019 Swiping?
So the HQ test run must have been rousing success?
OT is under control and house mouses are doing full tours of duty? No early ducks, half-tours, carried on the sheets?
Can we see the printouts?
So now it's to be piloted in the field:
OT is under control and house mouses are doing full tours of duty? No early ducks, half-tours, carried on the sheets?
Can we see the printouts?
So now it's to be piloted in the field:
- Apparently 019 has to swipe in and out with only 7 min window... It's not attached to payroll... after 30 days the people who have not been doing it will be admonished... then 30 days later if the same people are found to not be swiping in then could be a spar
So it's not even attached to payroll?
Does this mean we still get a "gun day"?
Does this mean we still get a "gun day"?
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
91 Comments:
Swiping issue aside, leaving 019 after the merge was the best thing I ever did. If you’re still there from the merge, from either side (019 or 023), just get out of there. You’d be surprised on how nice a change of scenery can be. I’m not one who relishes change either. Trust me. That jag off McCarthy ruined two good districts.
What happens when a late swipe is made and no slip is made out? Who is contacted for uncompensated OT? There is documentation.
All true. It's in the C.O. book and coming to a district near you soon. I remember when police were trusted. Now, we are presumed to be doing wrong, unless a body worn camera, a dash camera, two microphones,a GPS and now a time clock says you are not. Oh well, we still better get those numbers for Rahm. He still has our back.
Any person with common sense would of left years prior. Instead, he waits to get promoted only to volunteer for Pilot 👩✈️ swiping . He initiated the 14th district body camera pilot program.
Fuck Him !
Hope you are reading this .
Motivate ME !
Hey Boss, I work inside, Im going out into the community and doing Social work,Really I have to drive back to the District to swipe in.
The CPD has utilized an automated A&A system for about 10 years now. That system was to be tied to payroll when it went on-line back then. The problem was many Officers in the Department do not work regular start times i.e. tact, gang, foot and relief Officers for beat cars. The system was paying Officers large amounts of O.T. for swiping in 8hrs before their start time or docking pay for Officers who were RDO and never swiped in. This was never a problem, because it was never tied to payroll. We would see reports from Inspectors about problems.
Not attached to payroll because CPD systems are crap.
"Gun day" sounds like an original term once used by members of the crime fighting I/F fraternity...
If they want to keep the troops happy they should printout the swiping times of all Captains, Lts and Sgts in the district to lead by example.
Daily review of the camera on the swiper would be more fun. See who swipes how many cards, as it is his/her turn in the barrel.
You know I love your sarcasm, but in this case you’re making the case just why these fucks want us swiping in and out. Why not just leave it alone and it will go away like the previous attempts at turning us into factory workers?
Not tied to payroll. What's the point?
It’s going citywide soon equipment and supplies just got it all the required parts to put it all together along with cameras to monitor machines in case some idiot attempt to disable it, as we know some coppers will try and then be terminated and prosecuted! The ducks will stop, no more “incentives” this could be a good thing though keeping the young and dumb aggressive coppers out of the court system getting sued getting that ghetto fabulous treatment in court because you worked hard to get that gun to get the duck! Staying not fetal but using your head as more than a hat rack will save you misery, and pain what counts is Blue going home unscathed every tour protect each other and protect families of brothers and sisters in blue we are all we have! May God bless the Police!
Before retirement, we were told we had to swipe in and out in 019. Some did as they were told. Just to check, I never swiped in or out. That was for about two years. No one ever said a thing and I never missed a check. If I was there still I still would not swipe. Swipe this. Until someone proves the system is on-line, fuck the system.
Become the blue collar worker you're supposed to be in the public's eyes.
Kronos machines in the 90s
I want the pretty police officers in my neighborhood to work a full tour. I want to feel safe.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
How about you tell more secrets. You want to tell everyone about the swimming pool on the roof of the academy as well?
The city of Chicago only issued the police department 10,000 CATA numbers to use (since its inception), so it cannot be used for payroll because some employees share CATA numbers. For now anyway, and before you jump on the manpower thing, the department has civilian employees that use the system also.
Anonymous said...
All true. It's in the C.O. book and coming to a district near you soon. I remember when police were trusted. Now, we are presumed to be doing wrong, unless a body worn camera, a dash camera, two microphones,a GPS and now a time clock says you are not. Oh well, we still better get those numbers for Rahm. He still has our back.
