Lawsuit Over CR Files
- A bonfire of critical police misconduct records – critics fear that is what could happen if Chicago’s police union wins its fight to destroy the files.
CBS 2 [...] has uncovered it is a fight the Fraternal Order of Police is waging in court, and behind the scenes at the bargaining table.
In cases of police misconduct, emotions run high and the damage runs deep. And until five years ago, the struggle of victims of police misconduct and their families was made even more difficult – because police misconduct records were still secret.
There wasn't anything hidden. It was part a negotiated Contract and passed by the City Council years ago. The agreement (if we recall correctly) was all "Unfounded," "Not Sustained" and "Exonerated" files would be destroyed after a period of five or seven years. The only thing that would be kept were "Sustained" findings and there may have been something about only the finding itself would be maintained in the Officer's Personnel File, the point being that an Officer's entire career shouldn't be stained by what (in most cases) was a mistake. If there was malice or law breaking, Officers would be fired.
There was no reason to keep the first three types of files, for the same reason you cannot use an offender's previous arrests against them in Court - it's prejudicial. Officers were cleared or the evidence presented was insufficient to merit any sort of discipline. The seven years was to spot any emerging patterns, i.e. numerous brutality complaints, repeated money beefs, complaints involving sexual perversions. In other words, something that might merit a closer look.
Funnily enough, we used the word "merit," and guess who had quite a few repeated complaints involving brutality, money or sexual harassment? Yup - "merit" picks. And the complaints only seem to materialize after a particularly bad scandal, which is why we suggested Beck spend some time going over the files at the Confidential Section at IAD. Beck actually made some sense in the article:
There was no reason to keep the first three types of files, for the same reason you cannot use an offender's previous arrests against them in Court - it's prejudicial. Officers were cleared or the evidence presented was insufficient to merit any sort of discipline. The seven years was to spot any emerging patterns, i.e. numerous brutality complaints, repeated money beefs, complaints involving sexual perversions. In other words, something that might merit a closer look.
Funnily enough, we used the word "merit," and guess who had quite a few repeated complaints involving brutality, money or sexual harassment? Yup - "merit" picks. And the complaints only seem to materialize after a particularly bad scandal, which is why we suggested Beck spend some time going over the files at the Confidential Section at IAD. Beck actually made some sense in the article:
- Beck said he has mixed thoughts on whether all misconduct records should remain public.
“I think that everybody understands that police officers are often subject to unfounded complaints, and do the full details of those need to be revealed? I think that’s a different question,” Beck said. “Sustained complaints I don’t have such an issue with.”
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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I like this Beck guy and wish he’d stay on as the Superintendent. Whoever gets appointed has to tow the company line on “guns” and “building trust with the community” bullshit, but this guy says common sense things and makes common sense decisions. Every past Superintendent would have spewed some garbage about accountability and transparency. He has also only been here for a couple and in that short time he listened to Officers and saw for himself how merit is a morale destroying and counter productive system, so he stopped it. I guarantee he’d be much better than whoever we are going to end up with.
As long as there was no pattern of complaints for planting unregistered firearms on offenders in 011 during the 1990s then I'm all good.
Where's your fucking beat tag!?
Now any officer that was harmed by the city because of their reckless conduct should be made “Whole” monetary.
Double standards for cops and all those not cops, yet again. All under the false banner of 'fairness'.
SCC is correct about criminal proceedings not being able (usually) to use prior criminal history in any pending case against an accused. So why the fuss about the same rule and theme to apply to cops? There is no ACTUAL criminal history for such an officer (or he'd be gone), only a record of what was committed and shown to be such which tosses out 70% or more of the baseless gripes.
Good for the goose and gander?
That is more stupidly from asswipe liberals claiming they want "fairness" when all they want to do is attack and cause mayhem if they don't get their way.
What Is "Fair"? - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHE6AYNOCrg
We have IAD investigators with more that 40 beefs in their backgrounds and paid lawsuits. I was interviewed by an IAD investigator and “come to find out” he had more beefs then I have and for the same reason he was interviewing me.
WOW.. you watch the channel 2 "news investigation" and you see they totally botched it.
The FOP doesn't condone destroying discipline records as they keep restating over and over.
