New Contender - Dumbest Statement
- Mayor Rahm Emanuel was urged Thursday to go easier on parking and vehicle ticket scofflaws after a new report showed the city’s get-tough enforcement policies were having a disproportionate impact on low-income and minority communities.
In a report appropriately called, “The Debt Spiral,” the Woodstock Institute examined 3.6 million vehicle-related tickets issued by the city in 2017.
Those tickets included: 273,000 issued by red-light cameras; 250,000 by speed cameras; 187,000 sticker violations; 175,000 tickets for expired meters; 162,000 for expired license plates or temporary registrations and 144,000 for street cleaning violations.
Results of the ZIP code-based study were not all that surprising, but troubling nevertheless.
Tickets were 40 percent more likely to be issued to drivers from low-and-moderate income areas than to motorists who live in higher-income neighborhoods. The same 40 percent disparity existed for drivers from predominantly minority neighborhoods.
The way we read this, the tickets weren't tracked by where they were issued - they were tracked by what zip code the car itself was registered. So if minorities got tickets (let's say downtown) for any of the listed charges (red light, speed, city sticker, expired meters, plates and street cleaning) and the car was registered to their home address, then the ticket writer or robot camera is racist for the issuance of the ticket and not for the fact someone violated the law at the point of issuance.
What a crock of shit.
But here's the amazingly stupid statement by the "lawyer" representing the aggrieved parties:
What a crock of shit.
But here's the amazingly stupid statement by the "lawyer" representing the aggrieved parties:
- “Where the city decides to place cameras has a disparate impact on low-income populations. … You’re more apt to get a speed ticket or a red-light ticket if you’re driving through that area than if you’re driving through areas that don’t have those cameras,” [director of research for the Woodstock Institute Lauren] Nolan said.
Because we thought for sure that you could get automated tickets anywhere in the city....even places where cameras aren't installed. Who knew?
How about you drive the limit, park where you're supposed to, and keep the required registration up-to-date as required by law?
How about you drive the limit, park where you're supposed to, and keep the required registration up-to-date as required by law?
Labels: silly people
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
98 Comments:
Racist Cameras?!?!?!
Looks like you will have to put out a NEW contract to replace the existing "Racist" cameras with ones that are minority-friendly.
Problem solved!! "We just bought the wrong cameras last time," Rahm Emanuel.
So who will get the contract for the 1000s of replacements? What connected firm?
Sounds far-fetched? Wait til some "Brains" in City Council start demanding to "Take down those Racist Cameras now and replace them immediately!"
Maybe someone will organize a march against "Racist Cameras in the City Of Chicago"?
I drive by one of these cameras every night and somehow me and my fluorescent complexion never have gotten a ticket. It's called compliance. I slow down, don't get a ticket and go home. It sucks but i do it. It's not that hard.
That just proves how ignorant people from those chosen neighborhoods are. But what can you expect from someone that never had a DL, is driving Suspended or Revoked?
If I'm not mistaken, majority of the red-light and speed cameras ARE installed in the higher-income neighborhoods.
Look, there is plenty of legal parking in the hood. The population density in these areas is not as dense as say Albany Park, Buena Park, Garfield Ridge or Mt. Greenwood. If you're an entitled, lazy dope, you're going to get a parking ticket because you park wherever you want. I see plenty of speed cameras in nicer areas so if a poorer person gets a speeding ticket it's because he or she is driving too fast in an area they don't reside in.
I ve had people come into the station with the red light photo ticket in hand.... “ it was yellow” they proclaim. The camera is wrong😳. People drive& Park like shit in Chicago. Aggressive-selfish with a screw everyone approach.
Typical bottom feeder lawyer. Drive like an asshole and you pay the fine. If you dont want to pay a fine, dont drive like an asshole. Everyone knows by now that Rahms money making cameras are everywhere so you have to be a moron not to know. At least this assclown is blaming a racist camera .
All this shows is that the lower economic class here can’t follow the rules and laws of society!!! They only apply to the white devil!
I find it interesting that on the westside (015 and 011) there is no parking meters on the street. You'd think on Madison, chicago, division, and north ave there'd be meters to park on the street. Nope. They are special and get to park for free where ever they'd like. While any where else in the city, we have to pay an arm and a leg just to go get food at some restaurant. I call bullshit. Somebody should post an article about that
and the obongo effect lives on. It's never the minorities fault... ever!
Those cameras are PROGRAMMED (by white people) to issue tickets only to those vehicles owned by non-whites. DUH!!!
I have to give them credit where credit is due...
https://chicago.suntimes.com/opinion/dig-deeper-before-going-easier-ticket-scofflaws-chicago/
Put 4 of them near rhams house— I only no of 1 with in walking distance of his asshole house — the Chicago location, not wilmette
You can tell the elections are coming with a story like this. Maybe the ever so compassionate Rahm, defender & protector of the downtrodden, will appear with the people in the hood in his Mr. Roger's sweater and say, "I stand with the people in the low income and minority communities this City in denouncing these racist cameras. And those racist cameras will be removed and placed in the neighborhoods of no color to make reparations for these injustices." Remember the grievance industry complaining about how the property taxe increase affected these neighborhoods more. The list goes on and on how they are always the victim. Who created this industry? Why it was Jesse Jackson of course. He did very well for himself. The book "Shakedown" was written about him.
