Earned? THIS is EARNED???
What's different about this list of "merit" sergeants? (click for larger version)
That column on the far right? "Within Nominator's Command." That's a new one - is this some sort of end-around for the "merit" board that seems to violate its own rules every time a new list comes out?
And that third column - holy shit! "Places Skipped in Line." They had to skip over 2,000 more qualified candidates for Gorman, Johnson, Knezevich and Vargas and nearly 3,000 more knowledgeable people to promote Darko. Under 4,300 took the test and passing was something like 58%. Was this guy dead last on the list? He spelled his name correctly on the scantron sheet and then bombed the test? We hope everyone who took the test notices how badly you can do, and still be deemed "meritorious" by a Board completely made up of "merit" supervisors.
How the fuck is Dana Alexander going to justify this "merit" person handling (God forbid) a police shooting? Yeah yeah, he'll be inside somewhere safe from harming any street copper - unless he ends up in the chain of command someday making an actual decision. What actual skill set does this, or ANY of these FOUR-DIGIT line skippers have that the Department can't possibly do without? Why even have a fucking test?
"Earned, Not Given....Unless your name is Darko and you can have Deputy Chief Dana hand you a spot."
And that third column - holy shit! "Places Skipped in Line." They had to skip over 2,000 more qualified candidates for Gorman, Johnson, Knezevich and Vargas and nearly 3,000 more knowledgeable people to promote Darko. Under 4,300 took the test and passing was something like 58%. Was this guy dead last on the list? He spelled his name correctly on the scantron sheet and then bombed the test? We hope everyone who took the test notices how badly you can do, and still be deemed "meritorious" by a Board completely made up of "merit" supervisors.
How the fuck is Dana Alexander going to justify this "merit" person handling (God forbid) a police shooting? Yeah yeah, he'll be inside somewhere safe from harming any street copper - unless he ends up in the chain of command someday making an actual decision. What actual skill set does this, or ANY of these FOUR-DIGIT line skippers have that the Department can't possibly do without? Why even have a fucking test?
"Earned, Not Given....Unless your name is Darko and you can have Deputy Chief Dana hand you a spot."
Labels: promotions, un-fucking-fucking-believable
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
211 Comments:
This is terrible
Just gotta pass Part 1 and put your name on Part 2, when you know you're merit material.
SCC, The guy Fred Waller put in did not even go through the interview process. How about Joe look at that one
Fuck these merit assholes. Over 2,900 people who are more deserving. Fuck you!
The Chief's always get their picks!!!!!
They must do a great job at knowing who is who. I'm sure that's how they became Chief.
It's all on the up and up don't forget that ;)
Keep chasing cars and fleeing offenders. Let me know how that all works out for you! When you retire I hope your knees hold up, especially running on uneven pavement with 30 to 40 pounds of uniform equipment. You get hurt no one cares, you leave less than 100 percent because of working no one cares. LOL!
HOLY FUCK !!!!! I didn’t study 5 fucking minutes for part one or part two and still out scored most of these slugs. I couldn’t help but notice how bad Gorman the goof did. Earned, not given.
This is proof that the supervision on the department is unqualified to lead.
Simply embarrassing!! Why did the FOP ever agree to merit picks without having some sort of requirements? Especially the large percentage of merits allowed per class. The citizens of Chicago should be even more outraged for having to pay the bill for the lack of supervisional competence than the officers that have to deal with being stepped over due to not having the right last name. Disgraceful!!
It's all legit! Typical politics within corrupt city politics. Makes me laugh when you hear white shirts say "we're a para military organization" yeah right! So much B.S. that goes on. 13 months!
AC was in 009 when Chung put him in for merit. Chung was moved shortly thereafter.
You shouldn’t even be considered for a merit promotion if you couldn’t score in the top 1000. Maybe top 1500 if you were shot and almost died or if you committed an extreme act of selfless heroism. Between COPA and merit bosses, this department is doomed.
Knezevich is more than qualified to be a Cpd Sergeant. He knows his shit and nobody will be pissed off once he's their Sgt.
It’s not what you
Know
It’s who you
Know
What a disgrace!!!!
Merit promotions in general are pay to play or who you know/sleep with....it’s pathetic.
I wasn't there but I heard thru the grapevine at one sgt.'s test, the proctor stated after the first multiple choice part, " if anyone knows they are being made meritorious you can leave the test now." I guess you only have to take the first part if you know you are golden and get to violate the old shakman decree. It's all legit. I wish it was like the old days when you could just pay for the fucking job. But I guess it still is , since the merits will always owe someone somewhere and eventually debts get called in, justice be damned, right mrs. koschman and so many others.
I still want to know how Bonnie Amado gets a detective pick. What criteria did she use?
Disgraceful. They owe it to the legit people to go to atleast 800 to make up for that bullshit. 2000+ spots passed up. What was their original rank, 3000? Do they know how to read or write? Ridiculous.
The only thing you can do is shake your head and sigh. Unbelievable.
For the record, Cabral was nominated by Cmdr Chung when he was under his command in 009. Missed the bite last time around.
Give a listen to the audio of Gorman on the radio before he and the guys from fugitive pulled bobble head out after he got shot. Best of luck TG well deserved!
This department is sick! So many cops tested so much better than these merit goofs
Slightly off topic - under 4300 took part 2 . The number of officers who sat for part 1 was way higher. Maybe close to 9000. We do have plenty of idiots who failed part 1.
Why is it that only the 019th district have to swipe in and out? Everyone else does not need to.
SCC, you're dissing Knezevich without anybody so far saying a negative thing about him. The 4th District lost a Serbian Sgt (Vujic) who retired recently. Knezevich is merely replacing him. After all, Rahm is all about being fair and making the department reflect the city. Lots of Serbs still live in the city, especially the 4th District.
This is the way it is in the Sheriffs Office. By law. The Sheriff only has to promote the number one scorer on the test. The rest on the list get promoted at the Sheriffs discretion. So stop yer bitchin. It could be worse.
PS. I'm not talking about Dart here either.
O'Well maybe next time? I should have spent more time sucking up to whoever it takes to EARN a shot at earned not given.
I used to right a parker every now an then, not a chance of that now. This department and city can kiss my ass. All of you merit assholes can grab a ticket book and EARN not GIVEN your paycheck.
2,955 that has to be a new record. Congratulations, at least you set some kind of record. Can't wait to work for you, you stupid fuck. Sorry about the stupid fuck comment it would seem the stupid ones were the ones who studied for the test thinking it was fair. CPD is filled with this kind of leadership and the sad part is they really think they earned there spot. Now get out there and wright some paper and save the City and make me look good.
PS, go fuck yourself you stupid fuck!
HAHAHA I love transparency for the merit process! Next step should be disclosing which traits made the nominee worthy of a merit promotion
Finley seems to be the only acceptable merit pick. The rest are too dumb to take orders from.
I get the point of the post and do agree with it. But having said that, I have to defend Tom Vargas. A great cop and a better person. Also was Alex Valadez partner for a couple years including the night Alex was tragically murdered. An intelligent, hard working cop who has dealt with what none of us hope to ever have to deal with on this job. Sometimes merit is given cause of who you know but sometimes merit is earned by the sacrifice and pain this job can inflict on a cop as a human being and his family. Tom is the second part of that statement. He has more then earned his bump.
