Opening the State Constitution?
This is the first we're hearing of this and it needs thorough researching and verification. Opening the State Constitution via a back door method which would end up screwing up all current and future pensioners:
- When FOP Board Members like Donahue, continue to support their progressive political pets, like Senator Rob Martwick, they are supporting opening the Illinois Constitution. Opening the Illinois Constitution will allow these progressive politicians to change the state’s pension clause.
The FOP has continually claimed politicians like Martwick and Madigan are fighting to protect or pensions and that’s what makes them “qualified” to be recommended by our Union. Donahue has thrown 10’s of thousands of dollars of our dues, at Martwick and Madigan to “protect our pensions.”
The interesting part of this is, politicians like Martwick and Madigan have been pushing the Graduated Income Tax or also known as the Progressive Tax , since 2016. If the Graduated Income Tax passes, the Illinois State Constitution will be opened up so the wording can be amended to change the flat tax to a progressive tax. What Donahue isn’t telling the members is that while the Sate Constitution is open, to amend the tax clause, it will also be open to change the state’s pension clause. That piece of paper that states, “Membership in any pension or retirement system of the State, any unit of local government or school district, or any agency or instrumentality thereof, shall be an enforceable contractual relationship, the benefits of which shall not be diminished or impaired,” is all that’s standing in the way of politicians, like Martwick, from completely gutting our pensions.
Once they get their Graduated Income Tax passed, they can use that as a back door to change our pension clause to diminish or impair our pensions. So Donahue is supporting a politician who is not interested in protecting our pensions, but is pushing to open a door for them to walk right in an take it.
So they can use the Graduated Income Tax as a crowbar to amend the Constitution to comply with the new passed law? If we're understanding this, it would circumvent the Constitutional Convention vote that is required to be held every 20 years and endanger all pensions immediately.
We have stated before, we aren't pension experts. We can't go around to the Board and ask for info, post it and someone puts two-and-two together. Is there someone out there suitably versed in Pension Law who can enlighten the readership.
Martwick has already proven he can't be trusted, appointing "progressive" convicted-felon-supporting candidates who worked for former alderasshole Arena. Martwick is a snake and those in the FOP who supported him need to be made to explain their actions.
We have stated before, we aren't pension experts. We can't go around to the Board and ask for info, post it and someone puts two-and-two together. Is there someone out there suitably versed in Pension Law who can enlighten the readership.
Martwick has already proven he can't be trusted, appointing "progressive" convicted-felon-supporting candidates who worked for former alderasshole Arena. Martwick is a snake and those in the FOP who supported him need to be made to explain their actions.
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posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
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Pensions are done... very obvious.
For the people that continue to say “ our pensions will be there. It’s state law”, keep saying that. Something needs to be done but NOBODY is doing a damn thing. The pension is not sustainable and will be gone eventually. Be prepared and don’t cry when it happens This has been tending this way for decades
Have to make sure this election cycle that EVERYONE VOTES NO ON THE REFERENDUM!!!!! Have to make sure you encourage all relatives to vote NO
Get out get and take your money as fast as you can ..Not only taxpayers fleeing corrupt Illinois, but now corporations starting to bypass Illinois, fearing they will get stuck with paying pension debt...
Shithole Chicago & Illinois have the 2nd highest property tax in America...even clown mayor groot sees property tax increases becoming a hot iron
When Illinois loses a congress seat after census... taking down pensions will be easier to do
VOTE DEMOCRAT IN THE PRIMARY
The only way we’re going to get them out of office is to vote for whoever is opposing them in the primary. Please pass this on to your friends and family.Believe me if you pull a republican ballot you are putting these pieces of garbage back in.
In the regular election you can go back to being a Republican.
Second City Cop please keep stressing this before the election.
This is Illinois. THE most corrupt state in the union. They will destroy pensions to save the state from bankruptcy. Illinois going in to insolvency will expose their malfeasance to the world. They will not let this happen. This is a done deal. Save all the cash you can. Invest in any retirement accounts that catch your fancy. Buy land/property in other less corrupt, better managed states. Conduct your financial future like their will be a severely reduced or non-existent pension for all government workers. Thank you for coming to my TED talk. :)
Why would Donahue do this? He has the same pension we have?
Remember these ass hats can change ANYTHING in the state State constitution once it is opened. They can change any wording in any amendment for their own agendas, $$$$
All the while the pols keep their pension and compounded COLA.
Be wary of republican pol endorsing democrats for state and rep seats this March primary. As if there aren’t enough democrat pols down in Springfield.
Only CPD’s pension will be affected by any changes made. We’re the only ones with over 80% deficit. This plan was in the works for a long time. Missed holidays, weekends, birthdays, days off cancelled for nothing, now you need to learn to enjoy your retirement on the cheap. Ohh and for those boasting about 5000 hours on the books waiting to cash out at the end...
#youalreadyknow
Per Wikipedia,for what's worth: "Article XIV requires that Illinois voters be asked at least every 20 years if they desire a constitutional convention. In 1988 the measure failed 900,109 votes for and 2,727,144 against the measure. 1,069,939 other voters chose neither option. In 2008, there was an effort by citizens to support a convention. Ultimately, the measure was also defeated by a wide margin, 1,493,203 votes for and 3,062,724 against from a total of 5,539,172 votes cast. 983,245 voters chose neither option."
if you are not getting your retirement situation straight from day one... prepare to work for life. It is a matter of time before they pension system is disolve
Speaking of Donahue and Martwick. Donahue got Kessum endorsed in 41, even though Committeeman don’t get endorsed It was done as a cover for the big fuck you he gave Otoole and to encourage Republican votes in 41, in a effort to hold down OToole’s numbers.
https://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/the-law-q-a-three-ways-to-amend-the-illinois/article_cef78d2b-86bd-5eb3-822c-6662b2b876e5.html
The Illinois General Assembly already approved the proposed amendment to article 3 of the constitution, which would allow a progressive income tax. This proposed amendment will be on the ballot this November 3rd and requires a simple majority of voters to vote in favor of the proposed amendment before the amendment would be valid. This does not require a constitutional convention and no other amendments to the state constitution could be enacted as a result of the vote.
Martwick is still an undesirable candidate and those within FOP who endorsed him should explain their reasoning to the membership they claim to serve.
One hundred percent true! We don’t want them opening up anything!
They better start cutting the budget.
