Wednesday, October 03, 2018

Uneven Testimony

Much has been debated here in the comment sections about whether or not Van Dyke should take the stand. From what we could tell (comments being anonymous) older cops argued against it, younger leaning toward it.

In a perfect world, we would have chosen for him not to testify. Juries are instructed that they cannot use a defendant's choice not to take the stand against them, but everyone who has spent any time in court knows that juries have a mind of their own and seldom act as perfectly as they're instructed.

But that decision wasn't ours. And it wasn't anyone else's who comments here.

We don't think it was enough to swing a jury one way or the other actually. There were what some in the media are calling "inconsistencies." There are things that needed and were clarified to some extent. Combined with the 3-D defense presentation, one might see where a dynamic, evolving situation could be seen differently from other vantage points. That's a plus for the defense.

But...Cook County. Who knows?

Jury instructions by Friday? Looks like Gaughn managed to put off deliberations until after the Marathon.

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79 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just remember if jurors were smart they would have gotten out of jury duty.

10/03/2018 12:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

JUDGE testimony was uneven. But that is what you get when one is under that pressure.

It doesn't matter how many times you took the stand as a witness. You biggest concern is making sure your OT slip is signed.

But when you are on the hot seat, different ballgame.

Don't want to be too polished because that could be seen as arrogance. I am sure his life has been he'll every day since then.

I think he came off OK. Made some points but showed some human emotions.

I don't think one can see malicious intent in his actions.

10/03/2018 12:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think it was a good thing for him to take the stand. It’s not a “who done it” case and I think it let the jury see the human side of JVD. It also let the jury see that he had nothing to hide and generally felt bad about it. He’s not the greatest speaker but I don’t think it hurt him. Closings will probably be Tuesday after the big busy weekend.

10/03/2018 12:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Closing arguments are this Thursday, not next week.

10/03/2018 02:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does that mean we don’t have our days off this weekend canceled then?

10/03/2018 02:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I figured when he took the stand, he was going to be a rock star, and very persuasive. He had to be, no?

Apparently not.
When his own defense questioned him, he never even once said that he was afraid of getting stabbed or dying.
It was way too technical. “He raised the knife like this”. But how did you FEEL at that time? You wanted him to stay on the ground because he would be easier to place into custody? How about when he started to get up you were afraid he was going to attack you again?

And on the cross by the ASA he seemed super agitated and hostile.
The state is painting you as a reckless hothead, and you might have thought it wa cute sparring with the ASA and fighting over semantics, but it didn’t look very sympathetic to most non-police. I laughed at it, but then again my life isn’t swinging in the balance.

I was expecting him to bring a serious A-game if he decided to hit the stand, and it was possibly a C+/B- showing.

Not sure if call that a win, but I guess you have to try to help yourself out.

10/03/2018 02:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a question from the prosecution during the recross: “And you could have ended it all the minute he hit the ground, correct?” she said.

Isn’t that admitting the first shots were justified???

10/03/2018 03:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought JVD did a good job and seemed sincere and credible...………..but that's just me...…..

10/03/2018 04:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rumor around the district is 12 hours starting tonight. Told from a lt. Any one hear anything about this?

10/03/2018 05:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thought for the mountain of pressure he is under he did pretty well. Ballsy move, but looked human which is good.

10/03/2018 05:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A jury of ones piers?
Is there even “one” police officer on the jury?

10/03/2018 05:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The term, jury of one's peers does not hold much weight. Until you have dealt with someone who is high on pcp you can not judge. It is not a situation one can imagine.
It is not a situation that can be explained. The only rule that applies here is, you can't make this shit up.

10/03/2018 05:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why not a bench trial? This was a big mistake .

10/03/2018 05:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Odds are verdict Friday by 5 P.M. bets?

10/03/2018 06:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10/03/2018 12:19:00 AM

Or just doing their civic duty. God forbid if it was your family member up there and there was a shit jury

10/03/2018 07:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can't see how outcome can be anything other than hung jury.

