Retiree Lawsuit
This is a revisiting of an old issue. Rahm bragged about fucking over retirees, so we aren't sure why WGN finally figured out this was a pretty big deal:
- It was a cost-cutting move that saved Chicago taxpayers tens of millions of dollars. But the former city workers who were affected say there’s an untold human cost — one that can’t and shouldn’t be ignored.
Among the perks promised to older city workers — affordable health insurance in retirement. But in 2013, then-Mayor Rahm Emanuel announced he was ending the benefit to save cash. Retirees who started working before 1986 were hit the hardest.
They never contributed to Medicare during their employment — the city’s choice, not theirs. As a result, many now don’t qualify for government health insurance, even at age 65. “It’s a kick in the gut but I have to deal with it,” said former city worker Dan Sheehan.
The retirees can buy health insurance through the city. But they pay the full freight because Emanuel cut the subsidy. For a single retiree, the annual cost is now more than $33,000, whereas before it cost a few thousand dollars.
You shouldn't think for a minute the City gives two-shits-and-change about you once you're gone. Hell, they don't care that much about you when you're working either. It's a job, not like it used to be.
In any event, go read it all. It's a very basic overview of the lawsuit that Clint Krislov has been working on for years.
In any event, go read it all. It's a very basic overview of the lawsuit that Clint Krislov has been working on for years.
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posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
136 Comments:
TOTAL Democratic rip off.
Hey, if that Alfdercreature can get credit for his Fire time
by going to the State, something can be done here.
Another issue that WE are paying for ourselves. We retirees have been sending Krislov money out of our pension checks to pay for this lawsuit. Just like WE are paying for a financial audit of our pension funds. I hate this fucking city.
It's a big deal because, "those greedy pensioners are at it again!"
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Off topic, but needs to be posted to hopefully stem the virus panic. They finally released stats of Covid deaths in Europe. 0-10 year olds who contracted had 0% death rate. 10-20 .1% (Same as common flu). 20-40 yr-olds .2% (double common flu). 50-60 .4% 4 times flu.. 60-70 .6%.. 70-80 4% (40 times common flu). 85 and over 15%. So from intial stats the death rate under 40 is about same or lower than common flu. For older its very dangerous and high death rate. However, they also noted these were people tested who either became sick or in contact with infected person. They noted the death rate may be considerably lower from numerous people off all age groups who have it but have little to no symptoms. So take precautions but don't panic.
If Rahm was on the ground covered in flames and begging for help, I wouldn’t piss on him to extinguish the fire.
Hey! Thats me… Never trust a democrat. Vile, greedy creatures. Just got a 1200 dollar check from the lawsuit, I guess that is supposed to make up for the city breaking the contract. Maybe I can buy in on wife's medicare in a couple of years… thanks, Rahm! Oh, and thanks 0bama and the rest of the democrats for destroying health insurance for everybody, great job!
I was taught the Democratic Party was the party of the working man. Guess the joke is on me. I hope Rahm, some way, some how, suffers for his inhumanity, and the evil he has perpetrated upon the retirees. It’s difficult for someone like him, who has never had a real job to relate to blue collar guys. Fuck you Rahm you evil little shit.
Work for 30 years for a city and department that despises you and finally make it to retirement. Grinding out the days with no sleep while trying to make ends meet for the family. Just praying to make it to retirement and enjoy the last years of your life, only to find out you don’t have healthcare. Ironically every illegal gets free healthcare along with medical cards for their “dreamer” children while never paying into the system. The same system that stole 30 years worth of taxes from you the policeman who worked hard for your meager life. America is waking up and sick of this system, as it’s gotten so bad and out of control. The working man really is a sucker!
$33,000 a year comes out to $2,750 a month. No thanks Rahm. Let's see Rahm pay $2,750 a month for his insurance.
This is why people need to care about the city purposely defunding the pension too. They lie lie lie. They promised us on day one of employment a pension and we had to sign paperwork agreeing to withholding money from our checks. Lightfoot even promised it to us in an interview when she was running for mayor. What has she done to fix it??? NOTHING! No one trusts them. What they did to retirees was horrible and don’t think they won’t do it again. City hall hates first responders
Rahm is the devil himself stating he fucked retired people and gloated about it.
No employers give a crap about you - public or private market. Don’t bank on any of their false promises. Never.
Be forewarned boys and girls the dispatchers are failing to protect us and I say that because they gave us a job to back up fire and upon arrival discovered it was a coronavirus incident. Our supervisor instructed us to stay a few blocks away and instructed he wanted the address tagged for future calls and the dispatcher refused claiming she would need her supervisors permission first. So much for the ANFM message on corona virus.
