Question in the Comment Section
So where did these guys end up?
- What happened to the detectives from LA who were going to show CPD how to clear and close cases?
And an answer appears:
- They found out that the chief, and the majority of the people in charge of investigators, had never handled a criminal investigation themselves. When they offered advice to change that first, they were immediately shot down and tuned out from giving any other tips and clues.
Go figure.
We figured they'd be teaching the new detectives all the latest tricks.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
84 Comments:
It's a real problem trying to solve crime when the command staff can't find their ass with both hands!
Don't forget that they were shocked at all the hoops the Detectives had to jump through with the crook county states attorney office. They stated it was like dealing with a public defender.
They gave up after they heard for the twentieth time, "Who sent ya?"
Hey jack ass! shows Chicago has a 9% Clearance Rate.
Isn't that about the number of murderers you find standing over the corpse when you drive up?
Reform in Chicago pd only applies to the unclouted blue shirts in patrol.
Do as we say, not as we do.
FUCK this place!
Hmmmm?
Clout protecting it's own from being disrobed
and revealed as being a bunch of gold star
ignoramuses?
Kind of like the argument that the public
doesn't want it's Policemen to be "too"
smart...
"They might get uppity and forget their place
as humble public servants if they're too sharp
and savvy."
That's why there will NEVER be a genuine
culture shift back to pure Policing
based on The Peelian Principles of Policing.
The flinty-eyed Irate Watchman needs to be restored
to his proper place in Chicago...
The soft-handed, wet-eyed, faux-friendly
sing-songy voiced, non-threatening "guardian"
that white-guilt liberal progressives and the
perpetually aggrieved peoples and folkses have
screamed loudly for, have gotten this city what now?
The return of the "Tell you then make you" Police
would be welcome.
"This ain't mother-may-I, damn you!
It's a POLICE ORDER! Not a request!"
...Best reading of the Riot Act we ever heard.
Old salty, crusty 40+ year, "Pie Plate Police" Sergeant
who had the gift for speaking the language that these criminal
shit-heads can easily understand.
Every district still had a couple.
Good Times...
Anonymous said...
Anyone that has money in deferred comp better take it out before the city takes it out for you. Technically it is still the cities money and they have not paid it to you that is how the feds justify not collecting taxes on it. The city used it for their credit rating too. What does that tell you?
7/10/2019 07:59:00 PM
Are you smoking crack?
WTF, this is beyond ridiculous,
Listen, getting all merit promotions makes you the bestest bosses ever. You never need advice or help from anyone who has actually done the job. Merit imbues you with powers of excellent leadership and police ability. Look at Ed. The only thing that gives me some comfort is that he married Fenner, and he will be paying the price for that for the rest of her cheating life.
Thank you Daley, and Phil Cline.,we lost the Detective Division with Cline patronage hacks, and after Phil, the un indicted coconspirator in the 010 District,
What also pissed off the LA elite was old Iron Sides himself, Murphy, the moron in charge of the Crime Lab.,a patrolman calling the shots, Little Herbie, and the LAPD also suggested chemists and civilians with degrees in biology, anthropology, molecular structure.
Not Ginger Rugauis neice or other political appointments.
That’s only common sense.
I’ve never understood how a career beat cop can become a “merit” Sgt, and then use that same phone call to become a Sgt in the Detective Division.
How can you guide a team of officers who are doing a job you have absolutely NO clue about? They should be able to turn to their Sgt for advice, but on far too many teams- their Sgt has absolutely no idea, because they’ve never done the job that they are supervising.
Hell, look at Lt OV from AC. He has more sexual beefs than investigations in his career. But he used to be a 189 guy, so obviously that qualifies him to be a Lt in the D unit.
This job literally has no clue, and they don’t eat one.
It’s not surprising they would bring in outside help, and then take the most glaringly obvious recommendations and shitcan them.
“Wait, you’re saying that our supervisors should have some experience in the field they are supervising? Naahh, they don’t need it....”
Wtf.
Hey i like my white shirt incompetent!
with homicides solved by arrest in the 3% range and the new dicks being forced into homicide teams so they can stay on days. I see a bright future .
At least the Detectives received phones that were were trackers and pretty useless in adding any relative apps. The phones were 6 years old models to boot ask groot what kinda of city phone she got? (encrypted IPHONE her security is detectives)
Anonymous said...
Anyone that has money in deferred comp better take it out before the city takes it out for you. Technically it is still the cities money and they have not paid it to you that is how the feds justify not collecting taxes on it. The city used it for their credit rating too. What does that tell you?