Interesting article regarding how the Ill constitution can be amended. This article deals with the tax amendment. https://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/the-law-q-a-three-ways-to-amend-the-illinois/article_cef78d2b-86bd-5eb3-822c-6662b2b876e5.html
One thing is for sure. Donahue has to go. Way too much time rubbing elbows with politicians. If Illinois fucks first responders watch what happens. Who’s coming to your 911 call? A fucked over and lied to fireman, paramedic or police officer??? The public better stop siding with corrupt Illinois politicians.
KMA in a year. Harry “The Hat 🎩” Holmes approached me at a University Bookstore away from his table where the gym was being used for Career Day. I thought he was gonna ask me to leave seeing as I already graduated from EIU and was taking a Biz class cuz the place I worked for paid 100% Tuition. C//O The Hat told me to come over to The CPD Table and do them a favor. He suspected I had a Degree and asked me to fill out the paperwork. C/O also said no Midnights for more than 5 years, you’ll get a pick of Districts, Tuition Reimbursing, and testing for promotion is run on the up and up. Also getting time off would be reasonable(same with Furloughs)and given, not used against you by some Juiced up boss. A Lot of Bullshit I’ve witnessed in almost 20 years. Partners dimming each other out, thieves, petty jag offery, bosses being dicks just to do it. “Iron” Mike Ryan purposely made times hard on his own guys just to do it. A true Coward if I’ve Ever met one. Side piece taken care of while Ald. O’C was watching him and a 20 hour work week for a Damn good Salary.
He also said that the papers weren’t going anywhere. Lo & Behold I visited my Ps and they were sitting together on a coach in Strike Mode. There was a City Envelope on the table that had written CPD on it. My Dad’s from C.O. Laois, Ireland 🇮🇪 so fucking with The Police 👮♀️ simply isn’t tolerated. Calling a Police Officer a “Pig” would(not could)get you an Irish Beating. My Dad had an Old Country Shalayle(forgive spelling)that would pass inspection by Jerry Adams(IRA)himself. Getting whipped with one of these things left welts and was very painful. Especially if accompanied by five/six cans of Old Dog.
I didn’t remember and The Hat said(famous last words)it wasn’t going anywhere. I was forced to open and hand over the CPD Letter to my Ps circa 2000. They were positive it was 501 related, but they’re horror heightened when they read the order to be at Homan for The Power Test.
If you’re in your Twenties or early Thirties BLOW This Pop Stand! It’s a fucking Hard Rain ☔️ that’s gonna fall. We went from that DOLT G-Mac who couldn’t hit H20 if he fell out of a boat to L.A’s Version coming soon.
Those who don’t learn are destined to Repeat & The CPD Refuses to learn that. Remember Ken Caminitti from The Houston Astro’s? He was The National League MVP at age 27 and a part of Houston’s Killer Bees 🐝
They were inter league play versus The Sox. Ken knew exactly where to go to score his H-Bomb(West Side)and those scumbags recognized him. They flipped the scrip and forced the former NL
MVP to show the Thugs where The Astro’s were staying. It turned into a shit show as SOS & SWAT had to
Remedy the situation.
When are we gonna close down The Open Air Markets that the Whole Country knows about? G-Mac did and he preferred to Humiliate his own guys at Compstat, one of whom sustained a Fallout met with G-Mac’s laughter.
Cat lady Weiss?! He placed a CPD Vet in a Federal Pen, ran his Gunt away from a 006th District R/C, and was a Complete waste of time.
Batter Up!
Get out the torches and pitchforks.
what you are going to get verse what you think your going to get in your pension are two totally different things. Leave and find another job
Mayor Daley contrived the "pension holliday" to side step making the contribution needed to properly fund the pensions, Mayor Emanuel engineered what was essentially a check kiting scheme that made the shortfall worse. With the chickens coming home to roost the state power brokers are trying to find a way of screwing the people that made promises to. (anyone in this state who thinks a politician can be trusted obviously needs their meds adjusted)
Am I grasping at straws, but once one is "vested" is that not a contract that the vested person has completed their obligation regardless of the the state constitution? would not any vested individual ,retired or still in pay status be grandfathered in ? otherwise the state could arbitrarily change their obligations of what to pay after products or services were rendered?
I think they can not do anything with the pension this time. If they see how easy it is to pass pensions are next. Fat a$$ stated that he could not guaranty that the tax scale would stay the same. Tax rate goes up at $250,000. Pretty easy for a couple working full time.
Put the bottle away.
What did you expect, when they started postponing pension payments it was just a matter of time. You have had a good run but now the piper has to be paid. You can't depend on the politicians to fix anything only making a bad situation worse if they succeed with the backdoor pension grab. Reminds me of Obama Care and the backdoor they used to screw up the entire medical system. If you like your pension you can keep it.
If they are feeling suicidal then let them fuck us out of (in some cases) retiree's only form of income. If you want to be the politicians to screw these gun toting sleeping bears over go for it! What does a person have to lose after the promise that he worked for his entire life is broken? Diminished? I wouldn't want to be on the wrong side of that. Oh, and the ones who provide you with protection... don't think they'll be exactly stumbling over themselves to help out either... they're getting fucked to.
This is complete and utter garbage, put out by the losers from the bogus NW side Republican group who are funded by Dan Profft and Bruce Rauner. Some people believe anything.
They want to raise our tax's and take away our pension. If you vote to keep Donohue or anyone on his ticket you get what you deserve.
Illinois HB 4594: The Criminal and Traffic Assessment Act. This Act implements key recommendations of the bipartisan Statutory Fee Task Force created by the General Assembly to study the current system of fines and fees in Illinois. You all know that this stupid thing has gutted police training and funding right? By Dec 2020 Nmhrt, the academies, ILETSB will be broke because bonds and bail is the funding source for training. But thanks to the politicians there is no alternate source of money. How they going to meet the consent decree now?
1/27/2020 03:53:00 AM
Have another drink then explain this rhetoric!
Martwick is scum, but the comment posted sounds like something someone with an axe to grind would post, and it seems like that someone has an axe to grind with Donahue. That’s all well and good, but the legality of what you’re stating here is what doesn’t hold water. Further, it seems like you’re trying to pin it on Democrats, which again, is all well and good, except that it was Rauner and the Republicans who wanted who started the war on pensions.
There’s a reason that all of the big labor groups throw big bucks at Madigan and the reason is simple. It’s up to you to do the math. An angel he is not, but he is not out to bite the hand that feeds him. Use your brains.
No good can come from letting the current crew in Springfield amend the State Constitution.
Everyone needs to explore the possibility of lawsuits if this is attempted. We need to be proactive and not reactive. Wonder if Krislov would be interested, or perhaps another powerful law firm.
