Sanctuary!!!
Wait...that's wrong. We meant, "Limited Immunity!!!"
- A judge ruled Wednesday that statements Chicago Officer Jason Van Dyke made to a detective investigating the shooting of 17-year-old Laquan McDonald could be used against him at trial.
For the first time, Van Dyke, 39, took the stand. He testified for 45 minutes during a pre-trial hearing at Cook County courthouse that aimed to determine whether comments he made to Det. David March and Cmdr. David McNaughton, both retired, could be used.
Both March and McNaughton were granted limited immunity for their testimony, which cannot be used against them in any other legal proceeding.
The judge determined that comments to March, who was indicted Tuesday with two other officers for obstructing the McDonald investigation, could be admissible, but ruled against comments made to McNaughton.
The judge is playing with Garrity Rules here and the unions representing all officers better be paying very close attention to this. Compelled testimony is banned in US Courts. It's also specifically stated in the Constitution that one cannot be compelled to give testimony against oneself. If Van Dyke believed his statements to the Detective were "compelled" and "under duress," then he has a Right to have those statements looked at and judged in the most beneficial light to his defense and his state of mind.
It seems obvious that the prosecution, rightly fearing an acquittal or hung jury, is looking to flip any officer (or exempt) by threatening them with Official Misconduct or pension forfeiture, by means of violating Garrity protections for all members, now and in the future.
It seems obvious that the prosecution, rightly fearing an acquittal or hung jury, is looking to flip any officer (or exempt) by threatening them with Official Misconduct or pension forfeiture, by means of violating Garrity protections for all members, now and in the future.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
134 Comments:
It is Chicago, the ends justify the means.
The statements that JVD gave to the detectives and the exempt were not given in court or under oath. Do these statements count as given under Garrity protection?
Another Drew Peterson case. Can't get him with the laws on the books so just change the law so he'll be guilty.
Ahhhhh, policy and procedure will be on trial. Garrity warnings emplied when an event such as this shooting are at hand. This is clear in U.S. case law standing several years. The prosecution is Marilyn Mosbying for political gain and it shows. The Judge in this case is a dumb ass. You can't make law up as you want it to be. Admin skates on criminal charges but not on defemation suits the arrested officers can file when the dust settles. FOP better be willing to go to the mattresses.
The 'COVER-UP' in this case was the video being held back until after the mayoral election.
That's the only cover-up in this case.
The police are raaaacist, sexist, homophobic sub humans.
You have no Constitutional Rights.
Especially White Police.
At least that is what everyone tells me.
McNaughton typifies most exempts. Regardless of a rank-and-file officer's guilt or innocence, this cowardly sociopath will lie and rat out anyone to protect his greedy ass and his six figure pension. While insubordination can be grounds for separation, McNaughton's craven ilk can burn in hell. Spit on them in disrespect. Meanwhile Roy and Jughead Johnson get a free pass just like the ballerina. Fuck all of them.
I want to thank the Chicago Police Officer who responded to help the Cook County Officer who was being beaten by a Inmate inside the Receiving Area at Cook County Jail today. The Officer was working almost alone due to Tom Darts new Policy of running the Jail with no Staff. But his 190 Directors didn't respond. But all the Directors will be reviewing the Videos to see if they could fire the injured Officer. The two Officers that were Hurt a few Weeks in Div 9 who were beaten are now facing Major Suspension time because they didn't follow Procedures. But the Department Failed to Staff the Jail. But Darts violation of staffing the jail was the cause of the everyday Assaults against the Staff everyday.
If the rules don't fit, change them to fit. It's the Chicago way.
Pay close attention folks. This city took what happened in Baltimore and other high profile cases and seems determined to WIN. Next time you get a man with a gun call make sure you go lights and sirens, look both ways, obey all traffic lights/signs and make sure balance not only the surrounding vehicles but at what cost you want to be proactive.
Cook County State's Attorney and our Stupidintendent and the Exempts are a bunch of Fascistic Assholes...
The Black Grievance Industry has demanded a Sacrifice.
His name is Van Dyke.
The Chicago Democrat Machine will do its best deliver.
They want a guilty verdict, the hell with the law, damn the constitution, full speed ahead!
I am a civilian. For once in my life I pray that I am called for jury duty. God bless Jason Van Dyke, and God bless the CPD.
Talk about "special" treatment from the "special" prosecutor.
This is nauseating.
When will Rahm be put on the stand for suppressing the video until after the election?
You have the Right To Remain Silent: Avail yourselves of it. Say NOTHING no matter what promises are made.
Ask for a lawyer, have one present at all questioning.
In today's environment, the copper's become the suspect, and the suspect the poor downtrodden victim. So again, SHUT UP. As tough as it is - keep your mouth closed except to say "I want a lawyer".
Forget the contractual guarantees, the State law guarantees - none of it's worth shit in this fucked up hellhole of a backwards State.
The only thing you tell the lawyer? I feared for my life, or the lives of others in the area and took necessary action. Say nothing. The burden of proof is on them - let the fuckers make their case.
if you get in a shooting, you call for 2 ambulances. One for you, one for J/O. You stay at that hospital, with No Visitors, until FOP shows up.
Thanks to cabrini foxx, I no longer carry cuffs while I work.
This way I cant arrest anyone.
Crime will soar and the homicide clearance rate will plummet to single digits by the fall.
The citizens of Chicago can thank toni taxwrinkle and cabrini foxx
CBS stated last night that JVD shot Laquan while he was carrying a closed pocket knife. Unreal!!!
Dear SCC:
Thank you for hitting the nail on the head.
The judge and the prosecutors in this case, in an apparent attempt to guarantee a conviction, appear to be actively engaged in a criminal conspiracy to deprive the defendant of his Fifth and Fourteenth Amendment Federal Civil Rights, under the U.S. Constitution. See the link below:
http://www.garrityrights.org/basics.html
Everything that the defendant said to Detective March was under duress, with the threat that his employment with CPD would be terminated without cooperation.
Everything that the defendant said to FOP representatives is privileged conversation.
That fact that the judge is mishandling this case does not bode well.
Mistrial, and re-trial. Possible or probable acquittal, if prior U.S. Supreme Court rulings are diligently followed.
How can you say that the involved officers lied to the investigator and then blame the investigator because he was lied to.
When will those in charge be called to answer for their roles. All who ruled in favor of the accused. Those who made command decisions on scene.
Since when does only one investigator get assigned to this type of incident. Usually a team with a sergeant.
Where was the Lt from the Detective Division, the Captian from the District, the Commanders from both the D unit and the District?
They were all there on video. Who reviewed the video and then took actions to push the investigation to their ruling end.
Why was the video held back until after the elections of both the prosecutor and the mayor?
