Furlough Calendars Out
And as a couple of people pointed out, the Department has switched Change Days back to Thursdays, like it was pre-McCompstat.
Why? What could possibly be the reason?
Why? What could possibly be the reason?
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
128 Comments:
6-2 maybe?
Less weekend coverage, believe it or not, the Department actually figured this out on their own.
A whole slew of reasons that benefit the Department to squeeze every nickel and dime out of the contract.
To make you use more comp time.
To make some merit hack at HQ look like they’re doing something. It honestly doesn’t make any sense because it’s going to screw with a lot of people’s vacation plans they had coming up for furloughs. This department surprises me more and more every day by finding away to uneccessarily fuck even more shit up and sink to a new low. Keep it going you merit morons!!! Make us proud!
Fucking 20 day max
Reason? We are going back to April 1994 in the way-back machine!
Get ready for the 6 days on and 2 days off progressing forward with two 3 day weekends off out of every 6 weekends!
And rotating watches/shifts progress backwards every 28 days in the 1-3-2 pattern!
And no more bullshit of overlapping watches and people hanging around the station unable to hit the street because there are no empty squads. Starting times are returning to 2300 hours or midnight, 0700 hours or 0800 hours and 1500 hours or 1600 hours.
The NKOTB are going to be shocked! Oh, the pissing and moaning is going to commence! Be the change, more like enjoy the change because change days are coming back!
Look at the upside. Watch parties! Look at the downside. You are on CPD!
This is the runt 9.5's sayonara fuck you! Enjoy!
You will receive weekends off on the front and back of an approved furlough now, even without an approved extension. Check the calendar next year with your furlough picks. With change day on Sunday you started furlough on Sunday and returned to duty on Sunday, without an extension or factoring in your DOG.
O.T. Rumor is that we might go on the watch to old start times for Patrol, keeping the 4-2 schedule. 1st watch 2300hrs / 2400hrs, 2nd watch 0700hrs / 0800hrs, and 3rd watch 1500hrs / 1600hrs, and Rapid times for watches. The thinking is, the Consent Decree wants roll call and training for the first hour of the tour and the City will use less vehicles. We will all share one vehicle for a beat again. This includes .30hrs unpaid lunch.
There has to be a benifit for the City.
Next up: Back to the 6 -2 schedule......then hop skip and jump to the 28 day rotating watches.
We’re going back to the 6 and 2’s
Hopefully to end the horrendous 10 hour day.
Going back to 6-2 schedule
OT - So I was ordered to the Implicit Bias Training today. The classes are being conducted by the Anti Defamation League with some of its employees doing the teaching. Let me start out by saying the class was not all that bad as they really didn’t try to shove a lot of liberal bullshit down our throats as was expected. The two instructors we had were very nice and only asked that we as police try and approach situations understanding that we do have some “implicit” bias. They themselves admitted that they carry a few pretty heavy biases and gave some believable examples. Here’s the problem that I and most of the other coppers had with the class; the instructors had absolutely no idea what we do on the street or the situations we encounter every day. One instructor went as far as to honestly say that the only knowledge she has of police work is from watching crime shows on television. The instructors had never done a ride along and stated they wouldn’t even know how to ask to do one. A instructor said she had never been to a beat meeting and didn’t even know there were such things. Now both instructors we had, I guess there are two to a class that work together, took a pretty heavy verbal beating the first half of the class as most of the cops in the class were not happy at all to be there and let it be known. In the second half of the class most had calmed down and actually started participating in the discussions. Since this past week was the first round of classes I can only hope that the instructors try and educate themselves on what its actually like to be a Chicago cop or put on some pretty thick skin to deflect the resentment their captive audience has for being there. For those that haven’t gone yet; parking is easy and free, lunch is long, dress is casual and if there isn’t to much discussion they get through the required material pretty fast.
Because they're going to go back to 6 on 2 off days and no more 10 hr days...that's why. What you thought they were going to tell us? Hell no. This will be the last F/U from 9 1/2 finger midget dancer as he'll sail away laughing
OT: just new guy here asking for advice to a possible scenario that I might find myself in. If I attempt to stop someone I believe just committed a crime or may have been involved in a crime and the person takes off running. I catch up to him and have to tackle him to take him down. I end up not being able to prove he was involved or committed a crime. Can I still charge him with resisting/obstructing because I had a lawful reason to detain him to try to investigate the initial crime? Thanks. I just don’t want to get jammed up.
Vote Republican vote no for retention change the game vote today it's easy
18 months.
Just write paper don't do shit if you need a part time job look for one vote Republican do the right thing
Fuck fop they don't do shit retired police officer 2004
Just what Shitcago needs...
https://www.freep.com/story/news/investigations/2018/10/24/mcoles-michigan-reserve-cops/1353397002/
Maybe because Wednesday is Prince Spaghetti Day?
Because none of the administrative work was getting done with the bosse's secretaries all having weekends and holidays off, and extending it into an early day on Friday, nothing was done until Thursday anyway. The last few years of Sunday starting the week, everything had to be done by Friday morning, this gives them the extra three days before the effective date on Thursday. Also, it puts adjustments t week back to the first week in January instead of mid year.
Stupid, I hate the new calendar!
We're going back to 6-2!
why is tom dart running unopposed?
i would vote for anybody else if i could...
so many, mostly democrats, i had to leave blank on the ballot.
i also voted for no judges, NO for all retention's of them.
who are these people? nobody knows them. why are they on the ballot???