2/28/2018 12:29:00 AM
thank g*d there is a statute of limitations on theft of service or we'd all be in jail...
2/28/2018 03:18:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If they want to keep the troops happy they should printout the swiping times of all Captains, Lts and Sgts in the district to lead by example.
2/28/2018 04:13:00 AM
Then they can calculate all the time I spend answering emails and phone calls during the day "off-duty" everytime an issue comes up. It all works out in the end.
It’s been tried before with no success. Company that installs it usually goes belly up. We will see
audio, cameras, swipe machines ... how about permanent lie detectors next?
fuck this job, and not because of swiping so much ... I just could not come on this job now with the audio/video... no way.
What the hell do you guys talk about in the squad car? The weather? baseball all day?
The commander is a puppet of the mayor/master. They have a commonality that is easily researched. Once you understand what the puppet and master are, you are liberated.
Palestine
HQ has already stopped swiping (at least swiping in and out of work), so the test at HQ must have demonstrated no need to continue this charade.
If I swipe out late, I am dropping a slip for OT. I am sure the Department will refuse to pay, but I will then file a grievance. Time to make some OT!
So after it’s fully implemented we could potentially FOIA the documentation of the swipe times of all of the holier than thou bosses right? Hmmmm 😈
Go to City of Chicago homepage, look up awarded contracts. Contract #52497 awarded to GMS Consulting, owned by Goldstein was awarded contract to update and improve time keeping "swiping in" for CPD. new system to be up and running citywide within 58 weeks of awarded contract. see page 86 of contract for scope of work.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Daily review of the camera on the swiper would be more fun. See who swipes how many cards, as it is his/her turn in the barrel.
2/28/2018 05:45:00 AM
The new machines have been installed at the airports for awhile to test how long they would function, not being used by everyone as yet,they have a palm and finger reader so that eliminates the multiple cards at once dilemma! Why are these finally being put in place? look around how many coppers doubled some tripled salary with overtime, the pigs got fat the hogs are going to slaughter! Oh and the paperwork is being finalized many coppers will get an awakening, this scandal will blow open the core of many, thanks for ruining much by being the hogs, you will be at minimum paying back much,and at maximum loss of freedom! Dont want to be so blunt but how crazy can you be? was the big boat,the jacked up wrangler with $30,000 in accessories worth it? How about those benzs? Funny the average car loans for many coppers is $775.00 month payments now with loss of extra cash repo man will be coming soon!
Are p.o.s at the mayor's house swiping too?
Post swiping results of caps ,review ,other cowards hiding inside ,under the desk .
Kronos swiping machines were installed in th late 80’s , doesn’t work for Police .
Grasshoppers , follow my rule if they force it , stay on the street , 10 minutes before you are required to swipe out grab a TVB small narco arrest , on view hand waiver , street stop that requires an ISR . Kill them with 1/2 - 1 hour of OT every night .
Will the dog ass that is ten minutes late everyday get docked , if not , why not .
Narcotics supposedly swiping as well
Someone from 019 told me that white shirts and tactical teams are exempt from swiping in and out. Oh well, it is what it is.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hey Boss, I work inside, Im going out into the community and doing Social work,Really I have to drive back to the District to swipe in.
2/28/2018 12:51:00 AM
Bo ho ho. Don’t work inside. All you have to do is ask out. If you love social work, get a job at DCFS
Isnt that what SGTS. are for? Monitor their cars and make sure everyone is there doing their jobs. Why hunt anymore? 5-5-3 and done.
Remember the " First Gun" goes home days.
Many bosses don't even know what a "gun day" is... Look at tact teams, guys getting guns, SW, after that they tell them to go get some blue cards and keep'em for full tour
have that new deputy chief and his caps staff swipe in and out at headquarters
not the closest district to their homes
Former IAD Vanna Banna cant wait to check your swipe-in times...
Sounds good eight hours pay for eight hours worked !!!!
About time everyone swipes out. Tact been ducking out early for years.
Dolph Lundgren is moving up?!??! That's fantastic. I really liked him in movies..
Each person after swiping has to put their hand right under where you swipe so it can read your finger prints. This is to prevent someone swiping in for you. Other city workers sometimes come into the district to use the machine.