How did the city council pay off the family without reviewing the video? And why didn't those who reviewed the video and agreed to pay complain about the video content after viewing it. These aldermen and women are all suspect.and tiny dancer is the king pin....saving his election for mayor and his soon to be vice presidential run
Keep working and go to jail
So not only will a white shirt never get into trouble for their actions, they be given the opportunity to push blue shirts down the river? Is this how the game will be played now?
The statements given to the detectives will be tossed as soon as Herbert asks the question "did you read my client his rights before questioning him?" When the answer is "NO", any statement given is inadmissible.
The liberal democrats create sanctuary cities for themselves and other criminals and illegal aliens, not for the Police. Sanctuary cities are for "law breakers" not "law enforcers".
Law Breakers *** Democrats *** Criminals *** Illegal Aliens.
J.J.
I think this FUBAR has gone too far.
Washington needs to be called in to take
care of this kangaroo/patronage/racist
legal conflab in Chicago. You have human
life on the line in what amounts to an extended,
protracted fight over who will be the next mayor
of a Midwestern city formerly known as
Slaughterhouse City. Somebody call Carl
Sandberg to the stand. You ask police to work in
a civilian version of Vietnam filled with teenagers
jacked up on PCP and armed with knives.
The politicos take their sides and hope to parlay a
tragedy into a pension job piñata. The jerks with the
sticks need to be investigated because they have no
morals and think they can ignore case law.
1) Interesting how the former judge/now Special persecuter can announce indictments without explaining to the press the difference between Miranda & Garrity rights. Her only mission is to keep using the Carol Marin mantra "he lied - he conspired." Did these #blm lawyers (Mosby, Holder, Lynch & Foxx) all go to the same "get whitey" school of law?
2) Kevin Graham was able to stand his ground against the U of C law professor last night on Chicago Tonight as the new indictments were discussed. He also correctly observed how 5-10 seconds of the Laquan Legacy video does not show the total event as he kept slashing his knife at squad cars while flying on PCP. It is only by appearing on these news programs that the entire incident is examined, despite the moderator's desire to keep the mantra in the public's head. Kevin should continue to defend these officers - unlike Deano's infrequent comments. Mere repetition of the Marin Mantra will only further jaundice the issue as Carol continues to demand "Ferguson style riots" to justify her lynch mob mentality
Retired .38 spl + P
Your lawyer is your only friend. Talk only to your friend.
Get in a shooting you better get a lawyer. Signed, a lawyer.
FOP must act. Both witnesses testified that never told him if he didn't answer questions that he would be fired. So we do not need to answer questions? Now any time you are told to do something, you should ask whether you will be fired if you fail to do or answer the question.
Prior to responding to an call, you should ask the dispatcher whether you will be fired if you refused to respond.
Rahm seems hell-bent on giving illegals
sanctuary and driving public servants into
exile. Is Rahm still riding a Red Bull while
wearing a Superman cape in the July 4th
parade? Cubs at White House for a
"voluntary visit," not an official one.
Thinking Rahm feels neglected.
80 dead in June with 2 days left, can they get to 90. Boy oh boy are they proving their point. Just smile and wave boys, smile and wave.
They are determined to burn him by any means possible.
I hope Disney makes a kid-friendly version of
"Hamilton," putting a high price on guys with
raccoon eyes in all the major roles.
Take the fifth and RECORD everything that is said. When you are given a direct order, take the fifth. Absolutely right, I feared for my life! The end, that is all I'm going to say.
OT: Arena Watch
Time to boycott Allied Plumbing and Heating Supply, 6900 W. Irving Park RD.
One of their employees, Mike Gilbert is ranting on Arena's Facebook page about CPD and CFD personnel being the worst offenders when it comes to illegal fireworks.
While we agree that fireworks are dangerous and out of control here in Ciudad Sanctuario, it's a lot more then city workers using them.
The scuzzier parts of 016 and 017, many of which are in the 45th Ward, are loaded with Cobras, Familia Stones, Kings, etc....who blow this shit off with a vengeance. Look at your neighbors.
Typical cop hating Arena lover.
It's time the FOP send out an attorney to every police involved shooting. It is apparent that their needs to be legal representation from the very onset of the incident.
To the FUTURE pro-active brothers and sisters out there:
Should you find yourself in any situation which MAY cause you to use physical active force against another, which includes deadly force, avail yourself of your Constitutional Rights......
And that includes the right to remain silent, the right to an attorney, et al......you have GIVEN them to others hundreds of times...make sure you use them YOURSELF.....if stressed, avail yourself of an emergency room......
I remember an old-timer who would preach " the less said, the better". As an example, after a prolonged interaction with a DUI offender, his report read, and I quote: " Saw drunk, arrested same".
So, to put that all into simple words: KEEP YOUR BIG MOUTHS SHUT!
I don't understand the process/ our contractual protections. Let me take a stab at this: the det. asks VD some questions, VD feels he does not want to talk and asks for a lawyer, the criminal investigation/interview (if there had been one) is over. The bosses/IAD now move in and say "If you don't give a statement we will take administrative actions and fire you." VD gives a statement, but THAT statement cannot be used criminally.
Am I right so far?
The same Judge Vincent Gaughan that held the police at bay and shot at them with a rifle after he returned from Vietnam? It's all legit.
Mistrial and this case on the way to the United States Supreme court and away from crooked Cook County Courts!
Knives: What Will It Take?
Today, in The Guardian, a London police
officer describes how he fought off 3 attackers
with just his baton, half-blinded because he was
stabbed in one eye. He said the 3 attackers
surrounded him "like a wolf pack" during the
London Bridge attack.
Wake up, Chicago. Wake up, defense attorneys.
This sounds like chicago.... No Go Zones
I have got to say that every time Dan Herbert comes up with a great strategy, the corrupt think tank tries to get ahead and totally breaks the rules. I have every confidence in Dan Herbert, but damn the deck is sure stacked against him and Van Dyke. I seriously think that crook county wants a conviction by any means possible to avoid the shitheads rioting. They get the conviction and then the payoff after its overturned. I hope and pray that the judge looks deeper into the oath he took and decides to do the right thing before it's too late. It's a shame that rahm gets away with this, he totally sold the CPD down the river after this. This was his fault. He should never have held that tape back. He created this monster which has grown into something that cannot be controlled. Rahm should be the founding father of "Fuck Da Police" because he certainly did. If Van Dyke is convicted we should seriously, and I do mean seriously have a Blue Flu Day. 24 Hours, no Police Protection. He fucked us, it's the only way to fuck him back. He's not being held accountable for anything. He has put us in more danger and doesn't really give a fuck about us. You can only kick a dog so many times, before it bites back.
If you remain silent, they'll get you for that. Rules & Regs say you must cooperate with other units of the Department, other city agencies and other police agencies.
Directives say members must cooperate with any ongoing investigation into allegations of misconduct. Members will be disciplined up to and including separation from the Department for refusing to answer questions relating to their official actions or obligations which were assumed upon appointment to the Department.