Lack of Weekend manpower.
With ending on a Saturday almost everyone was taking Sunday as an extension.
And starting on Sunday almost everyone took Saturday as an extension.
Now 2 whole weekends in a segment with NO extensions needed.
They should have unfucked everything streetlights fucked up just like trump is doing with Obozos idiotic policies.
6-2 in the works to make a reappearance since it allows more officers on the street, so the city thinks.
765B
The way the furlough extension is written out in the contract. I believe it’s due to Watch operation Lts were not allowing P/O’s to extend their furloughs in front or past their day off after furlough segments then p/o’s were left with unused V days. Hmmm but they take off like a month on their furlough segment. Do as I tell you not as I do.
O.T. Migrant Caravan
The migrant caravan is being supported by many non profit organizations, leftist groups, etc. from the U.S.
I wonder where those groups are getting their funding from.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-25/migrant-caravan-crosses-southern-mexico-unimpeded-local-groups-offer-food-support
That is a "change" but yet we are at day 2 of "consent decree" anti-police nonsense hearings which of course will pass resoundingly, in the city county state where democrats seem to cheer the peoples/folks and constantly bash the police! The media rides with them constantly,and seeks revenge on anything police or law and order people do! We have the most dishonest,fake media apparatus in the country right here, totally controlled by city hall and democratic strategists. The only goal of democrats is to get reelected people be damned.
With the consent decree the only coppers working now are the "hey I am tac" skinny jeans,baseball backward cap guys and gals,when this passes they even will stop or will they?
what is Tac?
tac
A type of cannabis smoked mostly in the North East of England.
Brown and hard, but goes soft when warmed up in order for the dealer to cut it into different sizes.
Only 2% THC.
Lasts alot longer than skunk.
The best way to smoke it is with a bucket/boosh or a bong but you have to burn the tac off and sprinkle it in the chillum or pipe.
Tac joints make nasty rockies which burn through clothes.
First person: Hey, want a bit of this tac joint?
Second person: No man, I can't be getting rockie holes in this jacket, sort us a boosh though?
First person: 'Kay, but I can't be arsed sprinkling it, you do it.
*No wonder they stay on tac you have to be high to do anything!
OT
Don't be stupid. Don't be next.
In the courthouse lobby, [Jesse] Jackson added that 50 years without a murder conviction for a Chicago officer was “evidence of how long” Chicago has had a problem with police. He said one conviction is not a final solution.
FINAL SOLUTION??
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/frustration-chicago-policing-judge-consent-decree-hearing/
Vote today vote Republican let's change the game !
What’s old is new again.
It never should’ve changed in the first place just another of McNumbnuts boneheaded moves.
Does this Department know anything that they do? it is controlled by under accomplished merit individuals who lack any brains or common sense. Love the way they think they are so smart but were given their position because of entitlement and clout
Reason? We are going back to April 1994 in the way-back machine!
Get ready for the 6 days on and 2 days off progressing forward with two 3 day weekends off out of every 6 weekends!
And rotating watches/shifts progress backwards every 28 days in the 1-3-2 pattern!
And no more bullshit of overlapping watches and people hanging around the station unable to hit the street because there are no empty squads. Starting times are returning to 2300 hours or midnight, 0700 hours or 0800 hours and 1500 hours or 1600 hours.
The NKOTB are going to be shocked! Oh, the pissing and moaning is going to commence! Be the change, more like enjoy the change because change days are coming back!
Look at the upside. Watch parties! Look at the downside. You are on CPD!
This is the runt 9.5's sayonara fuck you! Enjoy!
If true, then it should be furlough by seniority. Bring back 6-2 means 8 hour days no more .50 ct burn for baby furlough. Bring it back I can wait for 3 day weekends. I use less ct time.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT: just new guy here asking for advice to a possible scenario that I might find myself in. If I attempt to stop someone I believe just committed a crime or may have been involved in a crime and the person takes off running. I catch up to him and have to tackle him to take him down. I end up not being able to prove he was involved or committed a crime. Can I still charge him with resisting/obstructing because I had a lawful reason to detain him to try to investigate the initial crime? Thanks. I just don’t want to get jammed up.
10/25/2018 03:38:00 AM
Call in sick, then you won't have that happenj...
@OT: just new guy here asking for advice to a possible scenario that I might find myself in. If I attempt to stop someone I believe just committed a crime or may have been involved in a crime and the person take....."
New guy,
You should have paid attention in the academy.
You should have paid attention to your FTO.
You should know what your doing,
You should never chase on foot or in a car for "believing." You need "reasonable suspicion."
There are a lot of information needed for reasonable suspicion.
Easy answer: Don't chase anybody.
Anonymous said...
You will receive weekends off on the front and back of an approved furlough now, even without an approved extension. Check the calendar next year with your furlough picks. With change day on Sunday you started furlough on Sunday and returned to duty on Sunday, without an extension or factoring in your DOG.
O.T. Rumor is that we might go on the watch to old start times for Patrol, keeping the 4-2 schedule. 1st watch 2300hrs / 2400hrs, 2nd watch 0700hrs / 0800hrs, and 3rd watch 1500hrs / 1600hrs, and Rapid times for watches. The thinking is, the Consent Decree wants roll call and training for the first hour of the tour and the City will use less vehicles. We will all share one vehicle for a beat again. This includes .30hrs unpaid lunch
You have it all wrong kid,
Start times will remain the same and so will the 4-2 schedule.
