Swiping Schedule
Here it comes:
This is supposed to be the same system that LAPD instituted...then abandoned after two years because it was impossible to use, amend, or attach to the payroll system. The Department ended up pulling additional officers off the street in order to make corrections to the constant number of errors.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
138 Comments:
Finally mostly everyone has to stay now
We will see.
Wait, what about special units,
Oh that’s right, the haves and the haves not
Now bring in some ISRs
I don’t think so...
We get paid for 8.5 hrs. If I don’t take a lunch, then why do I have to stay for 9?
Just another hassle that will continue to bring down morale. No thanks too Mayor 9.5
Anyone working the desk, lock up, sdsc room, or other inside spot should be taking your hour lunch (since you don’t take radio assignments) and your 2 personals. Down 2 cars to fill in for lunch reliefs. The problem will fix itself.
My kids watch a show - seems apropro to this...
Dora The Explorer: Swiper, No Swiping!
Swell.
The job is no longer fun, no thanks to Mayor Lil Dic and 9.5
What next?
Everybody should swipe in and out. F@%k the clout babies and merit hacks in their special spots. As my old commander used to say, you get paid for 8 you're going to work 8!
FROM CHICAGO TRIBUNE REGARDING U OF C INCIDENT.
Fourth-year student Alex Peltz, 21, a friend who lived in the same apartment building as Thomas, urged the university to provide more resources to students suffering from mental health issues and improve officer training.
“This is a person in the midst of crisis, like a person who is having a heart attack, and our police officers … were so afraid of this scary kid that they had to try to kill him,” Peltz, who’s from Boston, said.
YEP.... Lets compare this situation as the same as a person having a heart attack.... or lets face reality and understand someone running towards you with a metal spike in their hand with the intent to cause great bodily harm is a lot fucking different. 75,000 tuition and a "scholar student", but has no fucking common sense. Good luck with the real world snowflake.
Of course the D unit and the homan square units that abused OT and caused this BS still continue to scam. They are the ones that should be swiping. Isn’t anyone curious why they rarely ever burn time?
bring it on.
my id don't work.
daaaaaa I forgot.
My timekeeper is dumber than a bag of dicks, consistently fucking up the time cards.
At least now she'll have a viable excuse.
The first dumb fuck supervisor that counsels me for my lack of activity regarding 'movers,' and 'ISRs,' will be rewarded with me doing tvb impounds from traffic stops at the last 15 minutes of my tour. 'Sorry boss. I saw a traffic violation and since I took an oath, I had to do the right thing and pull them over. How long will this take? Beats me. The guy is 501 and I haven't done one of those in years. Oh, and since you seem so 'concerned,' I will have you know that I will be checking the money box.'
Those 'Saturation Units,' aka the '4 hour tour, no license units,' are going to have a rough time adjusting. Hard to feel bad for them when many of them arrogantly profess to be 'workers,' yet many of them barely have over three years on the job and couldn't be bothered to stay in their districts and answer radio assignments.
moneymaker.
As if this job is not terrible enough. WTF. And to inflict this nonsense on CPD when the system has failed elsewhere. What a huge waste of taxpayer dollars! Somebody got a big payoff! Or somebody's idiot nephew got a big job with the swiping company!
The end of early ducks.
Anonymous said...
Anyone working the desk, lock up, sdsc room, or other inside spot should be taking your hour lunch (since you don’t take radio assignments) and your 2 personals. Down 2 cars to fill in for lunch reliefs. The problem will fix itself.
4/06/2018 12:44:00 AM
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Buzz, that's an older order there Skippy. It's one half hour whether you receive radio calls or not.
Keep track of your time very carefully, save documentation you are gonna need it to straighten this mess out. How long has this taken 15 years at least
Lunch and 2 personals everyday!
The Area Units (gang enforcement, sat, gun teams) are going to be most effected. You wanted those 10 hour days....see you at 330 am checkoff!
We are the problem. We have gps, in car cameras and mics, bwc, now swiping. The citizens hate us and want to see accountability. We are watched more than any part of government. But the joke is on the citizens because no one is watching the real corrupt people: judges, lawyers, politicians. All smoke and mirrors. Dear citizens, your crime rate in Chicago is about to get even worse if that's possible. Dear bosses, the activity is about to take yet another nosedive.
What about units? Are start times going to change as well? Start times should be seniority bid as well.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The end of early ducks.
4/06/2018 03:43:00 AM
And the rebirth of the late arrest/paper job. Make em pay
In 1993 I was one of many at the first meeting with Kronos. By the end of the meeting the woman left crying. She thought everybody comes to work at 7 and goes home at 3, and we lock the Police station up. We were throwing scenario's at her and she was all confused. There were two more meetings after that when they realized it will never work. I think actually the Police Department has something like 46 official different starting times. Give it a year, grievances will be all over because of lost money on checks....and you'll be back to normal.
Old Retired Guy
It's failed somewhere else, so Chicago is going to make it work?
It would seem successful, proven programs would be more attractive. But I guess with a state's attorney more concerned about her nails and hair, anything might look good.
J.J.
Sounds like a job regular folks have.
Punch in, punch out.
Remember this is only a job.
Give us residency or there will be a mass exodus, hello suburbs!
Aviation has had this for years. Takes a lot of time and paperwork.
