Good Idea, Bad Execution
- Police rushed to the scene of what they thought was an active shooter in West Town on Wednesday morning — only to learn the incident was a drill.
About 8:30 a.m., officers were called to a health center in the 1700 block of West Superior Street because there were reports of an active shooter, said Chicago Police Department spokesman [...]. Multiple calls were made to 911 about the shooter, [...], but once officers arrived they learned the incident was a drill.
The Police Department wasn't consulted about the drill....
We understand the need to drill, but we also know that unless the CPD is told about the drill, then we are going to act as if it is real life.
Labels: safety issues
posted by SCC at 12:33 AM
35 Comments:
Bullshit!
False police report?
An arrest should be made.
OT- Academy shut down today due to threat of shooting up police?
Love those "Chicago values!!!"
One has to wonder what else they left out of their "drill".
Good way to get someone seriously hurt. Who ever did this has shown an abysmal ignorance of all things Police
Good way to get people killed.
Idiots!!!!!!!!
That sh*t was unfuckin' believable
So a false call nobody arrested!
typical mertits
Thank God it was just s drill. It took SWAT Sort car FOREVER to arrive only to nonchalantly getting out of their truck with no urgency and looking confused. I've seen them move quicker walking to their lunch location. ONE sort car arrived.
This tells me a few things if we had a real Active Shooter:
1. A lot of people will die.
2. Seeing SWAT respond time, it will be District personnel that is going to have to eliminate any threat.
3. Chicago is NOT ready.
Make sure you District guys have your rifle with you, extra ammo. You will be the savior in this situation. SWAT, tact teams, gang teams are cool to be a part of but it's always the day to day beat officer that is there and has to react. Stay safe and be alert.
Well, it's not like the 12th District didn't have some inkling...
I love to be drilled.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
After being told not to do the drill by a CAPS Sergeant. When the first cars arrived, they found a lady yelling "Help me" out the second floor window. SWAT even showed up, this could have been so bad. It is one thing to run your drill inside four wall, but now you are yelling out a window to citizens who are just passing by. Can you imagine if an off duty police officer is passing by or concealed carry citizen or just a citizen in general wants to help...We are pulling up on scene and they are trying to help VERY BAD!!! Thank god no one was hurt, the as-hole who ran the drill was issued an ANOV..
Agree this is a good way to get people hurt, but this event should also be an opportunity to review the actual response to a perceived real active shooter event. What was the response time, was the response what Rahm has led to city to believe. How was the coordination b/t officers, who took command, what went wrong with the response.
Again, agree this was a dangerous situation, but there is definitely a lot that can be learned from this, I would think. But hey, I don't get paid to think. :)
WDE!!!
Drive like your Life is on the line,Always Clear Intersections....I know two CPD Officers that were Killed in Accidents.
(OT) looks like "fake news media" station are dismantling:
Layoffs Hit ABC as Rumors About the Network's Future Swirl
https://splinternews.com/layoffs-hit-abc-as-rumors-about-the-networks-future-swi-1819436769
This is really great news guess President Trump was correct how long before the swirling elected here will be taken down federally and prosecuted for violating federal immigration laws?
Then found this on another thread where they were talking about the ISP bus escorts lights and sirens ripping down the expressways to get the anti-police, anti-military thug football players to there games! Why cant they leave earlier, they could get a "taste of Chicago" travel on the cta and see how well some of "their peoples" act!
I checked with some troops in the Chicago area about this. ISP bills the teams just over $100 per trooper for the escorts. And the troops get time and a half to work it. So while it's not totally on the taxpayer, I agree with your other sentiments.
10/12/2017 03:29:00 PM
So they pay about with overtime for sake of argument total of $1,000! So these thugs are escorted disrupting traffic using taxpayer police vehicles to rush them to a stupid game? (This is not to bash our brother and sister troopers just the political structure the corrupt elected). OK now why can't say a doctor who is really needed for an emergency use these services? Think your in the hospital and in the ER and need a doctor, but he/she has to come from far away and you are waiting life or death type of situation wouldn't these services be better used to transport doctors rapidly? I bet the patient would happily pay the "extra up-charge!"
