COPA "Not Qualified"
- The union representing Chicago police officers says the Civilian Office of Police Accountability (COPA) is violating state law by investigating fatal officer-involved shootings, according to a lawsuit filed Friday in Cook County Circuit Court.
The officer union — Fraternal Order of Police Lodge no. 7 — is seeking an injunction against the city to ensure that COPA investigators are state-qualified law enforcement officers, which the lawsuit claims they are not.
COPA is designated to lead investigations into fatal encounters with Chicago police.
The lawsuit alleges that COPA’s lead investigators in those encounters are not trained “law enforcement officers,” in violation of the Illinois Police and Community Relations Improvement Act.
COPA also has an anti-police agenda when they should be looking for facts and truth. Everything, every single action, is interpreted to put the police in the worst possible light and satisfy a political end. That was evident in its creation and the complete disregard for existing law that is always so prevalent in Chicago politics.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
93 Comments:
As a citizen, I have always wondered what the heck these people were doing judging you? What the heck do they know about your jobs? It would be like a panel of aging hairdressers judging medical professionals. Or gardeners judging a group of attorneys. They know nothing about the work, other than what they have heard or read about. Nor have they ever walked in your shoes. Who thought this up anyway? Does anyone in gov't authority in that sleevy wretched city have one brain cell? Utter nonsense that lay people think they have the right to sit and look down on you. It's sickening.
Too bad it isn't for all force related investigations....
Thank God for #7, without them it would be like
handing Willie Sutton the keys to the bank.
Yeah, I sure would like my brain surgeon to be
state-certified. Nothing like a gang of well
connected scum bags putting the judgement on
CPD.
Hello Mr. Smoke, meet Ms. Mirror.
The city will certify COPA investigators as law enforcement officers. Problem solved (for them), case dismissed as moot. Much like merit appointments - its simply an easy way around the requirements.
OT, but very worthy
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in one photo).
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How about a contract first then worry about copa who don’t mean shit anyways. They advise and have no real power. They are the same as the 800 number service to tell you who to bet on when Sunday comes. They both suck and are always wrong.
Always late.. just like with the consent decree..
Speaking of not qualified, how does CB land in 020 as a new Lt??? This guy hasn't spent a day in the hood. Would shit his pants if he did. Unless you consider his merit DICK promotion out of 012 after doing nothing there. Oh yeah, business liasson Sgt in 001 while simultaneously letting Nagode put his balls on his fat chin. This dude is another emblematic problem of what is wrong with CPD. But he can lead the hard charging donkeys of 020. Another fine selection Elf.
No one in Chicago is qualified for anything. If you are still living there you are only qualified to be dumb nothing more.
The jeans teams don’t care we have no contract hell they will work for free. No pay no problem as long as my neighbors see me in my jeans with my gun showing I’m all set lol.
Not qualified is the Chicago Way. Move on nothing to see here.
Wanna talk about not qualified, just look at tour Mayoral choices. These two are not qualified to be shift supervisor an a local McDonald's.
There was never going to be a new contract from the current mayor. The consent decree was coming thanks to the help of the past president . He is the guy who along with his entire crew voted not to intervene . The fact of the matter is that you have one faction that wins and the other that does not . It’s not about helping the members for some it’s about filling their own pockets . The knives are being sharpened for the next election and members who have not attended a meeting in two years are now showing up . Jason was moved because of comments made by his attorney about handshake agreements downstate .
If COPA becomes state certified law enforcement officers, is someone going to say now we have a conflict of interest? Law enforcement is investigating law enforcement? And if that's the case, well we have some of the finest detectives on CPD that are more than qualified and experienced to handle a police shooting. Let's just go back to that.
Unless you’re Farrakhan’s guy. Then COPA treats you with kid gloves
But in spite of this the hair gels will still get into car chases, foot chases and write their ISRs and parkers/movers to not lose their 2 p.m. start time, lol.
Who woke the FOP up?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hello Mr. Smoke, meet Ms. Mirror.
The city will certify COPA investigators as law enforcement officers. Problem solved (for them), case dismissed as moot. Much like merit appointments - its simply an easy way around the requirements.