Absolutely false. You’re an idiot.
As a former violent crimes detective back in the day, I was promoted to Sgt, and try as I may to get back to the D unit, I never could. Who did? Morons that never were detectives, were merit promoted, and were Sgts in a district for less than 6 months. Same as it ever was.
Once you leave this department and compare it to other similar police agencies in the nation, you really see how unprofessional it really is.
You can't teach someone who knows everything. Their 8% homicide record is proof of how great they are. Now the excuses will begin. Understaffed, community won't talk, ASA won't charge. There the excuses posted now STFU and find a way to get the job done or you will pushing a patrol car again. Accountability totally lacking in Detectives job description. Solve or leave, as H Ross Perot said, simple as that. Boo Hoo, cry me a river.
The Detectives have become a merit haven no wonder things are such a cluster fuck. Look no further than all the merit promotions across the board in that division. Problem in a nut shell. Now what is the CPD going to do about it? Nothing right, so Lori what are you going to do about it? Time to eally shake things up and the Detectives would be a good starting place, would send a very strong message to entire CPD. Start at top and first layers of management team. Make an example of them and watch things fall into place.
Anyone here surorised?
It’s like an orthopedic surgeon doing brain surgery. Wouldn’t you want someone with expertise and specific training doing the job ?
The CPD has always placed supervisors in areas where they don’t belong. It’s their MO.
Thus the incompetence leading the incompetent. Failure all around.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Don't forget that they were shocked at all the hoops the Detectives had to jump through with the crook county states attorney office. They stated it was like dealing with a public defender.
7/11/2019 12:19:00 AM
we still have a detective division with unlimited overtime and a 7% clearance rate? Thought they were all to be in uniform in marked cars to be more accountable, but the chicago way is carry on!
LMAO @ 7/11..12:28AM...Thanks for that!!
0700, that is completely false. That hasn't been the case in more than 20 years. The city can't touch it.
I’ve never understood how a career beat cop can become a “merit” Sgt, and then use that same phone call to become a Sgt in the Detective Division.
Kind of like the “merit” Sgt. in 12 who came from 18. Never was Det. but works in back with the in house Dets. Oh, that’s right he was on a useless 06 car.
I agree 4:45AM.
I think there’s certain spots you can go be a Sgt without having had worked there as a PO. For example if you spent years on the street, working on tac teams, become a Sgt, id feel comfortable with that person being a Sgt in the gang unit or narcotics. Not that they’d go straight there, but you know what I’m saying. It’s a unit but it’s still all the same work that was done all those years on tac teams. BUT for something like detective, no matter how great of a street cop you are, you’re not going to know shit if you’re thrown into supervise detectives, because you’d never done anything like that on the street, it’s not even the same animal, a totally different job. The whole point of having supervisors is to have someone there to, uhhhh, supervise, to guide you, to be there if you need help where they can draw on their vast experience to help you through an issue. My question, these guys and gals who spent a long time as a dic and made Sgt, where are they? Supervising coppers in 015? 011? 016? 020? Real fucking effective use of our departments talent and knowledge.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
As usual, bullshit being posted in the comments. Staples was a detective and spent time in the D unit as a Sgt. and Lt. We can all agree that some gold stars have been promoted way beyond their abilities, but, don't embellish shit just to put it on the blog. If you don't like someone, that's understandable. But don't post bullshit just for spite.
The little boy said "Look, the King has no clothes".
Sort of like LA dicks telling Barney Fife that a bullet
in the pocket won't cut it in LA.
If you don't actually believe you need help, you're just
like an alcoholic. You still haven't hit rock bottom yet.
Thank you for the"are you smokin crack" crack for the mush telling everyone to take out their def comp. I haven't laugh that long for a while. Stay safe brothers and sisters in blue.
Go spend another $10,000 thousands bucks and tag along a half dozen Code 49’s to travel the Moon to find out how they keep a tight clamp on crime up there and still come back perplexed.
Rarely does one expect anything logical from a hack was likely late most days, probably sat in the back of the room in the Academy and Sgt-Lt Skool. The man with more questions than answers wherever he steps...and we gotta work harder to build that trust.
Cook County empowerment. Empty jails and affordable bonds, higher taxes, more programs.
All failures that keep getting funded.
What’s a Jugghaid to do?
Keep the sham going.
It’s like when the violent feral thug comes before a judge for a sentencing hearing, they are asked about what they’ve done to improve themselves. They have to give example of the community service performed.
