California Insanity
- California wants to change their legal standard from the “reasonable force” rule to “necessary force,” according to the Associated Press.
They define "necessary force" as force used when “there were no other reasonable alternatives to the use of deadly force.”
This initially seems close to the old standard, as they both require reasonableness. However, it does not allow for the officers to use force based on how circumstances appear to them at the time. Instead, it allows the officer to be judged in hindsight if the force was actually necessary.
For example, if a suspect pulls a pellet gun on an officer, they are not actually presenting a deadly threat. The officer would have no reasonable way to know that the gun isn't a lethal firearm, but under the new law, they could be charged if they shoot that suspect.
This law would also appear to apply if somebody pulled an unloaded gun on an officer, or drew a malfunctioning gun. In these circumstance, unbeknownst to the officer, the suspect is not actually presenting a deadly threat. If the officer reasonably responds by shooting that person, they could be criminally charged.
Get out while you can.
Labels: info for the police, out-of-state
posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
51 Comments:
Meh--- becomes "reasonable termination" vs "necessary termination"... I am glad I have started my transition process to become a computer coder; got about a year and a half left to go
Never gonna happen. Police lobby owns Governor Jerry Brown.
What idiot would volunteer to be a policeman under those circumstances ?
I don't care if there offering 500k/year, you can't spend money when you're dead.
Pure insanity upon these so-called legislators..Like SCC said,get out while you can..I'm so f#@king happy I'm retired.
This is just crazy. If this goes thru a robbery suspect that sticks up a store with a fake gun and gets shot by the police, the officer goes to jail and the suspect wins the ghetto lottery
I guess they won't have any body becoming Police soon.
If you thought body cams, car GPS, and the ISR were trickbags, ya'll ain't seen nuffin yet!
-- Love, The Police Hating Democrats
Would be nice if California broke off the map and ended up part of N Korea. Dear Leader Kim will welcome them and all they have.
Yet police in this city continue to vote, and run blue not red, just like that goof sergeant from 012.
Funny how you don't hear about ANY BLOW BACKS from, Oh I don't know....ANYONE....Jeez, California sure is Fucked Up....
(OT) downtown again nice values:
Group Attacks 2 People in Violent Robberies, Chicago
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/robberies-south-loop-river-north-chicago-478958013.html
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/man-34-beaten-robbed-in-south-loop/
They said they got some of the animals,guess tommy will be making extra pizzas until say tomorrow when they are released into the Wild to kill and maim again! Downtown is just another “you bet your life” area! Again Rham what are you doing?
Which goof sergeant from 012? There are so many.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Sounds like you can only shoot if fired upon. Guess they’ll just have you buy better body armor to protect yourself from gunfire. Ballistic helmets to be worn also.
Just stop being the Police until those damned communist democrats start crying for Police help. Let their criminal "constituents" have at them for a few days.
The Police motto across the nation is "To Protect & Serve". Protecting and serving those that hate you is ridiculous. See how fast pension funds and retirement benefits get fully funded when liberal politicians start becoming victims of their own constituents.
J.J.
Every major city/state run by a democ"RAT"ic majority is broke beyond reason.....Yet there has not been any investigation at any level that has put one (1) scumbag in prison..... That has got to be an issue that should be at the top of every police officers concerns? Why is it that this continues on with no investigations......could it be that the foxes are in charge of the henhouse.........Solving this financial issue could lead to better training and more police officers which is really the underlying problem here.
your right , these fools will still vote democrat, just like the fools in this city
AI(artificial Inteligence) will be the only solution. Humans make mistakes and cant predict things.
Protect your family and fuck everyone else, liberal society has no use for the police me think the politician should become the police since they know all the answers. Remember your life means shit only the criminals matter.
The second guessers are always so much more qualified to judge than the actual decision in a blink of an eye makers.
Yet, somehow, these more qualified second guessers are never found making those blink of an eye decisions.
A perspective founded upon a willful misperception of reality, as in, this be the world of perfection.
The fact of the permanence of the consequence of action in this misperception of reality is willfully both ignored and denied.
This is what you get, when submitting to the judgements of idiots.
Convincing proof of the truth here is the existence of second guessers and their fervant insistence upon imposing their misperceived judgements upon others.
The insanities within the minds of the cowardly know no boundries.
The fear of the inevitable drives them into retarded madness.
Pitiful would they be, were they not so insistently determined to fuck up their own wet dreams.
California's one fucked up state !!!!!
force is NEVER necessary if you are willing to forego an arrest ... so is that the standard? just say it then ... say it
word games really. If the force used is reasonable, then, by definition, it is necessary
As I understand it the law does not do any of the bizarre things being claimed. it only reduces the circumstances in which deadly force is allowed to be used to ones in which police reasonably believe there is a serious risk to life as opposed to just minor resistance or other cases whether there is not much in the way of risk to any innocent person (including the police). It does not really change much other than taking away the use of deadly force as a way of making an arrest.
I love working in a central Illinois County where everybody goes to the county jail and there’s just enough real crime to keep you on your toes. Plus, most residents are republican and stand for law and order. So glad I left Chicago behind.