The 7 minute window is because that's what DOL considers to be de minimus. In essence, if you punch in 7 min early, they round up to the time you should have started (so no OT for that 7 min), and if you punch in 7 min late, they round back to the time you should have started because they figure you were standing in line waiting to punch...
Anything outside of that window requires additional work, documentation, justification, etc... it's a big PITA when/if someone files a DOL complaint alleging OT not paid or work done off the clock.
Hey genius when you swipe you have to insert your hand. It called a Biometric clock, which mean one card is tied to one hand.One person cannot swipe multiple cards. Welcome to the club .⏰
28/2018 03:18:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If they want to keep the troops happy they should printout the swiping times of all Captains, Lts and Sgts in the district to lead by example.
2/28/2018 04:13:00 AM
Then they can calculate all the time I spend answering emails and phone calls during the day "off-duty" everytime an issue comes up. It all works out in the end.
2/28/2018
No one is that important on this job. Anyones job can be done by any high school grad and that includes all white shirts all the way up to Johnson. Save me your answering emails BS, you're an hourly employee just like any blue shirt. Oh and lets not forget you get paid 3/4 hr overtime everyday to do housekeeping details.
Tact will be allowed to “phone in” their swipe if they are on an important investigation
2/28/2018 09:13:00 AM
My jacked up wrangler cane from hard work and side jobs, my boat is 19 years old, I bought it used, using one of those savings account things. So your comment is bullshit.
https://www.cityofchicago.org/content/dam/city/depts/dps/SoleSource/NCRB2016/ApprovedGMSConsultingNOV2016NCRB.pdf
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Go to City of Chicago homepage, look up awarded contracts. Contract #52497 awarded to GMS Consulting, owned by Goldstein was awarded contract to update and improve time keeping "swiping in" for CPD. new system to be up and running citywide within 58 weeks of awarded contract. see page 86 of contract for scope of work.
2/28/2018 09:11:00 AM
http://ecm.cityofchicago.org/eSMARTContracts/service/dpsweb/ViewDPSWeb.zul
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Go to City of Chicago homepage, look up awarded contracts. Contract #52497 awarded to GMS Consulting, owned by Goldstein was awarded contract to update and improve time keeping "swiping in" for CPD. new system to be up and running citywide within 58 weeks of awarded contract. see page 86 of contract for scope of work.
2/28/2018 09:11:00 AM
Is this swiping system tied to payroll? If not, what is the point?
They tried this in the 90s - total failure (as usual)
The community policing office is literally screwed. But it was good while it lasted!
Oh and the paperwork is being finalized many coppers.....
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Say what? Ya can't find anybody to give you a Dorothy Brown? Douche!
Homan Square getting ready to start swiping. Say buh bye to those massive ot checks.
What if everyone found a tvb or traffic stop on the way in that took them into OT every night. I wonder how that would go over?
The 7 minute window is because that's what DOL considers to be de minimus. In essence, if you punch in 7 min early, they round up to the time you should have started (so no OT for that 7 min), and if you punch in 7 min late, they round back to the time you should have started because they figure you were standing in line waiting to punch...
Anything outside of that window requires additional work, documentation, justification, etc... it's a big PITA when/if someone files a DOL complaint alleging OT not paid or work done off the clock.
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Governmental entities are not subject to DOL rules just like they are not subject to OSHA.
019 Commander had nothing to do with it. 019 was picked....Wasn't his choice.
What happens when a late swipe is made and no slip is made out? Who is contacted for uncompensated OT? There is documentation.
2/28/2018 12:24:00 AM
Eeoc wage enforcement dividion...
I'm gonna get a late arrest every night. Take my time and long form my TVB with an impound if I don't find any arrest. Time to go back to sweep days, everyone on the corner is getting S.U.B. or CTTL. Pay me!
What about the 20 hidden people that work upstairs in the “Admin” office?
Sometimes they “forget” to show up and even when they remember to show up they’re seldom around for more than a few hours. How’s this going to affect them?
I dont mind swiping in as long as its fair across the board...If i have to then EVERYONE should...tact teams are the same blue shirts we are..so why not clock in? Where's the FOP? Where's the fairness in all this? IM sure the Inspector will be at the clock to see if everone is clocking in and out....so I assume that we no longer need roll calls anymore since we clock in right? wasn't that what roll calls were for?