Beginning the 1st period, every PO in patrol will be issued a department cell phone thru Vanecko Communications. This cell phone will be equipped with the UBER app, so you will call for UBER to take you to your next call. The department will be doing away with all patrol cars except for the wagons. This will eliminate maintenance, damage from accidents and outlaw any vehicle chases. Or you can sign out a Cushman when it rains. Oh those cushmans were a neat vehicle for writing tickets on 26th street.
Retired now so I use my calendar book under the short leg of my kitchen table. It does have a use.
(OT) say whatever you want about this copper John Catazara he has “testicular fortitude” we need this guy as a leader not afraid to speak out at Fop
https://www.google.com/amp/s/chicago.suntimes.com/news/frustration-chicago-policing-judge-consent-decree-hearing/amp/
Anonymous said...
OT: just new guy here asking for advice to a possible scenario that I might find myself in. If I attempt to stop someone I believe just committed a crime or may have been involved in a crime and the person takes off running. I catch up to him and have to tackle him to take him down. I end up not being able to prove he was involved or committed a crime. Can I still charge him with resisting/obstructing because I had a lawful reason to detain him to try to investigate the initial crime? Thanks. I just don’t want to get jammed up.
10/25/2018 03:38:00 AM
New guy, eh?
You rub up against all kinds of Police
from your Captain to the ghouls in lock-up...
Any number of all kinds of Police at your disposal
who have more time OTJ and can help set you straight
on your question.
Bet you read the shit house wall
and are surprised to see your name.
New guy?
Get the entire fuck outta heah.
Another media or aclu troll rears it's ugly head...
Hmmm...
Most likely media.
Sweeps are coming up and since Policemen
(the smarter ones anyway) have reduced their
radar signature, there hasn't been enough
anti-Police controversy being generated of
late aside from: "Too Powerful Cop Union
Still Resisting Being Reformed" and other
silly shit.
I know as officers we don’t have a say so, but hell no, now way would I like to go back to the 6-2. If this was true the useless fop needs to jump on this. Working those 6-2 for so long was horrible. I wouldn’t put it past the city, look at the civilians that work the desk. I believe they work 6-2
Anonymous said...
Because they're going to go back to 6 on 2 off days and no more 10 hr days...that's why. What you thought they were going to tell us? Hell no. This will be the last F/U from 9 1/2 finger midget dancer as he'll sail away laughing
10/25/2018 02:39:00 AM
Going back to 6-2 will be the death sentence for what’s left of morale. Cops will be miserable and burnt out. I’m hoping the department isn’t that foolish but it wouldn’t surprise me. Changing the start times makes sense but 6-2 would be very bad!
No me, never again. Retired. Gone. Thank God
Anonymous said...
OT: just new guy here asking for advice to a possible scenario that I might find myself in. If I attempt to stop someone I believe just committed a crime or may have been involved in a crime and the person takes off running. I catch up to him and have to tackle him to take him down. I end up not being able to prove he was involved or committed a crime. Can I still charge him with resisting/obstructing because I had a lawful reason to detain him to try to investigate the initial crime? Thanks. I just don’t want to get jammed up.
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Fleeing in itself from police is not a crime (not in crooked Chicago). In some states like Florida it would be a charge of fleeing & eluding on foot. Don’t get out the car and chase him, because now there is a foot chase policy and if the subject runs into traffic I’m pretty sure kimmie is willing to charge you with 1st degree murder because you should have stayed in your car.
OT: just new guy here asking for advice to a possible scenario that I might find myself in. If I attempt to stop someone I believe just committed a crime or may have been involved in a crime and the person takes off running. I catch up to him and have to tackle him to take him down. I end up not being able to prove he was involved or committed a crime. Can I still charge him with resisting/obstructing because I had a lawful reason to detain him to try to investigate the initial crime? Thanks. I just don’t want to get jammed up.
No its not against the law to run from the police. It just gives you reasonable suspicion to give chase. Look at illinois v. Wordlaw.
First of all change day was for when we used to rotate watches so I don’t think it’s indicative of the fact that we’re changing any kind of work schedule but it probably is a man power issue
Keep in mind Duty Availability pay is figured into pension. City wants to get rid of duty availability pay to help decrease pension payments. City argues that pay is unjustified because POs don't have to rotate to different watches, also because of furlough by watch POs don't have to fill in for manpower shortages due to furloughs (i.e. 2nd watch with most seniority was short during summer and xmas, 1st watch was short in beginning of year).
City only wants to pay tact and special unit members who have rotating watches. Example given was why should a PO in the district working M-F days as a district secretary get duty availability when the only district member with rotating watches are tact members.
FOP wants to keep duty availability pay (which increases your pension benefit), so watches will rotate to justify pay. However admin staff will still not rotate watches.
Coppers say "it's not in the contract" Han sorry read it management who we work for makes the hours, yes 6-2 are back and possibly rotation get ready new kids it's coming! Furlough the city gets more back, if your not happy with that "marketing" degree you could always find a career with that diploma. Then again you would be working about 60 hours a week for $40,000 a year inline with you being "smart!"
To 10/25/2018 03:38:00 AM,
No, it is not a crime to run from the police. You will fill out an ISR/receipt (for that illegal search you will conduct) and possibly a TRR if that subject claims injury from the force used on him/her.
The running from police is not a crime has been addressed for years now. Also, the act of running from the police is only one factor to establish RAS, remember we need multiple factors.
