is this train word you speak of. SWAT is now the SORT/detail unit/dog wrangling/mental team. The way we are used is a running joke in the SWAT community. I'm all for training until we get called out, but the bloated useless exempts have no idea how to run a police department much less a SWAT team. Screw it, I'm out. Only a disaster will bring change, but how many will have to die to learn that lesson? I won't be a part of a unit that knows it is headed for a tragedy because of complete mismanagement but refuses to change.
To those calling for SWAT on midnights, your posts seem to blame SWAT for no coverage. The blame goes squarely on the department. As with everything the department/city does they do it on the cheap. The department never wanted the additional bodies in the unit to cover three watches.
As for the car issue, you guys are total idiots for ever taking a personal vehicle to a SWAT job. There is no rationalization you can make for taking your personal vehicle to the hood.
Not the SWAT operators fault!! The leadership makes shit up as they go. Some rules apply on Monday for "some people" but not on Wednesday for others. There is a union for a reason. SWAT does a great job. So when they push back on a command staff that really needs to look in the mirror, they get punished by a group of people that have really lost touch. It's not just SWAT. This is a prime example of poor leadership on every level and no one having the spine to fix whats broken. Decisions being made by those least qualified to do so. The department can't have it both ways. That "I'll SHOW YOU" attitude coming out of headquarters is a perfect example of the mentality and leadership flaw that is plagueing every district and every unit.
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I work at HQ. Take this one to the bank. Eddie J not happy about this. D3 pay to be eliminated and true and being in blue.
5/15/2017 05:26:00 AM
Hey troll, SWAT doesn't currently get D3. So take your drivel elsewhere.
That's alright. More time for Mookie to off everyone in the house. Hope SWAT remember to come to a complete stop at stop signs, and wait for tge green lights. Don't get hurt in your personal car to get there.
SWAT does not get D3. That's right they only get D1. Take that to the bank
A couple of years ago, I went to a training where CPD SWAT had some of their guys. The Sgt. arrived in a broken down embarrassment of a take home car. Now around the corner from my house, a same sex married CPD couple reside, one of whom is in some Special Feel Good Unit. She has had a new take home ride for years now; WHY? The only thing I can imagine her being called back to work for would be if someone had their feelings hurt, or someone said something bad about Ellen Degeneres! It does not make sense. On the other hand, SWAT personnel are arrogant, and in some cases have worked no more than two or three years on the street. Their Elitist attitude makes it difficult to deal with them, and one has to wonder how long it would take for them to effectively respond on midnights if they have no midnight crew. SO ALL OF THIS COMES DOWN TO ONE REALITY: YOU, WITH A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF TRAINING, THE INDIVIDUAL OFFICER, BETTER HAVE A RIFLE ON DUTY, BECAUSE YOU ARE VERY MUCH ON YOUR OWN, AS IT HAS BEEN FOR QUITE SOME TIME. And in this Age of Political Correctness, with a State's Attorney who wants to put cops in prison; it may not be a good idea to jump out of a CPD vehicle dressed like you really are an Occupation Military Force. Be Careful, as I have said many times: YOU are on your own, and Rahm, Foxx, the Black Caucus, none of them have your back. SWAT guys have to realize, the Cult of Fred is Dead! Baby"G"
Auto insurance covers just like any other crash to/from work.
Retired 7years.
Never worked swat.
Does the swat order or any order
require a po to own a car?
Just an observation-When Fat Head Ed has his press conferences with the other gold star clowns standing behind him, why are only one or two exempts in proper uniform? If the Chief of Detectives thinks that an open collar and zippered sweater is acceptable, she may want to read the uniform G.O. that never seems to have even one question on a promotional exam. Then you will realize why an actual SWAT team is a concept that our command staff cannot comprehend or why the Use of Force policy will still forbid firing at a vehicle which is aimed at the tourists surrounding Buckingham Fountain.
Retired .38 spl +P
What hostage situations are they going to respond to? There won't be any hostage situations. Think about it. Hostages are only taken in an effort for criminals to protect themselves and escape from...who?.... If Ms. Foxx's bill passes, there won't be any police responding to a hostage situation until an Officer clears the call with the ACLU and/or his personal attorney.
No hostage situation, no need for SWAT. Its the liberal democrat way of thinking, I guess.
J.J.
what part of STAY FETAL AND SAFE these PO's don't understand-GLOCK THAT!
SO now what does a highly trained guy do?
Time to man and and leave the unit.
And trust me if you don't want to really be in the unit you should be able to figure out a way out.
OR will they all cry to FOP and talk about how they have been cheated and treated unfairly?
Always remember that if you volunteer you are at the mercy of THE CITY OF RAHM.
some might actually call this retaliation for filing a lawsuit. Hope they have good lawyer on retainers.
Should D3 be cut for bodygaurd unit too?
Another good example of how this department is a joke. A beautiful city run by biased democrats is no coincidence the police department is in such poor shape. Same goes for the cook county sheriffs department. All is run by democrats in Chicago and what good has come from them? Absolutely nothing productive and especially nothing favorable for taxpayers. There's constant corruption with the politicians, extreme misspending that's leading to bankruptcy and crime continues to soar. And don't forget about the deteriorating infrastructure. Even something as simple as all the weeds you can imagine at the Chicago park districts. This murder mayor rahm emanuel says he's trying to save money by not putting down the appropriate treatments for the grass but why is it that his neighborhood gets the treatments and taxes continue to rise?
you can't figure this out? it part of the Chicago Park District Overtime initiative report to the district of assignment using your personal car sign out your equipment and using your personal car drive to and remain at your assigned park district post using your personal car in violation of your automobile insurance policy can't use your personal auto for police work!!
Pendejos!
Well they totally fucked that program didnt they?