Basically SpecialEd took these informational excursions to show PeaceFrog LightLoafer that he’s been busy seeking remedies.
We can do this a lot cheaper without a $270k chatter parrot.
If Jugghaid was able to strut the full length of the Hollywood Walk of Fame, snatch a selfie sitting on a Kamel Harris 2020 bus stop bench ad, not get asked to leave from In-N-Out, make it back for an Accountability Moo-day...I’d say that’s about the most we should have expected and chalk it up as a win.
Yup. Nothin of a Political Circus with windbag Clown bosses.
Ja G Mal (look at me Green), the fake priest Pfleger and Tio Halfaman have the answers. (8 people at their big news conference)
They are going to hold the city, the county and the state accountable for these shootings and murders.
They are pushing for $$$ for a witness protection agency for citizens that come forward with info about shootings and murders.
They also want $$$$ for a city reward program (giving $10k to each person that gets someone else arrested and $5k for people that give evidence of crimes)
Additionally they want to have $10k bounties placed on known offenders of gun criems.
ChiCommunitySolutions.com (but of course there is little to no information on that website)
Oh the stories the L.A.guys now have about CPD.
(OT) The answer to handle all these scumbag protesters and George Soros;
Batman vs Antifa
https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=14s&utm_medium=email&v=eXqWy4y2_XA
For you slow folks out there who have no clue about Detective work. That clearance rate is for current year only. That doesn’t count the dozens of cases the area is clearing from previous years. We solved one the other day from Dec 2018, It doesn’t go on this years stats. Last year Area North was at 50 percent, Central was at 52 percent , and South was at about 28percent. It’s not that we’re not solving cases , it’s just taking longer. Anyone who doesn’t understand that , should continue to hand out the radio s and listen to their CNN.
The group from LA told the CPD that all detectives should have Dept phones. Now that has been done, the LA group is claiming success and submitted a bill for just under a million dollars.
I was involved in the process by which LAPD reviewed our procedures for homicide investigations. City Hall provided a complete case file of a homicide and they asked three exempt command staffed individuals from LAPD to review it independently. After the review, each exempt number from LAPD focused on one issue that appeared to be the problem with solving homicide investigations here in Chicago. They were shocked the second largest police department in United States did not have its own crime lab. Adding to that, they were also perplexed at the time frame in which detectives received evidence results from pending investigation. For example at LAPD, when latent prints are recovered at a crime scene and submitted for analysis, LAPD Detectives received the results of that analysis in approximately a month. Here in Chicago that same request takes between 18 and 24 months. Additionally LAPD is able to receive analysis for DNA evidence within a 3 to 6 month time period. Here in Chicago DNA analysis conducted through the crime lab for the Illinois State police takes easily a year or more. Again that was the primary issue that LAPD identified as most troublesome. Their suggestion was for the Chicago Police Department to have its own independent crime lab to focus entirely on crimes with in Chicago. Secondly they recomended that civilian Criminalists should process crime scenes- NOT Police Officers. LAPD has civilian criminalists to process crime scenes. These criminalists are civilian employees and have backgrounds in biology, chemistry, and physics. Most of their panelist have advanced degrees and our actual scientist. Lastly LAPD was confused and surprised about the felony review process in cook county. Again when a homicide is committed in Los Angeles, detectives investigate the scene and a district attorney is brought on and assigned to the case from the beginning. The detectives stay in contact with the district attorney and advise them of the status of the case every month or so. Therefore when things develop and an offender is in custody, the district attorney who reviews the case already has ongoing knowledge as to what evidence has been collected and the status of the case. Obviously politics and money stopped both of these recommendations from being implemented by CPD. City Hall did not want to spend a large amount of money that it would take to properly run a crime lab within the department and also there were questions as to what would be done as far as disbanding or reassigning the current personnel assigned there. LAPD never mentioned anything about supervisors in the Detective division. That just isn’t true.
The hack bosses were tolerable back in the day when the OT was a flowin. We, the detectives, all knew they were there on phone calls and they knew they were gifted a more coveted position on the department. They signed the slips and left the dicks alone to do the grunt work. Now, that’s not the case. The department has resorted to what they do best, operating on the cheap with yes men in charge. The veteran detectives are not working their cases with the same enthusiasm and the new detectives are clueless. Many of the new detectives haven’t even gotten much street experience. The hack supervisors have resorted to burning out the workers and/or being petty bitches with everyone else. No detective experience, so not much they can say, right?