Heard the fop is fighting to lift residency because of the consent decree etc. heard from multiple coppers, any validity to this?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT: just new guy here asking for advice to a possible scenario that I might find myself in. If I attempt to stop someone I believe just committed a crime or may have been involved in a crime and the person takes off running. I catch up to him and have to tackle him to take him down. I end up not being able to prove he was involved or committed a crime. Can I still charge him with resisting/obstructing because I had a lawful reason to detain him to try to investigate the initial crime? Thanks. I just don’t want to get jammed up.
Reckless conduct although good luck in court with that.
Got a 25 working day furlough. So who cares.
OT: just new guy here asking for advice to a possible scenario that I might find myself in. If I attempt to stop someone I believe just committed a crime or may have been involved in a crime and the person takes off running. I catch up to him and have to tackle him to take him down. I end up not being able to prove he was involved or committed a crime. Can I still charge him with resisting/obstructing because I had a lawful reason to detain him to try to investigate the initial crime? Thanks. I just don’t want to get jammed up.
10/25/2018 03:38:00 AM
If you don't know the answer to that then you're either a troll or you need to go back to the academy! Why are you chasing and tackling people anyway dumbass?
Oh boy I hope we go back to the 6-2! Maybe even rotating again as well! I love watching our snowflake generation know it alls cry when they don't get their way!
To the new guy with the possible scenerio. A subject cannot resist arrest if he isn't under arrest. If he runs and you catch him, that's when your investigation begins. Everything else is evidence of suspicious conduct. If, while he is running he commits additional crimes, i.e. reckless conduct like running through the street causing traffic to take evasive action to avoid hitting or you etc, then that is an arrestable crime. You can also see if some citizen other than you or your partner want to sign a complaint against him for state disorderly conduct after he disturbs them or caused them alarm etc, then you can do that as well. Running from the police is not a crime. If he has committed a criminal act and is under arrest, and the refuses to submit to that arrest that is resisting. You cannot arrest him just for running, and you can't charge him for resisting until he resists arrest. There are a lot of technicalities and even more what if's, but basically keep up with him until you or someone gets him stopped, but even then he's not under arrest until you identify a crime he has committed. Tackling him is a use of force and requires a TRR. You'll need to justify your use of force, so be mindful of that when you tackle someone for investigation. If his actions are reckless, or he throws a gun, narcotics or proceeds from a crime while running, then tackle away. If not, just tire him out until he stops and gives up. And if he's tired out, his resistance will be mi imap anyway and there will be little or no need for additional use of force. Use your head and your radio, coordinate with your other units and tire him out, dont get yourself hurt of jammed up for excessive force for tackling someone not arrestable or under arrest in the first place. Hope that helps.
A scary part of the implicit bias training was when the instructor said that we should close our eyes for a moment when we pull up on the scene of a call and put ourselves in the shoes of those people involved. Really close our eyes??!! a lot of sociological mumbo jumbo I say.
To comment about obstructing. Yes you can charge him with obstructing. Just be careful with reason for stop. It's better you have an actual violation of law when you do stop (ie walking in street) then when it's just a Terry stop (investigation only stop). There's just less questions about the lawfulness of stop and arrest. However if you are tackling someone and need to do TRR they should be arrested even if obstructing is only charge.
The HouseMouse Follies, too much idle time, too little interest, too late gettin’in.
To cut and paste a Calendar template, they had to go back to 2008 in order to use a Thursday Change Day for 2019.
1st Period 2012 started the new CCHIPPS For Sanctuary Money Saving Change Day (thank you very much) schedule, where these people cheat you out of Hours vs. Days on your Furlough and take another .50 for BFD slip. Bad move FOP.
Rotating coming back?
Single Party Contract Negotiations and Madigroin Consent Decree mandate addendum not previously released.
House and Field Mouse exemptions still apply but will be upped to 30% for 2019.
Whatever’sup it’ll be another stab in the back from Lame Dix Rahm’n Special Aid.
Keep trudging along to the 1st and 16th and collect your chips.
That’s all that matters.
Stay fetal.
18 months left for me too. I hate this job more every fucking day.
No way will the city regress to the 6-2. It’s Impossible. Does anyone realize that the reduction in official complaints manifested immediately upon the adoption of the modern work schedule. And with more police oversight coming, the city will not jeopardize the fruits of its reforms in terms of diminishing complaint volume by reinstating an antiquated schedule.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT: just new guy here asking for advice to a possible scenario that I might find myself in. If I attempt to stop someone I believe just committed a crime or may have been involved in a crime and the person takes off running. I catch up to him and have to tackle him to take him down. I end up not being able to prove he was involved or committed a crime. Can I still charge him with resisting/obstructing because I had a lawful reason to detain him to try to investigate the initial crime? Thanks. I just don’t want to get jammed up.
10/25/2018 03:38:00 AM
For few years now we’ve been saying don’t chase anyone. Why would you chase? Nothing good awaits for you at the end of a chase. Some people never learn. I know this didn’t answer the question but I have completely stopped wondering the “what if”? Take no action.
Blogger Mr. SouthSide said...
Maybe because Wednesday is Prince Spaghetti Day?
10/25/2018 06:46:00 AM
Anthony Martignetti is never late for dinner on Wednesday.
I don’t think the department is dumb enough to go back to the 6-2. It was hated and would be devastating to the troops. The majority of departments are going to better schedules with more days of to prevent burnout and create happier employees. Going back to the 6-2 would be the opposite of what they’ve been saying about creating better workers with less fatigue. I don’t think any department does the 6-2. Most are 10 or 12 hour days.