Only the unfounded, not-sustained and exonerated files.
TOTAL incompetence typical of CBS Channel 2.
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So., phil cline made $192146 and frank gross made $139719 from the police memorial foundation (2018). keep donating your money and time so these two can supplement their gold braid pensions
1/20/2020 01:34:00 AM
So fat Phil is getting that and a pension? I got out of memorial couple years ago when they can justify his ass making that much money, I will donate directly, not through this already tainted organization
The department make all academy recruits donate via automated deductions. Wen I graduated from the academy I went right to Finance and fill out a form and stopped automated the donations
During the Weis era, I stepped on my dick and got a CR. I was in the wrong, but not to the extreme extent that the complaint had originally painted me out to be. Eventually, IAD gave me an offer that if I agreed to sign the paperwork admitting fault, the department would only give me a two day suspension. I was also told that only the finding itself would be in my profile. My Lieutenant at the time told me that if they were making me this offer, there was a good chance I could outright beat it. Wanting to just move on, I signed IAD's paperwork like a dumbass. Had I known that it would still linger I probably would have fought it. Never got a complaint like that again, so no pattern of abuse on my end.
If you are naive enough to believe that the media would ever be fair to us, you are going to vote for Commie Bernie.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Is the CPD Memorial Pin authorized for wear on our uniforms?
official uniform part???
Sounds like Were pressured to wear it I E Donate
Shouldn't the IG and AG investigate this
Anonymous Anonymous said...
During the Weis era, I stepped on my dick and got a CR. I was in the wrong, but not to the extreme extent that the complaint had originally painted me out to be. Eventually, IAD gave me an offer that if I agreed to sign the paperwork admitting fault, the department would only give me a two day suspension. I was also told that only the finding itself would be in my profile. My Lieutenant at the time told me that if they were making me this offer, there was a good chance I could outright beat it. Wanting to just move on, I signed IAD's paperwork like a dumbass. Had I known that it would still linger I probably would have fought it. Never got a complaint like that again, so no pattern of abuse on my end.
1/22/2020 04:16:00 AM
Your Lieutenant was wrong. Mediation is only offered when there is clear evidence of a sustained violation. All it really does is save an interview, make a much shorter and less detailed summary of your case, and lessen your penalty. Its basically a plea bargain.
Will they shut down the innocence project website? Or is that genie out of the bottle?
Phil should be ashamed of himself. So much for truly caring about our police families. My God, can't people do things, from the kindness of their hearts. How much money is enough Phil.Sad, very Sad.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
During the Weis era, I stepped on my dick and got a CR. I was in the wrong, but not to the extreme extent that the complaint had originally painted me out to be. Eventually, IAD gave me an offer that if I agreed to sign the paperwork admitting fault, the department would only give me a two day suspension. I was also told that only the finding itself would be in my profile. My Lieutenant at the time told me that if they were making me this offer, there was a good chance I could outright beat it. Wanting to just move on, I signed IAD's paperwork like a dumbass. Had I known that it would still linger I probably would have fought it. Never got a complaint like that again, so no pattern of abuse on my end.
1/22/2020 04:16:00 AM
They will always be corruption in IAD. It the level of incompetence that’s beyond me.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
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So., phil cline made $192146 and frank gross made $139719 from the police memorial foundation (2018). keep donating your money and time so these two can supplement their gold braid pensions
1/20/2020 01:34:00 AM
So fat Phil is getting that and a pension? I got out of memorial couple years ago when they can justify his ass making that much money, I will donate directly, not through this already tainted organization
The department makes all academy recruits donate via automated deductions. When I graduated from the academy. I went start to Finance and filled out a form and stopped automated the deduction.
You have to hand it to Beck. Finally a superintendent ( or acting) is speaking up and defending the police officers. That has not happened since the days of Conlisk and Rochford. Since them, every superintendent has been a sycophant for city hall.
There wasn't anything hidden. It was part a negotiated Contract and passed by the City Council years ago. The agreement (if we recall correctly) was all "Unfounded," "Not Sustained" and "Exonerated" files would be destroyed after a period of five or seven years. The only thing that would be kept were "Sustained" findings and there may have been something about only the finding itself would be maintained in the Officer's Personnel File, the point being that an Officer's entire career shouldn't be stained by what (in most cases) was a mistake. **If there was malice or law breaking, Officers would be fired.**
Unless, they're connected.