Dome bosses spend up to 4 hrs a shift trying to get the guys paid.
If you have lazy bosses your screwed.
By the way, besides spending a ton of money on this, plus maintenance. And upkeep, it's telling us the city does not trust the supervisors who hold roll call, now they are just highly paid time. Clerks.
99 percent of districts don’t have the car numbers to do this. Pull in the lot and hand the car over to another watch and sit in the station for an hour and a half until we can swipe out? Complete joke.
Where’s out new contract already??? What happened to insurance at age 50? Let’s start to worry about important shit like being able to get out of this job with 20 years, a pension and insurance. That should be our focus people. They’re just going to keep making this job impossible to do; isr’s, new use of force policies, screwed up promotional process, bwc’s that record 24/7 and swiping. These things all add quite a bit of stress to an officer’s job. Goal should be 20 years and get out. Actually makes sense for the city as well most officers would never make over $100k a year. City would save money.
Anonymous said...
Anyone working the desk, lock up, sdsc room, or other inside spot should be taking your hour lunch (since you don’t take radio assignments) and your 2 personals. Down 2 cars to fill in for lunch reliefs. The problem will fix itself.
4/06/2018 12:44:00 AM
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Lunch is still only 30 minutes whether you work outside or inside.
That extra half hour stipend is given at the commanders discretion.
(It's just been a practice for so long everyone thinks it's policy)
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The first dumb fuck supervisor that counsels me for my lack of activity regarding 'movers,' and 'ISRs,' will be rewarded with me doing tvb impounds from traffic stops at the last 15 minutes of my tour. 'Sorry boss. I saw a traffic violation and since I took an oath, I had to do the right thing and pull them over. How long will this take? Beats me. The guy is 501 and I haven't done one of those in years. Oh, and since you seem so 'concerned,' I will have you know that I will be checking the money box.'
Those 'Saturation Units,' aka the '4 hour tour, no license units,' are going to have a rough time adjusting. Hard to feel bad for them when many of them arrogantly profess to be 'workers,' yet many of them barely have over three years on the job and couldn't be bothered to stay in their districts and answer radio assignments.
Screw you man, GO SATURATION!
Finally, now all the mother fucker duckers have to work a FULL tour of duty. No more free ride mother fucker. You know who you are !
Tvbs everynight 15 mins before checkoff $$$$
Or at least 4 extra hrs OT every week
Tac will find a scam you better believe it! One car stays and swipes everyone out. Simple as that.
I think the city is really out thinking themselves. Who's gonna wanna work a Unit or Tact or go the extra mile? No perks for consistent good police work and work hours always changing. I think the Watch will be a popular destination for most cops now.
This doesn't stop early ducks. This is not connected to payroll. It's just big brother making sure you didn't collude with Russia to help TRUMP. It's really not that big of a deal. It will go away once the machines stop working like before. Just don't count on your sgts to bury your slips everytime.
Wow 1:27am.....You are a real tough guy!!
So the connected California company that wrote the software for a failed LAPD program got to sell it to Rahm. Makes sense when you think about it. The software was already written and useless. Now it can be sold again. That’s the cycle of socialism in America too.
Hey 12:44 AM..... where do you get the idea that you get two personals every tour? You MAY be granted ONE fifteen minute personal depending on department needs.....try reading the orders.
I give it a couple of pay cycles until, oh oh,mayor, we have a problem.
Cops really are, our own worst enemy. Anyone professing that this is a good idea is an asshole. This is literally going to effect everyone and is a win for the city. But other cops want to applaud it because they never left patrol. So many disgruntled assholes on this job. You reap what you sow.
Sure you want to work Tact?? No more time rewards!!
looks like those people in the sdsc rooms and units will be working more than 6 hours. good.
The rest of the city has been swiping for years. Get over it. It's happening.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Rahn is trying to use the swipe for contracts negotiations.
So, to clarify for non-CPD - it is 2018 and the Chicago Police Dept still uses hand-written, manual totaling on cardboard cards for each officer’s working hours and overtime. Because CPD only hires the best and brightest, civilians were hired to do this job so more police could be on the street. Some of these civilian timekeepers can’t make sense of their own checkbook, no less 200+ officers duty hours, court time, furlough, etc. So now, in order for the officers to get their proper pay, the original CPD timekeeper “helps” the civilian timekeeper. So the job that originally had one person doing the job, now has two . . . And somehow this swiping system will make CPD timekeeping more efficient? HAHAHAHA . By the time they’re done with this new swiping system, it will take four people in each district to do the time cards.
CHICAGO / COOK COUNTY = SHIT HOLE
I’ll be surprised if it lasts thru the summer. All those big events downtown, last minute protests & demonstrations, shootings & crime scenes that pop up right around change time, last minute arrests, dispatch screwing cars close to Check off with involved jobs, JVD trial coming up, etc, etc..... Good Luck City of Shitcago.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The first dumb fuck supervisor that counsels me for my lack of activity regarding 'movers,' and 'ISRs,' will be rewarded with me doing tvb impounds from traffic stops at the last 15 minutes of my tour. 'Sorry boss. I saw a traffic violation and since I took an oath, I had to do the right thing and pull them over. How long will this take? Beats me. The guy is 501 and I haven't done one of those in years. Oh, and since you seem so 'concerned,' I will have you know that I will be checking the money box.'