Sorry. Love the 10 hour schedule. Hope the keep it !
OT - So I was ordered to the Implicit Bias Training today. The classes are being conducted by the Anti Defamation League with some of its employees doing the teaching. Let me start out by saying the class was not all that bad as they really didn’t try to shove a lot of liberal bullshit down our throats as was expected. The two instructors we had were very nice and only asked that we as police try and approach situations understanding that we do have some “implicit” bias. "
---NO, STOP right there with "we all have some form of implicit bias" Study after study has shown that this cannot be proven as their is no way to score something that we as humans are not even conscious of, we can all thank the Pseudoscience that is the Implicit Association test (IAT). There is a reason this ACLU backed garbage has never or will never be used in a courtroom.
"OT: just new guy here asking for advice to a possible scenario that I might find myself in. If I attempt to stop someone I believe just committed a crime or may have been involved in a crime and the person takes off running. I catch up to him and have to tackle him to take him down. I end up not being able to prove he was involved or committed a crime. Can I still charge him with resisting/obstructing because I had a lawful reason to detain him to try to investigate the initial crime? Thanks. I just don’t want to get jammed up."
Are you serious? Read the ILCS. Wow. "A person who knowingly resists or obstructs the performance by one known to the person to be a peace officer, firefighter, or correctional institution employee of any authorized act within his or her official capacity commits a Class A misdemeanor." Does that answer your question???
Just don't chase him, if you don't have a case for an arrest that you can articulate on paper before starting the foot pursuit then don't start it. ARE YOU NOT LISTENING/OBSERVING WHAT IS GOING ON?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT: just new guy here asking for advice to a possible scenario that I might find myself in. If I attempt to stop someone I believe just committed a crime or may have been involved in a crime and the person takes off running. I catch up to him and have to tackle him to take him down. I end up not being able to prove he was involved or committed a crime. Can I still charge him with resisting/obstructing because I had a lawful reason to detain him to try to investigate the initial crime? Thanks. I just don’t want to get jammed up.
10/25/2018 03:38:00 AM
OT: just new guy here asking for advice to a possible scenario that I might find myself in. If I attempt to stop someone I believe just committed a crime or may have been involved in a crime and the person takes off running. I catch up to him and have to tackle him to take him down. I end up not being able to prove he was involved or committed a crime. Can I still charge him with resisting/obstructing because I had a lawful reason to detain him to try to investigate the initial crime? Thanks. I just don’t want to get jammed up.
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There is a huge difference between thinking someone might be involved in criminal activity and being able to explain why you thought so in a coherent manner. Most cops believe if they think so that is enough, but it is not supposed to work that way, and slowly but surely the courts are headed that way. Likely you are going to have to state what it was about someone that made you believe a crime was being committed and get either a skeptical judge (or jury) to believe you.
Running away is not actually a crime and in most cases cannot be used as the sole reason for stopping someone. There is also no law that generally says anyone has to talk to you. A person you are interacting with can just leave unless you have reason to detain or arrest him.
Reasonable does not mean you actually have any evidence of guilt. It's perfectly reasonable to detain someone who actually matches the description of a criminal suspect, even to the point of using force. It's not reasonable to detain someone who is a black male if that is the only description you have (short of him being the only black male for a mile in any direction).
look at it this way. if your son was detained by a cop for the same reason you are detaining this guy would you think it was "reasonable"? If you actually do you are likely pretty safe. if you would object, it may not be reasonable. And keep in mind it is a judge that decides such things.
I have 17 years on, how many times has the city messed with CFD schedule? Oh that’s right 0, this job is a complete joke.
Everytime something changes everyone jumps to conclusions...maybe stop being so negative.
OT: just new guy here asking for advice to a possible scenario that I might find myself in. If I attempt to stop someone I believe just committed a crime or may have been involved in a crime and the person takes off running. I catch up to him and have to tackle him to take him down. I end up not being able to prove he was involved or committed a crime. Can I still charge him with resisting/obstructing because I had a lawful reason to detain him to try to investigate the initial crime? Thanks. I just don’t want to get jammed up.
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No, they are allowed to run from you. But under certain circumstances (not all the time) you can chase them and detain them and investigate. And if they committed a crime or have a weapon on them that you found during a pardon you can arrest them. If you tackle them and they have done nothing but run (and didnt commit any crimes while running) that's on you. This went to the Supreme Court, ironically involving Chicago Police. Illinois vs. Wardlow. Read it and educate yourself.
Hey new guy. 2:19 is not correct. It is not legal for an individual to flee from a police officer when a police officer has legally detained detained him/her. But you"re better off not stopping someone with "just reasonable suspicion". Use an actual violation of a law or ordinance like a previous poster explained.
To the poster who mentioned illinois vs wardlaw. Read the case. The individual fled from police upon sight, prior to police having established probable cause or reasonable suspicion. New guy is asking about flight after having established reasonable suspicion. and a subject flees from him thus circumventing (obstructing) a lawful detention (lawful act within the officer's official capacity). Make sure in this event you order him to stop or make it clear he is not free to go. But again....., you're much better off not even attempting to stop someone for just reasonable suspicion.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Oh boy I hope we go back to the 6-2! Maybe even rotating again as well! I love watching our snowflake generation know it alls cry when they don't get their way!
Retards like you are the problem. We're getting shit on by our employer, the media, the public etc. And here you are talking shit and being a dick towards other coppers. We're all in this together clown, maybe someday you'll figure that out.
