Overtime
Some readers were questioning the statements made by ourselves and commentators that swiping in AND out meant overtime could be pensionable.
Some people were rather mean about it and hurt our feelings. :::boo hoo::: Some people don't know how to do research and fail to remember past history. From May of 2009 in the LA Times:
Some people were rather mean about it and hurt our feelings. :::boo hoo::: Some people don't know how to do research and fail to remember past history. From May of 2009 in the LA Times:
- Who knew the badge, the holster and the iconic dark blue threads worn by Los Angeles police officers could make punching the clock so complicated?
A federal judge ruled this week that Los Angeles Police Department officers should be paid for the time it takes them to put on and take off their uniforms and safety equipment, a decision that could cost the city millions of dollars in back pay and higher salaries.
In a 39-page ruling, U.S. District Court Judge Gary Feess found that the several minutes it takes an officer to dress for duty is a vital part of the job because “police uniforms convey and legitimize officers’ authority, increase officer safety, and help deter crime.”
The dress time, which is generally thought to be between five and 15 minutes on each end of a shift, Feess decided, falls under the compensation rules of the U.S. Fair Labor Standards Act, a long-standing law that requires employers to pay their employees for all hours worked.
We have no idea if this ruling stood up to any appeals or if it was codified in an LAPD Contract, but it's out there - your swipe time is when your shift begins and preparations for work are covered by FLSA rules. At checkoff, you are required (required!) to be in full uniform. But when you swipe out, you ought to be in your civilian attire - again, FLSA rules.
As to the pension-ability of the overtime, that would be an interesting court battle. Any LAPD readers?
As to the pension-ability of the overtime, that would be an interesting court battle. Any LAPD readers?
Labels: contract stuff, department issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
86 Comments:
O.K. Since you got this far, go for the attorney
"travel pay" gambit. Like if we meet at an independent,
neutral, 3rd party location to discuss business, the maggot
(er. Man of Letters) wants to be paid travel time to & from
the meeting.
Maybe you can get paid for the morning shower & commute.
I once encountered a "Northern hillbilly" who worked for a
U.S. Govt. agency. His line of thought was that "since it
builds up on Govt. time, he should use Govt. time to shit
and piss his human waste away." He never went to the
restroom on his lunch or break times. (This is the insidious
corruption mentality inside "The Swamp" ladies and
gentlemen). This is the low-class type of individuals that
Uncle Sam hires. (Fuck America---you're cheating me out
of my taxes!)
Yeah those FOP attorneys strike fear in the city of chicago.
The city can do whatever they want. They have the judges and everybody involved (including the FOP) in their pocket.
My department works 12’s(6:30-6:30). Roll call is at 6:30 sharp and does not last more than 5 minutes. Our officers aren’t paid for the 20 mins of their time it takes to put on gear, sign out car keys, a taser, less than lethal shotties, etc etc. We start heading into the station for the end of shift at about 6:20. Aren’t allowed to hit the locker room till 6:25. When I read some of the comments here about officers arriving for roll call 20 minutes late I can’t imagine a supervisor being OK with it. Here, those officers would be fired within a week and supervisors would not be supervisors.
SCC, please check out the Illinois Labor Relations Board ruling on donning and doffing (that is putting the uniform on and off). If my memory serves me correctly the ILRB ruled that it is not compensable. Don’t have the case cite handy at the moment.
How about a paid lunch?
Who will be promoted when all ranking spots are occupied by pretty females? I should start working out and get hair restore soon so I might stand a chance at a promotion.
I agree that this makes sense for uniformed officers. So how does that work for plain clothes officers? Do they have to punch in and then change from the clothes they arrived in to another set of street clothes? Just curious.
Canine gets the extra time to care for the dog, on duty. It should apply to everyone if they want us to punch the clock.
Our pensions ARE funded dangerously low.
If anyone really cared why that is....countless politicians should be jailed.
It’s a looooong story.
Chicago is not alone with public employee pensions under severe stress. It’s nationwide.
(Chicago politicians have taken it to ridiculous lows and made diversion of funding a art form.)
Having said that.
Here comes labor suggesting another benefit.....pensionable OT.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
My department works 12’s(6:30-6:30). Roll call is at 6:30 sharp and does not last more than 5 minutes. Our officers aren’t paid for the 20 mins of their time it takes to put on gear, sign out car keys, a taser, less than lethal shotties, etc etc. We start heading into the station for the end of shift at about 6:20. Aren’t allowed to hit the locker room till 6:25. When I read some of the comments here about officers arriving for roll call 20 minutes late I can’t imagine a supervisor being OK with it. Here, those officers would be fired within a week and supervisors would not be supervisors.
