Thursday, January 04, 2018

First Deputy to Retire

Numerous comments stating that Navarro has put in his papers for 15 February.

And the new First Deputy will be....?

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238 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Im sure it will someone who is NOBLE

1/04/2018 12:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why does this matter to anyone??? This fake ass dept has been destroyed for years! What does it matter who steps in next as the deputy whatever??

1/04/2018 12:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Barbara West

1/04/2018 12:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One worm leaving the rotting fish head that is CPD command staff.

1/04/2018 12:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some never wore a blue shirt for over a year beyotch lol.

1/04/2018 12:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don’t blame him if I could go I would to. It’s going to be Chief Melissa Staples promoted.

1/04/2018 12:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That really doesn't have any bearing on my job.

1/04/2018 12:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The way this department is headed it will be a close decision between Barb West, Crystal King-Smith or Cornelia Lott.

1/04/2018 12:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great, oneless azzhole in a white shirt.

1/04/2018 12:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its JAMAL GREEN who Gets a First Deputy White Shirt now , Check Out This Vid , Eddie And the Mayor pressed no Charges and let Jamal go after Jamal Punched A White Shirt , UNFRICKIN BELIEVABLE ,

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-jamal-green-cook-jail-protest-met-0713-20160713-story.html

1/04/2018 12:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not to sound like a dick, but what has this first deputy done for us? Has he stood up for us in any way!!?? He’s in a position to speak up and speak out for us, but instead hasn’t done or said anything to help us. Until they put someone there with a spine that really backs us, i don’t think anyone really knows or cares who the first deputy is.

1/04/2018 12:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Crystal King-Smith, oh please, oh please

1/04/2018 12:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bruce Willis will Make Chicago Great Again
https://youtu.be/HzILu6yyA20

1/04/2018 12:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A little help from detectives or older officers please:
A while ago we stopped a car and the passenger was acting really suspicious. We asked him to exit the car and he refused. We ended up dragging him out and found a gun in the car. Best case scenario for us. Now, i ask this question, what if we found nothing? We drag the driver and passenger out after numerous times asking and they refuse. We search car, find nothing. What could/should we charge them with? As a young officer in busy district where these people are constantly challenging us now and refusing to even give their license, let alone step out of the car, I’d like to have an idea on how to proceed. Thank you for any advice. And I’m not looking for “don’t stop them to begin with.”

1/04/2018 12:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just another gold star leaving with a bloated pension. Move along now. Nothing to see here.

1/04/2018 01:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are a couple of dark horses in this race. Watch for Escamerit to try to make some major power plays behind the scenes. He wants his pony to finish first in case Big Ed gets put out to pasture sometime in the future and can't protect him anymore.

1/04/2018 01:13:00 AM  
Blogger I Fart In Your General Direction said...

Who cares?

At the end of the day none of us grunts are directly effected by the daily goings on of the upper echelon gold star Bossholes.

They have no idea 99% of us even exist, which is a good thing.

The biggest thing we peons need to be concerned with regarding the appointed ranks is the drain on the pension.

And watch for Staples to get the nod to take Navarros place.

1/04/2018 02:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Staples.

1/04/2018 02:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BYE

1/04/2018 03:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hopefully not Bab’s.... she’s as incompetent as the day is long.
Staples?... to appease that voter block?

You know the Hispanic Caucus will demand another Hispanic.

1/04/2018 03:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You heard it here first:
Barney Fife will be the new First. Dep.

1/04/2018 03:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great move & get out of a Dodge fast. I bet he's got another 190G plus job waiting for him elsewhere.

1/04/2018 03:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I forgot he was the 1st Deputy. He didn’t deserve the position anyway. I can of many bosses who is more deserving.

1/04/2018 03:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Al Nagode (sp)

1/04/2018 04:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Escamerit Bank on it....

1/04/2018 04:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

She'll be a female......

1/04/2018 04:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ot -
Has anyone seen that female civilian that oversees the calea stuff?
Word is she's been off of work for an extended period of time.
FMLA or covered on the books? Most think it's the latter.
We know the IG monitors this site, maybe you guys want to look at this one.

1/04/2018 05:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Melissa Staples

1/04/2018 05:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

George Dev is really good.

Easy Money is on Barbara West.

1/04/2018 06:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I nominate B.A Baracus aka MR. T for 1st Deputy!
He will be more effective than any of the "no Experience" actors that 9.5 will pick to fill the spot.

1/04/2018 06:31:00 AM  
Blogger The Keesing Bandit said...

Good guy. Too bad he got caught up in all this nonsense.

1/04/2018 06:40:00 AM  
Blogger Rich Aguilar said...

Tony Riccio if he wants it. A great guy but will he want the aggravation

1/04/2018 06:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Special offer. When you buy one Premium MyPillow and get one free when you use promo code Babs.

1/04/2018 06:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What difference does it make? The only active first deputy that we had was John Townsend like him or not!

1/04/2018 06:47:00 AM  
Blogger Sir Donkey, esq said...

Give M Seiser the spot. He will run it.

1/04/2018 06:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It will be Fred Waller. He is youthful, well educated, charismatic, and has deep knowledge of the challenges facing 21st Century Chicago. He is a consensus builder among Chicago’s disparate communities and unafraid to be decisive when needed. Fred Walker would have a Reaganesque impact on big city policing while enjoying the popularity of Barrack Obama. Fred Waller is a no excuses - all about solutions leader.

Riccio who I worked with in the old Unit 760 would be a logical second choice especially with Chicago’s insane preoccupation with racial balance. He is a smart and personable man who has steadily moved up the ranks with strategic assignments. He also has the advantage of youth.

The dark horse candidate for superintendent upon the retirement of the boss would be Chuck Williams who in addition to his substantial and well documented law enforcement leadership experience he has gained serious crede in the private sector as a security executive and in Streets and Sanitation as a visionary leader. Chuck Williams is also trusted and admired by the Department of Justice.

1/04/2018 06:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My $$$$$ is on the Stapler...even though she just might be indicted...

1/04/2018 07:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good, he was never a police officer. All he did as a patrolman in 009 was get the commander lunch everyday. If i knew thats all it took i would have been an iron chef.

1/04/2018 07:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why? Bec Eddie will concur with the COPA report on R R ?

1/04/2018 07:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought Navarro was the next guy in line to be superintendent. But maybe even he observes that cpd is on thin ice and he doesn't want any part of it.

1/04/2018 07:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

we might need a nation wide search...........

i mean there just is no talent to choose from.......

end sarcasm..........

1/04/2018 07:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One asshole down........100 more to go

1/04/2018 07:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One of the Johnson twins

1/04/2018 07:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bald Kevin is pulling the plug? He won't be missed. 🍻🍕

1/04/2018 07:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get them in before they start draining the swamp...

1/04/2018 07:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get out of the shit show while you can. Enjoy your sanity, health and pension.

1/04/2018 08:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have heard that Maria Pena is going to be the new first. Checks the right boxes and doesn’t make waves or have any ideas of her own.

1/04/2018 08:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rahm chooses this one... Riccio or Stapkes moving up the chain. Don't think cmdr camel has this or pillows barb.

1/04/2018 08:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I said this months ago, he's moving to arizona, he sees the writing on the wall....Plus the main thing is is health is bad....

1/04/2018 08:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He used to be a good guy then he drank the Kool-aid and turned into a total company man.

1/04/2018 08:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WHEEEEEZZZZEEEE will get it.... Take that to the bank....

1/04/2018 08:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A little help from detectives or older officers please:
A while ago we stopped a car and the passenger was acting really suspicious. We asked him to exit the car and he refused. We ended up dragging him out and found a gun in the car. Best case scenario for us. Now, i ask this question, what if we found nothing? We drag the driver and passenger out after numerous times asking and they refuse. We search car, find nothing. What could/should we charge them with? As a young officer in busy district where these people are constantly challenging us now and refusing to even give their license, let alone step out of the car, I’d like to have an idea on how to proceed. Thank you for any advice. And I’m not looking for “don’t stop them to begin with.”

For the traffic offense you used to pull him over in the first place.