Because they are the scofflaws. They don’t obey the no parking because they have no plans on paying for any tickets anyway. The pos in Wisconsin that made the news fighting with police was because he parked in a handicap spot. So the mayor and judges and politicians want to re write the laws to accommodate the criminals. The excuse is they don’t want to work so they live off the system and the politicians believe they should coddle them for votes. FU Rahm , leaving this fucked up city as soon as possible, and when retired not buying a city sticker. Why should I follow the laws , they don’t
I never ceases to amuse.
These democrats.
Toss their shit on others, no problem.
Get their shit tossed back onto them, oh noooooooo.....!!!!!
Get Their shit tossed onto them by Their own.....yahhhhhhhh.....!!!
Fucking hi!arious.
Truly
So the report is stating that cameras discriminate?
no respect for the law. No intention of obeying traffic law. After all these are the white man's laws.
So now Rahm wants fetal Cameras along with fetal Cops. You can't offend his voters so the coffers are empty. Expect a tax increase after the election season ends. Obamas sons don't have to follow the laws it's just the white devil that has to comply and pay for the community to make up for? --Anything and everything they want.
So now Rahm wants fetal Cameras along with fetal Cops. You can't offend his voters so the coffers are empty. Expect a tax increase after the election season ends. Obamas sons don't have to follow the laws it's just the white devil that has to comply and pay for the community to make up for? --Anything and everything they want.
Your last statement about following the law is definitely racist. You know the community has their own version of what laws apply to them. Anyways this is a sanctuary city and that should apply to traffic laws as well. People of color are exempt from your stupid racist traffic laws.
Cameras need to be sent to diversity training. Problem solved.
I find it interesting that on the westside (015 and 011) there is no parking meters on the street. You'd think on Madison, chicago, division, and north ave there'd be meters to park on the street. Nope. They are special and get to park for free where ever they'd like. While any where else in the city, we have to pay an arm and a leg just to go get food at some restaurant. I call bullshit. Somebody should post an article about that
Can't a lawyer fight this--for reverse racism? What would happen if none were installed on the NW side and they were installed in 015 and 011?
To appease the voters that he needs, Emanuel will declare that all tickets pertaining to 'special' zip codes will not null-n-void.
So if you park your car in Lincoln Park when you're looking to rob homes/people/cause mayhem & it's a street cleaning day/your meter that you didn't pay for expired or you never bothered with any stickers - you now get a free pass.
If your vehicle runs a speed light/red camera while zooming away from a good purse snatching/iphone grab, etc - since you live in a 'certain' zip code and were 'just visiting' another zip code - no fine for you. Feel entitled to park in a handicapped spot? Go ahead, special zip code resident....
I beez sayin' all along, dem cameras is racistes!
You just Watch...The city will cave and non-suit, discharge, toss out or just rip up these tickets depending where the vehicle is registered.....
Again, reality is a bitch, isn't it?
Amazing ain't it? Certain zip codes keep coming up as Law breakers and certain ones keep coming up as biggest taxpayers.
You have to be a mental midget to be a Liberal.
Back to the same old Bullshit , it’s everybody’s fault but my own that I can’t follow the law or be a civilized human being . And I know it’s not my fault the lawyer and the politicians told me so
I’d like the ability to go into some of these high rise apartment buildings. I’m pretty sure most don’t have stickers or proper registration.
How about little Lauren does the same study on say, Woodstock. See if there is a difference, and then explain why it is so?
What can we make a race issue next?
Driving is a privilege, not a right. The onus has always been on the driver to know and obey the laws.
The idiocy of that attorney knows no bounds.
They’re not nessecarily wrong, how many “boxes” are in minority’s areas where we’re told to go get activity (resulting in mostly Parker’s or anovs). We don’t go cruising for Parker’s on the west end of 008, west end 016, west end of 022 or south end of 004 that’s not in our box. Sounds like they should Blame the command staff for disproportionate enforcement by use box activity as a measurement of crime fighting
All the crime all the corruption all the blood shed in this city and you see what the media concentrates on here;
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2018/06/22/rain-sinkhole-chicago/
So a small hole in the ground which are all over the Garfield Ridge neighborhood, and this one merits news time! Guess since Chicago police officers didn’t get accused of anything that was newsworthy for the dishonest media they decide to send a crew out here to emphasize this hole in the street. The woman says if you call the city to have something done and they don’t show up, you can call CBS News Chicago and they will come out so instead of calling 311 everyone should be directed to call channel 2 news in order to get results and they will send a crew out immediately to show your plight!
