Chase Refresher Course
- The family of a 37-year-old woman who was killed by a stolen van being pursued by Chicago police during a high-speed chase through Englewood in 2015 will receive more than $21 million from the city of Chicago, attorneys for the family announced Wednesday.
Late Tuesday afternoon, a jury reached their verdict, awarding $21.3 million in the civil case before Judge Joan E. Powell at the Daley Center.
The trial lasted three weeks, said Andrew Touhy, a spokesman for the law firm Romanucci & Blandin, which represented the family of Maria Carrion Adame. It took the jury all day Tuesday to come to a decision, according to Touhy.
Until they come up with a car disabling laser of some sort or a standard "kill switch" it is not worth it to chase for pretty much anything.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
61 Comments:
How many times hasn’t that training bulletin been posted? But coppers will never learn. Hey I need to be kept on this watch etc.
Anyone who has chased a car after about 2010 is a complete idiot.
How many times do you need to be told to understand?
NOTHING GOOD CAN COME FROM IT!
Any-and-every poor decision and risk shithead behind the wheel takes falls on the PURSUING OFFICER when all is said and done.
Are you willing to bet your job, pension, and freedom on the driving ability of some amped up shithead who is probably high and never even had a license, with nothing to lose?
I buy tickets for just about any and every benefit that I encounter- because you just never know when it could be you.
But if you chase a car and step on your dick, don’t expect me to buy a ticket to help you out- you knew exactly what you were doing and I can’t support intentional stupidity. Enjoy the consequences of your poor decisions.
The bad guy struck not the police. bizzarro
We hammer this home in roll all the time. The officers on our watch in our district seem to get it. But, we can only control or attempt to influence and guide our watch. Tact does their thing b/c their bosses aren’t hammering home that in almost no circumstance should they ever chase. Don’t even start it or call it out. Just let them drive away. We hear chases in our bordering district and then often end in crashes and think why did they chase to begin with. Unless a cop has been injured in some way, I can’t see almost any instance worth chasing. Just let them go. Once you accept that, it becomes a lot easier. Also, you should not be waiting for a supervisor to terminate your chase. You are an adult and should know the chase order. Don’t put it on a supervisor to end your stupid chase, be a man/woman and self terminate it your self.
So, the 37 year old woman would have made 21 million dollars had she lived?
These payouts are ridiculous.
Tort reform.
The Coast Guard has a drug interdiction helicopter that uses a 50 Cal gun to disable fast boat engines
PH1 could have a 50 Cal, one thru the engine block like Blackhawk Down
Boys and girls, please stop being stupid. Please stop the veg pursuits! Weigh it out!!! It’s not worth it.
Speaking of chases . . . a black Porsche and a orange Charger had a running gun battle going as they chased each other southbound on Lake Shore Drive through 018 and 001 tonite. Makes for an exciting lakefront stroll for visiting tourists. Luckily no one went home with an unwanted souvenir.
It’s not even worth making traffic stops, period. STOP IT!
The hardest thing in the world to do is turn off the lights and go the other way. Now is not a good time to be a cowboy in this town.
End of the day cook county juriers are a big part of problem if they believe the standard is to shift all blame on the police and therefore the taxpayers for the actions of criminals, the city is rotting away.
You can't do your job because high level legal firms
are just waiting to pounce upon the time card hack
attorneys of Cook County.
$21 MILLION??? WTF??!!
Where is that Blue Thunder chopper when you need'em?
Here you go guys n gals, rather than sticking your necks out to have em lobbed off by the slanted courts, negative press and other vulture attorney types...
This is REAL not some science fiction bologna.
You can buy alot of dese babies for 21 million bucks...
Dey come in a vehicle mounted system and a handheld launcher version, something like ole' Batmam might use...but it actually works.
Many other PDs use'em. I have seen them depolyed on dat der LIVE PD program and dey catch de bad guys.
StarChase Pursuit Management Technology
https://www.starchase.com/
Don't stick your necks out, go home safe and sane to your family and friends.
We appreciate you.
Look up the StarChaser device. That's what we should have.