1/04/2018 08:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A little help:

Reasonable suspicion, probable cause.....reason why you stopped
Failure to follow a police order (refuse license, get out of veh, etc).. reason why you arrest ( whether you find something or not)

1/04/2018 08:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lowest Clear Up Rate for a Police Dept
Lowest Homicide Clear Up Rate
Negative Clear Up Rate for Property Crimes
Chief MS is a Great Choice for First Deputy

1/04/2018 08:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1st district commander is also retiring in feb....

1/04/2018 08:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Commander Clown shoes, Barb West!

1/04/2018 08:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When is that last time the superintendent and first deputy were of the same race. Not happening Barb.

1/04/2018 08:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

keep your eye on Kevin Ryan, tight with the mayor, he pushing for him.

1/04/2018 08:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A little help from detectives or older officers please:
A while ago we stopped a car and the passenger was acting really suspicious. We asked him to exit the car and he refused. We ended up dragging him out and found a gun in the car. Best case scenario for us. Now, i ask this question, what if we found nothing? We drag the driver and passenger out after numerous times asking and they refuse. We search car, find nothing. What could/should we charge them with? As a young officer in busy district where these people are constantly challenging us now and refusing to even give their license, let alone step out of the car, I’d like to have an idea on how to proceed. Thank you for any advice. And I’m not looking for “don’t stop them to begin with.”

Well first off hire a good lawyer. You just admitted that you dragged a citizen out of his vehicle with no probable cause which is a huge violation of his civil rights. If they do t have a license and your going to long form them so take into the station and arrest that’s one thing but honestly why bother. By the way was that on camera? This guy refusing to get out of his vehicle and you pulling him out anyway?
I think Costco is hiring. Good pay and benefits too. Seriously think about it.

1/04/2018 08:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who gives a shit? It could be a cardboard cutout salvaged from Blockbuster. Gonna be the same old shit for the rank and file. The only ones that give a shit are the ones up for the spot. More pension. Better side gig when they retire. This department has been in the shitter for some time now. Doesn’t matter who’s pulling the strings

1/04/2018 08:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Count on it being an empty suit, who has no real function other than to make large sums of cash to look stupid, not know what to say or do.

1/04/2018 08:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who even knew that he was the first deputy anyway? Can anyone name one thing he did for us? I couldn’t even pick him out of a lineup, that’s how insignificant these upper echelon bosses have become.

1/04/2018 08:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'll bet all the triple merit hacks are chomping at the bit for this spot. My guess is a black female, it is an election year. Two diversity notches on the belt for that move.

1/04/2018 09:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who gets it won't matter because it will be another in a long line of political hacks that toe the Rahm line. A good hardworking cop has no chance at all with type of leadership. They have embraced the Hussein Obama approach of leading from behind and second guessing every move you make. Until the Feds finally come in and take over department nothing will get better only more of the same you have seen the last several years. So once again the call for staying FETAL is the correct call.

1/04/2018 09:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another “Highly Qualified”, but poor test taking non-white male, no doubt.

1/04/2018 09:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is he retiring cause he can or he signed on some TRRs and that’s about go public? Kinda like all the exempts for Laquan McDonald shooting???

1/04/2018 09:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
A little help from detectives or older officers please:
A while ago we stopped a car and the passenger was acting really suspicious. We asked him to exit the car and he refused. We ended up dragging him out and found a gun in the car. Best case scenario for us. Now, i ask this question, what if we found nothing? We drag the driver and passenger out after numerous times asking and they refuse. We search car, find nothing. What could/should we charge them with? As a young officer in busy district where these people are constantly challenging us now and refusing to even give their license, let alone step out of the car, I’d like to have an idea on how to proceed. Thank you for any advice. And I’m not looking for “don’t stop them to begin with.”

1/04/2018 12:56:00 AM

Obstruction

1/04/2018 09:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Walller 1st Dept, Eric Carter to chief of patrol Bank on it !

1/04/2018 09:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cesario

1/04/2018 09:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No par form on file yet. Just checked. I'll believe it when I see it. There is scuttlebut that he and the Supt are NOT in agreement on the Lagreer shooting. Supt wants to go 30 pending and the 1st thinks it's justified.

1/04/2018 09:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
A little help from detectives or older officers please:
A while ago we stopped a car and the passenger was acting really suspicious. We asked him to exit the car and he refused. We ended up dragging him out and found a gun in the car. Best case scenario for us. Now, i ask this question, what if we found nothing? We drag the driver and passenger out after numerous times asking and they refuse. We search car, find nothing. What could/should we charge them with? As a young officer in busy district where these people are constantly challenging us now and refusing to even give their license, let alone step out of the car, I’d like to have an idea on how to proceed. Thank you for any advice. And I’m not looking for “don’t stop them to begin with.”

1/04/2018 12:56:00 AM

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great question. Detective here. But why ask a Det??? You guys are the pros on traffic stops. Don't know the last time I did one. Ask your Sgt.

1/04/2018 09:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT: Proactive Policing: refusal to obey lawful order-complete an ISR on each occupant and an Information Report explaining why the POLICE took action and identify all occupants and their behavior enforce all traffic related codes and criminal code; Reactive Policing due to Department policies that now TRUMP Illinois Compiled Statutes "look the other way-pendejos"!

1/04/2018 09:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Retired on duty said...

Anonymous said...
A little help from detectives or older officers please:
A while ago we stopped a car and the passenger was acting really suspicious. We asked him to exit the car and he refused. We ended up dragging him out and found a gun in the car. Best case scenario for us. Now, i ask this question, what if we found nothing? We drag the driver and passenger out after numerous times asking and they refuse. We search car, find nothing. What could/should we charge them with? As a young officer in busy district where these people are constantly challenging us now and refusing to even give their license, let alone step out of the car, I’d like to have an idea on how to proceed. Thank you for any advice. And I’m not looking for “don’t stop them to begin with.”

1/04/2018 12:56:00 AM.

Don’t stop them to begin with. Hope this helped, stay safe out there Tackleberry.😂😂😂

1/04/2018 09:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Won’t be Staples, as Chief of Detectives her clearance rate is lowest in history.

1/04/2018 09:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who cares? Doesn’t impact the cost of health insurance so I can leave.

1/04/2018 09:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does it really matter? This department is gone. West, Staples, king-Smith, all about politics, not about being qualified.

1/04/2018 09:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
A little help from detectives or older officers please:
A while ago we stopped a car and the passenger was acting really suspicious. We asked him to exit the car and he refused. We ended up dragging him out and found a gun in the car. Best case scenario for us. Now, i ask this question, what if we found nothing? We drag the driver and passenger out after numerous times asking and they refuse. We search car, find nothing. What could/should we charge them with? As a young officer in busy district where these people are constantly challenging us now and refusing to even give their license, let alone step out of the car, I’d like to have an idea on how to proceed. Thank you for any advice. And I’m not looking for “don’t stop them to begin with.”

1/04/2018 12:56:00 AM

Even if this is a true post and not someone just fuckin around, good luck kid. If your in a "busy district" and can't find anyone there to show you how it's done, this dept is in even more trouble than we thought. That's why this has to be fake. No one with a brain goes to an internet blog looking for answers how to do ghetto police work. We are in serious fuckin trouble.

1/04/2018 10:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nope. The inside talk is it'll be Consuela Schlepkiss. Bet on it.

1/04/2018 10:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Detectives at the end of the month, Lts then Sgts before the summer. Captains are not in this years budget.

1/04/2018 10:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A little help from detectives or older officers please:
A while ago we stopped a car and the passenger was acting really suspicious. We asked him to exit the car and he refused. We ended up dragging him out and found a gun in the car. Best case scenario for us. Now, i ask this question, what if we found nothing? We drag the driver and passenger out after numerous times asking and they refuse. We search car, find nothing. What could/should we charge them with? As a young officer in busy district where these people are constantly challenging us now and refusing to even give their license, let alone step out of the car, I’d like to have an idea on how to proceed. Thank you for any advice. And I’m not looking for “don’t stop them to begin with.”

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Dude are you serious?? You drag them out and you don’t know what you’re supposed to do if you found no gun?? You’re asking to get a CR and possibly getting sued! If you’re still going to play the police because your ego can’t handle being challenge then you best know the law and how to write good paper! If you would have found no gun then you can do an ISR explaining your actions or you can charge him with the original reason for the stop (which I hope you’re doing legit stops) and disobeying a lawful order! Four years on the job and even I know not to do stupid shit like this!

1/04/2018 10:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Barb West gets it maybe we’ll be issued pillows.

