Ask and Ye Shall Receive
In the comments earlier yesterday:
- Anonymous said... Shit...watch bids are due tomorrow, and these jackasses refuse to tell us what the start times will be. That's beyond incompetence, that's intentional.
And late Wednesday, the previously released draft has become the new policy (click for larger versions):
The FOP promptly filed an unfair labor practice.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
87 Comments:
I don’t understand how we work an 8.5 hour shift with .5 unpaid for lunch, yet, are on the books for 9 hours? I’m not a genius but that math doesn’t add up. Why aren’t we getting that extra .5 in OT every night?
Of course 1st watch is fucked. By this idotic logic you're essentially leaving late midnight cars, sometimes only 2 or 3 potentially by themselves while strategy is discussed? How about in the heat of summer, when savages don't sleep. Yeah let's potentially burnout every 1st car with late jobs because strategy is being talked about from the wasted money room. Just when you think this place can't get any more retarded. Remember kiddies this department cares about your well being, it's ok not to be okay. Something tells me during the summer time I'll be feeling I'll and not okay
10 years retired asks:
Each beat has a vehicle assigned it across all three watches.
That's the way it suppose to be since 1971 when I started.
Don't like the assigned vehicle, get it fixed & take a pool car.
Don't want a pool car, deal with the assigned vehicle.
I don't understand why the dept needs to change the primary cars start times.
7-330, 8-430, etc, etc also worked since 1971.
What magic management improvements will this generate? Why are they doing this?
I see a problem with 2nd &1st watches attending court with this change.
2nd watch will go down for court immediately after roll call or get tied up something and have to be excused.
First watch POs could be exhausted and just say fuck it and take the deviation.
(Those who wrote this order never attended court, obviously.)
It seems to me that the dept is just fucking with patrol because they can.
Hopefully, this won’t affect me.
Ditto...
Whoever came up with that modified roll procedures can shove it
where the sun don’t shine! I’m not talking to anyone from the previous
watch about crime patterns (lol) or anything else . 45 minute roll calls,
weapon inspections or uniform inspections, hahaha; good luck with that!
Nobody cares and you can’t make me care! I’m gonna won an academy
award for my acting like I care! Inspect yourself, what a bunch of creeps.
lol the same car assigned ---they dont have enough vehicles as it is and the maintenance sucks even if they got those vehicles within 6 months vehicles will be swapped. and imagine the 2 year wonders who are driving a hunk of shit (prolly assigned as a rapid car with 75k miles on it) the whining will never stop.
What about specialized units and the D unit? will they stop renting the nissans and give them actual cars with lights and sirens? Hypothetically if i were hurrying to pick up the kids after school and a nissan began honking their horn while holding a metallic object out the window, i know i'd never stop.
This city does stuff on the cheap from computers that dont work to ceilings that leak unknown liquid on you and god only knows what kind of mold in there.
It appears that the dept. has covered its butt regarding change of start times in the order.
FOP can file all the unfair labor practice grievances it wants, it looks like they'll lose that one.
uniform I'm not the grea8est speller but even I no to start a sentence with a Capital letter :) also what's this 'decentralized' training?
I hope this includes the civilian desk personnel who take lunch at the end. Just as it gets busy ours gets up and walks away.
If the FOP has to continuously file an unfair labor practice lawsuit because the dept and the city refuse to negotiate fairly, why are we not in arbitration yet. Quit with the bs that the fop is looking out for its members. file arbitration already. when is the next fop election?
The city will do whatever it wants to do and Union can file all the injunction and everything they want there’s nothing contractual about this. Then we have overhear this story sounds kind of boneheaded when you read the story it sounds intentional more like not paying attention be careful out there;
https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/woman-hit-by-cpd-vehicle-in-south-shore
God bless the police the news media will do anything and everything to slant the story against the police.
No Rapids or 06 / mission cars on 2nd watch?
Thanks for fucking my childcare up.
Officer well-being my ass. Fuck you Chicago.
SIMPLETON
whoever came up with this idea has a tiny bit of college but NO management skills.
With driving skills lacking and cars not fixed quickly where are these extra cars at?
your telling me the City is paying 1 hour every day every shift to sit in a roll call
how much waste is that? Did ferguson approve this waste? Did the same asshat who wanted district closed come up with this?
HOW about issue beat tags to each person on a car. If they lose it they pay for it.
If they dont have it on top of the cars verbal warninig first time and suspension 2nd time.
Could you imagine if you hired a painter and he told you he has to talk about what he is painting for 1 hour?EACH work day
Lots of money wasted on the CAMERA rooms yet you still have to direct them to actually do work! How about burning those video minutes after it happens? How about getting those video to the DICKs within an hour?