If they are intent on cutting back pensions, they must also cut back on judicial pensions. Do you think the judges would side with them?
Remember, to fuck us Like that they also have to fuck the teachers.
Won’t happen.
The twisted logic of this post proves its obvious fiction.
Even if 1 or even 2 coppers got elected to something on the NW side, it would change nothing. Illinois is hard left now, period.
All of these guys running for this or for that are looking out for #1.
Put your pitchforks down and play ball with the people who are gonna call the shots.
Get to the end, and get out.
Wake up.
If erebrybody actually returned their votes, this fool would be out. Just like with Kim Foxx, and the Democrats. Get out and vote!! Or don’t throw a fit after.
This is the reason why the Democrats wish to disarm us.
FOP needs to launch a full out attack on this.
This is good. Why should we be forced to get a pension? Why am I forced to pat in to it? Just let me keep my own damn money and let me invest it as I see fit.
This may be way of attempt to tax our pensions. Which is lesser of two evils. If they shit can our pensions everyone would leave this shot hole of a state.
What about a back door to the residency state law?
So how do we go from passing a graduated tax to changing the constitution?
Someone want to connect the dots?
Either way, Illinois is in a death spiral.
Very Sad that an Officer survives 20 plus years working the streets of Chicago, protecting it's good citizens, decides to retire, does so, and has to worry about his/her financial future, because the pension money has been stolen. Living in limbo the rest of his/her days, which is probably cut short, because of the pension situation, sucks. We all followed the rules, had our pension monies taken out of our checks every 2 weeks, and this is the return we may get. Not fair, and should be against the law, if our pensions are even cut or changed in anyway. This city has many assets, and if they have to sell a few of them to cover pension obligations then so be it .As far as saving as much money as you can, and invest wisely, how well does that work, when your pension contributions are a fortune. We cannot sit idle and allow these things to happen. The powers to be, that would destroy peoples life
need to be voted out of office.
Ready on the Right ? Ready on the Left ? Ready on the Ready on ------ What say you RETIREES ?
What time is the Bus leaving from FOP for Springfield ? Its TIME to Enlighten OUR CROOKED POLITICIANS of the ERRORS OF THEIR WAYS !!!!!
Would you expect anything less from the most corrupt state in the country? Any of you who thinks u will be receiving the full pension are fools. We will be very lucky if they reduce it by only 20%.
You sold your soul to the democrat party. How's that working out for you? It was Madigan and his ilk that did not fully fund the pensions that created this crisis. Now you expect the people who created the problem to fix it?
Golf Tango Foxtrot Oscar
DONAHUE is the puppet master and
PREIB is the new Puppet!!!
The thieving Democrates took away Social Security from public sector employees and created SSI as welfare for people who never worked. Thanks Rostenkowski!
Will they give it back? I don’t think so that’s not what the progressive Demorates want. They want you to provide for the lowlifes in society who can’t seam to hold a job for 10 years. It’s the New Democratic way.
"Is there someone out there suitably versed in Pension Law who can enlighten the readership."
Yes, if the pension clause is not modified, the state will go insolvent or bankrupt. As if we were not knocking on the door right now, which we are.
Politicians may lie but math does not.
Math is math.
If they even get close to messing with our pensions.....we should strike.
Imagine Chicago without police for a couple days.
They have done it in Paris.....
It is the only way for us to have an impact.
The politicians will fuck the police if given a chance.
The pension problem was created by the politicians.
STRIKE is the reason the teachers always win. STRIKE for the children.
A bit of an Illinois history lesson.
There was only 27 months between the date of IL Gov George Ryan’s sentencing and IL Gov Rod Blago’s arrest.
What a disgrace this state remains. To all of our state and city politicians who continue to work with others who refuse to use email, texting etc... in the course of your elected workday, judgement day is arriving soon.
Cheers.
1/27/2020 03:53:00 AM
Dude, sure hope you dont get called down for a piss test anytime soon.
The only pensions that won’t be affected are those of elected officials.
Notice how we never hear about the funding levels of the politicians.
Honestly, it shit like the city/state fucking us that keeps me up at night.
so.....after working 40 years, and now living on a pension.....some are suggesting cutting the pension, and maybe I have to live on cat food?
I've said it before and will say it again. YOUR pension is not safe. When the pension bubble bursts, you will be transferred to Social Security and take a hit. The same Social Security Trust Fund that's in serious trouble. Save your money NOW.
If I want to buy options and essentially bet against Municipal Pensions, there is no such mechanism to do so. There is maybe one Pension Guaranty corporation left out there and there are limits.
There is a reason for that. They are certain to fail, the only question is when?
Save your money. The thieves are edging ever closer to making off with your cash via the Illinois Constitution back door for a claim of insolvency and there's not a fucking thing you can do to stop it.
Pensions in the UK, stolen. All over the EU. Cut by 60%. It has happened, can happen and most certainly will happen.
Be wise and many of you need to stop living like celebrities. Sorry. Be aware you are in quick sand with Pritzker and Madigoon. Be careful. God help you.
Donahue was a parochial moron, who has been taken care of from day one. The last time Martwick ran for Office, he had a Credible Working Class cop running against him. In that election, a female Sgt. from 008,023, 019 and 016 ran against him, AND THE FOP WOULD NOT ENDORSE HER! So once again, we are our own worse enemy! Remember, less than 20% of the Illinois Population receive pensions. Reducing pensions, or putting limits on them for Public Service Employees would not be rejected by the majority of the Illinois Electorate. Cops have few friends. Stay Strong. Baby "G"
Fuck with my pension and you will certainly not like how I act!
04:34am
You just displayed why weed should be illegal.
Why would Donahue do this? He has the same pension we have?
Yes, he does.
But I bet has other income streams to rely on. His police pension is small change to him.
Vote down anything that opens the state constitution.
Once it is open, they can destroy our pension.
36,000 city workers
65,000 state workers.
Cook county ?
Parks ?
Water Rec ?
Etc
Way to many on the government tit
IMPORTANT NOTE: thr right choice slate voted for Martwick and against one of our very own!
Anonymous said...
For the people that continue to say “ our pensions will be there. It’s state law”, keep saying that. Something needs to be done but NOBODY is doing a damn thing. The pension is not sustainable and will be gone eventually. Be prepared and don’t cry when it happens This has been tending this way for decades
1/27/2020 12:17:00 AM
When people always said “our pension is law” I laughed to myself and thought they must be very naive. There is no such thing as law when it comes to politicians. Especially Chicago and Illinois politicians. They can do whatever they want. Remember, all the judges are there friends.
