Groot to Break the Law
One of our white shirt readers sends along this interesting bit of news from the PBPA unions - Groot is pushing hard to violate State Law and will be throwing a tantrum if she doesn't get her way:
- You're going to love this one. We got a letter from the union the other day and it says:
Mayor Lightfoot actually appeared and testified on behalf of the city during one meeting. [...] The city is still stressing that the contract allow for the taking of anonymous [complaints] and also doing away with the signed affidavit. She also mentioned that if the contract does not include allowing anonymous [complaints] she will urge the city council to vote down the arbitrator's contract proposal.
[...] It is continuously brought up that it is Illinois state law to have a signed affidavit for police complaints and a labor contract could not supersede state law.
So Groot wants the white shirts to sign off on surrendering what was one of the greatest discipline reforms in history. The PBPA would be morons to even consider it and we'd be surprised if they did. The FOP isn't going to budge and the entire mess would end up in Court in short order with Groot on the losing end. It's black letter law and you'd think a lawyer would know that.
Labels: contract stuff
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
75 Comments:
Especially a lawyer who worked at IPRA. She’s a special kind of stupid.
Lori Lightfoot is a lawyer in title only.
She was a check of a box for wherever she worked.
She is applying Alinsky tactics to continue to drag out contract negotiations and ratification. It's nothing but moving the goal posts in order to facilitate a stalling technique. She doesn't want to have to pay salary increases and retroactive pay, period, full stop. In my opinion, there will be no contract for AT LEAST another 2 years.
I don't think groot was ever much of a lawyer.
Proof groot is no 'attorney'; just another affirmative action criminal justice piece of shit.
I'm already denied the right to live where I want. I have to register my guns with the City. Now, I'm to be denied my Constitutional right to face my accuser?
Take your anonymous complaints pandering gambit and shove it.
We know she's not our friend, or even neutral towards us. We should be fighting very dirty right now. As in, doing off-duty surveillance on these City councilmen, judges, etc., even the Mayor, investigating, doing whatever it takes to find the dirt that exists on these clowns and refer it to the Feds and the news.
Make our presentation of evidence so ironclad, it can't be denied or covered up.
The Chicago Police Dept is forbidden by City statute to investigate City councilmen. But that doesn't prevent officers and detectives conducting investigations and surveillance on their own time, off duty, and not using Dept resources, purely in an evidence-collecting capacity.
Who would pay for such investigating? Well, I can't think of a better use for our dues than bringing about the downfall of our political enemies by paying investigators to catch these rotten politicians en flagrante. We can't sway elections, our numbers are too few against the allied mass of progressive twit enablers and the perpetually aggrieved poverty pimps.
But we just may have the power to clean up this town in another way, through enforcement of the law.
Read the book that just came out about the Bidens. If a civilian author can uncover such fuckery, imagine what some righteously-motivated Chicago police detectives can accomplish by turning their attentions to the activities of our duly elected legislators and judges.
The only way Chicago is saved is by destroying the Machine. The only way to destroy the Machine is to force the individuals who comprise the Machine to leave politics or catch them dirty and throw them in prison.
Ponder.
Just do not cave and let the unions say, "Ok, we will allow it if there is a change in law." Be sure of one thing, they are already waiting to change the law to get rid of it at the state level.
This is a right, and not one to be negotiated away, not matter what the law says.
I really must take my hat off the SCC. This blog is the only way politicians get the straight information of their failures.
The push to Liberal insanity comes with serious quality of life issues. Working against traditional law and order takes productive taxpayers down the road to deceit, despair and doom.
If I were a youngster today the Chicago Police Department would be the last place I’d want to work. I’m proud of the work I did during better times, but I’m heartbroken for the young men and women subjected to non-stop abuse because of bizarre policies.
To survive, today’s new breed must recognize the situation is hopeless and simply stand down.
Investigative journalism is dead in America and today but in Chicago SCC has performed a great and needed service for over a decade exposing corruption, incompetence and mismanagement.
