JISC Failure?
- A $4.8 million-a-year city program that was supposed to divert juveniles away from the criminal justice system and toward social services “may actually re-traumatize” young people or “increase their likelihood of re-offending,” Inspector General Joe Ferguson said Tuesday.
Fourteen years after the Juvenile Intervention and Support Center was created, Ferguson concluded that it’s impossible to determine whether the goal of reducing juvenile recidivism has been accomplished in exchange for the city’s investment.
That’s because of a host of problems ranging from poor record keeping, destroyed case records and lack of collaboration between Chicago Police and the Department of Family and Support Services to inadequate training of police officers who bid for their jobs based on seniority — not on “experience or aptitude for working with youth.”
Ferguson acknowledged it’s “unlikely the program is leading to a greater number of arrests.” But his audit also concluded: “Components of the design do not align with best practices of youth diversion programs and may actually re-traumatize youth or increase their likelihood of reoffending.”
All of which was raised at the time, but dismissed because everyone knows police don't have any experience working with troubled youths or even with the criminal justice system.
We're actually thinking this is a veiled attack on the seniority system as well.
We're actually thinking this is a veiled attack on the seniority system as well.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
58 Comments:
and yet, he finds NOTHING wrong with CPD cheating?
unbelievable
Ferguson really needs an attitude adjustment when it comes to the police. Everything is our fault. What a douche. He probably has Arena’s number in his speed dial.
Here we go with the liberal temper tantrum about out of control juveniles being handcuffed and restrained, which is mostly for their protection as well as ours. I think Ferguson is being paid by Soros with all the BS that comes from this fool.
Furguson is a failure.
He needs to STFU.
I don't know how that guy looks himself in the mirror.
There’s a female juvy who has had many police encounters over the years. The encounters range from missing person, trafficking, battery, prostitution, theft, etc. On our 6th police encounter for stealing cellular phones, she told me that she attended the diversion program at the JISC and they played softball and they had a pizza party scheduled for the following week. It’s a waste, get rid of it. These juvy are commiting dangerous crimes, they don’t need softball game.
There is no way that merely being processed at the JISC causes a juvenile to re-offend-other than perhaps the JISC is TOO EASY on these asshole kids.
The JISC is relatively quiet, there are no bars on the cells, it’s a lot cleaner than a regular lock-up, if you are processed there, most likely you’re going home, and he’ll, if mamma says she can’t pick you up, you’re even given a ride.
Lemmer creates and then destroyed the JISC. He got greedy. Instead of balancing out the districts and including some in good areas where parents actually gave a fuck about their kids and would force them to go to counseling, he insisted on all of the worst fucking districts citywide, resulting in almost no participation in counseling sessions. Lemmer would then send JISC personnel to the fucked up homes and threaten kids and their parent with re-arrest for not participating. It was an empty threat.
Lemmer then took away all detective discretion and just about all arrests would be assigned counseling, which overwhelmed the handful of civilian counselors there. They then began slowing down and found any reason possible to refuse the kid, such as minor errors on paperwork.
Finally, the relationship between the police and public is a contentious one. It has to be. The police are the ones who try to catch you when you do wrong. It is a cat and mouse game. The police will always be in that role, no matter how much “working WITH the community” bullshit is out there. Having the police, who have caught you doing wrong them immediately try to be the person that will inspire someone to turn their lives around will never work.
Let the police just be the police
Well, who is in charge of the JISC? Oh ok.. carry on. That sound about right.
Shut up Joe. You can't investigate your way out of a paper bag.
The city would love to destroy seniority. At the same as someone with 25 years how does anyone come to work and do absolutely nothing. If seniority is ever taken it’s these people I will blame.
I spent my entire childhood taking steps to never get caught. If I had only known I could have done anything I wanted and it would all get squashed in time to enlist.
How is this possible? Wasn't the person recently in charge there promoted for his accomplishments?
I was in several meetings when this nonsense was presented and EACH one of these issues and MORE were brought up and dismissed by Daley’s people, including some ranking fools on this Department. The fact that Lemmer was allowed any command position in this organization is possibly one of the greatest management errors that can never be undone. The citizens and officers deserve better.
Where the hell has this IG been?
Anyone working there or officer bringing a kid there could tell him
This was a joke to begin with.
Best kept secret in the d unit next to SVU in the areas..
Well no one ever instituted Pizza Parties so that may be an option. How the fuck can you traumatize a kid less than letting them get away with crime Scot-Free?????
Joe Ferguson is a machine pos. He refuses to investigate loris chosen permanent victim class types. He also refuses to investigate filing of false reports by loris inner circle intended to harass and intimidate disabled senior citizens who happen to question corruption by loris administration. He needs to be fired.