3/17/2019 12:31:00 AM
For that to happen, they will all have to go through the academy.
I told Sherlock to stay off the opioids.
You realize how embarrassing it is to take your kid
to a Doc in the Box for constipation and ask for an
excuse for school that won't draw attention and merit
a drug test?
Did "Chicago PD" ever have a COPA episode?
Let's pitch in and send COPA a 12-month sub. to
Kiwi Krate. That ought to send them a message
and keep them busy at the same time.
Maybe there's a use for Lemmer after all.
Sick Mr. Moneyball on COPA and make them
crash and burn. Where's your stats, where's
your proof? Where's your badge?
Come on now...they get two days of training at the academy. That is more than enough to be qualified.
I heard a rumor that the fire department internal affairs people are running info on leads. How is that happening? They are clearly not part of the 3 C’s that can access leads info.
Another reason why protecting our right's with an updated and fair contract should be priority number one! FOP, please hire professional negotiators that will get it done now!!!
If they get a law enforcement qualification from the city does that mean that they have to pass the state mandated power test?
Hmmm?
CB the new Lt. Going to 20, from being a Sgt in 001, and before that was in TRU is a ball less coward. He shits his pants in the thought of engaging a bad guy. A grown man who is supposed to lead. He would drive around on Bears game at Soldier field always botching should the guys working security many off duty and retired guys who WERE the real police. 20 is the perfect place for him with the rest of the crybabies.
FOP lost this once already. And the law allows COPA. So it’s going nowhere. Move on to something else.
The Union is going to lose that lawsuit.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Speaking of not qualified, how does CB land in 020 as a new Lt??? This guy hasn't spent a day in the hood. Would shit his pants if he did. Unless you consider his merit DICK promotion out of 012 after doing nothing there. Oh yeah, business liasson Sgt in 001 while simultaneously letting Nagode put his balls on his fat chin. This dude is another emblematic problem of what is wrong with CPD. But he can lead the hard charging donkeys of 020. Another fine selection Elf.
3/17/2019 03:30:00 AM
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it's 020
FOP leadership once again you are late to the dance. We acknowledge "proof of life" - you actually did something. Your record in support of the rank and file is paper thin. Don't stop now. The more you flex your muscle the more strength you gain. You should be a thorn in the side of city management at every turn regarding city policing. Right now you've been told to shut up and go sit in the corner.
If you intend to continue to flex your muscles, why not commit to backing a candidate for Mayor.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The jeans teams don’t care we have no contract hell they will work for free. No pay no problem as long as my neighbors see me in my jeans with my gun showing I’m all set lol.
3/17/2019 04:17
You’re such a douche. If u don’t want to do your job fine, but why criticize those that still do the job. We all have families living here who need us doing the job we’re paid to do.
Yea like FOP should talk?
city cannot certify them. The state is the only one who can certify a local, county, and state LE. Mandated requirements like recruits.
As long as we get retro, I could give a fuck less about another contract. It’s like a forced savings account.
Since force should be judged through the perspective of a reasonable officer and without using hindsight, but only the facts and actions known to the officer at the time of occurrence, it seems COPA would be unable to meet that perspective. And a lot of their conclusions are based on hindsight.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hello Mr. Smoke, meet Ms. Mirror.
The city will certify COPA investigators as law enforcement officers. Problem solved (for them), case dismissed as moot. Much like merit appointments - its simply an easy way around the requirements.
3/17/2019 12:31:00 AM
To be certified, the first have to complete the entire state mandated training (400+ hours). They also have to pass the state qualification test to Get certified. Then, they have to complete any investigative training which builds on as in on top of that.
FOP is a joke. They had numerous chances to file suit against IPRA and refused to do so. They are a joke. All they do is backstab one another.
I bet not one of the COPA ever completed a ride along, or participated on a mock attempted take down, to see why it often takes 5 people to restrain one feral.
I bet they've never experienced repeated, or even a single trauma inducing adrenaline jacking incident with a feral, other than swerving whilst driving to avoid an accident.
I'll bet they've never witnessed one slow motion shooting replay where the feral turned so quickly the bullets ended up it the feral's back or side. Thus appearing as if the feral was running away and was never any threat to officers.
