Schedule Change Makes the Paper
Waller says it's coming regardless, which just shows everyone he's as big a tool as Special Ed. And the FOP insists it's an issue for collective bargaining:
- The Fraternal Order of Police is furious — and exploring its “legal options” — in response to a proposal to change the starting times for officers across the city to rein in runaway overtime and reduce down time between shifts.
The sweeping proposal, though, has been “rescinded temporarily,” according to Chicago Police Department spokesman Anthony [Google-me].
Other sources said a recent memo from CPD brass outlining the changes was held up for “legal issues” tied to command and control matters outlined by the consent decree and that the shift changes “will happen.”
How about you sit down with a few parents who are working the different shifts and try to figure out what works best?
- Some midnight officers aren't going to be home in time to make lunches and take kids to school.
- Neither will second watch parents.
- Some afternoon officers won't be able to pick up kids after school with the 3:45 dismissals and 4:00 PM start times.
Rational humans ought to be able to figure out something to accommodate working parents instead of Special Ed and Special Fred pretending that they forgot where they came from so Groot isn't angry with them.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
154 Comments:
Which job out in the real world revolves around somebody’s parenting schedule?
This city and department couldn’t care less. They have treated us like shit for a long time. They don’t care about us. At all. When will you guys realize this?
Hear more and more rumors that the city wants us to go back to the 6-2 work week. Say it ain’t so, that was a horrible schedule.
FOP IS A JOKE! They don’t do anything except act like clowns at meetings!!! How about fight for something that’s easily winnable LIKE residency???
If anyone, regardless of time on the job, EVER believes a single word out of the leaderships mouths about how “they care or we’re the backbone BS,” then you are all naive and frankly soft. Pay attention to history and the older guys who have watched this department crumble. Just recently and probably under pressure, they decided to address police suicide with all kinds of propaganda and bling. But have they ever looked at themselves? Yes, most of the time it’s personal matters that cops struggle with, but the fact is at work we’re all highly stressed and demanded to be perfect in split seconds, while violent people aren’t. There’s so much negative stuff happening right now that the last thing we need is the city and the brass to tell us, “screw you and your families. We don’t care. It’s about us.” Then throw in the constant worry of our retirement with a neglected pension that we contribute to with no say. Oh yeah, No contract either.? AGAIN! The leadership will bring the CPD down with only themselves to blame. They’re destroying what only the false narrative said was broken. SHAMEFUL!
We are on a path to the complete destruction of anything that was left of morale. I’d like to give a Thanks to Kevin Graham of FOP for showing up in 011 at midnight on Sunday to talk to anyone who was there. Thanks for cleaning the air on all the schedule rumors and contract updates. I only have 6 years on but it was a nice surprise during these crazy times. Graham explained how the city likes to do what they want until the FOP points out why they can’t. The city can still screw with us but it may cost them down the line. Graham sounded like he wasn’t giving at all.
Well, Special Ed doesn't have to pick up anyone. This is like demanding imagination from a toad.
Years ago I remember reading about a child care program that either the Los Angeles Police or the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Office had. They were pretty accommodating to officers with children. They had child care on police property and very secure with only the officers with the children having having access. I am thinking this was about 25 years ago. Pretty progressive for the time, oh excuse me “progressive” has a different meaning now!!!
I have a whole heck of a lot to blast the Department about. Merit, COPA, Department not defending officers in the media, etc. I sure don’t want my starting time changed, but I’m so fucking sick and tried about people bitching about what they “can’t work” or what they “have to work” as far as watch and start time. You took the test and accepted the position as a Police Officer. A job that operates 24 hours a day, seven days a week. You knew there were 3 shifts on the Police Department. Your employer, the Department, is not responsible and has no obligation to make sure you are able to drop or pick your kids up from school. Sorry but that’s the truth. This is a fucking job. And if you are on a watch by management, go fuck yourself. You accepted the job knowing your employer operated 3 shifts. Be grateful you got the watch you wanted. You have kids? Big fucking deal. You aren’t the first person to raise kids while on the Department. Policemen have had kids since the inception of the Department. You don’t have it so bad. We used to rotate watches every 28 days. Rotated through all 3 watches all year long. Figure it out. Pay for after school, a babysitter, grandparents, neighbors, whatever. We can complain, but quit bitching about how you’re getting screwed.
FOP President Kevin Graham was in 011 for the midnight watch answering questions about this garbage. He did a good job explaining how he had an emergency meeting with the city to put this on hold. But he did say they city could disregard the argument and the FOP will take legal action which could take time. This is how the city operates. It’s sure sounds like he is fighting like hell, but it’s probably the toughest times the FOP had ever had. Good luck Kevin
Why would a divorced sup care. Obviously family came second.
Elect morally straight people and get morally sound leadership for the department.
America
So basically they want to attack every parent on this God foresaken job. The days off cancelled/summer, working through the holidays, missing out on other events in order not to burn time in case of a family emergency, trading sleep due to court missing out on extended family events...now they want to take away the "luxury" of being able to drop off/pick up my kid from school..F U Waller!
God does this job blow, all they do is fuck with our lives because they are fucking retarded. It's no wonder why the divorce rate is so high with the suicides that go with it. Nothing but clowns screwing us over and a FOP to match. Spinless union with no balls and a communist mayor that hates us as much as the citizens
Might need to point out to the unions that there is a federal, a state, a county and a city Family leave act. In the middle of a teacher union strike they are going to pull this bs and make it difficult if not impossible for you to take care of your children. Officers have to seriously consider taking leave from the department to ensure the safety of their children. This is obviously not a problem for the city considering crime is down!
CPD is not family. I don't want to hear this bullshit that we are one big family. BULLSHIT!
Heard FOP Graham was in 11 around midnight Sunday answering questions. Wish I was there. Keep fighting
Not saying Waller's edict was well thought out, but everyone knows full well that overtime has been out of control for quite a few years now. Something has to be done. In the end, the troops aren't going to be happy about it, but they'll adjust, as they always do, and make the job "work for them."
Surprise fop was able to do anything? Didn't stop the cameras or the swiping? Those were work conditions!
I see the Chief is finally sending pregnant officers to callback, and rightfully so. It’s too much liability. Those days of working half-days are over.
There are only two solutions. One is to buy enough vehicles to accommodate the 4/2. The other is to revert back to revert back to 6/2. Pick your poison boys and girls. It’s either or when it comes to schedule. Can’t have it both ways. There just isn’t enough hours in the day.
Anonymous said...
Which job out in the real world revolves around somebody’s parenting schedule?
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You mean jobs in the private sector offering on-site day care? The real world job that offers "flex time" as an inducement to come work for them? Family Leave Act?
Any of this sound familiar?
Anonymous said...
Which job out in the real world revolves around somebody’s parenting schedule?
Babysitter?...
Chief walller has nothing to do with the design of this. Not sure if he has figured out there is 24 hours in a day. Same dumb shit. No one at HQ sharp enough to see the big picture on any change, good or bad. More foolery from the fools.
READ THIS READ THIS READ THIS
There is absolutely no truth to the rumor about a return to the 6-2 schedule. The city has not proposed it and it would require a return to 8 hour workdays with a half hour unpaid lunch. It would also require a change back to 7 DOGs. It would mean more workdays per year which equates to more $$$. It would also require an agreement from FOP which ain’t gonna happen. Relax.
I can understand all the complaining, but I’ve got news for you all. The FOP shouldn’t be your target. Take a good read of the FOP contract. All of the bennies there didn’t fall down from the heavens. There were gained through negotiations by the FOP that you just love to complain about.
Have there been some bad FOP administrations? Absolutely, with the last administration being the worst. Dean Angelo, Ray Casciano and Jay Ryan gave away the fucking farm in the last round of contract negotiations and then pulled the wool over your eyes to get you to vote for the shit contract they agreed to.