I have to give them credit where credit is due...
https://chicago.suntimes.com/opinion/dig-deeper-before-going-easier-ticket-scofflaws-chicago/
I must say, it's been a while since I've read a Sun-Times editorial that I have agreed with. Especially one that states people should take personal responsibility for their own actions.
I’d like to see the ticket numbers for Mt Greenwood, Beverly, Garfield Ridge, Clearing, Edison Park...
I bet the numbers are huge as people there just might be forced to make prompt payment.
They’re insisting on making a story when there clearly isn’t one.
I’m waiting for the Black Caucus to chime in.
Is the same Institute pushing for legalizing marijuana? They are obviously smoking it when coming up with all this garbage.
Bullshit! What!?! Absolutely no meter parking on Madison St, central, Austin etc...of any kind on the westside but up north...a different story. " Poverished" neighborhoods have it way better, just unreal.
Phony spielman wrote the article on the orders of Rahm to make nice to the poor in the community so Rahm can insure election. It’s that simple.
It is indeed troubling that they commit all kinds of crime at a disproportionate rate. That's why it's called, "getting into trouble". If they staid out of trouble in the first place, then it wouldn't end up being so troubling.
The city depends on these tickets for revenue so they are in part a tax. A tax that just happens to fall on minorities with greater impact. I can understand that these fines, combined with late fees etc can be a real burden on some people. In many communities, it increases anger and resentment toward authorities. However, the issuance of the tickets is not racist. The impact may be more severe for minorities but they are not the target.
The desire to use these tickets to raise revenue is the root cause of the conflict. Some people struggle to pay all the ways the city seeks to collect revenue. And using the courts to raise revenue only creates community anger at the justice system. I would prefer a system where repeat offenders face escalating fines. Being poor is a bitch. But try being more careful where you park and how you drive.
Another interesting comment in that article was that " community service " be used instead of an actual monetary fine. Ya, that will result in actual compliance in the future.
Okay Leftists, so now Traffic and Parking Laws are, 'Racist', fine, got it.
So how about just answering this: Is there ANY Law and/or Regulation that isn't Racist, and that the minorities Can comply with?
Huh?.. what's that? .... (((( crickets )))) , yeah that's what I thought.
SO this is solid PROOF that the tickets issued are completely explained by "traffic violation" rates per ethnicity/race. No discrimination is even possible with a speed/red light camera.
This is called justice. I thought that is what we strived for in America? No?
maybe if these cameras were lazy and would take a break and eat a beef sandwich once in a while they wouldn't catch so many minority speeders
It's not that it's, "having a disproportionate impact on low-income and minority communities". It's that it's having an impact on the uneducated and careless of society. This is just more liberal bullshit.
hahaha That lawyer is a fucking moron!
they are not "low income" due to some cosmic force of nature. They are low income because they have illegitimate kids, never gave a fuck about school, never gave a fuck about work, have a generally shitty attitude toward life, and probably ain't too bright.
"...The pos in Wisconsin that made the news fighting with police was because he parked in a handicap spot..."
In true shthead style- he was parked across several spots...amazing that the media/citizens/courts prefer we allow people to disregard the law.
Excuse me, they are so special. Now they're asking for a special programing for traffic camera's. Say, you blow a red light, the camera catches you, but then it learns you live in say the 15th dist., so you're not issued the ticket because you must be a poor minority. I have a question, aren't White's the minority in this shit-hole? That's right, we are the minority, but they're using economics as a discriminating factor. So we have to assume everyone living in those zip code area's are poor MF's. What about the pimps, dope dealer's and car jackers? Who commits the most crime in Chicago, shootings in this rat-hole, carjackings, and whatever else. The logic hurts the brain, and how much money did this asshole get for a study identifying what zip code has the most law breakers.
The whole BLM thing has been a farce since day 1, we all knew that.
Wasn't too long ago that revolving doors and bullet-proof glass were declared racist. Now it's speed cameras. What inanimate object is next?
Guys. They don’t want to replace the cameras. They just want complete amnesty for a certain demographic group
Fran has no fucking clue how the real world works. But then, I have a Special Place in my heart for her and Charlie De Mar thanks to that Media Story last year March.
But then, this is why I prefer working in 016, 017, 020 and 024 and 019.
Unfortunately, the people in those neighborhoods tend to drive like complete jagoffs. Next time you're sitting at a red light on 103rd, etc, pay attention to who comes racing up on the shoulder to get around the traffic.
Shit, I remember back in the mid 70's when I used to drive into the south works at US Steel. Cars weren't double parked all over the neighborhood, they were triple parked with the typical mutts hanging out smoking and drinking at 7am. Funny I NEVER saw any of that in Garfield Ridge where I lived. Hmmm, I wonder what the difference was.
This idiots statement goes beyond double talk.
What a goof.