Anonymous said...
OT: just new guy here asking for advice to a possible scenario that I might find myself in. If I attempt to stop someone I believe just committed a crime or may have been involved in a crime and the person takes off running. I catch up to him and have to tackle him to take him down. I end up not being able to prove he was involved or committed a crime. Can I still charge him with resisting/obstructing because I had a lawful reason to detain him to try to investigate the initial crime? Thanks. I just don’t want to get jammed up.
No its not against the law to run from the police. It just gives you reasonable suspicion to give chase. Look at illinois v. Wordlaw.
10/25/2018 12:32:00 PM
Ok, so let’s say I pull up to a burglary in progress. As I pull up a person matching the description takes off running. I tackle him and when I bring him back and he turns out to be just a local that thought I was going to stop him for something else and ran. He matched the description and was in front of the house and ran. I definitely have RAS, but i believe that’s also obstructing. I had a lawful reason to detain him and he obstructed the investigation. No??
Anonymous said...
Heard the fop is fighting to lift residency because of the consent decree etc. heard from multiple coppers, any validity to this?
10/25/2018 01:22:00 PM
Absolutely not not happening guaranteed!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
To the new guy with the possible scenerio. A subject cannot resist arrest if he isn't under arrest. If he runs and you catch him, that's when your investigation begins. Everything else is evidence of suspicious conduct. If, while he is running he commits additional crimes, i.e. reckless conduct like running through the street causing traffic to take evasive action to avoid hitting or you etc, then that is an arrestable crime. You can also see if some citizen other than you or your partner want to sign a complaint against him for state disorderly conduct after he disturbs them or caused them alarm etc, then you can do that as well. Running from the police is not a crime. If he has committed a criminal act and is under arrest, and the refuses to submit to that arrest that is resisting. You cannot arrest him just for running, and you can't charge him for resisting until he resists arrest. There are a lot of technicalities and even more what if's, but basically keep up with him until you or someone gets him stopped, but even then he's not under arrest until you identify a crime he has committed. Tackling him is a use of force and requires a TRR. You'll need to justify your use of force, so be mindful of that when you tackle someone for investigation. If his actions are reckless, or he throws a gun, narcotics or proceeds from a crime while running, then tackle away. If not, just tire him out until he stops and gives up. And if he's tired out, his resistance will be mi imap anyway and there will be little or no need for additional use of force. Use your head and your radio, coordinate with your other units and tire him out, dont get yourself hurt of jammed up for excessive force for tackling someone not arrestable or under arrest in the first place. Hope that helps.
10/25/2018 02:19:00 PM
What if you have a guy stopped for a terry stop and in the midst of running his name he takes off running b/c he thinks he has a warrant. You end up catching and tasing him because he won’t give up his arms (resisting). He turns out to not to have the warrant. So according to the above post he can’t resist arrest b/c he’s not under arrest? Then what would you do? Taze him and then say oh sorry, have a nice day?
Rumors....rumors....rumors
"OT: just new guy here asking for advice to a possible scenario that I might find myself in. If I attempt to stop someone I believe just committed a crime or may have been involved in a crime and the person takes off running. I catch up to him and have to tackle him to take him down. I end up not being able to prove he was involved or committed a crime. Can I still charge him with resisting/obstructing because I had a lawful reason to detain him to try to investigate the initial crime? Thanks. I just don’t want to get jammed up."
Are you serious? Read the ILCS. Wow. "A person who knowingly resists or obstructs the performance by one known to the person to be a peace officer, firefighter, or correctional institution employee of any authorized act within his or her official capacity commits a Class A misdemeanor." Does that answer your question???
Good Luck with that in today’s environment.
Anonymous said...
"OT: just new guy here asking for advice to a possible scenario that I might find myself in. If I attempt to stop someone I believe just committed a crime or may have been involved in a crime and the person takes off running. I catch up to him and have to tackle him to take him down. I end up not being able to prove he was involved or committed a crime. Can I still charge him with resisting/obstructing because I had a lawful reason to detain him to try to investigate the initial crime? Thanks. I just don’t want to get jammed up."
Why would you chase him? Just shoot him in the back with your F.O.P. issued "drop-gun", go to the nearest donut shop, demand free coffee and share some racists/sexist jokes with other officers and then go home, kick the dog and beat the wife. That's what the fake news media thinks we all do anyways.
Radio checks on the red line stops in 001 today on the zone???? Will we be coming out of the dark ages soon and able to actually use our radios??
10/25/2018 03:27:00 PM
Nor is Johnny Marzzeti
Maybe we can have a posting thread on the calendars and a possible schedule change. This thread was hijacked by a person finding it necessary to not only chase, but tackle someone who merely runs away. The answer is let the asshole run away and who gives a fuck? He didn't do anything wrong that you know of. Chase and tackle him, then get a C.R. and a lawsuit. For what?
Whatever happened to Pat Camden? I miss the spray on tan...
My old partner would love this comments thread. He loves the police scenarios hypothetical game. This is too funny. New guy is full of crap. I can't believe others are actually responding. I'm sure he's lhao.
All you dumb asses saying we are going back to 6-2’s should just shut up.
Two goofs in 011 come into the second floor high fiving each other , then another ranger (LOL) comes into the office with an arrestee. Everyone on the floor thought these guys had a Part 1 arrest. As the arrestee is being walked past the two rangers that were celebrating the crazy foot chase and arrest. The arrestee asks the rangers why is he under arrest, (you ready for it ) reckless conduct, you ran from us. Yes the only charge was reckless conduct for running from them.