Seeing as you must cooperate or be fired, Garrity should attach. You're being compelled.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You have the Right To Remain Silent: Avail yourselves of it. Say NOTHING no matter what promises are made.
Ask for a lawyer, have one present at all questioning.
In today's environment, the copper's become the suspect, and the suspect the poor downtrodden victim. So again, SHUT UP. As tough as it is - keep your mouth closed except to say "I want a lawyer".
Forget the contractual guarantees, the State law guarantees - none of it's worth shit in this fucked up hellhole of a backwards State.
The only thing you tell the lawyer? I feared for my life, or the lives of others in the area and took necessary action. Say nothing. The burden of proof is on them - let the fuckers make their case.
6/29/2017 03:54:00 AM
very good comment, but you left out immediately keep saying "I was in fear of my life,I need an ambulance now chest pains" say no more get to the hospital, get on a monitor they will give you EKG,and then ask for the holter 24 hour monitor and stay overnight in the hospital tell doctor please no visitors unless family don't ever talk to the clowns with the gold badges all lying losers as evidenced by deputy idiot mcnaughton!
Note to "hard chargers"stop the nonsense the stupidity the bosses will do nothing but hang you out to dry to save their cowardly asses!
Yesterday when sitting in my FETAL position at work and bitching with my partner how fucked up this job has become, a thought crossed my mind about the stress that JVD and his family is going through..... At that moment we stopped bitching and resumed FETAL position knowing we will never ever be able to be the Police again.
Scc, another guard was attacked at Cook County jail going to need reconstructive sugery. He's in bad shape.
Um? His lawyer let him take the stand? Why? Just wondering.
Always remember: supervisors have CAREERS, blue shirts have JOBS. You can always get another JOB, unless you get convicted.
I hope this poor man gets a fair jury, i dont see that in any possible way with the way rahm and this shithole city painted him guilty before trial.
Rahm is the true criminal here and the coverup, never should have even waited until after election for that tape to leak. And why the hell payout when you already were going to get the backlash? Oh, the crooked shitcago way as always.
Oh, and fuck you rahm.
It's in the back of everyone's FOP Book. Does the "disclaimer" not mean anything in court. Is it just administrative or what? If so why waste the ink to print it? I'm not a lawyer but used it every time I was asked to give a statement, written or oral.
Good luck Officers, but it seems the deck is stacked in favor of the house. How do you think Vegas keeps all those neon lights on.
Just wondering if Van Dyke was questioned initially under Garrity/Tennessee (administrative) or Miranda (criminal investigation) ? Not sure how your department separates admin/criminal investigations of Officers. If it was under Garrity there is no way in hell those statements are admissible.
Please anyone who is summoned for jury duty, please answer and serve on a jury. Weneed fair, smart, jurors.
Fetal is no longer the word of the day, from now on it will be comatose ! ! !
FU kimm and bigger FU to tiny ballerina
The next time you get a man with a gun call........
Respond by saying, ummm ok, we have a report of a right being exercised.
Next Call please.
I heard then Deputy Chief Eddie Johnson was at the initial crime scene
His name is not on the Crime Scene log. Neither is Chief Roy
All Exempts who saw the dash cam video should be fired for claiming the 'Code of Silence '
THIS INCLUDES THE SUPT. IMMEDIATELY AFTER THIS INCIDENT, the Superintendent was promoted from the famous NO LIST
And his Lt NF cheating finance was promoted to LT
All supervision at the initial crime scene who also saw the dash cam video, should be fired
The 9.5. Fingers and his former Chief Corporation Attorney, should be charged with a Crime
Only JVD WILL BE FOUND GUILTY
THE REST OF THE BUNCH WILL RETIRE WITH LARGE PENSIONS
Making it more fairer by promoting the biased agenda of Dunce Foxxxx, who desperately needs a conviction here.
Giving statements "under duress, in that I may lose my job..." protects...who?
Seems like a double standard.
Fearing injury or life is no longer acceptable.
Say nothing.
I know nothing.
I don't recall.
Deny.
Medical.
It works for Democrats including Rahm.
The witch hunt will continue.
DON'T GET OVER-INVOLVED IN GHETTO AFFAIRS.
Rahm or his Merit Clowns will not protect your job and will not protect your rights.
Crooked Chicago - Crooked Cook County.
McNaughton ran away from this and retired leaving everyone under him to hang. What a piece of crap he turned out to be!
Remember, cars are not weapons, but this pregnant lady, after being robbed, is being charged for using
her car to rundown a thief who took her wallet
http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/264666649-story
One part of our employment which is stated in our rules and general orders that failing to cooperate in an investigation either criminal, civil or administrative can result in termination. Look up the rules. Just by van dyke not cooperating with the detective is a violation of a rule and a rule violation such as that is punnisible by termination. Given that when you are hired you sign off on working for this city under these rules and when you are sworn in it is understood that you know all of these rules then nobody had to advise van dyke of anything, he is under that rule at all times when he is working. Hopefully Herbert or the union pull that till out and somehow attempt to apple all this ruling.
Talk about "special" treatment from the "special" prosecutor.
This is nauseating.
When will Rahm be put on the stand for suppressing the video until after the election?
@@@
When Mcnaughton grows some balls and testifies that he had knowledge that the dupe and rahm both saw the video which Mcnaughton had first hand knowledge of.... why wait Dave?? Do you owe rahm or this city anything??? They pushed you out to be a fall guy no matter how nice they seemed when they pushed you out. If you say something you still get your pension they can't take that away from you.
It's over rahm you the 50 Toni Durbin duckworth etc are done violations of federal law billions gone due you standing up for criminal offenders:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/29/house-passes-kate-s-law-as-part-illegal-immigrant-crackdown.html
Another law for you to break! No more money for police you have ruined this once great city now resign!
How can you say that the involved officers lied to the investigator and then blame the investigator because he was lied to?
You can't be that stupid?!?! You answered your own question . The keyword is "investigate".
How can you say that the involved officers lied to the investigator and then blame the investigator because he was lied to?
You can't be that stupid?!?! You answered your own question . The keyword is "investigate".
Anonymous said...
I am a civilian. For once in my life I pray that I am called for jury duty. God bless Jason Van Dyke, and God bless the CPD.
6/29/2017 02:39:00 AM
Count me in too......I would "do the right thing" if selected for jury duty.
There should be no question in JVD or anyone's mind that when you are involved in a department investigation that you are compelled to answer. Should be burned into every copper mind from day one.