Lets see, if we give out free housing, school, medical care, meals, monthly entitlements, CTA fare cards, Sanctuary ID’s I-Bonds, Affordable Bonds, why isn’t Rahm giving free passes on traffic and parking violations?
Who is most likely to;
Drive (evade) like a maniac, blow thru red lights and stop signs, blatant disregard for speed limits, all while blunt rolling or dipping something into a cup of sauce with thumping bass emanating from the trunk of an uninsured motor vehicle.
Hint, it’s the same who;
Park in Violation of any and all Signage
Have No City Sticker
Have Expired Plates
Have No Front Plate
Block hydrants, crosswalks, loading zones, bus stops and occupy handicapped spaces.
And then above all, abandon that shitbox in one of the fore mentioned when it’s no longer running.
All on a registration that does not contain a valid address and is likely a scofflaw candidate for a Boot.
Hmmmmm?
These scofflaws may be getting the bulk of the tickets, but they ain’t paying.
Disparaging numbers.
The disparity is who’s paying and who’s obeying the laws.
The Rahm2019 Solution:
Hammer those areas where folks they pay fines (on time) to make up the for the deadbeat.
Does anybody have this attorney's business card?
I'm stepping down as the spokesperson for my educational outreach organization and this guy sounds like he would be an excellent replacement.
and,your more likely to get your ass whipped in a bar,then at a church
ANT AND THE GRASSHOPPER This one is a little different.
Two Different Versions, Two Different Morals
OLD VERSION:
The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and
laying up supplies for the winter.
The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.
Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed.
The grasshopper has no food or shelter, so he dies out in the cold.
MORAL OF THE OLD STORY:
Be responsible for yourself!
MODERN VERSION:
The ant works hard in the withering heat and the rain all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.
The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.
Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while he is cold and starving.
CBS, NBC , ABC, MSNBC, PBS, CNN, and HLN
show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food.
America is stunned by the sharp contrast.
How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?
Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper and everybody cries when they sing, 'It's Not Easy Being Green.
ACORN stages a demonstration in front of the ant's house where the news stations film the group singing, We shall overcome.
Then Rev. Jeremiah Wright has the group kneel down to pray for the grasshopper's sake.
President Obama condemns the ant
and blames President Trump, President Bush, President Reagan, Christopher Columbus, and the Pope for the grasshopper's plight.
Nancy Pelosi & Chuck Schumer exclaim in an interview with Chris Matthews & Brian Williams that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and both call for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his "fair share".
Finally, the EEOC drafts the Economic Equity & Anti-Grasshopper Act retroactive of course to the beginning of the Summer.
The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and, so having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the Government Green Czar and given to the grasshopper.
The story ends as we see the grasshopper and his free-loading friends finishing up the last bits of the ant's food while the government house he is in, which, as you recall, just happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around them because the grasshopper doesn't maintain it.
The ant has disappeared in the snow, sadly never to be seen again.
The grasshopper is found dead in a drug related incident, and the house, now abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorize and ramshackle, the once prosperous and peaceful, neighborhood.
The entire Nation collapses bringing the rest of the free world with it.
MORAL OF THE STORY:
Be careful how you vote in 2018 and 2020
I've sent this to you because
I believe that you are an ant!
You may wish to pass this on to other ants, but don’t bother sending it on to any grasshopper's because
No driving MFers get tickets. End of story
There is a speed camera in my neighborhood which is considered a decent area. We don't like it but there it is. So everyone for the most part goes 20 mph on this street 24 7. On my commute to work I travel through some areas of the city that are economically challenged and may be thought of as a bit rough. These areas also have a couple of speed cameras on my route to work. I have to say that they go off with that bright flash quite frequently as I'm driving at 20 mph and getting passed. The cameras, speed and red light, have been here for a long time now. They are clearly marked and well known. If you are to stupid to slow down when you KNOW there is a camera then to bad shut up and pay up. Nobody wants them, I don't want them. But if they are making money (the bottom line) then they will be there forever. Quit feeding the machine.
No drivin bitches! Pay me! With love and kisses, Rahm
I've complained to my alderman (a minority) that street cleaning signs were put up on the day before street cleaning. Sometimes late in the afternoon. I'm retired and may not leave my house for days at a time. Fortunately I have good neighbors who warn me about this $$$ trap. They hate Rahm about as much as I do.
Now if I can just get them to vote that way.
P>S> There is a Libertarian candidate by the name of Grayson "Kash" Jackson, a U.S. Navy veteran. I can't stand Rauner of Pritzker so Jackson is a better choice than not voting at all.
http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2018/06/sanctuary-city-opposes-housing-illegal.html
An example of the democrats.
Fuck Ing Hilarious.
"I’d like the ability to go into some of these high rise apartment buildings..."
You'd like the ability to make even more enemies.
When reached for comment, the camera states they “dindu nuffin”
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I’d like the ability to go into some of these high rise apartment buildings. I’m pretty sure most don’t have stickers or proper registration.