I'll also bet they've never been the victim of a con or just funnin beat down, grab fest or boo scare the whitey tactic.
I'll bet no COPA's ever had adrenaline toss them into reactive, nonstop autopilot.
I'll also bet they've never had to stand alone and face the music at least once every hour or deal with a puffed up moronic boss who puts their lives in danger or even had to clean up the abundance of other's puke, blood, body parts off their clothes, held someone as they were dying, notified a deceased's family member or tried to get the death stench out of their noses.
No, COPA are total addle brained police haters, who've most likely have someone in jail for doing "nuffin" or been "picked on" during a traffic stop with a car full of stolen, and/or illegal heaven knows what, after just beating up an elderly person but lying through their ass, whilst their hands are covered in blood.
Police are humans (imagine that statement!) who after witnessing very few horrible situations, develope a fine tuned bullshit barometer and sense of "that feral's up to something." The "bad police" are very few, just like a bad coworker.
COPA's well hidden, now frightfully clear, anti police, race driven agenda politics, is alive in Chiraq aka Detroit on steroids, Shittago. Until the sheeples wake up and a)ensure their voting machines aren't rigged and b) open their eyes, it will continue.
Stay fetal, answer calls, and love your families and God.
Thank you SCC for shedding light and giving a voice to those who must daily "man up" and shut up, just tryimg to do the honorabkevthing and keep everyone safe.
Moot effort but an effort nonetheless.
Its like an election year stunt which is a year away.
Letting social justice activists decide the police related criminal investigations is worse then a letting the clerk who answers the phone at the HMO decide if you can get your ruptured appendix removed a months later.
Even the Post Office has a rule, heck it’s a Law (18 U.S. Code § 1725] about who can put a letter in a mailbox.
The COPA is the equivalent of the flyer boy going door to door distributing obnoxious menus or gutter cleaning ads that offer nothing but more useless throwaway clutter. The point being you have to be USPS trained to put a (stamped) letter/item in the mailbox.
Does Amtrak let the conductor decide derailment or engineer mishaps?
Does a judge let a law clerk sit on the bench in their stead? Oh wait, Cook Co already did that.
Rahm and the Right Man for the Right Time™️ landmark Consent Decree (co-sponsored by FOP endorsed Mousey Madigroin) will once again be the overriding factor in this lawsuit - because it’s about community trust.
Plus Alderthieving caucuses are pro-COPA/anti-Police as are both mayoral progressive candidates and neither will abolish or diminish the duties of el’COPA.
Apparently the Crooked Cook Co Courts threw out the last suit about the COPA overreaching granted by RottenRahm.
And likely they’ll toss it again.
Policing as we knew it is gone and hopefully the last of the hard charging are finally getting it through the foil lined backwards baseball caps of their numbed skulls.
Change won’t come or will there ever be an inch given to FOP or CPD.
That ship sailed decades ago.
The best we can do is vote against Prickwrinkle’s protégée KmmmFxxxUp who is up for re-election in 2020 and wait to avenge wicked WitchWrinkle in 2021. Cleansing of The Machine from inside the County is only a start, but not an end all.
We have over 3 years of Prickwrinkles & Kwamie to deal with and another 4 yrs of either frog eyes or frog legs.
Doesn’t look good for the future of restoring law and order here.
Don’t stay home and let wicked Prickwrinkle slither (take me in tender woman, take me in) to City Hall.
Early Voting starts Monday.
Make all the COPA people do ride alongs in 011 or 015 on a warm summer weekend. I challenged a couple liberals to do the same. They would shit themselves.
COPA brought to you by Lightfoot and her bff joe Ferguson. She already said he will stay. That means she loses my vote and hopefully the vote of any cop screwed by the lieutenant scandal he allowed. Lightfoot also loves Eddie and is showing daily she is a Rahm person. From her arrogant attitude to her campaign contributions from his buddies. Was all a set up from the beginning. Thanks Joyce and Chico and Vallas and Goofioretti may you rot in hell for destroying this city.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Speaking of not qualified, how does CB land in 020 as a new Lt??? This guy hasn't spent a day in the hood. Would shit his pants if he did. Unless you consider his merit DICK promotion out of 012 after doing nothing there. Oh yeah, business liasson Sgt in 001 while simultaneously letting Nagode put his balls on his fat chin. This dude is another emblematic problem of what is wrong with CPD. But he can lead the hard charging donkeys of 020. Another fine selection Elf.
