Ed, Hush Now
- Chicago police Superintendent Eddie Johnson called on state lawmakers to approve legislation to more aggressively regulate gun dealers in Illinois, pointing to a newly released trove of data that shows many guns recovered by police in connection with crimes can be traced back to licensed gun stores in the Chicago area.
The call for legislative action came as Johnson and other advocates for stricter gun rules convened Sunday at police headquarters to highlight findings of a new report tracing so-called “crime guns” — firearms found at a shooting scene, in the possession of gang members or otherwise being used illegally — to their original point of sale.
Neither the Tribune, nor the ABC report, list the number of guns that are stolen - just that 60% come from "out-of-state," meaning that any Illinois law will be ineffective. In fact, the the Admin Fax Message board is filled with Stolen Weapon notices - non-LEO stolen guns - along with yet another stolen FBI weapon last week. The feds (FBI, ATF, other agencies) probably account for one-percent of the stolen guns circulating in Chicago, they lose that many. Hell, how many guns disappeared from that Englewood rail yard? And how many times?
The list of gun shops that end up having sold "crime guns" is amusing:
The list of gun shops that end up having sold "crime guns" is amusing:
- The report says Chuck's Gun Shop in Riverdale, Ill. and Midwest Sporting Goods in Lyons, Ill. are the top two source dealers of traced crime guns in Chicago. The remaining stores in the top ten are: Westforth Sports in Gary, Indiana, Cabela's in Hammond, Indiana, Shore Galleries in Lincolnwood, Illinois, GAT Guns in East Dundee, Illinois, Suburban Sporting Goods in Melrose Park, Illinois, Pelcher's Shooter Supply in Lansing, Illinois, Blythe's Sport Shop in Griffith, Indiana, and Sporting Arms and Supply in Posen, Illinois.
We don't think a single one of these shops has faced so much as a review of their Federal paperwork, even during the Sparklefarts administration. What does that tell you? They're following the law, period.
Shore Galleries is one of the places that most departments in northeastern Illinois recommend to their officers to buy duty weapons. We've bought at a few of those places, and we're certain they move many tens-of-thousands of guns a year. How about instead of listing how many "crime guns" are recovered in Chicago from these "point of origin" stores, the media prints how many guns total AREN'T recovered anywhere near a crime scene? That would flip the entire narrative on its head - less than 10%? Less than 5%?
How many guns from GAT Guns end up recovered in Chicago as a ratio to how many they sold? Less than 1%? While we'd love to see it as close to zero percent as possible, the fact is that if 99% or even 95% of guns aren't being used criminally, it looks to us like the system is working and may need some small tweaks.
Shore Galleries is one of the places that most departments in northeastern Illinois recommend to their officers to buy duty weapons. We've bought at a few of those places, and we're certain they move many tens-of-thousands of guns a year. How about instead of listing how many "crime guns" are recovered in Chicago from these "point of origin" stores, the media prints how many guns total AREN'T recovered anywhere near a crime scene? That would flip the entire narrative on its head - less than 10%? Less than 5%?
How many guns from GAT Guns end up recovered in Chicago as a ratio to how many they sold? Less than 1%? While we'd love to see it as close to zero percent as possible, the fact is that if 99% or even 95% of guns aren't being used criminally, it looks to us like the system is working and may need some small tweaks.
Labels: gun issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
80 Comments:
These gun shops are only now a problem as of 2017--- it is not a coincidence that Trump is president. yeah right... hey kidney bean-- didn't the doctor tell you no heavy lifting following surgery-- lifting all that democratic water is going to rupture your wound. I give you a D for effort. All this gun violence is a reflection of your poor leadership as the supe.
When those at the top fail, they look for excuses. They never look at themselves or their failed policies. They will blame things like not enough gun control. It is a very easy target for them to blame and to try to make themselves not responsible. They call for more gun control to make it look like they are doing something. Every administration that is failing will call for more gun control. More gun control is the disease.
All Chicago guns come from somewhere else.
So Chicago issues a report on gun stores it does not have.
More BS all the gun stores follow the law. It's a lot easier to blame the gun. There are huge social issues at foot that have a community trying to kill itself.
After I leave they can do what ever they want in this state.