MY kid can stream across the planet in minutes showing his Fortnite skill why does it take weeks to alert the city about pervert and smash and grab shoplifters?
HERES a free one
everybody has that SHITTY phone have each district create a members only site so they can post every alert and news they wish every person that WORKS need to know!
I know to complicated...
Oh man, assigned cars? What will all the 2 year wonders who arrive at work an hour and a half early to get a “good car” do now? Cross your fingers you get a brand new car kids. God forbid your car doesn’t have a plate reader or a radio!
So last year Graham allowed the city to switch change day from Sunday back to Thursday without getting anything in return and now he’s going to give up this with nothing in return. What has he accomplished in the last three years?
These are the exact same start times we used for decades. Personally, I don't have a problem with the change, as it eliminates both the car and personnel overlap problems inherent in the current schedule. But that's just my opinion. I'm sure others will despise the changes.
Long story short... under "management rights" the Department has the absolute right to dictate shift start times. This is a loser for FOP all day long.
Does the department still have beat tags?
Sounds good. More cocktail time for third watch raiders.
Definitely can agree with the car situation because so many coppers use other cars and you’re complete Assholes, drumsticks under the seat cigarette burns, and whoever keeps Cutting the steering wheels Really should Be terminated and made to pay for it. Then the other group of coppers who think they are race car drivers racing over everything breaking the car is smashing the cars and then there first ones to bitch when the heat don’t work or when the air conditioning is not functioning. Look how filthy most of the cars are copper they are so lazy they can’t even take them to get them washed and the second watch.
As far as the hours the city is allowed to do that you took this job you understand how the job works you miss holidays your shift schedule changed we’re paid very well that’s how it works stop the millennial crybaby bullshit OK guys. We have so many copperson the job that are spoiled never had a real job on in their life. You went to college you partied got drunk for four years got a degree that means nothing you’re on this job mom and dad went into debt to pay your college loans and now you’re here so now you’re going to cry grow up.
So I catch Eddie slumped over the wheel. Making him retire and hoping the new schedule and swipes go away. NOPE still all there. Smh.
In our district the SDSC officers are considered desk personnel are have their start time remain unchanged. Additionally, they never attend and basically have no responsibilities. FOP, please make this a bid spot.
Anonymous said...
It appears that the dept. has covered its butt regarding change of start times in the order.
FOP can file all the unfair labor practice grievances it wants, it looks like they'll lose that one.
11/14/2019 03:23:00 AM
How so? It’s the same fucking order that was previously put out. Nothing has been changed. I’ll wait for it to be addressed rather than make assumptions.......you hand job. You said the same thing at roll call, talking and bragging about how effective it’s going to be. How beat cops should just shut up and deal with it because the minds putting this together know more than the beat cop ever will. Tell us again how how beat cops should just take their lumps, get activity, answer calls, and keep their know nothing mouth shuts. You truly are, and have been for sometime, turning into one of the biggest suck ass company man bosses on this job, LT j. Cascone. You are always willing to throw good coppers under the bus for your own benefit, the true CPD way.
Order sounds like it was drafted by a 3rd grader.
relax everybody im sure the desk dollies and the commanders buddies will still come in late and leave early
What great timing, watch selections had to be in by yesterday!!! What a fucked up department
Can't wait to talk about what I had for lunch for 15 minutes to the new crew.
Can’t wait to do more nothing a work.
Is there any reasonable explanation to the constant time changes...... why does incompetency immediately come to mind?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Whoever came up with that modified roll procedures can shove it
where the sun don’t shine! I’m not talking to anyone from the previous
watch about crime patterns (lol) or anything else . 45 minute roll calls,
weapon inspections or uniform inspections, hahaha; good luck with that!
Nobody cares and you can’t make me care! I’m gonna won an academy
award for my acting like I care! Inspect yourself, what a bunch of creeps.
I give you the self entitled of the CPD. Embarrassing.
If you read closely it specifies that desk personnel cannot take the .5 hour lunch at the end of tour. Why’s it specifying desk personnel? I was under the presumption it was all of us including patrol cars. Does anyone else read this as implicitly allowing lunch at the end for beat cars?
What’s old is new again! Same crap different year
For someone that was with cpd for around 7 years and most of it on 1st watch this new schedule once again screws 1st watch
I've been on 12s for two years and it's so much better then the b.s Chicago uses. You guys should really fight for 12s
1st watch will be taking the brunt of the skrewing by a mgt team that has never worked 1st watch. Good job.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I hope this includes the civilian desk personnel who take lunch at the end. Just as it gets busy ours gets up and walks away.