1/04/2018 10:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
A little help from detectives or older officers please:
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1/04/2018 12:56:00 AM

Who says you are off the hook just because you found something? If you had to do a trr this may be revisited by copa. You better have put more than "suspicious" on your arrest report if you have to put hands on someone.

The hard answer is that you should know your job before you attempt to do it. Do not gamble your future on what someone over the internet tells you you could or couldn't do. Pick up the books and find out for yourself. That being said, the supreme court of the U.S. gives a police officer the authority to order anyone outside of the car based upon officer safety. Look it up and read some case studies that both challenge it and uphold it for further clarification. (Pennsylvania vs. Mimms) (Illinois case: people v. Synnott)

You have to remember, we are in an environment where you can be 100% right and legit and still be wrong just to fit and justify a political agenda. And if you are wrong in the first place, they will hang you. Plus, anything that you can think of to charge him such as obstruction will most likely be dismissed by the fine judges that sit on our benches. And just based on what you related, I would expect that the gun charge will be tossed anyway. You need to know what you can and cant do AND, here is the hard part, be able to take no action when you have no legal right to take any. Walk away and if you are still out there working, get em another day when they give you the legit reasons to do so. Your every step is being recorded, scrutinized, and second guessed by copa. The city will not reward you for working hard and putting yourself out there in order to make a difference. The city wants no gray area. Working in the gray means you are giving them an opportunity to screw you and make themselves seem relevant.

Be careful and stay safe.

1/04/2018 10:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good. Get rid of the dinosaurs.

1/04/2018 10:30:00 AM  
Blogger dda6ga dda6ga said...

"A little help from detectives or older officers please:" above, this is a fishing attempt by a reporter, trying to get a juicy quote on this blog..ignore such requests...

1/04/2018 10:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

A little help from detectives or older officers please:
A while ago we stopped a car and the passenger was acting really suspicious. We asked him to exit the car and he refused. We ended up dragging him out and found a gun in the car. Best case scenario for us. Now, i ask this question, what if we found nothing? We drag the driver and passenger out after numerous times asking and they refuse. We search car, find nothing. What could/should we charge them with? As a young officer in busy district where these people are constantly challenging us now and refusing to even give their license, let alone step out of the car, I’d like to have an idea on how to proceed. Thank you for any advice. And I’m not looking for “don’t stop them to begin with.”

1/04/2018 12:56:00 AM

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Feel for ALL of you out there who are trying to do anything. Sadly, you really did answer your own question but I know that is not what you wanted to hear. I know that there are still some REALLY smart coppers and some good supervisors out there who can give you the best advice you're looking for. It's really a shame that it has come to this. Back in the day these "communities" would applaud you for making a difference and now all they want is you in jail or worse yet, dead. And again I know this isn't what you wanted to hear but no matter which route you take, these fucks want your job and they are not worth your life and/or financial well-being. It's so sad that it has come to this. An "old timer" put it to me best before I retired. He said you busted your balls all those years, got injured, sued and lost so much valuable time with your family, and over there is "officer X" who rolled to his retirement with the "1st/16th" mentality and never saw the sign-in room at 26th street; WHO'S THE FOOL?? How right he was!! GOD bless, STAY SAFE and PLEASE make it home to your family after every tour!!!

1/04/2018 10:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lt k. stoppa of 025 for first deputy he is a rock star

1/04/2018 10:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A little help from detectives or older officers please:
A while ago we stopped a car and the passenger was acting really suspicious. We asked him to exit the car and he refused. We ended up dragging him out and found a gun in the car. Best case scenario for us. Now, i ask this question, what if we found nothing? We drag the driver and passenger out after numerous times asking and they refuse. We search car, find nothing. What could/should we charge them with? As a young officer in busy district where these people are constantly challenging us now and refusing to even give their license, let alone step out of the car, I’d like to have an idea on how to proceed. Thank you for any advice. And I’m not looking for “don’t stop them to begin with.”

You smelled cannabis, that gives you probable cause to get everyone out of the car. When you searched the car you couldnt find the cannabis

1/04/2018 10:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

A little help from detectives or older officers please:
A while ago we stopped a car and the passenger was acting really suspicious. We asked him to exit the car and he refused. We ended up dragging him out and found a gun in the car. Best case scenario for us. Now, i ask this question, what if we found nothing? We drag the driver and passenger out after numerous times asking and they refuse. We search car, find nothing. What could/should we charge them with? As a young officer in busy district where these people are constantly challenging us now and refusing to even give their license, let alone step out of the car, I’d like to have an idea on how to proceed. Thank you for any advice. And I’m not looking for “don’t stop them to begin with.”

1/04/2018 12:56:00 AM
*What was reason for stop?
* suspiciously? How?
* can you document everything and write complete reports?
* can "race card" be played?
* Do you have it on body cam?

Lastly if you have to ask this maybe not stopping them would be better career move think about that!

Now on topic as far as first deputy that is nothing but a puppet position given to minority males thus far in order tomappaese the "community!" Look at navarro, wysinger (quiet al) and the rest all silent shut up and collected huge pension dips! Last hands on first we had was Townsend betting the next will be a black female rahm is running and he wants aesthetics to look favorable to the illegals and non-taxpayers,they are easy to pander to buying the illegal votes!

1/04/2018 10:49:00 AM  
Anonymous "The Best and the Brightest" said...

Penelope "Henny Penny" JONES-TRAHANAS or Karyn MURPHY.

1/04/2018 11:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anthony Riccio, should be Superintendent

1/04/2018 11:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1st Deputy thank you for your service.

1/04/2018 11:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Going to be Eric Carter, orSteve Georgas.

1/04/2018 11:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
A little help from detectives or older officers please:
A while ago we stopped a car and the passenger was acting really suspicious. We asked him to exit the car and he refused. We ended up dragging him out and found a gun in the car. Best case scenario for us. Now, i ask this question, what if we found nothing? We drag the driver and passenger out after numerous times asking and they refuse. We search car, find nothing. What could/should we charge them with? As a young officer in busy district where these people are constantly challenging us now and refusing to even give their license, let alone step out of the car, I’d like to have an idea on how to proceed. Thank you for any advice. And I’m not looking for “don’t stop them to begin with.”
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Obstruction. They were impeding your lawful investigation on a traffic stop where you had probable cause to pull the car over. State law still states that you can remove vehicle occupants for anyway reason and conduct a search for weapons. You would need to be very good at articulating why you searched the vehicle and occupants. You would need to get very descriptive of what exactly that suspicious behavior was that made you as a reasonable officer believe that a crime has been, is or will be commuted. As long as you can articulate well why further investigation was necessary you’re good, and it is a crime for anyone to impede your investigation whether any contraband was discovered or not. As soon as someone starts to resist your lawful orders you place them under arrest for obstruction and continue your investigation. Hope that helps. Don’t stop working hard out there!

1/04/2018 11:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Really who cares. Nothing will change substantially no matter which special person gets that spot. White, Black, Hispanic, gay, straight, it doesn’t matter. They’re all connected and will all take care of themselves and their friends at the expense of the officers and citizens. Concentrate on staying safe both physically and administratively. Do what is required and no more.

And to the young officers that dragged the guy out of the car without knowing if they should. WTF are you doing!? You were lucky things went ok this time but you’d better figure things out before you do them. If you do not know what you can and cannot do you better stop doing anything until you do. COPA will be very happy to tell you what you did wrong after the fact. Getting advice from the blog is not exactly the best way to make use of force decisions. And please make sure to keep us informed about the case and what happens to the arrestee in court.

1/04/2018 11:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If it’s not a Latino then it will be Barb West

1/04/2018 11:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A little help from detectives or older officers please:
A while ago we stopped a car and the passenger was acting really suspicious. We asked him to exit the car and he refused. We ended up dragging him out and found a gun in the car. Best case scenario for us. Now, i ask this question, what if we found nothing? We drag the driver and passenger out after numerous times asking and they refuse. We search car, find nothing. What could/should we charge them with? As a young officer in busy district where these people are constantly challenging us now and refusing to even give their license, let alone step out of the car, I’d like to have an idea on how to proceed. Thank you for any advice. And I’m not looking for “don’t stop them to begin with.”

