CFD Patrols?
What idiot came up with this?
- Hey SCC Huge Fan of your insignificant Blog!
I'm a fireman up North and last night we had a surprise visit from the Commander of [XXX]. The purpose of his visit was to plot out with our Chief the routes the CFD would be "patrolling" in [XXX]. Were hearing from all over the City the CPD Brass is pushing for the use of CFD personnel to have a presence on the street during shift changes and in times when CPD is overloaded (which I suppose is all the time).
I'm not sure what our duties will be because, of course, we have heard nothing about this from our bosses. I guess we'll find out soon. Keep up the Good Work.
So unarmed firefighters, driving rigs that cost many hundreds of dollars per hour to operate, are going to pick up the "slack" during shift change? Wow. Why not garbage trucks? Or how about the street light crews up in their cherry-pickers? Good sight lines up high.
All of these parties are going to be deputized? Given handcuffs? Trained in the Use of Force? Indemnified?
All of these parties are going to be deputized? Given handcuffs? Trained in the Use of Force? Indemnified?
Labels: dumb ideas
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
118 Comments:
All hands on deck! now don't forget the bwc.
Give them the mental disturbances.
The beginning of the crossbreed.
Their turn....now we sit and wait for a call.
Please tell us what district. I have an idea or two as to which moron it could be.
Indemnified... WTF is that ?
Oh yeah, that's what everyone but the police is.... indemnified.
Whoever came up with this has to be out of their mind. This is a joke, right? Is this a game of,pick out the false statement? Where do they find these people who come up with this shit?
Mike Masters tried to get the approval to be deputized and it didn't work. The little weasel quit and cried all the way home. This will not work for fire.
Trucks require a lot of maintenance and gas. I'm sure this is idea is going taxes payers good.
Chicago is doomed. Doomed I say.
This is what happens when you end VRI
Midnight Cowboy Commander?
Why go "up North" and run this idea past fire?
Presence in what form and for what purpose?
Am I a clown? Do I make you laugh?
This is a joke, right? Who thought this up, Adam Collins or Rahm and Ana Valencia's compromised husband, along with Becky Carroll's husband, who will be charged with circumventing the city of its own ethics statements? You people better be careful, as should Rahm. You're all in clear violation of laws that he, himself, adopted when he took office in 2011.
And Rahm, since Gugliemi is reading this, you better realize that none of these people will fall on the sword for you, the way that Sorich and the rest did for Daley. The reason? You've never been loyal to anyone but yourself. You told McCarthy that when you were going to become President in 2016, you'd take him with you. You fired him because he was a "distraction," but you were the distraction. You're done in this town.
Your duties during CPD shift change will be squirting the bad guys and blowing the siren to scare the bejesus out of them.
Stop complining. You can have my gun and I’ll take your schedule.
Dont forget about the "sensitivity" training!!! And also...Get a Positive Community Interaction Event Number! HAHAHA What a fucking city we have.
Doesn't surprise me. They used them on Safe Passage sites, remember?
100% true. Watch commanders of each watch in these south side districts have to formulate routes and areas for each firehouse located in their districts.
File this under HYSTETICAL !!!!!!
Finally! Let them drive around under the guise of patrolling for fires. How many coppers on midnights discover fires and make saves before CFD arrives? If they want a "me too" clause in their contract, let them get out of their racks and kitchens and do something for it. Might lose their precious one-on, two-off, oh well. As far as taking action, how about a department issued cellphone to call CPD and make a report. That's basically what we're reduced to anyway.
A real dumb idea. Just like those safe passage fools in their vests being considered an effective crime prevention tool. This brainstorm musta come from the bowels of the University of Chgo CRIME Lab. Bwahhhhh hahhhhh hahhhhh.
Ever Dist is down officers no money to paid them we CPD are down 2,500 time to move
ok, can I get my 30 at the firehouse?
Sounds like the city is falling apart
Man the water canon like they do in Chiraq and do a drive by at the dope spot
Well......You know that EVERY citizen LOVES the Firemen. So, maybe the powers that be just thought they could ride around the Hood and wave at the folks and kids to put a smile om their faces....THUS.....Calming down the urge to SHOOT....