10/03/2018 07:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Old retired guy Should not have taken the stand let the experts (and they did) say he was in fear and was justified. The BS about shooting the knife was very bad. We ll see Good luck JVD you may have messed up a little but you don't deserve to got to prison. A lesson to all the working Police. Don't throw your life away over a worthless POS.

10/03/2018 08:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I heard the lead prosecutor tell Van Dyke tell he should have hit MacDonald with his car! Get that transcript. Make copies. Keep it in your file at home.

10/03/2018 08:21:00 AM  
Blogger Mr. SouthSide said...

I like shiny new dimes.

10/03/2018 08:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

JVD seemed completely unrehearsed and unprepared to testify, considering all of his support. The initial defense questioning humanized him and showed he was not the hotheaded and angry cop who unemotionally engages in cold blooded murder. At times, he was on the verge of tears. He seemed surprised at the prosecution cross examination, although the questioning was totally predictable. He failed to maintain the mature confidence the public expects from police officers.

10/03/2018 09:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a question from the prosecution during the recross: “And you could have ended it all the minute he hit the ground, correct?” she said.

Isn’t that admitting the first shots were justified???

Interesting point

10/03/2018 09:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wrestled with that myself.... whether he should take the stand or not.
From what I’ve heard he did ok.... made some good points and maybe some low points.
Hopefully he humanized himself and planted plenty of doubt in the juries minds about the prosecutions politically motivated charges.

10/03/2018 09:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Watched his complete testimony yesterday,and wondered if he was medicated as he justifiably should of been considering the unbelievable stress him and his family is under! He don't forget is fighting for his freedom,and he did the best he could,he answered every question but the judge seemed more in favor of the prosecution than the defense. As far as the verdict that is a wild card scenario,hoping and praying he walks that would be "justice" as he followed the law. the only thing that the jury will wonder is why 16 shots, but they as we were not their,and obviously Jason realized that the offender armed with a knife,high on drugs could of gotten up and killed him or someone else!

The jury and everyone else, the dishonest fake chiraq media have never been to a call with a crazed crack head, who no matter how many times you hit them, or shoot them they keep coming to try and kill you until they finally fall. When they are crazed the response to being shot is not felt,the body keeps going until a major artery is finally struck, just like taking a wild animal down it takes a lot!

If the worst case happens that causes the savages to riot and attack, do you really think the people that pay the taxes,obey the laws are going to be intimidated and let them ruin their neighborhoods,or kill and attack their families? That is doubtful people have been pushed way to far by the democratic anti-law and order,and anti-honest citizen agenda. Not hard to see how Rahm,many of the 50,Toni,Tommy,and of course Kimmy have pushed the people to the breaking point,by pandering to the criminal elements,by giving billions from Chicago and crook county residents to the criminals,the illegal invaders and nothing for the taxpayers! We need a revolt, a revolution many say right here right now, Rahm decided not to run,and gary is scared to reveal when rahm saw that video!

We will protect the home fronts, we will protect blue, hoping and praying nothing happens but with the media,and fake revs begging for war is may happen and the bloodbath will be on the hands of the democrats who have caused all of this!

GOD BLESS THE POLICE!!

10/03/2018 09:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Uneven is a kind description. I don't think he will be convicted of 1st degree, but both sides were pathetic in terms of lawyering, IMHO. Over three years to get ready, and THAT WAS IT? No questions on fear for his own safety, fear for others, etc. What was he thinking? Why did he do it? Instead, defense lawyer asks JVD how many times he THINKS he shot his gun and JVD says 2 or 3. WTF is that! How does that help? Nothing about the statements in the car? And the Kane County prosecutor who did the cross? Pathetic. Biggest cross of her career and she doesn't break down the video frame by frame with JVD. Idiotic.

10/03/2018 09:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did a cook county sheriff testify for the "prostitution"!!!!