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Do you honestly think your supervisor gives a shit if you stay late and make OT? Stay late every single night for all we care. Most supervisors would probably commend you for showing the city that if they want to play these games that is officers can play back. But don’t for a second think that as we are driving home and going to sleep that we are going to even give a second thought to you staying late on your TVB. I’m sure after a few days straight of you “showing us how you can get us back,” you will get tired of it and start swiping at the hour with the rest of us.
why is it that every privately owned company can make this kind of thing work with minimal hassle but governmental entities never seem to be able to do so?
Go work in a factory then.this will force our young insecure millenials to become adults and make it to work on time. No more excuses a ok it your police spouse was late coming home or you had to take t huge kids to school. You wanted this job. Wah Wah.
018 is listed at the end of the schedule yet they already swipe....
Wow, look at all the crying going on, it's federal law that if you work an 8 hour shift you must be afforded a 30 minute lunch break or be compensated overtime for that time. I have never seen a copper keel over from starvation in the 40 years on the job, including myself. Ti mbes are changing, if you make a late punch you get paid, but dont make threats like you dont know how to do a DUI. It's your job to know how to do it correctly Junior. It's not your daddy or uncles job anymore.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
We get paid for 8.5 hrs. If I don’t take a lunch, then why do I have to stay for 9?
4/06/2018 12:30:00 AM
Probably because if everybody didn’t take a lunch or 2 15 minute breaks, everyone would want to go home an hour early. Doesn’t work like that. Take your lunch and breaks
Bring it sucker.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anyone working the desk, lock up, sdsc room, or other inside spot should be taking your hour lunch (since you don’t take radio assignments) and your 2 personals. Down 2 cars to fill in for lunch reliefs. The problem will fix itself.
Get real. They have more than enough people inside to cover any lunches or break relief. Next thing you will want is every inside person to take their lunch at the end of their tour
This is supposed to be the same system that LAPD instituted...then abandoned after two years because it was impossible to use, amend, or attach to the payroll system. The Department ended up pulling additional officers off the street in order to make corrections to the constant number of errors
Won’t need that in Chicago. The front offices haves a lot of po’s available
This whole thing's a waste of money. If you can't trust your staff, you have bigger problems to contend with. That said, why piss people off and make them get creating about finagling OT to stick it back to the Shitty?
DOL considers 7 min +/- from your scheduled start/stop times to be de minimus. So if you punch in 7 min early, it rounds up to the scheduled start/stop. If you punch in 7 min late, it rounds back to the scheduled start/stop. DOL justifies this by figuring that there'd be a line to punch in and out...
At 8+ min early, you get that actual time. 8+ min late, you get that actual time.
SO OT starts 8 min after. Leaving 8 min early screws you out of that time.
Things to remember....
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On a lighter note - just because people are 'swiping' doesn't mean they're actually AT the job. I knew a company that worked in many retail stores using workers assigned to the store. The job in the store didn't take all day, so each worker had multiple stores and would check in/out of each store with their handheld PDA at a terminal that'd put the date/time and store # in their PDA, drive to the next, upload the data at the end of day...
One day a store calls the company: We haven't been serviced in a long time, displays look like shit. Company reviews the records - store rep was checking in/out every day... Company calls the store - hey, the Rep (female) is there every day.... Haven't you seen her? They give the store a description based on the photo - "nope, never seen her. We see a guy sometimes...".
Check the description of the guy - it's the Rep's district mgr. Try calling the girl at her phone # - invalid #. Start googling around - turns out she's the secretary of a golf course, lives on the course. Wow. This company doesn't pay that much that someone can live on the golf course...
Long story short: She's fucking the district mgr. He hired her, took her pic at the store to submit to the company system. Every day the dist. mgr would pass that store, and he'd stop in with her PDA and check in and out... Every 2 weeks, they'd split the paycheck.
Both of them went to jail for fraud. But they'd have likely NEVER been caught had the nitwit managed to actually spiff up the displays once in a while (it wasn't a very busy store).... but you know - greed.
Anonymous said...
We get paid for 8.5 hrs. If I don’t take a lunch, then why do I have to stay for 9?
4/06/2018 12:30:00 AM
So just because you have been given some flexibility in choosing your lunch time you now think that you are entitled to take it whenever you want? On top of that you think you can bank it every day to leave early as some sort of F U to the department? Think again susie snowflake. All cars have an assigned lunch time. They just never force the issue. If you are legit busy your whole tour (as in busy districts in the summer), this might be a monkey wrench in the system. You are entitled to be paid for the lunch if you are forced to work through it. I hope the sgts are ready to take on the new task of lunch management as I am sure that is going to be a new requirement when this takes effect. It is already listed as part of their job to ensure that the officers take their lunches at the assigned times or as soon as practical if they were too busy at the time. Now it will become a major concern once it starts costing the city money. So unless you have been busy your entire tour (or at least from your assigned lunch time till the end of your tour) dont count on filling out a slip.
The truth is about 15 minites of time, deal with it and makei It work for you, try backing somebody up on a traffic stop near check off, take that holding the offender call near the end of your shift. Is someone gonna tell you no. Go down on everything nd back. Each other up.
0127am is correct.