You all better wake up. There is an FOP election coming up soon. Ray Casciano and Jay Ryan have stated they are running for president. Tom McDonogh was a major player in that administration too. Think about how these three are responsible for letting the city take duty availability away from young guys, opening the door for taking money away from retired guys who now pay for healthcare that was free, giving back tuition reimbursement benefits, agreeing to a two-tiered healthcare system that costs us all more money. They played ball with the DOJ which a big part of all the shit that’s going on now.
Anonymous said...
I have a whole heck of a lot to blast the Department about. Merit, COPA, Department not defending officers in the media, etc. I sure don’t want my starting time changed, but I’m so fucking sick and tried about people bitching about what they “can’t work” or what they “have to work” as far as watch and start time. You took the test and accepted the position as a Police Officer. A job that operates 24 hours a day, seven days a week. You knew there were 3 shifts on the Police Department. Your employer, the Department, is not responsible and has no obligation to make sure you are able to drop or pick your kids up from school. Sorry but that’s the truth. This is a fucking job. And if you are on a watch by management, go fuck yourself. You accepted the job knowing your employer operated 3 shifts. Be grateful you got the watch you wanted. You have kids? Big fucking deal. You aren’t the first person to raise kids while on the Department. Policemen have had kids since the inception of the Department. You don’t have it so bad. We used to rotate watches every 28 days. Rotated through all 3 watches all year long. Figure it out. Pay for after school, a babysitter, grandparents, neighbors, whatever. We can complain, but quit bitching about how you’re getting screwed.
10/08/2019 01:01:00 AM
Definitely agree try to find another job that pays the salary you’re making for doing what you’re doing with your esteemed college degree, be happy you have a job like you have even work the shifts you have to work that’s just the way it is you came on the job knowing this now stop crying the millennial generation is out of control.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Which job out in the real world revolves around somebody’s parenting schedule?
10/08/2019 12:13:00 AM
A lot of companies offer such benefits: child care, work from home, flexible hours, leave work, pick up the children, then log in from home. None of which are feasible for LEOs.
Perhaps stupid lightbrain would look at the overtime root causes: cancelling days off, crazy, useless paperwork, wasteful meetings, criminals running wild without consequences, and a plethora of useless minutia.
Or maybe she can put the criminals on a schedule: all crimes stop 2 hours before shift end or leave criminals on the streets starting 2 hours before shift end. Oh they're already immediayely putting them back on the streets. Skip that one. Yes asking criminals to stop 2 hpurs prior to shift end would work as well as her/their other dumbass ideas, policies, procedures.
I respectfullt disagree with your "real world" comment. Our blue see the REAL world every single day, not knowing what will pop up. Who eose faces these situations in a non LEO job? Lets face real world, shall we?
God bless our blue and thank you !!
What’s this rumor I hear that come February, the swipe will be linked to payroll and if you miss the grace period to swipe in you will get 15 minutes automatically deducted from payroll check. And you will have the option to put a slip in or just let payroll take it out of your pay. Hence the reason they want to change start time an hour later as most will not want to stay later than that.
The significant others of both Ed and Waller got help scoring good on this last Lt test. Shows what they think of real working police.
To 5.31–or set days off....work five, 8 hour shifts. Sucks for the newbies, but it would incentivize working in shit districts
To 12.47: SpEd only has to pick up his “Relief” at 1600 N Throop
So much for the Senior Command caring for the Average Joe & Jane copper and their well being and family life
Am I the only one that doesn’t understand this...? The job and city do not revolve around you, your personal BS, your family activities, your child’s school or daycare or your significant other. They can change the start times as they see fit as to benefit the department. Period. There are plenty more things to be complaining about that are legit. Going mainstream with this will just show how petty the police in the city are being and just give the mayor more ammo to make us look bad. If you applied and got this job and expected it to revolve around YOUR stuff, I got some bad news for you...
This is a job for the super clown to fight for us, get on it right now Murray.
Alot of us like the new hours. Whats old is new again.
https://www.10news.com/news/making-it-in-san-diego/making-it-in-san-diego-low-cost-late-night-daycare-for-san-diego-police-officers-kids
The beatings will continue until morale improves
Anonymous said...
There are only two solutions. One is to buy enough vehicles to accommodate the 4/2. The other is to revert back to revert back to 6/2. Pick your poison boys and girls. It’s either or when it comes to schedule. Can’t have it both ways. There just isn’t enough hours in the day.
10/08/2019 05:31:00 AM
The idiots who voted for disability Dean already did pick their poison. They voted for new squad cars & fucked the new hires on duty availability. Great job guys. So where are all the new cars to make the 4-2 work like it should? What’s the problem now?
They tried this shit with the County 3 times. Each time an arbitrator told them they can't change the schedule without negotiating it. The 3rd one (Benn I believe) said in a very professional manner, ___I don't know what part of you can't change the schedule you morons aren't getting but you can't change the schedule. The County's argument was not enough Officers and the Union easily pointed out hundreds of Officers that could be moved to patrol, With you guys it's probably thousands. Might take a while but they will lose.
If this isn't a "flu" issue nothing will every be ..........No OT by the book and fetal.
Please don't lump Fred in with Mr. Fenner. It's like apples and oranges, this isn't coming from Fred this is all the Mayor and Fenner.
SCC- very soft argument. In my 25 yrs on ,management has never cared about my family schedule. Lol. Stop complaining and figure it out.
The command staff has never cared about you or your family. All they care about getting one of "their own" promoted and protecting / covering their own asses. This became evident after the myriad of retirements related to JVD. It is evident after the last round of promotions, which was truly sickening.
This once great department was brought to its knees by a few fools who have no idea what they are doing.
The only ones complaining are the 3w officers who are losing their 3 hour early duck every night.
nothing but complaining. lets go back to 6&2 with rotating watches, it was fair, and not complicated.
Anonymous said...
Why would a divorced sup care. Obviously family came second.
Some of us don’t want the divorce and want to keep the family together. Some of us are forced to accept the divorce and pickup our life.
Some of us are highly moral. Stop virtue signaling and most of us are not deplorable.
Why is there so much hate against officers with children from other officers. All the negative "figure it out not my problem it's impossible". Such bitterness! Maybe it reminded you of the superficial life of solitude and loneliness. Guess what...one day when you have aging and sick parents that you need to switch a watch or have to request extended time off or have to ask for a breather because you have doc appointments to take the parents too and extra cleaning and grocery shopping for them I hope someone doesn't tell you to "Figure it out". My guess the person most willing to help out will be guess what...another parent the group of people who seem to have such a disdain for.
If this is such a good idea, and saves so much on OT monies, why didn't they implement it when the department went to the 4-2 schedule?
im not ok
Quite the mess. I wonder why now?
You mean jobs in the private sector offering on-site day care? The real world job that offers "flex time" as an inducement to come work for them? Family Leave Act?
Any of this sound familiar?
10/08/2019 05:39:00 AM
Uh, then go get one of those jobs. You are not required by anyone to work here. This is not an insurance company.
I’m sorry, but as much as I hate what’s going on right now with the Department, CPD has no obligation to accommodate your child care issue! We have three different Watches. Make it work for yourself if it means you have to adjust your lifestyle and SACRIFICE! If you have less than 5 years and are on days, welcome to midnights. You should’ve carefully thought about a scenario like this before you brought your child into this world. If you didn’t, SHAME on you!
Anybody NOTICE
the LORI light groot is tell CPS employees she is in a rush to settle the contract?
HER claim is she has only been mayor for a hundred some days????
FOP she be all over this ASAP GROOT is over her head and begging for air. That im the smartest lawyer in the room charm is falling apart.
And on another note you ever get the feeling that the exempts are creating a hostile work environment?
A hostile work environment is created by a boss or coworker whose actions, communication or behavior make doing your job impossible. This means that the behavior altered the terms, conditions, and/or reasonable expectations of a comfortable work environment for employees.