11/14/2019 05:40:00 AM
That's on your desk sgt & w/c
10 years retired asks:
Each beat has a vehicle assigned it across all three watches.
That's the way it suppose to be since 1971 when I started.
Don't like the assigned vehicle, get it fixed & take a pool car.
Don't want a pool car, deal with the assigned vehicle.
I don't understand why the dept needs to change the primary cars start times.
7-330, 8-430, etc, etc also worked since 1971.
What magic management improvements will this generate? Why are they doing this?
I see a problem with 2nd &1st watches attending court with this change.
2nd watch will go down for court immediately after roll call or get tied up something and have to be excused.
First watch POs could be exhausted and just say fuck it and take the deviation.
(Those who wrote this order never attended court, obviously.)
It seems to me that the dept is just fucking with patrol because they can.
Agree with your 2nd watch comment about court, not 1st watch comment. Who’s going to take deviations fist it’s oral reprimand, then written then days off. Never going to happen. No ones taking time because they are “exhausted”
Ok so the 15 minutes on the end for Face to Face relief is the dispatchers gonna be made aware
No more late jobs because I have to go to check off and communicate with the next guys and check
Off so the Sargent can get the fuck outta der?
Great I’m sick and tired of late fist watch cars taking taking early cars
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I don’t understand how we work an 8.5 hour shift with .5 unpaid for lunch, yet, are on the books for 9 hours? I’m not a genius but that math doesn’t add up. Why aren’t we getting that extra .5 in OT every night?
11/14/2019 12:54:00 AM
No, you're obviously not a genius.
Martin Preib 1st Vice President cares, that's about it. Graham and the rest of them dont care about us at all. They want that money and cushy spot. We will start seeing them at roll calls, trying to bullshit us. I haven't seen anyone but Preib do anything for us! You dont see or hear from them until election time, vote the rest of them out of office.
So whats the big deal?
so your work day goes from 8.5 to 9.5 hrs a day with no extra compensation?
When I came on the job, the WC would hold roll call and inspection every night as we stood up. He would wear his blouse and cap. Seems things just fell by the wayside. I see the police on the streets now and they look just plain awful. Maybe should go back to the old days and if your uniform was lousy and you looked lousy you got a warning, then a day off. Come prepared to work and stop the bitching like a bunch of high school girls.
Can morale get any lower?
The morons that come up with this shit obviously never worked the streets. Why re-invent the wheel? If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
Even though FOP President Kevin Graham was able to stop this when it first came out back in October, we all knew it was probably going to happen next year. Now FOP will fight it but it’s not unreasonable for the city to make the changes and it’s probably going to stand. Now it’s time for FOP to file for arbitration regarding our long expired contract.
Back in the 80’s every Wednesday was weapon inspection at rollcall. I suspect that faded out because of the merit promotions. These meri5 supervisors cant figure out how to hold and inspect a weapon or too scared.
also what's this 'decentralized' training?
11/14/2019 05:11:00 AM
Needle point and waffle making classes in the EVT "quiet room."
The Merit has left the brains trusts alone and this is what happens.
They shouldn’t have dumped all those boxes of Operations orders from the ‘70’s when they moved out of 1121 S. State.
I remember Leroy Martin coming back from LAPD info tour with a master restructuring plan that never panned out.
Now they’re trying to rework a butchered 1999 CAPS II system originally derived from the ‘93 Rodriguez Together We Can era...that again, won’t cut it.
Makes you wonder how the Post Office can manage operations Mon -Sat, doesn't it.
Besides, our parking lots can’t handle more idled vehicles and radio rooms don’t have enough extension cords for battery chargers.
Just go back to Watch rotation, strat cars and civilianize the Admin spots...everything old is new again.
Oh no, I don’t do 45 minutes of roll call.
I sure hope there’s still time to Bid for a House Mouse position.
The random hours seem to mostly fit my schedule except on Tuesdays and Fridays before 3 day holiday weekends.
I never thought this job would blow like it does now.
168 days to go.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I don’t understand how we work an 8.5 hour shift with .5 unpaid for lunch, yet, are on the books for 9 hours? I’m not a genius but that math doesn’t add up. Why aren’t we getting that extra .5 in OT every night?
11/14/2019 12:54:00 AM
Ladies and gentlemen, above poster is your new merit supervisor. Enjoy.
People will still work for these clowns, that’s the sad part.
They should check with the Capitalization Police.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Anonymous said...
I don’t understand how we work an 8.5 hour shift with .5 unpaid for lunch, yet, are on the books for 9 hours? I’m not a genius but that math doesn’t add up. Why aren’t we getting that extra .5 in OT every night?