Clout is a beautiful thing! their chance of making sgt without clout was slim to none. Nothing but more dummies as leaders.
TV - shameful .
just another slap in the face. as a lowly citizen i can't see the value in any merit pick period. book smart AND street wise is the only way to go. the ass kissers surrounding them self's with more ass kissers can only hurt the whole organization.
endless lawsuits against CPD and nobody has learned a fucking thing.
Hope American Airlines don't start using this Chicago model for their pilots.
J.J.
What the FUCK, Over....How can some of these people even show their heads after this....
Good name for a band . The Four digit line skippers . AKA , the Unfab four.
"Earned, Not Given....Unless your name is Darko and you can have Deputy Chief Dana hand you a spot."
Labels: promotions, un-fucking-fucking-believable
DC Dana has saved many a copper their job and prison time when in the deepest of shit, he da bomb...
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Pay attention to Mayor losing FOIA battle with Trib.
Next will be the McDonald shooting.
This now opens doorway for city state or Federal investigation on your personal
cell phone.
If you have sent or received any work related matter via your cell phone. It is open season on your private phone. Along with any other items that may be on the same phone.
Get a burner for work.
From someone trapped in FOIA and watching this going down.
Did they publish that place in line column for some kind of morbid transparency, or did someone screw up?
This is fucking crazy and pathetic all at the same time! I study my ass off and do well and these merit hacks get promoted.
Darko is an extremely qualified officer, that I'd be happy to have my back any day.
You shouldn't talk if you don't know him.
Knezevich is more than qualified to be a Cpd Sergeant. He knows his shit and nobody will be pissed off once he's their Sgt.
^congrats on the promotion sarn’t.
Did Supercop make the list? What happened to the clout, brown nose, and activity per month categories? I guess that’s one way around a cheating scandal.
Get the printer and laminator fired up. More special parking spot sign are in order.
“This a not the best way for the FOP to start a relationship with the new head of COPA and the new head of the Police Board, but that’s their call,” Johnson was quoted as saying in an emailed statement. Special, got no street cred, can't get right, kidney fed ed johnson's response to the FOP plannned protest.
Doesn't this half wit realize they are one in the same, hand picked from his puppet master's narrow ass to exact his revenge on the Police...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Knezevich is more than qualified to be a Cpd Sergeant. He knows his shit and nobody will be pissed off once he's their Sgt.
5/16/2018 12:54:00 AM
And it is people like this, with this attitude, who will keep the merit system in place for a long time.
I do not know JK, heard of him, but our paths never crossed.
However, I do not care about how great a guy he is, every time a list comes up there are people telling the Blog how great a guy/gal they are.
If they were so great then they would have studied and made it on their own, or at least not needing a 500 person bump in the list.
The way this system is run - it is down right criminal.
welcome to rahms sanctuary city.........
This Dept is doomed. Looks like you can be a complete fucking idiot and be made merit ! Yeah I want these idiots leading me ... I cannot wait to retire from this clout circus
I know that we do not disparage other police officers because they are family but this moron here was never the police how did he even get hired?
Chicago cop pleads guilty to having sex with 14-year-old girl, admits similar conduct with 3 other minors
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-chicago-cop-underage-sex-guilty-20180515-story.html
61 years old your life is now over and again you cast another bad light on working Chicago police officers I hope and pray that you literally right in jail, even though we are in fetal mode and worried about our jobs we still protect the innocent especially the children, the elderly and the people that need our help because that’s what we do! You really really deserve a lot more than a lifetime In prison, you will burn in hell for going after children, with all the prostitutes out there of legal age no you go after the children sorry to be vulgar I’m here second city but this guy is literally a piece of shit! Wonder how many other young people he has been in contact with that he got away with because we all know, when you get caughtIn many cases it’s not the first time at the rodeo!
SCC of topic tip. Civic Federation finally got Dart and Evans to release Felony bond information after suing them in FOIA request. Now we know why they didn't want this info going public. Also reports of 25 violent gun offenders recently missing from EM.
Only 25% of felony cases result in a D-Bond or cash Bond.
50% of felony cases result in I-BOND or signature Bond.
15.4% of those released on Electronic Monitoring were charged with violent crimes and 33.8% with weapons-related crimes.
Of those who were required to pay cash bond, 53.5% were ordered to pay $1,000 or less and 38.4% had to pay $500 or less.
And despite Sheriff Dart's assertions that EM has just recently become overwhelmed, the stats actual indicate a decrease in EM since the new bond policy... This was result of significant increase I-Bonds for felony defendants.
The number of defendants in community corrections programs increased from 1,986 in August 2013 to 2,300 before the new bail policy was implemented and stood at 2,073 on May 10, 2018. All but a few of those in community corrections programs are on electronic monitoring.
https://www.civicfed.org/civic-federation/blog/new-cook-county-bond-court-data-posted-online
Update. CBS News Chicago is reporting 25 violent/gun offenders are on the loose after recently cutting EM bracelet..
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2018/05/14/bracelet-cutters-gun-offenders-electronic-monitoring/
I’m rdo, is this skip info out there for the Lt.’s ?
I'm not a cop, but damn - the sheer number of people who got skipped over is downright disgraceful. How incredibly demoralizing is that? What incentive is there to study for an exam and try to make quality work when they'll bring up officers so deep down the list that Jacques Cousteau is like "woah never been down that far!"
I wish merit hires wore a different colored shirt so the public knows who made it via "help."
Why is it that only the 019th district have to swipe in and out? Everyone else does not need to.
Because you are SPECIAL, that's why!
Waller was merit all the. Way. Was promoted merit lt then made commander 30 days later. Lt for 30 days then made commander. He sure is a smart guy. What do you expect from merit promotions
I would be afraid to ask Darko for any help with my reports I would not want to end up fired, sued, or put in jail because of his incompetence, only the best and brightest but a few hair shy of 3,000 come on this department is a embarrassment.
SCC, you are completely missing the point. These merit picks are good people, therefore they are well deserved.
Darko worked in 004 when Dana was the Commander, Darko was on a watch and tact team while working for Dana. Darko continued to work his rear end off up until the day he was promoted. He has been doing it for years. If You are going to pick-on someone to use as an example, you have picked the wrong guy. Darko is a good guy and good merit pick. I understand your point , to be clear, but people move around, and that movement should not cancel you observations about previous subordinates. If Darko was promoted by the bosses in his direct chain of command you would then accuse of merit promotion trading should you have known Dana wanted him selected. There is plenty of bad picks out there, this is not one of them.
Look at the preiously made Fred Coffey, now thats a joke.
Over the past 25 years, I’ve been passed over for various Merit Nominations 15 times (and counting) so far.
I’m beginning to think the system is rigged.
I’m really thinking about cutting back on ISR’s, Traffic and Pursuits.
Rumour has it a certain high ranking perennial Merit (The Right Man for the Right Time™️) used to bring four #1 pencils to the exams in lieu of two #2’s, chew the erasers off before leaving for the first of many potty breaks.
ScanTron via is for chumps.
Outdated, inadequate and biased to meet today’s societal challenges and standards.
The CPD Best in Show, blue ribbon panel (everyone in column 5) couldn’t judge a 4-H poultry competition.
Doing whatever it takes to...
Make Rahm Great Again.
Twenty bucks says that column disappears from future lists.