Nice try by a reporter or activist. Fishing for some gotcha answer. If you're asking for answers to basic police procedure and probable cause on this blog and you are the police then your FTO and your fellow officers have failed miserably. If you are the police you and your partner have "Sue me" written all over you and I'm sorry but the best advice for you is “don’t stop them to begin with.”

1/04/2018 11:32:00 AM  
Anonymous L Donkey said...

Can DC in 009 retire already?Mess with every part of the district and he expects ppl to work for him. Hahahahaha. I expect low turn outs for any of his events.

1/04/2018 11:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The dept needs Staples in the detective div. That mess still needs to be ironed out, Gene Roy, who wasn’t in the chief position long really left the D in shambles.
West- stays where she is.
Ricco to 1st deputy.
Dana Alexander to chief of OCD

On a side note: Kennedy probably is really hoping Ricco doesn’t become the 1st deputy. Lol- back to lieutenant you go Chris.

Safe money on Staples being the next Sup.... Mayor loves her, would be the 1st woman sup, she’s very well spoken, smart enough to delegate jobs to competent people, she has no distractions or baggage in her life.

1/04/2018 11:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sure it will be another do nothing never been the police political hack with less than 50 honorable mentions.
Every gold star worth their salt was the working police even if only for a portion of their career. There are plenty of workers to choose from. Instead we will be given a leader who doesn't know what we do.

1/04/2018 11:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And who will be the 3rd DEPUTY???

wish him well and watch as he drains the patrolman pension!

Time to get rid of all these clouted in the pension system.
Let RAHM set up a merit pension system for all the NOBLES who seem to get triple promoted on a smile and a nice ass.

No pension bumps on merit promotions lets get the ball rolling!

1/04/2018 11:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Thank you for any advice. And I’m not looking for “don’t stop them to begin with.”

Then you're not looking in the right place. You're on the wrong train and its on the wrong track.

1/04/2018 11:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How are contract negotiations going? Has anyone been the grocery store lately?! WTF We better get a huge raise to account for recent inflation and tax increases.

1/04/2018 11:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2nd dept snethen...

1/04/2018 12:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seiser...he runs it, so I've heard

1/04/2018 12:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Heard a good one the O.e.m.c. director wants to be on the notifications list for our dept. She also told several bosses if the mayor is out of town she is in charge of the circus and the city. She is a real tool.

1/04/2018 12:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Steve Georgas is going to make a comeback.

1/04/2018 12:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
A little help from detectives or older officers please:
A while ago we stopped a car and the passenger was acting really suspicious. We asked him to exit the car and he refused. We ended up dragging him out and found a gun in the car. Best case scenario for us. Now, i ask this question, what if we found nothing? We drag the driver and passenger out after numerous times asking and they refuse. We search car, find nothing. What could/should we charge them with? As a young officer in busy district where these people are constantly challenging us now and refusing to even give their license, let alone step out of the car, I’d like to have an idea on how to proceed. Thank you for any advice. And I’m not looking for “don’t stop them to begin with.”

1/04/2018 12:56:00 AM

If, and that's a big if, you are really a newer officer, ask people in person. This is certainly not the forum for it. Also, bone up on your ILCS, IVC & MCC.

1/04/2018 12:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

my money is on harvey weinstein he has been accused of sexual harassment as an exempt he will fit right in.

1/04/2018 12:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

12.56AM, you’re an idiot for asking on here. Go find a senior officer IN YOUR DISTRICT whose you trust and ask them.

1/04/2018 12:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kevin Can’t Wait.
Good for him but he never was a contender, no fault of his own, just a victim of Rahm diversity pandering.

The Right Man for the Right Time™ Special Ed submitted his List of Repeat Merit Hacks but Rahm will do the choosing and the political winds are leaning that the next 1st Dup dude will cover all right bases and be the next Right Woman for the Right Time™ and eventually segue into the Jugghead spot before Feb 2019. Another Chicago first.


“A while ago we stopped a car and the passenger was acting really suspicious.”
(1/04/2018 12:56:00 AM)

Love it.

- When you say “we” did you mean the mouse in your pocket?
- When you say “a while ago” did you mean two hours ago or 1985?
- When you say “drag” did you mean a Ru Paul-style?
- When you say “charge them” did you mean debit or credit?

Thanks for the laugh, sarcasm never goes out of style and is always relevant here.

1/04/2018 12:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

12:56- obstruction

1/04/2018 12:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A little help from detectives or older officers please:
A while ago we stopped a car and the passenger was acting really suspicious. We asked him to exit the car and he refused. We ended up dragging him out and found a gun in the car. Best case scenario for us. Now, i ask this question, what if we found nothing? We drag the driver and passenger out after numerous times asking and they refuse. We search car, find nothing. What could/should we charge them with? As a young officer in busy district where these people are constantly challenging us now and refusing to even give their license, let alone step out of the car, I’d like to have an idea on how to proceed. Thank you for any advice. And I’m not looking for “don’t stop them to begin with.”

1/04/2018 12:56:00 AM

Obstructing

1/04/2018 12:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who cares I couldn't tell you who 3/4 of the command staff is or what they do. They are all meaningless and get no respect from me. It turns my stomach when I hear P.O.'s saying "hey boss" or "hi boss" when these pukes come walking by, get a pair of balls. I have never called any of them "boss" or "sir" the most they get out of me is "how are ya" or "what's going on". Remember earned not given, my ass.

1/04/2018 12:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
A little help from detectives or older officers please:
A while ago we stopped a car and the passenger was acting really suspicious. We asked him to exit the car and he refused. We ended up dragging him out and found a gun in the car. Best case scenario for us. Now, i ask this question, what if we found nothing? We drag the driver and passenger out after numerous times asking and they refuse. We search car, find nothing. What could/should we charge them with? As a young officer in busy district where these people are constantly challenging us now and refusing to even give their license, let alone step out of the car, I’d like to have an idea on how to proceed. Thank you for any advice. And I’m not looking for “don’t stop them to begin with.”

1/04/2018 12:56:00 AM

******************************************************************

It’s a good question office but this isn’t the place to discuss it.. I assume you don’t want to ask the more experienced officers so if you want to figure out how it’s been done in the past, look at previous arrest reports in CLEAR. Those situations are not to uncommon. At least some of your questions will be answered.

1/04/2018 12:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Navarro is a pud.

1/04/2018 01:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For those that think it has no bearing on your job you’re wrong. Get some time in, you’ll see..

1/04/2018 01:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kevin N was a good guy, politically connected, though.....might be leaving for big big bucks job....isn't that what's it all about?.....hooray for me, and f@@k you

1/04/2018 01:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This makes me smile as I remember the famous "if you're the first deputy, I'm the second deputy" incident memorialized by Mike Royko. D. S. you were the best.

1/04/2018 01:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Camel Queen-Smiff

1/04/2018 01:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Waller for sure

1/04/2018 01:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Escamerit Bank on it....

1/04/2018 04:24:00 AM

Only in his dreams. He'll be lucky to hang on as a commander.

1/04/2018 01:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the “officer” looking for advice from a Det or veteran PO...
A law enforcement officer has the right to ask you to exit the vehicle during a traffic stop.
It is state & federal law.

I do NOT believe you are a CPD police officer.

I think you are the offender(s) looking for information!

No officer would ask this advice on a public forum!

Get lost Felicia...

1/04/2018 01:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You don't become a gold star these days by standing up for the rank and file, or by being an experienced working street cop. No no no. They want suck ups who will do as they are told. Think about it, if you are an incompetent, over promoted, merit hack then you will do anything they tell you in order to hide the fact that they have no practical job experience. Think about "Pillows" aka Barb West, what does she know about being a street cop?

1/04/2018 01:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

 Anonymous said...

A little help from detectives or older officers please:
A while ago we stopped a car and the passenger was acting really suspicious. We asked him to exit the car and he refused. We ended up dragging him out and found a gun in the car. Best case scenario for us. Now, i ask this question, what if we found nothing? We drag the driver and passenger out after numerous times asking and they refuse. We search car, find nothing. What could/should we charge them with? As a young officer in busy district where these people are constantly challenging us now and refusing to even give their license, let alone step out of the car, I’d like to have an idea on how to proceed. Thank you for any advice. And I’m not looking for “don’t stop them to begin with.”

1/04/2018 12:56:00 AM

Ask fronzak in legal affairs, he teaches the class on it

1/04/2018 01:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Take the money and run the pension will be gone soon good move, you had you’re day in the sun office.