Maybe they can “patrol” downtown restaurants areas:
he vehicle was described as having a smashed grill and a broken driver’s side window. It was last seen going east on Ohio Street, police said.
Police described the robber as a black man, between the age of 18 and 25, wearing a black hoodie and a blue baseball cap.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/quartino-restaurant-robbed-at-gunpoint-in-river-north/
What’s this description not just of vehicle but black thug? What is this coming to? This is really incredible is googleme finally seeing the light?
This is almost like the Safe Passage program but instead of keeping kids safe from bullets, CFD will now have to keep kids with bullets away from CPD.
Doesn’t CFD and CPD come under the title of Public Safety officers now?
The streetlights crews are too busy making our city look like on big, black spiderweb.
We have to drive around between calls looking to prevent crime why not have them drive around between calls looking to prevent fires rather then enjoying themselves in the fire house. Maybe we should relax in the station and only leave to answer calls.
OT. SCC did you miss the fable in the fibune a cpl days ago about women incarcerated? Nonsense about when women are incarcerated; the whole family be incarceratized. Not a word about consequences for criminal acts. Total Liberal Snowflake nonsense.
Don't forget, back in the 60s, fire dimmed Quinn purchased a truckload of m-1 crannies for the fire trucks. In addition, CFD bosses can write parking tickets. When I came on the job, one of them used at least one book a month
Why not have the mayors detail/uber squad be on active patrol while they're waiting to pick him up:
This is a GREAT idea! Just hose off all the dope corners! Fire that hose up and blast the dope boys down to the next block! No deadly force, but might be effective! LOL
Right after I'm done eating my bowl of chilli.
The great chicago fire that wasn't.
Sure doesn't sound like something you would expect to see in a "world class city" , a place visited by over a " million" tourist a week, Will they be on bicycles built for 5 because we wouldn't want to expose them to all that unnecessary diesel fuel vapor.
Maybe it's VRI with a twist,"cars on citywide, hook n ladder truck # 25 responding in civilian dress". Axes weren't designed to win gunfights and fire hoses with bullet holes tend to make the job more difficult.
Must be contract time for CFD or maybe we have a cpd commander that was probably over exposed to lead as a kid and has a suppressed fantasy to see fire trucks in motion.
If there is any substance to this rumor,idea or bonehead thought, it is that the core of it originated from a desperate and uneducated attempt to address a crisis.
The fires are not in the streets, they're in the halls of the 5th floor.
Maybe they should be patrolling around the airport throughout the country waiting for a call from Southwest Airlines this is the third incident concerning Southwest what is going on with our maintenance program? No wonder why they call Southwest the greyhound of the sky;
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6281427/southwest-airlines-flight-third-emergency-landing/
When you have an airline where people are treated like they were are being forced into a cattle car grabbing seats where are they can you kind of wonder what the maintenance program is like? No wonder why Southwest Airlines is rapidly discounted fares they keep doing this if I have nobody flying them it will meet the same fate as midway airlines did in the past when they went out of business!
And a fire truck will stop a carjacking? Please explain in your to-from report.
Just axin
The fire dept is our friends. Quit bad mouthing them. They do a job that we don't want to do and would not want to do under the best circumstances. We come to their aid just as they come to our aid.
You bitch that they have a better schedule? Maybe they have a better union? Maybe our union should get off their dead asses and do something for us for a change. Negotiate better!!
STay safe.
Every single city worker should be deputized and armed to the teeth...
nonymous said...
Finally! Let them drive around under the guise of patrolling for fires. How many coppers on midnights discover fires and make saves before CFD arrives? If they want a "me too" clause in their contract, let them get out of their racks and kitchens and do something for it. Might lose their precious one-on, two-off, oh well. As far as taking action, how about a department issued cellphone to call CPD and make a report. That's basically what we're reduced to anyway.
5/14/2018 05:05:00 AM
Maybe you are basically reduced to only making a report. CFD still responds to any fire and must do their jobs. There is no slacking off for CFD. CPD has the option of doing nothing. What a complete joke to have a fire truck driving down high risk areas for what? What are their options? Call in a noise disturbance? Drug deal? Will gang members run from CFD? NO! This is all fake high visibility. Squad cars with lights on, CFD trucks with lights on driving down streets. I am sure the residents will feel safe? This is a act of desperation by Rahm.
will cops be required to carry Dalmatians in their vehicles??