8/12/2019 12:33:00 AM
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I am now retired CPD here. I respect and admire you and your department. When I got on the job over 25 yrs ago, that is exactly how I thought it would be. Well, it wasn't. CPD is lax in many respects, which is sad. They are strict only when they want to be. Some of the supervisors are your best friend, until you fuck up, then they don't know you. When I was still a recruit, I said to my dad, "well, I better be top notched now, since I'll be on the street with professionals". So, my dad, who is a retired CPD sergeant, "Calm down and don't let that bother you. Just wait until you see some of the people you work with". I'm not sure how they even got on the job". Truer words were never spoken. Thank you for your comment, sir. Stay safe!
Anonymous said...
How about a paid lunch?
8/12/2019 12:40:00 AM
The reason it is not paid is so you can eat undisturbed. If you're on the clock, you are available for assignment.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I agree that this makes sense for uniformed officers. So how does that work for plain clothes officers? Do they have to punch in and then change from the clothes they arrived in to another set of street clothes? Just curious.
8/12/2019 01:36:00 AM
How long does it take to turn your hat around?
My department works 12’s(6:30-6:30). Roll call is at 6:30 sharp and does not last more than 5 minutes. Our officers aren’t paid for the 20 mins of their time it takes to put on gear, sign out car keys, a taser, less than lethal shotties, etc etc. We start heading into the station for the end of shift at about 6:20. Aren’t allowed to hit the locker room till 6:25. When I read some of the comments here about officers arriving for roll call 20 minutes late I can’t imagine a supervisor being OK with it. Here, those officers would be fired within a week and supervisors would not be supervisors.
Wow, that sounds like a real police department. To bad I work for Cpd where lots of things dont't make much sense. Do you guys also deal with the ghetto savages too or do you spend time posting dance videos on facebook with yore supervisors.
Anonymous said...
Who will be promoted when all ranking spots are occupied by pretty females? I should start working out and get hair restore soon so I might stand a chance at a promotion.
8/12/2019 01:07:00 AM
A lot of female officers can kick your ass.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I agree that this makes sense for uniformed officers. So how does that work for plain clothes officers? Do they have to punch in and then change from the clothes they arrived in to another set of street clothes? Just curious.
8/12/2019 01:36:00 AM
Well I’ll guess that they sign out a radio and a car, and it takes a little time to slather their mane with hairjell, chomp off a bit of chew, and turn the baseball cap backwards, so it would apply to tact, gangs, and 06 cars too.
Anonymous said...
My department works 12’s(6:30-6:30). Roll call is at 6:30 sharp and does not last more than 5 minutes. Our officers aren’t paid for the 20 mins of their time it takes to put on gear, sign out car keys, a taser, less than lethal shotties, etc etc. We start heading into the station for the end of shift at about 6:20. Aren’t allowed to hit the locker room till 6:25. When I read some of the comments here about officers arriving for roll call 20 minutes late I can’t imagine a supervisor being OK with it. Here, those officers would be fired within a week and supervisors would not be supervisors.
8/12/2019 12:33:00 AM
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Well it’s not like that for everyone. When I was on the job it wasn’t like that for everyone showing up late.
It was mostly the ones that think they can do what they want because bosses are afraid of a complaint to the EEOC
So glad LEOs get time for dress. This job is so demanding. I'd rather pay LEO's the dress up/dress down time than not.
Complainers: remember this everytime you stroll to the cafe or barista, or socialize on the clock.
God bless and protect our blue all day, everyday.
Well, I believe overtime is pensionable for teachers, so why not us?
Screw putting on and off the uniform, half the guys wear it to and from work. I want our OT to be pensionable. If we are becoming hourly employees, then OT IS pensionable. Swipe in and out makes us hourly and not salaried employees. There are many instances we end up with forced OT to do paper, sit on an arrestss. Make me stay, make you pay. And oay me when I retire too!!!
I can't speak for the LAPD, but I can give you a Federal perspective. Specific types of overtime are included in determining your 'high-3" for retirement calculations. Premium pay such as standby time, and administratively uncontrollable or mandatory overtime, which is paid to certain law enforcement officers. It certainly sounds to me that what you're describing is 'mandatory' overtime, and thus should be included in pension calculations. This is not FBI-specific. This covers ALL FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT position:
Border Patrol Agents
Drug Enforcement Administration Special Agents
FBI Special Agents
Federal Air Marshals
Immigration Enforcement Agents
Detention/Deportation Officers
U.S. Marshals
U.S. Park Rangers
U.S. Secret Service Special Agents
Air Traffic Controllers
Bureau of Prisons Correction Institute Staff
Customs and Border Protection Officers
U.S. Park Police
U.S. Capitol Police
U.S. Supreme Court Police
Anonymous said...