Call me crazy, I'm beginning to think Ferguson is an idiot.
It is an attack on the seniority system.
What in Cover-up Joe’s mind equates to “experience’ with juveniles?
Why is the finger pointed square at the CPD and not Shortshanks who
instituted this program. Where is the blame at the alderthieves for not
properly funding training for this program.
Why are the police involved at all? It should be that police deliver juveniles
to social workers for evaluation with no police facilities involved.
Just another dumbocRAT smoke and mirrors feel good program.
Ferguson’s job is that of providing cover for the mayor.
More wasted tax money compliments of the residents of Norwood Pk., Mt. Greenwood, Wicker Pk. etc. ♠️
The jisc is one of the most pointless things this department has. The detectives are some of the biggest crybaby, butter A holes out there. Lazy, lazy, lazy!!! They don’t have to get hand outs or an inbox from the area then they complain when an arrest comes in and they have to screen them. The screening process takes half a brain, a phone call and about 5 min or less of “paperwork” ie a fillable PDF form. The place is a pain and draws manpower away. Put the useless POS back in districts and send the useless detectives back to SVU or general assignment where they can’t bother anyone. The place is useless. If every district is getting more detectives why not have one SVU detective in each district just to deal with juvenile arrests. One detective on each watch. That’s it and that is their only job. It would expedite the process and be easier instead of process in the district, bring to the jisc, get into an argument with the bitter detective, wait an hour for a 20 min process then have to take the juvy to the Audi. Process, finger print and photograph and Detective in district screen him and released or sent to audy all in district. Jisc does nothing except slow the process up.
Move to Hong Kong you Commie Bastard.
Every permanent Hong Kong resident will now receive
HK $10,000 (about $1,200) to compensate them for the
double whammy of the Coronavirus and the recent protests.
JF: "Sometimes this tin foil hat seems like the weight of the
world."
Who was in charge of the JISC for a long time before becoming head of compstat.... Lemmer!!
So who will get the 4.8 million now?
To be fair, while seniority is a valuable tool for determining SOME assignments, I’ve always thought that seniority can’t be used in every situation. This is common sense.
For things like VRI and CTA, or bidding from district to district, Or even certain units (Airport, Mass Transit) it absolutely makes sense. When the skills required are (or should) be possessed by every member potentially bidding, them the fairest way to decide is seniority.
When determining selection for some things though- like in this situation at the JISC- someone with training/experience in dealing with youth may be better suited than some guy who’s only qualification is managing not to get fired over a 28 year career.
Not hating on seniority, but now that I’ve finally got some, I realize that I’m just not necessarily cut out for every job just because I’ve managed to stick around longer than someone else.
However when it comes to those OT programs, step to the back of the line young buck, it’s my turn at the trough!!!!
YOU get a car! YOU get a car!
So which connected "community group" or "church" has been getting the money and "losing" the records??
Seniority should not matter until anyone applying to those units can prove they have the experience or qualifications for the job. 20 year vet that only worked the desk should not disqualify a 7 year Po that has worked previously with teens.
Being assigned too the JISC wagon is the best gig in the city! You ride around the Dist doing nothing all day waiting to see if you have to transport some Juvenile home! Simply because his parents refuse to come pick him up. We'll at least in my Dist it is they are not assigned jobs.
The city improperly staffed the JISC when it opened because no one wanted to work there. Detectives who weren't even youth detectives were assigned to work there. There were grievances filed because seniority wasn't used to pick the "honored" alumni who were selectively assigned.
IMHO, I never though the JISC was a necessary unit. Since it was a federally funded program, it cost the city very little to no money to open, and operate. I don't see where all the dollars are going to be quite frank. When the JISC opened, it had it's own vehicles. Marked, unmarked, and full size vans for their own transports. It also had a full staff. Now it is running at half staff of when it first opened. Also it came to encompass the missing persons section for some unknown reason. Their staff numbers include that missing persons staff, and have entirely two different functions to perform. Since the JISC processes almost half of the city's juvenile arrests that must seem like a bargain to the city for only 4.8 million dollars. They then took away all their vehicles and half of their staff. Then they added more districts to process from, and brought in the missing persons section. The civilian youth counselors are all short timers who don't stay too long. Many of the juveniles processed there have over 10-15 arrests. Recidivism? What a joke!
The records keeping is all electronic, so I don't know how records can be "lost". It's more likely the city just did not want to share any info. Doing so would shine the light of day on some very dark numbers and records keeping.
The whole concept of the JISC was "shale" from the beginning. It continues to this day because of the federal funding it received because it "was all for the children." I suspect that if the funding was cut, things would soon revert back to the areas as in the "Olde" days.