Remember you new guys reap what you so, how about stop doing proactive police work.
Next up: Back to the 6 -2 schedule......then hop skip and jump to the 28 day rotating watches.
10/25/2018 01:19:00 AM
Your work schedule is not contractual? Really happy I passed that nightmare up 20 years ago.
Hey brainiac, duty available covers shit like JVD jury decision and everyone was on mandatory OT. Not just schedule lol you kids crack me up
Keep in mind Duty Availability pay is figured into pension. City wants to get rid of duty availability pay to help decrease pension payments. City argues that pay is unjustified because POs don't have to rotate to different watches, also because of furlough by watch POs don't have to fill in for manpower shortages due to furloughs (i.e. 2nd watch with most seniority was short during summer and xmas, 1st watch was short in beginning of year).
Good Luck with that in today’s environment.
10/25/2018 07:52:00 PM
what you did is exactly what happened in Baltimore with Freddie Gray. The liberal prosecutor said the police had no right to pursue Gray or to make an arrest. If you do not actually know a crime was committed, then you chase a running suspect at your own peril.
OT: family of fallen Officer needs your support on Monday... Foxx’s office dropping reckless homicide charges on asshole that killed P.O. Rodriguez on his way to work in the 006th District four years ago. Court is at 26/Cal on Monday morning. Your support is welcomed!!!
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2018/10/25/mannie-rodriguez-death/
“What if you have a guy stopped for a terry stop and in the midst of running his name he takes off running b/c he thinks he has a warrant. You end up catching and tasing him because he won’t give up his arms (resisting). He turns out to not to have the warrant. So according to the above post he can’t resist arrest b/c he’s not under arrest? Then what would you do? Taze him and then say oh sorry, have a nice day?”
A giant gift basket of dicks is what you got there! Good luck Sir! Hopefully it slips under the bridge.
I’m actuall impressed with everyone’s knowledge of the law! But let me ask you one question, how did that work out for Van Dyke? Cause if I’m not mistaken his actions, even if you think were egregious, did fall in line with the verbiage of Grahm v. Connor and look how that worked out for him. The political system, the media, and the citizens of Cook County have spoken, you should have been listening.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"OT: just new guy here asking for advice to a possible scenario that I might find myself in. If I attempt to stop someone I believe just committed a crime or may have been involved in a crime and the person takes off running. I catch up to him and have to tackle him to take him down. I end up not being able to prove he was involved or committed a crime. Can I still charge him with resisting/obstructing because I had a lawful reason to detain him to try to investigate the initial crime? Thanks. I just don’t want to get jammed up."
I think, no wait, I know you're just an idiot if you have to ask shit like that. IDIOT.
Going back to 6-2 will be the death sentence for what’s left of morale. Cops will be miserable and burnt out. I’m hoping the department isn’t that foolish but it wouldn’t surprise me. Changing the start times makes sense but 6-2 would be very bad!
Not going back to the 6-2 schedule. My source downtown tells me that the city will first start with several test versions like they did before we all went to the 4-2 schedule. One version will involve eliminating the 3rd watch and just go with the 1st and 2nd watches (both absorbing coppers from the now defunct 3rd watch). To address the vehicle situation, each car will ride 4 deep, with each officer taking turns at doing foot patrol for 3hrs. This version will also involve changing the watch day length to 12hrs. You will still get a 30 minute un-paid lunch but you will also get 3 personals per watch. However, no personal will be allowed within the first and last 4hrs of each shift and you cannot take more than 1 personal per hour, per car.
The City will NEVER remove RESIDENCY.
One year to go. Have fun kids
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
OT: just new guy here asking for advice to a possible scenario that I might find myself in. If I attempt to stop someone I believe just committed a crime or may have been involved in a crime and the person takes off running. I catch up to him and have to tackle him to take him down. I end up not being able to prove he was involved or committed a crime. Can I still charge him with resisting/obstructing because I had a lawful reason to detain him to try to investigate the initial crime? Thanks. I just don’t want to get jammed up.
No its not against the law to run from the police. It just gives you reasonable suspicion to give chase. Look at illinois v. Wordlaw.
10/25/2018 12:32:00 PM
Ok, so let’s say I pull up to a burglary in progress. As I pull up a person matching the description takes off running. I tackle him and when I bring him back and he turns out to be just a local that thought I was going to stop him for something else and ran. He matched the description and was in front of the house and ran. I definitely have RAS, but i believe that’s also obstructing. I had a lawful reason to detain him and he obstructed the investigation. No??
10/25/2018 06:57:00 PM
You could arrest him for obstruction, or you could simply complete an ISR and TRR, and opt to not put him into custody too
Ok, so let’s say I pull up to a burglary in progress. As I pull up a person matching the description takes off running. I tackle him and when I bring him back and he turns out to be just a local that thought I was going to stop him for something else and ran. He matched the description and was in front of the house and ran. I definitely have RAS, but i believe that’s also obstructing. I had a lawful reason to detain him and he obstructed the investigation. No??
YES. You had reason to detain him. Not arrrest. He wasnt obstructing your arrest. Theres a difference. ISR. Now if during your foot pursuit he turns around and fights you then you have agg batt. You cant arrest for running away.
Bring back the 6-2 schedule. I want my three day weekends again.
Anonymous said...