1/04/2018 01:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For that young officer asking about the gun found in a search. First question is why did you stop him? Most likely it was for a driving violation. I wasn't there so I don't know what the violation was but you do. Once he stops and you tell him about the traffic violation he is required to give you his driving license as he is operating a car. If he doesn't give you the license you can arrest and take both him and the vehicle into custody. Now that you legally have control of the car you are required tow the car for safe keeping and of course you have to search the car to ensure that things of value are inventoried. If you find the weapon or drugs during the search, then you have criminal charges.

1/04/2018 02:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A little help from detectives or older officers please:
Obstructing a peace officer.
720 ilcs 5/31-1 (a)
a) A person who knowingly resists or obstructs the performance by one known to the person to be a peace officer, firefighter, or correctional institution employee of any authorized act within his or her official capacity commits a Class A misdemeanor.

1/04/2018 02:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
ot -
Has anyone seen that female civilian that oversees the calea stuff?
Word is she's been off of work for an extended period of time.
FMLA or covered on the books? Most think it's the latter.
We know the IG monitors this site, maybe you guys want to look at this one.

1/04/2018 05:08:00 AM

Honey, you really really need to get a life. You're retired. How much do you have to hate someone to hold on to this for this long..My goodness.
PS. If you're going to try and bash someone because you stalk them by driving by their house and see their car, at least use some common sense and think...December..Vacation/Furlough. You're a mush. Please go back on your meds....

1/04/2018 02:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

next superintendent will be a female with a male first deputy
end the frikn gold braid pension already
it is collected by all merit stupervisors

1/04/2018 02:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
A little help from detectives or older officers please:
A while ago we stopped a car and the passenger was acting really suspicious. We asked him to exit the car and he refused. We ended up dragging him out and found a gun in the car. Best case scenario for us. Now, i ask this question, what if we found nothing? We drag the driver and passenger out after numerous times asking and they refuse. We search car, find nothing. What could/should we charge them with? As a young officer in busy district where these people are constantly challenging us now and refusing to even give their license, let alone step out of the car, I’d like to have an idea on how to proceed. Thank you for any advice. And I’m not looking for “don’t stop them to begin with.”

1/04/2018 12:56:00 AM

You should be posing this question to your sergeant or other officers on the watch, not on the blog. However, you should charge them with Resist/Obstruct, as they are obstructing your investigation.

- A sergeant in a busy district.

1/04/2018 02:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

bring back aunt bea

1/04/2018 02:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A little help from detectives or older officers please:
A while ago we stopped a car and the passenger was acting really suspicious. We asked him to exit the car and he refused. We ended up dragging him out and found a gun in the car. Best case scenario for us. Now, i ask this question, what if we found nothing? We drag the driver and passenger out after numerous times asking and they refuse. We search car, find nothing. What could/should we charge them with? As a young officer in busy district where these people are constantly challenging us now and refusing to even give their license, let alone step out of the car, I’d like to have an idea on how to proceed. Thank you for any advice. And I’m not looking for “don’t stop them to begin with.”


See Pennsylvania v. Mimms Supreme Court case. Driver and passengers can be forced to exit vehicle. If nothing found after search then issue citation for traffic violation that led to the stop and complete TRR and ISR.

1/04/2018 02:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just another political lackey,who will be looked on by rank and file with disdain! The bosses with the gold stars all are a joke just disgusting waiting to raid the pension plan, as they bow down to political sponsors simple as that!

1/04/2018 02:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1/04/2018 12:56:00 AM

...And arrest for failure to obey lawful order to exit vehicle

1/04/2018 03:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A little help from detectives or older officers please:
A while ago we stopped a car and the passenger was acting really suspicious. We asked him to exit the car and he refused. We ended up dragging him out and found a gun in the car. Best case scenario for us. Now, i ask this question, what if we found nothing? We drag the driver and passenger out after numerous times asking and they refuse. We search car, find nothing. What could/should we charge them with? As a young officer in busy district where these people are constantly challenging us now and refusing to even give their license, let alone step out of the car, I’d like to have an idea on how to proceed. Thank you for any advice. And I’m not looking for “don’t stop them to begin with.”
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What was your probable cause to begin with? If you are stopping them for traffic violations and they refuse to cooperate or don't have a DL then TVB or long form them for the traffic violation. If you are searching the car, you need a reason to search without driver consent, and only areas immediately accessible to the driver/passenger. Strong odor of cannabis, drug paraphernalia in plain view, open alcoholic beverage etc. "Acting suspicious" is not PC. Was the driver/passenger moving/searching for something with his hands under the seat, around the cabin area after you instructed him/her to keep his/her hands in your view on the dash? Is the traffic stop in an area of high narcotic and gang activity? Are these passengers known gang members? These are some officer safety issues that are legitimate and would help your case if you document them in an ISR, or arrest report, but remember - COPA will make final determinations as to how acceptable your behavior was should a complaint be filed, and their sole purpose is to find fault in your activity, period. These are things that you and your partner really need to think about before engaging anyone out there. And always ask yourself - "Is my career worth it?" "Is my family worth it?" "Is my life worth it?"

1/04/2018 03:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you for any advice. And I’m not looking for “don’t stop them to begin with.”

1/04/2018 12:56:00 AM


You are such a cutie pie.....for a troll......

Time to seek guidance from your political puppeteers.....on how to properly not be so fucking obvious.......

1/04/2018 03:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A little help from detectives or older officers please:
A while ago we stopped a car and the passenger was acting really suspicious. We asked him to exit the car and he refused. We ended up dragging him out and found a gun in the car. Best case scenario for us. Now, i ask this question, what if we found nothing? We drag the driver and passenger out after numerous times asking and they refuse. We search car, find nothing. What could/should we charge them with? As a young officer in busy district where these people are constantly challenging us now and refusing to even give their license, let alone step out of the car, I’d like to have an idea on how to proceed. Thank you for any advice. And I’m not looking for “don’t stop them to begin with.”
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The charge is obstructing a peace officer, which is a misdemeanor. Even though it has been declared that you can legally order people out of vehicles (Pennsylvania v Mimms) CPD says that you better have a good reason and complete an ISR. Say you wind up having to taze the guy because he "know his rights," now you have to do a TRR as well. So if you do all this and find nothing in the car, that's a case report, arrest report, TRR, ISR, all for a misdemeanor that's going to get thrown out. The media will play your body camera footage over and over, but only the part where the guy screams while getting tazed. Eddie will say that it was unacceptable. And the offender will wind up making more $$$ than you on a lawsuit because you tazed him and pulled him out "for no reason" and the city will settle instead of fight it in court. Now go get the guns off the street youngin!

1/04/2018 03:18:00 PM  
Blogger stash the polski guy said...

shit, i got nothing better to do.

1/04/2018 03:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

is the First Deputy something like the First Lady ? or 2nd Fiddle ?

1/04/2018 03:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


A little help from detectives or older officers please:
A while ago we stopped a car and the passenger was acting really suspicious. We asked him to exit the car and he refused. We ended up dragging him out and found a gun in the car. Best case scenario for us. Now, i ask this question, what if we found nothing? We drag the driver and passenger out after numerous times asking and they refuse. We search car, find nothing. What could/should we charge them with? As a young officer in busy district where these people are constantly challenging us now and refusing to even give their license, let alone step out of the car, I’d like to have an idea on how to proceed. Thank you for any advice. And I’m not looking for “don’t stop them to begin with.”

I advise you to get a good lawyer. Anyone dumb enough to be making stops in this climate is bound to be sued. As a 22 year veteran that's all I can advise. See I didn't say don't stop them at all...

1/04/2018 03:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Escamerit Bank on it....
1/04/2018 04:24:00 AM

Escamerit runs 025 like a Burger King manager. The guy is a hot tempered loser. Even other exempts know that he is a fucking idiot. In all my years I have never seen a commander micro manage as much as he does, and do it terribly at that. Walks around the station like he is some type of big shot. His power is but an illusion.