My department works 12’s(6:30-6:30). Roll call is at 6:30 sharp and does not last more than 5 minutes. Our officers aren’t paid for the 20 mins of their time it takes to put on gear, sign out car keys, a taser, less than lethal shotties, etc etc. We start heading into the station for the end of shift at about 6:20. Aren’t allowed to hit the locker room till 6:25. When I read some of the comments here about officers arriving for roll call 20 minutes late I can’t imagine a supervisor being OK with it. Here, those officers would be fired within a week and supervisors would not be supervisors.
8/12/2019 12:33:00 AM
Yeah well here supervisors lead by example. If two Sgt’s are supposed to be at roll call, only one shows up and the other comes in a few hours late so he can let the other Sgt go home early. Sometimes the Lt never shows up. Chicago is the swamp.
I would love the chance to showcase all my pretty outfits while swiping out.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Way, way back, when I actually worked for a living, we would punch in then go up to the locker room and change into work clothes.
We would go up to the locker room and change clothes, then get in line to punch out. We would only be paid from 07:00 to 3:30.
The biggest issues were when we went up to the locker room and when we came down. Forget about overtime!
Anonymous said...
My department works 12’s(6:30-6:30). Roll call is at 6:30 sharp and does not last more than 5 minutes. Our officers aren’t paid for the 20 mins of their time it takes to put on gear, sign out car keys, a taser, less than lethal shotties, etc etc. We start heading into the station for the end of shift at about 6:20. Aren’t allowed to hit the locker room till 6:25. When I read some of the comments here about officers arriving for roll call 20 minutes late I can’t imagine a supervisor being OK with it. Here, those officers would be fired within a week and supervisors would not be supervisors.
So, how is it working for Naperville where a P.O. would write his or her own partner or supervisor a ticket while off-duty? Aren’t allowed to hit the locker room? Do you stand at attention and shit your pants if a dump is brewing?
Off topic: could the goofy desk sgts in 005, send their guns to homan square every other day, coming down there with over 100 guns all at one time is ridiculous.
The city isn’t going to pay your current pension so why bother to add the overtime!
A police vest is still worn and some wear it under the civilian dress. The weapon, cuffs and mace, asp worn on the belt still need to be put on. Also some civilian dress require business dress, so that in essence is a uniform that is put on in the area or district.
CPD at a minimum 25% of police officers show up late for roll call , Lt/WC starts roll call , no inspection 10 minutes late and police officers are still late.
Now take a look at CAPS Officers maybe 1 out of the 6 or 9 assigned arrive ten minutes late , the others are an hour late , work , they do very little , no enforcement , no tickets (parking or movers) no ISR , blue cards ANOV , and No radio assignments . Biggest waste of police manpower . Plus IG/COPA CAPS does not work a full tour , uniforms ,grooming standards do not apply .
After spending 40 years on this job and working in a specialized unit for most of that time I found that most cops get to work on time. As I became a Sergeant I realized that many people have an assortment of reasons for being late like my husband or wife works a different watch and was late so I had no babysitter etc. Cops find it real hard to stay an entire watch and 1 particular thing that eerkedme most was the quote" it's my Friday" can I duck early. Try working an assembly line and see what happens when you dont pull your weight. Time to get with the program.And no I was not a prick supervisor, if you needed something I was there for my guys and gals. Stay safe
SSC HOW About all the overtime that the clout who are in specialized units steal
Meet the requirements of the job. Make the Administration pay for all of your time. They will be looking to cut corners and save money on our backs. You want for me to work overtime - pay me. City is playing hardball with blue shirts. Watch the HQ's and Special Units clout babies and the District support staff. These will be the money whores. Routinely working only maybe 5-6 hours per shift and getting paid for 8 hours. That's routinely called theft of services. Let see which white shirts and the clout babies are exempted from Lori's money saving con.
The Murder Mayor is so concerned about saving money to look good before she announces her crushing and punishing tax hikes (up to $1B) on its citizens. No mention of the pig mayors before her like the Daley's and Rahm the Midget who squandered hundreds of millions of tax payer dollars. Now some how we gotta fix it. Pay Chicago pay. It's your patriotic and responsible duty to pay for the Democratic Socialist programs and the thievery of past mayors. The Machine thanks the voting public for your continued support of our mayors. We appreciate it (the fools that you are).