The time is coming when Abdullah remembers Chicago is on the map. 2'nd city and all, busiest airport, tallest building, midwest mecca, Lots of Jewish and any other group they decide to hate on any given day is here a-plenty. I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet.
So you get a group of 4 to 6...or 2...or maybe even one with the right skill set, weapons and target. All easily available. Now these wouldn't be college kids who suddenly found God but people who actually know what they are doing, "unlike most of us". How to move and shoot, how to use sights, how to cover each other, maybe even with combat experience. Now what? One guy killed 5 cops and injured 7 in Dallas and it might have been more if they didnt rig up a bomb on a mech-poodle. Could you see one of our Boss's authorizing that? I cant!
Gee it couldn't possibly happen here could it? Traveling thru the airports already scares the shit out of me because security is so poor and you have all kinds of public venues and events that draw people by the thousands. Its 2017 for Christ's sake and were in the middle of a war.
Give 'em their D3, give 'em their ammo and training time, give 'em the fucking cars. When they arent on a job they should be training. And for once act like a real police Dept. instead of a fucking hack/clout outfit. They have been slowly eroding the effectiveness of this unit for years now, when an entire unit signs a to/from I'm inclined to believe the officers. This is a bad time to be plaing CPD with your SWAT unit.
I can't believe SWAT doesn't work midnights. I can't believe they don't have take home cars. Give them what they need. End this bullshit
This fucked up City just makes me sick. A couple of weeks ago, there was Ald. Burkie, "the police need the right tools, AR-15's to do the job and protect themselves," and reading this about an essential part of the police department SWAT being fucked with its just crazy. I don't think it's just about having a first watch working, but there are all the other factors. Lack of training, no ammo, vehicles in disrepair, and simple minded merit hacks running the show. Looks like the department is killing the SWAT culture, just like they did to the Detective's culture some 15yrs ago.
Lamb sold out his people
D-3? SWAT gets D-1.
I am retired, so I can say what I want, the truth is that we should have SWAT and SORT car coverage on all 3 watches, but this being Chicago, they think that nothing will ever go wrong.we will have a night club shooting with major injuries,we do have HBT incidents and shootings overnight where heavy equipped coppers need to be.The department has cut K9 After 0200 hours. Every department SWAT members have take home cars but not CPD. But just count how many Narcotics people have cars, cone on now, don't say that these cars are paid for by 1505 money. Then pay SWAT part of this 1505 money every time they assist narcotics with a warrant.we piss so much money away but for a big city pitics is going to pay a huge price when this city gets hit. Chicago is a disgrace.give our guys the tools they need. Back when SWAT was called HBT we responded to jobs from home, or came in to get a car but times have changed, these guys have tons of equipment to haul.
Somebody, P.O. or citizen is going to get hurt from this bulls@#t!
SWAT should be working and available on all three watches. Another thing, motor maintenance should be available more than M-F 0700-1500. I'm done venting!
Wow this harkens back to the 1880's where US Army soldiers where
only required to shoot 1 round a month to maintain proficiency in their
"Trapdoor" Springfield's.
EVERY COP is supposed to be SWAT, you know special weapons and training? That is how I if I were the union, would play this one. I would be directing a serious public relations campaign to that effect to. ALL of you should have the same gear - in blue of course, and you should always have it all with you on the job. Yes, even those eeeevvvviiiiilllll black rifles.
The city and the department have been vriken . I give up. You win. The left has swallowed this city up . Its trash now . They own that . I want out , residency now Fop .
"I work at HQ. Take this one to the bank. Eddie J not happy about this. D3 pay to be eliminated and true and being in blue."
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What D-3 pay? SWAT operators have always been paid D-1 and they know they have no chance in hell in getting D-3 in the next contract.
swat filed a law suit about use of cell phones on call and pay for overtime when you called in on a scene. Seat believes they should be paid D2 pay for being a member and overtime from when they get the call on their cell phones
Call Jimmy John's. Only minutes away! Some are armed. Just saying...
"I work at HQ. Take this one to the bank. Eddie J not happy about this. D3 pay to be eliminated and true and being in blue."
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What D-3 pay? SWAT operators have always been paid D-1 and they know they have no chance in hell in getting D-3 in the next contract.
Bwahahaha! The bosses will never pass a chance to take CPD trigger-pullers off the street. We lost control of this city and it's turning into a real urban guerrilla war-zone. Is CPD SWAT really that effective? I dunno but I've never heard this much full-automatic gunfire or saw so many 5.56mm and 5.7mm shell casings on the street as I have in the past 2 years. Will officers assigned to Summer Mobile all be carbine trained? Can we upgrade to Level III hard body armor? How about open-carry our carbines off-duty. Really...what's the point? We lost the war...we're just too hard-headed to accept it.
Let the gold stars handle all the swat situations!
Lawsuit for what?
Are Merit Bosses having a cleveland steamer tantrum because some flunky patrolman came up a way to streamline the Unit making it more efficient and effective? The alleged penalty seems excessive and counter productive, something a thoughtless Merit Hack would be allowed do. Or is it just more of Tenderizing the Unit as not to be so intimidating? Seems plausible either way.
The Right Man for the Right Time™ had to be in agreement with Rahm for this inane idea to go through.
He's not allowed to run the Department.
SWAT is going the way of the airport...when the shit hits the fan (and it will happen) and minutes count, police are hours away.
All good things come to an end.
Like they have a lot to complain about.
Typical connected unit.
has more to do with the directive saying that when you come to work or go home, whether in a take home or your personal car, you cannot stop for any personal reason. You have to go straight to work or straight home, in your own car on your own time, unload your gear so it doesn't get stolen.