If start time can change can i just consider the contract void? When does a lawsuit begin and us blue shirt receive compensation for violation in the contract?
You mean jobs in the private sector offering on-site day care? The real world job that offers "flex time" as an inducement to come work for them? Family Leave Act?
Any of this sound familiar?
10/08/2019 05:39:00 AM
Yes, there are some companies that do this, but not many. And, for vital services like police and fire, it is almost impossible to offer flex time. However, it might be possible to start some type of on-site day care. The newer stations should have the room, but they might have to kick out the drug addicts, drunks and mental cases. When I was the WC i did have some parents come to me for consideration because of child care issues. I did the best that I could, even fudging the line-ups to give people time off for sick kids. But, you can only go so far. I recalled my days with child care problems and I especially had concern for single parents.
Reading some of these comments makes me wonder about today’s generation of police officer. I guess I’m surprised that it’s much more like society as a whole than I would have thought. Retired guy here so don’t necessarily have skin in the game. But in this case, maybe it’s time to put on your big boy and girl pants on. This is a job. If it was all fun and games it would be a hobby. Like it or not Waller and Johnson have a responsibility to the City to do what’s best for the City. Always hated hearing bosses say if you didn’t like things the way they were maybe you should go somewhere else. Unfortunately sometimes that’s true. So when they try make a decision that doesn’t go the way of the “me” generation I guess some feelings will be hurt.
I’m not sure if something like this would be a contract violation but in any case it shouldn’t be done without at least a 90 day notice to allow people to make accommodations to their personal situations. And, if it is a contract violation than you should expect the Union to do its job hold them to it.
I have a whole heck of a lot to blast the Department about. Merit, COPA, Department not defending officers in the media, etc. I sure don’t want my starting time changed, but I’m so fucking sick and tried about people bitching about what they “can’t work” or what they “have to work” as far as watch and start time. You took the test and accepted the position as a Police Officer. A job that operates 24 hours a day, seven days a week. You knew there were 3 shifts on the Police Department. Your employer, the Department, is not responsible and has no obligation to make sure you are able to drop or pick your kids up from school. Sorry but that’s the truth. This is a fucking job. And if you are on a watch by management, go fuck yourself. You accepted the job knowing your employer operated 3 shifts. Be grateful you got the watch you wanted. You have kids? Big fucking deal. You aren’t the first person to raise kids while on the Department. Policemen have had kids since the inception of the Department. You don’t have it so bad. We used to rotate watches every 28 days. Rotated through all 3 watches all year long. Figure it out. Pay for after school, a babysitter, grandparents, neighbors, whatever. We can complain, but quit bitching about how you’re getting screwed.
It isn’t about the shift work necessarily asshole, it’s the sudden change without any concern for the already established schedules families have in place. You wonder why suicides are high and morale is shit, you wonder why stress levels are out of control, it’s because of this mentality. When you actually care about the end user, you’d be shocked at the return on investment that has with employees, more productive worker, happier work environment, etc. Your mentality is exactly why our Dept is in shambles. The Dept must evolve and abandon this type of thinking. Yes, the work must be done, the cars must be staffed, but that all can be done and done better with a different approach. Management must evolve and put the worker first.
WOW alot of sour old times saying how tough they were back in the day about start times!
Funny when i worked with you guys in the 90's you were crying about being dumped from your car on the early start times.
You would call your clout so you can be on tact and gangs?
You would right parkers and mover so the watch commander would think you were a worker but your cuffs had rust on them?
SO as employees we have rights. WE must adress the issue with management first.
IF not GRIEVE IT.
IF the supervisor begins tinkering with your start times and seems to be hostile document them like you were trained and file a lawsuit.
OR
SUFFER
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Which job out in the real world revolves around somebody’s parenting schedule?
You're obviously not a cop, this isnt a NORMAL job you piece of shit, fuck off and go somewhere else!!!!!
Listen, the schedule change isn’t THAT extreme. You took this job aware of the shitty schedule and seniority requirements to get a better shift(usually except for suckholes). We sound like complete lunatics basing our argument on “parenting schedules.” Fuck yeah it blows but what job in the world asks employees what hours work best for their parenting? It’s more like “these are the hours if you want the job take it, otherwise don’t. I get it my ex and I are both on the job and have always worked different shifts with different days off so that the kids were always covered. Guess what that led to?? A divorce. Just do what’s best for you and yours and don’t worry about the city. Pray they don’t go back to the 6/2 schedule. A lot of you younger officers have no idea how difficult THAT schedule is on the body and family life not to mention mentally draining. Also, stop saving that comp time and take days off even if it’s in the winter. Enjoy your lives and families before it’s too late. You guys trying to retire with 3000 hours on the books are insane. Yeah that’s a great check but where are your kids when you retire? You missed all of those years and by the time you retire they’re on their own. Fuck saving those hours....use em
There's 3 guys who don't have to worry about schedules:
The zombies were having fun, the party had just begun
The guests included Wolfman, Biden, and his son
The 28 day shift change was a brutal schedule no matter how you looked at it. How soon we forget the old days.
I’m tired of people complaining about what they can or can’t work. What about majority of people who work 9-5. They have family, baby sitters pick up or take their kids to school. Not an employers problem.
All you guys saying this what you signed up for Shut up. The private sector and even the federal gov do accommodate for families or at least good bosses do....
I like Graham. He lives for FOP, but he has listened to the wrong people for 2.5 years and now these same people..well...it's election time. Graham also still needs practice how to act like he is angry.
While I can understand the inconvenience a change in start times may bring to ones family dynamic a couple things should be understood. The city has the absolute right to change our start times 2 hours before and 2 hours after our respective Watch Start times. While I would hope if the city were to do so they would do so while informing the members in a timely manner in order for all of us to make arrangements with childcare and school if it applies. I do not see any reason for an immediate change in start times right away as opposed to an advance notice of the change unless it’s an emergency which I think we all would have no problem with. As far as having kids in school and child care, well sorry guys deal with it. I could bore you with me telling you all how I rotated watches, got my DOG changed every time my weekends came up (6 and 2) didn’t get picked up on a Watch right away, never got a early duck on my Friday or furlough Friday, never got to take lunch in the station and then time due, had to stay till 22 minutes after the hour to get released, had to write tickets both movers and Parker’s to stay on a Watch, would not think of being late for roll call, stand up inspection 5-6 times a week and so on. If both spouses work then maybe one should stay home while the other work, works side jobs, go to court etc... so no problem with child care or as I call it stranger care. Or pay for for it. I’m sorry but while I understand your outrage at the city changing start times which the contract says they can do you got to quit crying about it. Some things we cannot change or effect since the contract allows the city to do it and we voted for it. Why are they doing this? I don’t know.... but think about this scenario: we all know that weather plays a role on crime, good weather= more violent crime. So say some brain trust merit hack at HQ thinks that in order to address this reality of increased violent crime during warmer weather, this hack comes up with the Summer Crime Initiative with the start times on the watches as following... 1st Watch 2000 & 21000 hrs start, 2nd Watch 0300 & 0400 hrs start, 3rd Watch 1600 & 1700 hrs start. All the manpower during those crucial high crime hours. And yes the city can do this and there’s nothing we can do about it. Swiping is another thing we cannot change or get out from. The City can make their employees do it. Now if there are some court cases regarding the police swiping that makes OT pensionable then we need to pursue that avenue as a remedy. And another thing, quit beefing about residency. It ain’t gonna happen. Concentrate on that which we can change and address in contract talks, use the city’s rules and policies against them by following them to the letter. And always be safe, enjoy life cause being the Chicago police is not what life is supposed to be, it’s just a job as the city has made it clear, punch in and punch out, leave it at the station.
Anonymous said...