Oh, and I love the attached articles comment that the JISC is "John Burge's" Old stomping grounds. That irrelevant fact makes the article more credible I assume. The JISC is broken because the Department is broken. The Department is broken, because the city is broken.
Joe will make it al go away in exchange for a longer contract for himself. Like he did with he Lie-tenants test.
How does someone judge, " experience and aptitude for working with youth"? Are there written guidelines and a solid working definition for that label? Is there a testing process to determine the " aptitude"? Or is this just someone's judgement on the issue and how does Joe get the knowledge and experience to judge this entire matter?
At the beginning of the JISC program there was an optimistic agenda with realistic potential. The format was to have a NEW way of providing outreach for the youth that were involved. The officers working out of the station were decent and a working relationship was being established. Granted there were some shitheads but for the most part everyone was respected. Commander Johnson didn't take any bullshit either. She made sure to call out the bullshit if the caseloads didn't measure up. Well, SOCIAL SERVICE pundits entered into the equation and began resorting back to the same old ideology of case management and pitted case managers against the outreach workers at the expense of the youth to be served. Male workers who were with proven credibility and a working knowledge of the city and streets were subjected to being undermined by social service bimbos who became jealous. Ferguson is partially right in his assessment but where is Sinai Community Institute? Why was SCI not mentioned? Ferguson should seek out individuals who were at the JISC in 2006! Seek out the insight from those who saw firsthand how screwed up the program was bound to become and maybe Ferguson would have a bit more objective bitch and gripe review of the JISC. I left and have never looked back! I now work at a damn zoo! I am treated the same though....like shit!
Blame the Police Fergie the phony, seniority vs working with youth, maybe just assign all the new recruits who have real experience having been previously arrested.
One of dumbest airhead caseworkers would ALWAYS add basketball, free YMCA memberships, bus cards to a treatment plan for "Lil Ray-Ray." She thought she was truly a scholar but was NOTHING more than the typical nut job (😉) that kissed as much ass because she came from an agency where she made $7.00 an hour. The JISC had some characters there. Shitloads of Target gift certificates were given damn near on an hourly basis! I remember working with a Junior Urban Terrorist and his lazy ass mom went behind my back to contact this dumb ass skank who called herself flexing by lying to a supervisor about my work. All because some lazy ass mommy was upset that I refused to be a taxi for her GD son! Stay tuned...I have more to share. I was there at the start of that shithole of a joke JISC- 2006 hired
Leave the JISC alone! When I was there at its infancy in 2006 it was a great side hustle! One your brothers in blue who was a dumb as a bag of rocks worked there along with county zookeeper! Damn, those were the days! Free WiFi with a cheap ass take home fell computer. Being able to clock in with your schedule as long as it amounted to at least 40 hours weekly. Many a 20 hour days were nice (if ya know what I mean)
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The city would love to destroy seniority. At the same as someone with 25 years how does anyone come to work and do absolutely nothing. If seniority is ever taken it’s these people I will blame.
2/26/2020 05:13:00 AM
When you get 25 years tell me how you feel, you would be tired of all the bullshit and shit merit bosses too. All you would want to do is collect a paid check because nobody gives a rats ass about you
JISC, After School Matters, etc. FREE handout$$$$$$! Dump your criminal prone junior thugs off and let them learn to rap and play basketball!!!
That guy is so stupid he would investigate how dog shit got on the bottom of his shoe and some how Blame the poleec
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Anonymous said...
and yet, he finds NOTHING wrong with CPD cheating?
unbelievable
2/26/2020 12:06:00 AM
That way he keeps his job (wink, wink) He does what he is told, finds what he is told to find
Stop Stop Stop Why pay any attention to the IG? He's about as incompetent as our exempt members are. At least the CPD bosses have an excuse and can say "Hey I'm CPS educated that's why I'm stupid". Fuck the IG
Yummy would have pimped the dookie out of JISC staff more especially the female casemanagers and advocates! Yummy would have been with a least three station adjustments a week during winter months and no less than 12 a week during spring and summer months! He would definitely be driving for some Mag mile smash and grab shit too and would probably command his own BD team. As for vehicles his taste would definitely be Yukons, Escallades, Audis, and Mercedes. All Star weekend was lucky! Had Yummy been alive he would've easily hid out at the JISC only to plot making his deadly moves on some dumb ass baller!!! RIP Yummy, you bad ass SOB!
Anyone knows if the pizza joint is on the corner right across that CPS septic tank aka Kelly HS is open? I remember some damn good pizza with an all you could eat special. Many a time "me thinks work was spent there" calling Mookie and Pookie simply for a laughable phone contact attempt! LMAO!