Anonymous said...
Hey genius when you swipe you have to insert your hand. It called a Biometric clock, which mean one card is tied to one hand.One person cannot swipe multiple cards. Welcome to the club .⏰
2/28/2018 03:01:00 PM
Guess what. You can put any hand in that machine and it will work. Know that because I done it with my card and asked a female to put her hand in there and it worked. That machine does not detect anything personal to your card
My jacked up wrangler cane from hard work and side jobs, my boat is 19 years old, I bought it used, using one of those savings account things. So your comment is bullshit.
2/28/2018 05:02:00 PM
Everything isn't about you, snowflake.
Ahh about time. Yea kinda sucks but everyother dept. has this. Way way too many ghost payrollers and overtime cheats.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What happens when a late swipe is made and no slip is made out? Who is contacted for uncompensated OT? There is documentation.
2/28/2018 12:24:00 AM
Eeoc wage enforcement dividion...
3/01/2018 12:02:00 AM
The swipe system will reinforce that ALL overtime must have prior approval from a supervisor
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Each person after swiping has to put their hand right under where you swipe so it can read your finger prints. This is to prevent someone swiping in for you. Other city workers sometimes come into the district to use the machine.
2/28/2018 02:30:00 PM
Actually not true....It digitally reads the top of your hand with the palm side down
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm gonna get a late arrest every night. Take my time and long form my TVB with an impound if I don't find any arrest. Time to go back to sweep days, everyone on the corner is getting S.U.B. or CTTL. Pay me!
3/01/2018 02:24:00 AM
Sure you will hot shot. You don't do a damn thing now. There is no way you will do this. Maybe a day or two while you shoot your mouth about "Hey look I got a late arrest." But then it will end and the dog in you will be right back there.
If they want to keep the troops happy they should printout the swiping times of all Captains, Lts and Sgts in the district to lead by example.
Sounds like you have a problem with bosses, and what time do you leave everyday? Full 9? Goof
I've been saying this from the start. The city isn't equipped to tie swiping to payroll. Nothing changes. It's just a way to check ot abuses. Your time is your time. You take time on the front or the end and swipe no dock in pay. As long as you aren't ghosting you are fine. If they start mandating ISRS for pay then it's time to flee to Canada. Or Montana.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What if everyone found a tvb or traffic stop on the way in that took them into OT every night. I wonder how that would go over?
2/28/2018 09:55:00 PM
fantasy land will never happen, we will be swiping in and out we are paid a good wage and due to the massive cheaters we will now be more legit! many suburban dept have been swiping for years,many Chicago dept have been swiping for years why not us? Funny all the threats, (Im going on the medical,I will get late arrests,tact is not doing it on and on), are nonsense it is coming and about time!
Swiping will come so stop complaining . Tact will have to work a full tour also. It sucks yeah, but it will shut up the Lt I work for that believes he can carry his guys just because he’s the LT. It will be interesting to see who’s the first fool to be made an example of trying to beat the system.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What about the 20 hidden people that work upstairs in the “Admin” office?
Sometimes they “forget” to show up and even when they remember to show up they’re seldom around for more than a few hours. How’s this going to affect them?
The bosses will protect them and find away around the signing in. No way will they be there 8 hrs a day. They have made all their arrangements already
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I dont mind swiping in as long as its fair across the board...If i have to then EVERYONE should...tact teams are the same blue shirts we are..so why not clock in? Where's the FOP? Where's the fairness in all this? IM sure the Inspector will be at the clock to see if everone is clocking in and out....so I assume that we no longer need roll calls anymore since we clock in right? wasn't that what roll calls were for?
3/01/2018 04:12:00 AM
Leave your com
When has anything been fair. Name something
Years ago I told a sgt something wasn’t fair. He responded fair is a four letter word that starts with F. I got the drift and on the CPD no truer words were ever spoken
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What if everyone found a tvb or traffic stop on the way in that took them into OT every night. I wonder how that would go over?
2/28/2018 09:55:00 PM
The same as if you had been doing it for the last year. Which I’m sure you haven’t.
And of course “everyone@ will do it.
Anonymous said...
