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- The number of arrests and criminal summonses handled by city cops last week plummeted compared to the same period in 2018 — and law enforcement sources warn it’s the “Pantaleo Effect.’’
Officer Daniel Pantaleo was fired by NYPD Commissioner James O’Neill on Aug. 19 over his role in the fatal takedown of Staten Island cigarette peddler Eric Garner, enraging police officers and their union leaders, who argue the cop was simply doing his job during an arrest.
Police Benevolent Association chief Patrick Lynch responded by angrily telling his members to “proceed with the utmost caution’’ when answering calls — and new statistics obtained by The Post on Monday suggest officers are heeding his warning.
Arrests dropped 27% between Aug. 19 — the day Pantaleo was fired — and Aug. 25 compared to the same period in 2018, with police making 3,508 busts compared to 4,827.
The number of criminal summonses issued fell nearly 29% over the same period, going from 1,655 to 1,181, the figures show.
Hopefully, they take it even further.
And anyone looking for the GoFundMe page for their fired officer, try this link.
And anyone looking for the GoFundMe page for their fired officer, try this link.
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
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Are they also not writing tickets?
Last time they had issues, they stopped writing tickets. The city Comptroller started freaking out, because the cash flow was not flowing.
Take some lessons? In case Groot is all you fear?
I’m surprised that this effect wasn’t seen in Chicago. We have the same shit going on here. I wonder how anyone gets anything done with no backing from Special Ed!
Unfortunately, I think this is by design.
THEY... need to destroy the institutions that used to regulate our society before THEY can replace it with their utopian vision.
I'm long weapons and ammunition.
And intel.
NYPD is a different animal than CPD altogether.
Though they are our brothers in arms, our cities are different, our problems are different, the way we think as locals is different, and I do take offense to the idea that we need to try to steal every idea from NYPD and implement it here. But I’m way off topic........
One thing the NYPD is insanely good at is sticking together. They come together for common causes that affect their members. And I wish we as a department were better at that. That would never happen here. Ever. Because some guys want to get to Taft. Some guys want to keep their spot in OCD. Some guys need that early car, or a management watch spot. Some guys are chasing a merit bump. It seems like here everyone has a reason why they can’t show solidarity, and NYPD just gets shit done. Out there, EVERYONE IN THE ROOM turns their back when their mayor passes. EVERYONE scales back arrests and tickets.
And I do tend to believe that a lot of that has to do with their union leadership. Their union speaks up for its troops, and isn’t afraid to go to bat publicly and vocally for the interests of its members. You know, like a goddamn union is SUPPOSED to do?? I read stories out of NY about stiff their union reps say, and I think to myself “well that must be fucken nice. Why cant our union get our voice out there?”
The more I think about it, I’m all for this Catanzara fellow taking the reins. I know he’s rough around the edges, and might not be the classically proper/right choice, but fuck it. His heart is in the right place, and he has no problem speaking up. It’s been far too long we remain unheard from, and our union plays behind closed doors. I want someone who represents us, and isn’t afraid to show it. And hopefully he’s smart enough to surround himself with people that can reel him in when necessary and guide him- but also let his passion come out at times. And though he would also need to surround himself with people who understand some of the politics of the game, I can guarantee he would be a force to be reckoned with in the contract negotiations.
Regardless, NYPD, you put a smile on my face knowing that such camaraderie is still possible. I’m just terribly sorry one of your brothers has to go through the ringer to achieve it.
Protect yourselves from "THEM!"
Give "THEM" the dry, flavorless, unsexy,
hands-off, detached, strictly by the numbers,
report then retreat, minimalist Policing
they so richly deserve.
Remember. YOU... ARE... THEIR avowed enemy
no matter what you do for "THEM!"
Even if you were to DIE in the line of duty
while POLICING "THEM," THEY, will NEVER BE
SATISFIED with YOU and what YOU do for "THEM!"
Police Like You Have No Friends.
Look.
Point & Laugh.