This would require our FOP not to be incompetent, spineless, clown like, do nothings.
Unfortunately swiping is an more of an attendance monitor and overrides to the system are permitted.
Pensions are calculated on contractural salary not all earned income.
The inclusion of duty availability was a negotiated amendment, like many current benefits it can and could likely be negotiated out.
It’s quite an arcane payroll system, if it were simple the city can’t cheat.
Who trusts the City Treasurers pay those nickels and dimes, I’m sure there’s programs that figures out the amounts but if you were ever shorted for months on a Step Increase (I was, twice) you have to wonder what they are real up to. Eventually I was back paid.
Surely the PABF keeps an eye on things. We hope.
Any pension contributions for benefits like uniform and overtime, including details and special employment means the City would have to meet their end as well. They don’t want to even contribute the required current amounts as it is.
The City, now under community resource Groot’oPolooza is crying the age old Shortshanks poor-mouth palaver.
Won’t happen in the next 3.5 years. GrootFoot is looking to gets not gibs a dime to/for polices’ resources.
Oh well, should have elected a proven fiscal reformer and intelligent manager Paul Vallas.
As for dressing prep time, does roll call ever start on the hour, checkoff ever on the half hour?
What if I come the work dressed (because there are no lockers) am I excluded from that pay bump ?
What if I work inside, then it’s becomes a where’s mines clause.
It will only apply to the everyday grunts of patrol. Sh*t never runs uphill. Lightfoot could say whatever she wants in a letter. It doesn’t mean sh*t to bosses, favorites, units etc.
That “Northern Hillbilly” has it all figured out sir.
As they say, “never do for free what you can get paid to do.”
I don’t shit for free either, why should I when I can make money doing it?
Shit on their time, not yours.
So federal law says we should be paid for putting on and taking off uniforms and equipment, and that we should be able to live where we want.
Yet here in Shitcago, in Ill-annoy...?
Boy, aren't we lucky.
Retired now. If this thing wins, they owe my about a millions bucks!
Mayor lightfoot also needs to be paid while changing out/in her oversized muppet pant suit.
Anonymous said...
Yeah those FOP attorneys strike fear in the city of chicago.
The city can do whatever they want. They have the judges and everybody involved (including the FOP) in their pocket.
8/12/2019 12:23:00 AM
Not to mention the mayor open says what she feels about the FOP... I 100% believe she is right for saying what she said. Can anyone tell me, when was the last time (year, common era) the FOP saved anyone’s ass. I am talking a legitimate blue shirt- no connection juiced types
There many exceptions and different rule for public sector vs. private sector employees under the FLSA, especially when it comes down to overtime, hours worked and work periods. I am not an expert by any stretch, and only a lawyer can untangle this. Different rules for supervisors. And, if detectives and tact officers do not wear a uniform, then they also might have different rules for pay.
The court ruling is no longer "out there," as you say. It was reversed.
Majority of CA agencies get a 30 to 45 minutes at the end of our shifts to tag our videos, complete paperwork, and get chenged anything over our normal shift is paid at time and a half. So if you work the standard 10 hour shift ex.. 0600 to 1600... youll check off round 1515 hours in full uniform. It's been this way for awhile.
Many departments the briefing doesn’t start until 15-20 minutes after start time. But you have to be at work at your start time. Can’t roll in at 06:20 dressed from home. Dress time is allowed at work only. End of shift, you get to come in early for that same decided time (15 or 20), to doff. Look upl ruling on NASA astronauts they fought this and won federally. Easy win for your union, surprised you don’t have it in contract like other pd’s.
https://courts.illinois.gov/R23_Orders/AppellateCourt/2012/4thDistrict/4120258_R23.pdf
Anonymous said...
My department works 12’s(6:30-6:30). Roll call is at 6:30 sharp and does not last more than 5 minutes. Our officers aren’t paid for the 20 mins of their time it takes to put on gear, sign out car keys, a taser, less than lethal shotties, etc etc. We start heading into the station for the end of shift at about 6:20. Aren’t allowed to hit the locker room till 6:25. When I read some of the comments here about officers arriving for roll call 20 minutes late I can’t imagine a supervisor being OK with it. Here, those officers would be fired within a week and supervisors would not be supervisors.
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Our roll calls last a while because there’s shitloads of assholes getting shot and they need to inform us for officer safety.
Retired now. If this thing wins, they owe my about a millions bucks!
8/12/2019 11:37:00 AM
And billions of pesos in retro for the next zillion contracts :(
Anonymous Anonymous said...