Have all the aldermen, except Napalitano and Sposato start swiping. Especially when they meet with their "lobbyists." ♠️
All public servants must be required to clock in and clock out. However, most if not all should also be Salary. But what about "overtime"? When it comes to overtime, well, you don't get it by the hour because you aren't paid by the hour. There must be some kind of protection from abuse, like 24 on call status being 24 hours on and then 24 hours on, right? Right. And what about emergencies like public snapishness or world series games or some other one off happening where time off is cancelled because all hands on deck are required? SO then, what to do.
You clock in and out. And then we have to have scales that are end of year bonus payments - tax EXEMPT bonuses. This is the reward for having your scheduled vacation dusted because hoodrats want to have some 100% off sales. Make these bonuses SUBSTANTIAL so that "management" doesn't abuse the SALARY aspect.
What about the MILKERS who try to access those bonuses by riding the clock a little bit every day? Well, that is the nice thing about clocking in an clocking out - Milkers trying to Milk are easily exposed doing their milking.
Let's face facts here. Cops gotta clock in and out -especially house mouses.
Let's face another truth -there is no way to make Police Work conform to so many other workplace environments. The real truth is that some work just doesn't submit to the union ordered 8 hour work day. Take paintwork for example. Ya can't just stop painting a car at 3:30 this afternoon and come back and start painting again at 7:00 in the morning. The job just doesn't work that way, and on that level neither CAN policing.
Tracking who is WORKING and who is NOT isn't a bad thing, well, to anyone who IS working anyways. Milkers on the other hand, they whine the MOST about anything that exposed their milking, especially that which proves they aren't doing their jobs or even being there on the job when they are supposed to be.
So be PROUD you are On The Clock, because it is proof at least you care enough to actually SHOW UP to work.
nonymous said...
As if this job is not terrible enough. WTF. And to inflict this nonsense on CPD when the system has failed elsewhere. What a huge waste of taxpayer dollars! Somebody got a big payoff! Or somebody's idiot nephew got a big job with the swiping company!
4/06/2018 02:25:00 AM
I have seen no proof that this is a system that has failed elsewhere
plenty of places have implemented electronic timekeeping quite successfully. these are places with tens of thousands of employees. some work from fixed locations, others from home, sometimes a mix of both. sometimes they work in different locations at different times. they don't seem to have trouble making it work, and very cost effectively too. why can't the city make it work?
If it’s the same system that failed miserably for LAPD then it makes perfect sense for CPD to jump on it.
Follow the money.... there are palms getting greased.
With everything going on you are better off working the full tour, unless you want to be fired or have your freedom taken away! they will never get me you say! so many way better than you have been "caught" and the bosses as usual skate away unless your exempt you are known as "easy pickings!" There is a unit not giving to much away that IAD visited awhile ago that when they go in they use their ID to get into the garage and leave the garage, showing timestamp and coppers face and license plate number, and covered in HD cameras that IAD has access to 24/7 watching coppers come and go, the commander from there knew it was coming as he was told and he retired about 2 years ago before the shit storm that is about to happen is opened up!
To the coppers noticing the copa goofs by the 26th street many are watching this unit also, going into garages and watching also, you have to be insane to do this today! On the other thread we are talking about IRS in 005, if your caught and did not know or are found not guilty you still have to pay the money back and up to 75% interest and get audited, but here when your caught you cannot deny plausibility what did we learn many years ago "prima fascia evidence" Evidence on it's face!
Dismiss this ok just trying to let you know this is not "your fathers police department" anymore! No more of the breaks, you will not only be fired but prosecuted it is not worth it where else can you get a job paying this great salary for doing what we do? ahh doing what we do really supposed to do is to relax, take your time,don't chase.write paper get paid anything else proactive blame no one but your self!
s said...
Of course the D unit and the homan square units that abused OT and caused this BS still continue to scam. They are the ones that should be swiping. Isn’t anyone curious why they rarely ever burn time?
cry me a river leave the units alone if you actually did some work or knew how to study you would be in a unit or a detective...and yes ive done both i was in a unit and i made detective and i came on the job not knowing anybody and not kissing ass! i also burned plenty of slips thats why i only have a hundred hours after 15 years! now i wear a white shirt so I will be swiping with you buddy hopefully one day I can get back to a unit :-)
I hate to say it but it's long over due. I think we all know why. Stay safe
....What a huge waste of taxpayer dollars! Somebody got a big payoff! Or somebody's idiot nephew got a big job with the swiping company!
4/06/2018 02:25:00 AM
A ghost payroll is a even bigger waste of money. Just a beat cop here.
The definition of insanity- doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
Are we to believe the Kronos system is dead or just for civilians?
Don’t be surprised -
The mighty house mouse ducks might be exempt...overrides per DC.
(Should be paid less than a street patrol beat officer too)
This looks like a cluster as far as timekeeping goes with the system balance sheet with those overrides and amended A &A’s, because somebody is going to forget their card in their other pants pocket, destroyed in the warsh, dog ate it, and sure as shit...I was robbed.
One thing for sure the positions as Watch Secretary and Timekeeper are safe, plus 4 assistants and 3 backup relievers per Watch.
This system will work no matter what the cost or depletion of Beat manpower.
Where’s the trust?
So if everyone stays 15 extra minutes a day they will realize how much this is going to cost them. Once its costs money, it will stop. They don't realize how much we give them. But since they worry about a few minutes, we can worry about a few minutes. 15-30 mind s a day for a month or two. It will be worth the cost to us.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Tac will find a scam you better believe it! One car stays and swipes everyone out. Simple as that.