3/17/2019 03:30:00 AM
Isn’t it amazing how certain people can just move from one great assignment to the next without ever really having to be the police. Must be nice
Sadly this is likely going nowhere.
They are a political arm of the democratic party, look again that sergeant that shot the handicapped kid a total drive by style and he gets a little suspension,watch when he gets back he will "rewarded" with another promotion that is cowardly ed's style he is more cowardly like the wizard of oz cowardly lion.
Are the feds going to go after the shooter on federal civil rights charges? Funny how flaky and jackson sit in the corners knowing what happened but rahm and his crew of handlers are probably dropping cash in donations to keep them quiet or they are more likely scared and frightened.
"when they should be looking for facts and truth."
That would just slow things down.
Anonymous said...
Hello Mr. Smoke, meet Ms. Mirror.
The city will certify COPA investigators as law enforcement officers. Problem solved (for them), case dismissed as moot. Much like merit appointments - its simply an easy way around the requirements.
3/17/2019 12:31:00 AM
I don't think that COPA investigators can be certified as law enforcement officers unless they have completed a few hundred hours of training per the training and standards board in Illinois. I do know that there is at least one short cut to this, a north suburban academy that trains on the weekends. But, I am wondering if the work around this is to have the state legislature amend the current law.
Anonymous said...
Hello Mr. Smoke, meet Ms. Mirror.
The city will certify COPA investigators as law enforcement officers. Problem solved
(for them), case dismissed as moot. Much like merit appointments - its simply an easy way around the requirements.
3/17/2019 12:31:00 AM
Yah...
Remember when Shortshanks gave the boot crews CPD-style badges
and labelled them "Enforcement Officers" during a time when
Coppers were sitting on their "activity" and "revenue" generators
real hard?
Drunken, bulb-nosed farting bozo of a watch commander said:
"Youz guys are a buncha dog-asses if ya don't write
yer daily pay in movers an' parkers."
Yeah...
Dub those hacks and haters down at COPA as "Investigators."
And City Hall will lean on the courts to dismiss
any lawsuits because they KNOW that COPA actually has
NO legal standing to "investigate" a damned thing.
COPA is a creation of desperate political pandering
by Rahm al-Ghoul in order to secure his anticipated
subsequent terms in office as mayor.
Period.
Police Like You Have No Friends.
Look.
Point & Laugh.
Leave.
Previous lawsuit claiming the same thing against IPRA was dismissed. Same shit will happen in this lawsuit against COPA. It's the Crook County way. Nobody gives a shit about the police and what they think. Illinois is super majority democratic ruled, and cops don't matter.
Ask Glen Evans if COPA has an agenda.
Riccio really fucked one of those new Lieutenants. A real tough guy all 5 feet of him. Tony you got about a month left try acting like you have some class.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The jeans teams don’t care we have no contract hell they will work for free. No pay no problem as long as my neighbors see me in my jeans with my gun showing I’m all set lol.
3/17/2019 04:17:00 AM
Did they stop handing out pay checks all of a sudden? I guess this job is like Link to you, get something for doing nothing. I mean, most of you useless humps that never worked a day in the private sector have ZERO concept of what a real work ethic is. I mean, top salary after 25 years in 2003 was 67,326 now as of the 2017 contract it’s 96,060, I never worked anywhere that someone received almost 30k in raises over that amount of time while never being promoted. I’m not saying that retiring a blue shirt is bad, but so many whine and cry about their pay, most of which don’t do nor never did jack shit, they hide behind a labor contract crying, “you can’t tell me what to do! You can’t make me actually do my job! You can’t discipline me! You can’t do this! You can’t do that!” Seriously, the only reason I can’t wait to retire isn’t the job, it’s the useless crybabies on it.
OT
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I knew I smelled a rat. COPA is NOT certified to do any police shooting investigations !!!!!!!!!!