6/23/2018 06:58:00 AM
This is a Long One SCC:
You need to review the Ordinance. Have at it pal.
-64-125 Display of wheel tax license emblem.
(a) Except as otherwise provided in Section 3-56-020(b) or Section 3-56-125(d) of this Code, no person shall park or stand on any portion of the public way, or on any city-owned property, or in a public parking garage as defined in Chapter 4-232, or in any parking lot open to pedestrian traffic any vehicle requiring a wheel tax license under Chapter 3-56 of this Code, unless the wheel tax license emblem is displayed in the manner required by subsection (d) of this section. Pursuant to Section 3-56-021, any person alleged to have violated this section may raise as an affirmative defense that (1) such person resided in the city for less than 30 days at the time he or she was cited for the violation, or (2) the cited vehicle was purchased less than 30 days prior to the issuance of the violation.
3-56-135 Right to inspect.
Members of the police department, parking enforcement aides or agents of the department of finance designated by the comptroller and investigators of the city clerk's office shall have the authority to enter the following places for purposes of ascertaining whether vehicles parked therein are in compliance with this chapter:
(1) any public garage, as defined in section 4-232-130;
(2) with respect to any accessory garage, as defined in section 4-232-130, that allots a percentage of parking spaces to the general public, all areas of such garage where vehicles of the general public may be parked;
(3) any parking lot that is open to pedestrian traffic.
Nothing in this section authorizes any police officer or investigator to force, break or remove any lock or door in order to gain entry to any of the foregoing places.
4-232-130 Public and accessory garage defined.
So do the leg work. If the High Rise Condo/Apt Building has any Car Share Vehicles, its publicly accessible. LAZ and SP+ and etc garages and parking lots are eligible for you to go in. Any Metra or CTA or Park District or Public School Lot or any City Owned Parking Lot, like under Grant Park or Midway or O'Hare as well. And Cook County Garages on 26th and Cali are enterable as well, since they are in the City.
If something goes wrong in your life....just blame it on racism....everyone else sure the fuck does. From education to housing to policing to hiring to promotions and lastly to patronizing a coffee shop but not buying anything. God help us all!
It might be that the city is not putting these cameras in better off areas. if that is the case, maybe there is some legitimate concern. It is hard to tell if the article is making that claim.
it seems to me though that people in certain areas of the city are more likely to engage in all kinds of law breaking than in better off areas.
I have to give them credit where credit is due...
https://chicago.suntimes.com/opinion/dig-deeper-before-going-easier-ticket-scofflaws-chicago/
I must say, it's been a while since I've read a Sun-Times editorial that I have agreed with. Especially one that states people should take personal responsibility for their own actions.
6/23/2018 08:11:00 AM
They just put this up to add fuel to the fire, knowing the reaction expected and intended will be what it will be.
Your giving of credit is either clueless or intentionally deceptive.
They do not ever do anything NOT connived to their agendas.
Their printed upon paper product is only of use if you own a bird you keep caged, have puppies needing paper training or a fireplace to use as starter fire.
Their electronic media products, all of them, are wastes of electricity.
Democrats. Fuck them. Fuck them all.
Any objections of the nature of not all democrats are assholes, save it for when you convo with your asshole cohorts.
No one is, has, or ever can, force an individual to vote democrat, run for office as a democrat, or give one single cent to finance their insanities.
.....The woman says if you call the city to have something done and they don’t show up, you can call CBS News Chicago and they will come out so instead of calling 311 everyone should be directed to call channel 2 news in order to get results and they will send a crew out immediately to show your plight!
6/23/2018 07:52:00 AM
Add 911 to that recommendation.
They’re not nessecarily wrong, how many “boxes” are in minority’s areas where we’re told to go get activity (resulting in mostly Parker’s or anovs). We don’t go cruising for Parker’s on the west end of 008, west end 016, west end of 022 or south end of 004 that’s not in our box. Sounds like they should Blame the command staff for disproportionate enforcement by use box activity as a measurement of crime fighting
6/23/2018 07:52:00 AM
Now, why do you want to spoil it for the boxers?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I’d like to see the ticket numbers for Mt Greenwood, Beverly, Garfield Ridge, Clearing, Edison Park...
I bet the numbers are huge as people there just might be forced to make prompt payment.
6/23/2018 08:18:00 AM
I live in Garfield Ridge constantly see revenue here, ticketing for anything they can, because they know the mayor and his crew know that we will pay the bill!
I'm confused -----I have to keep my vehicle registration and insurance information current; I have to obey all traffic rules and regulations. I have to park my vehicle legally --- all because I don't live in a particular zip code? Does that mean that the US Postal Service is racist? If all I have to do is live in a predominantly low income area, I can just register my car using the address of Public Safety Headquarters!
I'm confused -----I have to keep my vehicle registration and insurance information current; I have to obey all traffic rules and regulations. I have to park my vehicle legally --- all because I don't live in a particular zip code? Does that mean that the US Postal Service is racist? If all I have to do is live in a predominantly low income area, I can just register my car using the address of Public Safety Headquarters!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I’d like to see the ticket numbers for Mt Greenwood, Beverly, Garfield Ridge, Clearing, Edison Park...