4/06/2018 08:16:00 AM
It’s not simply swiping a card.
You also have to stick your hand into the reader.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Tac will find a scam you better believe it! One car stays and swipes everyone out. Simple as that.
4/06/2018 08:16:00 AM
Are you a mob guy? Going to cut off fingers for the print? are you willing to be caught on camera then prosecuted and put in prison? Sorry not happy but will swipe not going to risk this job for stupidity kid!
Anonymous said...
Aviation has had this for years. Takes a lot of time and paperwork.
Dome bosses spend up to 4 hrs a shift trying to get the guys paid.
If you have lazy bosses your screwed.
By the way, besides spending a ton of money on this, plus maintenance. And upkeep, it's telling us the city does not trust the supervisors who hold roll call, now they are just highly paid time. Clerks.
4/06/2018 07:21:00 AM
Kind of interesting you say that, not just aviation the coppers at airports, the cameras, the plate readers, oh my another scandal coming! In this day and age how stupid can you be?
where there is a system there is a workaround. predict winds up paying lots of overtime to fetal police. Great deal.
Your dreaming about 20 years and insurance. Not living in the real world are you.
Would save a lot of money if patrol was outsources. You clock in and clock out. Any overtime has to be approved. Real simple. For sure do not need POs wasting time keeping time sheets. Just quit hiring connected workers. Find someone with brans rather then connections.
nymous said...
Cops really are, our own worst enemy. Anyone professing that this is a good idea is an asshole. This is literally going to effect everyone and is a win for the city. But other cops want to applaud it because they never left patrol. So many disgruntled assholes on this job. You reap what you sow.
4/06/2018 08:50:00 AM
So....are you on gang, tac, or saturation?
Before this happens get a copy of your 2017 and 2018 time cards from timekeeper. Go thru and audit your cards.
The only constant in life is change. The sooner you accept that the fact the sooner you might be able to cope with things. Adapt or go away you skill set is not what is needed or tolerated in todays world. May not be right but it is the way things are. But I will tell you this there are not very many 100k jobs in the private sector for people with your education or skill sets. And damn few with your benefit and pension package, so either learn to adapt or go away.
So glad I retired before they began this practice feel somewhat guilty because of all the theft of service committed over the last thirty years, oh well time to submit my taxes...
Swiping in and out is not the issue. It’s the fact that the units responsible for abusing and causing the time management scrutinization in the first place, don’t have to fucking swipe! Not too many “undercover sgts” in the districts last time I checked. The sad part is this will only destroy the morale more than it is now if that’s even humanly possible.
Do you honestly think your supervisor gives a shit if you stay late and make OT? Stay late every single night for all we care. Most supervisors would probably commend you for showing the city that if they want to play these games that is officers can play back. But don’t for a second think that as we are driving home and going to sleep that we are going to even give a second thought to you staying late on your TVB. I’m sure after a few days straight of you “showing us how you can get us back,” you will get tired of it and start swiping at the hour with the rest of us.
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Take it easy boss. You obviously do care after that boring post. Why is it then that I have had Captains and Lts in my career look like they were going to have heart attacks when I have had to do late arrests? You must not have a lot of time on the job, but management always gets scared when it comes to o.t. I never said I would do late tvb's to protest swiping. That is your own poor reading skills that led you to that stupid conclusion. I said that if I was counseled for lack of activity then I would do last minute police work to carry me into over time. Call my bluff if you want to. Just make sure you have your hat in your hand, and your chin down, when you get called into the commander's office. In the future, try to pay better attention when reading comments before you have a spazz and make yourself sound like an idiot.
Anonymous said...
Wow, look at all the crying going on, it's federal law that if you work an 8 hour shift you must be afforded a 30 minute lunch break or be compensated overtime for that time. I have never seen a copper keel over from starvation in the 40 years on the job, including myself. Ti mbes are changing, if you make a late punch you get paid, but dont make threats like you dont know how to do a DUI. It's your job to know how to do it correctly Junior. It's not your daddy or uncles job anymore.
4/06/2018 10:22:00 AM
So I can be fired for not knowing how to do a DUI quickly? Lol. Shut up you jackass. It's not a threat it is a promise if I get harassed by a boss for lack of tickets or ISRs. This isn't their daddy or uncles department either. You can't force me to do activity and you can't force me not to do activity at the end of my shift. God, we have some retards on this job
Anonymous Anonymous said...
s said...
Of course the D unit and the homan square units that abused OT and caused this BS still continue to scam. They are the ones that should be swiping. Isn’t anyone curious why they rarely ever burn time?
cry me a river leave the units alone if you actually did some work or knew how to study you would be in a unit or a detective...and yes ive done both i was in a unit and i made detective and i came on the job not knowing anybody and not kissing ass! i also burned plenty of slips thats why i only have a hundred hours after 15 years! now i wear a white shirt so I will be swiping with you buddy hopefully one day I can get back to a unit :-)
4/06/2018 02:26:00 PM
Thanks for your resume. I’m sure your mom will be proud of you after you tell her to read your post.
I think the city is really out thinking themselves. Who's gonna wanna work a Unit or Tact or go the extra mile? No perks for consistent good police work and work hours always changing. I think the Watch will be a popular destination for most cops now.