I have a whole heck of a lot to blast the Department about. Merit, COPA, Department not defending officers in the media, etc. I sure don’t want my starting time changed, but I’m so fucking sick and tried about people bitching about what they “can’t work” or what they “have to work” as far as watch and start time. You took the test and accepted the position as a Police Officer. A job that operates 24 hours a day, seven days a week. You knew there were 3 shifts on the Police Department. Your employer, the Department, is not responsible and has no obligation to make sure you are able to drop or pick your kids up from school. Sorry but that’s the truth. This is a fucking job. And if you are on a watch by management, go fuck yourself. You accepted the job knowing your employer operated 3 shifts. Be grateful you got the watch you wanted. You have kids? Big fucking deal. You aren’t the first person to raise kids while on the Department. Policemen have had kids since the inception of the Department. You don’t have it so bad. We used to rotate watches every 28 days. Rotated through all 3 watches all year long. Figure it out. Pay for after school, a babysitter, grandparents, neighbors, whatever. We can complain, but quit bitching about how you’re getting screwed.
10/08/2019 01:01:00 AM
EXACTLY!!!!
Does your school have a "Mindfulness Center" or a
"Chill Room"? Yeah, this is a "thing" now in some surburban
high schools. Students can scan a QR code with their phones
(What The Fuck Are Phones Doing In High School?) and get
a pass into the Chill Room to speak with a counselor who will
teach them relaxation techniques with breathing exercises!
Then of course, if they make it into college, they will find "safe
rooms" with decompression chambers. (Just like you would
find in the real-world job workplace)
We're grooming these kids to default instead of learning coping
skills themselves. Good luck with that on your first job, Jack.
The final exam is everyday, hour by hour. Pink slip coming your
way if ya can't cut it.
Get rid of residency FOP!!! They can have it all, let the self cleaning oven commence. We have lost alot in 7 years! Nothing left to loose. We are a dead horse. STOP all activity. Have a bit of dignity and work 1st watch or a late car, don't sell out. You management fix are the problem too.
Ha! Didn't you hear, the city will soon be sponsoring a Babysitting program similar to Safe Passage. Yep, now the same people/folks working safe passage will gladly come pick up jr and with a copy of yo house keys and alarm codes wait at your crib til you come home
Anonymous Anonymous said...
There are only two solutions. One is to buy enough vehicles to accommodate the 4/2. The other is to revert back to revert back to 6/2. Pick your poison boys and girls. It’s either or when it comes to schedule. Can’t have it both ways. There just isn’t enough hours in the day.
10/08/2019 05:31:00 AM
Buying more cars would be the best solution. Short term, up front cost for the new vehicles, but in the long run, there should not be that much of an increased cost to the city vehicle fleet due to the fact that you are going to get x miles out of each car. More cars to spread out those x miles. Drawback is that the fleet will get older while getting those x miles.
6-2 is coming......Don't be surprised on the first day of the 1st period, 2020, 6-2 and old starting times will be implemented. When the 4-2 come in existence, the Department was fully staffed. Although asshole Rahm allegedly hired over 1000 new officers, we were down 2000-3000 Officers before he did that. I'm going to guess 500-700 retired in the last two years. With 6-2, more Officers will be on the street, and there will be no shortage of vehicles going back to previous starting times. Unfortunately starting times, etc is not a contractual matter. The Unfair Labor complaint will state just that. Get ready, it's coming.....
Jugghaid back from across the pond?
When shaky yes ma’am merit bosses go rogue.
This may be a bargaining chip against the membership.
I’d be wary of a 28 Day 6/2 Waller Watch Rotation being throw in too.
You want work schedules that are more accommodating ?
A Groot Restructure of the entire current disciplinary rules and 10% for 5 years, maybe eliminating a BFD and cut DA by 50%.
A handful of weak communities activist multi-merit hacks are posturing to become The Next Right Person for the Right Time™️.
The more anti-police, gettin’even policy changers will get noticed the most.
This schedule change is dependent solely on District activity.
Keep on getting those numbers, the more the better.
In Ed We Trust...make that Fred.
Is the mayor punching a clock? Are the aldermen and their staffs? What's good for the goose...
This time schedule change is due I think to the swiping in and out nonsense. However; these start times are the same as the 6 day work week schedule that we had for years. I have raised a family on this schedule start times and did fine and no was never a house mouse I worked the street. I do believe the importance of family but acting like you are entitled and the department works around your schedule is bullshit. Learn how to manage your time just like all the officers before you.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I have a whole heck of a lot to blast the Department about. Merit, COPA, Department not defending officers in the media, etc. I sure don’t want my starting time changed, but I’m so fucking sick and tried about people bitching about what they “can’t work” or what they “have to work” as far as watch and start time. You took the test and accepted the position as a Police Officer. A job that operates 24 hours a day, seven days a week. You knew there were 3 shifts on the Police Department. Your employer, the Department, is not responsible and has no obligation to make sure you are able to drop or pick your kids up from school. Sorry but that’s the truth. This is a fucking job. And if you are on a watch by management, go fuck yourself. You accepted the job knowing your employer operated 3 shifts. Be grateful you got the watch you wanted. You have kids? Big fucking deal. You aren’t the first person to raise kids while on the Department. Policemen have had kids since the inception of the Department. You don’t have it so bad. We used to rotate watches every 28 days. Rotated through all 3 watches all year long. Figure it out. Pay for after school, a babysitter, grandparents, neighbors, whatever. We can complain, but quit bitching about how you’re getting screwed.
10/08/2019 01:01:00 AM
And the biggest asshat award goes to the idiot who posted this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Listen idiot no one is bitching about the watches, they are complaining about not getting enough notification from the department in changing their start/ending times so they could make arrangements with childcare.
I only hope with a stupid comment like this confirms you are new on the job, when I came on the job I knew medical insurance was free for active and retired members so what does that mean? It means the city/ department doesn't give two fucks about us and does whatever it wants. Doesn't mean we have to like it or fight against it..
I bet you're one of these idiots that tells copper its part of your job to get spit on, assaulted, and battered. It's part of the job and we knew what we were signing up for.
The only reason the city keeps doing this shit to us is because they know WE CANNOT STRIKE! Let any employer do this shit with union workers and see how fast they strike. They also keep doing this shit because of assholes like you that won't stick together with co workers, I bet you're one of these koolaid drinking MFer who keeps bringing in activity and working Cta, VRI, and Cha.
For a second I just thought I was an asshole (I may still be an asshole, but anyways...)
I thought I was the only one who has a “suck it up” attitude towards people with children.
No one made you become a parent, and you knew that parenting would often cause you to be uncomfortable- those are the sacrifices you made in your decision.
I weighed the options, and decided parenting was not something I wanted to do. So now why should I feel bad because you signed up for something that is more than you can handle?
If you want “on-site babysitting” or “flex time,” you chose the wrong job. And most of you had this job when you decided to have children.
So I’m sorry, but that’s your problem to figure out- you knew the deal of shift-work when you signed up, AND when yuh decided to have children.
You aren’t the first copper to have kids and work.
Does it suck? Yes, I’m sure it does suck at some times. But you’ll figure it out.
And the funny thing is, half the people crying about babysitting and wanting to get more “progressive”- as soon as you mention fighting residency- they say “no! You knew there was residency when you signed up for this job!”
Yeah, well ok. There was no bitching about kids, or “flex time” either.
So are we progressive, and can change, or not? Or maybe only when it suits you.
Which job out in the real world revolves around somebody’s parenting schedule?
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You mean jobs in the private sector offering on-site day care? The real world job that offers "flex time" as an inducement to come work for them? Family Leave Act?
Any of this sound familiar?
10/08/2019 05:39:00 AM
How many jobs offer those benefits ? In the post it says 1st watch can’t make lunch and take kids to school, 2nd watch can’t do this. 3rd watch can’t pick them up. What watch are you supposed to work?
Anonymous said...
So basically they want to attack every parent on this God foresaken job. The days off cancelled/summer, working through the holidays, missing out on other events in order not to burn time in case of a family emergency, trading sleep due to court missing out on extended family events...now they want to take away the "luxury" of being able to drop off/pick up my kid from school..F U Waller!