Keep hearing how TV is such a nice guy. Might be. Dont know. What I do know is why he was taken care of by being sent to 606. Now hes taken care of again? I'm sure he'll be back to that Unit. Nothing to see here move along
I guess the $2,300 donation to Rham’s “campaign fund” last time did me zero good. Great...
I saw Gorman at the St. Jude parade, he could barely walk upright w all the the medals and awards on his chest. The legit ones.
Why even have a promotional test? Why, that question actually came up with the political powers that run the police department. You can see how the political class has eroded the promotion process over the years. Decades ago the promotion process was totally corrupt, but gradually achieved some sense of honesty, although promotions could still be bought, tests leaked and secret answers arrived along with quotas, race norming etc. Daley the kid brought about " merit" and things went downhill fast. Now the political class controls at least 1/3 of detectives, sergeants and lieutenants , all of captains and gold stars. Add up the exempts who are " subject matter experts" who hold study classes or leak the tests and the percentage gets even greater. For the life of me I can't imagine how someone who is a merit promotee, possibly multiple times, that is one who cannot pass a written promotion test, can be a " subject matter expert". There has been talk about eliminating all promotion tests for supervisors and making all of them appointees.
I just want to say thank you to the "real police" out on the job day after day. I don't know how you do it while this bs continues. I'm not a cop but I'd like to think I would have the wherewithal to decline a merit promo if I scored as bad as some of these folks. Where's their self respect? I come from a police family. Some looked at the profession ( yes, it is a true profession) as a calling. Others needed to be in control with a badge and gun. Guess which ones were the real police. I stayed close and admired those with the calling. The others I stayed away from. The family members who answered the calling enjoyed strong family connections, were well grounded, and enjoyed life. The others all had multiple marrages, child support payments, kids with drug problems, and thought everyone was an asshole but them. To the real police, stay safe and know you are valued. To the others, pull the plug and quit or retire asap. Do is all a favor
nonymous said...
Simply embarrassing!! Why did the FOP ever agree to merit picks without having some sort of requirements? Especially the large percentage of merits allowed per class. The citizens of Chicago should be even more outraged for having to pay the bill for the lack of supervisional competence than the officers that have to deal with being stepped over due to not having the right last name. Disgraceful!!
5/16/2018 12:41:00 AM
The FOP agreed to nothing. This was a Federal court decision to allow the city to do this.
Pathetic. They expect respect from the troops, with this nonsense it gets harder everyday.” Earned not given “ is not our motto
For the record, Chung was commander of 009 for less than a year before he was moved, how would he know if Cabral was worth a merit spot in such a short amount of time? He definitely wasnt getting commendations or honorables every week.
Sara is one of the better Females on this job. But she will be sent to Area South.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Simply embarrassing!! Why did the FOP ever agree to merit picks without having some sort of requirements? Especially the large percentage of merits allowed per class.
The word requirements sound like some sort of rules should be in place.
Really, as if that would matter.
Knezevich is more than qualified to be a Cpd Sergeant. He knows his shit and nobody will be pissed off once he's their Sgt.
- I agree 100%. John is a great officer, a better person, and will be a competent and respected sergeant. Every once in awhile, whether by design or not, the Dept gets a merit selection correct.
John - congrats buddy. There’s a group of officers out there about to get a great supervisor.
- DJ
Can you post the Merit skipped list for Lt and Detective??
nonymous said...
Knezevich is more than qualified to be a Cpd Sergeant. He knows his shit and nobody will be pissed off once he's their Sgt.
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Probably a great guy. There are a lot of great guys on the job. “Knows his shit”?????? The numbers would indicate otherwise. If you can’t answer it on a test, then you can’t answer it when a copper asks you on the street. There should be NO merit at the rank of sergeant. You need to be able to prove you know the material and how to apply it at least once while ascending the ranks. Being a great guy is wonderful and so is making a million pinches but it doesn’t mean you have the knowledge to help a police officer or be a decent manager.
It is pathetic to hear “did you hear the officer on the radio he will be a good sergeant” or “he really knows his stuff “despite not scoring in the top 2000. News flash these merit picks probably know a lot about alittle because if they really knew their stuff then 60 percent of the test takers would not have scored higher than them. Ironically these types of people are promoted for these metrics and then immediately removed from decision making of consequence (Bureau of Patrol). Being a Sergeant is about knowing your stuff but also applying your stuff. It is about being able to use sound judgement when dealing with 99% of a job that isn’t a shooting.
Signed a disgruntled of the list sergeant
Anonymous said...
Just gotta pass Part 1 and put your name on Part 2, when you know you're merit material.
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wrong. You don’t have to do shit for part 2. People must’ve known in advance. After break, many empty seats. I thought “that’s odd.” Then the announcement came about not having to sit for part 2 and more people left.
I’m mad but would like to submit two merit names: the 001st district Real Estate Guru and the 006th district tongue tickler of toes, bung and dong.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Give a listen to the audio of Gorman on the radio before he and the guys from fugitive pulled bobble head out after he got shot. Best of luck TG well deserved!
5/16/2018 02:13:00 AM
I’m sure he did a great job, but explain to me how that makes him a supervisor?
Well someone who was passed up should sue in federal court,some firefighters won a few yrs back that were passed up for a promotion. Pull the card!
Wow. These guys should not be made merit, plain and simple. Yet, they will go to a young district and tell officers that have less than 3 years on the job how to handle jobs and how great of policemen they once were. What a god dam joke.
Shit like this makes me feel no guilt about coming in with zero every day.
After getting screwed on prior detective, and Sgt tests, it took the drive to do police work out of me.
Sleep well you morons who were given, you don’t measure up, hope I’m not saddled with your ineptitude.
30% of morons who can even score in the top 50%. “It’s ok sarge, I’ll figure it out myself you’re to dumb to help me anyway”. I’m mean they must have no clue about what is contained in our general orders. I’m sick of incompetence being awarded over and over again on this job.
What a joke
You score in the top 10% and you might not even make it because almost one third of each class contains dumb asses who can’t spell their name. I don’t want to hear how “he/she is not a good test taker” then fucking study harder like the rest of us did. For some one to score in the 2,000 they must have blown off the test and not put any effort into
It. I wonder if that will carry over into to their job as a sergeant?
I propose merit hacks have an asterisk next to their star number so that citizens know who they are dealing with and can request a sergeant who knows what to do.
Wow! Good luck whoever gets Darko as a supervisor. I know that some people aren't good test takers and somebody has to be first on the list as well as last on the list but holy shit! The line needs to be drawn somewhere. Something needs to be and CPD needs to stop talking about doing something about this flawed system and take action that well result in change. If this is not done soon a once proud department will crumble like a house built on sand. It is on such shaky ground now and then this information comes out just to confirm just how flawed the process really is. If this guy is your boss, it is really important that you know rules and regulations as well as general orders yourself. Know what you can do by law. This should force many apathetic officers to realize they need to take personal responsibility and start informing themselves about procedures so that they dont rely on this guy! Good luck, you will need it!
Hey, Im around 800 on list. So will I get picked for Merit????? lololol. I don't hate all Merit selections. Smeo people who made it square are idiots. But seeing the places skipped, makes me somewhat skeptical of the whole process. Welp.....That's our great Department for you.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I still want to know how Bonnie Amado gets a detective pick. What criteria did she use?
5/16/2018 01:16:00 AM
It is obvious this department doesn't care about qualifications if this type of nomination is allowed to occur. This is completely unbelievable to me as a now retired Lt. Just when you think things can't get any worse!