Sorry guys but all of you are wrong. I have been retired a long time and I retired as a detective. During my time as a detective I personally handled my share of police shootings. And before I was a detective I had been involved in several of my own shootings. Only a blind man could look at that video and not see how wrong it was to shoot that man. Show me the threat an I will eat my computer. Bad enough we have a bad shooting but it gets compounded by officers writing reports to back up the shooting as justified. Give credit to those officers who were smart enough to write reports that said that they did not see the shooting. Those that were pressured by the field Lt to be supportive and write reports to back up the shooting as justified are all going to pay a heavy price.
When will you learn that the bosses never pay a price for their involvement but you the street guy is hung out to dry.
Change venue and request a bench trial. Cannot get fair trial in Cook County. I doubt he's going to be convicted but if he is now that the case stinks constitutionally any conviction
will surely be thrown out on appeal. Fuck you Rahm. The grand jury should hear evidence about how you obstructed Justice by withholding the tape from the investigators to begin with. Jagoff.
Was the crazy running up and down the street treating everyone with the knife he had in his possession? Did the police keep asking him to drop it and did not comply? Did he continue with his treating manner after being ordered to drop the weapon? Where does it say in the use of deadly force how many shots you are aloud to use to stop an aggressor? He fucken walks..........
Anonymous said...
Please anyone who is summoned for jury duty, please answer and serve on a jury. Weneed fair, smart, jurors.
6/29/2017 12:33:00 PM
Too much of the Cook County jury pool is too joyously hateful
and willfully ignorant of the concept of "civic duty."
Passing a 50 to 100 question exam pertaining to The Bill of Rights
should be the bare minimum for sitting on a jury.
Oh wait...
That's racist, isn't it?
If you get involved in a use of force incident where lethal force is used. DON'T SAY ANYTHING. Answer only the question that asks if you are alright and need an ambulance. Wait until someone of rank asks you a question about the situation. When that time comes, the first question should be if this is an administrative question and you are being ordered to answer or if it is criminal in nature. If administrative, be sure to have a witness present, all questions and answers done in front of a functioning in car camera, including the ,"Is this administrative or criminal question?". If it is criminal in nature, your response should be, "I will not make a statement without my lawyer present." If you are in a district that has BWCs, make sure that thing is on!
Fearing injury or life is no longer acceptable.
Say nothing.
I know nothing.
I don't recall.
Deny.
Medical.
It works for Democrats including Rahm.
That only works if you are a machine democrat, nobody puts their feet to the fire, especially the press. Laws only apply to us peons. Stuttering prick suddenly has a medical condition so he doesn't testify, no problem. Or the smatest woman in America, Hillary playing stupid... What, like wipe the server with a cloth? Or, Alfred E. Newman, if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. Riiiiight...
The dice are loaded.
"very good comment, but you left out immediately keep saying "I was in fear of my life,I need an ambulance now chest pains" say no more get to the hospital, get on a monitor they will give you EKG,and then ask for the holter 24 hour monitor and stay overnight in the hospital tell doctor please no visitors unless family don't ever talk to the clowns with the gold badges."
Sounds like very good advice. Sorry you have to use it.
What the Van Dyke murder trial judge has in common with Laquan McDonald
https://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/judge-vincent-gaughan-laquan-mcdonald-shooting/Content?oid=20876808
When Mcnaughton grows some balls and testifies that he had knowledge that the dupe and rahm both saw the video which Mcnaughton had first hand knowledge of.... why wait Dave?? Do you owe rahm or this city anything??? They pushed you out to be a fall guy no matter how nice they seemed when they pushed you out. If you say something you still get your pension they can't take that away from you.
BS. If he says something about the case and they link him to the conspiracy he cover up and charge him with a felony he could lose the pension. If you are convicted of a felony job related you will lose your pension even if you are retured
Decision in Underwood, et al. v. City of Chicago and Trustees issued today.
Subject to confirmation, President Trump picks JOHN LAUSCH, Kirkland + Ellis, for the next U.S. Atty., Northern Dist. of Illinois.
The statements given to the detectives will be tossed as soon as Herbert asks the question "did you read my client his rights before questioning him?" When the answer is "NO", any statement given is inadmissible.
6/29/2017 06:58:00 AM
Unfortunately Van Dyke made himself as a victim, you don't have to read victims any rights.
I thought McNaughton was a lying weasel when he was my commander in 8 but this takes the cake. You are a complete piece of shit. You may as well forget that you ever wore this uniform because you don't deserve the respect from fellow officers. You covered this video up with Rahm as far as we are all concerned. What a loser you are! You spent all these years on CPD and end it all in disgrace because you would rather hang a group of officers out to dry rather than take any blame for your actions. I HOPE I run into one day so I can tell this to your face
OT: 2 officers shot in San Antonio and in critical condition.
Kate's Law Passes Federal Law that ends Sanctuary Cities
Rham the Confederate will try to tell the CPD not to enforce.
-He will make Coppers pay more in property taxes and Fees.
We take an oath to the US Constitution and the Constitution of the State of Illinois.
-No politician can tell us what laws apply.
Make America Great Again
Take back Chicago Take back America
Semper Fi
Chicago will burn due to no police activity
but Rhams house will be ok cause of all the police that guard him but maybe when the mobs come the guards will just walk away or do Fukin NOTHING! LO
Tom Dart's a fucking disgrace. Didnt even call to see if guard was ok. Third guard hospitalized this month
From NEWSER, Illinois can't do anything right
"Illinois Headed for an Unwanted First
– Illinois residents just got a tangible reminder about their state's budget impasse: As of Wednesday night, they can't buy Powerball tickets. And after Friday night, they won't be able to buy Mega Millions tickets. State lottery officials are suspending sales for a simple reason: They don't have the money to pay up, reports NBC News. "The groups that own and operate these two popular games will not permit Illinois to sell the games without funds available to pay prizes," says the state lottery website. Sales will resume whenever state lawmakers send along the money. What's more, anyone who wins any prize of $25,000 or more will have to wait to collect the money. More on the budget trouble:
• A bad 'first': S&P Global Ratings plans to give Illinois a "junk" rating on its credit assuming no deal is reached by the deadline Saturday, reports CNN Money. It would be the first time any state has gotten that rating.
• The impasse: This would be the third straight year Illinois has failed to pass a budget and the Chicago Tribune explains: "The central premise of the two-year standoff remains: Democrats and Republicans agree that a tax hike must be part of any solution, but (Republican Gov. Bruce) Rauner says the state also needs regulatory changes to spur economic growth." Democratic House Speaker Michael Madigan "has resisted those calls, saying they would hurt middle-class workers at the expense of the wealthy." Democrats control both houses of the legislature.
• 700 days: The state has now reached that mark without a budget, notes Bloomberg. "The self-inflicted crisis has left the fifth most-populous state with a record $14.5 billion of unpaid bills, ravaged entities like universities and social service providers that rely on state aid and undermined Illinois’s standing in the bond market."
• Special session: Lawmakers are in special session trying to strike a deal, and the Chicago Sun-Times has the nitty gritty on negotiations. "The outlook for a deal wasn't good," per the AP.