The department make all academy recruits donate via automated deductions. Wen I graduated from the academy I went right to Finance and fill out a form and stopped automated the donations
1/22/2020 03:35:00 AM
They can't make you direct your money anywhere. Is it a condition of employment that is expressly set forth in the job posting and new hire papers that you signed on your first day of employment? Pull those papers out and read them thoroughly and watch the wording.
There was no reason to keep the first three types of files, for the same reason you cannot use an offender's previous arrests against them in Court - it's prejudicial.
This is not entirely true. Rule 404. Character Evidence; Crimes or other Acts. I've seen it used many times in state court and federal court. Depends on how strong the case is for the prosecution in determining if they will introduce it.
Not to mention this stops COPA from taking unfounded, cleared and exonerated cases, opening them back up and making life hell for coppers by stripping them and trying to fire them because they want to. 5 years exonerated but these jag offs get to reopen cases and make arbitrary decisions to meet their quota even though the ILESTB found them unfit to investigate and rule on any OIC due to lack of training...but they still do what they want and try to burn innocent cops for nothing.
regarding greg bella he has always been a clouted do nothing who is only concerned aboyr greg and securing merit promotions for his clout buddies
why does the fop get merit promotions?
if destroying complaints after a period of time was in a contract, signed by both parties, and passed by the city council, and then not honored by one party then it is a violation of the contract, It appears that one party of the agreement (city) knowingly and wantonly failed to live up to the agreement/contract. Should the FOP file a fair labor action law suite with the Department of Labor over this violation of the terms and condition in this contract?
The City should just comply. They promote meritorious candidates with sustained CR numbers so old files should not be of any of their concern.
Chief Beck, if you know there are false complaints against P.O.’s, can you ask your boss why she wants to get rid of the sworn affidavits? Chicago criminals are especially scummy when it comes to false complaints and I think a few successful prosecution would alleviate this nonsense.
The Cpd Memorial Pin is not an official uniform part
So Disgusted over Phil Cline and Police Memorial That I took off the charity pin from all my uniforms Ill support the fallen just not some charity were folks are making profit
Suggest the Academy and others stop pushing the forms in recruits and cops faces
You cant solicited for a charity or political fund raiser at work or sell your kids school stuff
Recruits are afraid to say no to Phil Cline and Company
Another thing they don't take into account is the fact these "investigations" are so mishandled. We all know officers that were misidentified because the idiot investigating couldn't be bothered to really investigate; we know cases where the finding should have been exonerated but wasn't. You get the idea. Why should these shitty investigations be held against us long past the expiration date? Hell, criminal cases have a past due date. Why should we have to worry about administrative misconduct longer than a thief has to worry about stealing half a million dollars?
Getting the Big Bucks and a Pension for both Mentioned
AND
Insurance paid. A free Car. Life Insurance. Medical Days and Holidays. 401k. Social Security. Expense Account/ Credit Cards
AND
The Directors also Get the Perks
What a Great Foundation
Anonymous Anonymous said...
During the Weis era, I stepped on my dick and got a CR. I was in the wrong, but not to the extreme extent that the complaint had originally painted me out to be. Eventually, IAD gave me an offer that if I agreed to sign the paperwork admitting fault, the department would only give me a two day suspension. I was also told that only the finding itself would be in my profile. My Lieutenant at the time told me that if they were making me this offer, there was a good chance I could outright beat it. Wanting to just move on, I signed IAD's paperwork like a dumbass. Had I known that it would still linger I probably would have fought it. Never got a complaint like that again, so no pattern of abuse on my end.
1/22/2020 04:16:00 AM
Listen, talk to me if you get 180 days, 2 days is like a personal to me..... and 30 days is like a 3 day weekend....
Oh and I’m just here for the insurance.....
It's wrong that you can google any officers name and get right to a CR beef that was not sustained, or unfounded. I'm retired now, and My name is still on some open files for all to see. I took time for administrative beefs that I was guilty of, and they don't even come up.