10/03/2018 10:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We have replays in professional sports. They show a play in question from many different camera angles. Many times the correct call is seen on the second or third camera angle. This should be impressed on the jury as each officer doesn’t see the same thing from their vantage point.

10/03/2018 10:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Prayers for JVD, for CPD, and for the city.

10/03/2018 10:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
This is a question from the prosecution during the recross: “And you could have ended it all the minute he hit the ground, correct?” she said.

Isn’t that admitting the first shots were justified???

Not sure what the prosecution wants. Their only rebuttal witness this morning was the Cook county sheriff police who testified he saw a large area of blood coming from McDonalds body. He also testified no officers tried to do do CPR. Appears procecution wants to show McDonald was alive after the shooting and was specific about no attempt CPR that could have caused him to bleed

10/03/2018 10:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wishing the best for him in this situation but he looked shaky.

I've seen cases for an agg batt to PO with serious injury where the offender played the mental game. Everyone assumed it was a solid case. Jury trial. He walked. This is not a good time for the police.

10/03/2018 10:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They are going into deliberation Thur.... does anyone really think this asshole judge gives a fuck about the marathon???

10/03/2018 11:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We knew it was coming. Here it is.


All - effective 2nd watch on Thursday, 04 October, the Department will implement the Post Trial Operations Plan. Therefore, all personnel (unless otherwise specified in the order) will work 12 hour days, and all days off are cancelled. This plan will remain in effect until further notice.



At this time Unit 630:

2nd watch on-duty 1000-2230 hrs in Area
2nd watch off-duty deployed 0700-1930
3rd watch on-duty & off-duty deployed 1900-0730
1st watch on-duty & off duty 2200-1030 in Area

10/03/2018 11:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I think it was a good thing for him to take the stand. It’s not a “who done it” case and I think it let the jury see the human side of JVD. It also let the jury see that he had nothing to hide and generally felt bad about it. He’s not the greatest speaker but I don’t think it hurt him. Closings will probably be Tuesday after the big busy weekend.

10/03/2018 12:43:00 AM

JVD should have just taken the stand and after the first question "fall out" like most do into a semi-state of consciousness, mumbling incoherently "father fleger stop, please stop...

10/03/2018 11:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

By political design.
Deny, delay, obstruct, oppose, resist.
Tell me that’s not Corrupt Cook County jury tampering.

10/03/2018 12:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The defense should subpoena every exempt member that originally signed off on the shooting as justified.

Ask them the usual about how long they have been employed with cpd?
Would they categorize their knowledge of police policy and procedures as being above that of the average p.o. or at least on par?
Would they say that they were a reasonable person?

(the answer to the last 2 should of course be yes)
Then ask:

When you rule a shooting justified are you basing that on the cpd approved use of force policy and the compliance with city and state laws?
(should be another yes)

And after your initial investigation you ruled this shooting to be justified in that it was within cpd policies and state laws?
(yet another yes)

Do you show up to a scene and make your decision immediately, as in 5 seconds or so?
(no)

Why not?
(something along the lines of doing a thorough investigation and speaking with witnesses and officers as well as the ruling may take a week or two to be made)

So you , as a reasonable person with average to above average knowledge of police policy and procedures with x amount of years with the cpd AND having the luxury of time to watch the videos, speak with officers and witnesses, view any evidence and contemplate the situation over and over again originally came to the conclusion that this was a justified shooting correct?
The answer is again, yes...

Follow up with:
For whatever reason, you later disagreed with your own original findings but again, having the luxury of even more time. But isn't it then REASONABLE to believe that an officer who is involved in that life threatening incident as it unfolds, under extreme duress, and having to process the situation in a matter of seconds would also come to the same conclusion that you originally made and think himself justified in firing his weapon?