Maybe these mother fuckers can assure us again, in contract, on how they shit can beefs after 10 years.
Fucking Lieing shit birds. I can still look up a 30 yo unsustained beef on the Internet. If your not on this shitty job do yourself a favor and don't change things. Deliver mail instead.
In truth, they are good at kicking wifebeaters off the force. Something IAD never did well.
Also a little known fact is that a large percentage of the investagators do come from police and DA backrounds and family. They actually tend to skew more towards pro police than the police rank and file would like to admit.
I think that my biggest beef with COPA is that has became the type of orginization that doesnt really have a justifiable existance. The investigations are to shoddy to stand up in a trial. Evans comes to mind. They are either too lazy,incompotent or both to shed the light of truth on any half complex situation. The office sucks up more and more resources that continue to be taken from actual training. Their work has never reduced the ghetto lottery awards so what's point of COPA aside from being a fig leaf on a naked mayor.
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The city will certify COPA investigators as law enforcement officers. Problem solved (for them), case dismissed as moot. Much like merit appointments - its simply an easy way around the requirements.
3/17/2019 12:31:00 AM
I don't think that COPA investigators can be certified as law enforcement officers unless they have completed a few hundred hours of training per the training and standards board in Illinois. I do know that there is at least one short cut to this, a north suburban academy that trains on the weekends. But, I am wondering if the work around this is to have the state legislature amend the current law.
3/17/2019 03:10:00 PM
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No one can be certified as sworn law enforcement in IL without completing a 400 hour part time academy (the NEMRT academy meets every other weekend, but it is still 400 hours) and passing the state certification exam. The full time academy is 480 hours, there is a 2 week transitional academy that part time officers attend to bridge to full time certification.
There is also the SWIC police academy that a private citizen can attend without sponsorship by any department, but upon graduation and passing the exam they are only state-certified - not sworn. They have no law enforcement powers until they are commissioned by a municipality or deputized by a sheriff’s department. It’s a route some private citizens who are serious about a career in law enforcement take (at their own expense) because it makes them marketable - a municipality doesn’t have to pay for their academy tuition or their salary while they attend an academy. No one from COPA would pass the background investigation SWIC conducts before allowing a private citizen to attend.
It’s nothing like a “merit appointment” because meritorious promotions are of already-sworn personnel. And despite what Andrew Peterson and all the DOR police impersonators think (and water rec commissioners, and city and suburban alderman) their little fake tin stars carry no legal authority - regardless of what they call themselves. Alderman were called peace officers so they could carry a firearm by city ordinance, but it was by ordinance only; they are not sworn to make on-view arrests or execute a warrant or summons. They have the same “peace officer” status as sheriff’s correctional officers in Cook County; that is, they are not police charged with a duty to enforce the law 24/7. And in the case of alderman, their peace officer status is valid only in Chicago and only by ordinance, whereas in the jail or in the case of parole officers their authority extends to wherever they are engaged in the performance of their official duties.
Of course they’re not qualified.
COPA is very much like a Kangaroo court.
3/17/2019 04:17:00 AM
Did they stop handing out pay checks all of a sudden? I guess this job is like Link to you, get something for doing nothing. I mean, most of you useless humps that never worked a day in the private sector have ZERO concept of what a real work ethic is. I mean, top salary after 25 years in 2003 was 67,326 now as of the 2017 contract it’s 96,060, I never worked anywhere that someone received almost 30k in raises over that amount of time while never being promoted. I’m not saying that retiring a blue shirt is bad, but so many whine and cry about their pay, most of which don’t do nor never did jack shit, they hide behind a labor contract crying, “you can’t tell me what to do! You can’t make me actually do my job! You can’t discipline me! You can’t do this! You can’t do that!” Seriously, the only reason I can’t wait to retire isn’t the job, it’s the useless crybabies
Hey dumb dumb not sure if you have been alive the last 4 years but when they fire, charged, strip and suspend coppers for doing there job correctly that’s when I stopped doing police work. Give the city why they want and do nothing
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Hello Mr. Smoke, meet Ms. Mirror.