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Refer back to the great leadership of Lt Lamb and his side ass John Hroma. "We didn't promise you anything for coming on SWAT." Spoken like a twice promoted merit hack. As long as you keep making rank and OT for 240k a year. Fuck off
Go to work like the rest of us and sit and workout, train, etc at Homan until called out. What's so hard about that? ....
Are you kidding?
How about deploying out in the field and responding to men with gun calls, or shots fired or robbery in progress jobs. If a SWAT job comes in then mobilize from your area of assignmnet. If a SWAT job requires additional response and equipment then notify the rest of the guys on call. They can all have properly equipped cars parked in the police facility nearest to their home and drive there to get it. The car and the equipment will be secure in the police lot and there is less risk of theft of their sensitive equipment.
Lamb and Hroma. Merit ass hats.
You expect them to do tactical type jobs in awful cargo pants and a long sleeve with neck tie?
Take your time getting to Homan and to the job scene.
Let the politicians explain the carnage.
5/15/2017 12:47:00 AM
Hey bonehead, part of that carnage is likely to be your fellow officers who are not equipped to handle certain incidents.
This is nothing like the movie "S.W.A.T" I'm pulling my application now. Damn Hollywood
I've had three days training in the last five months. Made sure I forwarded all the info to various news sources. Urged them to compare our SWAT Team to other major cities. Not our fault when we fuck up. Go and ask for Subject Matter Experts from all over the country to evaluate how bad we are. Training was never really a priority with this regime. It's all about the overtime. We should be part of Special Events. Not SWAT. The best Sgt was so disgusted with how bad things were, he just left for a district.
The bottom line is that SWAT is a necessity. So lets put aside the bitterness of what one unit gets (or super petty stuff like what they wear) that we might not get as a blue shirt or wherever you are in the dept. And the flip side of "if you dont like it quit" is that if you think it is so great and want it, workout, become efficient with your weapon, get your shit together and seek it out. Grow up, other people get things in life that you do not. That is life. Quit whining about it and better your own situation.
There absolutely should be take home cars for the purpose of rapidly responding to a situation. There should also be a way to secure equipment in the vehicle (during transport and calls, NOT overnight storage in the vehicle parked outside your home). Anything outside of personal weapons and protection gear like vests helmets etc should probably be centrally located in a heavy weapons and specialty gear vehicle that is manned 24/7 as someone mentioned before. You should be technically on the clock the minute you enter the vehicle to respond to a situation to be covered for any liability associated with responding. There should be enough vehicles made available so nobody is responding to an emergency situation in their personal cars. Maybe rotating take home cars to those SWAT officers that will be on an "on call" list (who should receive some sort of compensation for being on call). But... it is the citys gas, and the citys maintenance so using it for personal errands is a no no as there is also a liability issue anytime you put someone in a dept vehicle.
Swat should never be looked at as a "if" we need them unit but rather a "when" we need them. The time will come when a situation on a large scale will show that we are either prepared or unprepared. Which one would you rather have when your family is downtown?
Our swat team is a joke. They're training is subpar compared to other big and even midsize cities. The operational guys , not operators sorry to burst your collective bubbles, are not very good, even at basic entry level breaching and clearing. Send them to the watch or cross train a few to work with county hbt to handle city matters. Who remembers a few years back when they went to a swat competition and came in 31st place out of 32 teams? And the 32nd team had an injury and pulled all their guys.
Take all of the cars from the useless dime bag buy bust teams and give them to swat.....problem solved.....
Even if you have a midnight shift on SWAT, you will still need to conduct a call out from people at home. Also when will the midnight SWAT Team train? We barely get one training day a month. Media that's called a hint. The goofs in charge of SWAT don't care because they sit on the command bus. All the Sgts have take home cars but they are useless and inexperienced but because they were in the military they think they know there doing. That is why once I leave I don't care what happens. I will not be using my own vehicle to travel to jobs.
When I get to Homan, I'll walk up to the 3rd floor, open up my locker and get my gear. Ill then wait for a ride to the HBT location. If there's no cars available, I'll take off my gear and take a nap. I almost forgot about my department issued rifle. We are not allowed to store weapons in our lockers. So I guess they will be on the trucks. Frank and Eddie. You know the trucks that break down all the time. That's a hint to the media to check out the maintenance records of Frank, Eddie, Bearcat and MRAP. Keep filing under the freedom of information and ask the tough questions like how well is the Chicago Police SWAT trained? Compared to other cities? How's the SWAT equipment. SWAT training? Lots of material for real investigative journalists.
All that bumping on these shitty Chicago streets not to mention very little training time has probably screwed up my zero. Hope I don't miss and hit the Hostage. Media that's another hint.
Ok, just so I understand this.
Swat is a unit that responds to HBT and other instances, where a team with heavy weapons is necessary. So the city believes that they do are not important enough to have take home cars to respond to a situation quickly. Yet, narcotics unit 189 has take home cars? Why does narcotics need take home cars? Will they be responding to a drug deal in progress from home?
Police department is ass backwards
YES IT IS.
Five people to blame.
1. Mark Marianovich (Dead) cared more about being promoted then asking for proper equipment. Triple Merit Hack.
2. Tom Lamb like his predecessor cared more about making rank. A 19th ward double merit hack.
3. Steve Georgas never made any waves for SWAT equipment or cars. One of Mauer's golden boys.
4. Wayne Guiliford who only looked out for Wayne. Never cared about SWAT.
5.Tina Skahill is as clueless as they come. Probably didn't know what SWAT stands for.
Next generation of morons in the chain of command. Eric Carter and John Hroma. Dumb meets Stupid and had twins. One named Eric Carter and his twin John Hroma. The cycle of incompetency continues.
Almost done with this here circus. Remember all the merit assholes names that are driving the final nails in the CPD coffin.