10/03/2018 12:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wheel gunner here
agree with the young coppers , you have to let jury know
I wanted to go home to my family , i was scared , in fear of being gutted , possbly shot with a knife that can shoot a 22 round
any CCW that was approached by that LQ under influence of drugs , no reason to live , abandoned by his now millionaire family

10/03/2018 01:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

maybe a not guilty or hung jury
pray for JVD

10/03/2018 01:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Retired 8.5 years said...

It looked like JVD was not prepped for the P questions or even the D questions.
He sounded like he never heard or expected any the questions.
No one asked JVD if he was AFRAID for his life or great bodily harm.
It was sort of implied, but never said.

Dan Herbert seemed unprepared from the first day.
I would not hire Herbert to contest a parking ticket.

Randy Ruckert knows his stuff.
If I ever get in IROCC trouble he's my first choice.

On the other hand, those big shots the county hired were incompetent fools.

I foresee a hung jury . . . and lots of OT for you all. STAY SAFE!


10/03/2018 02:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

12 hr days start tomorrow

10/03/2018 02:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope the city plans to leave our neighborhoods protected or I could see a lot of people hitting the medical. Family first!

10/03/2018 02:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Order is out. 12 hour days, days off cancelled. Effective with 2nd watch Thursday 06 Oct. Be safe.

10/03/2018 02:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As much as I'm not impressed with JVD's testimony, the prosecution wasn't stellar in grilling him...

The burden of proof is on the prosecution, the Defense could have just rested its case without JDV taking the stand...




We Are All Replaceable

10/03/2018 02:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

After reading threats published on social media made by the community against white neighborhoods, if a mutt was killed in one of these neighborhoods, would a person be able to use the self defense statute to walk.

10/03/2018 02:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why is this Sheriff's Officer ratting out Van Dyke? Stay away shun them if they respond to your calls from now on we don't need their help.

Prosecutors called one rebuttal witness who testified briefly and read into the record what Van Dyke told Chicago police Detective David March shortly after the shooting returning to the stand was Adam Murphy, a Cook County sheriff's officer who previously said on Sept. 18 that he responded to 41st Street and Pulaski Road shortly after McDonald was shot there 16 times on Oct. 20, 2014. Murphy previously said McDonald was "gasping for air and gurgling." Murphy said he put on blue plastic gloves to render aid, but soon heard an ambulance in the distance. On Wednesday, Murphy testified that McDonald was in a large pool of blood and still bleeding. A forensic expert for the state previously testified that McDonald bled profusely and each of his 16 gunshot wounds "accelerated" his death. Defense experts said only one gunshot wound to McDonald's chest was "rapidly fatal" and would've killed McDonald quickly. Murphy testified that no Chicago police officers on the scene rendered aid.

10/03/2018 02:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does that mean we don’t have our days off this weekend canceled then?

10/03/2018 02:58:00 AM

Only if closing arguments are not this Thursday, but next week.

10/03/2018 03:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are they going to let us work while on furlo?

10/03/2018 04:28:00 PM  
Blogger SCC said...

Sorry we flew off the handle. Been a long week and it just got longer.

10/03/2018 04:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Did a cook county sheriff testify for the "prostitution"!!!!
10/03/2018 10:16:00 AM

Adam Murphy

10/03/2018 04:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Why not a bench trial? This was a big mistake .
10/03/2018 05:49:00 AM

Really with Flores in bed with the judge who should have recused motion for mistrial!

10/03/2018 04:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Their going to convict to save the city and he will win on appeal a few years later bank on it.

10/03/2018 04:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why is this Sheriff's Officer ratting out Van Dyke? Stay away shun them if they respond to your calls from now on we don't need their help. "

--dude, grow up. He just testified to what he saw when he arrived on scene, and by the way thanks for posting a comment like that which just feeds into the whole police conspiracy we all stick together no matter what. You are aware the media trolls the comment section right?

10/03/2018 05:04:00 PM  
Blogger Eric said...

