3-1-1 Moving?
Interesting rumor:
- Tho no official word, heard from numerous po’s, 311 sworn will be taking calls from Academy starting Friday. Construction workers been working round the clock to get’r done.
Answers PLEASE
1) has entire academy been disinfected?
2) how do we know these workers aren’t infected or intentionally infecting area?
3) any truth to this virus having ability to flow thru air duct systems?
So Alternate Response is infected, though the City won't admit it?
Labels: rumors
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
63 Comments:
311 is probably infected...but the reason they are moving everyone out is to move calltakers over there since OEMC is infected. They are trying to distance them but its too late. At this point i think every city dept is going to be going down.
Oemc is infected
"3) any truth to this virus having ability to flow thru air duct systems?"
RUMOR CONTROL - It can but that is not the main risk. In most situations, the air duct is not the highest risk way to get the bat soup virus.
"But in fact, it can travel through the air and stay suspended for that period of about a half-hour.
The virus does not linger in the air at high enough levels to be a risk to most people who are not physically near an infected person. But the procedures health care workers use to care for infected patients are likely to generate aerosols."
SOURCE:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/health/coronavirus-surfaces-aerosols.html
A good HVAC system has a strong filter and a great one has a UV light also which can and does kill a virus.
You can buy a UV-C lamp to put near air duct outflows as well... No need to have one that costs as much as these do however. A $50 or less one will do the task.
Coronavirus: Robots use light beams to zap hospital viruses
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51914722
Nope, every critical position like the EOC, 9-1-1, the CPIC, and 3-1-1 is being split up or alternate locations determined in case of sickness. Nothing to see here.
No, they're moving them to send some OEMC calltakers there in an effort to create more distance between them.
Oemc is infected moving 911 to 311 relocating all of 311 sworn and civilians to academy while 911 is disinfected.
Bank on it. The leaking and rusted ventilation system has not been cleaned one time since it was built in 1980. Like the 001 district the t/d was built on a old toxic waste dump from the 1930". 001 was another toxic site with toxins and chemicals all the way to the bedrock. This is prior to this current dreaded virus. The heating sources of both building have not been checked and cleaned since they built these pits. Same with Homan sq., the worse of them all.
No haz-mat people would go near their furnaces or a/c units.
The bug mayor and all the former ones for decades could care less.
This is all Bull Shit keeping us in, what's the nxt plan World Order, do not trust the government! PERIOD!
>>>> 3) any truth to this virus having ability to flow thru air duct systems? <<<<
SCC: NO! COVID-19 is NOT like the Legionnaires Disease. It's not an 'air borne' virus.
This WAS my area of expertise before I retired. 42+ Years in Drafting, Design, Project Management, Estimating (Chief Estimator), until finally, I opened my own CAD Company preparing Installation Drawings (aka Blueprints ;-)) for Ventilation Companies, before retiring.
I'll be back later with more info, I just woke up, so kindly excuse any spelling / grammar errors.
Surfaces checked on cruise ship 17 days after being vacated tested positive for live virus.that is scary.
Governor Pritzker has declared a crisis in Illinois citing a shortage of needed ventilators and experienced pharmaceutical professionals. President Donald J. Trump has assembled a team of Doctors, infectious disease specialists, scientists, private sector manufacturers and the like taking a scientific approach to combat the Coronavirus.
Governor Pritzker’s response is to utilize social justice. The “experts” in his circles include Lori “Federal Prosecutor” Lightfoot, Tom “Pizza man” Dart, Kim “The criminal defender” Foxx and Cook County Cheap Judge Tim Evans. The plan is to let ventilation experts and community based pharmaceutical entrepreneurs out of the County Jail after failing to post the required free no cash bonds and to be set free at last.
The pharmaceutical entrepreneurs can distribute fentanyl based medicines throughout the communities relieving the pain and suffering. Their experience with criminal justice experience in the social justice model is priceless. Ventilation experts include murderers, gun law violators and human target shooters. HeyJackass has 85 permanent ventilations and
476 recovering from human ventilations to date. Are Scientists and doctors a solution to solve the pandemic or the democrat response to a pandemic releasing gangstas, thugs and smugglers as a social justice remedy to a viral outbreak a real world solution?