• Bailout? The way things are going, it's not far-fetched to predict that the federal government will have to intervene in the not-too-distant future, writes Ike Brannon at the Weekly Standard. "Should that occur, it’s a safe bet that everyone will share in the pain—taxpayers, bondholders, and public pensioners alike."
Anonymous said...
The statements that JVD gave to the detectives and the exempt were not given in court or under oath. Do these statements count as given under Garrity protection?
6/29/2017 12:23:00 AM
Garrity Rights apply to the right of a public employee not to be compelled to incriminate themselves by their employer. These rights are based on the 1967 United States Supreme Court decision Garrity v. New Jersey. Garrity Rights apply only to public employees, because they are employed by the government itself.
If you are worried that any answer to a question you might give to a supervisor would violate the above or the 5th Amendment...REFUSE to answer. You have the Legal Right to refuse....regardless of whatever damn GO is on the books under Garrity and 5A.
Anonymous said...
I want to thank the Chicago Police Officer who responded to help the Cook County Officer who was being beaten by a Inmate inside the Receiving Area at Cook County Jail today. The Officer was working almost alone due to Tom Darts new Policy of running the Jail with no Staff. But his 190 Directors didn't respond. But all the Directors will be reviewing the Videos to see if they could fire the injured Officer. The two Officers that were Hurt a few Weeks in Div 9 who were beaten are now facing Major Suspension time because they didn't follow Procedures. But the Department Failed to Staff the Jail. But Darts violation of staffing the jail was the cause of the everyday Assaults against the Staff everyday.
6/29/2017 01:47:00 AM
Sue under:
Unsafe Work Conditions
Hostile Workplace Conditions.
I don't think it matters what was said, the real damage is in the video. Police can say a thousand different ways it was justified but anyone else viewing that will disagree.
6/29/2017 09:16:00 AM
Are you a Cop? If Yes...do something about the Illegal Fireworks then. Easy ANOV.
Sorry guys but all of you are wrong. I have been retired a long time and I retired as a detective. During my time as a detective I personally handled my share of police shootings. And before I was a detective I had been involved in several of my own shootings. Only a blind man could look at that video and not see how wrong it was to shoot that man. Show me the threat an I will eat my computer. Bad enough we have a bad shooting but it gets compounded by officers writing reports to back up the shooting as justified. Give credit to those officers who were smart enough to write reports that said that they did not see the shooting. Those that were pressured by the field Lt to be supportive and write reports to back up the shooting as justified are all going to pay a heavy price.
When will you learn that the bosses never pay a price for their involvement but you the street guy is hung out to dry.
6/29/2017 06:07:00 PM
What field Lt? You must have been retired a long time. A field Lt is a rareity these days, and he/she is not in charge of the investigation or signing off on the shooting. To answer your second point - that's the key question - who saw the video - when did they see it - ?? Most are gone and retired. The other is the Supt. And one is the Mayor.
Rules & Regs
Failure to cooperate when called to give evidence or statements by any investigative branch or superior officer of the Chicago Police Department or the Police board when the evidence or statements sought relate specifically, directly and narrowly to the performance of his official duties. If the member properly asserts a constitutional privilege, he will be required to cooperate if advised that by law any evidence or statements given by him cannot be used against him in a subsequent criminal prosecution.
McNaughton ran away from this and retired leaving everyone under him to hang. What a piece of crap he turned out to be!
6/29/2017 02:37:00 PM
Did he get a gold braid pension? He left short of maxing out as far as service years, but he could still have qualified for the gold braid pension. I hope he did not receive it.
JVD was not under criminal investigation during Admin questioning, therefore no Miranda was afforded only the Dept Rules obligation to comply. After said questioning was complete, a high ranking review and a city hall round table of the all reports concluded that JVD actions were justified.
End of story - so we all thought.
Now as we find that what was documented in that interview is gong to be allowed as part of the trial...as part of the prosecutions case.
This stinks to high heaven of Rahm's pandering politics.
Someone decided it would be in Rahm's re-election interest to release a video and win some votes.
It didn't work that well. He's still out of favor with the community.
The case was going nowhere with what little they had on the unnaminous high ranking and city hall concurring the action was justified.
The Crooked Cook Co judiciary granted Foxxx a Hail Mary play.
I think it will flop.
Hence the Phase Two, which is all an obnoxious Foxxxx bullshit sideshow with phony charges of Obstruction.
It will be interesting to see what Immune MicNorton will have to say (if previously documented or not).
I'd hate to be in his shoes late at night.
The statements given to the detectives will be tossed as soon as Herbert asks the question "did you read my client his rights before questioning him?" When the answer is "NO", any statement given is inadmissible.
6/29/2017 06:58:00 AM
Unfortunately Van Dyke made himself as a victim, you don't have to read victims any rights.
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Wrong!
Learn your job before you start commenting are shit son. At NO time did JVD say or imply " I'm a victim"... he took action and what happened happened.
Why isn't Van Dyke suing the city for improper training that put him is that situation without the tools to handle it? Was he CIT trained? What was his stress inoculation training over the years? Any additional firearms training besides the thirty rounds to qualify each year?
I will no longer, from here on out, put my thoughts into any threads that take place on SCC. Its clear that this Department and their members are never going to come together and take a stand on the injustice that is taking place on law enforcement in this City. The blatant cheating and two tiers of discipline, the Corrupt IAD, FOP failure year and year, States Attny. who would rather see your ass imprisoned then try a case with true criminal. No point !
Well, let me remind all my brothers, sisters,civilians and media that are reading. Think back in time when we first started this job. When we were on the weapons range, we were taught when the target faces you, fire two rounds in six seconds, cover down left, cover down right and re-holster your weapon. Officers were reacting to training on the streets. Think some more, a federal study then proved that Officer were being Victims of Gun Shot wounds and .....in the line of duty death even when the officer shot the armed with a handgun offender. The study showed that the officer encountered the gunman, the officer got his two shots off and re-holstered his weapon. At this point the offender was still a threat and returned fired injuring and / or killing the officer. Our training then changed in the last 5 to 6 years. They starred training us to shoot until the threat is eliminated, then cover down and re-holster. I believe the officer reacted to training, 16 shots to climate the threat, which was given by CPD Academy personnel, Blessed by the Superintendent and Ordered by the Major. Does anybody remember this change in tactics.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Chicago will burn due to no police activity
but Rhams house will be ok cause of all the police that guard him but maybe when the mobs come the guards will just walk away or do Fukin NOTHING! LO
6/29/2017 07:25:00 PM
Not a cop amongst them.