1/04/2018 03:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
A little help from detectives or older officers please:
A while ago we stopped a car and the passenger was acting really suspicious. We asked him to exit the car and he refused. We ended up dragging him out and found a gun in the car. Best case scenario for us. Now, i ask this question, what if we found nothing? We drag the driver and passenger out after numerous times asking and they refuse. We search car, find nothing. What could/should we charge them with? As a young officer in busy district where these people are constantly challenging us now and refusing to even give their license, let alone step out of the car, I’d like to have an idea on how to proceed. Thank you for any advice. And I’m not looking for “don’t stop them to begin with.”
1/04/2018 12:56:00 AM

Been on the job for almost 30 years, was a detective for 15. Now a boss. #1 - be able to clearly articulate why you stopped the vehicle and why you want to remove the subject from the car. Simply saying "for officer safety" is not enough. Clearly articulate what led you to believe your safety was at risk. #2 - by G.O. & S.O. you cannot remove a barricaded subject from the car without first notifying your immediate supervisor. That supervisor is required to respond to the scene and provide advice & guidance. The decision to extricate the subject from the car, and the plan utilized, is made by the supervisor. #3 - be able to clearly articulate why you are searching the car. Again "officer safety" is not enough. Did you see the subject bend over and appear to place an object under the front seat? If so, say that. #3 - if after all of the above is done and you search the car and find nothing charges would depend on his/her response to the supervisor. If he/she comes out, write the ticket or whatever and off they go. If force was used/needed to remove the subject from the car the proper charges would be the tickets and Resist/Obstruct a Peace Officer 720ILCS5/31-1-a1; the subject obstructed you from performing your lawful duty. Class over.

1/04/2018 03:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hopefully not Bab’s.... she’s as incompetent as the day is long.
Staples?... to appease that voter block?

You know the Hispanic Caucus will demand another Hispanic.

1/04/2018 03:11:00 AM

Navarro is about as Hispanic as Barb West is Scandinavian

1/04/2018 03:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A little help from detectives or older officers please:
A while ago we stopped a car and the passenger was acting really suspicious. We asked him to exit the car and he refused. We ended up dragging him out and found a gun in the car. Best case scenario for us. Now, i ask this question, what if we found nothing? We drag the driver and passenger out after numerous times asking and they refuse. We search car, find nothing. What could/should we charge them with? As a young officer in busy district where these people are constantly challenging us now and refusing to even give their license, let alone step out of the car, I’d like to have an idea on how to proceed. Thank you for any advice. And I’m not looking for “don’t stop them to begin with.”

1/04/2018 12:56:00 AM

There are several court cases that pertain to this type of stop. The one you may want to read is the U.S. Supreme Court decision opinion for Pennsylvania v. Mimms , 434 U.S. 106 (1977) delivered by Chief Justice Rehnquist. This should have been taught to you in the academy, but I digress....Anyway you will need to be able to articulate what "acting really suspicious" was. This is difficult for many P.O.s to do which leads to being "fetal". Was the passenger moving around, concealing items, avoiding eye contact, does his/her speech convey that they were nervous (be able to explain that further), etc? I could go on for quite a while about factors that establish reasonable suspicion for an investigative stop.

Also remember that you need to be able to articulate the reasonable suspicion for a pat down or a more invasive search of the vehicle and driver/passengers. If a car is being impounded and the driver is arrested then the whole car is fair game along with the driver, but not necessarily the passengers.

As for charging when nothing is found, that is what ISRs are for. I also suggest fully charging/citing/ANOV for all offenses observed to include a full TVB into the station with an impound if appropriate. No breaks or corner cutting.

Sometimes “don’t stop them to begin with” is the best advice. Pick your battles. Don't let them antagonize you into a contest of wills. If something isn't there, it just isn't there. Swallow your pride and let it go. Get'em another day.

1/04/2018 04:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wait, I'm going to be gay, Jewish, Muslim,a cps grad, have been held down by the police and white America, I will get a link card too. Does that make me the ideal candidate? Oh, and I forgot, never got promoted off the list, sorry that's a big one.

1/04/2018 04:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
There are a couple of dark horses in this race. Watch for Escamerit to try to make some major power plays behind the scenes. He wants his pony to finish first in case Big Ed gets put out to pasture sometime in the future and can't protect him anymore.
1/04/2018 01:13:00 AM

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Who the fuck is this asshole's clout?! Staples put this goof in for one of his merit bumps. Staples is a woman that is part of the 'Alternative Lifestyle,' cliq, so I have a hard time believing that this idiot was someone she actually respected and decided to make merit because she thought he deserved it. The only dames Escamerit can charm are secretaries and subservients. Dumb women impressed by shiny gold stars. Someone had to have told Staples to do it as a favor. Out Escamerit's clout.

1/04/2018 04:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Barbara West reached her maximum police level of intelligence as a p.o. issuing radios to the troops after roll call. After doing a great job, she was merit promoted to a deputy chief's rank. Not bad!

1/04/2018 04:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

12:56
If your pen isn't good enough to justify your actions, don't take action.
There are numerous things you can do in that situation, but ultimately, it comes down to how well you can justify your actions. Your mood, your partner, your stress level shouldn't be ignored, either.

1/04/2018 04:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

tony riccio for first deputy

1/04/2018 04:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

rumor has it larry Dominick the mayor of cicero and retired cicero deputy chief has a the inside track remember larry knows where all the skeletons are

1/04/2018 04:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please let it be Escamerit, and hope he takes Captain Bankruptcy with him.

1/04/2018 04:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bye.On your way out the door please take,in no particular order,the 025th and 019th District Commanders and their Executive Officers with you.All are taking up space and don't back their officers.

1/04/2018 04:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

12:56 am - The answer is charge the driver with traffic office and the element that led you to having him get out of the vehicle for the tvb. The passenger you can charge with "Party to a Crime". The Det. is right! They do not do traffic. Next time you have such a question and immediate answers are not available to you in your unit I suggest maybe try the Traffic Unit. It has a lot of officers with a wealth of knowledge especially concerning traffic. Good luck.

1/04/2018 04:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A while ago we stopped a car and the passenger was acting really suspicious. We asked him to exit the car and he refused. We ended up dragging him out and found a gun in the car. Best case scenario for us. Now, i ask this question, what if we found nothing? We drag the driver and passenger out after numerous times asking and they refuse. We search car, find nothing. What could/should we charge them with? As a young officer in busy district where these people are constantly challenging us now and refusing to even give their license, let alone step out of the car, I’d like to have an idea on how to proceed. Thank you for any advice. And I’m not looking for “don’t stop them to begin with.”
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You stopped the driver for a traffic violation. Not sure what constitutionally sound reason you could give for demanding much of anything from a passenger unless you had PC.

1/04/2018 05:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
A little help from detectives or older officers please:
A while ago we stopped a car and the passenger was acting really suspicious. We asked him to exit the car and he refused. We ended up dragging him out and found a gun in the car. Best case scenario for us. Now, i ask this question, what if we found nothing? We drag the driver and passenger out after numerous times asking and they refuse. We search car, find nothing. What could/should we charge them with? As a young officer in busy district where these people are constantly challenging us now and refusing to even give their license, let alone step out of the car, I’d like to have an idea on how to proceed. Thank you for any advice. And I’m not looking for “don’t stop them to begin with.”

———————-

This is a prime example of the need to think before you take action. Before you drag someone into the station under arrest you must know specifically what YOU are going to charge them with. Don’t be a “I dunno, let’s get the law book out and find something that fits” copper. You are only going to set yourself up for a civil rights lawsuit.

My advice to you is this...the public has the right to be an asshole to you. You don’t have to like it, but it is true. If there is no legit reason to place them into custody, swallow your pride and let them go. This job is not a game.

1/04/2018 05:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ernest T. Bass always wanted to wear a fancy uniform. Now pull my finger...

1/04/2018 05:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are in a "fast" district (007, 011, 015, etc.) with an equally green partner pushing a beat car and making traffic stops? I don't think so. Go back to your mother's basement; the new video game is starting on your Xbox.

1/04/2018 05:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kevin was always a good boss in the units. Good luck!

1/04/2018 05:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

great question. Detective here. But why ask a Det??? You guys are the pros on traffic stops. Don't know the last time I did one.

OR

anything else for that matter that didn't benefit ME. Don't you go messing up my designer hours I be steady detecting 24/7.

1/04/2018 05:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I knew some decent patrolmen that lost their minds when promoted. Good people that sold their souls to climb the company ladder. More $. More power. Arrogant and a sense of entitlement. Bosses afraid of getting a “ brick” on them. There were some good bosses in the past. Now, they all want to politic their way up the ladder. No shame . No dignity.