Remember to Vote in the March Primary and November General.
The Grad Tax still hasn’t overwhelming support when it hits the ballot in November, but it’s being sold as “only for the rich”, most won’t see any change from the current rate of 4.95%. Which could be the reason for Dems secrecy to trying a back door amendment when it fails.
The real secret mystery back door deal is in the Taxing of Pensions.
One reason any back door attempt to overcome and change the IL Con is sketchy is the many former elected are receiving hefty six figure pensions. Another quagmire is the lobby of the consolidated Teachers unions and there are many. Not every tax dime collected will be come from the purse of just the everyday joe as far as IL Dems are concerned for revenues grabs.
I recall reading some finance rag that any IL pension reforms would only be for new hires, if that matters. Example was the CTU agreeing to increasing pension contributions to 9% for its new hires in 2016. That increase essentially effected a pension.
The Constitution Convention is controlled by the voter too, (failed in its last attempt to make changes and to even get one formed in 2008) Dems see the only way change anything is through amendments proposals. Tax all pensions or just gradually raise the regular working joe?
But again, will the other private and public unions go along?
What Dem will put there political career on the line to support this? All talk and expect little action.
If it’s only going to affect just the First Responders....sure as shit, then they’re always all in.
Vote-Vote-Vote.
I think Dems have bigger issues to tend to, like retaining at least 2 vulnerable U.S. House Reps to push the IL Grad Tax as a beneficial talking point. Though they all pushed it, JB Slaugherhouse signed it, they’re all quiet about it as a miracle revenue booster.
If you have friends and relatives that live in U.S. District 6 and 14 it’s imperative to remind them to oust Underwood (D-14) and Casten (D-06).
I’d like to see pastel Quigley (D-05) get run out as well as cranky two face Durban.
Anonymous said...
Speaking of Donahue and Martwick. Donahue got Kessum endorsed in 41, even though Committeeman don’t get endorsed It was done as a cover for the big fuck you he gave Otoole and to encourage Republican votes in 41, in a effort to hold down OToole’s numbers.
1/27/2020 01:25:00 AM
Why is it you have POLITICIANS running your FOP ? Is every single aspect of life in Chicago political ? Its a joke. You need real police officers looking out for YOU....not politicians
Hopefully Mike Madigan will be taken out of office before this travesty succeeds. Every time this comes up "the evil pensioners" are to blame for Illinois woes. Talk to everyone about this, family, friends, neighbors etc.
Anonymous said...
Have to make sure this election cycle that EVERYONE VOTES NO ON THE REFERENDUM!!!!! Have to make sure you encourage all relatives to vote NO
1/27/2020 12:19:00 AM
In the past 10 years about half of my relatives and wife’s relatives have moved out of state to Indiana, Wisconsin, Florida, Alabama, And Texas. The democrats are gonna get what they want
Then that means I’m here until 63.
The thought of this should scare everyone to the core including the public! Can you imagine what this would do to the morale of first responders across Illinois??? It's unthinkable. Who would ever apply for the job again after seeing politicians and judges(also politicians)completely deceive and screw over first responders? It's too late in the game to find another job or change financial arrangements, especially since we also do not get social security. Any change to the pension would completely deprive us of the opportunity to plan financially. We CAN NOT go back in time. If we knew this was going to happen, would we have even taken this job? No one told us on day one that, "oh yeah, there's a chance the politicians will purposely defund your pension and then change the law near the end of your career or in retirement." Most of us would have walked out and found employment elsewhere. What should be done is the elimination of the Gold Braid(connected persons)pension. That would be a start.
WOW! This is some great advertisement for first responder recruitment. NOT! Never trust a politician. Especially one from Illinois.
OFF TOPIC but not really. Whether or not your a fan of country music give a listen to George Straight (THE KING) honoring police officers, with the song UNDER THE WEIGHT OF THE BADGE
Thank you Sir
Donahue a &700 a month trustee and $85,000 a year FOP lobbyist. The FOP been berry berry good to me.
Illinois and Chicago are the most corrupt State and City in the United States!
Fact is, the state is broke. The debt is so great that the Dim's usual game plan of raising taxes to fix it simply isn't going to work anymore.
Lots of reasons for this, mostly lies on the part of the Dims, especially Madigan. But none of that really matters anymore. Where the new money comes from should be all that matters.
Everything should be on the table. Income tax, property tax, future pension payments out, future pension contributions in, etc. The question will be, to what extent will the voters of Illinois be involved? Or will we not be involved and end up with the greedy politicians cramming it down our throats?
The graduated income tax is the most threatening because it will immediately affect take-home pay for everyone in the state. While it spreads the burden over the widest possible taxpayer base, the potential threat is that it then leaves the door wide open to future rate changes. You may not be considered "wealthy" today, but what about tomorrow when even more is needed?
Property taxes? In our area, property taxes are already the highest (or nearly the highest) in the state. Other areas of the state maybe not so much.
The point is, the dirty pols are coming after us. And they're determined to get our money one way or another barring a Republican takeover. Getting Madigan out of office would be a great first step to head them off. To most Dims the taxpayers are simply a resource to be mined.
Then it would seem wise for each of us to determine in what area we can afford to bend a small amount to help get the debt down and beyond which we're unwilling to go. And then remain involved and vigilant and ready to raise a stink in Springfield when the pols exceed those limits.
If leaving the state is a realistic alternative, go for it. Makes it tougher for those who remain to compensate for your absence, but it creates more pressure.
There is no possible way to solve the pension crisis anymore. Sure, the rulers of this doomed state will raise taxes, because that is all that they know how to do in Springfield, Crook County, and Chicago.
That will only increase the flow of taxpayers out of this state, and the people moving into Illinois are mostly tax consumers, not tax payers. I'm leaving for Iowa in April.
I saw the handwriting on the wall some years ago, so when I hired on at Northern Illinois University as a lowly adjunct, I had a once in a lifetime choice from SURS, and I selected the Self-Managed Plan. So I get modest direct deposits each month from TIAA-CREF. My gamble was to last long enough to get vested in SURS, because then, federal law makes the state put in their contributions into my retirement account. I lasted a few years longer than the requirements for becoming vested.
One of my mentors is a noted expert in government finance, and Illinois governmental finance in particular. He told me some years ago at a Christmas Party, that he fully expects to get IOUs from SURS, instead of payments.
The only solvent Illinois Public Pension Plan is the IMRF, but they have a mandatory increase every year, and that will hit the fan during the next recession, most likely.