Herbert never should have put Van Dyke on the stand! Herbert should have asked March and McNaughton if they ever read Van Dyke his Miranda or Administrative rights! Herbert should appeal the decision immediately! Never had much faith in Herbert I believe he is way over his head and wonder if he will subpoena retired exempts, Johnson, or Rahm. If not the fix is in and Herbert has been gotten to!
Pray the Holy Rosary for Van Dyke family...it is best that the family stays together...i pray for them everyday..please join me...
If JVD gets convicted let's start our own riots and protests.
Obama, Holder and Sharpton were ready and when Ferguson, Missouri happened that's when they started their persecution of the police in order to change police policy. That was their intention. They wanted the police to stop stopping their people and now at least 14 cities are going through 'reform' and changing their policies because of the Obama DOJ. They started riots protests and shut cities down.
Or, If he does get convicted , we should all go on the medical the following day. Everybody. Shut down the CPD's operations.
Is there any planning for the trial of Officer JVD and the after effects of a not guilty verdict? Are the white shirts planning? The chances of rioting in urban cities rises according to racial segregation & Chicago is the #1 big city in that regard.
A couple of corrections...
Van Dyke was not in custody during questioning. Miranda is not required and any statements he made are admissible.
The detective questioning him does not outrank him and cannot order him to make a statement. No duress there.
Duress happens when a supervisor orders him to make a statement. Those statements are protected under Garrety. The judge ruled correctly.
The bosses never pay the price for their involvement and the bosses does not have your back. Protect yourself. If you are lucky you may find one good supervisor thoughtout your career that you can have confidence in. Don't hold your breath.
So what's the moral of this story? If we get involved in a shooting - and the bosses/detectives ask for a brief summary of what happened " so they can move forward with their investigation - should we as police even comment or keep our mouths shut. In the past, if you had good bosses/detectives/ street deputy who you knew were not out to hurt you- we had no problem giving a statement. BUT IN LIGHT OF TODAYS EVENTS AND CLIMATE - what do we do? I assume say nothing correct? I think the FOP needs to give its members more clarity on what to say or NOT to say on the scene of a police shooting. I don't care how good a boss/Detective etc. you think these people are - it's seems that giving any details - even a brief run down of the events could or will come back to bite you in the ass.
Anonymous said...
A couple of corrections...
Van Dyke was not in custody during questioning. Miranda is not required and any statements he made are admissible.
The detective questioning him does not outrank him and cannot order him to make a statement. No duress there.
Duress happens when a supervisor orders him to make a statement. Those statements are protected under Garrety. The judge ruled correctly.
6/30/2017 01:32:00 AM
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Another correction, duress relates to a nature created situation that requires you to act against your morals (or the laws). For example, you are stranded on a boat and kill another person in order to eat that person--food, that is duress. Coercion is when another human being forces you to do something.
Read a book once in a while.
The Doer, Future Supervisor
Give it up
The Garrity rule was rolled over when the copper was given off duty administrative DUI
years ago and then the Cook County States Attorney was allowed to use the test results in a criminal case. It went to Illinois supreme court and was crushed
There also.......
The use of Garrity law in any matter involving a Police officer is now useless.
The truth means more then rights in any court.....
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It's time the FOP send out an attorney to every police involved shooting. It is apparent that their needs to be legal representation from the very onset of the incident.
6/29/2017 09:18:00 AM
Absolutely correct
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sorry guys but all of you are wrong. I have been retired a long time and I retired as a detective. During my time as a detective I personally handled my share of police shootings. And before I was a detective I had been involved in several of my own shootings. Only a blind man could look at that video and not see how wrong it was to shoot that man. Show me the threat an I will eat my computer. Bad enough we have a bad shooting but it gets compounded by officers writing reports to back up the shooting as justified. Give credit to those officers who were smart enough to write reports that said that they did not see the shooting. Those that were pressured by the field Lt to be supportive and write reports to back up the shooting as justified are all going to pay a heavy price.
When will you learn that the bosses never pay a price for their involvement but you the street guy is hung out to dry.
6/29/2017 06:07:00 PM
A lot of good points here. I was involved in the investigation of numerous shootings too. What is so stupid is that the other officers are going to pay the price AND JVD was charged anyway. the video does not lie and is not going away.
It will be interesting to see what Immune MicNorton will have to say (if previously documented or not).
I'd hate to be in his shoes late at night.
6/29/2017 10:05:00 PM
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why what did McNaughton do? did he write a report? He fucked up simply because he is a boss? That's pretty fucked up too.
If he said it was a good shoot, would you prefer he said otherwise? You are just like the general public, how can someone win with a prick like you being the judge? You are no better than the ridiculous citizens.
Prior to responding to an call, you should ask the dispatcher whether you will be fired if you refused to respond.
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ya, ask the dispatcher
ask the dispatcher
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If you get involved in a use of force incident where lethal force is used. DON'T SAY ANYTHING. Answer only the question that asks if you are alright and need an ambulance. Wait until someone of rank asks you a question about the situation. When that time comes, the first question should be if this is an administrative question and you are being ordered to answer or if it is criminal in nature. If administrative, be sure to have a witness present, all questions and answers done in front of a functioning in car camera, including the ,"Is this administrative or criminal question?". If it is criminal in nature, your response should be, "I will not make a statement without my lawyer present." If you are in a district that has BWCs, make sure that thing is on!
6/29/2017 06:32:00 PM
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whats the fucking difference what VD told the det??? VD did not say anything that could hurt him in a murder trial. Anyway, they are attempting to convict based on the video. I guess what I'm asking is "exactly what statement is Herbert trying to get thrown out?"
No matter what the truth is it's the video people will remember. VD may walk but I doubt the Chicago political machine will allow that to happen. Right or wrong means nothing when it comes to protecting those at the top. You street coppers are pawns to be sacrificed anytime the King is in danger. But then the French Revolution was a bunch of fed up pawns who decided they were tired of being treated like pawns. Are you getting tired?
Dan Herbert is a good guy and may be a decent lawyer but not good enough to handle this VanDyke case. JVD is going down in this case, maybe not for murder but something. Herbert handled a case c a few years back for a group of coppers kids who got refused the job but lost it in court because he simply was not prepared due to him messing with the VanDyke case. I believe d that he thinks if by some miracle he wins, then he will fly to the top of the best lawyer list. THAT said, I wish him the best in winning.
Take nothing for granted....
Do the dance when it's time to dance....
After a police involved shooting long ago, it was said that the old time sergeant spoke directly to the p.o. and stated, "I hereby order you to tell me what happened. If you don't you may lose your job." Many at the time thought he was being an ass. Looking back, one might realize he was intentionally compelling the officer to make a statement that in the future could not be used against him. In the end, everything was justified and it all worked out.
Don't take advantage of your sergeants, especially those who with knowledge who know what to do when poop hits the fan. Learn the difference between a supervisor who wants to be your friend and one who only cares about ensuring you do your job right so that you go home safely.