"How many guns from GAT Guns end up recovered in Chicago as a ratio to how many they sold? Less than 1%? While we'd love to see it as close to zero percent as possible, the fact is that if 99% or even 95% of guns aren't being used criminally, it looks to us like the system is working and may need some small tweaks."
We like how you think, SCC...
We suggest that the gun stores targeted by this hit piece
put out the number of guns sold and the newsies or CPD
can put out the number of those guns traced back to those
gun stores actually recovered so that "We The People"
can crunch the numbers and come up with the actual
percentages instead of the bullshit statistical
misstatements of "XYZ% of guns recovered at Chicago
shooting scenes were traced back to ABC Gun Store."
Intentionally slippery premise to prop up
a false argumentation to support a bad
data set to further a bullshit narration?
Enacting "more and better laws" only punishes
lawful gun owners and does dick-all to address
the violent, death-loving culture that has destroyed
swaths of the South and West sides.
Meanwhile?
the BEE-AY-DEE M/Fers who drive Chicago's
gun-related crime, swagger with the impunity
City Hall, the court system, "The Community"
and the media have given them.
...Not a Police problem from where we stand.
Conservative estimates say there are 300 million guns in the US. That is about how many have been sold since 1970.
Considering that guns don't wear out, and we have working guns that are over a hundred years old, it is more likely there are about 500-600 million guns out there.
How many guns are used in crimes?
99% of guns are never used in crimes.
The system is an inconvenience to most law-abiding citizens, an infringement on the rights of some law-abiding who get misidentified. But it isn't even a speed bump to a criminal.
They don't give a shit, never gave a shit, and won't ever give a shit about the Law. It's just not an impediment. The only thing that is, is locking them up for long periods of time - and keeping the there.
Dollars to donuts that the criminals didn't go into the gun shop to fill out a 4473, pass a background check, come back in a few days, and pick up their firearm... Some asshole straw purchaser did it for them. Then marked it up, and sold it to the prohibited person because the penalties for that are stiff on paper, but limp dicked when it comes to Foxx filing charges.
Look at the woman from Indiana who bought 52 firearms, brought them across the state line, and resold them to the 'bangers in Chiraq. Most charges dropped, one was a misdemeanor, she got 6 months probation with "time served" credit, and did nothing.... That's no message, it's free pizza from Dart. That woman ought to have been in prison for 1000 years - that'd send a message, not 6 months w/ "time served".
Leave the legal dealers out of it - focus on the crimina.... oh never mind, this is Chiraq, and Crook County...what was I thinking?
List is amusing? I amuse you? I mean like a clown?
I make you laugh? It's Straw Man sales. My cuzzin
goz to dem storz. He be clean. He scorzs ev-ree
tiiiim. He kooool.
https://qz.com/1086403/fbi-crime-statistics-us-murders-were-up-in-2016-and-chicago-had-a-lot-to-do-with-it/
I dunno... maybe if we tried to punish the offenders... wait... nevermind
It's the same old tired b.s.from a slightly different angle. One need only look to western Europe to see the ineffectiveness of gun bans.
Yeah, Edward, it's the tools..........not the users of the tools........
......why, it was my hammer that hit my thumb.....not me being clumsy......
Again blaming everything but the people responsible for the violence. How about charging straw buyers with felonies and charging them with felony murder when one of their sold guns is used in a murder. Enough of this Democratic shell game. Democrats are responsible for murders than any other group in existence.
The guy at Gats asked me three time "are you sure your going to use this on duty"? after I had showed him all my ID. A 4'th time I would have told him to piss off.
How much more can a gun shop do other then obey the Law? The grabbers have been trying to sneak thru legislation that would close all these "non-Cabela's" type gun shops. Rock River Arms and Springfield arms negotiated an exemption for themselves, which would have screwed IL. gun owners, but the bill hasn't passed yet. Fat Head Ed is shilling for it.
Don't kid yourself and don't buy their bullshit. The left wants to ban and confiscate ALL guns long and short alike. Just listen to the amount of times they reference their gun free utopia Australia. Not in my lifetime. "From my cold, dead hands"
A few more gun laws will solve the problem. The brain trust of Illinois and Chicago might as well join in the circle jerk at Darts jail instead of doing it behind the closed doors at city hall. What a joke Chicago and Illinois has become, keep electing the same people and nothing will change-- nothing.