Let’s hear your cute and egotistical responses fellas...I know it stings, but it’s the straight fucking truth!
To the person who is talking about deferred comp being taken by the city. It is the city's money but they cannot touch it. It was tried in Ohio and the courts ruled against the municipality. That case was 2007 or so.
old retired guy
haha just like many district commanders , worked patrol for a year or two , not a friggin clue i sent lori a letter to call every exempt member from Captain ,XO, to Stuperintendent , make them take the last sergeant exam , those that score under 88% are dumped
Mayor Lightfoot , save our pension
Assign Patrolmen ,Sergeants and Lieutenants as Unit , District Commanders at their current pensionable salary , offer them a city car , adjustable hours to run district efficiently and a yearly bonus of $30,000 above their current salary .
You have alot of talent in District Patrol , Use it .
Get rid of the political hacks
Anonymous said...
~Snip!~
“Wait, you’re saying that our supervisors should have some experience in the field they are supervising? Naahh, they don’t need it....”
Wtf.
7/11/2019 04:45:00 AM
That means the city/department won't be free to wantonly screw
the usual coterie of clouted no-talent assholes, busters, chumps,
cowards, drunks, doofi, goofs, home-wreckers, idiots, louts, morons
rakes and whores* (Coll. "hoes,") into critical positions on CPD
for favors done and what-not...
Somebody with an upright walk and has principles/scruples
might fuck around and do the right thing when some politico,
captain of industry or media editorial board member steps
loudly on their dick/tit or has the contents of their panty
drawer laid out sunny-side-up and they need a "solid" to keep
the work-a-day churls whom they revile, from pointing and
laughing at their injured dick/tit/the contents of their
panty drawer laid skidmark-side up/still wriggling/buzzing...
"Can you guys keep this quiet?"
THAT... Is the REAL "Code of Silence" here in Chicago.
"Why do you Cops nurse so much
hatred toward your societal betters?"
Anonymous Anonymous said...
As usual, bullshit being posted in the comments. Staples was a detective and spent time in the D unit as a Sgt. and Lt. We can all agree that some gold stars have been promoted way beyond their abilities, but, don't embellish shit just to put it on the blog. If you don't like someone, that's understandable. But don't post bullshit just for spite.
7/11/2019 10:22:00 AM
She was never a detective, get your facts in order.
Got sent back home!!!!!!!!
Send in Inspector Clouseau! He will solve the case.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
To the person who is talking about deferred comp being taken by the city. It is the city's money but they cannot touch it. It was tried in Ohio and the courts ruled against the municipality. That case was 2007 or so.
old retired guy
7/11/2019 02:19:00 PM
What the fuck is wrong with you??? It is not the city’s money! It’s your money that you chose to invest in nationwide. Nationwide does this with private sector companies too. So is it Abbots, Walgreens, United Airlines money too? How is it not my money? Are 401ks not really the investors money either? The city didn’t put one penny in your deferred account.
To the Commentator in the know of the Lapd review. Here, All Homicides run through a Deputy in Felony Review who sticks with the case all the way through unless they get promoted. They usually assign a Line Supr to assist. It doesn’t matter if that person is off, because everything goes through the Deputy in charge of the case. All witnesses, your to do list, and arrest goes through that same Deputy. It’s been like that for years. So technically, It’s the same thing as in LA and NY.
As usual, bullshit being posted in the comments. Staples was a detective and spent time in the D unit as a Sgt. and Lt. We can all agree that some gold stars have been promoted way beyond their abilities, but, don't embellish shit just to put it on the blog. If you don't like someone, that's understandable. But don't post bullshit just for spite.
Yes, she spent her merit time there, mostly as a ghost pay roller. So you go on and continue to eat her bull shit and maybe it will rub off on you.
Homicide clearance rate 9%. Majority of the Homicide sergeants never work as a detective.
I gotta tell you bringing in detectives from another city so show us what to do was possibly the most humiliating thing that the ignoramus politicians and dumb ass bosses on this department have ever done. And that is saying something.
Anonymous said...
To the Commentator in the know of the Lapd review. Here, All Homicides run through a Deputy in Felony Review who sticks with the case all the way through unless they get promoted. They usually assign a Line Supr to assist. It doesn’t matter if that person is off, because everything goes through the Deputy in charge of the case. All witnesses, your to do list, and arrest goes through that same Deputy. It’s been like that for years. So technically, It’s the same thing as in LA and NY.
7/11/2019 06:59:00 PM
He would know that. If he had been a detective for while and not a clout hack.