Some things are wrong in this city, and no body is really trying to fix it.
how would you feel about expunging the arrest records and investigative files of all arrestees not found guilty? same principle.
the thing is if they are public records, and they probably should be, once they are out in the open they never really go away.
So fat Phil is getting that and a pension? I got out of memorial couple years ago
Says it All about LEADERSHIP and CORRUPTION on CPD
Aguilar never followed up on the grievance..,was a dog as a po, now getting Captains pay as a retiree dog..Cant believe Preib has Donahue, and Aguilar on his slate..
During the Weis era, I stepped on my dick and got a CR. I was in the wrong, but not to the extreme extent that the complaint had originally painted me out to be. Eventually, IAD gave me an offer that if I agreed to sign the paperwork admitting fault, the department would only give me a two day suspension. I was also told that only the finding itself would be in my profile. My Lieutenant at the time told me that if they were making me this offer, there was a good chance I could outright beat it. Wanting to just move on, I signed IAD's paperwork like a dumbass. Had I known that it would still linger I probably would have fought it. Never got a complaint like that again, so no pattern of abuse on my end.
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Never admit anything. Make them.prove it. If they were willing to give you two days, you werent getting fired. Think before you sign anything!
WOW.. you watch the channel 2 "news investigation" and you see they totally botched it.
The FOP doesn't condone destroying discipline records as they keep restating over and over.
Only the unfounded, not-sustained and exonerated files.
TOTAL incompetence typical of CBS Channel 2.
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It’s not incompetence or a mistake. If that’s what it was, they’d issue a correction as in the good old days of real reporting & news. They state the above because that’s what they want the general public to believe and absorb over and over. If they put it out there over & over, it becomes gospel. Just look at recent story of Joliet off duty who they keep reporting as having killed her friend, Berwyn PD, in a DUI...yet she was below the legal limit.
OT from another thread:Anonymous said...
Will there ever be one negative thing posted about John and his ticket or is it a blog rule that only negative things can be posted about everyone else running?
1/21/2020 12:22:00 AMAnonymous Anonymous said...
What pisses me off even more is four guys decided to all go down to Florida and blow off the Board meeting. 1st VP Patrick Murray, 2nd VP Martin Preib, Trustee Rick King, and Trustee Mark Tamlo. FOP only has one board meeting a month and one general meeting. As long as I can remember the Board meeting is always the 1st week of the month and the General meeting the 3rd week. How hard is it to plan your vacations around two meetings a month?
But if they were there O’Toole would not have picked up any more votes. Most of these guys are all on the same ticket with Donahue.
Here you go.
MARK DONAHUE – Trustee Preib’s ticket
JOHN CAPPARELLI – Trustee Cantanzara ticket
BILL DOUGHERTY – not running
KEN HAUSER – trustee Preib’s ticket
DANIEL TREVINO – Trustee (son running for Judge 10th Circuit) Preib’s ticket
BILL BURNS – Sgt, at Arms Graham’s ticket
MICHAEL GARZA – Financial Secretary Graham’s ticket
SERGIO ESCOBEDO – Trustee Preib’s ticket
ANDREW CANTORE – Trustee Cantanzara ticket
FRANK QUINN – Trustee Preib’s ticket
MIKE UNDERWOOD - Trustee Preib’s ticket
All of the above voted themselves a pay raise with the exception of Capparelli
Vacation Boys:
PATRICK MURRAY - 1st VP *** Preib’s ticket
MARTIN PREIB - 2nd VP Preib’s ticket
RICK KING - Trustee Preib’s ticket
MARK TAMLO - Trustee Preib’s ticket
Proposed Pay raise in middle of the term
Rick King Trustee Preib’s ticket
Danny Trevino Trustee Preib’s ticket
*** Collecting a pension and full fop salary.
All the guys to vote for O’Toole and against the pay raise are on Cantanzara ticket.
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Her husband, Rudy Malnati, developed his pizza prowess while working at Pizzeria Uno, the birthplace of deep dish pizza.
She passed on his knowledge to his sons, Lou and Rudy, who started two of Chicago’s most popular pizza places: Lou Malnati’s and Pizano’s, respectively.