Leave.
Oh, and I love how in the article the department said in part of its statement “These dedicated officers practice precision policing — focusing on the offenders who commit crimes, not the accumulation of raw numbers.”
Oh really? Not the accumulation of raw numbers? Then can NYPD explain Compstat?
Where bosses look at strictly RAW NUMBERS and yell/berate people beard on raw number inadequacies?
Yeah. These stupid mother fucking demofuck assholes want more laws. Who the fuck ya think is going to impose their shit on the citizens?
That's how it's done! Keep up the good work. Only arrest those that absolutely have to be arrested. Stay strong, and don't give give them what they want, a piece of your hide. I still remember when they turned their backs on that lousy shit of a mayor. They have no respect for you, give them almost none back. Just what you have to, nothing more, nothing less.
If he didn't resist arrest he wouldn't be dead you have no right to resist arrest! Be taken into custody then make complaints and appeals.
Take the number of arrests and the number of busts right down to ZERO.
If that is what New Yorkers want, give it to them.
"No, don't come after me! They look like they're from outer space."
YOU GO NY!!!
Had he not resisted arrest, he would be alive today. It's horrible what the politicians in NYC have done to Officer Pantaleo for doing his job. Shameful what is going on in this country, pandering to a bunch of criminal enablers for votes.
President Trump please offer Officer Pantaleo a job in federal law enforcement. The libs will be hysterical and they'll protest. Fuck the libs.
For every action, there is an opposite, but equal, reaction.
Grammar school stuff.
To 12.14am—in NYC, what we call a Mover, Parker, ANOV, etc, they call a summons. Police in the entire NE portion of the USofA use that term.
My question: The NYPD supervisor was on the scene, why is she not being held accountable?
Look what is coming boys and girls: awaiting Gov. signature and awaiting implementation next year California POs can only shoot or use deadly force out of “ necessity”. Necessity will be determined after the fact by the prosecutor and judge.
Stay strong NYPD (all law enforcement) this too shall pass.
CPD does not stick together. Every time we should be using “caution” when responding to jobs...I hear people chasing cars...foot chases etc. That’s not using “caution” and the city knows we’re fractured and relies on it. Kudos to NYPD
8/29/2019 12:58:00 AM
Excellent post. NYPD does have REAL union representation.
Those numbers should be zeros across the board. Fuck these democratic run cities. These democrats hate the police , but they need the police when the “community” and it’s members get out of hand. I say do nothing and I mean nothing and make these politicians beg for police service.
The NYPD were following orders from the Mayor's office to crack down on the sale of loosies (individual cigarettes). Can't have any competition for the taxes to NYC on 15 bucks a pack cigs now can we?
To 8/29/2019 12:58:00 AM: Well said! I've been saying for years that CPD's union is so ineffective. Unless the members recognize it's potential power (led by strong, knowledgeable union leaders and backed and supported by the union members)the odds of accomplishing anything remain pretty slim.
The more I think about it, I’m all for this Catanzara fellow taking the reins. I know he’s rough around the edges, and might not be the classically proper/right choice, but fuck it. His heart is in the right place,
I think you may be right. Seems to be FOP is in bed with the city. They are like fake republicans, tell you anything to get elected, when in reality they are playing for the other team.
New York had a very strong Mayor In Rudy who supported the NYPD. The last mayor here that was supportive of the police was Byrne. That was long ago. That's where the NYPD gained a strong unified union. CPD has not had that backing and the FOP has slowly weakened. Look at Mayor Lori hates the police and FOP. She wants the scouts of America to police our city not the police who have an impossible dirty job. She just doesn't get it. Lori is no Rudy and therefore you need a strong leader at the FOP and we have not have one in years.