I like fire trucks
Anonymous said...
Finally! Let them drive around under the guise of patrolling for fires. How many coppers on midnights discover fires and make saves before CFD arrives? If they want a "me too" clause in their contract, let them get out of their racks and kitchens and do something for it. Might lose their precious one-on, two-off, oh well. As far as taking action, how about a department issued cellphone to call CPD and make a report. That's basically what we're reduced to anyway.
5/14/2018 05:05:00 AM
Don't be hatin' LOL You had the same opportunity to take the test like everyone else.
A typical "tower ladder" (i.e. crane on wheels) costs about $1 mil., and gets roughly 2 miles to the gallon. To have it on patrol is ridiculous. What are the firemen supposed to do if they see a crime in progress? Call it in and then what? Stick around until a beat car arrives? Hold an offender? And if they get a call while waiting for a beat car, then what? I think of the expense (often a waste) and cumbersome maneuvering responding to a simple inhalator call just to wait for an "ambolance". If a dual purpose is what the City wants, they'd get more for their buck by putting snow plows on the front of fire engines than making firemen into unarmed cops.
How about just making people accountable for their actions
I think this will work well for the city. This way the firefighters can get jammed up and the city will form COFA and get rid of a bunch of firefighters too. Then they can hire more $200,000.00 mayoral aids and whatever and make the city go broke twice as fast.
WHAT COMEDIAN COMES UP WITH THIS CRAP?
They will be driving around looking for gunshot victims and hell they will probably find a few
Maybe they could get those “Safe Passage” parents to do some patrol.
Rahm is paying those parents about $14 an hour to do very, very little.
I smell a grievance. FOP?
All disturbances with mental should be CFD jobs.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
100% true. Watch commanders of each watch in these south side districts have to formulate routes and areas for each firehouse located in their districts.
File this under HYSTETICAL !!!!!!
5/14/2018 04:43:00 AM
Why only the South Side?
The ghetto districts already have the majority of police resources at the expense of “quieter” non ghetto districts.... so why wouldn’t the “quieter” non ghetto districts also benefit from CFD patrols??
Wake up Sheeple... and make some noise. Hold these scumbag politicians accountable.
" Stop or I'll spray you with water"
That will show em!
Let me get this straight: Fire Ax or Pike Pole vs. Gun! No thanks.
Stupid fucken idea's. This is what you get when we have unprofessional merit bosses on the job. Just stupidity period............
I love my firemen brothers and sister but seriously, it’s two different jobs. Don’t they get paid extra if they acquire extra skills.
Good thing i put in for a slow house in a good area after 22yrs in busy houses! Can't wait to get out of chicago!
Justice is lost
Justice is raped
Justice is gone
Pulling your strings
Justice is done
Seeking no truth
Winning is all
Find it so grim
So true
So real
Good idea.
Chicago does not have the big fires anymore.
Now they use the big red trucks to do ambulance runs.
When they show up they just stand around like S&S guys,
and wait for the real ambulance.
I don't understand why they get paid to sleep & eat.
They need some fresh air in their lungs.
ATTENTION ATTENTION all Fire Dept personal. You are now required to obtain a Conceal & Carry permit, purchase a weapon, and make a citizens arrest when you see a incident while on patrol.
Let's hope one of our news channels and the Trib or Times puts this out for our citizens to know about. Explain Rahm what is this cost the city in fuel and wear & tear on the fire trucks.
How about postal carriers. Then they could charge the offenders as federal agents - maybe those charges would have more weight. Lol
Nobody is taking the police test anymore, if you the repeat takers.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Ever Dist is down officers no money to paid them we CPD are down 2,500 time to move
Down 2500? Time for you to wake up
Garbage trucks seem appropriate...always considered this job kind of a human garbage collector. Didn't they do this shit with Safe Savage a couple of years ago ("it's for the children").
You mean to tell me the 12500, ( I mean 8300 ) Police Officers that Chicago has isn't enough???
Hopefully the CFD boss told the CPD boss to pound sand. I’m not going out to fight fires. I don’t have the equipment or knowledge. Likewise, I would expect the CFD union to fight this if it’s true. I hope no CFD personnel get hurt in this buffoonery.