I bet the numbers are huge as people there just might be forced to make prompt payment.
6/23/2018 08:18:00 AM
I don’t care what that study says the above named neighborhoods are hit the hardest with parking enforcement bastards.
The ones already paying the freight are squeezed even harder.
This “story” is nonsensical bullshit.
"I’d like the ability to go into some of these high rise apartment buildings..."
You'd like the ability to make even more enemies.
6/23/2018 03:49:00 PM
Oh, fuck off.
Anyone basing their attitude towards law enforcement upon mickey mouse bullshit isn't an enemy, it's a fucking wasted nut.
Yeah, I know, wasted nuts are plentiful and their vote counts. So does the vote of the dead, the demented, the fictional and a whole slew of others whose names would be flushed from the registered, verified as quilified, voter rolls, were the democrats not totally controlling this region's fascist regime.
The enemies of America are self made, and that means you, ya fucking flake.
When are the cops in 001 directed by Burke clout baby Pigott going to start ticketing Rahm’s construction scum who park illegally in handicapped spots and other illegal spots with their vests hanging out? This is a daily occurrence all over south wabash and all the side streets. Sophia king will not even respond to the problem as won’t the Caps Officer. Sickening what Rahm has done to the South Loop.
To: 6/23/2018 09:26:00
You have earned a parsing.
1. The city depends on these tickets for revenue so they are in part a tax. (No, they are not a tax. Yes, they are targeted fines intended to increase revenues into the pig pot that demcrats use to fatten their elite hogs with.)
2. A tax that just happens to fall on minorities with greater impact. (No, again, not a tax AND no, not falling upon anyone not violating traffic laws.)
3. I can understand that these fines, combined with late fees etc can be a real burden on some people. (Yes, upon those who pay. No, upon those who do not pay, even when their hooptie gets booted, towed and, eventually, sold by the new owners, city.)
4. In many communities, it increases anger and resentment toward authorities. (Please, spare us the feeble minded theories, of which your's here is merely one, on why assholes are angry, why assholes resent and why assholes are increasing their aforementioned.)
5. However, the issuance of the tickets is not racist. The impact may be more severe for minorities but they are not the target. (Impact this, dunbass: don't violate traffic laws and the impact will be zero.)
6. The desire to use these tickets to raise revenue is the root cause of the conflict. (No, the hogs fattening themselves on egregiously bloated taxings is the root cause. There is no conflict here not fabricated to gain special privileges for the leeches, deflect attention from the hogs slobering and aggravate the rabble, as is the dedicated method of the democrats.)
7. Some people struggle to pay all the ways the city seeks to collect revenue. (Fuck you with your some people innuendo, asshole. Most citizens struggle with the bloated taxes, the added insults being the hog slobberings, the wasted nut panderings and the scheming mealy mouthed mutts of the whore media spouting their fake news fake reasons for said bloated taxations. Those whom you imply are struggling can diminish their struggles by.... Not violating traffic laws.)
8. And using the courts to raise revenue only creates community anger at the justice system. (This one merits brevity: Kiss your own ass.)
9. I would prefer a system where repeat offenders face escalating fines. (Repeat offenders already face escalating fines, shit brain. From booting to towing to forfeiture of vehocle, suspension of vehicle state plates, suspension of drivers license, etc. Those who your entire feeble comment refer to do not fucking care about not violating traffic laws.)
10. Being poor is a bitch. (No. Being a bitch is a bitch. Bitch.)
11. But try being more careful where you park and how you drive. (Holy Guacamole, Batman!!!! Now how about you beg them to also "try" to not murder each other, hmmmmmm?
Un fucking believable....
It might be that the city is not putting these cameras in better off areas. if that is the case, maybe there is some legitimate concern. It is hard to tell if the article is making that claim.
it seems to me though that people in certain areas of the city are more likely to engage in all kinds of law breaking than in better off areas.
6/23/2018 05:37:00 PM
The clueless is strong in this one.
The "city" puts them wherever there is sufficient likelihood of maximum revenue generated; this means Wherever.
Wherever + Maximum Revenue = Where they are PUT.
As for what the article is claiming. It is claiming what it's been designed to claim, written by the who the fuck ever who was told what to claim. By those who designed and intended it to seem to claim.
Boy, you post like you were literally born yesterday.
If tickets have a disparate impact on minorities, can the fact that they have nothing to lose be factored in with bad driving? I guarantee you those who are productive members of the community and actually work for a living and need a valid driver's license and insurance are better and safer driver's.
Expired meters and registration. Must be those meter maids.
to Un fucking believable....
You deserve a reality check.
7% of the city budget is from ticket fines. From Wikipedia "Fines can also be used as a form of tax" You can demand words to have a private meaning but if the city depends on these fines and revenue is budgeted to pay for regular city services they are a tax.