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-fbi-investigating-sheriff-20190711-story.html
Detectives should investigate themselves!
Overheard one of the moron sergeants from area central say, “well I can just learn the job of detective as a supervisor anyway!”
The clearance rate is currently 51%. If you going to talk smack, at least get your facts straight.
Where is the public report documenting the results of LAPD work. It was paid for by public funds so where is the document. How about a RECONKING with that LAPD review Madam Mayor. Your all about transparency so where are the results. Are you going to bury it. Lets see what LAPD representatives say about the way your Department handles investigative matters.
If half of what is said above regarding the LAPD review is accurate then it confirms what we all know. Mismanagement reigns supreme. Instituted by the Midget Mayor and continuing under the Murder Mayor Lightfoot. When are you going to have a Reckoning about the LAPD Findings.
Lightfoot listen up, LAPD says, " They were shocked the second largest police department in United States did not have its own crime lab. Adding to that, they were also perplexed at the time frame in which detectives received evidence results from pending investigation. For example at LAPD, when latent prints are recovered at a crime scene and submitted for analysis, LAPD Detectives received the results of that analysis in approximately a month. Here in Chicago that same request takes between 18 and 24 months". Madam Murder Mayor this is an example of a CLUE as to why clearance rates are down. For a former Federal prosecutor you don't show us much. The only thing mediocrity will get you is the Mayor of Murder City.
Lori remember you were carping about low Homicide clearance rates. Again you are caught "talking out of your ass" about issues that you know jack. Lady if your "butt cheeks are moving, you're lying.
Transparency and Reckoning. Yeah right. Go tell it to the alligator in Humboldt Park lagoon.
When Cline was Superintendent he tried to bring back the CPD crime lab. He realized that the long wait times with the State Police Lab were a problem. He went so far as to submit a report to City Hall documenting why we needed our own lab again. Daley sent it back to him stating that to bring it back would be too expensive.
Hell, look at Lt OV from AC. He has more sexual beefs than investigations in his career. But he used to be a 189 guy, so obviously that qualifies him to be a Lt in the D unit.
This job literally has no clue, and they don’t eat one.
It’s not surprising they would bring in outside help, and then take the most glaringly obvious recommendations and shitcan them.
“Wait, you’re saying that our supervisors should have some experience in the field they are supervising? Naahh, they don’t need it....”
Wtf.
You are soooo right about Lt OV. The dude is dumber than a box of rocks and has no idea what the law is and how to charge a case. He is a part of the problem with CPD.
The singular most important thing that killed the effectiveness of the Detective Division. Witnesses were granted the same rights as arrestees. Actually had to tell them that they "didn't have to cooperate with the police if they didn't want to". That came about under Chief Maria Maher, who once retired, sold her handcuffs back to the uniform store as "never having been used". (In her defense, Phil Cline was the superintendent and I assume that Maher didn't make that decision on her own, because she NEVER made a decision in her career). In the old days, if you were a material witness to a homicide, shooting, rape.... you were brought into the area and fed, slept and bathed until your memory became clear. Sometimes that would happen in the first 24 hours... sometimes it took 96 hours. Back then, our homicide clearance rate was about 90%.
I'm a tech.... I'll teach you how to close calls.... P.S. It all BS....
Anonymous Anonymous said...
As a former violent crimes detective back in the day, I was promoted to Sgt, and try as I may to get back to the D unit, I never could. Who did? Morons that never were detectives, were merit promoted, and were Sgts in a district for less than 6 months. Same as it ever was.
7/11/2019 07:40:00 AM
Hey that happened to me too!!! Maybe we can start a club, there must be others. When I was in the DD in the early 1980s they put a clout sergeant in our unit who had never been a detective. He made life miserable for everyone. He didn't grasp or care how
investigative work was done. He had a big ego. He also made us ride with him and he would embarrass us wherever we went. Maybe you know whom I am speaking of.
Staples was NEVER a detective. She was brought in to the detective division as a sergeant at Area Four.
Just curious was Staples a merit detective, a merit Sgt and a merit Lt. Thought so.
Did you test for any promotion, are you high on the list. Sorry wait your turn there are a lot of merit people bumping ahead of you for that promotion. Merit, and connections trumps brains in the CPD. Promote the lazy, dumd and connected first that my friend is the Chicago Way in action. Not what you can prove you know but who you know or blow.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
That’s only common sense.
I’ve never understood how a career beat cop can become a “merit” Sgt, and then use that same phone call to become a Sgt in the Detective Division.