All the other public pension funds have been borrowed from, and the state seldom put in the matching funds required by law. The state bought peace from the public unions, by making pension promises that they knew full well could never be made.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but those are the facts.
Illinois needs a revolution!
Stay diligent people they keep trying to sneek this thru. Make sure to vote and encourage all family members in Illinois to do the same. Don’t let this creep thru by not voting. That’s what they are counting on. VOTE NO
Currently only 22% funded. City can cry broke but they are far from broke. TIF? Properties? City always bitches about having no money but always seems to have money for wasteful things and pet projects. Fund the damn pension
Donahue has made over 2 million dollars from the lodge in the last 20 plus years. He needs to go away! And speaking of FOP why do the clowns who have been field reps for the past few years, think that they deserve another 3 years of collecting our money?
Off topic but relates to Martwick-FOP endorsements
Get on over to the Al Gore worldwide internets’ or at your local $18 mil tax increase Open Sunday’s CPL and read the recent Nadig Newspaper (Jan 22nd) Russ Stewart article.
http://russstewart.com/russ-analysis.html
Kinda funny how they never mention the corrupt politicans!
This is nonsense. The proposed amendment does one thing, and one thing only -- allows for a progressive income tax. And BTW, that's about the only way we'll ever be able to fund the underfunded pensions.
Lori's gonna need a bailout from JB, and JB can't afford that without this tax.
This is nonsense. The proposed amendment does one thing, and one thing only -- allows for a progressive income tax. And BTW, that's about the only way we'll ever be able to fund the underfunded pensions.
Lori's gonna need a bailout from JB, and JB can't afford that without this tax.
Constitution may only changed as provided by Constitution; there is no "legislative back door", no matter what bill may be concocted or signed.
A couple of week ago before the Martwick vote someone posted that Mark Donahue was a 2 million dollar man. That’s 2 million of FOP money into his pockets. But I see on Facebook that 990 tax filing for 2110 showed Mark Donahue made $209,709.00. That figure of 2 million needs to be adjusted to 2.5 million. Dougherty, Capparelli, Aguilar have all made in excess of 1 million also. Closer to 1.5 million. And they are all sellout to the democrats. 100% right on endorsing Kessem to draw vote away from O’Toole. You cannot claim Donahue is dumb, just very devious.
Everyone sucking up the government kool aid on the doom and gloom. Number 1, there are two ways the constitution can be amended, one is chronological and the other is every general election. This is the general election version. It still has to be voted on either way, so take past history for what you will on where it will go this time around.
Also consider that although past legal attempts to impair pensions have failed in Illinois, changing the constitution also has legal ramifications. In Illinois, pensions are considered a contractual obligation, not a gratuity as most people like to think of them.
Litigation has to follow it's course. The course for past attempts demanded state court review, where it always failed. There was no cause for any past litigation to be reviewed by any other judiciary because the circumstances were never proper for a different venue.
IF, and that's a huge IF, the legislature either used this opportunity to ammend an area of the constitution not put before the voters who passed it based upon different circumstances, that too would likely fail at the state level. In the event the legislature were to correctly attempt to inform the public and ask for their vote to open the constitution for the purpose of diminishing benefits and the vote passed and the pensions were diminished, you now have the proper course of legal action to refer the case to the federal court system to apply federal contracts law on your behalf. Once the state has taken and passed measures to diminish pensions at a level higher than the state supreme court has the authority to review, you move the case to federal court and make the complaint the federal contract law has been violated by the state.
Make no mistake, in Illinois pensions are and have always been considered a contractual benefit. This history cannot be removed as it's already happened and has been thoroughly vetted. Take that fact to the federal courts and the following kicks in:
Article 1, S10 - Contracts Clause
The only way around this is bankruptcy. Only the congress can pass laws allowing states to file bankruptcy, state court doesn't have the power. You think anyone in congress wants to present to the world that state governments in this country can legally escape their financial responsibility? There is no provision in federal . bankruptcy that states only state emplooyees can be taken to the woodshed for a financial haircut. No, EVERY creditor gets shat upon and that includes major corporations and foreign entities as well.
If you think congress will ever allow states to escape their obligations due to poor financial management I have a bridge to sell you.
Now ShitCago on the other hand, that's a different story. Municipal bankruptcy can happen, it's already happened elsewhere the state just has to authorize it.
Once again, what happens to ALL the creditors who've done business with the city? No matter who is at the helm, they can try to sell it any way they want to the peons who pay the taxes but in the end, municipal bankruptcy screams loud and clear PUT YOUR MONEY ELSEWHERE.
Take a look at Detroit. Still a shithole, everyone that left aint coming back. City services are still shit and it hasn't gotten any better. They can just pay their bills now is all that's changed. And I mean just now, because they still have a financial cliff waiting for them in the near future. They will once again likely attempt to file bankruptcy. And what do you think happens then?
There ain't no manufacturing hub in Detroit anymore. They have nothing else and attract nothing else because there's no one there who can perform high functioning jobs. Samsung wouldn't put a headquarters in Detroit when the only people left living there can't even hold down a job at McDonalds.
Because it's far more than just "your money" stupid. Roughly 225k of it is "your money", after that it's taxpayer money which is where the "benefit" is.
Donahue could not endorse Dan O’Toole a cop but had no problem endorsing Fran Hurley. Speaks volumes. Drain the swamp.
George doesn’t do shit at T5
All he dose is walk around T5 like a grandma.
He shouldn’t be a cop.
But now he have Sargent Frank on his side that’s why he doesn’t do a shit .
Illinois and Chicago are the most corrupt state and city in the United States.
Anyone was stays in Illinois after retiring is nuts. Move to a state tax free state like I did. My tax man was able to get me reimbursed from Illinois after they taxed my last comp time payout.
Hey Donahoe,,,go away,,,,you've been feeding from the trough long enough
"most won’t see any change from the current rate of 4.95%"
For ONE year. After the first year they will put a tax hike on everyone who makes much more than minimum wage. And it won't solve the problem. The pension problem will quickly out grow the additional revenue (if there is any) even if the state uses it for pensions.
Politicians made promises they knew could not be kept to get and keep support from government employees. They figured it would be much further down the road and it would have been if interest rates hadn't been lowered to near zero for the TBTF banks.
The Illinois tax payer is squeezed out, the progressive income tax is just going to be turn the press tighter hoping something comes out. What will come out is people fleeing the state.