This is part of the fire departments use of force model. Their mere presence will make any pending fires compliant and not ignite
The Inmates are running the asylum
my guess is just another attempt by rahm to look like he is doing something. there are a lot of city employees who are out and about already like garbage truck drivers who probably would report a crime they saw happening in front of them.
rahm should take credit for the garbage patrol too.
Give them more ambulances and let them handle all of the “mental” calls. Or “refuses to take meds.” More appropriate for Fire to respond then Police.
Hahaha a firefighter has the balls to complain about doing OUR jobs? Don’t get me wrong, this idea is about as brilliant as selling ice cream in the middle of the desert, but how many times do they refuse to go to jobs a night? How many calls do they say “nah we aren’t rolling on that” or pester us to deal with a nonsensical removal or medical call. Shit rolls down both sides CFD, it just took a little longer to get to you. Remember this the next time you are refusing to ride on a job because the chilli might burn.
sounds like rahmys.... at act of desperation .. vallas got it
How about patrolling the "gold coast" which is infected with animal savage behavior, and now they release the video gee what took so long? Does that less than 15% clearance rate come to mind?
Video released of suspect in beating near Lake Shore Drive on Gold Coast
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-lake-shore-drive-attack-20180514-story.html
For everyone bitching about fire driving around why not? They are working and getting paid the same or more than police, the ambo crews work hard now with so few fires putting these men and women to better use to serve the public would be welcomed! Think about the "bodies on the ground" they car roll up on and give quick care! I work downtown and soon with this being the start they will be on 12 hour shifts 1 on 1 off,in order to save the city money and not sleeping and getting paid which actually makes sense! What prodded this? just look at the big idiot that works at the firehouse and grabbed the female paramedic with behavior like this maybe working instead of relaxing will help them to be more relaxed!
kind of like when fire refuses to go and we have to go on the call. Then we end up calling fire anyways. Been going on for years. As in Die Hard, WELCOME TO THE PARTY...
So, if the city does this, is it basically admitting it has failed on the 1,000 officer promise? Is it an admission they have lost control of the city? When a fire hero gets shot "patrolling", how big will the payout be? Very stupid idea.
So, if the city does this, is it basically admitting it has failed on the 1,000 officer promise? Is it an admission they have lost control of the city? When a fire hero gets shot "patrolling", how big will the payout be? Very stupid idea.
What a dumbass idea. The savages will not change their criminal ways at the sight of a fire engine. The only thing that will stop them in their tracks and make them turn and run is the sight of a CPD cruiser rolling up into their personal space.
Sounds like a New Deal - WPA Program idea, but not for the putting deadbeats on a payroll.
Seinfeld episode suggested police carry around a broom and dustpan and sweep up during lulls.
Hardly any lulls anymore, even 1621 is the official assist Beat in 016 for Sector 30.
(BTW, what ever happened to OEMC screening frivolous calls for service?)
Here’s the New Deal:
Have Fire wash down Lower Wacker and various other pissbum thug corners around the clock but mainly after 0001 hrs.
That used to curtail the drag racing on Elston and on Clybourn Streets quiet after midnight (until the affluent took over).
Sts & San can go around sweeping up the broken bottles and chip bags, etc, maybe recycle the brass casings since there’s no point in emptying the empty trash cans, again after 0001 hrs.
The City the Works - while the entitled feral play.
Make Rahm Great Again Tour begins with plenty of good optics.
Don't forget, back in the 60s, fire dimmed Quinn purchased a truckload of m-1 crannies for the fire trucks. In addition, CFD bosses can write parking tickets. When I came on the job, one of them used at least one book a month
Many moons ago my partner and I curb some CFD boss, the stop went south pretty quick as soon as my partner insisted on seeing his DL and ins. CFD boss starts naming CPD bosses at 35th/Mich, partner writes him a mover and we wish him farewell. We come in for checkoff and my partner is "strongly encouraged" to toss the ticket and just let it go. Partner was fuming. Wish we had cameras back in the day to expose the corruption. When it comes to parkers there no reason for CFD boss to enforce any city ordinances that is what Police Officers are for. What's next, instead of booters we'll have Dept of Finance personnel making arrests for none paid parkers?