The recent Police shooting in New York with the guy holding a pipe like it was a gun,Second guess the Police? Have you ever heard of a Zip gun.
California Gov Brown offers, Police psychic hotline. LMH...
$3.99 per minute.
Officers phone psychics prior to going to work. Q. Will I be confronted with a criminal pointing a real gun?
Also agree, . . not gonna happen.
Police here in Kalifornia are protected by state law.
It's really hard to prosecute them.
One of the few good things about Ca.
Also the prison guards union is really powerful in Sacramento.
Then this kid from this liberal fucked up state knew her kid was a mental and blames the police more typical nonsense, but then again this so called prestigious school lol put this kid in jeopardy with his thesis right? so blame the schools and the professors it is in their lap! Lesson learned here is let these snowflakes "act out" don't call the police let them freely "express themselves"
Mother of student shot by U. of C. police had worries about his mental health
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-charles-thomas-university-of-chicago-20180405-story.html
Next time mom make sure you "drug him up" properly your fault also mom!
I have never seen him act that way … I have never seen anger like that,” Kathleen Thomas said by phone from Northwestern Memorial Hospital, where her son was being treated. “He was under pressure trying to get his big bachelor’s thesis done, but this is beyond a stress break. He was saying things, according to his friends, that just did not make sense, which makes me think there’s definitely some psychological issues going on.”
* So we have a political science goof, who smoked marijuana wonder was this the synthetic type where this kid will be bleeding from the eyes and nose and other places?Absolutely no sympathy from here mom your "failed parenting" is to blame,thank almighty God the copper was not hit by a car or taken a fall and injured of was killed the police officer should of not retreated who teaches this "acting stupidly) (barrys word) anyway?
then over here we have this ingrate pos whose husband did absolutely nothing to "make America great" except for furthur bastardize police officers saying this:
Michelle Obama: My husband was 'the good parent' compared to Trump
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/381946-michelle-obama-my-husband-was-the-good-parent-compared-to-trump
Hmm moochelle you went on how many vacations with your daughters costing taxpayers hundreds of millions and remember your daughter moocheele caught smoking dope at music fests yep your really a great parent,and look how classy Melania looks compared to your "ghetto fabulous" nonsense you made the white house look like a frat ghetto party zone with the hip hop gang bangers having parties! real classy so happy your era of destroying this country from within is over President trump may not be the best but the man is trying. Barry your husband had so many companies leaving and unemployment up while now with Trump many are employed in good jobs, happy you and your "momma" who took advantage of the taxpayers by living the full 8 years with her fatass getting feree housing,food travel nice job moochelle please just go away!
I’ll comment on the videos I saw out of New York and California this week.
New York - The pipe looked like a gun to me and numerous times the assailent held it like a gun and pointed it at victims like a gun. He was terrorizing citizens and menacing police with it. Guess what? Expect to get shot, asshole.
California - Sneaking around in the shadows and breaking into property is a criminal act. Doing it long enough that the police have time to task a helicopter with observing the criminal tells me “you ain’t too bright”. Both the body camera and helicopter footage shows the criminal moving towards the cops while they took a protected position. I cannot really ask the dead guy what his intention was, but it was not to surrender.
Bonus comment on U of Chicago shotting. That cop was running backwards to create distance between himself and the criminal. When the kid wouldn’t stop closing on the cop, he got shot. Hopefully the kids parents are smart enough to realize their deranged offspring caused the altercation and forgo suing the university.
That kid’s lunatic rankings were caught on body cams - funniest shit I’ve heard all week. At least Chicago's “normal” criminals say cool shit like, “You shot me, bitch!” when they get extra orafaces. Which is itself sort of funny, because if someone has just shot you, aren’t you their bitch??? I don’t know how the rules work - not my culture.
Basically, you may not shoot someone, you may only return fire.
Anyone wanna bet this increases the response time on domestics 300% and 1000% on man-with-a-gun calls?
Worked 28 years as an L.A. County Sheriffs Deputy. When I joined up in the 80’s, California law enforcement was the highest paid, best trained, and very well respected. Now law enforcement in California is a total joke. The unstoppable wave of liberal politicians starting in the 90’s has irreversibly ruined this once great state. It is no surprise to me that this terrible policy is being not only implemented, but hailed as great by politicians and their lackey chiefs and sheriffs alike. Chicago ain’t the only place where Department executives despise their hard-working cops.
BTW, Governor Moonbeam hates the police.
I thank God every single day I finally made it to retirement.
So glad I’m putting CPD in my rear view mirror very, very shortly.
You know BLM and “the community” will try and bring that ridiculousness here.
ATTY: "Your Honor, my client shot the police officer because the he was scared for his life. Had the police man shot my client instead of simply pointing his weapon at my client trying to assess if my clients gun was real, then my client wouldn't have shot the policeman. So its the police officers fault he's dead, my client is the victim."