I would suggest for the members of the Chicago Police Department to be very cautious under this new administration in City Hall. If I was still on the job I would not do any "quality of life arrests", or discretionary actions and only make arrests based on a signed complaint of a citizen. Then, call for a supervisor and many assist cars. Of course, all of this changes if a life is in danger. The NYPD has their Emergency Services Unit ( SWAT) on the street at all times and their orders is to call for the ESU whenever an arrest is to be made and resistance is possible. Watch yourself. If something goes south in your arrest, and it becomes a media frenzy, no one will be in your corner.
I blame the tactical teams, mission teams, and 06 teams for the lack of unified cohesion in the department. Their supervisors brain wash these kids so well that they would probably jump off a high bridge if told to do it. They constitute a wedge between them and uniformed officers in each district creating disharmony. It’s the old divide and conquer strategy being employed by the department’s phony bosses in an effort to do the mayor’s bidding.
Baltimore officers did the same thing a few years back when their ASA indicted the six officers in the Freddie Gray case. The police discontinued proactive policing permanently.
The media are so adept at twisting things, it seems that any arrest of the right demographic is a potential problem. That's what this is about. Blacks are equal to whites. They commit the same amount of crime. So stop arresting them more. Plus, there are a lot of social and economic benefits that can be had from all of this perceptual turmoil. So it's a win/win situation for them.
@1246am what do you mean!? 98% of the department is fetal and does absolutely nothing on a daily basis haha and the small percent that work, they aren’t making a monumental difference anyways.
The problem is they always have us by the balls because of who we are. I'm not talking about not having the right to strike. We can't strike even if we could because of who we are. Yes we can take breaks and slow down significantly but deep down we still answer the call when needed. It's embedded in most of us
If I was a copper in new york and had to listen to that softball mayor they have there I wouldn't be doing anything either. Live tonight at 1800 hours will be " the groot " giving her doomsday crybaby speech. If you want to point the finger at someone, point it at your political party and all of it's goons who have burned this place down to the ground in the last 25 years. I'm proud to be a chicago police officer and we are all still " chicago's finest " no matter what anyone says.
See CPD this is how it is done. But the everyman for himself CPD would never react like this would they. No wonder the are using you as a door mat at their leisure. All for one and none for all is the CPD Chicago Way.
Hey fool no one HAS to be arrested. Since they won't be held or charged no matter what why arrest them. Get a clue from the NYPD.
Your right about NYC and Chicago being different. NYC way bigger than Chicago with a diverse population 3 or 4 times the size of Chicago. That just means more gangs, more poverty, more illegals, way more potential victims and criminals BUT LESS SHOOTINGS LESS KILLINGS LESS CRIME PER CAPITA. The question now is why. All you have to do is look at the elephant in room called MERIT AND CHICAGO WAY. Boom there you go about is all merit and see what happens.
Still cannot understand why all of you are allowing the FOP to steal your money every check. Recent law says they can be denied from taking money directly from your check. Suggest you put the FOP on notice by stopping their theft every check. St paying for their stud
Stupity and do nothing mentality. JVD would have beaten the rap if FOP had supplied a competent lawyer.
Nypd sticks together and responds appropriately when they get abused.
Maybe someday the cpd will smarten up and cutback on all tickets arrests etc until the city pays attention
What will it take to wake us up
We donated $50 to the poor police officer ~ too bad the Chicago FOP doesn't have a great union president like the NYPD does....
Stick it to them before they stick it to you.
In Jugghead We Trust.
Laborious Day Weekend, the Hard-Chargers will be charging, the Tactile Teams will be tacking, CAPS is on 3 days of napping.
We have to maintain that Big Johnson’s Gun Toting Community Member Dashboard.
Ain’t nobody here got time for No Confidence in Jugghead SpecialEd or Grooth LightLoafers.
Lock’m all up and overload the County, go on and spoil the Holiday Court judges and ASA’s early duck, getaway weekend.
Or do nuffins - which is always acceptable and have that judge come all the way down to 26/Cal for just two cases citywide, it’s not likely they’re swiping in and out anyway.