Hey new guy. 2:19 is not correct. It is not legal for an individual to flee from a police officer when a police officer has legally detained detained him/her. But you"re better off not stopping someone with "just reasonable suspicion". Use an actual violation of a law or ordinance like a previous poster explained.
He didn’t say that he had legally detained him. He said if he attempts to stop him. There is a big difference. Reading comprehension! Your answer is wrong as it relates to this question.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"OT: just new guy here asking for advice to a possible scenario that I might find myself in. If I attempt to stop someone I believe just committed a crime or may have been involved in a crime and the person takes off running. I catch up to him and have to tackle him to take him down. I end up not being able to prove he was involved or committed a crime. Can I still charge him with resisting/obstructing because I had a lawful reason to detain him to try to investigate the initial crime? Thanks. I just don’t want to get jammed up."
I think, no wait, I know you're just an idiot if you have to ask shit like that. IDIOT.
You can charge yourself and throw away the key and sell off your property to give to the shithead. Good job boy scout and mind your own fuking business should you ever find yourself in that situation. When people wave at you, wave back and keep driving.
Blogger Mr. SouthSide said...
Maybe because Wednesday is Prince Spaghetti Day?
Who's cooking? ;)
push for 12 hour shifts
every other weekend off
very nice schedule
many suburbs and university police use it
it's a win , win for family life , part time jobs
I hope 6-2s are coming back. More disgruntled coppers, less production, more head-scratching at HQ...
I have a few years left of this nonsense. I just wanna watch it all burn on my way out the door!
Lol!
If I see a guy matching the description of a burglary offender running from a burglary in progress call, how do I stop him to investigate without chasing him or even getting out of my car? I'd like to arrest the criminal, but it's hard to figure out if he's actually a criminal when he's running away from me. Should I wait for him to come back to explain himself, or should I drive the other direction as some sort of reverse psychology to get him to come back? If he does come back and he's high on PCP and armed with a knife, do I assume no one is in danger as long as I stay in my car? Then I just drive away, right? He can't hurt me if I just leave, and then everyone else is automatically safe. I think that's how it works.
To OT New Guy...
Best thing to do is talk to the tactical warriors in your District. You can either ask the new all-knowing guys, or the miserable guys who have spent their entire 20 year careers on tact. Both are experts! The brand new guys think that you can charge someone with obstruction simply because a person doesn’t answer their questions on a street stop that did not have reasonable suspicion, while the old timers just pin charges on people cause “we’ve always done it that way”.
to 10/26/2018, 0809am i hear you brother what we need is 5-2 5-3 schedule five on two off or 5 on three off. or we need to go to oak park. pd ten day schedule i talked to a police officer there and they like it.
CFD sleeps , eats 3-4 meals a day , work out , run their business , cut pipe , wood for their next construction job , repair computers . All done on CFD time .
CFD should work 12 hour shifts . It's a part time job , with full pay and benefits .
"i also voted for no judges, NO for all retention's of them."
Somebody posted the above. A sad commentary. There are good and bad judges. If you don't know them, why not check with officers who DO go to court and know the judges. An informed decision would benefit us all.
Yes 2:19pm reading comprehension is a skill which you obviously don’t have.
Bring back the 10 hr day. Best schedule ever. Loved the 4 day weekends.
You guys should push for 12 hour shifts. I have every other fri sat sun off. Its great.
I hope 6-2s are coming back. More disgruntled coppers, less production, more head-scratching at HQ...
I have a few years left of this nonsense. I just wanna watch it all burn on my way out the door!
Lol!
10/26/2018 12:29:00 PM
It was already burning as I exited. My tail feathers were even a little singed. You are surrounded by the smoking, glowing embers!
Jesse Jackson talks about the ‘Final Solution’ and no one in the media brings up Hitler? What would happen if Trump said it? Media bias 101!
They are trying to take away the 10 hour days! God forbid we should have 38 more days off in a year. They are thinking that because of those extra days off, cases don't get cleared. Ummmmm, NO! Cases don't get cleared because the victims are second and third generation gang bangers who don't want to cooperate!
Why don’t you people realize that you need to take your certification through the state and fly to another department? Why waste your time at a place you don’t like? CERTIFY AND FLY.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Why don’t you people realize that you need to take your certification through the state and fly to another department? Why waste your time at a place you don’t like? CERTIFY AND FLY.
10/27/2018 02:05:00 AM
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All Chicago cops are State of IL.certified. Now post something intelligent.
Midnights did suck but the old 28 day, round the clock, cycle was the best and most fun. I wish I could tell watch party stories here, but SCC doesn't want them posted. Can't blame them on a certain level.
Most of the comments here are just plain dumb. Hypothetical chases and reasons to arrest or not?
Ever hear of Fetal?
So will a 6&2 schedule revert back to a 8.5 work hour day?? I can stop giving up comp time on my BFD, and will get my full 25 Vacation days!!???
10/27/2018 02:05:00 AM
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All Chicago cops are State of IL.certified. Now post something intelligent.
That’s the point.....He’s saying take your police certification and go work somewhere else...
10/25/2018 03:38:00 AM Ask your FTO or call the FOP
I agree with taking your credentials and go to the burbs. But please dont stop there. Go to school while in the burbs and leave law enforcement. It's an awful career.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
10/27/2018 02:05:00 AM
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All Chicago cops are State of IL.certified. Now post something intelligent.
That’s the point.....He’s saying take your police certification and go work somewhere else...
10/28/2018 03:46:00 AM
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Mea culpa and apologies.
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