Our lodge needs to be negotiating with the city to address the hundreds of officers that are maxed but don't have the age of 55 yet. Put into place a tier system so officers can get health care at a somewhat, not great but a somewhat decent doable rate and retire. Four, five, shit even six percent of an officers salary and they can and will leave tomorrow. A win win for the officers and for the city who I'm sure would like to rid those officers making a much higher wage than a newbie coming out the door. Remember, they'll be hundreds of officers in the same boat in the next year or two in the same predicament. Health insurance should be one of the lodge's highest priorities.
Just came in on days. As the info is told to me, the copper who was hospitalized the other day at rush from 002 as was reported in one of the other threads has tested POSITIVE for covid 19. Cleaning crews in 002 spraying everything. It’s here!
Rahm's a jagoff yes, but I would not blame Rahm entirely. I mean, he could have put the kabosh on it and he did not, I'll give you that. But the plan had been in the works for something like 20 years. The City kept extending the deadline and finally they just stopped extending it.
Can't even imagine not getting Medicare. Who's idea was that?
So at 55 you can go out and get another job with insurance. Sorry but the reality is the taxpayers cannot to pay any more for you to retire than they already pay. Your union should have protected you from this when it happened. But the clowns did not look the total picture now you expect the city, no make that the taxpayers, to pony up more for your unions failings. No way Jose get another job or STFU and pay for the coverage. It is called personal responsibility.
Clint Krislov has been working his ass off for us retirees!
I am trying to boil this down, but I do not want to bog you down with details.
There are 5 statutes involved here, the original 1983 and 1985 statutes state, (more or less) the city will pay PART OF retired cops healthcare. (how much? well,it changes in the following amendments to the statute, going up to a max, I believe, of 55%). In 1987 the city simply wants out of paying retiree healthcare COMPLETELY. You are on your own says the city. In 1989 this was codified into law. In 1997, the city amended. All these amendments are doing is extending the time the city will (partially) fund retired cop's healthcare. The 1997 amendment extended the city paying until 2002. I know, this is getting too complex already. So we have 1983, 1985, 1989, and 1997 laws on the books. Now, in 2003 the city amends again. This covered until 2013 (another 10 years). In 2013 the city kind of made the final statement - they said we will pay so much (I think it was 55%) until the absolute final date of January 1st, 2017. We all know what happened on January 1, 2017. ALL CITY PAYMENTS CEASED. End of story. The original 1987 statement by the city saying "we ain't paying" - culminated - 30 years later.
Here's a little more absolutely necessary detail: The 1983 and 1985 amendments to the pension code have been ruled to have been constitutionally protected. (Remember the Kanerva case which recently stated healthcare benefits are constitutionally protected?) But the 1989, 1997, and 2003 amendments had language that "these are not pension benefits for constitutional purposes," AND those amendments had time limits.
So it seems like guys hired after 1985 are fucked, right? Wrong.
What is interesting is that the Illinois Appellate Court said that those that were hired before 2003 (and were thus paying into the system by the time of the 2003 amendment) ARE INCLUDED, and are tied into these 1983 and 1985 amendments. What is that going to amount to - benefit-wise? No idea. The 1983 amendment has language like "$55 paid by the board," not language like 55%. 55% is good, $55 is bad. It's nothing. (And it is bizarre that the statutory language went from $ to % at different times). But then it has language which says the "tax levy" will pay the rest. So does that mean the 1983 statute covers 100%? I can't make heads or tails of that.
In 1983 that covered all of it. The City was self-insured, healthcare-wise (as they still are, I believe, for property),and the premium was only $55. So the Funds paid that $55 (from a city tax). The city was just restructuring the model. This was initiated under Harold Washington. At that time, the retired cop was 100% covered, but he/she was still on the hook for spouse and dependents. But ... and this is a BIG but ... the statute expressly stated that anything above that 'maximum subsidy' was to be taken out of the retiree's pension.
So the city charged only $55, but if they were to raise it to $56, then that $1 would come from your pension payment.
Now Krislov is also arguing Estoppel and Breach of Contract. These counts were shot down by Cohen and also the Appellate Court. Now the Appellate Court ruling stands because the Il. Sup. Court rejected the appeal. That is what this recent news is about.
So now we are just left with the Constitutional claims that the pension cannot be diminished (and medical benefits are part of the pension said Kanerva v. Weems July 2014.