The taxpayers are benefiting from SCC. Without SCC those politicians and bureaucrats would be totally unchecked.
It’s time for cops to support SCC’s fine journalism financially.
Just another tool she wants the community and COPA to use to fuck over the police. Remove protections one brick at a time till there are legal/civil right protections. Sounds like a return to pre-union days.
“She also mentioned that if the contract does not include allowing anonymous [complaints] she will urge the city council to vote down the arbitrator's contract proposal.”
So the members of the city council are supposed to represent your interests not the mayor’s interests. If what is in the post is true we need to call our council members who were elected by us and voice our concerns. And maybe a mass petition delivered to the council.
why is the five (or seven) year rule which was negotiated into the contract with the city and obviously violated not a class action lawsuit for all officers affected ?
The city only reacts when $ is at stake.
hat malignant little dwarf isn't a lawyer, she's a social justice warrior and you damn well better accede to her demands because she and her ilk have their totalitarian demands you must comply with. Laws and traditions be damned!
This is not surprising. When the affidavit became law, Lightfoot was vehemently against signed affidavits being included as part of a CR investigation packet. She said it would discourage complainants from coming forward if they were required to swear, under penalty of law, the truthfulness of their complaint.
Though there is documentation of false complainants made with signed affidavits, I am not aware of any complainant being criminally prosecutedd.
Gee, I could be mistaken, but I think I’ve heard all these pols take oaths to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Illinois. This would include upholding the law. Matters involving the contract? The contract IS law.
C'mon were talking about "Smart" and then their is
"Groot".. a HUGE difference. She must have went to the same Sally Struthers School of Law like Foxxx did!!!
Don't underestimate the selfishness and stupidity of Sgt union leaders
She told us directly to our face in a promotion class when she was in charge of OPS/IRPA/COPA whatever the hell we were calling it then that there was no need for the affidavit. The number of frivolous complaints were were extremely low..... Yeah right
A "good" lawyer would know that.
For clarification..................the reason this issue is at arbitration is because PBPA did NOT agree to drop the affidavit as the city requested. The position of the union is that the state law is to be maintained.
When two sides do not agree on an issue it goes to an arbitrator who then makes a decision that is binding. The union would never agree to dropping this matter.
This city and others already violate federal law (illegal immigrants) SO now they are always going to see how many more laws they are above. Just like the demorats say about President Trump
Lying Lori the racist machine scum phony reformer has no interest in the rule of law. Today in the Slum Times Tom Schuba reports that Lori has told the CEO of CHA to individually investigate each pot violation in cha property even though it is expressly forbidden by federal law. Translation....let the permanent victim class people and folks smoke all the pot they want in exchange for dummycrat votes. Lori has made it totally clear that she will do everything and anything to allow the free shit community to violate any law, not pay any fine, as long as they vote democrat. It’s the fault of the police and poverty.
Pbpa...joke just like fop. They settle the money and without consulting members and sit on the rest for arbitration. Makes no sense. Just like the last fop contract when angelo sold out the new kids... i say dont sell your sole for retro or fear of not getting "as much".
The sworn affidavit was the best thing Blago signed into law.
He was as crooked as Forrest Gump’s spine as a child, but at least he helped coppers out with that law
Why isn't the fact that our corrupt Alderman cant have an anonymous complaint filed against them mentioned ALL THE TIME when the issue of them being filed against us is brought up? Fuck these double standard assholes
Quid Pro Quo???
She doesn't realize how smart you coppers really are.
If this ever comes to pass, I'm sure you're smart enough to "spoil the soup" & inundate IAD, COPRA & the brass with thousands of "anonymous" complaints on every officer in the dept....
Beat them at their own game....
This is why the PBPA is in arbitration. From day 1 the city has been trying to get the supervisors to sign away our rights. Every meeting the city came in with paperwork allowing annomyous complaints. The PBPA said NEVER!!!!!!! The city would say you guys rarely get CRs, its all about the POs and Dicks. Sgts, actually get CRs all the time. We would say No WAY!!! The city would end the meeting. They wouldn't go forward with any talks unless we gave them what they wanted on CRs. This is fact!!