Darko is a good dude, but that doesn’t translate into being a boss. Let’s be honest though, most of our supervisors have no idea what’s going on.
For those saying the guy was submitted under Chung in 009.....
Neither were in 009 in March when this was submitted
Let's not jump to conclusions here, maybe the people who skipped thousands of spots left early after the proctors told them that they could do so if they were going to make it by "merit."
As far as little Tommy Gorman we dont need to listen to his hero oec tapes, did we listen to the other 2000 plus guys under his scores career oec tapes of valor? No . He might be a " great guy " but he doesnt deserve the position of sgt. Sorry.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
For the record, Cabral was nominated by Cmdr Chung when he was under his command in 009. Missed the bite last time around.
5/16/2018 01:34:00 AM
He should miss the bite every time around. Him working for Chung doesn't negate the fact that he's one of the least deserving people on this job to receive a promotion. Alex thinks he's a lot more important than he actually is. Like when he tried to lead a coup against his tact Sgt in 004. Well it didn't work well, but of course he still landed on his feet working days before bidding to 009. JZ is way more deserving and a 1000x better copper than Alex, but Alex knew to latch onto him during his time on days.
Why is it that only the 019th district have to swipe in and out? Everyone else does not need to.
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It is a plot against people working in that district.
It’s been kicked backed for grammar *are unqualified to lead. Please proofread.
Anonymous said...
This is proof that the supervision on the department is unqualified to lead.
5/16/2018 12:40:00 AM
sadly, most of the nominators are recipients of the same "merit" promotions, often every step up the chain
"I'm Shocked, Shocked, To Find Out, Gambling Is Going On In "Rick's Casino"!!!
Sorry to report, this is "The Chicago Way".
About A Hundred Years Ago, when I was a Proud Member of the CPD, I would not let this stuff upset me, "too much". Do not let it keep you from going out there, and having a "Great Day"!
This goes to show you that hard work and studying for a test means nothing. It’s all who you know or who’s ass you kiss. The Chicago way!
If I counted properly 2 of the 15 were women.
I worked with TG back in the day. One time we were partnered up and he told me that he scuba dives. He said that when he is in the ocean he is concerned about sharks. SHARKS! How is this guy supposed to be leading men and women out on the street when he is afraid of sharks??? Didn't the geniuses on the merit board think to ask these merit nominations if they are afraid of sharks?? Good luck to whatever district gets Sgt scaredy cat.
Who the F$&@ is Director Maris and why does he get a say in a Police Meritorious promotion? Shouldn’t you be a sworn member that carries a star & gun before you make recommendations on a Police promotion?
Pull my finger, Smoke screen! LMAO...
Test result numbers are publicly available? Where??
Earned ?????? My A--
How about the director of information services nominating a po from R and D for Sgt.? This po has never worked with or for him. The po works with his wife who is a secretary in R an D ??? How is this nomination even remotely to be considered legit?
And :Director of facilities nominating a po from Homan for Detective ????? She has never spent more than a few hours a year in Homan....
And we are just supposed to believe it's all legit. All of you bosses do not even try to pretend it it's legit.
Signed: Fed up with their crap
Knezevich is a stand up guy and will be a great Sgt. Can’t bash all these guys SCC
A big congratulations to the mayor, all the exempts and all merit promotees on the city’s number 1 rating as most corrupt city in the country. It has been a team effort so lets not forget the 50 aldermen who have really been bringing it day in and day out for years. I’ll be holding my head a little higher ( in order to try to keep my nose above the rising shit filled cesspool).
Corruption in politics, the police department, the CPS, really everywhere has made our city the dirtiest city in th U.S.
Chicago values = corruption and pay to play.
After reading the comments it still amazes me how many people don't undertsand the 'systems' in life. Meritorious promotions have been around since the inception and throughout the entire history of the Department. And it's not about sucking up or kissing up - learn how to network!
The post about Tom Vargas is so true.
No TV didn’t deserve it. Wasn’t even there for AV incident, but he never missed the cameras. He played that to this merit promotion and used every chance to make himself relevant. Pathetic
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"Pay attention to Mayor losing FOIA battle with Trib.
Next will be the McDonald shooting.
This now opens doorway for city state or Federal investigation on your personal
cell phone.
If you have sent or received any work related matter via your cell phone. It is open season on your private phone. Along with any other items that may be on the same phone.
Get a burner for work.
From someone trapped in FOIA and watching this going down."
This is true. Don't even use your personal phone at work. Rahm will go unscathed, but somehow, he'll turn it around on any and all employees of the city. Just watch.
Did they publish that place in line column for some kind of morbid transparency, or did someone screw up?
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Who knows why people do things. Might have been unintentional, but I have to think it was intentional. Otherwise why would someone bother to even add that column to the spreadsheet? Who would care one way or the other.
"Now get out there and wright some paper and save the City and make me look good.
PS, go fuck yourself you stupid fuck!"
Wright? You're probably the idiot slamming TG as well. Maybe you would have had a valid argument if you weren't so stupid. Oh and, he's also a worker who has been recognized not only by CPD, but the US Navy as well. Highest award given to someone outside of combat. What have you done lately, besides butcher the English language.
I get the point of the post and do agree with it. But having said that, I have to defend Tom Vargas. A great cop and a better person. Also was Alex Valadez partner for a couple years including the night Alex was tragically murdered. An intelligent, hard working cop who has dealt with what none of us hope to ever have to deal with on this job. Sometimes merit is given cause of who you know but sometimes merit is earned by the sacrifice and pain this job can inflict on a cop as a human being and his
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NO disrespect to Vargas I do not know the man but I would prefer to have someone promoted who actually passed than someone who scored in the 2,000+ and denied someone who scored high enough to be a sergeant and could maybe help someone on the street. Someone who scored that low should not have been promoted
I know that we do not disparage other police officers because they are family but this moron here was never the police how did he even get hired?
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He had a badge. That makes him the police. The story suggests at least one more cop will be charged if he hasn't been already.
Cops are like everyone else. Some have character flaws that make them vulnerable to doing all kinds of awful things just like the rest of the population.
Anonymous said...
What the FUCK, Over....How can some of these people even show their heads after this....
5/16/2018 06:18:00 AM
They won't think twice about it!
Now go get them some activity!
This now opens doorway for city state or Federal investigation on your personal
cell phone.
Gee Wally, the She-devil Hillary destroys her phones with a hammer and wipes her server, like with a cloth, with no repercussions. So we should have no worries, right? Equal justice.
Anonymous said...
Finley seems to be the only acceptable merit pick. The rest are too dumb to take orders from.
5/16/2018 05:34:00 AM
I agree with this statement.
Gorman has carried two seperate coppers out after they were each shot. They give awards for that. Goof. Probably jokes a little too much but always there when you need him
(OT) downtown river walk now safe:
Security dramatically beefed up as summer season begins on downtown Riverwalk
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/security-dramatically-beefed-up-as-summer-season-begins-on-downtown-riverwalk/
6 coppers "dramatically beefed up" so 1 1/4 mile is deemed "safe" bet Ryan is behind this brainstorming! Have you noticed Eddie has done nothing, demoted none of the exempted goofs? This summer will be the most bloodshed filled in history,and rahm still enjoys campaign donations, wine and cheese parties, and dam that tan looking more and more "Hispanic" everyday! Rahm puts chuy in the corner and he sits like a good puppy! Gues chuys "machismo" got checked by a silver spoon fed wedding dress hiding ballerina! Can rahm have the next dance, and place more "babies in the corner?!