I have come to tell my 17 year old son these years to be ULTRA vigilant as he drives to Mt Carmel HS. I tell him that is an area, A COMMUNITY, where an idiot can hit him driving while texting, or the same idiot SPEEDING blows a light or a stop sign or a police chase might crash into him. Oh God the horror that would be. Those are the facts of his young life. All of our lives
1- There needs to be a cap on these lawsuits. Taxpayers can’t be responsible every time a violator doesn’t follow the law.
2- Stop blaming the police. The violator is responsible for causing this.
3- I think these huge payouts should be investigated. Judges used to be lawyers. How many help their buddies get a huge payday with boosted settlements?
I've been retired over nine years.
During the last several I worked,
the Capt & Lt would tell us every
other "no veh chases."
It got to the point of "ok, ok, gee boss,
can't we talk about something else."
You can't fix stupid.
Dear tact, baby tact (06) and the wannabe tact offices. Please stop ! Signed a fellow P.o and taxpayer ! Oh and outside Units, yeah sorry i understand you're too cool to get it so I'll not bother wasting my breath !
20+ on, and my reminder is that you’re chasing stolen property. Would you put yourself, partners, or the innocent people’s lives in danger by chasing dude for a cell phone, pencil, or a weave? Lumped up together, and it’s still property. RWOC, and the lawsuit is on thee!!!
NONE of us want the bad guys to get away, it's not in our nature. But as long as the law is going to hold us responsible for the offender's driving actions (which is ridiculous) we have to be smart and exercise self control and NOT put our selves in a position to enrich the lowlife attorneys. Until the laws hold the bad guy responsible for his own actions (really how are we responsible if he crashes) as long as we control our own vehicle it should all be on the bad guy. But then the lowlife leeches would have to sue the bad guy and 1/3 of nothing equals nothing. So out smart the real bad guys, the lowlife lawyers and lowest of all life forms the Politicians who put us in this position. If you look at it this way you may feel better. We live in a part of the country where WE are the enemy. We are downed flyers behind enemy lines. Lt. S
Wow I can’t believe the police are held liable- $23 M is nuts- that’s tax free so it’s like earning $32-$35 M. Before taxes. So this woman would have earned a $1 M a year or the policeman’s conduct was deemed to be that egregious. So basically Police will never pull anyone over again. Seems like a recipe for a degenerating society.
So the guy who ran from the police is off the hook?
GPS in your car. Video cameras on light pole, businesses etc. Ensures that you are dead meat if you violate the chase policy in any way. So don't chase...for the millionth time!!!
I was there. Not a high speed chase. They lit it up. They floored it for one block when they t-boned the car. They even pulled over before it crashed. All assholes were caught but released without charging. Look it up.
Anonymous said...
It’s not even worth making traffic stops, period. STOP IT!
4/26/2019 01:15:00 AM
I agree. They're not worth it. Why chance something bad happening then you get blamed and put through the wringer? Same goes for most street stops too.
I'm not sure why they're putting more plate readers in these cars. I'm still not stopping anyone.
Leave chasing cars to dogs.. and be safe.
$21 million??? This is the problem! Where do they get these outrageous amounts? The shitheads get about $6 million if killed by the police even during a good shooting and others get $21 million? Are they trying to support the deceased kids, grandkids, great grandkids, cousins, etc? Crazy!!
What happened to the driver of the stolen van? Was there a plea bargain to speeding?
Has anyone passed this info to the coppers in 011? Lol
Cops won’t chase you, they will let you go in court, this town is a great place to work. The downside for me is to run into one of those damn CCW people. It should be against some law for non criminals to carry a gun.
It is standard practice out here in the South Suburbs, Palos Heights, Palos Park, Orland, the police do not chase for stolen vehicles, theft from auto, burglaries, shoplifting, etc. No chases short of armed robbery and murder. The criminals seem to know it as breaking into cars is a nightly game of sport out here. The police, who spend most of their time on the major streets in traffic tickets, every once in a while will actually see someone escaping from a car burglary. They will not chase the thief.
so they are saying this 37 yr old woman, had she survived, would have earned $37 Million in her remaining, what, 50 yrs? That's $750 k per year, even in retirement?
I say take AT LEAST one zero off that number, probably two zeroes.
And what about the estate of the fleeing driver? I'm sure he had zero saved, but is he not liable? I know, I know ... crazy talk.
sorry 21M, not 37M
so it's 420K per year
So, the offender chose to take off. The offender stashed. Why isn’t the offenders family paying?