So we are hooked up with the 1983 statute (the 1985 statute just included the city's remaining two unions; Municipal and Laborers). Great news huh? The 1983 statute bound the city to all police hired before 2003.
Not so great news - the statute only promises $55 a month. (A slightly different amount for those not eligible for medicare.)
So I heard some coppers blaming Rahm. Well, Rahm could have put the kabosh on all of this if he wanted, that's certainly true. But this all started under Washington.
Remember Rahm’s recently intercepted text message to his friend? Something along the lines of “I just saved the city $15M.”
From the 1960's until this 1983 statute, cops got free medical for life (but I think they always had to pay for dependents).
So here's the problem that I see - something that doesn't make sense to me: In 1983 the city more-or-less said "we'll pay for all your medical, we are the insurer, we are charging $55/month. But is we raise that price, you will be on the hook for it." That must have been the plan ... raise the rates later on down the line. All the cops are happy with this statute, because we/the city pay everything, but all we have to do is slowly raise the rates. Now at this time the union (sorry the Funds) were fighting this in court. But mid-trial both sides came to an agreement and the trial stopped. What was the agreement? City pays 55% (or 50% not sure.) So, in one fell swoop, somewhere around 1985, the city went from paying all the healthcare premium – to only paying 55%. Why did the Fund (retirement fund) agree to this?
NOT all retirees are sending money to Krislov ~ especially the firemen who are cheap assholes, but will reap the benefits when we win this lawsuit
I don't understand how illegals get free healthcare and we get screwed
I guess all those non LEO city workers who told me I was full of crap when I warned them about the Daleys, Mells and Banks
are sorry now. Oh well, good thing they
rang all those doorbell. Go work the
polls on Tuesday, maybe the Machine will
help you out.
Mike the cityworker
Another issue is that when they cut the pensioner at age 65, they also cut off the spouse, even if she is years younger.
Predict the Coronavirus will open the state constitution to rectify the long standing pension problems. Fat man will declare a emergency situation to get out of an unfixable problem. Way too much p4omised years ago and those chickens are now coming home to roost.
How about retiring those officers part time at $15/hrs + limited health benifits to REPLACE most civilian workers.
And the 19th Warders wasted their vote on an unknown.
“30 years”. You are right about the City. Retirees should not be treated like second class citizens. Something has to be done to help you guys. You put your time in and that should alone be enough to warrant a decent health insurance option. Blame the politicians but to state that illegals ALL get free health care is not fact. Let’s leave hate out of the equation and let’s put our frustration on where it belongs.
Politicians NEED to remember that "WORDS HAVE MEANING AND CONSEQUENCES : I.E. " Ready on the Right,? Ready on the left ? Ready on the ........... !
City of Chicago doesn't give a rats ass about retired police. Let that sink in!!!!!
So go out there and break your ass for the city. The city doesn't give a fuck about you or your family!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Work for 30 years for a city and department that despises you and finally make it to retirement. Grinding out the days with no sleep while trying to make ends meet for the family. Just praying to make it to retirement and enjoy the last years of your life, only to find out you don’t have healthcare. Ironically every illegal gets free healthcare along with medical cards for their “dreamer” children while never paying into the system. The same system that stole 30 years worth of taxes from you the policeman who worked hard for your meager life. America is waking up and sick of this system, as it’s gotten so bad and out of control. The working man really is a sucker!
3/15/2020 12:48:00 AM
This is one of the reasons the leftists want to trash the second amendment and grab our guns. There is a special place in hell for Rahm and his cohorts.
You voted for the democrats all your life believing they would take care of you! well they did they stuck it in your ass!!
Keep voting democrat thinking you will be OK, You asked for it , Enjoy it !
Always wondered, with so many FOP members nation wide, why doesn't the FOP negotiate some type of national insurance plan for retired members?
I hope you know you don’t have to wait to buy into Medicare under wife’s Medicare credits. If you have been married for 10 yrs and your spouse worked and paid into Medicare then you qualify. Even if spouse is younger than you. Spouse, divorced spouse or deceased spouse. Say you were never married you can buy Medicare when you turn 65. Your full cash cost paid to Medicare monthly is a little over $400 per month. Then you buy a supplement. If you wait past 65 you can still do it, but will pay a 10% penalty a year for every year past your 65th birthday.
Anonymous said...
Hey! Thats me… Never trust a democrat. Vile, greedy creatures. Just got a 1200 dollar check from the lawsuit, I guess that is supposed to make up for the city breaking the contract. Maybe I can buy in on wife's medicare in a couple of years… thanks, Rahm! Oh, and thanks 0bama and the rest of the democrats for destroying health insurance for everybody, great job!