At least Vallas speaks out in support of police, did FOP formally invite Vallas to the rally at city hall? This "showdown" would show rahm he is completely done! Now Gary your turn when did rahm who threw your ass our see the video, be the Bronx bulldog, don't be so scared, Vallas may make you superintendent again if you do the right thing!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Twenty bucks says that column disappears from future lists.
5/16/2018 08:52:00 AM
Fifty says it wasn't supposed to be public this time and somebody screwed up.
Gorman has won the award of Valor twice, he saved a guy who didn’t deserve to be saved. Isn’t that what this is for?
police officer working at Dixon High School on Wednesday shot and wounded a former student who fired a gun near the school’s gym and later tried to shoot the officer Wednesday, officials said.
The incident began about 8 a.m., according to officials speaking at a late-morning news conference. Students had gathered at the gym for graduation practice.
Dixon police Chief Steven Howell said the suspect, a 19-year-old male, “fired several shots” near the gym.
The school resource officer, identified as Mark Dallas, confronted the suspect, who then fled from the school with the officer in pursuit, Howell said. During the pursuit, the suspect fired several shots at the officer but did not strike him.
The officer returned fire and struck the suspect, who was then taken into custody just west of the school, Howell said. He was taken to a hospital with non-life-threatening injuries. No one else was injured.
An earlier news account said the gunfire exchange took place in the gym.
Howell and other officials praised the officer for saving lives.
“From the angle I’m looking at right now, at lot of things went right today when a great many of them could have (gone) wrong,” Dixon Mayor Liandro Arellanno Jr. said. “Things could have gone much worse.”
“He saved an enormous amount of lives,” Lee County Sheriff John Simonton.
great job officer you are a hero thank god it didnt happen in chicago because special ed and the new cpa chief would had thrown you under the bus in a no pay status. also kimesha ( yes i m dumb ) fox would be ttrying to figure out how to indict you,
a friend cpd 016
special ed do us a favor retire and let riccio run the department
Simply embarrassing!! Why did the FOP ever agree to merit picks without having some sort of requirements? Especially the large percentage of merits allowed per class. The citizens of Chicago should be even more outraged for having to pay the bill for the lack of supervisional competence than the officers that have to deal with being stepped over due to not having the right last name. Disgraceful!!
5/16/2018 12:41:00 AM
The FOP agreed to nothing. This was a Federal court decision to allow the city to do this.
It was supposed to be for minorities. It does not affect the members of the FOP so they don’t care. The city took full advantage of the non language for merit.
Sara was maxed out four years ago
Fool
Here's the thing about the whole off the list/merit thing. If you took Bernstein, you would understand that you are taking the test as if you are the IDEAL sergeant. I get some people are unbelievably good coppers, and are great at what they do. However, look at the state of the department right now. In addition to the merit debacle (merit promotees running the department), we are also in this situation because we have been doing things the "way we do it" instead of how it's supposed to be done. Regardless of how you feel about how we are supposed to police or the Ferguson/ACLU effect, these things cannot be ignored. So being a great street cop does not always translate into being good/qualified supervisor. Especially if you don't know Orders.
Merits should be made at the end of a list.
Darko spelled backwards is Okrad.
Now go out there and get activity!
SCC please, please, please show the “places skipped” for all past lists. The excuses “bosses” come up with for scoring so low will be hilarious. And it’ll show all of those who didn’t even show up to part 2 of the test because they knew they’d get it meritoriously.... including several exempts.
Wouldnt it be nice if they added a column for score differential from highest on list??????
You need to fight merit promotions in next contract. Test based promotions only period. No merit of any kind. Not the Chicago Way since no cash will change hands but much fairer.
Ass kissing, sucking something and good old hard cash is what makes up merit promotions. All the networking in the world will not get you promoted unless you have done a good job on the first three elements of merit promotions.
100 bux says it isnt public but bravo to whoever got a hold of it.
Listen, I didn't even take the last Sgt test. Too close to retirement. People saying that others "should've studied harder etc" doesn't mean a damn thing. Just because you scored well on a flawed testing process doesn't mean you're qualified to be a Sgt. Anyone who has been around knows this. Not saying any of these current people are qualified. The testing process has been shady since I've been around.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Gorman has carried two seperate coppers out after they were each shot. They give awards for that. Goof. Probably jokes a little too much but always there when you need him
Again, I’m sure he’s a great Police Officer but how does any of this transfer into him being a supervisor? Just because you are a good PO and person does not automatically make you an efficient boss.
SCC, you're dissing Knezevich without anybody so far saying a negative thing about him. The 4th District lost a Serbian Sgt (Vujic) who retired recently. Knezevich is merely replacing him. After all, Rahm is all about being fair and making the department reflect the city. Lots of Serbs still live in the city, especially the 4th District.
Ok, but Vujic was a complete idiot!!
Rahm was out at the river walk for a photo op with kids from the community. Why? Must be encouraging his voters, the feral predators from the south and west sides, to do more hate crimes on white people like the coverup on lake shore drive.
I took the Sgt test and scored 1700. I paid for and attended a study group and studied my ass off for it. I have 15 years on and over 1000 arrests. I know several of the merit officers and think they will be fine supervisors. They are good guys and hard workers with solid heads on their shoulders. What the hell makes a house mouse who never worked the street but was able to study all day during work at their desk jobs, resulting in high scores, a better supervisor? I’d rather work for the street copper than the house mouse any day, regardless of how they ranked on a test. Congrats to Finley,Darko,Vargas and Gorman.
Anonymous said...
You shouldn’t even be considered for a merit promotion if you couldn’t score in the top 1000. Maybe top 1500 if you were shot and almost died or if you committed an extreme act of selfless heroism. Between COPA and merit bosses, this department is doomed.
5/16/2018 12:53:00 AM
Just curious but how does getting shot or almost dying factor into determining whether or not an individual would be qualified or competent when it comes to supervising police officers?
I’ve known many a hard working hero that were horrible supervisors and mediocre leaders.
I can't recall ever having called a supervisor to any scene for advise. If the job required a notification I would do so, and if they showed up on the scene, I'd tell them what I was going to do, not ask,"what to do." They liked that and I liked it that way.
So, for another one of my NEVER DO rules is, do not, I repeat, do not, ever call a supervisor to your job.
Now go out there and be fetal and safe.
I'm not a big fan of the merit process or testing process.
Just because someone does well on the test does not mean s/he will be a good boss, detective etc.
I can think of at least one boss who is "book smart" but is the shittiest boss I've ever worked for. Sometimes book smart people think they're smarter than they actually are just because they can write the correct responses on paper. Then when they actually have to make a real life, real time decision they flip the f%*k out.
There are also people who don't do s*#t and blow off their jobs so they can study for the test. Again, they are able to memorize orders and write the correct answers on a piece of paper, but they're dogs. And on the rare occasion they actually do a little work, they have no clue how to actually do anything.
Tom Gorman was a great pick for meritorious sergeant. He is the police as were others in his family.
Joe Gorman Jr., his older brother, was the Commander of 009.
His father, Joe Gorman Sr, was a legendary detective who happened to carry the machine gun that killed Fred Hampton and Mark Clark.