How can you guide a team of officers who are doing a job you have absolutely NO clue about? They should be able to turn to their Sgt for advice, but on far too many teams- their Sgt has absolutely no idea, because they’ve never done the job that they are supervising.
Hell, look at Lt OV from AC. He has more sexual beefs than investigations in his career. But he used to be a 189 guy, so obviously that qualifies him to be a Lt in the D unit.
This job literally has no clue, and they don’t eat one.
It’s not surprising they would bring in outside help, and then take the most glaringly obvious recommendations and shitcan them.
“Wait, you’re saying that our supervisors should have some experience in the field they are supervising? Naahh, they don’t need it....”
Wtf.
7/11/2019 04:45:00 AM
You nailed it! I couldn’t have said it better.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
That’s only common sense.
I’ve never understood how a career beat cop can become a “merit” Sgt, and then use that same phone call to become a Sgt in the Detective Division.
How can you guide a team of officers who are doing a job you have absolutely NO clue about? They should be able to turn to their Sgt for advice, but on far too many teams- their Sgt has absolutely no idea, because they’ve never done the job that they are supervising.
Hell, look at Lt OV from AC. He has more sexual beefs than investigations in his career. But he used to be a 189 guy, so obviously that qualifies him to be a Lt in the D unit.
This job literally has no clue, and they don’t eat one.
It’s not surprising they would bring in outside help, and then take the most glaringly obvious recommendations and shitcan them.
“Wait, you’re saying that our supervisors should have some experience in the field they are supervising? Naahh, they don’t need it....”
Wtf.
7/11/2019 04:45:00 AM
Hey, the Homicide clearance rate is 3% and Staples hasn’t figured out that majority of the supervisors in the D-unit were not det
I agree with you that Phat Phil destroyed CPD with his arrogant policies and he should of been fired when he was involved in the Marquette 10 investigation. He helped convict those charged in order to prevent himself from being charged and when called as a witness he invoked the 5th Amendment.
Joe Murphy was a great detective and as a sergeant and lieutenant in the Detective Division was responsible for many a bad guy going to jail. He had the misfortune of being an excellent commanding officer in Area 2 VC that the Superintendents would not make him a Commander because he was needed to prop up politically appointed Commanders who had no experience as a detective. Unfortunately the day he was promoted to the Commander of the Crime Lab he was in an accident that left him paralyzed.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Thank you Daley, and Phil Cline.,we lost the Detective Division with Cline patronage hacks, and after Phil, the un indicted coconspirator in the 010 District,
What also pissed off the LA elite was old Iron Sides himself, Murphy, the moron in charge of the Crime Lab.,a patrolman calling the shots, Little Herbie, and the LAPD also suggested chemists and civilians with degrees in biology, anthropology, molecular structure.
Not Ginger Rugauis neice or other political appointments.
7/11/2019 03:20:00 AM
I told those idiots that it would be a bad idea to put a nun in charge of a whorehouse. Now where's my 50,000 dollar consulting fee ????.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hell, look at Lt OV from AC. He has more sexual beefs than investigations in his career. But he used to be a 189 guy, so obviously that qualifies him to be a Lt in the D unit.
This job literally has no clue, and they don’t eat one.
It’s not surprising they would bring in outside help, and then take the most glaringly obvious recommendations and shitcan them.
“Wait, you’re saying that our supervisors should have some experience in the field they are supervising? Naahh, they don’t need it....”
Wtf.
You are soooo right about Lt OV. The dude is dumber than a box of rocks and has no idea what the law is and how to charge a case. He is a part of the problem with CPD.
7/11/2019 11:50:00 PM
He’s smarter than the other Lt., Joe P. “The Cancer!”
She was Miram Santos driver
Anonymous said...
Just curious was Staples a merit detective, a merit Sgt and a merit Lt. Thought so.
7/12/2019 05:59:00 AM
Again, Staples was never a detective, merit or otherwise.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Staples was NEVER a detective. She was brought in to the detective division as a sergeant at Area Four.
7/12/2019 03:22:00 AM
I remember her there as the VC lieutenant. Where was she as a sergeant??
Let’s hear your cute and egotistical responses fellas...I know it stings, but it’s the straight fucking truth!