Retire special ed it getting old and are you still going to school I don't think so
Because guns kill people, right?
Might as well ban cars because in a DUI, cars kill people.
This is what happens when a certain part of society does not take responsibility for its actions.
Shores remodeled and has a range now. Looking good!
Once again more gun laws? How about just enforcing the ones they have? I love the billboard about the straw purchase and get ten years! What was the sentence to the female that did the purchase, probation? There's the problem in good old crook county, no consequence to their actions! Until we have courts and penal system that hold them responsible let the thinning of the herd continue!
How about holding those buyers (straw) who seem to be supplying these guns liable too?
Dear SCC. Last November, over 10 ATF agents showed up unannounced to Chucks gun shop and hung out for about 3 weeks. No significant violations. There were some discussions about how atf wants the 4473's filled out, as Derrenger should be listed as Pistols under type.
For the last couple of weeks they hve been trying to use Las Vegas as a way to jump start their failing movement. But now since they seem to have violated the TeHiart amendment and handed this info out to a university, it looks like its all subject to FOIA
https://www.dailyherald.com/amp-article/20170414/news/170419171/
The link above tells us what happened to a woman found guilty of illegally selling two guns earlier this year. 12 months probation.
Maybe they should think about actually punishing people who commit crime instead of creating more bullshit laws. Fucking idiots.
Like anyone in Springfield would believe anything the Ed the tool would say about crime fighting. He is a long way from an expert witness. Guns are not problem, I live in small Indiana town where everyone owns at least 1 gun, and guess what no shooting at all accidental or not. It's not the gun it is the person pulling trigger. Control them and problems solved, until you get the community values under control you will have the same problems. They need to see that bad decisions have very bad consequences.
A simple geography lesson would have come to the same conclusion but no "connected" people would have got paid to tell ya the closest gun stores to Chicongo end up with the most "crime guns" , and what the hell is a crime gun anyway ? Do they grow legs and arms and walk around and fire themselves ? Still takes a person who is in possession of a fire arm illegally to then use it in an illegal fashion , doesn't that make the person using the firearm responsible for what happens when they use it ? And if everything they are doing and have done is illegal then explain to me what new magic law with out any enforcement is going to "fix" this issue ?
Oh and Fat Bobble Head Kidney Bean .......Don't think anybody is going to a "gun show" in Indiana and buying a "bushel bag" of guns to bring back to your City to commit crimes , yep your following the party line but the "numbers" you love show much that's a big head bald face lie
The small tweaks should include locking up offenders and keeping them in prison.
None of this is rocket science. Use a gun or other lethal weapon in crime, automatic 15 years with on time off and no concurrent sentencing. It is not a gun problem is it is a people problem. Get the multiple offenders and gang members off streets for a long time. The simple fact is your not going to rehabilitate them so treat them accordingly.
So...Um...The guns are acquired legally and then somehow transferred into the hands of some shithead? Imagine that. That list is pretty much every gun shop in Cook County and Lake in NW Indiana. Those dealers rarely make an appearance at the guns shows, also invalidating that myth.
Where's the rest of that report? You, know, the one that shows us how many of the criminals with those "crime guns" were prosecuted by Kimmy Foxx? How much time did the Dim-ocrat judges give them? How much of their sentence did they actually serve?
Otherwise it's less than half the story.
How about the confiscated and suppose to be destroyed Guns. Were they counted
I believe they are barking up the wrong tree. The Gun dealers are not the main problem. It is the purchasers that are the problem. Commonly referred to as "straw purchases". I believe if they look at those guns more closely, they will find a number of weapons purchased by just several individuals, who in turn, sell them to the gangs, or whomever. I believe that these persons should be charged just a the offender, who shoots someone. FYI
The Chief's mouth works just fine, too bad it's not connected to any vital organs. The liberal democrat ruling the serfs of the city doesn't count as a vital organ.
J.J.
Why is it a surprise that the gun shops closest to the city’s murder problem should be the most likely to have sold a gun used in a crime? What would be a surprise is that someone would go through all the trouble to legally buy a gun and then use it in a crime.