***the watch popular destination? No thanks. When I first got off the watch I realized how remarkably stupid some of the characters on the watch are. Working with old timers was always a pleasure but keep the 3 year wonders the fuck away. Even tho the watch supervisors were truely amazing people and the work wasn’t bad, it still wasn’t worth staying. Somehow I’d get stuck working with a non-rational-thinking young dummy. Best thing I ever did was get off the watch. I suggest the same. Watch would be amazing without the hard charging, liberal raised idiots.
Signed,
Do your taxes for $500 guy.
cry me a river leave the units alone if you actually did some work or knew how to study you would be in a unit or a detective...and yes ive done both i was in a unit and i made detective and i came on the job not knowing anybody and not kissing ass! i also burned plenty of slips thats why i only have a hundred hours after 15 years! now i wear a white shirt so I will be swiping with you buddy hopefully one day I can get back to a unit :-)
4/06/2018 02:26:00 PM
Sounds like you didn't do much work as a detective if you only have 100 hours on the books. Doing work doesn't get you in a unit as much as knowing the right person does. However, the "unit" you were in was probably MSF or some other nonsense. You can't be too bright if you actually want to be in a unit nowadays, unless you're talking about one where the sergeant doesn't have to do much. I'm curious to know why you think certain units shouldn't have to swipe along with everyone else. There's really no justification for your position. The only reason you'd support them not swiping is to hide the fact that they're not really working the hours they're getting paid to work. Nobody on this job is doing anything so amazing or important that they should be compensated for time they didn't spend at work. If swiping is happening, it should be for everyone.
Ghost of Policeman Past said...
Hey 12:44 AM..... where do you get the idea that you get two personals every tour? You MAY be granted ONE fifteen minute personal depending on department needs.....try reading the order.
4/06/2018 08:40:00 AM
Hey Ghost of a computer tough guy. Two people per Car means 1- lunch and 2 personals combined. Try understanding the order.
it's federal law that if you work an 8 hour shift you must be afforded a 30 minute lunch break or be compensated overtime for that time
That is only sort of true. There's also a state law that says something similar. But they only apply to private employers and not to government employers.
us said...
why is it that every privately owned company can make this kind of thing work with minimal hassle but governmental entities never seem to be able to do so?
That's because the private sector employee can just get up and leave on time. Whereas with police officers you Can't just leave a call for service or stop your paper assignment because it's time to go home
BLEED THE BEAST.... If I do not have anything do after work, and am forced to work till the last second... Sounds like there are gonna be some unavoidable arrests on the way to check off AIN't NO CRIME, TILL OVERTIME
The really damaging part of all of this is the fact that district personnel’s morale and desire to do the job will be even further diminished. You think activity is low and animosity amongst each other is shitty now? Just wait till after 15 July. Distrust and feuding among the ranks will get even worse. Coppers with under 5 years on were always considered “kids” who knew nothing. That remains true today, but it’s getting worse. It’s because guys with actual time on don’t want to teach them anything because they know proactive policing is beyond dead. There’s always been a slight rift between coppers and supervisors. No type A personality likes to be told what to do. But now a days this animosity comes from the fact that no one trusts the promotional process at all. Bull shit merit, or cheating is the only way guys have been promoted in the last 5-10 years. It’s a terminally ill dept located within a corrupt, brain dead city. You have less than 10 years on, resign and find another career. Unless you don’t value your life or your family’s lives whatsoever.
Although I am no friend of swiping, all I have to say is it better include EVERYONE in EVERY unit, especially those like front office help. I would also expect that once this is tied to payroll, they will be able to take the timekeeper out of the front office and put him/her back on the street. Also, the only thing that the w/c should be doing to the A&As is putting in the car #'s, and elective time off, as the system will know when you are at work and the hours you worked, or if you are RDO. \sarcasm
Why keep fucking with patrol?? It’s just coppers who want to do their tours with as little problems as possible and go home on time. Their not putting in slips and padding the shit out of them like OCD. Be real about it!
So guys in the districts have to suffer and be scrutinized because narcotics is filled with the greediest bunch of people on the planet? Don’t even mention the soft as puppy shit detectives that have less than 5 years on, but are on agg batt and homicide teams. Their filling out OT slips daily, but at the same time have a >13% clearance rate?!? How is that possible?? And NO ONE IS HELD ACCOUNTABLE for that clearance rate either.
The idea is so stupid for our type of work but it is something Rahm is pushing that is why he is bringing all those overpaid civilians into 35th St. They have no clue that people start at different times every day or what coppers do for a living...................another waste of resources for nothing
It’s unbelievable. If this city knew how to do shit the right way even a little, they could actually clean some shit up. Patrol is NOT the OT abusers. Not even close. Patrol has year long 24 hour “wire tap” cases going that literally produce nothing? No, thats OCD’s bull shit hustle. Patrol locks up a kid in 011 for selling to a UC an hour before their tour ends and needs the whole team to stay late? No, that’s OCD’s bull shit hustle. It’s all so fuckin hilarious...
Rahm way to stick in your ear. Or stick in the swipe machine. Look into who works for the swipe machine company, then tell us it will not last. Welcome to your new Eight hour day. Eight for eight. Now swipe you fool!
I guess that there is not much confidence in the on duty sergeant, lieutenant, captain and commander within each district. Just saying...