You will be able to tell your grandkids, "Sonny I may have only been a lowly blueshirt, but I had way more balls and integrity than the gold braided pricks that killed this nation's best Police Department."
SCC,
Looks like the media does read your blog. Wait till you see the stories coming out on SWAT. Notice how I said stories. Might as well call it a "The SWAT or NOT Miniseries.
Hroma shove the day suspension up your ass. You also missed the hatch. Can't shoot and can't make the run.
As long as rahmie needs the money for illegal aliens the police ain't going to get shit.......
Ever try to get a bomb dog?
I know, some of you will say then quit, I'm sure some will. But others won't because when the people call for help they call the police, when the police call for help they call us. And we will never leave our brothers and sisters in blue without back up, no matter how messed things are in the unit. Stay safe, watch your back because the department won't.
5/15/2017 01:31:00 AM
Sorry about losing your pickle suit. Dressing like Gomer Pyle takes real flair. Your arrogance makes it hard to empathize.
Hey Lamb and Hroma take your OT and shove it up your asess. I came on SWAT to be part of a team that trains and is prepared. I don't give a damn about Special Events Overtime Initiatives. I've been driving my own personal car to call outs for 7 years. I've left my family in the middle of the night. I've left family functions. Missed my kids games. Why? Cause I believed in the mission. I still do. BUT under my new rules.
Here they are. No take home car. No problem. I'll take my time driving to Homan Square. No on call pay? No problem, phone gets turned off as soon I leave Homan Square. Shitty equipment. No problem, Ill make sure my wife files a lawsuit against the Dept and personally sues both of you. You want to keep canceling training because that's not a priority for you're merit promotions? No problem. I will file a lawsuit against both of you and the Department for failure to properly train us. We will expose you! We are the Green Machine. We do not need to wear green uniforms. We bleed green.
And the last kiss my ass goes to Superintendent Eddie Johnson. You do not scare us by putting us in uniforms or in beat cars. You need us. We don't need you. These are the only answers to the test that you should have.
Two people ruining swat, sgt JH and sgt AK. Enough said.
"Any SWAT Officer caught on the blog or talking to the media will be dealt accordingly to include suspension and removal from the SWAT Team."
Commanding Officer of SWAT Thomas Lamb
I got so scared, I peed a little in my whiteis tighteis. Go get your shine box Tommy.
Lamb sold out his people
5/15/2017 10:14:00 AM
Must want another bite of the merit apple, two must not be enough. I guess two never stopped DH.
OT: Kind of applies to the city and their ability not to think things thru. There are thirty, yes 30, rental vehicles on the 2nd floor of the 009th District parking garage. What are they for you ask??? Summer mobile!! Now mind you, these aren't Taurus' or Explorers. They are various types on Nissans. And who's going to drive these you ask?? The P.O.'s detailed to summer mobile. They have no emergency equipment, no CPD markings and out of state plates. Please tell me how that is going to work out???? I smell a disaster.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I am retired, so I can say what I want, the truth is that we should have SWAT and SORT car coverage on all 3 watches, but this being Chicago, they think that nothing will ever go wrong.we will have a night club shooting with major injuries,we do have HBT incidents and shootings overnight where heavy equipped coppers need to be.The department has cut K9 After 0200 hours. Every department SWAT members have take home cars but not CPD. But just count how many Narcotics people have cars, cone on now, don't say that these cars are paid for by 1505 money. Then pay SWAT part of this 1505 money every time they assist narcotics with a warrant.we piss so much money away but for a big city pitics is going to pay a huge price when this city gets hit. Chicago is a disgrace.give our guys the tools they need. Back when SWAT was called HBT we responded to jobs from home, or came in to get a car but times have changed, these guys have tons of equipment to haul.
5/15/2017 10:37:00 AM
And no k9 at airport on 1st watch another ginger (I have zero clue how to do the job) fuck up! $300,000 a year waste of money!
The Dept has always played games with the SWAT Team. From the early days when it was HBT to now. The Chicago Police Department has always been behind the times and unfortunately that also means our SWAT is way behind the curve. Let's put it this way, other SWAT teams are in the major leagues while CPD SWAT team is in the little leagues. The blame has always rested and rests with the CO of the unit to include Bossey, Marianovich, Joyce and and now Lamb. The chain of command should also be blamed but these particular COs worried more about being promoted then caring about the team. The only true advocate SWAT had was Ray Hamilton. Go ahead and make fun. But Lamb and Hroma have completely destroyed the team's effectiveness, operational readiness and morale. They care more about the next rank. The citizens of Chicago should demand better.
They should end Swat and Use Cook County Swat and only pay when their being used.
Don't cave SWAT boys. Stay strong. This fight belongs to every member of CPD and citizen of Chicago. You are our backup. You have the specialized training and equipment that we may need. The city treats you guys like shit. No other unit has to spend their own money for proper training, equipment or use their own personal cars at 0400 in the morning to respond.
They have treated your kindness as weakness. Show them you are strong. My brother is a SWAT officer. My brother cannot talk to the media. But I can and I am. And by the way, I am a great litigator that will make you're SWAT Bosses and Corpation Counsel look like the amateurs that they are. I well familiar with CPD considering I was on the job for eight years and finished my law degree. I'm proud of my brother but ashamed of this police department. Don't lose faith.
Doesn't SWAT have a weapons vehicle? Where gear is stored? This vehicle should be manned by two SWAT personnel 24/7 and respond to any incident where other members can respond directly to location and have gear on scene ready to go. The "on call" SWAT members should have a squad car to expedite their travel time to the scene. Maybe two cars north two cars south and one supervisor north one south. So that six cars and a truck. Rotate the squads among "On call members."
Kind of reminds me of a TV show that I used to watch growing up in the 70's.