The laws already on the books are not enforced by Cook County judges and prosecutors. If someone legally buys a gun and gives/sells it to someone who can't own or possess a gun, then they committed a crime but that does not fit the democratic agenda so they blame it on the lawful gun stores. If someone is charged, there is no punishment.
The demorats end game is total civilian disarmament. No matter what they say, or propose, that is what they truly want. They keep trying to bullshit naive citizens into thinking " a few tweaks to the gun laws" are all they ask when the laws on the books are not enforced as they could be. No matter what lies they spout, the fact remains the 2nd amendment is there to stop ambitious would be tyrants like the commie bastards the demorats have evolved into. anyone supporting them are either naive, or traitors. nothing more, nothing less.
If liberal democrats, (or their minions) don't put their slant on facts and figures, it makes them look bad. Their top priority is to protect criminals and illegal aliens. Tax paying, law abiding citizens apparently can think for themselves, (most of the time) and won't buy their liberal BS.
J.J.
We have lots of laws on the books. Its funny how special Ed did not mention the fact that the states attorney does not use these laws to prosecute the bad guys. CPD and the burbs do an excellent job of catching these guys, but the politicians reward them and they do not go to jail.
If you want to see Children safe on the streets, Rham, Dart, Prekwinkle, have got to go.
Also, if the gun stores do have a straw buyer, and they challenge him, guess what, The feds come along and threaten the dealer with a discrimination charge for violating the civil rights of gang members!
Everyone of those gun shops are legitimate, lawful, and hardworking people trying to make a living like the masses. The problem isn't guns or gun shops, it is mental illness. Just look at the inmates jacking their Johnson at the PD's in the holding cells. How can you deal with these brain damaged, immoral, subhuman POS who value nothing or no one? If you check the history of these inmates you will find they were the product of broken homes, drug/alcohol abuse, no structure in their life, and godless animals!
Correct and exactly my feeling on this......
The system is an inconvenience to most law-abiding citizens, an infringement on the rights of some law-abiding who get misidentified. But it isn't even a speed bump to a criminal.
They don't give a shit, never gave a shit, and won't ever give a shit about the Law. It's just not an impediment. The only thing that is, is locking them up for long periods of time - and keeping the there.
Dollars to donuts that the criminals didn't go into the gun shop to fill out a 4473, pass a background check, come back in a few days, and pick up their firearm... Some asshole straw purchaser did it for them. Then marked it up, and sold it to the prohibited person because the penalties for that are stiff on paper, but limp dicked when it comes to Foxx filing charges.
Look at the woman from Indiana who bought 52 firearms, brought them across the state line, and resold them to the 'bangers in Chiraq. Most charges dropped, one was a misdemeanor, she got 6 months probation with "time served" credit, and did nothing.... That's no message, it's free pizza from Dart. That woman ought to have been in prison for 1000 years - that'd send a message, not 6 months w/ "time served".
Leave the legal dealers out of it - focus on the crimina.... oh never mind, this is Chiraq, and Crook County...what was I thinking?
The criminals and bad guys will do illegal shit regardless. Theft is a crime, but clothes have anti-theft devices on them, the clothes still get stolen. Cell phones have tracking devices, the stores in the hood are not supposed to sell stolen phones but they do, guns are required for the drug dealers and they do not give a fuck how they obtain these weapons. I am shocked that by now, cops are not allowed to stop random vehicles and search them. Yes that is fucking dangerous but the correct information should give the citizens a choice. You want the crime reduced, then allow us to stop cars and search them. Then the offenders punished for real. Day for day imprisonment, zero parole. Fuck you, good bye.
OT Chuck Goidie , Pam Zekman ,John Kass ,Carol Marin
Why are Rahm body guards not required to wear body cameras ?
What about the superintendent. His driver , area deputy chiefs , ADS and drivers
What are they hiding
Do they ever respond to calls. Stop to assist or check on police officers conducting traffic or street stops
If not , why not ?
Did any investigative reporter foia the GPS ,telephone records of the 006 tactical Lt. Now commander that made over $150,000 in overtime
Who approved it , a jr. Investigator would know that a theft ,ghost patrolling occurred .
The problem seems to be that the State of Illinois and the Federals have not found an effective method of identifying and prosecuting straw purchasers.
Because guns kill people, right?
Might as well ban cars because in a DUI, cars kill people.