The city will certify COPA investigators as law enforcement officers. Problem solved (for them), case dismissed as moot. Much like merit appointments - its simply an easy way around the requirements.
3/17/2019 12:31:00 AM
I don't think that COPA investigators can be certified as law enforcement officers unless they have completed a few hundred hours of training per the training and standards board in Illinois. I do know that there is at least one short cut to this, a north suburban academy that trains on the weekends. But, I am wondering if the work around this is to have the state legislature amend the current law.
3/17/2019 03:10:00 PM
Yeah, the lib state will amend the current law and NOT require LE experience for investigators...Hows that????
Take action. Stop bitching about FOP snd do something instead of posting on this blog.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Make all the COPA people do ride alongs in 011 or 015 on a warm summer weekend. I challenged a couple liberals to do the same. They would shit themselves.
3/17/2019 01:13:00 PM
Excellent idea They're all too chicken. They might have to actually see the results of their social justice stupidity.
Can you just hear them screamming? Lol
Blah... no one cares as long as they toss cops under the bus
Did they stop handing out pay checks all of a sudden? I guess this job is like Link to you, get something for doing nothing. I mean, most of you useless humps that never worked a day in the private sector have ZERO concept of what a real work ethic is. I mean, top salary after 25 years in 2003 was 67,326 now as of the 2017 contract it’s 96,060,
----------------
Hey dipshit.
$67,326 in 2003 dollars IS NOW $100,819.89.
You are too stupid yourself to work a GOOD paying job in the private sector.
https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl
The city has been violating this law for three years and everyone was aware of it. Why the lawsuit now?
Not Qualified, most of the people on the 5th floor are not qualified to manage a shoe store.
Dana, Fred, Eddie, Carter, Eugene, Welch, Caluris, Lemmer, Wysinger, Hall, Sam, Fenner, Richardson, Gushes, the list goes on, all merit numerous times. How can these people lead the third largest Police Dept. Even if a couple passed a test these people have treated the officer's under them like shit; there is no respect! COPA may not be certified, but god damn the above and many more are not qualified. It is gonna take years to fix and I do not know if this once great Dept will ever be fixed!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hello Mr. Smoke, meet Ms. Mirror.
The city will certify COPA investigators as law enforcement officers. Problem solved (for them), case dismissed as moot. Much like merit appointments - its simply an easy way around the requirements.
3/17/2019 12:31:00 AM
For that to happen, they will all have to go through the academy.
3/17/2019 07:18:00 AM
What makes you think this is an issue for the city? They'll send the copa folks through the academy, pass them like they are family, and bam, problem solved. Or the supermajority downstate will change the law and sign it with the porcelain rubber stamp.
Anonymous said...
Did "Chicago PD" ever have a COPA episode?
3/17/2019 07:32:00 AM
They’ve had several.
Riccio really fucked one of those new Lieutenants. A real tough guy all 5 feet of him. Tony you got about a month left try acting like you have some class.
3/17/2019 04:52:00 PM
Trust me kid, he'll be fine.
Batches? We don't need no stinking Batches!
I don't think that COPA investigators can be certified as law enforcement officers unless they have completed a few hundred hours of training per the training and standards board in Illinois. I do know that there is at least one short cut to this, a north suburban academy that trains on the weekends. But, I am wondering if the work around this is to have the state legislature amend the current law.
Problem is, if you read the administrative guidance from the Board us, that they do not work for law enforcement agency, which copa is not. The next paragraph writes that even retired officers can not be certified lead homicide investigators.
No copa in the suburbs or other states. Just saying
As long as we get retro, I could give a fuck less about another contract. It’s like a forced savings account.
3/17/2019 11:33:00 AM
You are an idiot. Go find yourself a good financial planner, because you’ll never be able to afford to retire with that kind of thinking.
3/17/2019 11:11:00 PM
I didn’t put the 30 year step because I don’t think there’s any left that get it, I believe you had to be hired before a certain date in 79 or 81, I can’t remember. Someone on here remember what the date was?