This statement, right here, is 100% correct. One of the few cherished things that an officer has(had now) especially those that work midnights, is the little time he/she has with their children before and after school. That small window of time to help a spouse with the kids last minute homework, clothes, breakfast, sports gear, all done in the morning...to join in on the morning get ready routine. It is vital to a child's memories. How dare you assholes take that away. I missed my sons picture day the other day, because of this swiping nonsense. I have always helped him with his hair in the morning, because he is too little to do it right. Where was I? I was sitting with my thumbs up my ass waiting to swipe. With no radio, keys, taser, nothing. And picking up from school is thrown off now too, for the other watches. Little ones have to now either walk home alone, or arrangements have to be made. God forbid they consider that it takes 1 damn hour to drive home 1 way with traffic!!
Keep fighting everyone. We have no choice. This mayor is the absolute worst.
This is a fucking job. And if you are on a watch by management, go fuck yourself. You accepted the job knowing your employer operated 3 shifts. Be grateful you got the watch you wanted. You have kids? Big fucking deal. You aren’t the first person to raise kids while on the Department.
Thank you. I'm sick of the I can't work that shift I have kids. Tough shit you signed up for this crap job so deal with the decision.
Get private sector job and work 9-5 instead of bitching or will that new job affect your childcare too. Plenty of people have kids and make it work you are not special.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
FOP IS A JOKE! They don’t do anything except act like clowns at meetings!!! How about fight for something that’s easily winnable LIKE residency???
You are the joke for not getting it and being naive. If residency was EASILY WINNABLE FOP or any officer would do it. If it’s so easy, why don’t you file a lawsuit? It’s not that simple or easy
You mean jobs in the private sector offering on-site day care? The real world job that offers "flex time" as an inducement to come work for them? Family Leave Act?
Why not get a real world job then? Instead of bitching. Plenty of places are horing.
10/8- 1:01 a.m.- You are 100 % spot on my friend. You are a voice of reason. This job fucking blows but 10 years ago we had some fun. We all know what we signed up for. Changing a start time by a half hour shouldn't cause such a fucking uproar. And if you have to be 30 minutes late everyday who gives a fuck. If you have a decent boss they shouldn't care and swiping isn't tied to payroll. Fuck em.
Fred and Ed are yes men to Groot.
If Groot says agitate the troops Ed and Fred say “yes mam”
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Which job out in the real world revolves around somebody’s parenting schedule?
10/08/2019 12:13:00 AM
You have a very valid point there.
Ask parents? You mean the women that think they should be able to work days because they are moms? Violating contractual seniority bids, while people that have put their time in slug it on midnights or afternoons? Screw that. You took this job know it comes with an unstable oddball schedule yet you want to crank out kids so you can work inside or work days....no thanks. Entitlement is unbelievable....just like with swiping...the entitlement on this job is staggering
Very interesting to see a 30 minute time modification in one’s day flips some peoples(or folks) lives up side down. I’ll take that late side car for ya.
10/08/2019 05:39:00 AM
Family leave act...take it dolly....unpaid leave. Instead you crybabies will abuse the medical.
Maybe before you spout acts you should actually know what they say.
“ The FMLA allows eligible employees to take up to 12 work weeks of unpaid leave during any 12-month period to care for a new child, care for a seriously ill family member, or recover from a serious illness. The FMLA covers both public- and private-sector employees, but certain categories of employees, including elected officials and highly compensated employees, are excluded from the law or face certain limitations. In order to be eligible for FMLA leave, an employee must have worked for the employer for at least 12 months, have worked at least 1,250 hours over the past 12 months, and work for an employer with at least fifty employees. Several states have passed laws providing additional family and medical leave protections for workers.”
I have a whole heck of a lot to blast the Department about. Merit, COPA, Department not defending officers in the media, etc. I sure don’t want my starting time changed, but I’m so fucking sick and tried about people bitching about what they “can’t work” or what they “have to work” as far as watch and start time. You took the test and accepted the position as a Police Officer. A job that operates 24 hours a day, seven days a week. You knew there were 3 shifts on the Police Department. Your employer, the Department, is not responsible and has no obligation to make sure you are able to drop or pick your kids up from school. Sorry but that’s the truth. This is a fucking job. And if you are on a watch by management, go fuck yourself. You accepted the job knowing your employer operated 3 shifts. Be grateful you got the watch you wanted. You have kids? Big fucking deal. You aren’t the first person to raise kids while on the Department. Policemen have had kids since the inception of the Department. You don’t have it so bad. We used to rotate watches every 28 days. Rotated through all 3 watches all year long. Figure it out. Pay for after school, a babysitter, grandparents, neighbors, whatever. We can complain, but quit bitching about how you’re getting screwed.
10/08/2019 01:01:00 AM
Someone had to say it
Fred "Fucking" Waller works a set shift.
Bedtime the same every night.
BTW, he looks real good in that Internet photo from May 2018
standing at the podium outside flanked by CPD bicycle officers
wearing combat vests and shorts. A totally fucking fearsome
force. Always showcase your best men!
Fred never missed a home steak dinner in the past 5 years.
Screw the force. Turnover like crazy. Pretty soon the streets
are patrolled by newbies living at home with parents. Salary?
No problem. I can live with that. Shift work? I'll fucking adjust,
at least I have a job.
Worked in a place where the supervisor tried to "sell" the
weekend 3 to 11 shift as a permanent part of the schedule.
Approached younger workers right out of school. "Hey, the
bars are just getting going at 11. Try it! You can go out
every weekend."
I'm guessing most people bitching are on 3rd watch and no longer get their 2 hour duck.....
Anonymous said...
I have a whole heck of a lot to blast the Department about. Merit, COPA, Department not defending officers in the media, etc. I sure don’t want my starting time changed, but I’m so fucking sick and tried about people bitching about what they “can’t work” or what they “have to work” as far as watch and start time. You took the test and accepted the position as a Police Officer. A job that operates 24 hours a day, seven days a week. You knew there were 3 shifts on the Police Department. Your employer, the Department, is not responsible and has no obligation to make sure you are able to drop or pick your kids up from school. Sorry but that’s the truth. This is a fucking job. And if you are on a watch by management, go fuck yourself. You accepted the job knowing your employer operated 3 shifts. Be grateful you got the watch you wanted. You have kids? Big fucking deal. You aren’t the first person to raise kids while on the Department. Policemen have had kids since the inception of the Department. You don’t have it so bad. We used to rotate watches every 28 days. Rotated through all 3 watches all year long. Figure it out. Pay for after school, a babysitter, grandparents, neighbors, whatever. We can complain, but quit bitching about how you’re getting screwed.
10/08/2019 01:01:00 AM
Go drink some more of the kool-aid u stroke. People like u are why there’s no unity on this department
Waller's edict: I'm a dick and everybody knows it
Propaganda:
NFL team: Player XXXXX is "better than ever"
in spite of (Sunday) concussion.
Waller: We're going to make schedule changes
(just because we can)
Jobs in the real world offer four months maternity and paternity leave. Our leave time is atrocious.
If CPD plans on changing hours of operation why not start in 2020, NOT at the end of 2019. CPD sucks!
Which job out in the real world revolves around somebody’s parenting schedule?
You don't get jerked around nearly as much in the "real world". Unless you're in an upper management position, you generally don't have your hours arbitrarily changed at will. It's easy for dipshit Waller (and his little numbers bitch Lemmer) to piss all over everyone's lives because IT DOESN'T AFFECT THEM. Nobody takes a job with the expectation that all of their personal needs will be catered to. However, we don't have the luxury of working in a clean, safe, climate controlled office building with a work schedule that lines up with school hours. Fucking with start times is just a big fat bitch slap to the face for all of the officers out there working for a living in an often inexplicable hell. Something Waller and Lemmer have not done in their entire tenure on CPD.