Mrs. Malnati, a registered nurse who learned the secret of making good pizza dough from her husband, died Jan. 3 in Chicago. She was 93 and had been in failing health, according to her son Rudy Jr.
Though “Mama Malnati” helped her son develop the thin crust of Pizano’s, he said she never switched her allegiance from deep dish.
To the copper that IAD made an offer to: you are correct, you likely would have beat it.
Over the years I have known multiple coppers who have been offered that mediation offer. Majority of them tell them to pound sand and fight it- ultimately having the allegations found non-sustained or exonerated.
They count on the shaky demeanor of some scared officers, or the guys who “just want it to go away” to help boost their ratio of sustained investigations. Much like at 26/Cal. Offer the plea so you don’t have to actually try a case you think is weak.
Sometimes the offers sounded good, too good to be true. But IAD got their sustained out of it.
This city is for the birds.
to 1/22/2020/ 03;35am rumorville has it that after little cline retires he will take over the cpmf this crap never stops.
Now that John "No Nose" DiFronzo is no longer running the Chicago Outfit, who will fill the void left by his death is an open question.
As the ABC7 I-Team first reported this week, DiFronzo died Sunday from complications of Alzheimer's. He was 89.
"This is obviously an organization that promotes from within" said Chicago mob expert John Binder. "They don't take ads in the Wall Street Journal announcing a job search."
Although illicit businesses such as the Outfit don't have open meetings or put out annual reports, there are internal rules and succession plans in place to deal with the death of the boss-whether it occurs naturally or at the end of a gun barrel as was the case with Sam "Momo" Giancana in 197
DiFronzo's declining health the past few years may have allowed the mob to restructure its upper crust in anticipation of his death. The top two spots in the Outfit are now thought to be occupied by one infamous gangland name and one less recognized.
Salvatore "Solly D" DeLaurentis is the best known, un-incarcerated Chicago mob figure today-and considered "consigliere" to the Outfit.
DeLaurentis, 79, was released from federal prison in 2006 after serving a long sentence for racketeering, extortion and tax fraud. The north suburban resident is notorious for using the phrase "trunk music." That is the gurgling sound made by a decomposing corpse in a car trunk
"I'm in the carpet cleaning business," DeLaurentis told the I-Team on Friday. He laughed off those who said he was the boss or involved in mob rackets at all and said the FBI should know that because the bureau monitors his activities.
DeLaurentis has long been a mob-denier. "The Outfit is like a group that comes in here to paint the walls" he told investigative reporter Chuck Goudie during a 1993 interview. "It's the painting outfit."
During that television interview conducted at the federal lock-up in Chicago, DeLaurentis said he was "a bricklayer by trade" and a part-time gambler. "We gamble" he said "but as far as Mafia, I don't know what that is."
"Are they out there leaving people dead in the streets?" asks FBI special agent in charge Jeffrey Sallet. "No. But just because people aren't killing somebody doesn't mean that they don't represent a threat" Sallet said. "Mob guys or Outfit guys-whatever you want to call them-are resilient. Where there is an opportunity to make money, they will engage. The reason they don't kill people the same way they did 25 years ago is because it's bad for business."
The second in command of the Chicago Outfit, according to some mobwatchers, is convicted enforcer Albert "Albie the Falcon" Vena, 69. The squat Vena did beat a murder charge in 1992 after the killing of a syndicate-connected drug dealer. He is thought to oversee day-to-day operations of the Outfit.
Vena is a protégé of notorious West Side mob boss Joey "the Clown" Lombardo, who is imprisoned for life following conviction in the 2007 Family Secrets mob murder case.
Regardless of what some see as an evolving line-up atop the Chicago mob, defense attorney Joe Lopez, who has represented numerous top hoodlums, says the Outfit is a thing of the past.
"I don't think anybody is ruling the roost. I think the roost was closed" Lopez told the I-Team.
He disputes that DeLaurentis has succeeded John DiFronzo. "He's old too" said Lopez, who proudly carries his own nickname "The Shark." Lopez said that Chicago mob leaders "became obsolete" and were put out of business by the "digital revolution has changed the entire world." Other mob expert
Dana Kozlov, a shit reporter doing a shit job. Did you happen to ask about the other side of the story as to why the FOP is doing what it’s doing? Of course not, that wouldn’t coincide with your hatred writing/reporting of all those bad police officers and CPD. Another of many reasons to not watch CBS Shitcago, and the other shit stations for that matter as well.