FOP should have filed a long time ago before the left took over the city and state. This too will hit the circular file as soon as it gets assigned to a democratic judge and he finds no merit to it. Could someone at FOP assign someone who isn't on the fishing,golf,picnic or what other bs committee they have and keep up on whats going on in the PD. Seems like everyone is asleep at the wheel there and worried about the bs instead of the important issues. Where's Greg the mouth when you need him.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Riccio really fucked one of those new Lieutenants. A real tough guy all 5 feet of him. Tony you got about a month left try acting like you have some class.
3/17/2019 04:52:00 PM
Trust me kid, he'll be fine.
3/18/2019 01:05:00 AM
So what did he do to him or her?
Just like the Cook County Sheriffs OPR Investigators. Some are retired CPD the others are hired off the street and after a while sent the CCS Academy. And to top it off. They take the Corrections test. They get their certification and firearms training.
3/17/2019 10:05:00 PM
So you’re a welfare rat and a thief, stealing a paycheck, I get it. I guess
Anonymous said...
FOP lost this once already. And the law allows COPA. So it’s going nowhere. Move on to something else.
3/17/2019 09:27:00 AM
I agree. The best route for FOP to take is jump in on some pending lawsuits aginst COPA, and out them for their ineptitude.
The idiots at Northwestern and University of Chicago joined BLM and the DOJ consent decree as " friends of the Court" in suing the Chicago Police . The FOP ought to do likewise against COPA.
Anonymous said...
No copa in the suburbs or other states. Just saying
3/18/2019 04:27:00 AM
The only functions for COPA is to provide political coverage for the mayor, and pacify the anti police crowd and social justice police hating entities like Black Lives Matters.
COPA should be disbanded.
Anonymous said...
Not Qualified, most of the people on the 5th floor are not qualified to manage a shoe store.
Dana, Fred, Eddie, Carter, Eugene, Welch, Caluris, Lemmer, Wysinger, Hall, Sam, Fenner, Richardson, Gushes, the list goes on, all merit numerous times. How can these people lead the third largest Police Dept. Even if a couple passed a test these people have treated the officer's under them like shit; there is no respect! COPA may not be certified, but god damn the above and many more are not qualified. It is gonna take years to fix and I do not know if this once great Dept will ever be fixed!
3/17/2019 11:29:00 PM
That being said, why hasn't there been a " no confidence vote" against Rahm and Eddie?
Anonymous said...
The city has been violating this law for three years and everyone was aware of it. Why the lawsuit now?
3/17/2019 11:27:00 PM
Because the union and OPS/IPRA/COPA have been in bed with each other for years. One hand washes the other. IPRA attacks the officers the department or FOP doesn't like or won't support.
Anonymous said...
"In truth, they are good at kicking wifebeaters off the force. Something IAD never did well."
Really? I know of a current CPD chief, on the job right now, that's a known wife beater. Why didn't COPA kick him off the force?
"Also a little known fact is that a large percentage of the investagators do come from police and DA backrounds and family. They actually tend to skew more towards pro police than the police rank and file would like to admit."
I know of a retired commander that got fired from COPA, sued them and won. Another current COPA investigator, also ex CPD, was called out by a judge for lying against an officer.
"I think that my biggest beef with COPA is that has became the type of orginization that doesnt really have a justifiable existance. The investigations are to shoddy to stand up in a trial. Evans comes to mind. They are either too lazy,incompotent or both to shed the light of truth on any half complex situation. The office sucks up more and more resources that continue to be taken from actual training. Their work has never reduced the ghetto lottery awards so what's point of COPA aside from being a fig leaf on a naked mayor."
You missed the whole boat on that Evans case.That wasn't just incompetence. It was corruption, criminal activity, and political retaliation by IPRA,NPR, The State's attorney's office and IAD .
I went online and read that Evans lawsuit. He ought to hand carry the entire file to the feds.
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They may as well start shouting "Copa!" whenever they begin one of their investigations, just like they do when setting cheese alight in Greek restaurants. Except this time, it's their credibility on fire.
Fun notes about COPA
COPA has been, and is being sued numerous times- by both officers and their own employees.
COPA employees have been charged with criminal offenses; false official reports;leaking confidential information to the media and plaintiff's attorney;
COPA investigators have been caught perjuring in court by judge and officer's counsel.