And guys will still be falling all over each other to work tac. But really it’s because snowflake coppers on tac today think their on “live pd” and honestly believe the kind of soft ass work they do is considered police work. They are truly apart of the change...
What will we need a Sgt for? Check off is at the time clock now
The a/a will be legit no more covering anyone
The city will lose. Nickle and dime them. If you stay late 15 minutes put In those slips for overtime!
Anonymous said...
The city will lose. Nickle and dime them. If you stay late 15 minutes put In those slips for overtime!
4/07/2018 12:55:00 AM
There shouldn’t be anymore slips if we’re all swiping in and out. The city will be nickel and diming itself to death. There won’t be anymore taking care of you tomorrow bullshit.
Hubermans father has the swiping machine parts contract.. follow the money
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The city will lose. Nickle and dime them. If you stay late 15 minutes put In those slips for overtime!
4/07/2018 12:55:00 AM
Ummm....Except all OT must be authorized in advance. With a hero like you who does absolutely nothing, that approval may be tough to get. Late arrest? No problem.... but then again, you may actually have to do some measure of police work.
'...The idea is so stupid for our type of work but it is something Rahm is pushing that is why he is bringing all those overpaid civilians into 35th St. They have no clue that people start at different times every day..."
It is not rocket science...its a time clock and payroll system...swipe in- swipe out... get paid for the hours at work. Enter any exceptions with reason via drop=down box....am certain some fcking computer can be programmed to make it happen, less sure city will hire qualified people as timekeepers or pay for required system.
Anonymous said...
The city will lose. Nickle and dime them. If you stay late 15 minutes put In those slips for overtime!
4/07/2018 12:55:00 AM
Yes, I can hear the wheels turning now with all of the ways people are thinking up to get overtime. But, if the city puts into place any of the policies that private industry has been using for years, it will be harder then you think.In most places there are covert pinhole cameras watching the time clocks, if you punch in/out early or late without authorization there are penalties and the time cards are looked over by managers.
Just don’t swipe, just like the cameras - there is no punishment connection at least as of yet - don’t turn the camera on - what’s the punishment going to be!?!?! Especially if the clock isn’t tied to payroll - who cares - it will be challenged!!!!!
The best was in the 70s to 90s and still going on today as far as I know Narcotics only works days Monday to Friday because they said that by Friday afternoon all the dealing is done till Monday morning. HA, HA, HA and that was their hours. The best is that they got to take home cars because if the left them around the station the dealers would know that they were undercover cars. HA,HA,HA.
CFD only swipes in. Why are CPD swiping in and out then?
Maybe the FOP could chime in here with a little direction.
Anonymous said...
The first dumb fuck supervisor that counsels me for my lack of activity regarding 'movers,' and 'ISRs,' will be rewarded with me doing tvb impounds from traffic stops at the last 15 minutes of my tour. 'Sorry boss. I saw a traffic violation and since I took an oath, I had to do the right thing and pull them over. How long will this take? Beats me. The guy is 501 and I haven't done one of those in years. Oh, and since you seem so 'concerned,' I will have you know that I will be checking the money box.'
Wow you are really going to show them!!! Have fun swiping Francis!!!
Do you honestly think your supervisor gives a shit if you stay late and make OT? Stay late every single night for all we care. Most supervisors would probably commend you for showing the city that if they want to play these games that is officers can play back. But don’t for a second think that as we are driving home and going to sleep that we are going to even give a second thought to you staying late on your TVB. I’m sure after a few days straight of you “showing us how you can get us back,” you will get tired of it and start swiping at the hour with the rest of us.
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Take it easy boss. You obviously do care after that boring post. Why is it then that I have had Captains and Lts in my career look like they were going to have heart attacks when I have had to do late arrests? You must not have a lot of time on the job, but management always gets scared when it comes to o.t. I never said I would do late tvb's to protest swiping. That is your own poor reading skills that led you to that stupid conclusion. I said that if I was counseled for lack of activity then I would do last minute police work to carry me into over time. Call my bluff if you want to. Just make sure you have your hat in your hand, and your chin down, when you get called into the commander's office. In the future, try to pay better attention when reading comments before you have a spazz and make yourself sound like an idiot.
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So I can be fired for not knowing how to do a DUI quickly? Lol. Shut up you jackass. It's not a threat it is a promise if I get harassed by a boss for lack of tickets or ISRs. This isn't their daddy or uncles department either. You can't force me to do activity and you can't force me not to do activity at the end of my shift. God, we have some retards on this job
4/06/2018 06:11:00 PM
digital tough guy wont sign his name to this post. prove me wrong.
Let's take a system that's been proven not to work and institute it here.
It's the Chicago way.
That's because the private sector employee can just get up and leave on time. Whereas with police officers you Can't just leave a call for service or stop your paper assignment because it's time to go home
You obviously have no clue. Are plenty of private-sector employees who cannot just get up and leave. Yes there are some that can but plenty of guys go out on service calls to repair a furnace in the dead of winter and they have to finish before they can leave. Most of these guys are on electronic payroll systems and have been for years. It isn't all that complicated. And it's usually a whole lot less error-prone than paper system. I can't understand why anyone objects to it.
digital tough guy wont sign his name to this post. prove me wrong.
