Relax Detectives
Latest word from 35th Street via City Hall:
- Although the Department wants a super-bid, they have decided to only bid Area 4 & 5 first to avoid contractual entanglements. Then back fill with a new Detective class (120) coming in February to meet operational needs (as outlined in a previous post) of all Areas.
We're guessing there will be no problem filling the old Areas.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
35 Comments:
March 3rd class of 100-150 dics will be made
Hurry up and do it already. I’m sick of hearing about it. The Area are supposed to be operational on 01 April 2020. While you’re at it, send out the test results for part 1 of the sergeant’s exam; so detectives will know if they are getting promoted or if they should bid to Area 4. It’s a freaking Scranton. Geesh!
Facts.
Chicago detective bureau where twettle dee meets twettle dumb. Or is that fetal dee meets fetal dumb? O'well I'll have time to figure it out on OT! It will take that long to get a car do drive to the job.
This is actually not true. This is one of the options that they are looking at, but this has not been decided on. The City wants a super bid for expedience purposes. We believe this violates the contract, and the FOP, which has already messed this process up, finally backtracked , and agreed to the just bid Area 4 and 5 process.
This is a completely false statement and the person that posted this has no clue. True, it will most likely be a bid to Area 4 and Area 5. But the back fill will be filled with reverse seniority for about 100-120 Detectives. It’s simple math genius, Area North has 285 Detectives, They re going down to 159, if only 75 bid out, about another 50 or so will be forced by reverse seniority. The Detective s class will not be complete until after the bid.
Congratulations SCC. You just unbunched a lot of underwear. Please see what you can do about the sports coats that don't match the pants.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Chicago detective bureau where twettle dee meets twettle dumb. Or is that fetal dee meets fetal dumb? O'well I'll have time to figure it out on OT! It will take that long to get a car do drive to the job.
1/21/2020 04:27:00 AM
The motto of the old area four, “it’s not a crime until it’s overtime”....
I said this from the beginning.
I heard only 75....dam.
The existing Areas of South, Central, and North are all losing personnel with the expansion. Don’t remember the exact numbers, but Central is slated to lose about 105 people, and North about 150 people. South losing about 70 people I think. That’s around 320 or so Detectives. Staffing the new Areas by bid or new Detectives is what everyone talks about, but what about the reductions in the 3 existing Areas? Do 150 people want to leave Area North? Do 105 people want to leave Area central? Do 70 people want to leave Area South? The answer is no! The vast majority of people work in the Areas they want. No way in the world over 300 Detectives want to leave there current Area. What happens then?
Bids will likely clear out plenty from Central of those seeking a closer to home locale. Of course the newbies will be backfilling those shortages and once the dust settles and another class comes out will there be another full Bid.
Someone took a bit more time to look over that hastily slapped together Order and then realized the Unit Rosters had some dollies on the bubble. Will there be 20% management spots on top of the Misc. spots?
Maybe the real reason is just that, keeping Mgmt favorites intact, first and foremost over the more senior.
HQ doesn’t do much for the benefit of many or because of Contract.
The Bid Order was adjusted for just a few.
Maybe make another class of Sgt first so ppl don’t get screwed out of ppl taking Det and jumping ship w Sgt.
Anyone know the exact number? Because 100 to 150 is a big difference, for those of us who are in between it. Wish they would just make some decisions already, so we can all start making our decisions on where and wtf to do/go/stay etc.
Chicago detective bureau where twettle dee meets twettle dumb. Or is that fetal dee meets fetal dumb? O'well I'll have time to figure it out on OT! It will take that long to get a car do drive to the job.
1/21/2020 04:27:00 AM
In 017, 019, 011, and the 015 district all have one that's right ONE car for detectives to use. On the second watch you'll have 3-7 detectives working and ONE car for them to use to handle their investigations. So they probably won't have a car to drive at all, got to love this department 😂😂😂😂
D unit needs a complete overhaul!
Yea real smart so the new areas will have back fill with brand new detectives that don’t know shit.... thanks but no thanks I wudnt want that to happen to my family member
It's actually "We solve no crime until overtime"
What about the sergeants application where will they go
I’ll say this. You guys really have no idea what is in store for us all in the detective division. It’s not going to be like the old day or even the present days. “RBT” and Violent crimes detective won’t exist anymore. General assignment detectives will get all of the burglaries, thefts, simple batteries, assaults etc. SVU detectives will continue to get Current type of SVU jobs. Current RBT detectives will be split up with some (the less productive det and those not wanting court and activity) to get the BS stuff in the new general assignment and robbery and violent crimes detectives will just become violent crimes. These detectives will get all of the shootings and homicides as typical handouts and they will also get robberies and carjackings in an inbox. I see this as problematic as you have detectives working a shooting or a murder then they get a couple robberies in their inbox. If you are working a murder are you really going to care about a robbery?? Are you really gonna put in time for a robbery when you have so much to do with a murder??? No, this is where robberies and carjackings will suffer.
What are they going to do with the area Gang and Saturation teams?
Oh my god
The misinformation just keeps coming. You will most certainly have Robbery Dick and Burglary Dicks. General Assignment Dicks will be right where the were before. Ugh. Everything will be fine.
Department believes they can fill ALL vacancies after bids in the newly formed Areas by management, and that they do NOT have to use reverse seniority. That’s their position. They consider it an Intra Bureau transfer. I know for an absolute fact the Department believes they can do this. Now, that doesn’t mean the FOP agrees, or that’s how any vacancies after bids will ultimately be filled if the FOP gets involved, but as of right now, that is Management & Labor Affairs and the Department’s position.