Concerned citizen here. Say I'm asking for a friend. If it pops off, what's the stance on using and all weapons to defend? Specifically, anyone going to give a care I have an ar?

10/03/2018 05:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

https://twitter.com/HICLLA/status/1047580647269834755?s=19

10/03/2018 05:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did a cook county sheriff testify for the "prostitution"!!!!

LMAO!

Why didn't the "prostitution" publish his report & admit it into evidence? Oh! He N.E.V.E.R. wrote a report!...

10/03/2018 05:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

JVD killed Laquan because he thought Laquan was going to kill JVD or someone else. He did his job, he stopped a threat and until you have feared for your life or your partner do not judge JVD. Laquan got a bad break in life and he made some bad choices and that's sad. But JVD is not a killer. The real criminals are those running this diseased city. ♠️

10/03/2018 05:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm predicting a hung jury, and the whole process will start anew.

10/03/2018 06:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In theory, a defendant is not required to take the stand. That's the theory.

But can you name even one case where a defendant walked after not taking the stand?

Even one?

10/03/2018 06:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why didn’t Herbert play the video from 015 of the P.O.’S interaction with a guy on PCP?

10/03/2018 06:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Herbert has to grill into the jury’s heads tomorrow that this video has been seen for over 3 years, slowed down and dissected. Van Dyke had 6 seconds in live time to make his decision and that decision was based on fear of great bodily harm on himself and others. That hasn’t been stressed yet.

10/03/2018 07:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please be careful everyone

10/03/2018 07:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good luck JVD.

10/03/2018 08:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Non LEO here - I watched JVD live yesterday - I think he came off as believable & sorry for what he HAD (key word there) to do.
I think he handled the reloading issue well and seemed very frank when he spoke of shooting at the knife when LMD was on the ground.
The whole "bugged out eyes that stared right thru me" (paraphrased) sold it in my opinion.
I wish him the very best.

10/03/2018 08:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The plannng of this deployment is horrible.

10/03/2018 08:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I heard the lead prosecutor tell Van Dyke tell he should have hit MacDonald with his car! Get that transcript. Make copies. Keep it in your file at home.
10/03/2018 08:21:00 AM

Intentionally hitting someone with a motor vehicle is considered deadly force under the law. So the prosecutor is saying that deadly force was warranted?

10/03/2018 08:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm speechless, about people wanting chest compressions, on someone who is bleeding to death. DOH!

10/03/2018 09:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

After reading threats published on social media made by the community against white neighborhoods, if a mutt was killed in one of these neighborhoods, would a person be able to use the self defense statute to walk.
10/03/2018 02:48:00 PM

Out them and there threats. Under the constitution you have the right to protect yourself in your property

10/03/2018 10:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Old guy here. The Prosecution made a mistake in choosing an ASA who looked like Lisa Madigan to question Van Dyke. It may sound trite but she just wasn’t ‘likable’. The late Vincent Bugliosi wrote that as a young prosecutor he was spot on in presenting his cases. But after losing one, a jury member approached him in a restaurant some weeks later and complimented him on his work. When Bugliosi asked the former juror why the jury didn’t vote to convict, the juror told him that they just didn’t like him. Also, a prosecutor asked one of the defense witnesses if he had tried performing chest compressions after McDonald was shot, lying on the ground. The officer said no. Some one should have reminded the prosecutor that McDonald was not having a cardiac incident. He had been shot several times. Chest compression would cause McDonald to bleed out quicker, not stabilize his heartbeat. Victims of several bleeding wounds are placed in a compression suit to restrict blood loss.

10/03/2018 10:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

V. Gaughn is no fool. If he put this off until after the marathon, he knows the jury might believe even the judge is not only worried about riots, but made a deal with the city. If put that doubt in the juries head, might influence their verdict.

10/03/2018 10:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why is this Sheriff's Officer ratting out Van Dyke? Stay away shun them if they respond to your calls from now on we don't need their help.