There is wide spread pension abuse in Illinois, that is for sure. The teachers and school boards are the biggest offenders. They pad the last years salary to add to the pensions and give huge pensions to administrators. Education, in general rapes the Illinois tax payers from the universities to the grade schools. Trades in Illinois also get great pensions based on inflated salaries, pay and benefits that are not within their reach in private industry. As far as the police go, the average cop does not get a great pension, not great for the beating his body and mind takes for decades. That is except for the Gold Braid bill in the police department which is used as a patronage tool. Then there is no reason state legislators should be getting a pension as well as Chicago aldermen, all of this for a part time job. Not sure how this will turn out, but the media is all aboard for a change in the constitution and the public is not on the side of public employees, especially the police. If you go on the BGA website, you will find the top pension getters are all in the education field. You know, they must have the best and brightest only. Double dipping for the connected is common.Taxing pensions is next.
Pensions? Don't talk about pensions. You kidding me? Pensions? I just hope we can get another paycheck.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
so.....after working 40 years, and now living on a pension.....some are suggesting cutting the pension, and maybe I have to live on cat food?
1/27/2020 10:14:00 AM
I doubt that
For all of you North Side former Democrats who are new Republicans and decrying the Dems for taking away your pensions, there are 2 legislative measures to do so and both are sponsored by Republicans. SJRCA0009 sponsored by Republican Senator Chuck Weaver and HJRCA0020 sponsored by Republican Representative Sosnowski. Both will open a repeal of the pension protection provisions in our constitution. Go to ILGA.GOV and punch either number into the box on the left and read them for yourself.
You know how the song goes, "when you ain't got nothing, you got, nothing to lose."
Choose wisely politicians.......
What does Graham say about this, nothing.
He has his ducks in a row for himself.
The purpose of the progressive tax is to tax us more and ultimately shore up pensions. How long will it take to get 8% or more? 3-4 years. The question is, who will be left to pay it.
There is no way that change can open a back door to your pensions. It would take another separate amendment to do that.
Who the fuck would listen to the FOP about anything, shit. They can barley get the books out on time. Do your own homework.
They can sell Midway and fund our pensions. Just like they sold the parking meters and the skyway.
Sorry but the Wod is not back in patrol. He’s hiding out at ISD or whatever unit 125 is.
For 10:14 a.m
The only thing is how the hell does one save by having to live in the city? It's not successful by any means or great savings at the end of the day ..if they get rid of the pension we must get rid of RESIDENCY rule to have a chance at real savings.
Where are all the Donahue ass kissers. That big moron was the idiot why there are so many different DOG's 4 and 2 was the only way to go. Wait till all you rugrats get old, see if you want to work more than four days even more so in today's anti-police sanctuary shitty. Donahue got the worst contracts,period. The last contract I voted yes for, before I retired was the last one under another boob Dineen. And most of you forgot,or don't even know, why your paying too much for health insurance. The original contract it was voted on, for ONLY $2 per check, what is it now,eh was voted down and the idiot FOP president got an extra $100 uniform allowance which gave it just enough votes to pass the second time around after enough degenerate gamblers got it over the edge. If any of you think any of these FOP people are for you you're nuts. Take away their inflated salaries and see who wants the job, even sitting on your ass doing nothing. The newest idiot Graham says nothing about arbitration until the ballots are almost here. Why? He wants to keep his do-nothing big pay job. Still in Vernon Hills big boy? FOP- we won't endorse a policeman against anti 2nd amendment, good friend of Arena, Martwick. Take away all the FOP perks and get people who want to do the right thing for the good of it, not the do,re,mi!!!$$$
Wake up and start to let everyone know. Vote the POS Martwick and also Fox. Then vote in November anyway you want and vote No on the Progressive Tax. Save your pension or be ready to bend over.
There is 3-5 people going for random drug testing every day at O’Hare 050 this is not random there should be A grievance filed for harassment this has been going on since late November. Are you listening FOP unit rep?
Quick, Gorilla glue that Illinois Constitution shut.
Keep this assholes away
You can keep the Constitutional clause but you can't make people live in IL or Chicago and continue to pay into the pensions. People will vote with their feet and then next will be to ask for an unpopular federal bailout.
https://www.libertarianism.org/podcasts/building-tomorrow/who-wants-retire-millionaire?
We need to copy Australia's retirement system Superannuation funds!
Hey 4:45 PM first of all, it’s “Sergeant” not “Sargent” and 2nd of all “your boy” is useless, ask anyone unfortunate enough to have to deal with his nonsense.
To 4:25,, C(sh)itcago can not afford to declare bankruptcy due to that parcel of land connected by Foster known as O'Hare. It now accounts for upwards of 70% of the c(sh)ities coffers, and they cant lose that. Declaring bankruptcy would mean losing the last cash cow that keeps this shitberg afloat.
Anyone hired under the current language of cannot be diminished or impaired would have a class action lawsuit! New hires after the language takes affect are screwed,but they would know that going in.
Guess were starting up a cookie jar instead of a pension?
Anonymous said...
This is nonsense. The proposed amendment does one thing, and one thing only -- allows for a progressive income tax. And BTW, that's about the only way we'll ever be able to fund the underfunded pensions.
Lori's gonna need a bailout from JB, and JB can't afford that without this tax.
1/27/2020 03:55:00 PM
I dont know whether to laugh at this or cry. This is the problem. People seem to be too stupid to realize this tax will NEVER make the pensions whole. Jeez man...this is exactly what Jabba and all the other crooks want you to think. How stupid can you be ?
“Anonymous said...
Fact is, the state is broke. The debt is so great that the Dim's usual game plan of raising taxes to fix it simply isn't going to work anymore...
Lots of reasons for this, mostly lies on the part of the Dims, especially Madigan. But none of that really matters anymore...
Everything should be on the table. Income tax, property tax, future pension payments out, future pension contributions in, etc....
The graduated income tax is the most threatening because it will immediately affect take-home pay for everyone in the state...
Property taxes? In our area, property taxes are already the highest (or nearly the highest) in the state........”
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States broke? I doubt that. An example why is the State offering lifetime HEALTHCARE for employees AND families! And the City took ours away.
Highest property tax...? Probably. I know I need two months pension checks to pay my property tax. Thank God the house is paid for.
But I am sick of so much of my tax money going to schools. Especially the teachers!
How about a forensic audit of the City and States books to see where all the real money goes?
There’s a reason that all of the big labor groups throw big bucks at Madigan and the reason is simple. It’s up to you to do the math. An angel he is not, but he is not out to bite the hand that feeds him. Use your brains.