1/04/2018 05:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has to be of the right persuasion.

1/04/2018 06:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kevin Ryan, that psychotic POS. God forbid! He loves making false accusations against officers he has never even met. Hope he goes down for the corrupt BS he has done.

1/04/2018 06:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Who the fuck is this asshole's clout?! Staples put this goof in for one of his merit bumps. Staples is a woman that is part of the 'Alternative Lifestyle,' cliq, so I have a hard time believing that this idiot was someone she actually respected and decided to make merit because she thought he deserved it. The only dames Escamerit can charm are secretaries and subservients. Dumb women impressed by shiny gold stars. Someone had to have told Staples to do it as a favor. Out Escamerit's clout.


You don’t really believe that the person who nominates them is really the one that wants them promoted. They are told to do it because the real nominative can’t be associated with it. Happens all the time. Half the time they don’t and haven’t worked for them
What can the application say if you were the secretary or driver that would be able to justify the nomination

1/04/2018 06:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All you quoting case law are wrong. COPA will determine what is a legal search and seizure. COPA trumps Supreme Court in Chicago. Advise you to quit while your ahead if the party you stopped reads this blog his next stop is to an attorney. And given the current anti-police sentiment in Chicago he will be getting a big fat check due to your over eager actions. Why is it so hard to understand the concept of staying FETAL. Maybe someday you will be able to go back to being proactive but not until all the liberal democrats and crooked judges are long gone, probably not in your lifetime however. Of you really like being the police, move to Texas.

1/04/2018 06:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why doesn’t the CPD post all the nominations of the merit promotions so we’can all see the acts that made this merit deserving
Make the application public like they do when the hire a new superintendent or promote a new 1st deputy. They usually put out a story with their education and personal background alone with a short biography

1/04/2018 06:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pretty basic question, must have been sleeping last month at the academy. Good Luck greenhorn.

1/04/2018 06:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Barney Fife sounds like a refresher course at academy is in order. Maybe then they will issue you those bullets for your gun.

1/04/2018 06:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

With a query like that your falling into the COPA trap. All the would be lawyers answering your questions have led you in the wrong direction. Any Supreme Court findings do not apply to Chicago. COPA is not the only court that counts. Federal and state laws no longer apply to Chicago. COPA will make case law and you will follow their direction, they are now in full charge..... better get used to that reality.

1/04/2018 07:02:00 PM  
Blogger annonymous said...

at least someone here remembers the snethen story! this new crew of skinny jean coppers could never comprehend how much fun we had.

1/04/2018 07:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Anonymous Anonymous said...
A little help from detectives or older officers please:
A while ago we stopped a car and the passenger was acting really suspicious. We asked him to exit the car and he refused. We ended up dragging him out and found a gun in the car. Best case scenario for us. Now, I ask this question, what if we found nothing? We drag the driver and passenger out after numerous times asking and they refuse. We search car, find nothing. What could/should we charge them with? As a young officer in busy district where these people are constantly challenging us now and refusing to even give their license, let alone step out of the car, I’d like to have an idea on how to proceed. Thank you for any advice. And I’m not looking for “don’t stop them to begin with.”


For starters, you have the right to search this individual for your own safety, view his drivers license and if it escalates with him not getting out of the vehicle, after you ordered him to do so; now its called disobeying a direct order of the police. If your in the monkey suit, he must comply or get fucking arrested. If you had to forcibly remove him, now we are walking the line of resisting the police. At this point he's under arrest. You're the police, document everything and now we have camera's to further that document ion. Learn to use your authority in the proper why and back it up with proof.

1/04/2018 07:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No means no in will not get out of car. What options do you have? Can't taze him, can't shoot him, can't beat or manhandle him what are you going to do? Oh, by the way that car that just pulled over is videoing whole thing for the ghetto lottery payday. Is this right, no but it's the world your stuck in now. Better have a plan B for employment I think your going to need it very soon, that's the bad news. The good news is you will not have wasted a good portion of your career is a very toxic unfulfilling job situation. Good luck I think you just might need it. Sorry kid but that's reality.

1/04/2018 07:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Heard a good one the O.e.m.c. director wants to be on the notifications list for our dept. She also told several bosses if the mayor is out of town she is in charge of the circus and the city. She is a real tool.

1/04/2018 12:12:00 PM

Odd, considering she is the lordess of all emergency communications. Her own people can call her 24/7/365 with the information. Of course, after no R.E.M. sleep for a couple weeks, her attitude will change from sour to homicidal.

1/04/2018 07:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re: The "A little help from detectives or older officers please:" post.

I suppose I should be past that point where stupid amazes me.

Not necessarily that SCC posted this "comment", but that sooooooo many saw fit to respond to it in the manner in which they did, as in, trusting it to be authentic, truthful and sincere.

As the saying goes....For Fuck's Sake.....just pour out an abundant variety of cop to cop advice; noooooooo, no need to consider the possibility, let alone the obviously designed nature of this fairy tale, to induce just this abundance for the purpose of.......take a fucking guess........

Sure, some responders caught the play, and replied with subtle sarcasm......no, not you fellas who essentially said....bite me....ya dumbass.....but......even the subtleties will be twisted and construed to give the COPA bananas some phony shit to sling.

I'm taking a break from scratching my balls, to scratching my head, so, thanks to all you suckers for that; my nutsack was getting a bit raw.......

1/04/2018 07:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re:
Anonymous said...
keep your eye on Kevin Ryan, tight with the mayor, he pushing for him.

..

Lol, that’s funny! Okay Mrs. Ryan we all understand Kevin being retired and Home everyday is a scary thought, but we don’t want him either.

1/04/2018 07:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For all of you genius advice givers:

1-this should not be discussed here, as you are either too much of a turd to ask someone or just a fucking reporter

2-since we are obviously doing this, see people vs ramirez where the act of obstruction requires a physical act.

3-finally, educate yourself on what is going on around you so you are able to justify the actions your work is based on.

1/04/2018 07:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Hmmmm said...

The dark horse candidate for superintendent upon the retirement of the boss would be Chuck Williams who in addition to his substantial and well documented law enforcement leadership experience he has gained serious crede in the private sector as a security executive and in Streets and Sanitation as a visionary leader. Chuck Williams is also trusted and admired by the Department of Justice
* * * * * * * * *
Whoa... there just might be sum truth to that. Didn't he just retire?

1/04/2018 08:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Navarro has done about as much for the Hispanics as Matt Rodriguez did for them. ZERO!

1/04/2018 08:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A little help?

Answer: PCS; then straight to B25 or B57!

1/04/2018 08:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don’t really give a fuck unless he pats for my health insurance.

1/04/2018 08:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How'd we let this get off track with everyone biting on the case law quiz?

Now common, back to gossip on who will get made? More wagers etc.

Please!

1/04/2018 08:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A sergeant in a busy district.

1/04/2018 02:41:00 PM

Eye roll.

1/04/2018 08:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
A little help from detectives or older officers please:
A while ago we stopped a car and the passenger was acting really suspicious. We asked him to exit the car and he refused. We ended up dragging him out and found a gun in the car. Best case scenario for us. Now, i ask this question, what if we found nothing? We drag the driver and passenger out after numerous times asking and they refuse. We search car, find nothing. What could/should we charge them with? As a young officer in busy district where these people are constantly challenging us now and refusing to even give their license, let alone step out of the car, I’d like to have an idea on how to proceed. Thank you for any advice. And I’m not looking for “don’t stop them to begin with.”
1/04/2018 12:56:00 AM

Been on the job for almost 30 years, was a detective for 15. Now a boss. #1 - be able to clearly articulate why you stopped the vehicle and why you want to remove the subject from the car. Simply saying "for officer safety" is not enough. Clearly articulate what led you to believe your safety was at risk. #2 - by G.O. & S.O. you cannot remove a barricaded subject from the car without first notifying your immediate supervisor. That supervisor is required to respond to the scene and provide advice & guidance. The decision to extricate the subject from the car, and the plan utilized, is made by the supervisor. #3 - be able to clearly articulate why you are searching the car. Again "officer safety" is not enough. Did you see the subject bend over and appear to place an object under the front seat? If so, say that. #3 - if after all of the above is done and you search the car and find nothing charges would depend on his/her response to the supervisor. If he/she comes out, write the ticket or whatever and off they go. If force was used/needed to remove the subject from the car the proper charges would be the tickets and Resist/Obstruct a Peace Officer 720ILCS5/31-1-a1; the subject obstructed you from performing your lawful duty. Class over.