I could not care less about this nonsense.
Just wake me up when it’s time to swipe out.
To all the twinks still bringing in Obama’s cards knock it off. You are just making yourself look soft and clueless
I think most of us understand and accept that the city can change our schedules. It’s just the way they went about it. All the sudden in 2 weeks your schedule is changing by an hour? That is not cool. A lot of people have certain things in place to get their kids off to school, picked up, etc and 2 weeks just isn’t enough time to find alternate childcare. What was the rush? Why can’t it wait till the new year?
I know many on here believe that the people saying that the 6-2 is coming are just conspiracy nuts but treats not it. This “theory” of 6-2 came from our union. They believe that ultimately that is what the city is going to do and they are going to use the consent decree obligations to get it. I can absolutely see it happening. Also, the city knows now after all of the complaints from the FOP and the past when we were having this schedule change in 2008 that if they ever brought back the 6-2 then you would have a mass exodus of older employees. I believe that’s exactly what they want. Older employees are paid more and “corrupt” the new generation. They want change in the department by tossing out the old guard and old experiences.
Then over here Joey Ferguson goes after the police again and again this is the same man that was given on a SilverPlatter the paperwork for the lieutenants cheaters couldn’t find anything there but boy he can find bullshit like this!
Chicago police misused placards to park for free near Bears, Cubs games, IG investigation finds
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/criminal-justice/ct-chicago-police-parking-placard-abuse-20191008-xci5xmsakbehhlf4zc26itdeca-story.html
The same guy who got a huge contract more money more staff how does that work you avoid doing something and you get more and more then you go after again the little people.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
I have a whole heck of a lot to blast the Department about. Merit, COPA, Department not defending officers in the media, etc. I sure don’t want my starting time changed, but I’m so fucking sick and tried about people bitching about what they “can’t work” or what they “have to work” as far as watch and start time. You took the test and accepted the position as a Police Officer. A job that operates 24 hours a day, seven days a week. You knew there were 3 shifts on the Police Department. Your employer, the Department, is not responsible and has no obligation to make sure you are able to drop or pick your kids up from school. Sorry but that’s the truth. This is a fucking job. And if you are on a watch by management, go fuck yourself. You accepted the job knowing your employer operated 3 shifts. Be grateful you got the watch you wanted. You have kids? Big fucking deal. You aren’t the first person to raise kids while on the Department. Policemen have had kids since the inception of the Department. You don’t have it so bad. We used to rotate watches every 28 days. Rotated through all 3 watches all year long. Figure it out. Pay for after school, a babysitter, grandparents, neighbors, whatever. We can complain, but quit bitching about how you’re getting screwed.
10/08/2019 01:01:00 AM
Go drink some more of the kool-aid u stroke. People like u are why there’s no unity on this department
10/08/2019 12:28:00 PM
No first comment is 110% correct, the job is what it is you knew that going in, your making a lot more money than anywhere else with that "kolledge," degree, you have to adapt, you would be crying like a little girl in moms basement where she would be warming up cookies and milk if they go back to 6-2 and rotating watches but then we had camaraderie and your word "unity!" Stroke!
This is all part of Groot’s divide and conquer plan.
She’s hellbent on bringing total destruction to CPD.
@101am. You aren’t necessarily wrong. But, just because we signed up for this job doesn’t mean that when we get treated poorly, we should just sit and say “well I signed up for this.” The department/city has a long history of not caring at all about the well being of its officers, the hot topic one now being police suicides. So when the department and the city continue to do things that makes work and life increasingly harder, increasingly more hostile, we shouldn’t just sit and say “I signed up for this”. That’s not what we signed up for. Just like I didn’t sign up to get shot at work. Like a fireman didn’t sign up to die in a fire. Just because you sign up for a job doesn’t mean you can be treated like trash, often times against a contract, all because we took a test to be here. You can sit there while the beatings continue and say “yes sir may I have another!!” But the rest of us don’t have to sit there all happy to be getting a beating with you.
Anonymous said...
Which job out in the real world revolves around somebody’s parenting schedule?
Babysitter?...
10/08/2019 05:59:00 AM
Exactly. Hire one.
@ 10/08/2019 08:39:00 AM
Guy, relax. I’ve counted I think 5 posts from you already, all of them almost word for word the same. And I haven’t even finished reading the comments yet, there might be more!! Chill out guy, or at least post something different if you’re going to post 5 fucking times. Chill out super hero, we get it, you’re super tough.
Blogger Together said...
Jobs in the real world offer four months maternity and paternity leave. Our leave time is atrocious.
10/08/2019 12:54:00 PM
We get 365 days of medical time. Start using it
Go drink some more of the kool-aid u stroke. People like u are why there’s no unity on this department
10/08/2019 12:28:00 PM
I agree with the original post. Way too much crying. 15-20 years ago the department would have officially told you to go check yourself and 90 % of your co workers would have laughed you out to a different district.
Jobs in the real world also don't offer 100K positions for one with limited educational and job skills. Oh yea 2 weeks vacation, no pensions anymore all 401k, marginal health care. Also serving at the pleasure of a boss that can fire you on a whim, 2% raises in a good year and none if things are slow. No overtime ifs salaried and 50 hour workweeks common with 50K salary. That my friend is the real job world. So how bad is your job?
Anonymous said...
I have a whole heck of a lot to blast the Department about. Merit, COPA, Department not defending officers in the media, etc. I sure don’t want my starting time changed, but I’m so fucking sick and tried about people bitching about what they “can’t work” or what they “have to work” as far as watch and start time. You took the test and accepted the position as a Police Officer. A job that operates 24 hours a day, seven days a week. You knew there were 3 shifts on the Police Department. Your employer, the Department, is not responsible and has no obligation to make sure you are able to drop or pick your kids up from school. Sorry but that’s the truth. This is a fucking job. And if you are on a watch by management, go fuck yourself. You accepted the job knowing your employer operated 3 shifts. Be grateful you got the watch you wanted. You have kids? Big fucking deal. You aren’t the first person to raise kids while on the Department. Policemen have had kids since the inception of the Department. You don’t have it so bad. We used to rotate watches every 28 days. Rotated through all 3 watches all year long. Figure it out. Pay for after school, a babysitter, grandparents, neighbors, whatever. We can complain, but quit bitching about how you’re getting screwed.
10/08/2019 01:01:00 AM
Go drink some more of the kool-aid u stroke. People like u are why there’s no unity on this department
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@ 0101 hrs
No! Go drink your baby formula! Act like a professional, this is a job! No wonder the public hates us! So-called public servants like you think and act better than everybody else. Learn to adjust and weather the storm.
graham was torn apart by members who once again saw through the fop bs. with 6 yrs on. you havn't seen the bs fop has told their members , ike the philadelphia plan, helth insuranc run by the union that won't cost the members anything. current fop leaders are bought and paid for by the city. don't beleive me look at past contract which divided the membership with benefits for some while screwing the rest of the membership. ask retirees who got screwed on health insurance cause fop was too stupid not to pin down specifics in writing or the absent letter which screwed fop members out of retro for two years. time to get rid of all of them.
its getting to the point that being a fair share member or no fop member looks better and better. why pay $600.00 a year union dues.
bs if the city wants to go back to 6-2 scedule all they have to do is institute a pilot program and there's nothing the fop can do about it. thats the real truth . fop rah rah boys and leaders want to snowball the current members to get elected again, quit lying tell the truth.