His grandfather was a police officer in the old Woodlawn District.
OT
"Pay attention to Mayor losing FOIA battle with Trib.
Next will be the McDonald shooting.
This now opens doorway for city state or Federal investigation on your personal
cell phone.
If you have sent or received any work related matter via your cell phone. It is open season on your private phone. Along with any other items that may be on the same phone.
Get a burner for work.
From someone trapped in FOIA and watching this going down."
The information is helpful, but obviously you're not on the watch. Most every district has department issued cellphones to make notifications. City hall is aware of the looming issues with using cellphones for official business (ie, BWC recording someone calling after an OIS)
Worked with Gorman and he’s the real police. Maybe not the smartest guy but he’s the copper you want if things go south. He is the exact type of cop that should get merit. Let’s be honest we all know sgt’s that aren’t smart but make it work and Gorman is police smart.
City worst in corruption now rahm cannot handle schools:
State assumes sweeping authority over CPS special education practice
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-met-chicago-special-education-oversight-20180516-story.html
Right in Paul Vallas wheelhouse now, back the truck in now rahms going under it! Bye rahm please make it easy just resign hang your head,Wear the wedding dress, with that tanning bed look your looking cooked overdone!
MCGA Make Chicago great again!
Conroy and Jaros from 8 what a joke!
Wow, that ranking is pretty brazen. Here in the private sector the employer usually goes to great lengths to hide that sort of thing, to the point where it's a common infosec joke that the best way to get management to do something about a security hole is figure out how it could be exploited to leak salaries or performance reviews. But then again, in the private sector corrupt assholes tend to get outed and fired rather than richly rewarded by other corrupt assholes higher up the food chain.
Forget about merit what about everyone that want to "special study groups" or got the actual answers handed to them prior to the test. Merit is almost legit.
Are the 123 people getting promoted as a gift for helping new candidates get through the system to get hired? Heard lots of stories...
Putting the merit issue aside. The FOP and Sgt’s Assn. Both get a list of the rank order people from the get go. Why is this not published by both Associations ? Why is the rank order list not public knowledge ??
Wow! Rumor has it the next merit list will include people who haven't been hired yet.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
You shouldn’t even be considered for a merit promotion if you couldn’t score in the top 1000. Maybe top 1500 if you were shot and almost died or if you committed an extreme act of selfless heroism. Between COPA and merit bosses, this department is doomed.
5/16/2018 12:53:00 AM
Just curious but how does getting shot or almost dying factor into determining whether or not an individual would be qualified or competent when it comes to supervising police officers?
I’ve known many a hard working hero that were horrible supervisors and mediocre leaders.
5/16/2018 06:18:00 PM
Thank you!
Current m/4 merit from 009 and last class genius also from 009 chasing idiots in a covert van, dumb as a box of rocks but got shot so he’s material merit supervisor, just make sure you don’t get disarmed again when you get your tact team soon
Talking about Gormans great legacy of a family isn't helping the merit case . I mean his brother was commander ?? Of 009 no less, so there is lots of juice in this family . The pick sure is " merit " .
Looking at the list, apparently the employees under some of the bosses command do not have good enough candidates so they have to put in candidates outside of their command.
I'm not a big fan of the merit process or testing process.
Just because someone does well on the test does not mean s/he will be a good boss, detective etc.
I can think of at least one boss who is "book smart" but is the shittiest boss I've ever worked for. Sometimes book smart people think they're smarter than they actually are just because they can write the correct responses on paper. Then when they actually have to make a real life, real time decision they flip the f%*k out.
There are also people who don't do s*#t and blow off their jobs so they can study for the test. Again, they are able to memorize orders and write the correct answers on a piece of paper, but they're dogs. And on the rare occasion they actually do a little work, they have no clue how to actually do anything.
5/16/2018 06:42:00 PM
I agree, a lot of the best and worst bosses I’ve ever had were merit. Some of the best and worst bosses I’ve ever had were off of the list. I
You have no idea how someone is going to be until hey get their feet wet. Looking at this list I see a lot of house mouses. Jesus Christ I see a guy who has been time keeper for the last decade or more. Nice guy, I hope he makes a good boss but I see quite a few merit picks that have a lot more time on the street them a lot of people on the list. I wish them all the best and hope they are all take care of us little guys.
Until they take out the subject matter experts the test will never be legit . The orders are written their is no need for subject matter experts . FACT!
The whole merit process needs to be done with, you don’t test well? Too bad, go off of the test put together by an independent agency and have minimal cpd brass input. They can’t be trusted,it’s the only fair way. Far too many merit picks are actually deserving to make the merit process legit, it only kills morale !
Retired now. My first sergeant test was the one that was re-arranged by Federal Judge Prentiss Marshall. Never was promoted. Wouldn’t take the job again.
No great boss ever came from the test list.
Anonymous said...
nonymous said...
Knezevich is more than qualified to be a Cpd Sergeant. He knows his shit and nobody will be pissed off once he's their Sgt.
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Probably a great guy. There are a lot of great guys on the job. “Knows his shit”?????? The numbers would indicate otherwise. If you can’t answer it on a test, then you can’t answer it when a copper asks you on the street. There should be NO merit at the rank of sergeant. You need to be able to prove you know the material and how to apply it at least once while ascending the ranks. Being a great guy is wonderful and so is making a million pinches but it doesn’t mean you have the knowledge to help a police officer or be a decent manager.
5/16/2018 10:03:00 AM
I don't know Knezevich but In order to help a police officer you have to have been a police officer. It is someone who has been a working copper who will know how to help someone out. If you've never done shit you may know general orders but you have little experience. Truth is there are people who can ace a test but are lazy, scared, lack character , lack any semblance of leadership skills. The merit system is disgusting in the way in which it works but don't pretend for a minute that just doing well on a test has much to do with being a good supervisor. I could make a long list of both merit and made it off the test supervisors who are worthless and another list of merit and test who are excellent. So basically a better way needs to be found for who to promote.
This now opens doorway for city state or Federal investigation on your personal
cell phone.
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It is trivially easy these days to get warrants for just about anything. If it is any kind of official investigation they will have no trouble at all getting your phone and cell phone records.
FOI is a little different since it only applies to public records. But if one is dumb enough to use a personal device like a phone or computer for official business it could get snared up in FOI requests. The other thing about it is that some records are required to be logged and backed up. If you use you personal phone for that how could that ever happen?
These line skippers are the kids who got the crap kicked out of them in school when they cut the lines, heard the old refrain: "Hey, no cuts, no butts, no coconuts! Get back in line" and they ignored it...
Some schmucks never learn.
This list right here ought to be Exhibit A in a lawsuit to overturn all this Merit nonsense. Either you pass the test, or you don't. Not a good test taker? Tough shit. Study harder next time.
Give EVERYONE the same amount of time, same study guides, same everything. No extra time because Joey has OCD, or because Sally gets anxious when walking into a test room (because you know all that bullshit will be abused - just like this current craziness).
Whomever then gets the BEST score, gets first dibs at promotions. If two people get the same score - then WHOMEVER turned in the test first gets the higher spot on the list... If the two of them turned in at the same time - flip a coin.
It's not real hard to do things ETHICALLY... well, never mind. The status quo is The Chicago Way!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Give a listen to the audio of Gorman on the radio before he and the guys from fugitive pulled bobble head out after he got shot. Best of luck TG well deserved!