7/11/2019 02:12:00 PM
The city and the police department would greatly benefit from a total outside review of the detective division, from personnel, to leadership, to qualifications, to policies procedures and laws that effect the investigations. Let the veteran detectives speak their hearts and minds in confidence as to the state of affairs. The police department is rife with clut, cronyism and nepotism and despite all of that has many great members who work their butts off and do an outstanding job. Imagine how much better things could be.But, this is not the type of "reform" the progressives want. They still want control and the power to get their people into top jobs. In their minds reform is suspending and firing more cops.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Anyone that has money in deferred comp better take it out before the city takes it out for you. Technically it is still the cities money and they have not paid it to you that is how the feds justify not collecting taxes on it. The city used it for their credit rating too. What does that tell you?
Absolutely false. You’re an idiot.
7/11/2019 07:38:00 AM
Yes, I thought the same thing for a few years, but now I know that my money is in a 457 tax plan and invested with public and private companies. The city has no claim on it. That theory was attempted in other areas and has been shot down by the courts and the law. I have since retired and transferred most of my money into private sources, but keep some in deferred comp in the fixed as it serves as a pretty secure bond fund . I say take most of your deferred out when you retire and go to Schwab or Fidelity.
Anonymous said...
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-fbi-investigating-sheriff-20190711-story.html
Detectives should investigate themselves!
7/11/2019 09:54:00 PM
Here becomes there!
This was orchestrated by Sean Malinowski at the University of Chicago Crime Lab. He is a grifter from LA, who came hear and ran part of the Department for Rahm. He went around Johnson and directed Commanders. He is with Pritzker.
Staples was merit lieutenant for sure. Don't know about sergeant. But she was the driver for some female politician as a p.o. Anyone recall who...was it Miriam Santos?
Anonymous said...
The singular most important thing that killed the effectiveness of the Detective Division. Witnesses were granted the same rights as arrestees. Actually had to tell them that they "didn't have to cooperate with the police if they didn't want to". That came about under Chief Maria Maher, who once retired, sold her handcuffs back to the uniform store as "never having been used". (In her defense, Phil Cline was the superintendent and I assume that Maher didn't make that decision on her own, because she NEVER made a decision in her career). In the old days, if you were a material witness to a homicide, shooting, rape.... you were brought into the area and fed, slept and bathed until your memory became clear. Sometimes that would happen in the first 24 hours... sometimes it took 96 hours. Back then, our homicide clearance rate was about 90%.
7/12/2019 12:21:00 AM
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Most accurate account of the demise of the D-Unit. When the witnesses knew they could leave, so did the ability to clear cases. Remember, the witnesses we just as bad as the criminals, they just didn’t get caught that day.
Anonymous said...
The singular most important thing that killed the effectiveness of the Detective Division. Witnesses were granted the same rights as arrestees. Actually had to tell them that they "didn't have to cooperate with the police if they didn't want to". That came about under Chief Maria Maher, who once retired, sold her handcuffs back to the uniform store as "never having been used". (In her defense, Phil Cline was the superintendent and I assume that Maher didn't make that decision on her own, because she NEVER made a decision in her career). In the old days, if you were a material witness to a homicide, shooting, rape.... you were brought into the area and fed, slept and bathed until your memory became clear. Sometimes that would happen in the first 24 hours... sometimes it took 96 hours. Back then, our homicide clearance rate was about 90%.
7/12/2019 12:21:00 AM
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Most accurate account of the demise of the D-Unit. When the witnesses knew they could leave, so did the ability to clear cases. Remember, the witnesses we just as bad as the criminals, they just didn’t get caught that day.
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there was a lawsuit in Area 5 (and I'm sure there have been others) where witnesses sued claiming they were not free to leave. The court agreed. Well, when a person is not free to leave, or when a reasonable person would feel they are not free to leave, then guess what they become? Arrestees. Who must be given Miranda, and when they are not given Miranda, anything they say is excluded. You talk about being a material witness to a homicide - ya, right - you're in cook county, pal. In a real county, or on the federal level I'm sure they'd have that all worked out - not here. And if you fed and bathed them until their memories came back - guess what again - you arrested them. I don't know how the whole 'material witness to a homicide' thing plays out but maybe it should be looked into. And I'm sure you never generated an arrest report with that charge. So you kidnapped them more or less.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Let’s hear your cute and egotistical responses fellas...I know it stings, but it’s the straight fucking truth!
7/11/2019 02:12:00 PM
The city and the police department would greatly benefit from a total outside review of the detective division, from personnel, to leadership, to qualifications, to policies procedures and laws that effect the investigations. Let the veteran detectives speak their hearts and minds in confidence as to the state of affairs. The police department is rife with clut, cronyism and nepotism and despite all of that has many great members who work their butts off and do an outstanding job. Imagine how much better things could be.But, this is not the type of "reform" the progressives want. They still want control and the power to get their people into top jobs. In their minds reform is suspending and firing more cops.