SSC HOW About all the overtime that the clout who are in specialized units steal
8/12/2019 10:06:00 AM
You mean like swat? They tried the same shit to get paid for driving home. They ended up on 3 rotating watches and rotating day off groups. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you.
Last year, police officers began swiping in at the beginning of their shifts. On Sept. 30, the rank-and-file will finally move to a “second swipe” at the end of their shifts, according to Police Department spokesman Anthony Guglielmi.
Not to mention the mayor open says what she feels about the FOP... I 100% believe she is right for saying what she said. Can anyone tell me, when was the last time (year, common era) the FOP saved anyone’s ass. I am talking a legitimate blue shirt- no connection juiced types
8/12/2019 12:13:00 PM
She accomplished her purpose, which is to turn police officers against the FOP Lodge #7. You took the bait. Do not be an idiot for LL. And, many things are accomplished by FOP Lodge #7, but you must read the monthly publication and attend union meetings to learn of them. LL will never tell you of them.
Anonymous said...
Canine gets the extra time to care for the dog, on duty. It should apply to everyone if they want us to punch the clock.
8/12/2019 04:33:00 AM
You’re a special kind of stupid, ain’t ya?
A lot more goes in to caring for those dogs and preparing them and their equipment for duty than what it takes you to put on your uniform. Plus the handlers take their canines home with them and care for them around the clock… INCLUDING RDOS & FURLOS. The dogs don’t just mysteriously disappear when the handlers are off duty. These are just a couple reasons why the courts have decided that canine handler’s are allowed time during their tours to take care of their canine partners. Yes, THE COURTS have ruled and awarded what you THINK you know what you’re talking about. Oh yeah, canine officers also have to put on the same uniform and accessories that other officers do. So whatever argument you’re trying to make is simply asinine.
I'll take whatever they want to give me; lol. However, compared to manual labor jobs, we have it made, and despite the relentless bombs the Dems throw at us, this job still beats being on an assembly line! Now, wouldn't be great if our Union Robots would lob some of those bombs back at the thieves that run this city?
Scc tip in trib Federal Judge rules multiple lawsuits against Sheriff can go forward for indecent exposures against female staff. Here is the kicker, the judge ruled that pizza was an incentive to get more inmates involved in the assaults...unbelievable, Dart is now claiming he never authorized the pizza parties and staff did it without his knowledge. This goof needs to be held accountable for his lies. I believe you were the first to break pizza gate a few years ago. Please do a post cause Dart is trying to scapegoat his staff.
“I agree that this makes sense for uniformed officers. So how does that work for plain clothes officers? Do they have to punch in and then change from the clothes they arrived in to another set of street clothes? Just curious.”
Plain clothes officers don’t wear the clothes they wear in every day life. They still have a set of clothes that put on for work. You don’t want to be walking around in some of these areas, apartments and lots that are all roach and rat infested, needles and dope baggies everywhere, and then bring those shoes/clothes home and sit on your couch. Plus they still have the equipment, belt, vest , all the goodies, so it takes time.
In regards to:
https://courts.illinois.gov/R23_Orders/AppellateCourt/2012/4thDistrict/4120258_R23.pdf
Right on the upper left of that case, it states:
NOTICE
This order was filed under Supreme
Court Rule 23 and may not be cited as
precedent by any party except in the
limited circumstances allowed under
Rule 23(e)(1).
As i read this I think back 30 years ago when i came on the job. No one was late, in fact guys showed up early and no one retired unless they usually had 35 plus years ( I know max out time was 33 years). I never wanted a day off, but now I can’t wait to leave but I came on very young. I worked with guys who were on the Chicago Park District Police. What shame what happened to this job.
OT just read what CWB called a "tragic story" about a man gravely wounded by DUI driver. hardly a tragic story since the wounded man was just releases for his own fatal DUI crash which killed one and sent two others to hospital. I call it Good Karma not tradgey. Hope the POS is suffering.
from theexpiredmeter.com
http://theexpiredmeter.com/2019/08/the-drivers-side-news-from-the-motorists-perspective-997/#more-21869
After 51 Shot, 5 Killed In Weekend Violence (Hey Jackass), Lightfoot Should Shut Up, Stop Tweeting Nonsense, And Do Something About Violence – Crain’s Chicago Business
Attorney General Slams ‘Social Justice’ Fake Prosecutors Like Kim Foxx As Soft On Crime, With Zero Concern For Victims – The Hill
We are astronauts
Anonymous said...
Off topic: could the goofy desk sgts in 005, send their guns to homan square every other day, coming down there with over 100 guns all at one time is ridiculous.