Ask parents? You mean the women that think they should be able to work days because they are moms? Violating contractual seniority bids, while people that have put their time in slug it on midnights or afternoons? Screw that. You took this job know it comes with an unstable oddball schedule yet you want to crank out kids so you can work inside or work days....no thanks. Entitlement is unbelievable....just like with swiping...the entitlement on this job is staggering
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Victimhood on this department is no different from the ghettos we despise! Its all about the individual thinking CPD is a side job. No wonder this department is easy pickings for vultures!
i agree , all past contracts screwed members and divided the members. toss them all out before they take everything away. ps now residency is /could be on the table where past fop administrations said it was impossible cause of state law . remeber that. another fop lie.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
6-2 is coming......Don't be surprised on the first day of the 1st period, 2020, 6-2 and old starting times will be implemented. When the 4-2 come in existence, the Department was fully staffed. Although asshole Rahm allegedly hired over 1000 new officers, we were down 2000-3000 Officers before he did that. I'm going to guess 500-700 retired in the last two years. With 6-2, more Officers will be on the street, and there will be no shortage of vehicles going back to previous starting times. Unfortunately starting times, etc is not a contractual matter. The Unfair Labor complaint will state just that. Get ready, it's co
WRONG
time to ask ken griffin of citidel fame to donate 20 million for new squad cars.
SCC, it's about time we had a mascot.
May I suggest a photoshopped Special Ed dressed in head
to toe Burberry, in tribute to his recent London visit.
'Cmon, geeks, get on it!
Anonymous said...
nothing but complaining. lets go back to 6&2 with rotating watches, it was fair, and not complicated.
No thanks..I earned my seniority to work 2nd watch
its comments like this that i will now tell anyone who asks not to pursue a chgo police officer position, that rigged promotion tests, rigged discipline punishments, favortism to bosses relatives, screw this place.
there is something u can do, its called the medical. find dr. winteroff or summeroff. we all know certain officers who are constantly on the medical for months and months every year. i bet that if 2500 officers hit the medical for a extended period of time after start times change ,things would change.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
nothing but complaining. lets go back to 6&2 with rotating watches, it was fair, and not complicated.
10/08/2019 07:55:00 AM
It was fair? I worked thru those days starting in the late 70's. If you were not a chosen one, picked up by a watch or on the shit list, (pre contract) you would find your DOG changing every period so no weekends. You could work ten days in a row. You might also bounce between third watch and mid-nights. Less personnel needed on days. But the watch parties............
thats not true, fop never asked or brought up residency, always tols the membership about a state law and other nonsense. residency was mentioned by graham at harrison. also said city wants to cancel 10hr day at area south, so he's looking for something to trade.
Most jobs in the real world allow to be off on weekends and holidays. A schedule so those who need to can pick up / drop off kids is a small bone they can throw its officers.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Which job out in the real world revolves around somebody’s parenting schedule?
Anonymous said...
This is a fucking job. And if you are on a watch by management, go fuck yourself. You accepted the job knowing your employer operated 3 shifts. Be grateful you got the watch you wanted. You have kids? Big fucking deal. You aren’t the first person to raise kids while on the Department.
Thank you. I'm sick of the I can't work that shift I have kids. Tough shit you signed up for this crap job so deal with the decision.
Get private sector job and work 9-5 instead of bitching or will that new job affect your childcare too. Plenty of people have kids and make it work you are not special.
10/08/2019 11:11:00 AM
Dont forget to make your child support payments to your ex wife that divorced your salty ass. It's not about the I cant work. Shit I spent a year in Afghanistan away from them all. It's the Dept not giving a shit about the working copper that drags their ass to court all day after a long nite, who barely sees his family to begin with. The tiny moments you have left are being fucked with. So take your holier than thou comment and fuck off.
There are only two solutions. One is to buy enough vehicles to accommodate the 4/2. The other is to revert back to revert back to 6/2. Pick your poison boys and girls. It’s either or when it comes to schedule. Can’t have it both ways. There just isn’t enough hours in the day.
Just wait till caps 2.0 comes to your district. There will be a whole fleet of cars for them. You heard it here first....!
It's the Dept not giving a shit about the working copper that drags their ass to court all day after a long nite
You just figured out the city and department doesn't care about you? Pretty easy solution stop giving a damn. Go to work for the 8 or 9 hours and go spend time with family. Stop getting late arrests for ghetto b.s that will be dropped. Or go back to school and get a new career.
To 11:11 am
How dare you assholes take that away. I missed my sons picture day the other day, because of this swiping nonsense. I have always helped him with his hair in the morning, because he is too little to do it right. Where was I? I was sitting with my thumbs up my ass waiting to swipe.
Here’s a novel idea...if it’s so damn important to you to fix junior’s hair, THEN TAKE A FUCKING HOUR OF TIME DUE. But no. What you’re saying is you want to fix junior’s hair AND get paid by the city to do it! People like you are what’s wrong with this department.
Off Topic:
I don’t think FOP should be kowtowing to this imbecile Groot expecting any genuine concern, fairness or favorable additions to our Contact or Work Schedule that Waller is pushing is his this plan, for his own benefit, and willing to sell his soul to the Groot. He’s just a SpecialEd Lite in a 16 oz. can.
Get a load of this: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/08/donald-trump-cheers-on-minneapolis-police-union-selling-cops-for-trump-t-shirts/
Caught a glimpse of Minneapolis PD (Lt. Bob Kroll) on FOX regarding a hissy fit their mayor is having because The President of the United States is coming to town Thursday, new rule won’t allow off duty PO’s to wear their uniforms to political events. They didn’t say if this new uniform ruling was in response to the POTUS announcing months ago to hold a campaign rally in Minn-StP but it sure sounds like something their mayor would do.
So they’re going to be wearing their specially designed red t-shirts “Cops for TRUMP” at the rally (currently sold out but will be available again soon at www.mpdfederation.com).
President Trump caught wind of the debacle and tweeted out the support for MPD and linked their POFM fundraising effort too.
Seems their union, Police Officers Federation of Minneapolis is taking a step up and pushing back on the arrogant, intolerant and easily triggered patsy mayor, who also wanted to shakedown the DJT Campaign for over $500,000 in security costs, when obama campaign only paid $12,000.
I
Anonymous said...
Jobs in the real world also don't offer 100K positions for one with limited educational and job skills. Oh yea 2 weeks vacation, no pensions anymore all 401k, marginal health care. Also serving at the pleasure of a boss that can fire you on a whim, 2% raises in a good year and none if things are slow. No overtime ifs salaried and 50 hour workweeks common with 50K salary. That my friend is the real job world. So how bad is your job?
10/08/2019 06:43:00 PM
Please tell me where to sign up for the job that pays $100,000 a year pension because it sure isn’t on the CPD unless you’re one of the highly connected that gets the goldbraid pension. Patrolmen only get 75% after 29 years of service. The superintendent and a few Chiefs and commanders may get $100,000 and they’re part of the reason the fund is hurting.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
6-2 is coming......Don't be surprised on the first day of the 1st period, 2020, 6-2 and old starting times will be implemented. When the 4-2 come in existence, the Department was fully staffed. Although asshole Rahm allegedly hired over 1000 new officers, we were down 2000-3000 Officers before he did that. I'm going to guess 500-700 retired in the last two years. With 6-2, more Officers will be on the street, and there will be no shortage of vehicles going back to previous starting times. Unfortunately starting times, etc is not a contractual matter. The Unfair Labor complaint will state just that. Get ready, it's co
WRONG
10/08/2019 07:08:00 PM
6-2 is not coming. It will destroy the department and they know it. With the change in start times the 4-2 works just fine
You wonder why Officers who have enough problems at home and are trying to just keep it together become desperate and become disconnected. For what its worth not that anyone is listening. Help us by not trying to change something that works. All you so called bosses who stole countless hours who now want to be LEGIT... You are going to be responsible for the officers who will be pushed to separation, divorce and ultimately the loss of what keeps us at home. Our families... Shame on you all for what you're doing to us. This swiping and start time changes will do nothing. Not a damn thing but hurt us outside of the job. I know were just peeons... I hope you dont sleep at night for what you're doing to the blue shirt.
A forgotten blue shirt...
Special Ed crush on Chickie Brown.
Ed, say it ain't so!