7/12/2019 10:36:00 AM
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we are here to support patrol - we are not meant to clear cases through magic
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
As usual, bullshit being posted in the comments. Staples was a detective and spent time in the D unit as a Sgt. and Lt. We can all agree that some gold stars have been promoted way beyond their abilities, but, don't embellish shit just to put it on the blog. If you don't like someone, that's understandable. But don't post bullshit just for spite.
7/11/2019 10:22:00 AM
She was never a detective, get your facts in order.
7/11/2019 04:54:00 PM
After her academy graduation, Ppo Staples was assigned to a Northside district, possibly 019 or 017, I don’t remember. Within 2 to 3 years she was reassigned to drive Miriam Santos, former city treasurer, after 2 years of that, Staples was assigned to 001 district bike team. She remained there for a year or two. With approximately 6 years on the job she was promoted to Sgt.. and was assigned to 011. She was a beat Sgt and a Tact sgt but both positions were short lived as she went upstairs to Area 4 as a Sgt. A meteoric rise from there to Chief Of Detectives. Fascinating!
Anonymous said...
The singular most important thing that killed the effectiveness of the Detective Division. Witnesses were granted the same rights as arrestees. Actually had to tell them that they "didn't have to cooperate with the police if they didn't want to". That came about under Chief Maria Maher, who once retired, sold her handcuffs back to the uniform store as "never having been used". (In her defense, Phil Cline was the superintendent and I assume that Maher didn't make that decision on her own, because she NEVER made a decision in her career). In the old days, if you were a material witness to a homicide, shooting, rape.... you were brought into the area and fed, slept and bathed until your memory became clear. Sometimes that would happen in the first 24 hours... sometimes it took 96 hours. Back then, our homicide clearance rate was about 90%.
7/12/2019 12:21:00 AM
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Most accurate account of the demise of the D-Unit. When the witnesses knew they could leave, so did the ability to clear cases. Remember, the witnesses we just as bad as the criminals, they just didn’t get caught that day.
7/12/2019 08:04:00 PM
There’s some truth in this but some bs as well. In the old days we grabbed anyone on the street we thought was a witness and brought them to the area. It wasn’t Cline or anyone in CPD who made the decision to reduce the time offenders could be held or force us to give witnesses these bs warnings and rights. This decision was the result of CPD being taken to court. The 48 hour rule and other nonsense was forced on the department and this is the main reason for the drop in clearance rates.
After her academy graduation, Ppo Staples was assigned to a Northside district, possibly 019 or 017, I don’t remember. Within 2 to 3 years she was reassigned to drive Miriam Santos, former city treasurer, after 2 years of that, Staples was assigned to 001 district bike team. She remained there for a year or two. With approximately 6 years on the job she was promoted to Sgt.. and was assigned to 011. She was a beat Sgt and a Tact sgt but both positions were short lived as she went upstairs to Area 4 as a Sgt. A meteoric rise from there to Chief Of Detectives. Fascinating!
Interesting. I was in the academy with Staples which means she is in her 28th year which, according to you, equates to her going from Sergeant to Chief in 22 years. So, your definition of a “meteoric rise” is far from meteoric. Now THAT is fascinating! You’re obviously a product of CPS who not only writes horribly, math is terribly difficult for you as well. You also sound like a stalker. Get a life.
Anonymous said...
As a former violent crimes detective back in the day, I was promoted to Sgt, and try as I may to get back to the D unit, I never could. Who did? Morons that never were detectives, were merit promoted, and were Sgts in a district for less than 6 months. Same as it ever was.
7/11/2019 07:40:00 AM
Now this is the dirty truth. Majority including the chief and Lt’s were never detectives. Back in the day, a patrolmen could easily name 5 sergeants they had confidence in. I can’t name one. Try it. It’s very difficult.
Now this is the dirty truth. Majority including the chief and Lt’s were never detectives. Back in the day, a patrolmen could easily name 5 sergeants they had confidence in. I can’t name one. Try it. It’s very difficult.
7/13/2019 09:38:00 PM
one of the major criticisms of our detective division is that there is no supervisor assigned to a homicide from start to finish. All these sergeants do is sign the reports, many of which they never read. The DD is and always has been a job in plain clothes for the clouted, not necessarily the knowledgeable. Uncle Terry was the chief of detectives and never was a detective. He was embarrassed more then once in depositions.
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