8/12/2019 09:00:00 AM
Why don't you man up & call 005 yourself!
How obnoxious when someone chimes in, "you know, in the private sector, they don't..."
Yeah yeah yeah. Almost as onerous as that guy who always says, "be careful what you wish for."
"Feck off" to both.
What we do in a given day is in no way comparable to "what they do in the private sector."
So don't even start with that shit, please.
How about this: promotions in the "private sector" are more legit than the majority of promotions on this job. How about we start there?
The only absenteeism I care about is the absence of city contributions to my pension I likely won't be getting a fair shake on by the time I can collect, the absence of teacher contributions to theirs, and the lack of cost of living adjustments while my property taxes go up nearly 50%.
Anonymous said...
Who will be promoted when all ranking spots are occupied by pretty females? I should start working out and get hair restore soon so I might stand a chance at a promotion.
8/12/2019 01:07:00 AM
A lot of female officers can kick your ass.
Wake up. Your dreaming. You can’t possibly believe that. Too many TV police shows
WTF. Judge demanded CPD hire unqualified people for the job.
Then Quota Sergeant , Lieutenant. Courts ruled reverse discrimination.
So mumbles mayor shortshank creates merit political hacks promotional system , he then could promote his dumb friends white , black ,hispanic
That is what happened to police arriving early , wearing proper uniform , following grooming standards .
Lemmer will have a field day once clocking out starts
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Last year, police officers began swiping in at the beginning of their shifts. On Sept. 30, the rank-and-file will finally move to a “second swipe” at the end of their shifts, according to Police Department spokesman Anthony Guglielmi.
8/12/2019 04:52:00 PM
rank and file
noun
the ordinary members of an organization as opposed to its leaders.
So, there you have it straight from Google-me. He says 'rank-and-file"; her memo says ALL city employees. So. Google-me, which is it? Can I expect to see you, my Commander and the Tact Lt. standing at the clock, or is it going to only be watch Lt's and below? Or something else.....???
This is kind of interesting....
This quote is from the City's website, where the mayor is complaining about overt absenteeism.
"As part of the Administration’s overall strategy to improve service efficiency and help ensure the City is delivering high quality services across its operations, absenteeism issues are being addressed head on, and the City is seeing results. Specifically, in 2015, the City tracked over 180,000 lost service hours due to employee overt absenteeism, meaning hours an employee was scheduled to work, but did not for unscheduled reasons. This type of absenteeism requires the City to shift personnel resources the day of to fill in gaps, which often includes fewer resources on the street performing key neighborhood services or increased overtime and other personnel costs."
180000 hours lost. Sounds HUGE. But, divide that by eight hours in a day, and you come up with 22500 days 'lost'. OK, still a big number. But figure out how many employees the city has, which is around 35000. That tells me that each employee (on average) was only off 2/3rds of a day unscheduled. Now we all know a medical abuser or 6, but, for an employer as big as the city to only have each employee off 2/3rds of a day unscheduled in a year doesn't sound too bad to me.
Also consider, if you don't come in, you don't get paid. So they got your 8 hours. If they pay someone else to work 4 hours additional at time and 1/2, that costs 6 hours. The city still puts 2 in their pocket. So it looks like a win to me. Am I missing something? Or is she barking up the wrong tree.?
the kraft foods lawsuit down in Champaign Illinois tried this very same thing. Pretty much, the employees had to swipe in and out. In order to get to the swipe machines, the employees had to be fully clothed which included certain coats, safety vests, safety glasses, bump caps, sanitary boots and sanitary gloves. The court found, which was later upheld that the time getting ready was not worth compensation DUE TO THE FACT THAT THERE WAS NO RULE STATING EMPLOYEES WERE UNABLE TO COME TO WORK ALREADY PROPERLY ATTIRED. We also have no such rule.. in fact many officers ( for some unknown weird reason) come to work fully clothed already in duty belt and vest and don't even wear a cover up.. Some people prefer it because they are ready and just walk in the station ready. I believe that LAPD needed at the time to leave certain duty equipment in their assigned work locker.. CPD does not have that policy. The LA thing would never fly here because changing for work can be done at home.. just like a bus driver, waitress or business man who needs to wear a three piece suit every day for work which could take a half hour to get dressed into. After September 30th ALL of the perks are gone for everyone. Not just tac, gangs and units but for every single person on this job. Even the beat cars.. don't forget that when the early third watch cars get on the street so are you.. and if you are not on the street because third watch needs the cars then you are just sitting in the station to the last minute of your tour doing nothing... just watching the clock getting closer and closer to rush hour on the expressway home. 1430 is now 1430.. not 1300, 1315, 1330 or 1345. minute for minute. If you don't band together as AN ENTIRE DEPARTMENT then you are soft. Continue to give them one swipe a day.. if they want to SPAR the entire 12000 person department then let them. are they going to suspend the entire department??? No. Don't be the scab or yes man who swipes out.