A copper is rushed to the hospital on or off duty needs that doctor this should be a no brainier the doctor should call 911 and immediately has escorts dispatched to get them to the hospital to save a brother or sister in blue! Leo come on I know you have all the medals do you have the "life saving medal?" Any lazy, controlled investigative media want to chime in? Crickets:of course!
May God bless the police everywhere!
This is only the beginning, folks.
Soon, we will see dry run testings of all sorts, just to see how police react to them, how EMT and Fire react.
I can hear the excuses making already - "They just wanted to start a conversation" will of course be the most common.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT- Academy shut down today due to threat of shooting up police?
WTF. Why would they shut down the academy. It's full of experienced street instructors, plus they have security at the front.
Hey tiny dancer, charge them for the police service and then they will consult the next time there's a have a drill.
Again, agree this was a dangerous situation, but there is definitely a lot that can be learned from this, I would think. But hey, I don't get paid to think. :)
WDE!!!
10/13/2017 09:17:00 AM
And the apparent presumption that only the good guys are learning from this is something to ponder....... and I also do not get paid to think......because I am, therefore, I think......
The academy on lockdown with 3 year wonder instructors along with top notch phone call security.. I don’t believe it.
Simply don't "rush" to anything.
Can't imagine what the waiting room looked like upon arrival.
How many walked out without paying their bill.
Oops, never mind....free Medicaid.
The ISP overtime for NFL is for 3 days. Arrival on Friday at Ohare escort to hotel downtown. Saturday escort to/from hotel to Soldier Field practice. Sunday escort from hotel to Soldier Field then stay at game guarding visitor locker room then escort to Ohare after game.
NLL reimburses ISP for salary/vehicle mileage.
Anonymous said...
Thank God it was just s drill. It took SWAT Sort car FOREVER to arrive only to nonchalantly getting out of their truck with no urgency and looking confused. I've seen them move quicker walking to their lunch location. ONE sort car arrived.
This tells me a few things if we had a real Active Shooter:
1. A lot of people will die.
2. Seeing SWAT respond time, it will be District personnel that is going to have to eliminate any threat.
3. Chicago is NOT ready.
Make sure you District guys have your rifle with you, extra ammo. You will be the savior in this situation. SWAT, tact teams, gang teams are cool to be a part of but it's always the day to day beat officer that is there and has to react. Stay safe and be alert.
10/13/2017 07:33:00 AM
Hey Monday Morning Quarterback!
The Zone gave it a disregard, only a drill. I guess you missed that part of training in the Academy: "Listening is a skill". What you don't know is that SWAT was in full response force at Homan Square deploying to the scene and would have been there in a matter of a few minutes and would have taken care of business.
We are our own worst enemy, and yes your right that it will be the men and women of patrol that will probably encounter the threat first. So I hope you are squared away and rise up to the challenge when the time comes. Yes, it will be unfortunate that some of our own will get hurt and even killed. But most likely their injuries will come at the hands of fratricide (blue on blue). So I hope you have been training for this scenario, oh wait your not on SWAT and the department has never put on active shooter training for the Districts. Maybe you've sought outside training in this realm, oh wait your not going to spend your hard earned cash to better yourself. You're relying on the department to show you a streamline video on this. So if you want to throw more stones stop by the SWAT office and we will be more than happy to discuss with you, oh wait you can't walk up a few stairs without losing your breathe!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The ISP overtime for NFL is for 3 days. Arrival on Friday at Ohare escort to hotel downtown. Saturday escort to/from hotel to Soldier Field practice. Sunday escort from hotel to Soldier Field then stay at game guarding visitor locker room then escort to Ohare after game.
NLL reimburses ISP for salary/vehicle mileage.
10/13/2017 08:00:00 PM
That's great how many executives that are pro-police would like that security? Could you imagine the costs of hiring private bodyguards? Reimbursement ok gee do we have that many spare troopers with all the shootings on expressway the political bosses order them to play valets for big tough football thugs? That's ludicrous and wrong!! Let's open this service up for anyone that wants "special privileges" that would be fair correct? How about offering these services to women who walk alone? No excuses for this nonsense!
Thank God it was just s drill. It took SWAT Sort car FOREVER to arrive only to nonchalantly getting out of their truck with no urgency and looking confused. I've seen them move quicker walking to their lunch location. ONE sort car arrived.