Joe Biden was right. Middle class lunch bucket Joe stated that the Coronavirus cure “will make the problem worse no matter what” in his interview on The View. He was absolutely right. The democrat response in Chicago will most certainly lead to higher death rates and require more stretchers and more hospital trauma beds.
311 is working from home
laptop computer setup
god bless them :)
Studies show it can live in aerosol form (someone sneezes) for 3 hours. So yes a real risk. That’s why the airlines have done such a careful job of making sure their HEPA filters are clean and replaced regularly between flights.
Virus can make its way through air ducts. It’s alive in the air for up to 3hrs. That’s how the cruise ships got infected because the ventilation system was circulating the infected air.
Tres Uno Uno
You funny guy, Pedro
It's actually a smart move. If done correctly---chance of that????
To the unpublished dummy:
We have not, nor will we ever, claim that the virus is going to "kill us all" as you state. We also haven't "bought into" the media BS. We're intelligent human beings.
That being said, it's only sensible to take precautions to prevent the spread of something that will temporarily disable a sizable portion of the population including First Responders.
We take out most of the "world is ending" and "germ warfare" panic stuff because it's obviously the tin-foil hat people. We also take out the comments that violate Rule 9 on a daily basis.
No. It’s not an airborne disease. It can live in an areasol form when sneezing but will not stay suspended and travel in the air. It will immediately fall from the air to the ground or a surface but can then live on that surface for anywhere to 3 hours -10 days depending on the surface.
Do I still get to retire in July and move to Texas
Anonymous said...
Virus can make its way through air ducts. It’s alive in the air for up to 3hrs. That’s how the cruise ships got infected because the ventilation system was circulating the infected air.
3/25/2020 07:44:00 A
And, you read this where exactly? Stop spreading false rumors. If that was the case the entire ship would have gone down sick. Just very close contact with a lot of people most of the time caused that infection
The head of the cdph is playing a dangerous game of being the good little political water girl, saying many falsehoods about mitigating the chances of getting the virus. The fact that she said you could spend 10 minutes talking to someone at close proximity who has the virus and not get infected is criminal. The other major issue they are dancing around is hvac systems, can this virus be transmitted through them. The answer is yes, but the cdph is saying no no no, you are good. I would like to invite city hall and all of the 5th floor at HQ to join the swat team guarding the hotel full of infected people. And take deep long full breaths while they are there. Then after a full tour there, go home and hug your elderly parents and their kids.
Hey Jcat your down there, what's the deal bro? 376 is in same room as 311, is it infected? You moving??????
I just saw on GMA that tests on cruise ships showed the virus survived on smooth surfaces for 17 days. Invest in some lysol wipes and take care of yourselves and not depend on the city doing it for you.
Larry LimpFoot has Failed Us All, by not having her First Responders Tested. This is Intentional Failed Leadership. She cares more about the 5th Floor than what was once the 5 Areas of this Police Department. It’s too late for your accolades and olive branches. What will you do once you’re first responders all call in with the Real Blue Flu?! Will we finally see your true Authoritative side? Once the National Guard is in place, then it will be okay to institute “The Rule of Law!” Their Progressive Hypocrisy has become unchained. Now they’ve lost control of it all. What always is remains is “Our” Constitutional Order.
Moving ARP temporarily to create distance?
Every multi merit is tossing their hair-brained ideas out there and into the pot.
Real estate that large is scarce, could be is that chunk of land is needed for something else and the Academy is just a temporary location until both 311and Acad are sold off to residential developers.
Did Larri put a slow down on hiring, maybe even a freeze because it was an issue for the $1 billion budget shortfall.
That Academy (low bid) ventilation system is horrible, always has been.
If they “fix” or clean anything like they fix water, plumbing and sewer line leaks then it’s pretty much they’ll just spread the germs and grime around.
If it’s a private contractor, doing any of this work then it’s being done expensively and on time.
If it’s City General Services doing the job, it will be ready by late summer.
Maybe ARP is just to big and needs a trimming, there are better ways to manage those sequestered and put more supervisors on the streets. But that could be said about CAPS too.
Someone needs how to figure out how OEMC & 311 can take calls from home. I mean if your average “phone sex” worker can do it...I do predict this is the lesson we are learning though.
Barely enough room to hold the 5 different Use of Force Trainings.