my last four years with a city dept was 10 hour days 5 days a week. it was mandatory o.t. negotiated for the gig i was on. municipal pension fund. money was great but city declared mandatory or not it was not pensionable. too bad it really would have boosted my dying pension. we had emergency night and weekend call outs and used to get paid from call out. they changed that to an hour then half hour extra doubt theyre giving them anything now. hard to get out of bed get dressed, hit the street, go to the yard get the equip and roll to the west side in an hour. as everybody else has said they do what they want screw the rules. when the pols were in bed with labor it was a good place to work. now weve been kicked out the bed and the pols are in bed with the community and their retarded love children, the social justice freaks. the machine doesnt repair itself and they have alaigned themselves with the wreckers and thrown the fixers of society under the bus. the citys falling apart and only gonna get worse as these lunatics solidify their power. only solution is to flee.if youre young enough come back and buy your old house for 500.00 in thirty years. and raise chickens and reefer. like detroit. and trump will get all the blame for 70 years of idi amin style dem rule.
How about this: promotions in the "private sector" are more legit than the majority of promotions on this job. How about we start there?
8/12/2019 08:01:00 PM
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Promotions in the private sector are all merit, unless you're related to the boss. Hmmm, didn't think of that one, now did you? But, the merit is usually actually because you earned it in the private sector.
My department works 12’s(6:30-6:30). Roll call is at 6:30 sharp and does not last more than 5 minutes. Our officers aren’t paid for the 20 mins of their time it takes to put on gear, sign out car keys, a taser, less than lethal shotties, etc etc. We start heading into the station for the end of shift at about 6:20. Aren’t allowed to hit the locker room till 6:25. When I read some of the comments here about officers arriving for roll call 20 minutes late I can’t imagine a supervisor being OK with it. Here, those officers would be fired within a week and supervisors would not be supervisors.
I’m late just about every day. I don’t care. The bosses want my activity. The people who are on time have to be. They do nothing all day therefore stealing 8.5 hours compared to my 15 minutes for rollcall. Dock me for not swiping and the bosses will find themselves having to explain ZERO activity for their watch.
If this is true, this I should of been compensated for all those court calls I had to go to. Putting my uniform on and spending almost an hour just to get there. 3 hours is not enough. Takes at least 3 hours to get ready, go down there, wait for your case, and go back home.
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How about this: promotions in the "private sector" are more legit than the majority of promotions on this job. How about we start there?
8/12/2019 08:01:00 PM
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Promotions in the private sector are all merit, unless you're related to the boss. Hmmm, didn't think of that one, now did you? But, the merit is usually actually because you earned it in the private sector.
8/13/2019 01:59:00 AM
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Private sector has what? 4 people in an office competing for a promotion? We have 8,000. Apples and oranges.
A military comparison would be much more appropriate.
"...a lot of female officers can kick your ass..."
Baby oil wrestling? I'm in.
I say dump the clothing allowance. How many coppers actually use it for uniforms. Do you see what you look like ? Some of you look like you live on the street. The city should do like the fire department does open up a commissary and when you need something go get it
"....On Sept. 30, the rank-and-file will finally move to a “second swipe” at the end of their shifts, according to Police Department spokesman Anthony Guglielmi...."
The mandated swipe must include ALL employees--and when it doesn't, can only hope an enterprising reporter or two find out how much "ducking" and OT padding is still going on from our crack white shined leaders
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Off topic: could the goofy desk sgts in 005, send their guns to homan square every other day, coming down there with over 100 guns all at one time is ridiculous.
8/12/2019 09:00:00 AM
Awe, someone with an inside spot is crying they have work to do.....shut up cry baby.
How about this: promotions in the "private sector" are more legit than the majority of promotions on this job. How about we start there?
8/12/2019 08:01:00 PM
As a retired cop who then went into the private sector, there are a few things wrong with your argument. Promotions in the private sector are usually based on a combination of being in the department longer, really knowing the job and helping the company finish the job and make money. That is hard to do in a police department so you have promotion exams, hopefully based on job knowledge and sometimes a certain number of years experience. Merit promotions are here to stay. Hopefully they are managed by an outside company with transparent requirements. If an exempt recommends someone for a merit promotion, they should clearly state the reasons and have direct knowledge of performance. And, no merit bumps up the chain as is done now. Then please stop awarding all of those phony ribbons to the connected. They look like South American dictators.