11/14/2019 12:54:00 AM
I am assuming you went to a public school because math is not your strong suit.
Guess 1st and 2nd watch won't be attending St. Jude. Swipe out at 7am. No way possible to get to St. Jude with traffic and parking.
Typical CPD jam it down your throat fashion.
(OT) Another school shooting in California and you’re in Chicago they want to remove Chicago police officers from the school system what kind of crazy world we live in? Also today the moronic teachers are voting on their contract if they don’t vote for they will go back on strike and really who cares they don’t teach the kids with their supposed to be tired anyway they make way too much money for a little bit of work they do. The mayor definitely coward to then she showed her weakness I talk to fraternal order of police in our contract gets us at least a 16% raise.
Anonymous said...
I hope this includes the civilian desk personnel who take lunch at the end. Just as it gets busy ours gets up and walks away.
11/14/2019 05:40:00 AM
***Before you shoot of your mouth, know 2 things (1) Civilians are NOT bound by our contract and (2) Civilians are on a 6-2 schedule...so STFU!
"It's not a schedule change because we're not calling it that." oh ok
Does this make it easier for them to transition back to the 6-2 schedule?
This has Lemmers prints all over it. What should be done is just go to 12 hr shifts. Start times would be 0600-1800, 0700-1900, 0800-2000 hrs. for Days and nights would be 1800-0600 hrs, 1900-0700 hrs, 2000-0800 hrs. That’s it...... Desk crews would be 0700-1900 hrs and 1900-0700 hrs....
Anonymous said...
So last year Graham allowed the city to switch change day from Sunday back to Thursday without getting anything in return and now he’s going to give up this with nothing in return. What has he accomplished in the last three years?
11/14/2019 07:06:00 AM
You are either new on the job or just clueless as to how things work. FOP doesn’t make management decisions for the city. There’s no judge or referee on call that the can rule on issues like this. There’s a process to fight it. The city does what they want and FOP fights it. Changing the period change day is not something FOP has control over. It’s not unreasonable to make the change. If you were paying attention President Kevin Graham did get the city to hold off on the hour change and is fighting it now. Kevin Graham has been more vocal than anyone else, being on TV and in print media in our behalf.
So what other city's PD did this horseshit come in from?
If we're copying other consent decree departments, then why are we still stuck living here?
NYPD, LAPD anyone?
And before anyone starts up with "you knew the conditions when you signed on" or "it's too expensive in the suburbs anyway," THAT'S NOT THE F*CKING POINT! We should have the freedom to live where we want LIKE EVERY OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IN THE COUNTRY!
Funny how the powers that be pick and choose what they import from other Police Departments.
12 hour day schedule for lifting Residency requirement. Enough pussyfooting FOP.
If the City cries, offer to have officers agree to live here the first 10 years otj, then they can opt to move out.
Seriously, just throw Residency in front of the Arbitrator with this schedule change and the rest of the contract so he can compare to other departments and see what happens.
Anonymous said...
I don’t understand how we work an 8.5 hour shift with .5 unpaid for lunch, yet, are on the books for 9 hours? I’m not a genius but that math doesn’t add up. Why aren’t we getting that extra .5 in OT every night?
11/14/2019 12:54:00 AM
Catholic school math at its best
Anonymous said...
The morons that come up with this shit obviously never worked the streets. Why re-invent the wheel? If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
11/14/2019 12:21:00 PM
It is broken.........
Nope, FOP promptly began planning their summer golf outing.
They have no teeth when it comes to being pushed around by the city.
***Before you shoot of your mouth, know 2 things (1) Civilians are NOT bound by our contract and (2) Civilians are on a 6-2 schedule...so STFU!
I agree with the STFU comment 100%. But by the way the city is acting towards us and manipulating us oh, it seems pretty obvious to me that they don't believe that they are bound by our contract either. Any labor attorney worth his salt would be spearheading a complete overhaul. These BOPswould never hit the system. There is nobody that can liaise between patrol and the union. Mlas is fucking benign. Isn't that obvious.
I give you the self entitled of the CPD. Embarrassing.
11/14/2019 09:29:00 AM
I didn't write the original comment you responded to but I agree with most of it. Who the fuck wants a 45 minute roll call?! The worst part of my day is roll call and check off.
"HOW about issue beat tags to each person on a car. If they lose it they pay for it.
If they dont have it on top of the cars verbal warninig first time and suspension 2nd time."
Okay.....how about they just get rid of beat tags??? Those stupid fucking things have absolutely no purpose whatsoever!