This tells me a few things if we had a real Active Shooter:
1. A lot of people will die.
2. Seeing SWAT respond time, it will be District personnel that is going to have to eliminate any threat.
3. Chicago is NOT ready.
Make sure you District guys have your rifle with you, extra ammo. You will be the savior in this situation. SWAT, tact teams, gang teams are cool to be a part of but it's always the day to day beat officer that is there and has to react. Stay safe and be alert.
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Great advice. The reason why SWAT looked confused is because we don't know what we are doing. Well at least half the team has no clue. Blame the Kool Aid drinking managers who are worried about their merit promotions. Carter is clueless about swat. I'm not sure he knows what it stands for. You have the C/O of swat who has an IV attached with Kool Aid. OT Johnny prefers to buy it by the gallons and sips it as he's filling out his yellow slips. Do not expect any real support from swat. We are more like a special events units. Truth.
Hey Monday Morning Quarterback!
The Zone gave it a disregard, only a drill. I guess you missed that part of training in the Academy: "Listening is a skill". What you don't know is that SWAT was in full response force at Homan Square deploying to the scene and would have been there in a matter of a few minutes and would have taken care of business.
We are our own worst enemy, and yes your right that it will be the men and women of patrol that will probably encounter the threat first. So I hope you are squared away and rise up to the challenge when the time comes. Yes, it will be unfortunate that some of our own will get hurt and even killed. But most likely their injuries will come at the hands of fratricide (blue on blue). So I hope you have been training for this scenario, oh wait your not on SWAT and the department has never put on active shooter training for the Districts. Maybe you've sought outside training in this realm, oh wait your not going to spend your hard earned cash to better yourself. You're relying on the department to show you a streamline video on this. So if you want to throw more stones stop by the SWAT office and we will be more than happy to discuss with you, oh wait you can't walk up a few stairs without losing your breathe!
Blue on blue? Didnt Overtime Johnny just shoot Charlie during trainimg? We shoot so many unarmed targets in training that Black Lives Matter is planning a protest. We train? LMAO! Yes you look like you do some intense training on Instagram. Shut up Ass Clown. You must be one of Matt's Merit Boy Toys OR part of the Special Farts training staff.
We suck people. We will probably make it worse not better.
Hey Monday Morning Quarterback!
The Zone gave it a disregard, only a drill. I guess you missed that part of training in the Academy: "Listening is a skill". What you don't know is that SWAT was in full response force at Homan Square deploying to the scene and would have been there in a matter of a few minutes and would have taken care of business.
We are our own worst enemy, and yes your right that it will be the men and women of patrol that will probably encounter the threat first. So I hope you are squared away and rise up to the challenge when the time comes. Yes, it will be unfortunate that some of our own will get hurt and even killed. But most likely their injuries will come at the hands of fratricide (blue on blue). So I hope you have been training for this scenario, oh wait your not on SWAT and the department has never put on active shooter training for the Districts. Maybe you've sought outside training in this realm, oh wait your not going to spend your hard earned cash to better yourself. You're relying on the department to show you a streamline video on this. So if you want to throw more stones stop by the SWAT office and we will be more than happy to discuss with you, oh wait you can't walk up a few stairs without losing your breathe!
So SWAT guys are the only guys in shape in the CPD? Beat guys can’t can’t walk up a flight of stairs without losing yourself.
And you wonder why SWAT has the reputation it has. Fratricide, so only SWAT can get the job done without shooting each other. It amazes me how much you think of yourselves and how little you think of the beat officers
Final note, sometimes we don’t have the option of waiting for you “heroes” to arrive and protects us from ourselves. We do appreciate your arrival where you surround the area and wait for them to surrender or kill people inside while you are wating
FUNNY, MONTERREY SECURITY HAS WHITE TAHOOS EQUIPPED WITH Police LIGHTS SIRENS ANseD ESCORTS Private buses around the city. I was working a job providing SECURITY to a foreign soccer team and needed to pick up people at Oh are thses Vips road with us but others on buses which MONTERREY escorted. WHITE tahoos.almost thought they were ISP.
So SWAT guys are the only guys in shape in the CPD? Beat guys can’t can’t walk up a flight of stairs without losing yourself.