Oemc is infected
3/25/2020 12:35:00 AM
It is a plot. Forced "retirement" of the Cortez incompetents.
The corona virus is about 5 millionths of an inch in diameter. That's far smaller than the average carpenter's dust mask can filter out.
Technically it's not an airborne virus in that most transmission is via inhaling a droplet of mist from an infected person. But it is possible for a droplet to get sucked into an air handling system. Typically it would be filtered and recirculated as in a Biosafety level 3 setup. This also includes managing the airflow in and out of a room by taping all seams around windows, floors, walls and ceilings.
Virus-free "safety" gets expensive. The first step is to decide how safe is safe enough? Seatbelt? Seatbelt and shoulder harness? Seatbelt, shoulder harness and airbags? Or all of those plus a roll cage?
311 building is a backup for oemc. Oemc didnt want to share their building so 311 is out.
--{continuation from previous Post}--
Again, this COVID-19 is not an 'Air Borne' Virus. There's a difference between a virus attaching to 'water droplets' (aerosol) in the air that's from a sneeze or cough and attaching to molecules of air. That's why the Six Foot Spacing is being recommended by all the experts -- CDC NHS, etc.
Now, I'm going to try to keep this as simple as possible but as to Forced Air Ventilation Systems in building HVAC systems, there's two basic types; Commercial & Residential. In either one, the question would be; HOW would contaminated air get into the duct system in the first place?
-- With Commercial Systems, Outdoor Air (OA) comes in via Exterior Wall Louvers & by City Code the bottom of the louvers have to be 12 Ft above grade, aka street level. THAT alone is barrier #1 preventing contamination by the Virus. (NOTHING Mentioned thus far says the Virus can travel like this in the air, surfaces have to be contaminated).
::::: The OA (outdoor air) is then mixed with the Return Air (RA) in a 'Plenum' (Metal Box), it all then goes through the Filter system. Commerical Filters have between a 20% & 30% 'efficiency' (They're not HEPA Filters, those are for specialized systems, like Hospitals, but much better than Residential types). Now, IF the virus has made up & past the louvers and to the filters, the virus would attach itself to the filter media (material).
::::: The RA (Return Air) in Commercial Building Systems is accomplished by ductwork connected to 'Grilles' or 'Registers' in Room Ceilings -- 8' to 10' above the floor. Here again, the distance is more than the 6' the FedGov experts say the Virus can travel in the air. So logically, this air can't be contaminated. The RA travels thru ductwork back to the Air Handling Unit (AHU) 'Mixing Plenum'. (See OA above)
::::: The SA (Supply Air) in Commercial Building Systems is via a duct system that terminates in building rooms with a Supply Air 'Diffuser' in the ceiling. Small rooms have 1, larger rooms 4. Exterior rooms might have 'Slot Diffusers' abv exterior windows.
::::::: When the OA & RA is mixed and is drawn through the Filters, it then goes through Heating Coils & Cooling Coils, from there it goes into the AHU Supply Fan and discharged throughout the SA duct system ref'd above.
::::: Supply, Return and Outside Air Ductwork -- Except is specialized areas all ductwork is made of Galvanized Sheetmetal. SA Duct Systems 'typically' have a bare inside (metal) and thermal insulation is applied to the exterior of the duct. RA duct systems 'typically' have the interior covered with 'duct lining' for sound attenuation, 1" thick fiberglass held by glue & mech 'pins'. Supply ducts can get lining too, depends on the specs.
----- Once again we're talking about interior surface amounts in sq ft that any ACTIVE virus that survived this journey would have attached itself to sit there, decay and die.
In conclusion. While nothing is impossible, you have a bigger chance of Dying by Lightning Strike than a contaminated Commercial Duct System.
ps: Residental Systems are naturally much simpler. Return Grilles can be mounted low in a Wall, and Supply 'Registers' are Floor Mounted in 'most' cases, but the principle is the same. Let common sense & cleanliness prevail.
pps; Cruise Ships & Airplanes aren't just different animals, they're in different universes. Cruise Ships are notorious for spreading diseases -- they're floating Petri Dishes (I'd never go on one). And Planes are an enclosed space w/ an enclosed system. But in BOTH I'd say surface contamination is the biggest worry.