This is a completely false statement and the person that posted this has no clue. True, it will most likely be a bid to Area 4 and Area 5. But the back fill will be filled with reverse seniority for about 100-120 Detectives. It’s simple math genius, Area North has 285 Detectives, They re going down to 159, if only 75 bid out, about another 50 or so will be forced by reverse seniority. The Detective s class will not be complete until after the bid
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I’m not sure how your statement differs from the original post, but I think I know what you’re trying to say. The problem with most dicks with regard to this current topic of reopening Areas 4 and 5 is believing the city can reduce the number assigned to A/N, A/S, and A/C with the snap of the fingers. It’s simple contract law, genius. If I’m assigned North, I’m not effected by reverse seniority to A/4 or A/5 until EVERY dick with less time than me, no matter where they’re assigned, gets yanked out first. It doesn’t matter what number the city “wants” in North, Central or South. They can’t empty out dicks from one Area without first grabbing dicks with less seniority from other Areas. Additionally, the city can’t reverse seniority someone from one of the existing Areas to another of the existing Areas, they can only reverse seniority to the “new” Areas. Show me where in the contract the city is permitted to involuntarily yank someone out of an assigned spot in a unit and drop them in a different existing unit. And don’t cite the closing of A/4 and A/5 back in 2012. It’s completely different when your unit gets eliminated.
This absolutely not true. Too many people speaking on here in hopes rather then what is actually happening. Spots are going to be filled by reverse seniority not management, except for the 20 percent.
The details have been yet to be hammered out. The city is pushing for a superbid where every detective will have to bid to an area. FOP wants to have 3 rounds of bidding. A/S is supposedly set to lose 70 dics.. FOP rep at Area South has told us that if you have under 20yrs otj to prepare to be moved.
FOP just announced...this post is 100% correct!
No super bid. Bids open to Area 4 and Area 5 only. Then the Department plans to fill any remaining spots by management. Detective Division Headquarters will consider seniority but they don’t have to according to them. I was personally told this by someone who works in Detective Division Headquarters. The FOP reps in the units have no idea what they are talking about. The FOP leadership can’t even give you a straight answer, you think a Unit Rep knows what he’s talking about?
Reverse seniority citywide per contract. That includes the dicks that are detailed to units. You can’t move someone from their unit if they have more seniority than someone in a different unit. This isn’t brain surgery. The city created this problem and they can’t violate the contract to fix it. Area 4/5 will reopen eventually but rushing it will only lead to grievances and lawsuits.
Is retired Lt Kennedy still trying to take care of his little darling? You retired. She can take care of herself.
Or was he hatching his defense with the Commander? Some scandals can still get you in retirement.
Anonymous said...
Reverse seniority citywide per contract. That includes the dicks that are detailed to units. You can’t move someone from their unit if they have more seniority than someone in a different unit. This isn’t brain surgery. The city created this problem and they can’t violate the contract to fix it. Area 4/5 will reopen eventually but rushing it will only lead to grievances and lawsuits.
1/22/2020 10:22:00 PM
You have to factor in the management 20%. Those picks are going to be interesting.
With a clearance rate of about 2% and zero expectations, why does any dic care about what area they're assigned to? No one outside of the detective division knows what you do and a majority of your supervisors don't know dick about detective work. People on here think the dics in area 2 and 4 are going to be running around like chickens with their heads cut off trying to solve cases. They're going to take it one case at a time just like everyone else. If there's multiple crime scenes, they'll get to them when they get to them. They won't be killing themselves. And at least they'll have an excuse for getting to a crime scene 3 hours after the fact, unlike area 5, who will leave you hanging well past shift change.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
With a clearance rate of about 2% and zero expectations, why does any dic care about what area they're assigned to? No one outside of the detective division knows what you do and a majority of your supervisors don't know dick about detective work. People on here think the dics in area 2 and 4 are going to be running around like chickens with their heads cut off trying to solve cases. They're going to take it one case at a time just like everyone else. If there's multiple crime scenes, they'll get to them when they get to them. They won't be killing themselves. And j getting to a crime scene 3 hours after the fact, unlike area 5, who will leave you hanging well past shift change.
1/23/2020 01:21:00 PM
I was thinking the same. The lowest Homicide and Agg: Battery Handgun clearance rate in the U.S. History who cares where you get dumped to. No accountability whatsoever.
No word on the super bid.
No word on the contract.
No word on the results for part 1 of the sergeant’s exam
No word on the next dicks class.
No word on the management shake up.
No word on when the areas will be running.
No word on when part 2 study guide for the sergeant test will be out.
No word on retro checks.
No word on the new training academy.
No word on swiping.
No word on the new supe.
There you have it. I have no words besides threw the whole bdepartment away.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
With a clearance rate of about 2% and zero expectations, why does any dic care about what area they're assigned to? No one outside of the detective division knows what you do and a majority of your supervisors don't know dick about detective work. People on here think the dics in area 2 and 4 are going to be running around like chickens with their heads cut off trying to solve cases. They're going to take it one case at a time just like everyone else. If there's multiple crime scenes, they'll get to them when they get to them. They won't be killing themselves. And at least they'll have an excuse for getting to a crime scene 3 hours after the fact, unlike area 5, who will leave you hanging well past shift change.
A smart mouth loud mouth dick came on the scene of one of our shootings. Prick had no clue what the hell he was doing. He talked his ass off about nothing. This department is done.
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