Amazing though. The IG nor any other city investigative agency can accept an anonymous complaint against, get this, aldermen or the mayor. Look it up.
why is the five (or seven) year rule which was negotiated into the contract with the city and obviously violated not a class action lawsuit for all officers affected ?
The city only reacts when $ is at stake.
Years ago there was a grievance that went to court and a judge ruled that the files had to be held. No one has fully challenged that ruling since.
Well a recent FOIA revealed that COPA is taking anonymous complaints anyway and the FOP still hasn't addressed it.
If necessary will just get the law changed. Who can stop Her? Democratic Governor, Democratic house and Senate. All she has to do is ask, then what are you going to do.
Geez, Sgt Union can't spell right?
Nothing to ponder, some one has finally had a constructive idea. Now stop talking about the corruption and do something about it. Time for pondering is over, action time.
The hard left doesn't care about " laws " feeling and social justice are all they care about.
there is a bill pending to rescind that law requiring the affidavit
What’s the longest it took to settle our contract? I seem to remember 2.5 years being the longest. I feel sick. I do the bare minimum required of me. I used to write tickets to keep busy. I can’t give the city anything without a contract. The liability of just trying to do your job is too great for this thankless job. Beyond fetal and stuck in patrol
Would be a shame if there were a tsuamani of frivolous unprovable anonymous complains that swamp the system and big it down.....
City without a pity...
Lightfoot testified. True. PBPA will not give in on these issues. It and many other items will be decided by the arbitrator.
... and we want library late fines back too ...
Always a hook to conquer and divide. It’s a City tradition to offer up a simpleton some breadcrumb.
Continue to violate Contracts and hope the judge/arbiter they shopped for concurs with their stance.
There are white shirts (some, not all) that would vote/settle for 50% worth of retroactive pay if given an opportunity to sell back 50 more hours a year and a one time $100 signing bonus. The shady deal has to be monetary to get attention and traction.
Is Groot banking on the 30% merit white shirt to go along with the scheme - which is nothing more than a washed out blue shirt?
Won’t be long before the angry toad will be going after the Pension.
She is a completely incompetent LOSER!!!!!!!!
I’m going to sue every piece of shit making a false accusation against me and then I will go after the city for taking such bs and deform my name in front of bunch of civilians at copa who look at you like you are a criminal.
Well well we’ll, seems the police brutality narrative has died down so much that they need anonymous complaints to keep the lie alive. Staying fetal does work. Now go get those blue cards.
"Short-Shit" is an Imbecile.
The only way Chicago is saved is by destroying the Machine. The only way to destroy the Machine is to force the individuals who comprise the Machine to leave politics or catch them dirty and throw them in prison.
Ponder.
1/23/2020 12:39:00 AM
The Feebs are swamped by what they have uncovered and it will surely take up most of their career to indict all the players involved, Bugsy Burke is just the tip of the iceberg...
I had almost 180 CR’s prior to the sworn affidavits and only 1 in over the 12 years since they were established. The crazy thing is I never changed the way I worked.
Probably no contract this year people. Stretch this pennies
I won’t be surprised if Pauly sells us out. He’s on the way out and could care less about the rest of us who are gonna be left behind.
Remember who makes the laws and remember who’s in Springfield. State law can be changed. Be very careful
I Can't believe I work for a city whose official digital strategist feels compelled to list his pronouns in his email signature.
require complainants to take an oath to file any complaint
When liberals don’t like a law, they simply don’t follow it.
When enough liberals become legislators & judges, the law is then not enforced and/or legislatively removed.
VOTE
VOTE
VOTE
VOTE
VOTE...........REPUBLICAN.
1/23/2020 12:39:00 AM
You sir are an idiot. We are all now dumber for reading your post. I really hope you are not the police. WTF
No one makes him look stupid, he’s quite capable of doing that himself.
Lori, how about rescinding the residency state law?
She must have received her law degree from Clown College.