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I have news for you. Madigan created a pension Ponzi scheme that will implode. Do you think he gives a fuck about the rank and file average Joe worker. He’s in his mid-70’s and sold a bullshit pension to remain in power so he could make tens of millions doing property tax appeals. Like Cullerton, he will leave soon and enjoy his cash 💰 he made from the dimwits that supported his bullshit that ultimately fucked over this state and City. Here’s the truth: there is NO WAY on God’s green earth that 38% funded pensions will ever be paid 100%. The progressive tax will cause more people to leave. Once passed, the rates will increase not only on those making $250,000 or more BUT everyone b/c there will not be enough cash to make the pensions solvent. On top of that, Madigan’s and Cullerton’s replacements will probably be far left communists who was to promote FREE SHIT without a means to pay for everything. The state’s brain trust is getting worse. Make a plan and get out.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
A couple of week ago before the Martwick vote someone posted that Mark Donahue was a 2 million dollar man. That’s 2 million of FOP money into his pockets. But I see on Facebook that 990 tax filing for 2110 showed Mark Donahue made $209,709.00. That figure of 2 million needs to be adjusted to 2.5 million. Dougherty, Capparelli, Aguilar have all made in excess of 1 million also. Closer to 1.5 million. And they are all sellout to the democrats. 100% right on endorsing Kessem to draw vote away from O’Toole. You cannot claim Donahue is dumb, just very devious.
1/27/2020 04:16:00 PM
WTF!!! I never knew what a 990 form was. Dougherty made 153k+ in 2100? times that by 12 years? WTF if you vote for any of the following:
Donahue 2.5 million
DiMaria 1.9 Million
Dougherty 1.8 Million
Ag-u-liar 1.6 Million
Graham 1 Million
you just save the time an bend over and grab your ankles now!
If you are retired and still live in Illinois the only good reason is because Illinois doesn't tax retirement payments. That can be changed without opening the state constitution, stand by for the change. There are other states that offer the same benefit and are not ready to go under. Find one and get out.
No money for pensions but plenty for welfare and free shit for the criminal aliens!
You voted for the democrats! You get what you deserve! Enjoy it!
I was a part time university instructor. I had 1-2 courses each semester, usually one, for 7 years. There were a few semesters that I did not teach. When I hit 60 years of age, not only did the state give me a pension but free health care for life. Now as a tax payer, I object. But, as a former part time University employee, I think this is great. Not a great pension, a little over $200 a month, but the health care, for free, is the best thing. I really did not know anything about this until I got a letter from the state a few months before my 60th birthday. I also get greatly reduced eye and dental. The fact the mayor ended health care completely for retirees is just plain wrong. But especially for police and fire. That profession will beat the hell out of you and you cannot be effective as you age. So, what do you do? Go bankrupt to get health care if you retire anytime in your 50's ?
The Illinois Legislator has until the end of March to put the pension question on the ballot. That is the only way to open the pension clause absent a constitutional convention. There is no back door.
We have alot of cops on disability that need to get back to work. The pension board needs to be more proactive in investigating these abusers. I have no issue with somebody that is obviously disabled. This money is needed to help fund the plan.
I'm a retiree with skin in the game, and I think there are a lot of reasons to worry about public support for taxing our pensions. In some way, sentiment against our situation has to grow every time there is a story in the media about pension boosting, extravagant final numbers for a select few, and cumulative lifetime payouts after very modest career contributions.
Both so called Parties, yeah like theyre actually separate, know without any doubt that the PARTY ha ha is indeed over. Their precious progressive income tax, actually known as systemic inequality, is finally made mandatory as the only thing possible that bankers will continue to loan money to.
Pat ourselves on the back guys and gals. Yer Unions have succeeded in totally destroying this state. Now, yet no longer exempts and you will finally feel what the rest of us have been enduring all along.
As SCC has warned for a very long time, play stupid games...win stupid prizes. indeed.
They are the very Democrats you voted for and yet you all seem surprised by this. They finally realize they are running out of people and things to tax so now they are going to begin cuts. won't cut welfare to many votes at stake but you on the other hand. Suggest next election you all stop pulling that D lever. Way to late to save your pensions but it might help in other areas.
Now that he gimmes votes out number the city workers votes they have deemed you expendable. Hands that feeds them now pay no taxes
Your screwed and nit much you can do to stop it. Welcome to the real world of much less than six figure pensions. No way that those promises could be delivered. Your about to eee a move to 401 type plans for all city and state workers. Blame the politicians AND your unions for the unreasonable demands.
I would totally trust a union ex-president like Donahue (sarc). After all in 2003 at the retirement seminar, when he was president, he personally guaranteed that if I retired now with 30years I would get the 75% (instead of 70%) just as soon as the new contract was settled. He also told members with 33 years to stick around for 80% that he expected to get them. When the contract was finally settled (I believe 2005) he agreed with the city to only make it retroactive to retirees after Jan 2004 even though the pension multiplier was adjusted back to 1998 to bring it to 75% for 29+ years of service. After initially being told by the pension board that we would be getting 75% we received another letter saying nevermind. Those who stuck around for the dream of 80% also never saw it. But the important thing is Donahue still draws from the teat of the union and city, so all is well.
Then that means I’m here until 63.
Me too brother. I was planning on leaving in three years at 55 but if they mess with the pension I’ll stick around and start to use this Medical and IOD Program a bit. They’ll have to fire me at 63. I’m sure there will be many that would stay. Can’t sue or fire us for doing nothing. Just saying. Don’t know how the city thinks they’re going to get rid of medical and cut our pension and expect people to retire.
Maybe the city should take a second look at the $1 BILLION they gave to Lincoln Yards from the TIF accounts. Lincoln Yards is rumored to be financed by Pritzker’s and Crown’s. Both families already billionaires.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anyone was stays in Illinois after retiring is nuts. Move to a state tax free state like I did. My tax man was able to get me reimbursed from Illinois after they taxed my last comp time payout.
1/27/2020 05:00:00 PM
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Illinois IS a tax free state, for pensions right now. They don't tax your pensions or def comp payouts. It's a friendly retirement state. The problems are the state is broke, the property taxes pretty much make up for the lack of a state income tax on retirees and the weather blows. Our pensions are in definite peril and it's sooner than you realize. Once these charlatans open up the state constitution for a progressive income tax, they'll tax the hell out of everything that moves and then they'll tax those retirement funds. Our last Hope was Rauner who completely screwed the pooch but he had a mandate to reform the corruption and failed so we got this inflated, fat nincompoop that hasn't got a clue how to balance this states finances without crushing the working class who will leave and the problem will never get fixed.
Pay off your bills, plan on whatever pension money you've got coming, being cut, maybe in half and contribute as much as you can to def comp and private retirement savings plans because our pension is gonna change in probably 5 years and I guarantee you won't like it.