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maybe TG was too busy writing quantity case reports to study.. Pig Latin, old English, .. My favorite was the one with the "chef" and the churches chicken .. and yet officers are supposed to look up to this guy?? Come on.. please don't give me the "he saved bubble head" speech.. That goof Kulbida was told multiple times not to enter or arrest...
Merit politically connected , all clout
Think about where current exempts were on list ?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
You shouldn’t even be considered for a merit promotion if you couldn’t score in the top 1000. Maybe top 1500 if you were shot and almost died or if you committed an extreme act of selfless heroism. Between COPA and merit bosses, this department is doomed.
5/16/2018 12:53:00 AM
Just curious but how does getting shot or almost dying factor into determining whether or not an individual would be qualified or competent when it comes to supervising police officers?
I’ve known many a hard working hero that were horrible supervisors and mediocre leaders
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Let’s face it, meritorious promotions are here to stay. It’s laughable at how many brothers, sisters, wives, husbands, drivers, secretaries, sons, daughters, cousins, college friends, members of specific organizations get promoted and the last thing that’s considered is their ability to be a good leader along with knowledge of department policy/law. If anybody is going to get a free bite at the apple, at least somebody who almost gave their life doing their job should get an honest shot at a merit promotion. I’m not saying make everyone that’s ever been shot or severely hurt. If somebody that has been shot or severely injured is actually qualified to be a good leader, then they should be given that preferential treatment, not individuals named in my long list of the usual merit slugs.
Now getting shot while doing something stupid is a different story. I won’t even site the example from 43rd and Ashland last year that’s in my head.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT
"Pay attention to Mayor losing FOIA battle with Trib.
Next will be the McDonald shooting.
This now opens doorway for city state or Federal investigation on your personal
cell phone.
If you have sent or received any work related matter via your cell phone. It is open season on your private phone. Along with any other items that may be on the same phone.
Get a burner for work.
From someone trapped in FOIA and watching this going down."
The information is helpful, but obviously you're not on the watch. Most every district has department issued cellphones to make notifications. City hall is aware of the looming issues with using cellphones for official business (ie, BWC recording someone calling after an OIS)
5/16/2018 07:01:00 PM
https://www.privacyworld.com/freedommobile.html
Anonymous said...
Tom Gorman was a great pick for meritorious sergeant. He is the police as were others in his family.
Joe Gorman Jr., his older brother, was the Commander of 009.
His father, Joe Gorman Sr, was a legendary detective who happened to carry the machine gun that killed Fred Hampton and Mark Clark.
His grandfather was a police officer in the old Woodlawn District.
5/16/2018 07:00:00 PM
Dept just than the Mafia fudge the lists hire and promote each others kids felony forgery!
Really doesnt matter what you think.. its sgt darko, sgt gorman, sgt (enter name)
AGREED ... this is an intelligent comment made by someone
*** I'm not a big fan of the merit process or testing process.
Just because someone does well on the test does not mean s/he will be a good boss, detective etc.
I can think of at least one boss who is "book smart" but is the shittiest boss I've ever worked for. Sometimes book smart people think they're smarter than they actually are just because they can write the correct responses on paper. Then when they actually have to make a real life, real time decision they flip the f%*k out.
There are also people who don't do s*#t and blow off their jobs so they can study for the test. Again, they are able to memorize orders and write the correct answers on a piece of paper, but they're dogs. And on the rare occasion they actually do a little work, they have no clue how to actually do anything.
The one scam that was swept under the rug and should NOT be forgotten is the Lieutenants Exam. Many studied
the answers and are now your BOSS. Just look around and you’ll see these supervisors
who have no clue what they’re doing but got the promotion because of Cheating, Politics, and Race.
Disgusting !!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I can't recall ever having called a supervisor to any scene for advise. If the job required a notification I would do so, and if they showed up on the scene, I'd tell them what I was going to do, not ask,"what to do." They liked that and I liked it that way.
So, for another one of my NEVER DO rules is, do not, I repeat, do not, ever call a supervisor to your job.
Now go out there and be fetal and safe.
5/16/2018 06:36:00 PM
Maybe you should ask a supervisor what is the difference between the words "advise" and "advice"?
Most every district has department issued cellphones to make notifications.
I don’t know where the fuck you work, but you don’t know what you’re talking about. What phones?
"Keep chasing cars and fleeing offenders. Let me know how that all works out for you! When you retire I hope your knees hold up, especially running on uneven pavement with 30 to 40 pounds of uniform equipment. You get hurt no one cares, you leave less than 100 percent because of working no one cares. LOL"!
5/16/2018 12:23:00 AM
AND WHEN YOU DO RETIRE THEY DECIDE TO DISCONTINUE YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE. It hurts too much to laugh out loud, maybe just a snicker. Don't want to cause any damage I can't afford to pay for.
Holy crap!....I literally “studied” for the Sgt exam for a solid hour or two and scored better than these nitwits! Granted, I didn’t do well enough to make it (800’s) I got exactly what I put into it. I’ve since made it out of patrol and would never ever want that shit job of sergeant in today’s climate anyway. Jeez, this department is a joke and it’s clear it’s not a career but a job nowadays. We’re watching the death spiral of CPD. Sad.
Everyone puts down Merit, but at least for Merit u must take the test and then interview.
The true scumbags are the ones who rcvd the answers prior to the test and then walk around how smart they are.
Go F**k Yourself in your moms basement.
Promoted by clout not skill or ability. Nothing but the best for Chicago. Why have promotional exams? Then there are the cheaters a whole different story.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm not a big fan of the merit process or testing process.
Just because someone does well on the test does not mean s/he will be a good boss, detective etc.
I can think of at least one boss who is "book smart" but is the shittiest boss I've ever worked for. Sometimes book smart people think they're smarter than they actually are just because they can write the correct responses on paper. Then when they actually have to make a real life, real time decision they flip the f%*k out.
There are also people who don't do s*#t and blow off their jobs so they can study for the test. Again, they are able to memorize orders and write the correct answers on a piece of paper, but they're dogs. And on the rare occasion they actually do a little work, they have no clue how to actually do anything.
5/16/2018 06:42:00 PM
So why not get rid of a test all together and promote who the hell we want. Is that what you are suggesting? There are a lot of smart people that are good bosses. You don’t have to be a dumb dumb to be a good boss. To know how to write paper is important. It can save you or destroy you. Wouldn’t a best option be to have a book smart boss who is also street smart? It amazes me that some people somehow seem to think that these two qualities cannot coexist.
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Anonymous said...
Putting the merit issue aside. The FOP and Sgt’s Assn. Both get a list of the rank order people from the get go. Why is this not published by both Associations ? Why is the rank order list not public knowledge ??
5/16/2018 09:22:00 PM
You're absolutely right and we should demand to see it. Tired of the b.s. from FOP, numbers not matching up after you've contacted them several times for your rank. Same issue with bids. No transparency anywhere. Make all lists (promotional and bids) available
018 09:08:00 PM
Anonymous said...
Putting the merit issue aside. The FOP and Sgt’s Assn. Both get a list of the rank order people from the get go. Why is this not published by both Associations ? Why is the rank order list not public knowledge ??