I'm on the list for the Marine Unit, but I ain't taking it unless
I get a take home boat
I attended a week long crisis negotiation course in Elmhurst back in March. It was hosted and taught by the FBI. There were departments from all over the burbs in attendance. There was a CPD SWAT Sgt in the class. He was very arrogant and spoke almost entirely in a negative way about the members of his own team, CPD patrol Officers, and CPD command. I don't recall his name, but you would think he invented Police work.
Anyway, he was a very poor reflection of the Chicago Police Department. Again, don't remember his name, but he kept referring to himself in the third person and or by a strange nick name.
I found it hard to respect him even though he has seen several critical incidents.
SWAT Smooth Operatator here. Sold my car. So now I'm going to have to take the 95th Street bus to the Red Line and switch to the Blue Line. I'll be a little late but I am coming. Can someone pick me up at the Homan Stop so I can respond faster?
Lamb sold out his people
Lamb is a puppet. Not very smart. Poor leader. Hroma is pulling his strings through Carter. Problem is Carter is an idiot and Hroma is smart enough to breach a door but that's about it. Perfect Storm
Right when you think this job cant get any stupider it gets stupider. The rifle program is a fucking joke, at least for the few who have interest. And now they are turning the SWAT team into a clown fest. I'd bet anything they have them out there getting those contact things, or whatever the fuck they call them.
The bill is coming due for the years of merit promotions, test cheating, nepotism, Politics, and outright stupidity.
HBT from "back in the day" Says:
HBT/SWAT whatever the fuck you want to call them were on duty guys from Gangs North/West/South 2nd & 3rd Watch. Midnights was Mass Transit on duty trained Officers. Not the best equipment or training, but it worked....kinda.....sorta.
SCC, it appears your thread on this topic left out some significant info. When was the lawsuit filed, and over what specific issues? And why wouldn't SEAT need a midnight shift? A number of their most recent HBT deployments have occurred on the midnight shift, so adding a midnight shift seems reasonable.
Tommy stay off the blog or you won't make Captain. Shut your pie hole and let the grown ups talk.
SWAT you better not be using your own personal cars as work cars. You must have coverage for your vehicle as a commercial vehicle insurance policy. Not to mention you are lying on a document that could be presented in a lawsuit.
When you buy car insurance, you'll be asked what you intend to use the vehicle for.
Most of us can simply say personal use and that will cover you for domestic and social purposes.
Many policies will also include commuting under this definition - check your terms and conditions to be sure, and be careful if you're lift sharing.
If you use your car for your job - for anything other than driving to a single place of work - then you almost certainly need business car insurance.
Otherwise, you risk finding yourself without cover when you need to make a claim.
Somebody's gonna get hurt? Too late. That has already happened. It's the dirty little secrets that in order to make rank, you stay silent.
Lamb sold out his people.
True True. Don't forget Marianovich and Hroma.
The National Tactical Officer's Association says that "full-time" SWAT teams should spend 25% of their time training. If they drop to one day per month they'll be well below National Standards.
Way to go Rahm. Get ready to write some big lawsuit checks.
5/15/2017 07:45:00 AM
Full Time Team? Hahaha. We average 1-2 days a months. Lately, one day every two months. The Sgts don't care. One is more incompetent then the other. I'm a Sgt and I know everything mentality. Worthless
SWAT does not get D2 pay. They get nothing.
Why's it almost impossible to get in the carbine class?? Also, it makes about as much sense as having a nipple on my elbow having the rifle in the back of the explorer. The new vehicles cannot be opened unless the car is running and the back hatch button is depressed , WTF is going to remember that while taking rounds???
Our swat team is a joke. They're training is subpar compared to other big and even midsize cities. The operational guys , not operators sorry to burst your collective bubbles, are not very good, even at basic entry level breaching and clearing. Send them to the watch or cross train a few to work with county hbt to handle city matters. Who remembers a few years back when they went to a swat competition and came in 31st place out of 32 teams? And the 32nd team had an injury and pulled all their guys.
5/15/2017 04:30:00 PM
I forgot about that. Hroma shot one of the evaluators. He's now the number# 2 guy. LMMFAO!!!! Silly people.
Two people ruining swat, sgt JH and sgt AK. Enough said.
5/15/2017 05:58:00 PM
Not true. Hroma is. Sgt AK left for a district because of all this nonsense. Trust me he was on our side.
Please say it ain't so about the uniforms. Just when I thought my morale couldn't possibly get any lower, the city comes and stomps the soul right out of my chest. Every time I see those green uniforms I get a tingling up my leg and butterflies in my stomach, just like when you meet the girl of your dreams in high school. I even have posters of CPD SWAT operators hung in my room like teenage boys have Marines and Navy SEAL posters. Now what the fuck am I supposed to do with them? This is the final straw for me. If those SWAT guys go back in blues, I'm gonna fucking lose it man.
Read your orders the swat team response when you're dealing with a vicious animal.
I love watching the SWAT team try and shoot out city street lights during a HBT, comedy at best!!
I write about 20 movers a month, 50 parkers, 10 ANOV's and get my arrests when I can. Is that good enough to make SWAT?
Wow this harkens back to the 1880's where US Army soldiers where
only required to shoot 1 round a month to maintain proficiency in their
"Trapdoor" Springfield's.
5/15/2017 11:18:00 AM
Lets see here - This harkens to the present day where I only have to fire an average of 2.5 rounds a month to maintain proficiency in my wheel gun. (That's our 30 a year qualification) At least that's more than double in ~137 years.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
SWAT you better not be using your own personal cars as work cars. You must have coverage for your vehicle as a commercial vehicle insurance policy. Not to mention you are lying on a document that could be presented in a lawsuit.
When you buy car insurance, you'll be asked what you intend to use the vehicle for.
Most of us can simply say personal use and that will cover you for domestic and social purposes.