Prosecutors called one rebuttal witness who testified briefly and read into the record what Van Dyke told Chicago police Detective David March shortly after the shooting returning to the stand was Adam Murphy, a Cook County sheriff's officer who previously said on Sept. 18 that he responded to 41st Street and Pulaski Road shortly after McDonald was shot there 16 times on Oct. 20, 2014. Murphy previously said McDonald was "gasping for air and gurgling." Murphy said he put on blue plastic gloves to render aid, but soon heard an ambulance in the distance. On Wednesday, Murphy testified that McDonald was in a large pool of blood and still bleeding. A forensic expert for the state previously testified that McDonald bled profusely and each of his 16 gunshot wounds "accelerated" his death. Defense experts said only one gunshot wound to McDonald's chest was "rapidly fatal" and would've killed McDonald quickly. Murphy testified that no Chicago police officers on the scene rendered aid.
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What are you talking about? So you want him to lie and perjure himself under oath, when everything he said can be verified through BWC or dash cam? Hope SPD that reads your statement will still help you if god forbid you need it.

10/03/2018 10:53:00 PM  
Blogger Chris Perrien said...

Could anyone answer why no immediate aid was provided? I can understand a traumatic occurence for all people there and a lack of concern for some doped out suspect. Often I see police just put on a rubber glove, check pulse, direct pressure on occasion. Can't really do CPR on a multi-gunshot bleeding person, but still. Then there is the "silliness" IMO of handcuffs being put on obviously , dead, unconscious , severely incapacitated suspects. But in this case nothing was done by the police on site . Really bad optics there, and made things worse for JVD , IMO, since it indirectly displayed a lack of concern for Mr. McDonald's life by the police present including Officer Van Dyke. Sure nothing could have saved him , but thata lack of aid was just another black mark against CPD in the eyes of the "public", in addition to the shooting itself.

Not an officer myself , just a veteran who has an "interest" in the war-zone called Chicago (far more dangerous than any US battlefield anywhere today, and a big fan of this great Blog, one of the best on the net, overall. And I'd rather see Chicago through here than going there myself. lol Did a big college research paper on the Rodney King riots , shortly after they occurred , it is of concern if something like that will happen there. Won't be as big as LA if any unrest does happen, though i guess i don't know.

10/04/2018 07:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Why is this Sheriff's Officer ratting out Van Dyke? Stay away shun them if they respond to your calls from now on we don't need their help.

Prosecutors called one rebuttal witness who testified briefly and read into the record what Van Dyke told Chicago police Detective David March shortly after the shooting returning to the stand was Adam Murphy, a Cook County sheriff's officer who previously said on Sept. 18 that he responded to 41st Street and Pulaski Road shortly after McDonald was shot there 16 times on Oct. 20, 2014. Murphy previously said McDonald was "gasping for air and gurgling." Murphy said he put on blue plastic gloves to render aid, but soon heard an ambulance in the distance. On Wednesday, Murphy testified that McDonald was in a large pool of blood and still bleeding. A forensic expert for the state previously testified that McDonald bled profusely and each of his 16 gunshot wounds "accelerated" his death. Defense experts said only one gunshot wound to McDonald's chest was "rapidly fatal" and would've killed McDonald quickly. Murphy testified that no Chicago police officers on the scene rendered aid.
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What are you talking about? So you want him to lie and perjure himself under oath, when everything he said can be verified through BWC or dash cam? Hope SPD that reads your statement will still help you if god forbid you need it.
10/03/2018 10:53:00 PM

Why is this idiot even involved in this case? He then goes out of his way to try to contradict Van Dyke with irrelevant BS.

What's not being reported is Murphy and his partner didn't document the incident. They then fabricated a story Murphy "comforted" the dying Laquan to cover his own ass. Now apparently he's the star rebuttal witness for the prosecution. What a POS!