5/16/2018 09:22:00 PM
You're absolutely right and we should demand to see it. Tired of the b.s. from FOP, numbers not matching up after you've contacted them several times for your rank. Same issue with bids. No transparency anywhere. Make all lists (promotional and bids) available
class genius also from 009 chasing idiots in a covert van, dumb as a box of rocks but got shot so he’s material merit supervisor, just make sure you don’t get disarmed again when you get your tact team soon
You mean The know it all from.009 that almost got himself and a rookie killed?????
Yeah. Makes percect sense. Maybe load up the covert next time with gold stars and lets see what they think of his decision making and leadership skillz.....
Somebody please tell the female, one bagger from 009 to stop bragging about how she “earned” this promotion. SHUT THE HELL UP! Try to at least act like you are humble for fuck’s sake. EM is as entitled as it gets. Believing that you “earned” Sergeant doesn’t make it true or change the fact that you took a spot from some poor shmuck who scored better. Wake up.
Just like the saying what do you call a minority or merit appointment last in their class at medical school, someone pushed forward due to political or family or race? Doctor!
5/16/2018 12:53:00 AM
Just curious but how does getting shot or almost dying factor into determining whether or not an individual would be qualified or competent when it comes to supervising police officers?
Better question. How does being a secretary, a driver or a pencil pusher at headquarters factor into determining whether or not an individual would be qualified as a supervisor?
Merit sergeants should not be an in serice rank. They should be P.O.s assigned as sergeants. Merit sergeants should not be eligable for further promotions.
I remember most of the questions on the Sgt's test.
I cant remember which ones were about LEADERSHIP. Could someone please remind me.
I know / have worked with / worked for a few of the Sgt's from the first class off this list, the one class WITHOUT MERIT spots.
#1 on the test: Joe V. Ask anyone from 024 or 014 about this mope. Serious personality disorder, has the personality of a used condom and will trick-bag a cop in a second.
But he was #1 on the list... so that automatically gives him leadership abilities akin to General Patton, right? This turd couldn't lead ants to a picnic.
There's another one on there that has absolutely no clue what to do on a shooting scene. As a Desk Sgt / DSS, they need to constantly refer to the General Orders on how to do simple things like an inventory. Why, you ask? Because they never worked the fucking street at all! But they sure the fuck know about the General and Special Orders because they scored so well.
There's a few others that are totally worthless when it comes to "being the police".
Gorman? Knezevich? I've worked with both and they are great cops. Im 98% sure that they will be the same as Sgt's. And would work for either in a heartbeat.
5/16/2018 07:00:00 PM
Dept just than the Mafia fudge the lists hire and promote each others kids felony forgery!
5/17/2018 03:12:00 AM
Your command of the English language while drunk at 0300 is amazing!
Most every district has department issued cellphones to make notifications.
I don’t know where the fuck you work, but you don’t know what you’re talking about. What phones?
5/17/2018 06:50:00 AM
I've used the phone in my district, so I know at least one district has one. The department bought a bunch of cheap flip phones to be used on the street for necessary notifications, mostly for police shootings, so your personal cell phone doesn't become part of the defense's case. Before getting all angry and telling people they don't know what they're talking about, maybe you should check your facts.
brain dead merit supervisors are now running cpd
This kind of thing has been going on throughout the history of Chicago in all areas of city employment. At one time if you wanted to be a city employee you gave the precinct captain a few bucks that he shared with the other crooks and you became a cop or a fireman or whatever else it was you wanted. At least now initial hiring is fairer.
Imagine showing up to roll call "Hello every one, I'm Sergeant Darko, let me be clear we are short on ISR's and arrests and it's time step it up"
Anonymous said...
Merit sergeants should not be an in serice rank. They should be P.O.s assigned as sergeants. Merit sergeants should not be eligable for further promotions.
5/17/2018 11:53:00 AM
That's not a bad idea at all.
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maybe TG was too busy writing quantity case reports to study.. Pig Latin, old English, .. My favorite was the one with the "chef" and the churches chicken .. and yet officers are supposed to look up to this guy?? Come on.. please don't give me the "he saved bubble head" speech.. That goof Kulbida was told multiple times not to enter or arrest...
5/16/2018 11:33:00 PM
So it’s gormans fault that bubble head didn’t listen? It’s Gormans fault that bubblehead ended up getting shot? No, none of the above. The only thing you can credit Forman with in that situation was fixing bubbleheads mistakes and pulling him out and saving his life. You sound like a civil attorney. Either way it all went down and it all then got taken care of by heroic cops. Let me guess, you’re not exactly a fireball at work.. no need to answer, pretty sure I already know. We all know.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm not a big fan of the merit process or testing process.
Just because someone does well on the test does not mean s/he will be a good boss, detective etc.
I can think of at least one boss who is "book smart" but is the shittiest boss I've ever worked for. Sometimes book smart people think they're smarter than they actually are just because they can write the correct responses on paper. Then when they actually have to make a real life, real time decision they flip the f%*k out.
There are also people who don't do s*#t and blow off their jobs so they can study for the test. Again, they are able to memorize orders and write the correct answers on a piece of paper, but they're dogs. And on the rare occasion they actually do a little work, they have no clue how to actually do anything.
5/16/2018 06:42:00 PM
So why not get rid of a test all together and promote who the hell we want. Is that what you are suggesting? There are a lot of smart people that are good bosses. You don’t have to be a dumb dumb to be a good boss. To know how to write paper is important. It can save you or destroy you. Wouldn’t a best option be to have a book smart boss who is also street smart? It amazes me that some people somehow seem to think that these two qualities cannot coexist.
Don't get your panties in a bunch. You completely misinterpreted everything I said. I did not say there shouldn't be any testing. But I don't think that a written test for which someone can memorize answers is a good determination of someone's ability to think on their feet. I also did not say that book smart and street smart cannot co-exist. And I definitely did not say that you have to be a dumb dumb to be a good boss. I'm not knocking people who are smart. Everyone keeps talking about test scores like they're the absolute determining factor as to whether or not someone will be a good boss. . My point is that just because someone does well on the test, that does not mean they will be a good boss.
no integrity in this shithole of a city , how many times did short shanks fail the bar exam ?
Hey, how about Ernest Cato III (for three time merit promotion) promoting his old Detective partner Velasquez. They should change that no to a YES.
Actually, Doreen will make a good Sgt. It's Ernie I'm worried about.
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“Gorman? Knezevich? I've worked with both and they are great cops. Im 98% sure that they will be the same as Sgt's. And would work for either in a heartbeat.”
Only a Clouted up knob gobbling gump would try to justify someone gettting a 2000 spot promotion bump.
Meanwhile the oompah loompah flop prez will remain silent over this egregious travesty.
TG and I worked together before the department and he discovered that our boss was skimming money. We went to hang at his summer house that weekend and found him dead. We had to drag our boss around for the entire weekend pretending he was alive. If TG can drag a dead guy around for 48 hours he’s bound to be able to motivate a watch in a district.
Everyone puts down Merit, but at least for Merit u must take the test and then interview.
The true scumbags are the ones who rcvd the answers prior to the test and then walk around how smart they are.
Go F**k Yourself in your moms basement.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Waller was merit all the. Way. Was promoted merit lt then made commander 30 days later. Lt for 30 days then made commander. He sure is a smart guy. What do you expect from merit promotions
Waller was a worker as a patrolman and Tact Officer. But you wouldn’t know that. He’s also a great and approachable boss.
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