From the ABA
Criminal fines are intended to deter and punish crime, and the amount levied on an individual is typically based on the severity of the offense. Fees shift the costs of the system from taxpayers to the “users” of the courts. These revenues are not only used to pay for critical aspects of the justice system, they are frequently diverted to programs that fall far from the paramount goal of the criminal justice system: protecting public safety.
This isn’t just a theoretical or hypothetical concern. A 2015 report by the Department of Justice found that in Ferguson, Missouri, the city had “allowed its focus on revenue generation to fundamentally compromise the role of Ferguson’s municipal court.” The DOJ concluded it led to violations of the Fourteenth Amendment’s due process guarantee, which predominately harmed black Americans and threatened public safety. The report concluded that the focus on revenue collection had done much to undermine community trust in law enforcement and the courts
The human consequences from this dependence on fees and fines can be staggering. Although debtors’ prison has been deemed unconstitutional in every state in the nation, defendants often face jail time for their inability to pay fees and fines. In many states, failure to pay results in a driver’s license suspension, which can dramatically limit a person’s ability to work or care for their family. Often, additional fines and fees accrue and interest is levied, leaving people thousands of dollars in debt, trapped in a cycle of poverty, and spinning through the revolving door of the criminal justice system. It’s a situation that can devastate low-income communities and sow deep distrust between citizens and the government.
Community safety should be the primary concern. But if ticketing and related fines are being imposed as a way to generate revenue something is going wrong. But just write your tickets and say fuck you to the world. Be a bitter prick who doesn't give a fuck about the impact of blind hatred. The goal is to make communities safer and better places to live.
On June 1st 2018 the Illinois Supreme Court ruled on this issue in People v. Vara, 2018 IL 121823
On May 31st HB 4594- The Criminal and Traffic Assessment Act was passed by the Illinois General Assembly and may be signed by the Governor.
So sorry to inform you that the courts and legislature are moving against your view.
BTW
The findings of Statutory Court Fee Task Force of Illinois,
Illinois imposes a dizzying array of filing fees on civil litigants and court costs on defendants in criminal and traffic cases. Skyrocketing fees in civil cases in recent years have effectively priced many of our state’s most economically vulnerable citizens out of the opportunity to participate in the court system. Similar increases in court costs for criminal and traffic proceedings now often result in financial impacts that are excessive for the offense in question and disproportionate to the fines that are intended to impose an appropriate punishment for the offense. In virtually all civil, traffic, and criminal proceedings, wide county-to-county variations in the fees and costs for the same type of proceedings injects additional arbitrariness and unfairness into the system.
The company sells two different model cameras “folks” and “non-folks”. City apparently ordered wrong ones. Spoke to Vice President of company. She stated that they were still under warranty and could be exchanged for correct ones. Problem solved.
Before gentrification evicted my white ass from my childhood home in Lakeview, I used to take the brown line into downtown. It would then pass by Cabrini Green and its parking lots full of cars. I would often wonder how the residents could afford a car, let alone the license and city sticker and "I" was stuck riding the train! Disparity indeed!
Anonymous said...
1. 7% of the city budget is from ticket fines. From Wikipedia "Fines can also be used as a form of tax"
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2. ....So sorry to inform you that the courts and legislature are moving against your view.
6/24/2018 09:43:00 AM
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3. ....In virtually all civil, traffic, and criminal proceedings, wide county-to-county variations in the fees and costs for the same type of proceedings injects additional arbitrariness and unfairness into the system.
6/24/2018 09:46:00 AM
Thus, you play the binary choices only game. Democrat confirmed.
Note:
1. You use fucking wikipedia as your authoritative source? On a perception of opinion, at that? Democrat.
2. You play the, sorry you are right and I am wrong, binary game, using the feeble presumption of that game, (infantile), when you state, as fact, your intentional misrepresentation of what my view actually is. Then you lie about being sorry. Yep, Democrat.
3. Then, as if you hadn't babbled sufficiently to meet your daily babbling quota, you post a follow up comment, this time quoting the fucking, feckless, fake named american bar association; nothing American about these pukes, if they are a bar, they suck at running one and the associations are purely financial for many ofbtheir members, not at all moral, ethical or honest.
And to top it off, you cling to this disparite effect bullshit throughout you rantings.
A clue, just for you:
All the right words, in whatever abundance, strung together in all the seemingly reasonable sequences, do not equal valid meanings, when your intentions are Democrat based.
All the summation of your series of comments equals is:
Special discounts for the special peoples must, again, be Given.
Always with the give me, give me, I neeeeeeeds to be give meeeeee!!!!!
Who be doing all this giving?
Democrats.
Where be all this giving come from?
Taken from those NOT democrats, those who earn what they have, thus, having, are taken from, by.... Democrats, via TAXES.
Who be getting that which is be giving?
Loyal voters who vote only for..... Democrats.