10/04/2018 07:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
After reading threats published on social media made by the community against white neighborhoods, if a mutt was killed in one of these neighborhoods, would a person be able to use the self defense statute to walk.
10/03/2018 02:48:00 PM

Out them and there threats. Under the constitution you have the right to protect yourself in your property
10/03/2018 10:03:00 PM

Which neighborhoods report the threats to the Police!

10/04/2018 07:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Why didn’t Herbert play the video from 015 of the P.O.’S interaction with a guy on PCP?
10/03/2018 06:43:00 PM

Whatever happened to her she get disability?

10/04/2018 07:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But can you name even one case where a defendant walked after not taking the stand?

Even one?
10/03/2018 06:26:00 PM

Yeah, O.J. Simpson! Please tell me you are not a cop

10/04/2018 12:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

This is a question from the prosecution during the recross: “And you could have ended it all the minute he hit the ground, correct?” she said.

Isn’t that admitting the first shots were justified???

Interesting point

10/03/2018 09:19:00 AM

The MINUTE he hit the ground.....when the whole damn thing took 6 seconds?

Minute.
Seconds.

That coming from the prosecution was a profound mistake.

10/04/2018 01:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In theory, a defendant is not required to take the stand. That's the theory.

But can you name even one case where a defendant walked after not taking the stand?

Even one?

10/03/2018 06:26:00 PM

It seems like you don't know what a theory is. Also, defendants walk ALL THE TIME without ever taking the stand. It's actually pretty rare for a defendant to take the stand, and it's not exactly rare for them to be found not guilty, especially in cook county. You sound like someone who has never been in a courtroom, made up your own ideas based on nothing, and pretended those ideas proved some point you thought you were making. Quit while you're behind.

10/04/2018 05:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Retired 8.5 years said...

It looked like JVD was not prepped for the P questions or even the D questions.
He sounded like he never heard or expected any the questions.
No one asked JVD if he was AFRAID for his life or great bodily harm.
It was sort of implied, but never said.

Dan Herbert seemed unprepared from the first day.
I would not hire Herbert to contest a parking ticket.

Randy Ruckert knows his stuff.
If I ever get in IROCC trouble he's my first choice.

On the other hand, those big shots the county hired were incompetent fools.

I foresee a hung jury . . . and lots of OT for you all. STAY SAFE!



10/03/2018 02:03:00 PM

You are correct in saying that JVD appeared not to have been prepared. Then you rip on Herbert. But it was Ruckert that did questioning of JVD. Not Herbert. Chicago Tonight legal expert just criticized the JVD exam as lacking. I am not impressed with any of the defense or the prosecution lawyers, but get your facts straight dude. Clearly you did not watch the trial.

10/04/2018 07:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I heard the lead prosecutor tell Van Dyke tell he should have hit MacDonald with his car! Get that transcript. Make copies. Keep it in your file at home.
10/03/2018 08:21:00 AM


And what are you going to do with it? Do you really believe that a comment in a closing argument means anything. Go ahead hit some one with a squad and tell the board you heard a prosecutor say it and that justification. His statement means nothing to your case and has no relevance and probably wouldn’t be allowed in
Lucky you weren’t the police when mayor Daley said shoot to kill. Everyone just laughed. Just shoot someone and tell the judge. The mayor told me to do it

10/04/2018 08:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Why didn’t Herbert play the video from 015 of the P.O.’S interaction with a guy on PCP?

10/03/2018 06:43:00 P

Might have tried to get it in, but wasnt allowed in. Guess they wouldn’t let any exempts testify

10/04/2018 08:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Laquan McDonald article from the LA Times 26 Arrests and 3 Psychiatric Hospitalizations

He had three psychiatric hospitalizations by 13, the records showed. McDonald had frequent run-ins with police.
He was 13 during his first arrest on allegations of cocaine possession. In all, McDonald was arrested 26 times in a little more than three-year period — from April 2011 to July 2014

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-chicago-laquan-mcdonald-20180916-story.html

10/05/2018 11:50:00 AM  

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