"ya gonna go to Juvie" was the refrain we heard growing up.
Wonder if J.F. is a CPS product?
Joey, you live in the 'burbs, man?
You get free grocery delivery from Whole Fools?
Just like every employee or prisoner, J.F. has a chart
crossing off the days.
I'd like to be the Alexa in his kitchen. Calls to out-of-state
Real Estate Agents, Joe?
Alexa, pull up Phoenix.
"ya gonna go to Juvie"
Perhaps a nice little downsize place in Bend, Oregon?
Plenty of old burned out hippies and new age hipsters.
Joe? Joe? Hello, Joe?
To: 2/26/2020 12:20:00 PM
SCI is long gone. They have been replaced by an agency known as SGA. They actually had some good people working there but had a hard time keeping them. Part of it is the immense case load and part crappy pay. Unfortunately the JISC has the same issues from when it started. (I was there with you at the beginning wink wink) They were supposed to have CPS, DCFS and a SA from Juv court there. Either never happened or did not last long. Per usual the burden was left on CPD and when it didn't work they were the ones left to point fingers at. As you know the JISC was designed to serve 5 districts with the juvenile age then being 16 and under. Well, as time went on the dept gutted the JISC of manpower to the point they moved missing persons from HQ into there and counted them as manpower to make it look like there was more personnel there. Then the politicians changed the Juvenile age to 17 and under. Then 11 and 12 were added then sometime later 1,3 and 15 were added. This is a total of 10 of the worst districts in the city with a high demographics of blacks and Hispanics. This is why the JISC numbers are messed up towards minorities. Around this I got out but from what I understand they are shoving the Social services down the JISC detectives throats, even for violent criminals. Also, from what I understand, there are automatic expungments of Juvenile records so a kid may have been arrested numerous times but they are erased and get a brand new IR#. I am so glad I am out of there. No matter what you do your wrong.
Oh, and the failure of the jisc happens on multiple levels. State (Raising the juvenile age), cook county (not prosecuting or judges letting violent offenders go free or on EM so they can offend again), DCFS (Ever deal with DCFS? What a dont give a fuck agency, always trying to deflect back on the Police) And lets not forget our local politicians. They pander to the communities for votes, tell them how nothing is their fault and they will take care of them. They enable bad parenting for votes and use the Police as an excuse. These kids know nothing will happen to them. Thats why they go wilding downtown and carjack at will.
It bothers me that I pay this assholes salary. Lightfoot too but she was the smaller pile of poop in that election.
7:18 PM, you are absolutely correct!!!! I remember being with a workable caseload that started from 5 to 15 only to explode to being over 75 high maintenance cases!!!!! SCI did have me with that cheap mass Dell computer and case too along with business cards!!! I still have them with a few placed over my toilet!!!!
Take a bubble bath Joe. Wash off the Sativa resin.
You been playing in the plants too long.
It's amazing how far you can go when you have no talent.
Hey SCC, wonder if it has anything to do with the secretary (AKA Lemer plant) who was kicked out of SIU for being incompetent. Now she's racking up 100 hours a period because she's so overwhelmed with tasks that she asks everyone else to do for her. Definitely a case of "It's not what you know, it's who you blow".
1: Records weren't lost, they were destroyed by the rule of law dumbass. Great attorney you are.
2: This is an intentional hit piece to get rid of the jisc and put "detectives" back in the districts. Sell the building for $1 to the violence prevention group, and call it a day. (Think the overtime hit piece before "swiping.")
3: There were supposed to be 2 (North and South) but no one wanted to pay for it. Great idea on its face, but doomed to fail from the start because, well...it is Chicago.
But the "components of design" insure his pockets are filled with yours and mine monies. That all this about another race hustle.
Those communist pretending to do good often divert much of these shekels me thinks.
Just don't argue about Medical Marijuana...you just might get punched in the Kisser!
Next thing Ferguson will be interviewing the piss bum Detention Aide on midnights in 025 and he will believe every thing that spews from his mouth.
Are they still paying for JISC juveniles to attend their counseling sessions? Also when I was assigned there, a majority of the counselors hated the Police. Many of the counselors were related to left wing politicians.
. . . bid for their jobs based on seniority — not on “experience or aptitude for working with youth.”
Joe, you know all about not having experience about a job. You where literally handed all the material for the Lie utenants test and you F...ed that up so badly, yes badly. And you think you have the brains to know how to do our job!!
A few crybaby flunkies and incompetents from criminal registration got dumped at the jisc. They go there because they are too dumb to work cases in the det units or constantly whining. It’s still a dumping ground, but a nice dumping ground to work. Go figure.
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