{7 Adam} /s
CPD should not respond to any non violent crime or disturbance , including domestics unless a crime has been committed . send social workers out .
Police lobbies should be closed to public .
Academy is an UNSECURED BLDG
No fence No Controlled Access in/out no standoff ...just for starters
Just what I learned at The Pentagon
And to feel safer just remember that the contract to disinfect the academy went to the lowest bidder.
No truth in the transparency at 911.
2 definitely confirmed; although heavy with rumors that it’s actually 4 infected and a dozen or so under quarantine
OEMC has more than corona virus
they have the dumbest people in chicago running a government agency.
all of whom have no credentials other than their own pat me on the back, im doing a great job commendations.
Listening now (1325hrs) to Interim Charlie at The Uncle Larri’s Long Pants news conference;
Charlie Says:
stanchions are set up in lobbies and signage is up instructing folks to call 3-1-1. Could this outfitting the Academy (with phone banks?) intended to supplement any overflowing influx? Will they require certain Convalescent/Ambulatory rolls and Light Duties to return back to work and man the phones? Could it be busy work for Recruits ?
also says...
- stations are clean (the red tape is working)
- trying to figure out roll call proximity issue
- gonna have to get tough on enforcing Larri’s order (JB’s lockdown) w/citations or arrest
- crime is down
- willing to stay here until crisis is over
A big thank you to the FOP for coming up with 2 gallons of sanitizer again this week
for the districts. Now, this stuff is brand new (read not expired). Why is it the FOP can source and deliver this stuff and the city can't?????
To everyone who says this virus can not be transmitted thru Ventilation systems YOUR WRONG.
Anywhere u find moisture it can survive.
Do ur research. It’s TRUE
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Surfaces checked on cruise ship 17 days after being vacated tested positive for live virus.that is scary.
Where did you hear that? Against all the science I’ve heard
Virill aren't truly alive; they require hosts. That being said, there are certain time limits depending on conditions and the virii concerned that are applicable. Obviously, the cleaner that better. Bleach is a typical cleaning agent. What we wish to do is to keep surfaces clean and dry so as to minimize the 'lifespan' of the virii. Water and organic matter can be expected to expand the time frame of the its existence. If this were an aggressive pathogen, like say Hanta, then wearing respirators would be needed. What is really needed now are proper cleaning procedures to be done. Which people have a way of not doing generally. The things that our grandparents (who lived before antibiotics) took as gospel. A/C is an example. If filters aren't regularly replaced then A/C is worse than useless. This so-called pandemic is more political than medical, but is still a wake-up that sloppy procedures are dangerous and public health needs are all our concerns. And Emergency services are getting the short end of the stick, as usual.
Joe Biden was right. Middle class lunch bucket Joe stated that the Coronavirus cure “will make the problem worse no matter what” in his interview on The View.
3/25/2020 06:40:00 AM
Joe Biden was right? Interview on The View? What mental affliction have you caught. Must be that brain eating virus that sadly afflicts so many liberals. Hope you make a full recovery.
No. It’s not an airborne disease. It can live in an areasol form when sneezing but will not stay suspended and travel in the air. It will immediately fall from the air to the ground or a surface but can then live on that surface for anywhere to 3 hours -10 days depending on the surface.
3/25/2020 08:01:00 AM
THANK YOU
OEMC supervisor are dumb as fuck. All scared of losing their jobs so they try to dump on the restricted members and limited duty members at call back. 2 workers at OEMC tested positive. OEMC what a waste of money, clueless & spineless management.
A big thank you to the FOP for coming up with 2 gallons of sanitizer again this week
for the districts. Now, this stuff is brand new (read not expired). Why is it the FOP can source and deliver this stuff and the city can't?????
3/25/2020 02:40:00 PM
Covid 19 can still survive your “current hand sanitizer” from the fop and that fact shouldn’t change your vote (either candidate). Here is a tip, after every job relocate anywhere for proper Hand washing and decon. Covid 19 is .0125 microns while the N95 mask will only filter to .3 microns. Meaning the virus must attach itself to something (water, bodily fluid, food...etc) for it to protect you. Best bet is a hospital with a good supply of gloves and soap. With that said, it’s almost inevitable for you to be exposed to the virus itself. Remember, your gas mask will protect you from Bio, chem and rad warfare. Now ask yourself how long it’s been you’ve been avoiding all those messages to get refitted. Take responsibility and adapt. Stop blaming everyone else like the rest of the sheep. Family first, brother in blue right next to you.