I dont mind swiping in as long as its fair across the board...If i have to then EVERYONE should...tact teams are the same blue shirts we are..so why not clock in? Where's the FOP? Where's the fairness in all this? IM sure the Inspector will be at the clock to see if everone is clocking in and out....so I assume that we no longer need roll calls anymore since we clock in right? wasn't that what roll calls were for?
3/01/2018 04:12:00 AM
Where do you get your info Goof ball. Tact teams swipe too. It’s the bosses you should worry about when it comes to fairness. They should be swiping also.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Homan Square getting ready to start swiping. Say buh bye to those massive ot checks.
2/28/2018 08:13:00 PM
Trust me, the bosses have already figured a way around it. Maybe let the commander override Like they do OB furlos. Give him a bs to from and if you are a @chosen one@ you will get it changed
2/28/2018
No one is that important on this job. Anyones job can be done by any high school grad and that includes all white shirts all the way up to Johnson. Save me your answering emails BS, you're an hourly employee just like any blue shirt. Oh and lets not forget you get paid 3/4 hr overtime everyday to do housekeeping details.
2/28/2018 04:36:00 PM
100 percent correct. Used to hear that bs. He can’t be replaced. Simple answer I gave was” what happened when he was on furlough or medical”. Did the CPD close down? No.
Poor desk crew
They tried this crap before and after a few months it went away. Just roll with it for a bit and this too shall pass.
Keep complaining about Tac guys, you Could be Tac too, just arrest anybody, just once.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Keep complaining about Tac guys, you Could be Tac too, just arrest anybody, just once.
3/01/2018 07:48:00 PM
Ha! You must not work in 024. Those tac guys don’t lock up anybody. They even brag about it. They just bring in blue cards. They’re the guys that can’t make days on the bid so they work tac so they can work days half the year. Half of those guys wouldn’t be on tac anywhere else in the city.
It's TACT. Not "tac"
Where do you get your info Goof ball. Tact teams swipe too. It’s the bosses you should worry about when it comes to fairness. They should be swiping also.
Hey you idiot...since when do you worry about white shirts...they do what they want and are above your paygrade so you dont need to worry about someone out of your league!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What happens when a late swipe is made and no slip is made out? Who is contacted for uncompensated OT? There is documentation.
2/28/2018 12:24:00 AM
Eeoc wage enforcement dividion...
3/01/2018 12:02:00 AM
The swipe system will reinforce that ALL overtime must h
ave prior approval from a supervisor.
Other companies in the private sector have lost thsee arguments with dual time keeping systems. So have companies that violate juvenile employment laws. You have seven years on the statute of limitations. All overtime is required by order here. All reports must be completed by the end of the tour of duty.
24 always was a choicest spot for everyone now shut up and call you’re clouts welcome to R.P. Love the water at Touhy Beach.
All district tact teams should be the first !!!!’n
It's TACT. Not "tac"
Oh, you must be one of those elite, backward baseball cap wearing TACT guys. In my 20 year career I was never cool enough to work tac. Now go home and get your fucking shine box!
I work Tac , will gladly swipe . I wear blue jeans , make arrests , write ISR’s , make plenty of OT in court , cancelled day off for details , work half the year on days . What’s not to like ? Me and my partner lead Tac teams in Arrests and never get refused time due .
So if it wasn't enough for the 019 Dist. to be "Selected" for the Swipe In/Out pilot program (or if you decide to believe the rumor that Cmdr. "Buttlick" "Volunteered Us" much like he did when he was in 014 with the body camera's "pilot program")
So if that was not enough,we were told that the XO,Capt. P.K. is forcing 1st Watch officer's to drive the worst vehicles in the district while 2nd watch drive brand new Ford Explorer's
And less I fail to mention: Officer's assigned directly to 019 who sit on the Mayors residence are exempt from both Swiping and Body Camera's because we all know Rahm is a Firm Believer in Transparency.
Who in their Right mind that is Not already assigned to a north side dist. bother biding into 019? Obviously the City knew this was coming down which is the reason they assigned 19 New Recruits to work Here. Every Car I saw on the 1st watch sheets has a PPO on it!
I $ure hope All this Doe$n't affect Morale.
Front Office personnel: You better use a cloaking device or turn into the invisible man when you try to take that Early Duck. We're Watching. Let's not forget Tact.
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