Listen guys, just got word from FOP and the Mayor’s Office has requested that police now drive around with a bucket of water in case we drive by a fire. Additionally, the water levels of the buckets will be measured before and after each tour, to make sure none spilled and if it has, the department will be issuing you and your partner a citation for reckless driving.
This is a City Hall lackey brainstorm. Its election time, expect anything. The politicians are touting this as extra eyes and ears on the street. Each Watch Commander on every shift has to come up with a designated route for fire services to walk through the community unless the route requires them to utilize an apparatus. This initiative will be on all watches. Each commander is being told to pick the best route for each firehouse within the district, and at what times they are to be out in the community. Fire will not be taking any enforcement action, just calling crime conditions in on their radio for dispatch to the police.
Maybe the City can piss away more money and force CFD to hand out free smoke alarms and fire extinguishers in the hood. More freebies and handouts. They'll probably have to raid the police and fire pension funds to pay for the added freebies. I wonder if CFD will have to pull positive community interaction event numbrrs to put on the humper they will have to complete while strolling the hood.
Might want to think about installing a shotgun rack on your trucks. You just never know when some good targets of opportunity might pop up. My other advice is any fire in community, just let it burn.
Bet the CFD union will have something to say about this.
Don't forget the Amazon drivers, lot of them around these days.
Won't that interfere with their nap and pinch/tickle times?
Hopefully the CFD boss told the CPD boss to pound sand. I’m not going out to fight fires. I don’t have the equipment or knowledge. Likewise, I would expect the CFD union to fight this if it’s true. I hope no CFD personnel get hurt in this buffoonery.
5/14/2018 11:59:00 AM
Tsk, tsk, tsk! Non-compliant CFD white-shirts will henceforth be reported as non-team 9.5 players to CFD-COFA, the twin of CPD-COPA!
will cops be required to carry Dalmatians in their vehicles??
5/14/2018 08:32:00 AM
Sounds good! Can always use the help on third watch. We will notify OEMC that we are riding in a three-pooch car! Ba-dum-dum!
Remember, stay fetal, stay employed!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
So, if the city does this, is it basically admitting it has failed on the 1,000 officer promise? Is it an admission they have lost control of the city? When a fire hero gets shot "patrolling", how big will the payout be? Very stupid idea.
He hasn’t failed yet. There are 600 in the academy as we speak.
For everyone bitching about fire driving around why not? They are working and getting paid the same or more than police, the ambo crews work hard now with so few fires putting these men and women to better use to serve the public would be welcomed! Think about the "bodies on the ground" they car roll up on and give quick care! I work downtown and soon with this being the start they will be on 12 hour shifts 1 on 1 off,in order to save the city money and not sleeping and getting paid which actually makes sense! What prodded this? just look at the big idiot that works at the firehouse and grabbed the female paramedic with behavior like this maybe working instead of relaxing will help them to be more relaxed!
Maybe we could sit in the stations and watch TV, work out, eat and on midnights sleep. When a call comes in on your beat you could then be notified and respond. If in winter on midnights and it’s quiet you could sleep all night. Works for me
The bucket idea is a good one. In the community the bucket should be filled with gas. Burn baby burn.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
How about patrolling the "gold coast" which is infected with animal savage behavior, and now they release the video gee what took so long? Does that less than 15% clearance rate come to mind?
Video released of suspect in beating near Lake Shore Drive on Gold Coast
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-lake-shore-drive-attack-20180514-story.html
Had the call be dispatched when it occurred there was a good chance he could have been located and arrested. With the outfit he was wearing Stevie Wonder could have found him. Hey man, “How did you know it was me?”
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I love my firemen brothers and sister but seriously, it’s two different jobs. Don’t they get paid extra if they acquire extra skills.
5/14/2018 09:42:00 AM
They sure do
CFD guys are to smart to get on board with this stupidity. Looks like desperate times are calling for desperate measures. Idea won't get past the CFD union. Talk about a dangerous job getting much more dangerous. Double pension rights? Double salary one as CFD one as CPD. Maybe just maybe the CFD could be talked into it.
Not as many merit hacks in CFD to fall for this idea. this is an idea with no merit whatsoever.
The fire dept doesn't have weapons,if the scene is unsafe well yes we need the ARMED police.