Save the Budget - Stay Fetal
It's all about the will to do it. There are 9,000+ men and women in Blue. Loose 2,500 (just picked that number out of the air) that like their spot and won't support any job action. The rest of us combined is a big number provided there is unity of force. Without that will to unify we will "hang alone". That's our situation right now.
FOP leadership is shameful and non existent. Labor Day weekend is upon us. Let the self cleaning oven do its magic. Our fate and that of the City is sealed until we unite and have real leadership and unity of action. In the meantime keep the line to the gallows moving.
Recently retired NYPD Sgt. here. We have the same issues as CPD. Pat Lynch for the PBA is alright. He should speak up more however. The guy that makes all the noise is my union, the SBA and our president Ed Mullins. Every other union wishes he was their president. He’s the guy with balls as big as church bells. That said, we do have an issue with sticking together when it comes to job action. The reason why arrest activity is going down even more is because of self preservation. Nobody wants to be the next PO Pantaleo. Also, since everyone has cameras on them and speaking about “numbers” is illegal, nobody can be held accountable for less “activity”. On the news here, city council wants to pass a bill that we record the race and ethnicity of all drivers stopped. Woe be unto the poor officer that stops too many in the protected class. Car stops will also plummet. I promise that. Anyways CPD, god bless you guys and stay safe. More importantly, stay “fetal”.
Do that and you might see anpension.
I grew up in the Big Apple in the 70's and have the utmost respect for NYPD. I can't blame them in the slightest for this.
My mom lives in NYC; I wonder what she'll make of this. I hope she's going to be okay.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Still cannot understand why all of you are allowing the FOP to steal your money every check. Recent law says they can be denied from taking money directly from your check. Suggest you put the FOP on notice by stopping their theft every check. St paying for their stud
Stupity and do nothing mentality. JVD would have beaten the rap if FOP had supplied a competent lawyer.
8/29/2019 03:40:00 PM
When you quit paying your dues to the FOP, was the process to stop the withdrawal easy?
Recently retired NYPD Sgt. here. We have the same issues as CPD. Pat Lynch for the PBA is alright. He should speak up more however. The guy that makes all the noise is my union, the SBA and our president Ed Mullins. Every other union wishes he was their president. He’s the guy with balls as big as church bells. That said, we do have an issue with sticking together when it comes to job action. The reason why arrest activity is going down even more is because of self preservation. Nobody wants to be the next PO Pantaleo. Also, since everyone has cameras on them and speaking about “numbers” is illegal, nobody can be held accountable for less “activity”. On the news here, city council wants to pass a bill that we record the race and ethnicity of all drivers stopped. Woe be unto the poor officer that stops too many in the protected class. Car stops will also plummet. I promise that. Anyways CPD, god bless you guys and stay safe. More importantly, stay “fetal”.
Do that and you might see a pension.
About 14 years ago a Illinois State Senator by the name of Barack Hussein Obama proposed a bill that would require all law enforcement officers in the state of Illinois to record a number from data points from traffic stops in order to determine if racial profiling was occurring in this state. This freshman state senator claimed he was a victim of driving while black numerous times in his life as well as the constituents he represented. The data points gathered, such as perceived race of driver prior to stop, actual race of driver, violation observed, time, date, location etc., are to be recorded on a card or on a sticker placed on back of citation. All of these cards and stickers are sent to the state to be tabulated, studied, scrutinized every which way to uncover rogue officers victimizing citizens with racial profiling. The social justice warriors throughout Illinois were frothing at the mouth in anticipation of uncovering the rampant racial profiling that was occurring throughout the state. But after 14 years of tabulating and analysis, not one instance of racial profiling was discovered. I have burnt out numerous pens filling out and approving Traffic Stop Statistical Study cards over the years and to what end? The professional officers of the NYPD have nothing to fear. Just keep doing what you have always done, if you see a traffic violator pull them over.
Has anyone ever been fired,sued or prosecuted for doing nothing? Asking for a friend.
Too bad Chicago refuses to stick together. I'm directing this at the dress down in jeans boys.
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