Off topic; the whole ""if you cough on someone, especially on private property, the owners of said property are equally liable for any subsequent illness. This is where affirming this notion hurts everyone. Everything you do is under the liability of Chicago. Big, deep pockets there. Anyone who gets coughed on in your hardware store, you failed to keep customers safe. Pay up. That's why everything is closed now, not because anybody gives a shit about you, but because they don't want to get sued. The power of an idea.
For those who took the covid 19 test how long does it take for one to get results.
Homan square is a cancer hell hole. Start by getting rid of Kimble already
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Surfaces checked on cruise ship 17 days after being vacated tested positive for live virus.that is scary.
They found virus RNA. Not live infectious virus.
Academy is an UNSECURED BLDG
No fence No Controlled Access in/out no standoff ...just for starters
Needs a temporary fence around it How about a barrier plan for HQ
Just what I learned at The Pentagon
ACLU you cant give a ticket for being out in public No Curfew and Vague order from the mayor
Fuk off JB and Groot Both dumb Demorats No City or State plan prior to this crisis
Stop blaming Trump
Joe Biden was right. Middle class lunch bucket Joe stated that the Coronavirus cure “will make the problem worse no matter what” in his interview on The View.
3/25/2020 06:40:00 AM
Joe Biden was right? Interview on The View? What mental affliction have you caught. Must be that brain eating virus that sadly afflicts so many liberals. Hope you make a full recovery
Coughing away and wants to have the convention still in Milwakee Hey JB Groot write your fellow Demorat a citation
stanchions are set up in lobbies and signage is up instructing folks to call 3-1-1. Could this outfitting the Academy (with phone banks?) intended to supplement any overflowing influx? Will they require certain Convalescent/Ambulatory rolls and Light Duties to return back to work and man the phones? Could it be busy work for Recruits ?
Send the disability officers most inside anyway
Do I still get to retire in July and move to Texas
All Retirements have to be Approved Exit Interview etc Good luck with getting that done
Sure file a grievance So what City will Fuk you And Is the Pension Board Even open or the Banks to get the paperwork done not a smooth process in normal times
Best of Luck
"stanchions""?
Our stanchions are two road cones the desk stole from ComEd
stanchions.......we don't need no stinking stanchions!
Theys is infected with a case of the stupids. Its contagious
ARS will be in the computer labs. They should sit everyone 6ft apart. How come ARS hasn’t received n95 mask? FOP are you going to make them sit Officers 6ft apart?
A big thank you to the FOP for coming up with 2 gallons of sanitizer again this week
for the districts. Now, this stuff is brand new (read not expired). Why is it the FOP can source and deliver this stuff and the city can't?????
I have not seen any up at Area North Detective Division. Must of missed out on it.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Do I still get to retire in July and move to Texas
All Retirements have to be Approved Exit Interview etc Good luck with getting that done
Sure file a grievance So what City will Fuk you And Is the Pension Board Even open or the Banks to get the paperwork done not a smooth process in normal times
Best of Luck
You can’t possibly believe an exit interview can keep you from retiring.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Academy is an UNSECURED BLDG
No fence No Controlled Access in/out no standoff ...just for starters
Needs a temporary fence around it How about a barrier plan for HQ
Just what I learned at The Pentagon
Very important. They have to protect the two most important buildings in the United States
Anonymous said...
Off topic; the whole ""if you cough on someone, especially on private property, the owners of said property are equally liable for any subsequent illness. This is where affirming this notion hurts everyone. Everything you do is under the liability of Chicago. Big, deep pockets there. Anyone who gets coughed on in your hardware store, you failed to keep customers safe. Pay up. That's why everything is closed now, not because anybody gives a shit about you, but because they don't want to get sued. The power of an idea.
This is just stupid. Because you cough on someone the owner is responsible. They can’t even find out where the virus started but someone can confirm or prove your cough gave them the virus. Get real
There are 5 that tested positive and 12 Self Quarantine at the OEMC .....they are supposed to be moving calltakers to distant them,
Thank you Cuthbert for a clear and logical explanation of the workings of HVACs. I feel much more informed.
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