Anonymous said...
I don’t understand how we work an 8.5 hour shift with .5 unpaid for lunch, yet, are on the books for 9 hours? I’m not a genius but that math doesn’t add up. Why aren’t we getting that extra .5 in OT every night?
11/14/2019 12:54:00 AM
I am assuming you went to a public school because math is not your strong suit.
11/14/2019 01:38:00 PM
No kidding. Go back to fourth grade
Tact in 011 was on standby for a mass exodus back to the watches without warning. Didn't get their watch bid slips until last minute......probably prefilled out with "4th" and "No bid"
Going to be interesting to see them reverse seniority with first day off probation officers
Anonymous said...
Can morale get any lower?
You know some will look at that as a challenge.
Tact in 009 have not received their bid slips. Where in the fuck are they???
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This has Lemmers prints all over it. What should be done is just go to 12 hr shifts. Start times would be 0600-1800, 0700-1900, 0800-2000 hrs. for Days and nights would be 1800-0600 hrs, 1900-0700 hrs, 2000-0800 hrs. That’s it...... Desk crews would be 0700-1900 hrs and 1900-0700 hrs....
Take your 12 hr day and shove it up your ass. I don’t care if you’re off a few more days a year. I don’t want to be here for the 8.5 (now 9) we’re here for right now. 6-6, 7-7? Are you kidding? Get done at 6, home around 6:30-6:45, and in bed in a couple of hours because you have to get up by 5am? Fuck that shit. The alternative, 6p-6a? Get home by 7, try to sleep during the day, only to get up and do it over again? No. Fuck that. Talk about missing shit at home with the family.
The FLOP will once again put the department on notice. 🥴
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Anonymous said...
I don’t understand how we work an 8.5 hour shift with .5 unpaid for lunch, yet, are on the books for 9 hours? I’m not a genius but that math doesn’t add up. Why aren’t we getting that extra .5 in OT every night?
Mr. Blutow......Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through college
Wow Little Jimmy Cascone turned into a company man.
Hey slick go get your shine box. Sorry to hear that you drank the koolaid.
Old 001 Tact
If you have under 10 years get out now! You have departments taking laterals. You do not owe this city anything. Try to find somewhere that values you. You will never mean anything to this department or this city, other than a number or number producer. There is life outside CPD.
It doesn't matter what you do or how many officers you have..... if morale is low and the officers feel
like the dept. doesn't have their back or that they feel that they will get thrown under the bus...
.... they have no motivation but to do the minimum....
residency? this should not even be an issue. where the fuck you going to live? Texas is still too close to Illinois.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This has Lemmers prints all over it. What should be done is just go to 12 hr shifts. Start times would be 0600-1800, 0700-1900, 0800-2000 hrs. for Days and nights would be 1800-0600 hrs, 1900-0700 hrs, 2000-0800 hrs. That’s it...... Desk crews would be 0700-1900 hrs and 1900-0700 hrs....
Take your 12 hr day and shove it up your ass. I don’t care if you’re off a few more days a year. I don’t want to be here for the 8.5 (now 9) we’re here for right now. 6-6, 7-7? Are you kidding? Get done at 6, home around 6:30-6:45, and in bed in a couple of hours because you have to get up by 5am? Fuck that shit. The alternative, 6p-6a? Get home by 7, try to sleep during the day, only to get up and do it over again? No. Fuck that. Talk about missing shit at home with the family.
11/14/2019 08:54:00 PM
Ahh, the wonderful 12 hour day. Sure the days you work are completely useless for the reason you stated but we get a 3 days off every other weekend. It is wonderful for time with the family. Add two comp days during that 3 day weekend and you now have a week off to spend with your family. Or do what Cook County sheriff police do, 10 hour days, where they get every other weekend be a 4 day weekend.
Talk about missing shit at home with the family.
I miss way less then I ever did in Chicago. You burn less time on 12s. I have 9 days off coming off using only 2 days.
I would never ever go back to 8s or 9s
Anonymous said...
12 hour day schedule for lifting Residency requirement. Enough pussyfooting FOP.
If the City cries, offer to have officers agree to live here the first 10 years otj, then they can opt to move out.
Seriously, just throw Residency in front of the Arbitrator with this schedule change and the rest of the contract so he can compare to other departments and see what happens
Nothing will happen. Since the first CPD union was started the troops wanted residency. This isn’t a unique idea. Plus even if arbitrator gave us seniority, city council wouldn’t approve the contract. That’s what happens when you don’t have binding arbitration
Fist watch? Is that code?
Get rid of beat tags? No way! There always the best ice scrapers the department ever had.
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