There is 3-5 people going for random drug testing every day at O’Hare 050 this is not random there should be A grievance filed for harassment this has been going on since late November. Are you listening FOP unit rep?
1/27/2020 08:17:00 PM
Relax.
What’s the grievance...3-5 hours in round trip travel time or that traffic is a bitch and the twitchy Sgt keeps looking to log you?
Just hope that propane off-gassing doesn’t get mistaken for fentanyl compounds.
The MS RDU done this before.
Special Units get their turn in the barrel, least often then Dist Patrol.
The cycle will be over by 2nd Per and in 7 -10 years they’ll do it all over again.
Anonymous said...
There is 3-5 people going for random drug testing every day at O’Hare 050 this is not random there should be A grievance filed for harassment this has been going on since late November. Are you listening FOP unit rep?
1/27/2020 08:17:00 PM
You get paid for testing sit there the maximum amount of time!
i have news for the 41st ward becareful of madighan , burke and the 19th ward. in another 3 more years they will try to install their southside alderman or attempt to get timmy ( im irish) heneghan elected. -keep your friends close and your enemies even closer.
There needs to be two term limits on all elected offices and eliminate all pensions for elected officials.
Wake up and let everyone that you can Boys and girls. Vote NO on the Progressive Tax. The pension that you save will be yours
Anonymous said...
There is 3-5 people going for random drug testing every day at O’Hare 050 this is not random there should be A grievance filed for harassment this has been going on since late November. Are you listening FOP unit rep?
1/27/2020 08:17:00 PM
You get paid for testing sit there the maximum amount of time!
1/28/2020 01:49:00 PM
"Are you listening FOP unit rep?"
"A grievance for harassment"???
GTFOH!!
Bring your gripe to the rep, don't bitch about it on this blog.
Some people look for any reason to whine
retired here so i get to see more local news than i can stomach. every day, yes every day, fat man and little girl hold a presser giving away 20 million here there and everywhere for some uselss new program while the existing bills go unpaid. gotta feed the taxeating beast or no votes for you ! when exactly does welfare run out of money ? pensions, s.s and medicare all have use by dates when they expire. what about the sittin at home checks ? also a correction to mr 5:12 that i have heard so often. union tradesmen do not make more than private sector in wages benefits and pensions. illinois is a union state and union scale IS the prevailing rate that all big jobs are supposed to pay. even playing field and all that. we are talking about real tradesmen not some drunk hillbilly that built your deck. govt tradesmen actually make LESS because they have to pay their own pension and medical out of that union wage, on the outside its paid 100% by the union. we make roughly seargents pay. if you think we are overpaid make the switch and work all day every day outside in our beautiful weather in the mud and drive 60 miles plus each way for the rest of your life to ever changing locations. most of our jobs are 6-7 days a week 10-12 hrs a day all winter holidays included. no days off until job is done or you have bones sticking out. take a day, dont come back. long time multi generational cpd family, worked for the union and the city, have children on the job and also part of the citys failing pension. point here is the evil unions didnt kill the city, nor did the cpd or other govt employees. the govt pension scheme was never inherently unworkable if after setting them up to secure the union vote the politicians had done the hard work to fund them from the get go.we know politicians love ribbon cuttings, but the behind the scenes funding mechanisms to maintain bridges and roads, schools and pensions dont have the glitz and glamour as the unvieling of a new program. everyone wants to point their fingers at the workers who never had a choice in any of this.they set up the pension, they decided the amount out of every check, they invested it, and they decided how much you get when you retire. now theres no money and its my fault. progressive logic at its best. united we stand, divided we fall. oh, and fuck you daley !
The Random Drug tests are Bullshit,A Few Years Ago I went in for it and Everybody there was in My Academy Class,It was nice to see them but they admitted they were pulling entire Classes.
WTF!!! I never knew what a 990 form was. Dougherty made 153k+ in 2100? times that by 12 years? WTF if you vote for any of the following:
Donahue 2.5 million
DiMaria 1.9 Million
Dougherty 1.8 Million
Ag-u-liar 1.6 Million
Graham 1 Million
Does anyone know how much Hauser made as trustee?
I could care less what that fat bastard and the rest of his goons are planning down in springfield. I work for the city of chicago and want just what I was promised when I accepted an offer of employment from them almost 30 years ago. The unfunded pension liability is fast approaching 40 billion dollars and a lot of that is attributable to the city not making required yearly payments into the fund. Many other cities have healthy pension funds because someone with a brain handled the finances. If there's money to give to these slobs who sit on the couch all day then there's money to give me that I earned.
I'm in municipal employees pension. I read that's also where the alderthiefs get theirs from. So imo that's a safety net. They're not going to let it go bust then they get nothing. Haven't heard anything about police pension since jb consolidated it what's going on with that?
If they open a constitutional convention, a new state constitution will be drafted. Maybe not in whole but enough tweaks to allow them to access and diminish pensions as needed. Anything they are talking about now is only a guise to get in and address the pension issue in the Constitution. PERIOD. We can only hope the teachers unions are smart enough to see through this and put their foot on the throats of the politicians proposing it. ONCE IN, THEY WILL SCREW US OUT OF OUR PENSIONS. DO NOT BE FOOLED!!!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
There is 3-5 people going for random drug testing every day at O’Hare 050 this is not random there should be A grievance filed for harassment this has been going on since late November. Are you listening FOP unit rep?
1/27/2020 08:17:00 PM
So what. Let them send you for testing every week, what difference does it make? You are getting paid to go and piss in a cup.
Now if you are inhaling, injecting, or ingesting illegal narcotics, or like a little nip from the bottle while on duty, that's another story, and I can see why you would be concerned. Wise up.
So now Lori is going to spend 20 million dollars on new voting machines so that it will make it easier for the disadvantaged to vote. I find this offensive because it's like saying people of color don't know how to vote. Wow Wow
Anonymous Anonymous said...
WTF!!! I never knew what a 990 form was. Dougherty made 153k+ in 2100? times that by 12 years? WTF if you vote for any of the following:
Donahue 2.5 million
DiMaria 1.9 Million
Dougherty 1.8 Million
Ag-u-liar 1.6 Million
Graham 1 Million
Does anyone know how much Hauser made as trustee?
This makes no sense makes 153K in 2100? Where are all these numbers coming from? DiMaria 1.9 million
Ralph Papa Thorson Says:
Don't vote yes for anything while Democrats are in charge because whatever it is will be just another way to screw you. What part of this don't you understand by now ????
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