Many policies will also include commuting under this definition - check your terms and conditions to be sure, and be careful if you're lift sharing.
If you use your car for your job - for anything other than driving to a single place of work - then you almost certainly need business car insurance.
Otherwise, you risk finding yourself without cover when you need to make a claim.
5/15/2017 08:56:00 PM
This is true talked to the State Farm agent told me no coverage for work use and they are cracking down. Also if your involved in an accident when you give statement to insurance on recorded line they ask if you were talking or texting while driving you lie it's a problem as they can subpoena records!
Anonymous said...
Take your time getting to Homan and to the job scene.
Let the politicians explain the carnage.
5/15/2017 12:47:00 AM
Hey bonehead, part of that carnage is likely to be your fellow officers who are not equipped to handle certain incidents.
5/15/2017 03:29:00 PM
Hey bigger bonehead, if you are so worried about carnage then don't file lawsuits and whine about take home cars.
...bleed green...lighten up Francis.
Your average bear doesn't make SWAT regardless of qualifications. Boo hoo. Don't like it? Go push a beat car.
I'm on the helicopter unit list..
(thanks, wish me good luck)
But I won't take it without a take home helicopter....
Don't give up anything, you hot and sexy hardchargers. It's always entertaining to see the silly trail of cars show up an hour after everything is over with that look on their face that is trying so hard to hide the embarrassment that they don't have a clue what's going on, where they're supposed to stage, and whether everyone is gone already.
What a great unit of clown cars. A few million dollars of resources and hours of tied up traffic to taser a mental every few weeks all dressed up in green.
I say disband it all. Same goes for marine unit, bike unit, mounted unit, and every tac and saturation team. Everybody push a beat car, especially the overpaid indoor clout princesses hiding in every office, and no more denied time.
attended a week long crisis negotiation course in Elmhurst back in March. It was hosted and taught by the FBI. There were departments from all over the burbs in attendance. There was a CPD SWAT Sgt in the class. He was very arrogant and spoke almost entirely in a negative way about the members of his own team, CPD patrol Officers, and CPD command. I don't recall his name, but you would think he invented Police work.
Anyway, he was a very poor reflection of the Chicago Police Department. Again, don't remember his name, but he kept referring to himself in the third person and or by a strange nick name.
I found it hard to respect him even though he has seen several critical incidents.
Was the nickname AK ?
Auto Insurance covers just like any other crash to/from work
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Not when you are doing 90 on the Dan Ryan cause you cannot wait to get to the scene, and a wino from 002 pulls in front of you. Your gas and wear and malfunctions of trans and engine.
Pers. vehicle are not meant to take a beating. The guys in SWAT just try and do right and the CPD and that head 77 IQ Eddie fucks them.
Please guys, don't use your own car for any city police shit. You will be homeless if you clip MaMa and her 8 little chickens crossing 79 th street in the middle of street.
The day' of Fred Boose are long ago history guys. The brass are like bad ammo !! All misfires.
To find the law suit, just go to the clerk of the circuit court web site and view the complaint.
Pick up a car at Homan? Where exactly are these cars going to magically appear from? That is why there are only 35 operational SWAT guys left. If the pulse nightclub happens here, bring hundreds of body bags.
Get cars from narcotics. Why anyone in narcotics gets a take home car always puzzled me? You need to rush to the scene of an emergency dime bag buy or a round up of piss bums and hypes ?
For those speaking of 3 shifts so there is coverage - that sounds like a simple solution - but I know the team doesn't have the man power for that. Even if you did, it would be a skeleton crew so you would need to call out rest of team and once again there are no vehicles. How bout the city just equips the team so they can do there job.
They used to be one of the best, highly trained teams in the country. When they enter tactical and shooting competitions across the country I know they usually win. They used to get some of the best training in the world, including specialized training with Delta, SF and the Navy Seals. The 15,000 per year stipend isn't enough for these guys - it should be sgts pay that is pensionable! They are the most elite team in the department and should be treated as such.
5 city alderman pulling together to get more benefits for the SWAT Team - they have over 10000 signatures - looking to get sgt pay, take home trucks and more training!! Good Luck you SWAT guys deserve it!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I write about 20 movers a month, 50 parkers, 10 ANOV's and get my arrests when I can. Is that good enough to make SWAT?
5/15/2017 09:35:00 PM
Too funny!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Read your orders the swat team response when you're dealing with a vicious animal.
5/15/2017 09:31:00 PM
You have to wait for SWAT to show, than their standard operating procedure is to wait the "vicious animal" out?
What difference does response time make?
Didn't they have SWORD cars roaming the city waiting for school incidents? They had two person extra ammo cars too. There was a "War Wagon" with HBT gear etc... guess that all left with SOS?
Heres the news story at least http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/local/254840899-story
I dont know? You usually sue for money right? So are they suing for a legit Police Dept. or are they suing for money?
Our SWAT equipment trucks are a joke, the war room midnight crew never starts them or even checks the equipment, the day guys take the trucks in fir service but the garage at 5 1st. Street jags them around. The MRAP should be serviced at North and Troop but the guys at 51st. Think they can fix it. The Command vans and light truck are a disaster because when the Greek Sgt.with the long name had to retired nobody had the clout and friends he had to get them fixed plus he knew how to fix things himself. This job runs backwards and doesn't do the right thing ever. OS. GEORGES did more for SWAT then any other boss, please have your facts before you post. Oh, and if I were the boss I sure would keep an eye on the Midnight war room 3 musketeers if and when there are even 2 there like they are supposed to be. No bodies to get the trucks to the job, right Frank.
CPD SWAT should wear democratic urban camoflauge. A ghillie suit comprised of empty cheeto bags, grape cigarillo wrappers, used condone, and clumps of weave would make them perfectly suited for operations in the Chicago environment!!!!