Anonymous said...
End of the day cook county juriers are a big part of problem if they believe the standard is to shift all blame on the police and therefore the taxpayers for the actions of criminals, the city is rotting away.
4/26/2019 03:24:00 AM
At the end of the shift, we all know who's to blame but you can't get a dime from the shitbirds in the hot car unless they're professional athletes or platinum selling rappers...
I don't think these jurors realize that, ultimately, the money awarded is coming out of their pockets. As a previous poster said, we need tort reform.
We have the last of the 90’s Clinton-era Crime Bill Merit bosses still running the shitshow for starts.
Some still have that “numbers” and “activity” mental illness regardless how much they push the SpecialEd trust doctrine.
All a bit too shaky with their “by the books” reactions when shit hits the fan.
It’s a shame that there still is a very small group in every District that still harbors Hard Chargers.
These are the dimwit suckers that fall for the Merit Package bait.
I don’t think it’s ethics and oaths anymore.
But I will say it’s not always that easy to disengage either.
It does get better with age...and a trip or two down to 219:S. Dearborn.
There’s better things to police and it’s not the County protected feral.
The day will come when these chases will become civil rights violations just like the reasonable suspicion has become.
And the easily excited yearlings will still rush in without thinking to vie for that one coveted spot on the watch, team or unit.
No blue light specials.
Two prong chase balance test:
What’s in your bank account?
How much can you borrow?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
End of the day cook county juriers are a big part of problem if they believe the standard is to shift all blame on the police and therefore the taxpayers for the actions of criminals, the city is rotting away.
4/26/2019 03:24:00 AM
The critics of the city settling claims should pay attention to this. Read all the time, city should fight the case. Now do you see why they settle and admit no wrong doing
21 million???? How in the hell did they determine $21,000,000 was the appropriate amount? And how much of that is the suspect responsible for? Total abuse of the tax payers but what else is new.
I am a citizen of Chicago and I always cringe when i hear or read about a police chase. Reason being at the end of the story I read about the innocent people or family who were killed as the car being chased slamed into them at an intersection. Then the next sentence i read is that the person driving the chased car ran from the scene never to be found, and the only reason they were being chased is they had a burned out tail light or something like that. I also remember a few years back when a an off duty policeman on his way home from his shift was struck and killed in his personal car at an intersection by a car that was being chased by the police. So, one of your own was killed on his way home from work because of a chase. Wasn't that enough proof to stop chases, i guess not. Police chases aren't worth it...no one benefits, there are only losers and those are the innocent ones just driving down the street...they lose their lives!! PLEASE no more chases...it ain't worth it, and the judge will give them a low bond and they'll bond out before you finish your paperwork, and then Crimesha will either reduce the charges or just drop the charges and blame it on the police!!
The slogan for chases should be the same as the slogan for drugs:
Just Say No!
In today’s climate absolutely nothing good will come out of a chase regardless of what crimes the thug has committed.
Unless a cop has been injured in some way, I can’t see almost any instance worth chasing. Just let them go.
Do injured citizens not count or just injured cops?
California is one of the most liberal states in the nation, and they're within the liberal 9th circuit court boundaries, yet California agencies get into vehicle pursuits all the time.
Supreme Court has already ruled that pursuits are totally acceptable. The only pursuits that draw scrutiny are ones that "shock the conscience", such as chasing a speeder through a grammar school dismissal, with hundreds of kids on the streets, walking in and out of traffic. I agree that chasing isn't worth it to me, but legally, the city should win all these big money verdicts on appeal, based on supreme court precedent.
Wait a second, the no chase policy by Special Ed is brilliant. You call in the description of the vehicle and direction of flight. Other units see the wanted vehicle and call it in and continue on their patrol or respond to next call. Only paper car does its thing. Maybe a follow up by the Dicks. This is great. You really don't have much to do. Bad guys get away to murder and terrorize the community again and again. Cuts down on generous jury awards and bad publicity. This is really a swell idea. Ed should get a big medal or maybe a big bonus from Little Lorie's on another great crime fighting idea.