Why doe#nt she worry about the lawlessness of her constituents on the west and south sides. How about the tax payers who live north ? She’s putting energy into all the complainers who are usually the lawbreakers.
Who cares. They vote down the proposal and the old contract stays I effect. They already approved the pay raise. Mayor has NO LEVERAGE.
why is the five (or seven) year rule which was negotiated into the contract with the city and obviously violated not a class action lawsuit for all officers affected ?
The city only reacts when $ is at stake.
Years ago there was a grievance that went to court and a judge ruled that the files had to be held. No one has fully challenged that ruling since.
Absolutely right...the Judges reasoning was that the 'public interest' to keep the files out weighs the language in the contract, or some garbage like that....
OT speaking of law breakers: typical shitcago baddies caught by fabulous CPD. Thank God some pursuits happen. https://www.lakeforestleader.com/p/news-police-fire/stolen-lf-suv-recovered-after-pursuit-lake-shore-drive
Bet crimesha and crooked judges have already ensured their release to replay their rein of terror.
Great job and many thanks to officers. Wonder if lake county kept them instead? 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 Better chance of keeping them off the streets. The Lake county asa is incredible.
Typical Socialist.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
She is applying Alinsky tactics to continue to drag out contract negotiations and ratification. It's nothing but moving the goal posts in order to facilitate a stalling technique. She doesn't want to have to pay salary increases and retroactive pay, period, full stop. In my opinion, there will be no contract for AT LEAST another 2 years.
So we will sit back and wait for the best contract and the back pay will come.
Hey Scc, does the name Bernard KERSH JR. ring a bell? Well he was the offender who spit in the officers face a few months back and taken to the ground and placed under arrest. And guess what, he’s currently sitting in central detention charged with a Strong Arm Robbery after he stole a bottle of tequila and some flowers from the Jewels in 001 and proceeded to strike the female security guard in the chest as she attempted to stop him from leaving the parking lot. He was arrested blocks away without incident but he apparently gave the processing officers a lot of lip.
I will sign a notarized affidavit that Groot is a fucking idiot!
I have to run counter to SCC about that whole "good lawyer" remark. Back in reality what makes a lawyer successful is not that they don't know they are on the wrong side of the law in many obvious matters but rather they are willing to file suit, to say otherwise (AKA lie!) and to generally bullshit to waste time and annoy and harass the other side with the law's lengthy procedures.
Unethical? HELL YES!
Can it backfire? About 40% of the time it does... The rest of the time, that spends down the other sides money and get a settlement and so forth and muddies facts which the media then jumps in and uses to spread more lies.
Lawyering is not about being right and being honest: It is about attacking and causing confusion at times. Sad but so for at least half the Illinois attorneys out there.
Groot is a "good lawyer" insofar as she knows she is wrong per the law but will fight and hector and seek in inflict harm anyway. She will use the law in full allowance, hence she is a lawyer who gets results for her own agenda.
Just a theory. The city wants anonymous complaints probably so that copa can just start randomly watching BWC videos and when they see officer(s) made a mistake they (copa) will put in a anonymous complaint. Fucked up times being the police. Damned if we do, Damned if we don’t!!!!! I wish the bosses would start to get behind their officers and stop asking for activity. If officers wants to be proactive that’s good but stop damning it. GET RID OF COMPSTAT!
Excellent! Drag this out as long as possible and get as many guys out of here at 2% as possible.
Ponder.
1/23/2020 12:39:00 AM
Have you ever heard of anyone being sued for violation of privacy? You would not be the first. Why don't you just start following people ?
"Anonymous said...
I'm already denied the right to live where I want. I have to register my guns with the City. Now, I'm to be denied my Constitutional right to face my accuser?
Take your anonymous complaints pandering gambit and shove it.
We know she's not our friend, or even neutral towards us. We should be fighting very dirty right now. As in, doing off-duty surveillance on these City councilmen, judges, etc., even the Mayor, investigating, doing whatever it takes to find the dirt that exists on these clowns and refer it to the Feds and the news.