I kid, I kid. However, the green uniforms are a dumb idea. There is no need, they are not engaged in jungle warfare and seeking a tactical advantage. That being said- for the things that they do, the standard blue uniforms don't make much sense either. The best choice in my opinion would be the black CPD BDUs. The fit, and more rugged material make that uniform more conducive to their mission than the standard CPD uniform.
As for the take-home cars? They should absolutely have them. But unfortunately, there is a way things should be done, and a proper way to effect change. This current generation feels that a lawsuit will fix everything, and they just bent themselves over and put it in their own butts. Enjoy your feeling of legal superiority, that likely just cost you a lot of things that you used to enjoy about the unit.
I'm on the helicopter unit list..
(thanks, wish me good luck)
But I won't take it without a take home helicopter....
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Thank you. This shit is hilarious
My take home swat car is a 03 crown vic.
You mean I have to share it with other people now?
It's a wonder it lasted this long.
Rip
Undeniably most "specialized" units in CPD are hiding spots for the clouted, who never came on the job to do work. SWAT however, is a much needed unit and ought to be funded and maintained properly. Training ought to be provided to its members each working day. The public's safety demands it.
Funny one a suburban ticket writer busting on the real police
Swat guys had it made and ruined over what??? It's a privilege to be in a unit. Yes some ppl have their phone calls but still you rock the boat Too much you drown.
5/15/2017 01:07:00 AM
You obviously have no clue, do you hair gel.
To my SWAT brothers, stay the course and fight the good fight. The only thing that matters in the end is your family and your well being.
Signed GI
AK leaving because the writing on the wall. Give me a break! He killed morale and hasn't passed a PT test in years. How convienant that he is trying to hook up with Ray Ray again.
So if I wear my uniform from home to and from work, technically I'm still working just like Swat. Where's my extra pay???
Anonymous Anonymous said...
For those speaking of 3 shifts so there is coverage - that sounds like a simple solution - but I know the team doesn't have the man power for that. Even if you did, it would be a skeleton crew so you would need to call out rest of team and once again there are no vehicles. How bout the city just equips the team so they can do there job.
They used to be one of the best, highly trained teams in the country. When they enter tactical and shooting competitions across the country I know they usually win. They used to get some of the best training in the world, including specialized training with Delta, SF and the Navy Seals. The 15,000 per year stipend isn't enough for these guys - it should be sgts pay that is pensionable! They are the most elite team in the department and should be treated as such.
Are you talking about SWAT team that cleared a house after a hostage situation and had to have a few district guys find the two or three guys they missed that were hiding in the house
"I kid, I kid. However, the green uniforms are a dumb idea. There is no need, they are not engaged in jungle warfare and seeking a tactical advantage. That being said- for the things that they do, the standard blue uniforms don't make much sense either. The best choice in my opinion would be the black CPD BDUs. The fit, and more rugged material make that uniform more conducive to their mission than the standard CPD uniform."
Actually the green uniforms are a tactical advantage for the SWAT officers as you see less of a shadow figure at night than wearing all black. It has been tested and proven, so any tactical advantage as police officers we can get while serving a warrant or hostage rescue at night is a plus in my books. Secondly SWAT usually doesn't hit a house right away during a HBT incident so if you're standing out there in 90 degree weather wearing all black it drains you. You would want these officers in the best condition (mentally/physically) possible when they enter the house to make the right decision. Standing out in the hot summer with all the gear and wearing all black put unnecessary stress on these guys. If you look at all major city SWAT teams they all have take home cars at the bare minimum. This is SWAT industry standards and of course CPD is all about going beyond the standard right? Give them the gear they need to do their job PERIOD. And if any of you don't like the way SWAT Is being handle or can do better please by all means sign up for the selection process and pass it with your own merit then talk. CPD has relied to heavily on luck and not skills. When the crap hits the fan and it will this city is going to reap what it sow.
Anonymous Said....
OT: Kind of applies to the city and their ability not to think things thru. There are thirty, yes 30, rental vehicles on the 2nd floor of the 009th District parking garage. What are they for you ask??? Summer mobile!! Now mind you, these aren't Taurus' or Explorers. They are various types on Nissans. And who's going to drive these you ask?? The P.O.'s detailed to summer mobile. They have no emergency equipment, no CPD markings and out of state plates. Please tell me how that is going to work out???? I smell a disaster.
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Those aren't for summer mobile. Those are in exchange for the replacement vehicles that are coming. Those have emergency equipment.
Are you talking about SWAT team that cleared a house after a hostage situation and had to have a few district guys find the two or three guys they missed that were hiding in the house
Is that the only thing you keep bringing up. How about you mention all the the successful jobs that they have done. Mistakes happen get over it. I can tell your a wannabe but have no knowledge. Not a hostage situation it was a barricaded suspect. Get the story right. You want change? Go tryout! HBT
I think a check with the accreditation agency is in order. Since we are so interested in getting accredited, there have requirements for all aspects of the department, that's why the standardization to 9mm and why everyone's shitting about our lock-ups being below standard. I'm sure there's something about a SWAT type unit.
5/15/2017 01:07:00 AM
You obviously have no clue, do you hair gel.
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Another tinker bell with that stupid "hair gel" phrase. You don't sound cool or more knowledgeable saying that. Just like calling another grown man a "prince."
Back to SWAT...I need stories boys! Talk me through call-outs but with all air rifles and intense looks on your face like you're a lion hunting a gazelle. Give these guys take home cars and i propose a tactical troop transport vehicle....a converted short bus painted green with swat logos for large scale super special operator deployment.