Sharon Fairley, the previous COPA head, has been and is being sued multiple times for false official reports, perjuring, and retaliation.
Despite getting endorsements by all of the major news and media outlets ( reward for leaking info to them)-lost BIG time in her run for attorney general.
COPA investigators are failed cops, car salesmen, clerks, and other low level civilian employees.
COPA shouldn't be able to obtain the sworn officer training unless Aviation security officers who lost their police powers are granted the same opportunity.
and most disturbing of all, a COPA employee is related by blood to the member of the Chicago Police Board. They even share the same last name ( Eaddy). Does that mean the member who has a case in front of that board who was investigated by that COPA employee have a shot at a fair hearing?
“The jeans teams don’t care we have no contract hell they will work for free. No pay no problem as long as my neighbors see me in my jeans with my gun showing I’m all set lol.
3/17/2019 04:17
You’re such a douche. If u don’t want to do your job fine, but why criticize those that still do the job. We all have families living here who need us doing the job we’re paid to do.”
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Yah, he’s a pussy. He’s the dude that no matter what the problem is, it’s always some young coppers fault. COPA being illegitimate? 3 year wonders fault. No contract? 3 year wonders. My wife won’t touch my limp dick anymore? 3 year wonders. I dont know who these people are, because I’ve spent all my time in 011/015 and the old timers and young guys all get along laughing and joking on jobs. Giving advice to the younger guys. The way it should be. Then you get keyboard warrior up there. Such a shame people like him are still on the job.
3/18/2019 02:00:00 PM
You talk about aviation security, why are the sergeants in that unit arguing about who goes where? Funny how so many sergeants were patrolmen on cpd retired used the clout and now are the bosses of security officers former coppers! This is dizzying! also on another thread on SCC why do their new explorers have mp police plates on them? Another screw up by another incompetent aviation commissioner!
Another thing to think about the fired aviation commissioner ginger Evans who screwed up so many times while drawing an over $400,000 yearly salary plus bonus is she getting a hunk of the scarce pension money? Hmm how much is the new commissioner being paid?
COPA should be disbanded. It's all a bunch of political garbage. See right through it and I'm a citizen not a police officer.
I have an idea. Why don’t you take all COPA members down to the uniform shop and they can buy a sweater, shirt, boots, and pants and steal some nameplates. They can also buy some duty rigs, roll up newspapers and stick them in the holsters and cover them with the sweater, check out a squad and radio, grab a partner and take calls for a shift. They could do all of this and not attend an academy. In fact, they don’t even have to be 18.
I mean hell, it’s not like this hasn’t happened before.
Riccio really fucked one of those new Lieutenants. A real tough guy all 5 feet of him. Tony you got about a month left try acting like you have some class.
3/17/2019 04:52:00 PM
A guy from OCD not landing on his feet!!! Cry me a fucking river. Oh yeah, he's on days too. He has to use his own gas for couple months. Im sure however a.k.a. Whoever got him to OCD will get him a nice spot soon.
Eat a dick
The Unclouted
Anonymous said...
Not Qualified, most of the people on the 5th floor are not qualified to manage a shoe store.
Dana, Fred, Eddie, Carter, Eugene, Welch, Caluris, Lemmer, Wysinger, Hall, Sam, Fenner, Richardson, Gushes, the list goes on, all merit numerous times. How can these people lead the third largest Police Dept. Even if a couple passed a test these people have treated the officer's under them like shit; there is no respect! COPA may not be certified, but god damn the above and many more are not qualified. It is gonna take years to fix and I do not know if this once great Dept will ever be fixed!
3/17/2019 11:29:00 PM
That being said, why hasn't there been a " no confidence vote" against Rahm and Eddie?
3/18/2019 01:33:00 PM
Ooooohhh, a "no confidence vote".
That should scare the pants off of them.
Aviation has security officers ? I thought they were uniformed ushers.
A guy from OCD not landing on his feet!!! Cry me a fucking river. Oh yeah, he's on days too. He has to use his own gas for couple months. Im sure however a.k.a. Whoever got him to OCD will get him a nice spot soon.
Eat a dick
The Unclouted
So what you are saying is a Lt from OCD just got out of the academy and was sent to a district?
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