Judge: "you're free to go, now go out and enjoy life young man"
(Audience applause)
That's not how the Law would be written. It's basically you can't shoot if you see a shiny object anymore. Then you could be held accountable. Not for pellet gun look alike or replica gun, that's just stupid.
http://wgntv.com/2018/04/06/mom-of-student-shot-by-u-of-c-police-says-shes-worried-about-his-mental-health/
WE ARE DOOMED
Would be nice if California broke off the map - yes, it would and sunk into the ocean
To "never gonna happen police lobby owns Gov Brown"....you stupid fucking libtard! He just pardoned 5 illegal immigrant criminals and delayed their deportation.
Graham v Connor should supersede any state law. I imagine the appeals process for any copper jammed up by this would be short.
A Reasonable function of the brain is to have a Necessary response to a stimulus.
If you lack that function, you can’t do your job.
We are dealing with bad guys, they don’t get the benefit of the doubt.
If there was one thing Calif legislature should have known or likely ignore is...
why won’t these bad hombres just put their hands (for real) up and give up?
There’s no jail in California (just like Chicago).
There’s no penalty, no consequences or financial burden.
Cant these people just give up, get there I-Bond and car, property and be on their merry way in about 3 hours max and that’s for the most serious of offenses.
The Elected Californicators lack the Necessary brain function of thinking within the scope of reason, logic and accountability.
There is something seriously wrong with the majority of the Calif population.
They certainly seem to be on the wrong side of law of the land and rooting for the violent armed feral packs.
Beyond just the land of the fruits & nuts.
LEO’s across the country need to sit back and let the feral takeover until this “home rule” bullshit ends.
Maybe there will be more anonymous CCW adjudications to dispatch the upticks.
Putting these elected idiots in jail for their own crimes of ignoring laws is a start.
Didn't Eddie say something about "hindsight" with regards to the Rialmo/Copa letter??
Ps wake the fuck up boys & girls and get on FOPs azz that this nonsense isn't in our contract(s)
Anonymous Anonymous said...
(OT) downtown again nice values:
Group Attacks 2 People in Violent Robberies, Chicago
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/robberies-south-loop-river-north-chicago-478958013.html
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/man-34-beaten-robbed-in-south-loop/
They said they got some of the animals,guess tommy will be making extra pizzas until say tomorrow when they are released into the Wild to kill and maim again! Downtown is just another “you bet your life” area! Again Rham what are you doing?
4/06/2018 06:04:00 AM
This is happening constantly everywhere the "Gold coast" "muggers mile" shootings,robberies,stabbings it is just not worth it playing this game "will you be the next victim?" Rahms values again on display! "If I had a son" the barry chronicles!
worked 28 years as an L.A. County Sheriffs Deputy. When I joined up in the 80’s, California law enforcement was the highest paid, best trained, and very well respected. Now law enforcement in California is a total joke. The unstoppable wave of liberal politicians starting in the 90’s has irreversibly ruined this once great state.
Pete Wilson Republican served as Governor from 1991-1999, Schwarzenegger 2003-2011. Nice try but reality doesn’t jibe with your false narrative
You have to be a simpleton or a criminal to want yo get involved in this shit anymore.
Tell De Niro to stay out of Mt. Greenwood.
I don't know how you cope with this bullshit every fucking day.
Which goof sergeant from 012? There are so many.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
You are so right, like the 3rd watch midget who sits on a phone book, but the goof in question is RG for Congress. Thankfully for the citizens he lost. Sadly for us he lost.
Anonymous said...
To "never gonna happen police lobby owns Gov Brown"....you stupid fucking libtard! He just pardoned 5 illegal immigrant criminals and delayed their deportation.
4/06/2018 03:58:00 PM
Okay, first I am not a "liberal". Second, most law enforcement in CA do not favor going after illegals. Try investigating even the most basic crimes, in an immigrant neighborhood when everyone is afraid of ICE. Someone will get raped or stabbed in a street in front of 1000 people and 'no body seen nothin'. Beat cops going after illegals may work in pumpkin-nuts, Iowa...but not in a State that touches Mexico and has 40 million people.
Anonymous said...
http://wgntv.com/2018/04/06/mom-of-student-shot-by-u-of-c-police-says-shes-worried-about-his-mental-health/
WE ARE DOOMED
4/06/2018 02:55:00 PM
I believe that his psych issues are a result of a lead deficiency. He should probably feel much better now!
Pete Wilson Republican served as Governor from 1991-1999, Schwarzenegger 2003-2011. Nice try but reality doesn’t jibe with your false narrative
Actually, Pete Wilson was a good governor, Schwarzenegger ran as a Republican, but governed as a democrat, so peddle your uninformed, liberal opinions elsewhere, snowflake.
Pete Wilson Republican served as Governor from 1991-1999, Schwarzenegger 2003-2011. Nice try but reality doesn’t jibe with your false narrative
4/06/2018 11:32:00 PM
So, the state's governor is the only elected government office?
No state legislature?
No state judiciary?
No local governments?
Just the governor, as supreme dictator of all who shit, piss and puke within the state's boundaries?
California......Ainrofilac......Boing!!!!!
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