Make our presentation of evidence so ironclad, it can't be denied or covered up.
The Chicago Police Dept is forbidden by City statute to investigate City councilmen. But that doesn't prevent officers and detectives conducting investigations and surveillance on their own time, off duty, and not using Dept resources, purely in an evidence-collecting capacity.
Who would pay for such investigating? Well, I can't think of a better use for our dues than bringing about the downfall of our political enemies by paying investigators to catch these rotten politicians en flagrante. We can't sway elections, our numbers are too few against the allied mass of progressive twit enablers and the perpetually aggrieved poverty pimps.
But we just may have the power to clean up this town in another way, through enforcement of the law.
Read the book that just came out about the Bidens. If a civilian author can uncover such fuckery, imagine what some righteously-motivated Chicago police detectives can accomplish by turning their attentions to the activities of our duly elected legislators and judges.
The only way Chicago is saved is by destroying the Machine. The only way to destroy the Machine is to force the individuals who comprise the Machine to leave politics or catch them dirty and throw them in prison.
Ponder."
Investigating politicians to uncover wrongdoing to use as leverage in our contract negotiations. This is what FOP President hopeful Catazara mentioned in his roll call speeches... He had my vote right then. His opponents are saying "That's extortion!!" Boo hoo. Who cares?! You don't think the city and politicians wouldn't hang you out to dry first chance they got? If YOU ran for office, professional political opponents would uncover the slightest thing you did wrong in your life. About time we start uncovering some of the skeletons in our enemies closets.
One of the many reasons I am leaving Illinois. The rule of law means nothing to these people. Illegal alien felon? No problem we will hide you here in Chicago. Bribe and extort...no problem if you are connected. Kill a guy on Rush Street...get a walk if your name begins with a V and you are related to our troll former mayor. This shit is going to explode at some point and I don't want to be caught in the blast radius...
Can't believe Chicagians voted for this CLOWN !!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Pbpa...joke just like fop. They settle the money and without consulting members and sit on the rest for arbitration. Makes no sense. Just like the last fop contract when angelo sold out the new kids... i say dont sell your sole for retro or fear of not getting "as much".
I am guessing you are merit as you do not know that we sold our ‘souls” not soles. I kept my shoes.
‘Sell out’ would imply the Union leaders received something from the city to settle. The Captain’s and Lieutenant’s board receive a stipend that is around $125 per month, the amount of hours spent answering calls, helping people fill out bid forms, responding to emails, attending negotiations on your RDO without compensation, attending focus group meetings without compensation, etc bring the hourly wage to less than the minimum wage in Venezuela.
The board is constantly looking for help, and asking for people to fill the board openings, we resort to asking friends and trusted co-workers because everyone that is asked can’t commit to the time and effort involved. We welcome challenges and opposition to running for the board. However, with 20-30 actives attending the general meetings, which is around 10-15% of membership, I am guessing you are one of the 85% that likes to bitch but do nothing. The raise that we “sold out” for also applies to the board, the board made a well thought calculated decision to accept the raise based on the information available. If we thought it wasn’t fair and reasonable for ourselves, we wouldn’t have accepted it for the membership.
We don’t consult the membership for every vote and decision because you have an opportunity to vote every time there is an election.
1/23/2020 12:39:00 AM
You sir are an idiot. We are all now dumber for reading your post. I really hope you are not the police. WTF
1/23/2020 03:34:00 PM
At least he/she tried to think out of the box. What is your solution? More insults?
And, when you claimed to respond for "we", you assumed quite a lot. At the very least, you do not speak for the "me" part of "we" and the "me" part thinks you are a myopic dope.
Can't believe Chicagoians voted for this CLOWN !!!!
1/24/2020 12:48:00 PM
There was no other way to go. It was Clown A or Clown B and Clown B would have been worse, much worse. If Clown B had succeeded and gained control of the city, added to her control of the county, things would have been much worse than having Clown A running the city and Clown B running the county. Their mutual hate and distrust helps us also. Each is just waiting for the other to falter. It keeps part of their time occupied.
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