There are three sides to every story Dana, not one.
Charity Navigator gives the Chicago Police Memorial Association very low grades. Lots of “administrative spending”. Better places to donate donate your money to. Look at Charity Navigators website.
Anonymous said...
During the Weis era, I stepped on my dick and got a CR. I was in the wrong, but not to the extreme extent that the complaint had originally painted me out to be. Eventually, IAD gave me an offer that if I agreed to sign the paperwork admitting fault, the department would only give me a two day suspension. I was also told that only the finding itself would be in my profile. My Lieutenant at the time told me that if they were making me this offer, there was a good chance I could outright beat it. Wanting to just move on, I signed IAD's paperwork like a dumbass. Had I known that it would still linger I probably would have fought it. Never got a complaint like that again, so no pattern of abuse on my end.
1/22/2020 04:16:00 AM
If you can step on your dick then you're in the wrong line of work...
There wasn't anything hidden. It was part a negotiated Contract and passed by the City Council years ago. The agreement (if we recall correctly) was all "Unfounded," "Not Sustained" and "Exonerated" files would be destroyed after a period of five or seven years. The only thing that would be kept were "Sustained" findings and there may have been something about only the finding itself would be maintained in the Officer's Personnel File, the point being that an Officer's entire career shouldn't be stained by what (in most cases) was a mistake. **If there was malice or law breaking, Officers would be fired.**
Unless, they're connected.
or shoot an unarmed autistic kid who poses no threat what so ever
They need to depose Phyllis Muzapappa, that is the person who maintained those files.
I still don't see how/why the records weren't destroyed after the 7 year mark. How did this even become an issue?
IAD is more corrupt that the old 007th District Tact Team and the old SOS put together.
Never admit anything. Make them.prove it. If they were willing to give you two days, you werent getting fired. Think before you sign anythin
1/22/2020 01:40:00 PM
He confesses to dick stepping. 2 days is not worth stressing over sometimes.
Why depose her she did a fine job of maintains the files. Nor often you can say any city worker does d a fine job. Real question whose job was it to see if files were destroyed. Not part of her job description.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
During the Weis era, I stepped on my dick and got a CR. I was in the wrong, but not to the extreme extent that the complaint had originally painted me out to be. Eventually, IAD gave me an offer that if I agreed to sign the paperwork admitting fault, the department would only give me a two day suspension. I was also told that only the finding itself would be in my profile. My Lieutenant at the time told me that if they were making me this offer, there was a good chance I could outright beat it. Wanting to just move on, I signed IAD's paperwork like a dumbass. Had I known that it would still linger I probably would have fought it. Never got a complaint like that again, so no pattern of abuse on my end.
1/22/2020 04:16:00 AM
If you can step on your dick then you're in the wrong line of work...
1/22/2020 11:16:00 PM
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Funny, though could also have REALLY short legs.
Has he checked out that storage room on 2 that has boxes that need shredding stacked to the ceiling ? That’s got to be an osha violation and / or a city violation if anything.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
If you can step on your dick then you're in the wrong line of work...
1/22/2020 11:16:00 PM
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Funny, though could also have REALLY short legs.
1/23/2020 01:38:00 PM
A six foot man with a twelve inch inseam?
"Fuck ya'll lookin' at?"
>Stumble! - SQUEAK!<
"OUCH!"
Well, isn't that nice of good 'ol Phil to be so well compensated, as well as that of his former "personal' commander, Frank Gross? I tell you, the fix is always in, isn't it?
Anonymous said...
Phil should be ashamed of himself. So much for truly caring about our police families. My God, can't people do things, from the kindness of their hearts. How much money is enough Phil. Sad, very Sad.
1/22/2020 07:21:00 AM
Precisely why I NEVER donated to it.
Many hundreds of people's donations never get to a copper in need; they go into inflated SALARIES.
I can easily find the po I want to donate to and just hand over a few bills. And that's what I do.
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