And you wonder why SWAT has the reputation it has. Fratricide, so only SWAT can get the job done without shooting each other. It amazes me how much you think of yourselves and how little you think of the beat officers
Final note, sometimes we don’t have the option of waiting for you “heroes” to arrive and protects us from ourselves. We do appreciate your arrival where you surround the area and wait for them to surrender or kill people inside while you are wating
I apologize for the swat assholes on our team. We are all cops and need each other. Very little training but our team as a whole is pretty bad. Let's put it this way, we are TERRIBLE. The assholes on our team can make believe they are hot shit but deep down inside they know the truth. Sorry for the fucked comments.
We make a decent salary, be careful what your doing so many people hate the police including ferguson who got a huge contract boosts,and an enormous increase in his budget to get more coppers! We also have copa looking to hang some coppers in order to prove their worth that 45% increase in so called investigators! Talked to a copper today who is bragging about all the overtime he made last year, not saying its unfair but it is triple his salary! make sure your OT passes the smell teat! If it smells like s**t don't do it!
There is one problem. Even if us beat men are squared away and meet the challenge, you forgot the other danger we face. We have to return and complete the reports in a house that you guys, SWAT cleared and missed a few guys
I doubt any department training or outside training would be beneficial to help us deal with or train for that situation
Does this sound familiar to you?
Hey Monday Morning Quarterback!
The Zone gave it a disregard, only a drill. I guess you missed that part of training in the Academy: "Listening is a skill". What you don't know is that SWAT was in full response force at Homan Square deploying to the scene and would have been there in a matter of a few minutes and would have taken care of business.
We are our own worst enemy, and yes your right that it will be the men and women of patrol that will probably encounter the threat first. So I hope you are squared away and rise up to the challenge when the time comes. Yes, it will be unfortunate that some of our own will get hurt and even killed. But most likely their injuries will come at the hands of fratricide (blue on blue). So I hope you have been training for this scenario, oh wait your not on SWAT and the department has never put on active shooter training for the Districts. Maybe you've sought outside training in this realm, oh wait your not going to spend your hard earned cash to better yourself. You're relying on the department to show you a streamline video on this. So if you want to throw more stones stop by the SWAT office and we will be more than happy to discuss with you, oh wait you can't walk up a few stairs without losing your breathe!
Blue on blue? Didnt Overtime Johnny just shoot Charlie during trainimg? We shoot so many unarmed targets in training that Black Lives Matter is planning a protest. We train? LMAO! Yes you look like you do some intense training on Instagram. Shut up Ass Clown. You must be one of Matt's Merit Boy Toys OR part of the Special Farts training staff.
We suck people. We will probably make it worse not better.
I blame the leadership concerning our team. TL, JH, CR and ML. Very self absorbed individuals who care zero about the team. Just their careers.
Sad but true about swat. Leadership is subpar. Just like the rest of the Dept. I'm a new guy on the team, but it was not what I expected. We had lots of extra training, but once we got to the rest of the team they are no where near our level. It should be the other way around. At least I have a take home car.
LMAO!! Great nicknames!!
"Overtime Johnny" shot "Shakey Charlie"
AND
"Crazy Red" wants "Cross over Tommy" to be gone and dead.
The Swat drama continues. Who will be #1?
"Crazy Red" don't like "Overtime Johnny" but "Shakey Charlie" has a man crush on "Crossover Tommy".
"Shakey Charlie" is scared of "Crazy Red". Crazy Red" is just "Crazy Red."
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sad but true about swat. Leadership is subpar. Just like the rest of the Dept. I'm a new guy on the team, but it was not what I expected. We had lots of extra training, but once we got to the rest of the team they are no where near our level. It should be the other way around. At least I have a take home car.
That’s great. Now you can get to the scene faster so you can wait around until the guy surrenders or shoots himself
LMAO!! Great nicknames!!
"Overtime Johnny" shot "Shakey Charlie"
AND
"Crazy Red" wants "Cross over Tommy" to be gone and dead.
The Swat drama continues. Who will be #1?
"Crazy Red" don't like "Overtime Johnny" but "Shakey Charlie" has a man crush on "Crossover Tommy".
"Shakey Charlie" is scared of "Crazy Red". Crazy Red" is just "Crazy Red."
Crazy Red has serious problems coming his way.
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