This is what happens when a certain part of society does not take responsibility for its actions.
Bazinga!!!
Blame the gun stores, not the idiots using them or stealing them. If that doesn't work add a new gun law that ASA won't approve and judges won't convict or hand out stiff sentences.
Can't even balance a budget between all these politicians, not a chance they could form comprehensive gun laws.
Is his brain being controlled by Rahm?
"Operation Exile" for all the straw buyers. When all the baby mommas realized that they will be separated from the real money makers (their kids) they just might start telling the sperm donors NO.
So if they can trace the firearm back to the store then they obviously know who purchased the firearm FROM the store. How did the firearm get to the scene of a crime? How many straw purchasers have been charged with Federal gun offenses? How many were convicted? What was their sentence? These stores are following the law, the straw purchasers are almost never charged with giving the firearms to the gang members, and the extremely rare conviction for a straw purchaser results in a slap on the hand. All smoke and mirrors.
Who shot the person at Lawreys, right on the magnificent mile. Wa s it someone who looks like me, no, was it someone who’s on public aid wants mo, probably, wake up yuppies they’re coming after you next.
If they like statistics so much how about a statistic on who’s doing the shooting, who’s committing the robberies, who’s neighborhood was once nice but now crap.
PERFECT! Just what we need is a suburban gun stores bands on city of Chicago purchases again!
"Ed, Hush Now..."
Well Fed Ed sounds stupider and stupider
every time he responds to the media bleating about
"Need More Gun Laws."
Did they roll out the famous
"Table O' Guns" this time?
>Laugh Track overdubbed
with Fart-Noise<
Meanwhile in some states in the Union, a person can purchase a firearm from another person with nothing more than a few Benjamins and a handshake. States that can't match the body count of Chicago.
Here's food for thought. There is a company in the Philippines called Armscor (you may have heard of them). They specialize in the manufacture of 1911s. If you can get the proper licenses, you can start a firearm company and outsource the work to them. They'll put your trademark on them and everything.
This has created a huge pool of gunsmiths who can competently manufacture 1911 style hand guns in their home garages, and some do, without serial numbers. These are the true "ghost" guns. Sold all over the world.
Criminalize gun ownership and you can render the populace vulnerable to thugs. Then you need more control to "protect" people. Unfettered access to email, phone calls, homes, etc.
They're shilling for SB1657, next week in Springfield, during veto session. Trying to stampede the herd.
Chuck's Guns had an unprecedented, MASSIVE BATFe compliance examination in November of 2016, just after the election. TEN BATFe agents went through the books for THREE WEEKS. What do we hear about that? Crickets. Guess they passed. With flying colors.
Shore Galleries sucks ass, Ray O'herron's and Gat Guns are the real deal.
More hush hush updates on police Ford Explorer wonder if the 2 coppers on another thread, had a touch of the evil ford C02 poisoning? was this vehicle recalled? The coppers should sue the city,and Ford get a great lawyer!
Federal Investigation into Ford Explorer a Reminder of Progress with Carbon-Monoxide Reduction [UPDATE]
https://blog.caranddriver.com/cat-back-federal-investigation-a-reminder-of-progress-with-carbon-monoxide-reduction/
Excerpt:
Cat Back: Federal Investigation into Ford Explorer a Reminder of Progress with Carbon-Monoxide Reduction [UPDATE]
October 13, 2017 at 1:00 pm by Bengt Halvorson
UPDATE, 10/13/2017: Ford is offering to reprogram the air conditioner, replace the liftgate drain valves, and inspect some of the sealing in these 2011–2017 Ford Explorer models, over concerns about carbon monoxide (CO) levels in the cabin. Beginning later this month, Ford will mail out letters notifying North American owners of this “complimentary service” that will be offered November 1, 2017, through December 31, 2018. Owners may also call 888–260–5575 with questions. Ford points to unsealed holes from third-party equipment installation as the cause of high CO levels in Police Interceptor Utility models. It insists other Explorers from those model years are safe. “Our investigation has not found carbon-monoxide levels that exceed what people are exposed to every day,” said the company in a release. Ford has informed NHTSA of this action, but a spokesperson for the automaker clarified that it isn’t part of any deal to close the agency’s investigation.