Remember there was a 30 year step raise for everyone who hit that milestone and then the FOP graciously let the city eliminate that step which resulted in 25 yrs being the top step raise? Well was that raise ever incorporated into any of the other step raises? Nice gift from the FOP to the city and if I remember the FOP let the city slide on 26 million that was owed to the pension fund.
FOP are saps plain and simple. What what the “clown mayor” does on the 29th while the saps sir and watch.
My depts OT is pensionable. However, they take 12.5% out of my OT for the pension. Pay now for, hopefully, a lot more later
"As part of the Administration’s overall strategy to improve service efficiency and help ensure the City is delivering high quality services across its operations, absenteeism issues are being addressed head on, and the City is seeing results. Specifically, in 2015, the City tracked over 180,000 lost service hours due to employee overt absenteeism, meaning hours an employee was scheduled to work, but did not for unscheduled reasons. This type of absenteeism requires the City to shift personnel resources the day of to fill in gaps, which often includes fewer resources on the street performing key neighborhood services or increased overtime and other personnel costs."
180000 hours lost. Sounds HUGE. But, divide that by eight hours in a day, and you come up with 22500 days 'lost'. OK, still a big number. But figure out how many employees the city has, which is around 35000. That tells me that each employee (on average) was only off 2/3rds of a day unscheduled. Now we all know a medical abuser or 6, but, for an employer as big as the city to only have each employee off 2/3rds of a day unscheduled in a year doesn't sound too bad to me.
Also consider, if you don't come in, you don't get paid. So they got your 8 hours. If they pay someone else to work 4 hours additional at time and 1/2, that costs 6 hours. The city still puts 2 in their pocket. So it looks like a win to me. Am I missing something? Or is she barking up the wrong tree.?
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She is barking and squating at the wrong tree. The letter to all city employees is a CYA before she drops the heavy tax hammer on the citizens. This is all part of Groot's reformer's scheme. Look what I am doing to save the city money. Sadly I have to tax the shit out of you to keep the social programs going, Sanctuary City illegals, social justice/Dude, Inc and feed the "Machine" politico's to the money that they are accustomed to spending.
We all know that "White Shirts", Exempted and clout babies are not required to follow the All Hands letter. Lori continues her lies and gets caught all the time in her lies. Lori can't be trusted. Her fat ass is going to be showing again. Her letter and "Googs" announcement is just another example they can't get their stories to together.
Same shit new day.
I never swiped
OUT" before when were was required to a couple years back. No one ever said a word about it..same thing will happen now..so fuck them, dont swipe out.
8/12/2019 07:14:00 PM
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Anonymous said...
Off topic: could the goofy desk sgts in 005, send their guns to homan square every other day, coming down there with over 100 guns all at one time is ridiculous.
8/12/2019 09:00:00 AM
**WHY? Are you anxious to get back to your beat?? or desk job where you probably sit around and do nothing anyway.
No problem at all. You see we will just have our cigar club start later like when we would be getting off work. So I’ll get paid to sit back and have a smoke on city time..... thanks Groot!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Remember there was a 30 year step raise for everyone who hit that milestone and then the FOP graciously let the city eliminate that step which resulted in 25 yrs being the top step raise? Well was that raise ever incorporated into any of the other step raises? Nice gift from the FOP to the city and if I remember the FOP let the city slide on 26 million that was owed to the pension fund.
FOP are saps plain and simple. What what the “clown mayor” does on the 29th while the saps sir and watch.
8/13/2019 12:26:00 PM
The 30 year step was compressed into the 20 and 25 year steps. Also full pension used to be 32 and a day. I think that factored into the “gift” you claim FOP gave the city
WE have have a few lawyers throughout the ranks.
Some even say out loud they practice law an have access to Westlaw website.
But as usual not a peep from the scholars among us.
I can't wait for people to scream HEY FOP can you research something for me I can't because i work security or special employment.
Hopefully one brave person will actually hire a lawyer.
WE have have a few lawyers throughout the ranks.
Some even say out loud they practice law an have access to Westlaw website.
But as usual not a peep from the scholars among us.
I can't wait for people to scream HEY FOP can you research something for me I can't because i work security or special employment.
Hopefully one brave person will actually hire a lawyer.
8/13/2019 10:14:00 PM
You want a lawyer or other police officers to scream HEY FOP and want a brave person to do it, but you can’t because you work special employment or security?
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