They did something similar last summer by parking water department cars around the city to deter crime
I seen 'To serve and protect' on a street sweeper today. It's starting!
He hasn’t failed yet. There are 600 in the academy as we speak.
5/14/2018 07:36:00 PM
That's some funny shit!
Rahm hires hundreds, as thousands retire.....
He hasn’t failed yet. There are 600 in the academy as we speak.
5/14/2018 07:36:00 PM
Dude, you have fallen for 9.5's phony talking point about "adding" one-thousand police officers. The words "adding" and "replacing" are not synonyms. 9.5 wants you to be solely focused on the foot-traffic entering the academy. Check the back door. It is labeled "Stand Back. Be Careful. Retirees Usually Run Out This Door In Groups Of 2-3 At A Time." There is so much outgoing traffic the door hardly ever closes.
Come on guys it for the children!
If cfd is on the street who will stir the chili?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
CFD guys are to smart to get on board with this stupidity. Looks like desperate times are calling for desperate measures. Idea won't get past the CFD union. Talk about a dangerous job getting much more dangerous. Double pension rights? Double salary one as CFD one as CPD. Maybe just maybe the CFD could be talked into it.
You are talking nonsense. Double salary, double pension rights? Give me a break
No way your not fucking with my nap time!
Mayor's Office: they (CFD) sit around all day, watching TV, or lift weights, not even doing paperwork, while being paid good money. And when they get tired, they sleep in those beds we provide them, so they've lots of free time to do stuff. It's actually not a bad idea. CFD can scout for fires while on patrol, reducing response time, and build their relationship with the community. Brilliant! You get a gold star!
"" Anonymous Anonymous said...
The fire dept doesn't have weapons,if the scene is unsafe well yes we need the ARMED police.
5/14/2018 08:18:00 PM""
You dont get to call a "time out for Police" when the bullets are flying.
Happy ducking.
Send a CFD pumper truck to street disturbance gang loitering calls. A short blast with the water cannon, problem solved.
To the person who thought this up...."Your a real asshole"!
The fire dept doesn't have weapons,if the scene is unsafe well yes we need the ARMED police.
5/14/2018 08:18:00 PM
They will be armed with an ax. Wait a minute, is an ax a weapon? Their rules have me a bit confused.
Many moons ago my partner and I curb some CFD boss, the stop went south pretty quick as soon as my partner insisted on seeing his DL and ins. CFD boss starts naming CPD bosses at 35th/Mich, partner writes him a mover and we wish him farewell. We come in for checkoff and my partner is "strongly encouraged" to toss the ticket and just let it go. Partner was fuming. Wish we had cameras back in the day to expose the corruption. When it comes to parkers there no reason for CFD boss to enforce any city ordinances that is what Police Officers are for. What's next, instead of booters we'll have Dept of Finance personnel making arrests for none paid parkers?
5/14/2018 03:53:00 PM
Hope you band your partner are long retired or fired. You sound like a pair of assholes.
This happened after 9/11, too.
If there’s one service that screams to be privatized it’s Fire Service. Current CFD bloated top heavy bureaucracy There’s corporations that can come in make it a paid on call service. They can rehire the current force at 15 bucks an hour. Save Billions .
Starting in 2019 the Fire dept will start to deliver for Amazon.
Useless anyways, they need to ride around and pass out smoke alarms so I can buy them from the folks in the hood fir 2 bucks a pop.
So let's take an axe to a gun fight?
If there’s one service that screams to be privatized it’s Fire Service. Current CFD bloated top heavy bureaucracy There’s corporations that can come in make it a paid on call service. They can rehire the current force at 15 bucks an hour. Save Billions .
5/15/2018 07:57:00 PM
Yep. I sure do want a 15 buck an hour cretin responding to my neighbors fire trap going up in a blaze.......yep, that would be a lovely experience.......why, I might even get to run my water bill into the thousands of dollars that month, if I still have a house to live in.......
Cross train the hose pullers , put all cfd on 12 hour shifts , days of sleeping , running a business , working out making $85,000 a year should be over . Let them patrol , check apt.buildings for working smoke detectors , building violations . Get rid of do nothing building inspectors.
Hey squad give me a community interaction number here at the firehouse!
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