How many coppers could of this hurt? how many coppers got CR numbers and investigations due to possible "brain fog?" Hey FOP Kevin Graham heres the money shot!!
The Right Man for the Right Time™ is upright, back in sight and at the podium.
Big fckng deal.
This is part of the obama War on Small Business, overregulate the shopkeeper to the point of collapse.
Ok, close all the gun shops Illinois Restorative Justice Jughead...then what?
What a moron.
Chickenshit as Rahm to demand violent gang thugs remain jail in the first plaice and both bow to PrickWanker and KimmJungFxxx.
Stay Fetal - Forget about Felony UUW, it's a 60% "Denied" with an I-Bond joke.
CPD brass will be serving free pumpkin spice Kool-Aid at Fort Fellatio beginning at 0001 hrs. 31 Oct 17 through Friday. 3 Nov 17 at 1600 hrs.
Guess Wheeze wanted Fat Head Ed out of house for awhile. Kind of a short honeymoon.
problem is not enough guns. Every law abiding citizen should be armed. Even the playing field and you will see a quick change in behavior. No more gun free zones, free range time for legal gun holders. Maybe a bounty on known gang members would be going to far. Maybe?
No no no . Look over here at this....look at the Halloween candy story on the news. Look at the weather how cold it is.
Where's the rest of that report? You, know, the one that shows us how many of the criminals with those "crime guns" were prosecuted by Kimmy Foxx? How much time did the Dim-ocrat judges give them? How much of their sentence did they actually serve?
Otherwise it's less than half the story.
10/30/2017 08:24:00 AM
How many coppers could of this hurt? how many coppers got CR numbers and investigations due to possible "brain fog?" Hey FOP Kevin Graham heres the money shot!!
I think I know one that has "brain fog". That's the number one cause of CR's. Send a letter to the DOJ
Ed you are lying with fleas so u get nothing!
Wasn't it just awhile ago, Eddie was blaming Wisconsin and Indiana for the guns?
You'll never get Feds prosecuting street level gun crime. They look at it as blowing budget on a single offender not as putting the fear of God into the criminal population. They don't see deterrence as having value and the darlings could actually lose a case once in a while. Not real good for your "crime fighting" career.
Rahm: it would violate protocol to leave Rahm.
That could be a diversion, and Rahm would be
left unprotected. You stay with Rahm until the
death. If you are not prepared to die for Rahm,
get off the detail. Guys on detail think their odds
are better vs. actual police work. Ya pays yer
money and ya take yer chances.
Previous post said:
“Anonymous Anonymous said...
Shore Galleries sucks ass, Ray O'herron's and Gat Guns are the real deal.”
********
I almost agree with you completely.
Shore Gallery was okay before the old man died and his kid is a complete jerkoff.
Fat Harvey (RIP) was a good guy,,,
Inventory is down to nothing.
As stayed...Shore Galleries sucks ass...
GAT Guns for some reason is simply a shithole with plenty of shithead customers.
Snowflakes buying off brand junk his and her .380 autos in different his/her colors...
Prices are ridiculous and there’s no special police price other than a slight discount on overpriced ammunition.
And what’s with that ridiculous building? Was that a restaurant at one time or??
I’ll stick with O’Herrons, thank you.
It is a police supply business.
Everything is in stock, prices are right, building is new, clean and well organized.
Very professional, in MHO.
Stay safe, CPD.
You are appreciated by those that matter!
Retired, 30+
Make all the laws you want. No judge will enforce them or scente offenders properly.
Sugar still takes more lives than guns in Cook County, Bloomberg told me so!
Last time I shot at Gats a group of gang banger look-a-likes came into the range with about 1/2 dozen semi-autos in a plastic grocery bag. They started shooting and when they were done they would carry the gun back to where the plastic chairs are and sit down waving them around.
Gats only has video to monitor the range and they dont do it very well. For duty guns they give us no discount. About the only good thing I can say about them is they are outside of Cook County even tho they probably upp their ammo prices accordingly. They sure as shit charge premium for their guns.
They aren't terrible but they aint great either. I like Ohearons, does anyone know if they give a break to retired guys?
Its all the gun stores fault. We can not blame the city.
Who shot the person at Lawreys, right on the magnificent mile. Wa s it someone who looks like me, no, was it someone who’s on public aid wants mo, probably, wake up yuppies they’re coming after you next.