1/04/2018 03:42:00 PM

Thats was a good class except the supervisor part. You are free to drag a motherfucker out of a car, you cannot OC the car without approval. A supervisor has to respond to a potential use of force but you are taking the motherfucker out of the car for officer safety, so if the plan is to suck dude out through the window start sucking.

1/04/2018 09:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
The dept needs Staples in the detective div. That mess still needs to be ironed out, Gene Roy, who wasn’t in the chief position long really left the D in shambles.
West- stays where she is.
Ricco to 1st deputy.
Dana Alexander to chief of OCD

On a side note: Kennedy probably is really hoping Ricco doesn’t become the 1st deputy. Lol- back to lieutenant you go Chris.

Safe money on Staples being the next Sup.... Mayor loves her, would be the 1st woman sup, she’s very well spoken, smart enough to delegate jobs to competent people, she has no distractions or baggage in her life.

1/04/2018 11:40:00 AM

Kennedy is not going back to Lt no matter who is the 1st Dep or Sup. You must be one of Riccio's play babies, he aint got that kind of whack.

1/04/2018 09:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He who has the most clout wins, it’s all legit my friends

1/04/2018 09:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Numerous Federal Indictments for Chicago-Crook County coming very soon. Retired Mayor, Union Officials Active and Retired, other Chicago & Crook County Pols, retired and active CPD and other City Workers goin down. There are hundreds goin down. Stay Tuned.

1/04/2018 09:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought Navarro was the next guy in line to be superintendent. But maybe even he observes that cpd is on thin ice and he doesn't want any part of it.

1/04/2018 07:18:00 AM

The only people who thought were the strokes he promoted from his midnight crew in 004. None of them ever did a fucking thing and they continue the legacy of incompetency as Sgt's, Det, and ETs.

1/04/2018 09:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kevin Ryan , great pick, but methinks to pale.

1/04/2018 09:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eric Carter????? Dumb as a box of rocks quadruple merit. Screwed up every unit he’s ever been in. His nickname was put me on the paper Carter.

1/04/2018 09:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
The dept needs Staples in the detective div. That mess still needs to be ironed out, Gene Roy, who wasn’t in the chief position long really left the D in shambles.
West- stays where she is.
Ricco to 1st deputy.
Dana Alexander to chief of OCD

On a side note: Kennedy probably is really hoping Ricco doesn’t become the 1st deputy. Lol- back to lieutenant you go Chris.

Safe money on Staples being the next Sup.... Mayor loves her, would be the 1st woman sup, she’s very well spoken, smart enough to delegate jobs to competent people, she has no distractions or baggage in her life.


You gotta be kidding. The D Unit is still *ucked up. So many bad investigations are still surfacing. They couldnt find an elephant in a zoo. And what "competent" people did she delagate anything to?

1/04/2018 09:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

https://chicago.suntimes.com/chicago-politics/chicagos-no-2-cop-announces-retirement/

1/04/2018 10:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks Navarro from the old 023rd District 2362 tact team

1/04/2018 10:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Carter turned Narcotics into a unit that did nothing. Riccio had to always save the day. He just wrecked the swat team—a mumbling fool that can’t speak the English language.

1/04/2018 10:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You don’t really believe that the person who nominates them is really the one that wants them promoted. They are told to do it because the real nominative can’t be associated with it. Happens all the time. Half the time they don’t and haven’t worked for them
What can the application say if you were the secretary or driver that would be able to justify the nomination
1/04/2018 06:48:00 P

Of course I don't. Isn't that obvious by my post slapnuts? I know Staples didn't pick him. It is just what is on paper. Again, my question is who told her to do so or for whom? You obviously don't know so can it!

1/04/2018 10:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hopefully not Bab’s.... she’s as incompetent as the day is long.
Staples?... to appease that voter block?

You know the Hispanic Caucus will demand another Hispanic.

1/04/2018 03:11:00 AM

Navarro is about as Hispanic as Barb West is Scandinavian

1/04/2018 03:48:00 PM

“Si como no” Hola

1/04/2018 10:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
A little help from detectives or older officers please:
A while ago we stopped a car and the passenger was acting really suspicious. We asked him to exit the car and he refused. We ended up dragging him out and found a gun in the car. Best case scenario for us. Now, i ask this question, what if we found nothing? We drag the driver and passenger out after numerous times asking and they refuse. We search car, find nothing. What could/should we charge them with? As a young officer in busy district where these people are constantly challenging us now and refusing to even give their license, let alone step out of the car, I’d like to have an idea on how to proceed. Thank you for any advice. And I’m not looking for “don’t stop them to begin with.”



&&&&&

Never refer to anyone’s actions as “suspicious”. It’s thrown around a lot on TV however saying someone was making “suspicious movements” doesn’t work. Say what they were doing. To many people say he was making furtive movements or was making suspicious movements stop saying that!! Listen, if he was bending over in a vehicle making a back and forth movement with his arms under the seat then you say that. Say exactly what he was doing. Like all these idiots who saw the offender “throw a whiney object”. You either saw a handgun or you didn’t. Know what you saw. Know why you felt the way you felt after sing what you saw. Articulate the hell out of the story you want to tell. If you approached and saw a guy in a seated position lifting his body with his hands and arms Lear his buttocks area which you immediately recognized that the subject was attempting to hide his hands or a possible object that he may have had in his hands that you could not see due to the subjects actions then articulate it. You ordered the subject to stop moving and show his hands. The subject did not initially comply with the order and kept one hand on the side away from R/O which R/O could not see down near where the subjects buttocks area met the seat. Again ordered the subject to show hands and finally complied. You saw the subjects hands shaking, appeared to be perspirating on his forehead and face and would not not make eye contact with RO. Due to a gang conflict in the area, recent shootings etc etc where vehicles were used in these shootings and the offenders were found o be armed with handguns elected to have subject exit to the TOS belief that the subjects movements were indicative of hiding a weapon. Had exit, complied and either found something or found nothing. Just articulate. Say what you saw and stop trying to use cute words like shiny objects and suspicious movements or furtive movements even though it’s a legal term. It’s a legal term but it leaves a lot to question in the future at a motion. Just say exactly what the movements were.

1/04/2018 10:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Numerous Federal Indictments for Chicago-Crook County coming very soon. Retired Mayor, Union Officials Active and Retired, other Chicago & Crook County Pols, retired and active CPD and other City Workers goin down. There are hundreds goin down. Stay Tuned.

Yeah, and big changes coming Friday!

1/04/2018 10:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Kevin Ryan, that psychotic POS. God forbid! He loves making false accusations against officers he has never even met. Hope he goes down for the corrupt BS he has done.

1/04/2018 06:26:00 PM


Except for the loudmouth drunk LT dog do nothing LT in 008. Ryan got that one right. That guy is a toxic dog who is scared of his shadow and has never done a lick of real police work in his life... very very nice guy though. Love him as a person, not so much as a policeman.

1/04/2018 10:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Numerous Federal Indictments for Chicago-Crook County coming very soon. Retired Mayor, Union Officials Active and Retired, other Chicago & Crook County Pols, retired and active CPD and other City Workers goin down. There are hundreds goin down. Stay Tuned

One can only hope , drain the swamp !

1/04/2018 11:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK OK EVERYBODY HOLD IT ,

I Found out who got the Job , ( DRUM ROLL PLEASE ) IT'S EDDIES WIFE Lt. Nakia Fenner , LMAO , Dont Forget this is CHICAGO . Every body Knows Eddie gave her the Cheat Sheets for that Lt Exam , ( Dont forget this Nice Story Below )

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/01/30/johnson-fiancee-subject-of-investigation-into-possible-ticket-fixing/

1/04/2018 11:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Numerous Federal Indictments for Chicago-Crook County coming very soon. Retired Mayor, Union Officials Active and Retired, other Chicago & Crook County Pols, retired and active CPD and other City Workers goin down. There are hundreds goin down. Stay Tuned.

1/04/2018 09:19:00 PM

😂😂

1/05/2018 12:03:00 AM  

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