Man, some of you on here are complete jags. Not surprising you don’t have children. I’m sure absent of a love life too. And please, by all means, continue bending to all of the whims of this corrupt ass City and Department.
I listened to Graham in 011. The man is definitely fighting for us. Bashing each other's walk of life is absolutely stupid and self-defeating. These comments are dumb, belittling parents for being concerned about how the start time change will affect their home life plans, bitching about the younger POs that might live at home and have a more flexible schedule, attacking the OT whores. This job takes in many different lifestyles. There's plenty of ways to take advantage of each other's living situation. Passing on late jobs/arrests to the OT whores, letting the young POs take the inconvenient start times, etc. When you think of only yourself, you'll miss out on potential opportunities when you get fucked with some bullshit that, even though you signed up for this job and should technically be ready to do, you really don't want to fucking do. That kid living in his mom's basement that also is an ot whore might be willing to take that bonafide AGG CSA 15 minutes before checkoff off your hands. Then he will check the cash box and shove it to the city for forcing this swiping on us. Then, you can go home, be thankful your sleep schedule is temporarily unchanged, and talk shit about the kid on here when you wake up. Teamwork makes the dream work. If you can't remember your dreams, you might be sleep deprived.
Two words for scheduling........Management Rights.
After reading this I learned the following; I am a cop with kids, I suck. Great co-workers.
2300-0730 or 0000-0830
0700-1530 or 0800-1630 or 0900-1730 rapid
1500-2330 or 1600-0030 or 1700-0130 rapid
6 on 2 off.
If my memory is correct
Do people really think the city is going to let coppers live outside the city?!?? I’m pretty sure the city wants part of their money back from us and what better way then through property taxes. And I’m pretty sure they are changing these times around to screw with us and not to save money. All mind games.
Just remember to swipe in and out at the same location. Officers are getting red flagged already. Someone is definitely watching this swiping bullshit. You never hear tact officers go down on lunch. Some tried swiping in at 0900 and swiping out at 1730 and that shit didn’t last one week. Everyone is getting screwed over. No one cares. This department is changing and things will only continue to worsen. I feel bad for those newer Officers. The only way to strike is for every district to come in with 0’s at the end of their tours. Good luck everyone. Hopefully this all goes away...
Bring all the kids to 025. Problem solved.
Knock it off with bs!! We’re not going back to 6-2!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I’m tired of people complaining about what they can or can’t work. What about majority of people who work 9-5. They have family, baby sitters pick up or take their kids to school. Not an employers problem.
10/08/2019 09:19:00 AM
Right, they work 9-5 M-F. That’s what they were told when they took the took the job and it STAYS that way. They don’t have days off cancelled, work every holiday, work a 24hr shift because they grabbed an armed robber, go to court on off time, have hours switched because of mandatory useless training, bounce back and forth between a late car, early car or late rapid because some screws the sheets up everyday, and so on and so on.
All you legal experts who believe the City can just implement the old 6-2 schedule without negotiating it need to go back to law school. You are talking out of you collective asses.
Time for a history lesson boys and girls. The 4-2 schedule is a part of our contract because the City and FOP reached an agreement on it. As such, the only ways it can be eliminated is either by agreement or by an arbitration award if we go to arbitration for a new contract. If the City had the ability to just change anything in our contract, why has every contract, except for the last one been decided by an arbitrator?
The FOP isn’t going to agree to go back to a 6-2 schedule and as one astute writer wrote earlier an arbitrator will tell the City if they want it they’ll have to negotiate it.
I can’t believe how stupid some of you are.
So, how do these changes improve anything?
It ain’t broke, so don’t fix it.
This move is purely to mess with the troops.
Who is advising her on how to screw with us, I wonder...
"...I'm sure absent of a love life too..."
I can help!
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Anonymous said...
2300-0730 or 0000-0830
0700-1530 or 0800-1630 or 0900-1730 rapid
1500-2330 or 1600-0030 or 1700-0130 rapid
6 on 2 off.
If my memory is correct
10/08/2019 10:30:00 PM
You are correct.
Forgot to mention a perk of that schedule: two 3 day weekends. One week off Friday Saturday Sunday. Next week Saturday Sunday Monday.
I’m tired of people complaining about what they can or can’t work. What about majority of people who work 9-5. They have family, baby sitters pick up or take their kids to school. Not an employers problem.
10/08/2019 09:19:00 AM
Right, they work 9-5 M-F. That’s what they were told when they took the took the job and it STAYS that way. They don’t have days off cancelled, work every holiday, work a 24hr shift because they grabbed an armed robber, go to court on off time, have hours switched because of mandatory useless training, bounce back and forth between a late car, early car or late rapid because some screws the sheets up everyday, and so on and so on.
How do those 9-5 people take and drop off their kids at school and deal with half days and holidays? No way they can do both, lucky if one when you consider travel time
Maybe everyone could put in a two from and list their family and personal needs and hours they would be available to work. Then the CPD could arrange its needs to accommodate everyone.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
2300-0730 or 0000-0830
0700-1530 or 0800-1630 or 0900-1730 rapid
1500-2330 or 1600-0030 or 1700-0130 rapid
6 on 2 off.
If my memory is correct
10/08/2019 10:30:00 PM
You are correct.
Forgot to mention a perk of that schedule: two 3 day weekends. One week off Friday Saturday Sunday. Next week Saturday Sunday Monday.
10/09/2019 09:42:00 AM
Yes, but 6/2 was rough, and I burned a lot of comp time with it compared to the 4/2. Also, seemed like more shit happened by your sixth day, don’t know if it was proven, but heard that maybe because of being tired or aggravated by sixth day there were more cr#’s.
To 11:11 am
How dare you assholes take that away. I missed my sons picture day the other day, because of this swiping nonsense. I have always helped him with his hair in the morning, because he is too little to do it right. Where was I? I was sitting with my thumbs up my ass waiting to swipe.
Here’s a novel idea...if it’s so damn important to you to fix junior’s hair, THEN TAKE A FUCKING HOUR OF TIME DUE. But no. What you’re saying is you want to fix junior’s hair AND get paid by the city to do it! People like you are what’s wrong with this department.
10/08/2019 08:21:00 PM
Couldn't agree more. Swiping sucks, but quit being a cheap SOB and take an hour on the end. We get 100+ hours on the books naturally every year from holidays. If you need more, quit checking the fuckin money box. Time off is just as important as money, if for nothing else then for your mental health just to get away from this shithole for an hour, or day, or week.
I’m tired of people complaining about what they can or can’t work. What about majority of people who work 9-5. They have family, baby sitters pick up or take their kids to school. Not an employers problem.
10/08/2019 09:19:00 AM
Does your normal 9-5 office job include working nights,weekends, and holidays? If not then STFU.
Singed not a cop.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
To 11:11 am
How dare you assholes take that away. I missed my sons picture day the other day, because of this swiping nonsense. I have always helped him with his hair in the morning, because he is too little to do it right. Where was I? I was sitting with my thumbs up my ass waiting to swipe.
Here’s a novel idea...if it’s so damn important to you to fix junior’s hair, THEN TAKE A FUCKING HOUR OF TIME DUE. But no. What you’re saying is you want to fix junior’s hair AND get paid by the city to do it! People like you are what’s wrong with this department.
Everything is so important when you are getting paid, but less important if you have to use some time. I imagine you wouldn’t be upset if you were taken to an ER and had to wait a few hours because the doctor and nurse was combing their kids hair for a school picture or your flight was two hours late taking off because the pilot and flight attendant were combing the kids hair.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Maybe everyone could put in a two from and list their family and personal needs and hours they would be available to work. Then the CPD could arrange its needs to accommodate everyone.
10/09/2019 12:05:00 PM
Dont laugh. I've seen a couple people actually do that. Along with a list of people they would or would not work with. Seriously.
If so many people work "9-5" then why is there so much damn traffic from 0600-1000 & 1300-2000?!?! ALWAYS stuck in traffic some time or another.
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