If they are going to do this you might as well disband swat, issue more carbines to patrol officers, and just use the state police swat team if we need one. At least they will be properly trained and available
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I am not so sure you want the cluster fuck that ISP brings to the scene. First off they all look like "operators" in their oakleys and beards, that and the whole team has 3% body fat between them. Had the opportunity to be on hand for room clearing and breaching at a west suburban area section 8 facility. They were playing fast and loose and overcharging each door because they were fucking off. Next thing you know,, they lit off one of the units. Burned it straight to the ground.
It was hilarious watching those clowns toss shit in their cars and beat feet out of there. Funniest thing I ever saw! Bunch of idiots.
I'm an officer from a southside district that has military and combat experience. I have used SWAT on a number of occasions and couldn't speak higher of their skills and professionalism.
I find it comical that you have a few haters, mostly people that seem to be very jealous about 1 mistake that happened. Every elite unit I've dealt with in the military has made a few errors - you learn, adapt and move on.
SWAT - stay the course, maintain your readiness - the negative comments are from folks that could not walk in your boots for a mile. For you negative jaded officers - were on the same team - your hating on a group that would have your back in a second out in the field. If your truly upset that you couldn't make the team - just man up and ask for help! The guys I met always offered their assistance!
I kid, I kid. However, the green uniforms are a dumb idea. There is no need, they are not engaged in jungle warfare and seeking a tactical advantage. That being said- for the things that they do, the standard blue uniforms don't make much sense either. The best choice in my opinion would be the black CPD BDUs. The fit, and more rugged material make that uniform more conducive to their mission than the standard CPD uniform.
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Actually the green uniforms are a tactical advantage for the SWAT officers as you see less of a shadow figure at night than wearing all black. It has been tested and proven, so any tactical advantage as police officers we can get while serving a warrant or hostage rescue at night is a plus in my books.
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Industry standards? As someone who has been around for a while I can tell you back in the days of Targeted Responders and Mobile Strikers SWAT wore the black BDU. Then someone came up with the idea of leaving TRU & MSF in the black BDU for extended periods. Guess who made boo-boo face? After an extended pout the green suit was born. It was once again safe to cruise the Viagra Triangle and ignore fellow officers in restaurants all the time confident your elite status was known by everyone.
Is that the only thing you keep bringing up. How about you mention all the the successful jobs that they have done. Mistakes happen get over it. I can tell your a wannabe but have no knowledge. Not a hostage situation it was a barricaded suspect. Get the story right. You want change? Go tryout! HBT
Didn't you shoot yourselves in the foot? Burn a couple of houses down? Let hostages die?
AK is,a total flake, he was on a leave, came back to get made Sgt. Then left again to work for some Blackwater type place in the middle east. He made a habit of being critical of the old HBT program calling it hardly, been, trained but this punk ass wouldn't have the balls to say that to Lt. BOSSE or any of the old guys on the HBT team. He is a medical roll abuser who had a big mouth who wants to wrap them around Ray Hamiltons balls hoping Ray can get Roussell to get him made Lt.of SWAT.
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Industry standards? As someone who has been around for a while I can tell you back in the days of Targeted Responders and Mobile Strikers SWAT wore the black BDU. Then someone came up with the idea of leaving TRU & MSF in the black BDU for extended periods. Guess who made boo-boo face? After an extended pout the green suit was born. It was once again safe to cruise the Viagra Triangle and ignore fellow officers in restaurants all the time confident your elite status was known by everyone.
5/17/2017 02:36:00 PM
Wrong, swat switched to green shortly after assisting in Louisana after Hurricane Katrina. The black was extremely hot in the sun. That was long before MSF and before TRU wore the black BDU. Truth be told
Industry standards? As someone who has been around for a while I can tell you back in the days of Targeted Responders and Mobile Strikers SWAT wore the black BDU. Then someone came up with the idea of leaving TRU & MSF in the black BDU for extended periods. Guess who made boo-boo face? After an extended pout the green suit was born. It was once again safe to cruise the Viagra Triangle and ignore fellow officers in restaurants all the time confident your elite status was known by everyone.
5/17/2017 02:36:00 PM
Wrong, swat switched to green shortly after assisting in Louisana after Hurricane Katrina. The black was extremely hot in the sun. That was long before MSF and before TRU wore the black BDU. Truth be told
5/18/2017 03:25:00 AM
SWAT was HBT during hurricane Katrina. They used to have everyone that was on a team wear the BDU on the weekend back then.
SWAT was HBT during hurricane Katrina. They used to have everyone that was on a team wear the BDU on the weekend back then.
5/18/2017 07:29:00 AM
Why is everyone throwing their 2 cents on what SWAT needs to wear? If you want a vote on it, tryout and make the team then cast your vote. Until then all this argument is invalid. We're all on the same team why are we at each other throats? This is what's different with the military and LE there's no true camaraderie between us. It's what's best for me attitude. SMH
This is what's different with the military and LE there's no true camaraderie between us. It's what's best for me attitude.
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I couldn't agree more
SWAT was HBT during hurricane Katrina. They used to have everyone that was on a team wear the BDU on the weekend back then.
5/18/2017 07:29:00 AM
Why is everyone throwing their 2 cents on what SWAT needs to wear? If you want a vote on it, tryout and make the team then cast your vote. Until then all this argument is invalid. We're all on the same team why are we at each other throats? This is what's different with the military and LE there's no true camaraderie between us. It's what's best for me attitude. SMH
5/18/2017 05:51:00 PM
I don't give a flying fuck what SWAT wears.
I was correcting a previous poster. I'm not at anyone's throat either.
Give SWAT what ever they want or don't. Start a new team or don't.
You SWAT nerds need to stop acting like anyone gives a flying fuck about what you wear, drive, or what time you work.
You guys have been crying on the blog about take home cars, pay grade and in house personal shit since they started SWAT, obviously you weren't on the job.
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