10/30/2017 11:43:00 AM
99.9% of the time, you would have been correct. This time, you got it wrong.
There's a link to the actual report at the end of the ABC story. Looking at the actual report (which was quite obviously intended to reach a predetermined conclusion), there were two things that jumped out at me right away:
Page 9: "The vast majority of crime guns were handguns possessed by adults who were not the original purchaser of the firearm, and if arrested, were charged with illegal firearm possession" (emphasis added, the entire sentence is in bold in the original report).
If the person committing the crime wasn't the person who purchased the firearm from the gun dealer, how can they claim that the gun dealers are the problem? Oh...maybe because the gun dealers are diligent enough about straw purchases?
Page 10: "The vast majority (91.6 percent) of Chicago’s crime guns that are successfully traced back to an FFL involve someone who has only one crime gun traced back to their name as the original buyer" (bold added).
So, by their own admission, the vast majority of criminals didn't buy the guns they used at gun shops, and the vast majority of the people who DID buy the guns at gun shops aren't obvious straw purchasers.
So what problem, exactly, are they expecting to solve by adding regulations to gun shops?
I also found this contradiction to be pretty entertaining:
Page 2: "Not surprisingly, it is the very states with the least restrictive gun laws that are the sources of the guns coming into Chicago and being used to commit crimes."
Really, and which of those dastardly, weak gun law states is the number one source of crime guns traced in Chicago?
Page 8: "More than two of every five traceable crime guns recovered in Chicago originate with their first point of sale at an Illinois dealer"
Whoa, what? Illinois is the source of the largest percentage of guns used in Chicago crime? Damn those weak gun law states.
The second highest source of guns, providing just slightly more than half as many as Illinois, is Indiana. It's only coincidence that Indiana is pretty much within walking distance of Chicago...proximity can't possibly have anything to do with it...it's gotta be those weak gun laws that, strangely, don't cause Hoosiers to shoot each other at a rate several times the National Average.
I mean, I realize the Mayor's Office's entire purpose was to blame others for it's own failings in controlling crime, but could they have possibly been any more transparent about it?
Why should anyone care as long as they are keeping the killings mostly in house. Let the herd thinning continue, step back and enjoy the show.
Who will have buns when they ban guns. Only the law breakers. They don't obey any laws now what makes the stupid snowflakes they would obey tougher gun laws. Reality is they are bad people that deserve very harsh penalties up to and including death. In fact the only good gang member is a dead gang member. You'll get when one attacks you or a close family member.
You should see all the old black women buying guns and ammo at the shop in Gary!
All legit sales Ed tell me how the guns all end up getting in the hands of criminals?
Just the other day I saw two guns walking down the middle of the street in broad daylight looking for someone to shoot. I believe they walked all the way in from Indiana on their own. As they swayed through the hood and came upon a couple of hoods, the guns came on target and fired, dropping thier targets. The guns then just calmly walked away with their grips hanging low.
Come on Eddy and Rahm, stop with the gun law bullshit and the talk of guns from other states being the problem. Its the people, not the guns. Additionally, it looks like the national media cares a bit less about all of our violence in the hood.
Can we stop calling our SUP special ed, it is a diservice toall of our special needs kids.
Isn't it odd, that the guns coming from "out of state" aren't being used "out of state?" Don't they have thugs, elsewhere? BTW, Close Ties to Mississippi. So who's bringing the guns in??
More than 4,000 guns were traced to Mississippi, especially in the rural, western part of the state, more than any outside state other than Indiana. During the migration of families from the South in the 1940s and 1970s, Chicago was a top destination, according to James N. Gregory, a history professor at the University of Washington. In 1970 there were more people from Mississippi living in Illinois than in all other Southern states. Family ties may help explain why many guns bought in Mississippi end up in Chicago.
I love my bread and my guns
News media
Ask superintendent , how many full duty 👮🏻 and Police 👮🏻 supervisors are assigned to clerical duties ?
How many caps officers ,administrative sergeants hiding in Gresham .
How did a tactical lieutenant earn $150,000 in overtime ,then get promoted .
Every rookie knows a tactical Lt. Is a part time job .
All under rahm swatch , ghost patrolling,payrolls ?
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