Know the orders. Know your rights. Know the procedures that are to be followed in all situations, especially those that occur infrequently but will have severe consequences if not followed to the letter and especially.....
...........Take nothing for granted.
I hope you are enjoying retirement Lt. JB (020, 007, 006).
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It's over rahm you the 50 Toni Durbin duckworth etc are done violations of federal law billions gone due you standing up for criminal offenders:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/29/house-passes-kate-s-law-as-part-illegal-immigrant-crackdown.html
Another law for you to break! No more money for police you have ruined this once great city now resign!
6/29/2017 05:07:00 PM
Thinking back to, it seems like centuries ago, civics class, don't the bills have to pass in the Senate too? Did I miss that part?
Wrong!
Learn your job before you start commenting are shit son. At NO time did JVD say or imply " I'm a victim"... he took action and what happened happened.
6/29/2017 10:11:00 PM
If the detective interviewing Van Dyke thought that the officer's actions were criminal then he should Miranda the officer. I think a lot will depend on what was on the mind of the investigating detective and the responding field deputy.
NO. FUCKING. WAY. would I take a chance. JVD should be looking for a way out of the country.
17 02:37:00 PM
Did he get a gold braid pension? He left short of maxing out as far as service years, but he could still have qualified for the gold braid pension. I hope he did not receive it.
You don't have to max out to get a pension. He had time to get the gold braid. All you need is 3, maybe 4 years as an exempt
I am a civilian. For once in my life I pray that I am called for jury duty. God bless Jason Van Dyke, and God bless the CPD.
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And God bless you as well!
Anonymous said...
Why isn't Van Dyke suing the city for improper training that put him is that situation without the tools to handle it? Was he CIT trained? What was his stress inoculation training over the years? Any additional firearms training besides the thirty rounds to qualify each year?
6/29/2017 10:21:00 PM
THIS.
LOOMS.
LARGE.
Over any conspiratorial FUCKERY Rahm Emanuel is pulling
to ensure that the fact that he suppressed that video
and paid off the LmcD family $5 Million in municipal
funds in hush money to keep the black electorate on
the Chicago Democratic slave plantation so that he
could win a very much undeserved second term as mayor.
As soon as we saw the video, the phrase "Lawful But Awful"
went through our mind.
Everything else is pure back-of-the-CTA bus Kabuki Theater
with some 3-Card Monte on the side.
Rahm Emanuel and Garry McCarthy ARE unindicted co-conspirators
for years of running CPD on the cheap by absolutely GUTTING
CPD monies for training and equipment.
We give grudging credit to j-fled, he was adamant about
dynamic Use of Force training and scenario based simulations.
McCarthy, with Rahms blessing, carved CPD to the bone to
give Rahm more money to blow on catering to the lowest
societal denominator in Chicago.
And so many Officers voiced concern on this very blog
that something bad was going to happen that would be
directly attributable to the dearth of training.
The powers that be, tried their very best to put their
protective firewall/plausible deniability in place.
"We're makin' those dumb blue shirts watch training videos..."
Bull-M/Fing-SHIT...
So now Rahm, Dumb-Ass-Ed, Kimesha "Me & My Peoples an'
Folkses Revenge Against All Things Police" Foxx are
doing every underhanded, unethical, deck-stacking
thing to ensure that JVD is lynched to protect the
status quo and divert public attention away from
from the shit that REALLY needs looking at and addressing.
"All you Cops covered-up each other's wrong doing
instead of slapping handcuffs on one another."
This shooting was already adjudicated as justifiable.
This shit-show is nothing but Rahm Emanuel desperately
trying to cover his tracks by laying JVD and by proxy,
every Chicago Policeman on the sacrificial altar to
have their beating hearts carved out to appease the mob
and ensure Rahm Emanuel the safety of another term in
office to secure the bigger and better things he feels
is his due.
So what if he ruined life and living in a city he
has no real affinity for other than a springboard
for more fortune?
That's what's wrong with Chicago.
Too many space-holders non-endowed with
sufficient situational acuity and discernment.
Too many of the intellectually disinterested
among the electorate who are dazzled by the
equivalent of a pile of shit on the sidewalk
with lit sparklers festooned all about it and
blazing away...
"OOOH! AAHH!"
>Sizzle! Stink!<
There's not enough hatred of Rahm and those
who sent him.
SCC continues to make good points RE fair trials and due process. Important stuff.
(But unless something's missing, the judge likely ruled correctly. Agree with 06/30 1:32AM)
What is missing here...sorry it's true...is an adherence to facts. All of them.
You demand it of the BLM proponents. Great! More people should.
You demand it of Rahm the Liar. Great! More people should.
And Lie-tenant gate. And the pension mess. And clout-hood. All really good.
Keep it up.
But do it in this case too. "The kid wouldn't put down the knife" is not enough. It just isn't.
And I wonder what the narrative would be here if it wasn't JVD. Instead it was some DEA hot dog, or an FBI black shoe that rolled up on the scene and shot the kid. Way different? You bet.
Demanding fairness is one thing. Blind allegiance is another.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Was the crazy running up and down the street treating everyone with the knife he had in his possession? Did the police keep asking him to drop it and did not comply? Did he continue with his treating manner after being ordered to drop the weapon? Where does it say in the use of deadly force how many shots you are aloud to use to stop an aggressor? He fucken walks..........
6/29/2017 06:25:00 PM
That's all that's needed is to demonstrate just one of the above points and I'm sure at least one or more jurors will not vote to convict. Some good basic points for a defense.......
I can see the body cam saving many coppers in the future, regarding this issue, use the tools they give you to your advantage.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Was the crazy running up and down the street treating everyone with the knife he had in his possession? Did the police keep asking him to drop it and did not comply? Did he continue with his treating manner after being ordered to drop the weapon? Where does it say in the use of deadly force how many shots you are aloud to use to stop an aggressor? He fucken walks..........
6/29/2017 06:25:00 PM
10-4 on all of the points and another point, he felt other officers were in eminent danger from this fuck with a knife.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
A couple of corrections...
Van Dyke was not in custody during questioning. Miranda is not required and any statements he made are admissible.
The detective questioning him does not outrank him and cannot order him to make a statement. No duress there.
Duress happens when a supervisor orders him to make a statement. Those statements are protected under Garrety. The judge ruled correctly.
6/30/2017 01:32:00 AM
Actually a few corrections to your corrections.
Did the officer reasonably feel he could walk away from the situation and refuse to answer questions? If not, Van Dyke was at the minimum detained. Does he have General Orders which require him to participate and assist in the investigation? Could he decline to participate in the Detective's queries? If he complies with those policies all testimony is coerced because by not cooperating, he is violating department policy. A custodial interrogation (or, generally, custodial situation) is a situation in which the suspect's freedom of movement is restrained, even if he is not under arrest. Again I ask, could the officer say, yo I am out of here peace. Van Dyke was not free to leave, he was obliged by policy to remain on the scene and cooperate. If Garrity is not applicable, then shouldn't Miranda Rights apply because he was not free to leave or refuse questioning. I hold that by virtue of being required to stay on the clock, he was in fact compelled to cooperate via policy and the fact that he was compensated for his time.