Who be hoopin' an' hollerin' when dey violate the traffic laws, thus incurring FINES imposed upon them, for..... Violating Traffic Laws?
Why, dey dat be getting that that be given, by those that be taking, (DEMOCRATS), from those who are making/earning what they have, which, to DEMOCRATS, exists for the sole purpose of being Taken via TAXES.
It's the Democrats hog slobbering, lustful greed for more, ever more, taking via TAXES, to, (in minor part, tho the sum of the quanties is far from minor), feed the can't seem to get the hang of NOT driving like an asshole crowd, to buy this crowds' votes, + the major ravenous hunger of the hogs to keep increasing their daily gorgings, that = BOTH absurd Taxes & Merciless Fines. The former ass fucking is much LESS for the give me, give me, give me rabble, the latter is also much LESS for the hogs and their fellow oinkers, and always much MORE for everyone else, you know, the ones who earn and are taken from.
So, don't violate traffic laws and you won't be hit with the fines.
The rabble already have much LESS to pay via taxes. They've done the brilliant math and determined that the shittier they make they neighboehoods, the lower their property assessments will be and, thus, the less they will be duned for the greater benefits they get from that total, bloated crook county yearly budget whack.
The rabble already get mucho free, yeah, to them, free, benefits, now, (because of the Democrats), thoroughly insisted to be, wait for it.... Entitlements!!
The rabble already get mucho breaks in the consequences for their Criminal Acts, their Violent Criminal acts to boot.
And you, you feckless Democrat, now want them to get special discounts on their violating traffic laws.
Damn, boo boo, you are one, thoroughly saturated Democrat.
Why can't you just give drivers a red light ticket that does not go on their driving record it's all about the money right?
“We don’t go cruising for Parker’s on the west end of 008, ”
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You’re out of your fucking mind if you think any resident (like me) in 811 believes that. If you’re not writing parker’s as a cop, it’s because of the Revenue army that is sent there beats you to it. I personally have watched them park up the block and WAIT for a hospice nurse to make her 10 minute visit to my grandmother (who also lives in 811) enter the house so they could swoop in and write a ticket for no residential parking permit. This is with a nurse exiting in scrubs WITH A SIGN ON HER DASHBOARD THAT READS “HOSPICE NIRSE”. I’m real sorry that my bedridden grandmother can’t make it to a shitcago office to get the guest passes, seeing as how she can’t walk and is dying and all. Also, the office on Archer wouldn’t sell me guest passes because I’m not the resident of the house despite bringing copies of her bills and Chicago senior ID card. You’re right, we should be accountable.
Let me know if revenue agents watch nurses park in Englewood and write them a ticket while they are giving a morphine shot to a dying taxpayer.
So don’t worry sparky, you can go back to your 2 hour lunch at Portillo’s, Revenue is holding everyone rightfully accountable on the west end of 8.
Why don’t you get off your asses and exit the squad once in a while and address the shitheads smoking weed all day every day on the east alley stairs leading to the basement of the Kinzie gym and get your dime bag pinch points so my kid and I don’t have to smell it when we walk to the park?
Lets get this on the ballots to change the law if your a convicted felon you lose your right to vote. Since you are a law breaking citizen, a danger to society and a non-contributing to social security.
good grandson; how bout you become a cop,then you can end all this shit going on.
>>>You’re out of your fucking mind if you think any resident (like me) in 811 believes that. If you’re not writing parker’s as a cop, it’s because of the Revenue army that is sent there beats you to it. I personally have watched them park up the block and WAIT for a hospice nurse to make her 10 minute visit to my grandmother (who also lives in 811) enter the house so they could swoop in and write a ticket for no residential parking permit. This is with a nurse exiting in scrubs WITH A SIGN ON HER DASHBOARD THAT READS “HOSPICE NIRSE”. I’m real sorry that my bedridden grandmother can’t make it to a shitcago office to get the guest passes, seeing as how she can’t walk and is dying and all. Also, the office on Archer wouldn’t sell me guest passes because I’m not the resident of the house despite bringing copies of her bills and Chicago senior ID card. You’re right, we should be accountable. <<<
HOSPICE NURSE sign should make this a Service Vehicle and make it exempt from the Residential Parking ordinance. People should think about this and other money traps like holding up permits if city bills are not paid before they petition for residential parking.
About street cleaning, they don't post the signs early enough. I once got hold of a revenuer on a bike and told him my neighbor left early the day before him the true story that my neighbor went to Texas to collect his mother's remains and bring them back home to Chicago.. Thankfully he didn't write the ticket and we found a relative who moved the car.
Anonymous said...
Lets get this on the ballots to change the law if your a convicted felon you lose your right to vote. Since you are a law breaking citizen, a danger to society and a non-contributing to social security.
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I’m with him
They get more tickets because they drive faster through the areas marked with cameras because they are trying to get away from the hoodlums that everyone is protecting and handing your things over to.
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