4/07/2018 11:33:00 AM
Lol. Yeah okay. If I did then that would make me as dumb as you are. Sorry you got owned on the board junior. Keep doing ISRs and being a company man. You can continue to speculate as to who I am, and I will continue to speculate what fast food franchise you flipped burgers at before you conned your way onto this department. Signed your mother.
That's because the private sector employee can just get up and leave on time. Whereas with police officers you Can't just leave a call for service or stop your paper assignment because it's time to go home
You obviously have no clue. Are plenty of private-sector employees who cannot just get up and leave. Yes there are some that can but plenty of guys go out on service calls to repair a furnace in the dead of winter and they have to finish before they can leave. Most of these guys are on electronic payroll systems and have been for years. It isn't all that complicated. And it's usually a whole lot less error-prone than paper system. I can't understand why anyone objects to it.
So, you're comparing the job of a repairman to that of a law enforcement officer. You obviously have no clue. Times up troll.
It's easy. Scan in. Scan out. I'm confused why there is so much negativity. Can't leave early anymore ? Sorry. Can't show up when ever you want ? Sorry
Scan in scan out. City and County been at it for years.
Anonymous said...
Why keep fucking with patrol?? It’s just coppers who want to do their tours with as little problems as possible and go home on time. Their not putting in slips and padding the shit out of them like OCD. Be real about it!
4/06/2018 08:52:00 PM
193 is the place to be, we got guys who kill them in OT and no one knows what they do for it. Life is good.
Anonymous said...
Why keep fucking with patrol?? It’s just coppers who want to do their tours with as little problems as possible and go home on time. Their not putting in slips and padding the shit out of them like OCD. Be real about it!
4/06/2018 08:52:00 PM
193 is the place to be, we got guys who kill them in OT and no one knows what they do for it. Life is good.
Corrupt department, nothing to see here people.
Where is the FOP and what are they saying, if anything, about swiping?
Just don’t swipe, just like the cameras - there is no punishment connection at least as of yet - don’t turn the camera on - what’s the punishment going to be!?!?! Especially if the clock isn’t tied to payroll - who cares - it will be challenged!!!!!
4/07/2018 08:40:00 AM
Umm, not sure where you're getting your info, but you can absolutely be disciplined for not using the in car or body cam. As far as swiping goes, it's not the act of swiping that people are concerned about. They just don't want to work a full 9. Whether you swipe or not, you'll still be there with everyone who is swiping. You think you just get to leave whenever you want because it's not tied to payroll? When the inspectors start showing up to see who's swiping and who isn't, you aren't getting a free pass. Or do you think they're instituting a swiping policy without sending inspectors out? Feel free to choose not to use your cameras or not swipe in or out, but don't cry on here or to the union when you start taking days for it. Accept the fact that you'll be working 9, suck it up, and stop worrying about ways to get around it. Wait for it to fail miserably, and then maybe you can leave early.
Our finance section is screwed up, if the city really wanted to save money they would cash out your time on books everytime chou get promoted.just record the hours as possible. Then when you get promoted that pay grade gets a record etc. But I'm glad they are dumb, I left after 39 yeArs with 4,500 hours at Sergeants pay. Thank you very much. All 4,500 paid at about $57.00 and hour plus BFD, P-days and Furlough. 2017 Caddy sure is nice.
So I can be fired for not knowing how to do a DUI quickly?
4/06/2018 06:11:00 PM
Yes. Your question is really "can I be fired for incompetence?". And again, yes you can. However, it is not very likely that they would take the steps towards that just for being slow on a dui. But they are in place. But also, the "I haven't done one in years" defense (in the earlier post) might get you a pass as far as the dept goes but it will not stand in any civil action against you. The public absolutely does expect us to know our jobs and.... i know this is asking a lot..... but be competent in our duties as well.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Where is the FOP and what are they saying, if anything, about swiping?
4/07/2018 10:47:00 PM
What can they really say? We don’t want our members to put in an 8 hour day.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Where is the FOP and what are they saying, if anything, about swiping?
4/07/2018 10:47:00 PM
What can they really say? We don’t want our members to put in an 8 hour day.
4/08/2018 11:57:00 AM
Only a fucking moron would ask a question like that. Sadly that person is a voter in both union and governmental elections.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The best was in the 70s to 90s and still going on today as far as I know Narcotics only works days Monday to Friday because they said that by Friday afternoon all the dealing is done till Monday morning. HA, HA, HA and that was their hours. The best is that they got to take home cars because if the left them around the station the dealers would know that they were undercover cars. HA,HA,HA.
4/07/2018 09:02:00 AM
And there ain't nobody that can change us tough guy, so MYOB.
9 for 9....
Where is the FOP and what are they saying, if anything, about swiping?
4/07/2018 10:47:00 PM
What can they really say? We don’t want our members to put in an 8 hour day.
4/08/2018 11:57:00 AM
Just another idiot that wants FOP to hold his hand throughout his career.I guess a 9 hour day really means a 9 hour day. Welcome to the real world.
What can they really say? We don’t want our members to put in an 8 hour day.
4/08/2018 11:57:00 AM
You mean 9hr day... yea maybe swipping in is a good idea
This shall pass. They tried this already with Kronos. Never worked right then they dumped the program. I bet that this vender is connected and once they make their money and give their kickback in the form of a campaign contribution then they will shut it down.
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