Did they take the officer's firearm for processing? Of course they did. Why? To gather what, evidence. A whole lot of questions here and even though Detectives cannot order, there is no doubt that the arm of authority of the department is intrinsically involved in whether or not one feels COMPELLED to answer their questions lest they face the wrath of the administrative investigation.
Another question is a citizen placed in the same position sans being the police are they free to leave? Is the officer on the clock while he is making his statements? Is he being reimbursed for his time? In other words, he is working and being paid by the department to participate in the investigation. The officer is therefore obliged to cooperate with the investigation through department policy regardless of whether they are given a direct order. Additionally, if all police shootings are being reviewed by both the department criminally, the state and the feds, is it not appropriate that at the instance it is possible that the officer is a suspect in wrong doing? I don't think your thinking is quite as correct as you assume counselor.
If he is found NOT GUILTY...and I hope that he is...I'm sure that they will TRY to get Federal Civil Rights violations and Sessions will tell them to FUCK OFF !!!
Decades ago, Laquan would have been content to
score some airplane glue at the hobby shop, squeeze
some into a paper bag, then huff it in an alley or woods.
Only harming himself. Today, him and his boys are jacked
on PCP and carrying knives. And no, CBS, not pocket knives.
A danger to police, pedestrians, and the general public.
A true criminal regardless of his age. Mad dog had to be put
down. Police officers are punished for lack of parenting at
home, and a wild-ass teenager gangster with a testosterone
count higher than his I.Q.
Shit case. Powder keg waiting to blow up. I hope everyone has their helmets shined up and their riot gear ready.
The problem with this video and this situation that many people aren't grasping is the totality of circumstances in regards to the use of force involved here. People who say he had a knife, which is a deadly weapon capable of great bodily harm or death and he refused to drop said weapon so JVD drew his sevice weapon and fired until the target was eliminated. That perspective would seem justifiable but it's an extremely narrow viewpoint when you look at the entirety of the situation. The event is not cookie cutter one dimensional. That use of force may have been justified had McDonald already used that knife against a member or other victim and was refusing a lawful order by police to drop the knife. But that didn't happen. McDonald hadn't used that knife YET. That believe it or not makes a paramount of difference in that particular situation. Also JVD has to be able or prove that his life or someone else's was in IMMEDIATE danger. Key word here is immediate. That wasn't the case. JVD decided on his own to close the distance and engage the target with lethal force when there already was a handful of officers present onscene who weren't in immediate danger by simply keeping distance, time, and shielding to a point all waiting for a taser. The area was cleared of any possible civilian traffic. Thus in a way it was sort of contained. This makes all the difference in proving your need to use lethal force because of the immediacy involved. Believe it or not had JVD showed some patience and waited for an immediate threat to present itself he would have been much better off. But he didn't. He jumped the gun and lost his shit and tunnel visioned and kept firing his weapon past the take down point. Some of you guys need to stop trying to make excuse and start taking more training with these type of scenarios and tactics.
By that same token, nowhere on Gods green earth was this murder. There is no premeditation or malicious intent. It's simply some guy who fucked up while in the legal commission of his office. Anita was fucked up for approving that charge. She should be ashamed of herself for going along with that garbage. But she's not the only one who had a higher ethical and moral duty to the citizens of Chicago who caved in to political pressure. And now JVD will be used as a sacrficIal lamb for their distorted political cause. I hope the judge knows better. And I hope you CPD officers brace yourself for the shitstorm that's coming. You guys ain't seen nothing yet.
Stay safe fellas.
A couple of corrections...
Van Dyke was not in custody during questioning. Miranda is not required and any statements he made are admissible.
The detective questioning him does not outrank him and cannot order him to make a statement. No duress there.
Duress happens when a supervisor orders him to make a statement. Those statements are protected under Garrety. The judge ruled correctly.
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Precisely!
OT: Arena Watch
Time to boycott Allied Plumbing and Heating Supply, 6900 W. Irving Park RD.
One of their employees, Mike Gilbert is ranting on Arena's Facebook page about CPD and CFD personnel being the worst offenders when it comes to illegal fireworks.
While we agree that fireworks are dangerous and out of control here in Ciudad Sanctuario, it's a lot more then city workers using them.
The scuzzier parts of 016 and 017, many of which are in the 45th Ward, are loaded with Cobras, Familia Stones, Kings, etc....who blow this shit off with a vengeance. Look at your neighbors.
Typical cop hating Arena lover.
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Allied plumbing has gone out of their way to extend courtesy to Officers who shop in their store and that includes Mike. Work in 016 and you will quickly discover it isn't all gang bangers blowing off fireworks. A public rant doesn't mean anything more than your own rant and call for boycott. I'll still support a local store that takes care of me. As to who someone supports politically I could give a shit, we all have one vote, and most don't even use it despite the constant complaining
This was a heater case I would believe that Roy wrote the supplementary report and had the Detective sign it.Remember, this was an election year.
Van Dyke will walk because Alverez overcharged him. The ones that filed the false reports, and there are going to be more named that were on site as well as some who saw the video and signed off on the false reports will cut deals. There's going to be some jobs lost, some demotions however, prison time is a long shot.
A couple of corrections...
Van Dyke was not in custody during questioning. Miranda is not required and any statements he made are admissible.
The detective questioning him does not outrank him and cannot order him to make a statement. No duress there.
Duress happens when a supervisor orders him to make a statement. Those statements are protected under Garrety. The judge ruled correctly.
6/30/2017 01:32:00 AM
Perhaps a few corrections to your corrections
#1 Van Dyke was not in custody.
He was involved in Department investigations was not allowed to leave the police facility unless released from duty by higher ranking personel.
#2 The Detective does not outrank him
In this case he does as the detective is working under chain of command.
#3 Duress occurs when ordered to make a statement.
The duress is quite implicit. Anyone that has more than a few minutes on the job knows, or should know, the disciplinary and investigation process and it authority.
Detective is a tested Rank
Detectives makes more money than a Beat Officer
Detectives has a different star and different star number
Detectives do not wear the uniform. Detective is dressed in plain clothes
Detectives receive the Detective Retirement Star when they Retire
Detectives are under the Chief of Detectives. Not under the Chief of Patrol
Police Officers must report to the District. Detectives report to North-Central-South locations
Detectives write a different type of Report
Detectives answer to a Detective Sergeant. Not to the Zone Sergeant
Many differences between a Beat Officer and a Detective
Just Stop and Think about the Differences
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