Do anything more than that and your A$$ will be in a sling. If anyone asks if your going to chase the bad guys, just tell them Special Ed said "no chases". Give them what they want. Do less with less.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The Coast Guard has a drug interdiction helicopter that uses a 50 Cal gun to disable fast boat engines
PH1 could have a 50 Cal, one thru the engine block like Blackhawk Down
They would never use it
Re: LSD
Funny how things never change.
Back in the day LSD was used by fashionable young
gentlemen to give their horses a run while they sat
back in the one-man carriage. Races were common;
guns not so much.
you will always get in some type of trouble if a chase goes wrong. You will go home at the end of your tour with no worries if you never chase.
Tell that to Commander Don Jerome!
What most new guys (coming from a retiree who attended the meeting about no chasing about 18 years ago), don't underetand is that since the plainclosed Sgt. ran over the Chinese woman downtown the official policy since then had been don't do it. Im not saying don't rush to a 10-1, but the policy hasn't changed since then. Don't do it. The powers that be will leave you to twist in the wind. Call me a coward, a pussy, a blowhard, if you must. I am trying to help you, unlike most of your cherished bosses who couldn't give a shit about you.
The Coast Guard has a drug interdiction helicopter that uses a 50 Cal gun to disable fast boat engines
PH1 could have a 50 Cal, one thru the engine block like Blackhawk Down
4/26/2019 12:31:00 AM
And straight through the car driving the other way, bouncing off the pavement and through three wall of the house downrange, hopefully, hopefully not hitting anyone.
It is an ounce of lead traveling at over 2,000 feet per second.
Anonymous said...
Unless a cop has been injured in some way, I can’t see almost any instance worth chasing. Just let them go.
Do injured citizens not count or just injured cops?
4/26/2019 01:17:00 PM
The same citizens that vote for these idiotic Democrats for years? Nope you do not. Don't feel bad because there are some idiot coppers that don't count either in my book.
The sergeant on this lawsuit has since been promoted
Beyond ridiculous,sorry for the loss of her life, but what happened to replacing the expected loss? She was never going to be worth that amount. Who the fuck is being allowed to pick these jurors? Thank G)d I am long retired and I truly feel for those still working. Seriously, what is the point of doing police work anymore????
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Beyond ridiculous,sorry for the loss of her life, but what happened to replacing the expected loss? She was never going to be worth that amount. Who the fuck is being allowed to pick these jurors? Thank G)d I am long retired and I truly feel for those still working. Seriously, what is the point of doing police work anymore????
4/27/2019 05:02:00 AM
You must not have gone to court often who do you think picks the jurors? The same ones that picked when you were on. Punitive damages, pain and suffering, not only loss of wages
I'll say this again and again, don't car chase,don't foot chase,don't stop anyone.Just answer the radio and go to your calls. Be safe and God Bless !
Times have changed. Law enforcement is not the same as it once was before. Chicago's moto: BE THE CHANGE. I don't agree with the change, its the new CPD !
Unless a cop has been injured in some way, I can’t see almost any instance worth chasing. Just let them go.
Do injured citizens not count or just injured cops?
I think the point was, that most chases start out as a traffic violation, or some minor thing, and can ened badly. Citizens obviously count, but car chases are just too dangerous and will not end well.
California is one of the most liberal states in the nation, and they're within the liberal 9th circuit court boundaries, yet California agencies get into vehicle pursuits all the time.
Supreme Court has already ruled that pursuits are totally acceptable. The only pursuits that draw scrutiny are ones that "shock the conscience", such as chasing a speeder through a grammar school dismissal, with hundreds of kids on the streets, walking in and out of traffic. I agree that chasing isn't worth it to me, but legally, the city should win all these big money verdicts on appeal, based on supreme court precedent.
Almost everywhere in Chicago is a school district, kids are crossing everywhere. There are too many people, AMD too much traffic, etc., To chase. Maybe the laws will change, but , there will still be terrible injuries, deaths, etc. Much of this out of control of the officers chasing, but they will still be held liable. I think units calling in the location of offenders is a good idea, but that's all that can be done.
Just want to point out that vehicle chases are extremely dangerous for police officers too. I think offenders should be apprehended and don't want to see them go free, but this is a win for the officer and keeps them safe. High speed vehicle chases are one of the most dangerous things a police officer does. As much as it's about avoiding lawsuits, politics and certain unfortunate events that have ruined it, this policy will keep you safe!
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