$33,000 is way too much for insurance
you can get gold plans under the ACA for $10,000 a year
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Our lodge needs to be negotiating with the city to address the hundreds of officers that are maxed but don't have the age of 55 yet. Put into place a tier system so officers can get health care at a somewhat, not great but a somewhat decent doable rate and retire. Four, five, shit even six percent of an officers salary and they can and will leave tomorrow. A win win for the officers and for the city who I'm sure would like to rid those officers making a much higher wage than a newbie coming out the door. Remember, they'll be hundreds of officers in the same boat in the next year or two in the same predicament. Health insurance should be one of the lodge's highest priorities.
3/15/2020 03:35:00 AM
You have to realize that the pension fund is not able to sustain that many extra younger pensioners who will be drawing pension checks for so many years to come.
And Lori is no better as she is a Rahm bff allowing him to keep his security detail and has obviously told her bff Lori ass licker John Lausch to not investigate Rahm for his many acts of corruption. Lausch has given the major Democrats a pass like Rahm, Daley, John Cullerton, Burnett, Van Pelt,Ervin, the black caucus and Madigan. All he has is gone after small potatoes low losers. The big guys get away with everything. Lausch also has refused to investigate Ferguson and Steve Berlin of ethics because of Lori.
thanks scc for posting this. that shit bag rahm could care less about us, just up and pull your health care benefits away.
Rahm will rot in hell. He can write his op-eds for his friends at the Wall Street Journal from there.
the contract language for us to retire at 50 with health insurance it is on the table to negotiate. So I ask you what would give up for it. Remember people who are tier 2 can not leave anyway..
What pisses me off is I wouldn't have retired at the age I did if I knew rahm would cancel our health insurance. I retired knowing I had to pay $600 a month until 65 years of age. Suddenly that's gone and I'm paying $1500 a month for Obamacare. And that premium goes up every year.
Many cops were injured repeatedly working on the job, but chose not to go on disability. They worked the streets for 30 plus years with bad backs, strained muscles, arthritis, constant pain, etc. It only gets worse as you age, and now these retirees opt to suffer in pain because surgery or therapy or medicine is too expensive. So they should have fucked the job back then and went on life disability??
Thank you Chicago politicians. Lightfoot why don't you change this and worry about us as much as you do the west and south side? At least WE earned it.
Until something is done about this travesty, I suggest that anyone paying nearly 33K a year for city insurance stop immediately, and cut all ties with the city immediately. Go into the private market for private payer health insurance. Every insurance company has their own website. You can choose what level of care you want, and change out anytime that you want to. I use Blue Cross Blue Shield (www.BCBSil.com) and pay about $700 a month. The cost actually went down this year. It's more than I thought I would ever be shelling out, but it is way better than the alternative.
Or you could just get a job until you reach Medicare age.
Unable to swim, a scorpion asks a frog to carry him across a rising river.
The frog worries that the scorpion could sting him. The scorpion argues that if he stung the frog, the frog would sink and the scorpion would drown as well.
Convinced, the frog agrees and lets the scorpion climb on his back. Halfway across the river, the scorpion does in fact sting the frog, dooming them both.
“But why?” asks the frog.
“It’s just my nature,” says the scorpion. Newbees, just remember this when signing any democrat contract with the city. The US signed 500 treaties with the American Indians, and broke every one.
We got Fucked, PERIOD.
Took a long time to get that suit rolling again. Don’t expect any sympathy or reversing that deal from Larri.
It’s hard to fathom that any life long unemployed freeloader can walk (transported more likely) to any hospital, clinic and get almost the very same service as the chump with the $33k policy gets. Same service is limited in terms of waiting appointments versus emergency room.
Preventative medicine seems to be the first kick in the belly.
Medicaid (taxpayers) picking put the tab for piss bum ailments. Rahm used the “Pass It To Know What’s In It” obamaCare© to replace retirees insurance, by the way would NOT cover (subsidize) CPD retires hired after 1982 due to obamaCare salary limits.
Now that obamaCare is destined to be totally eliminated upon the second term of DJTRUMP it makes perfect sense to file the lawsuit and likely to challenged. It’s a start.
Until then...Be a freeloader. Go to the hospital, give bs name, no address, no social security number and wait.
When he was running for mayor, many said “oh he comes from a police family, his uncle worked in ...”.
His brother wrote the obama care bullshit and still to this day insists no healthcare for elderly.
Rahm reiterated the same last week in an interview.
The malignant 4 Pension Rahm deserves a good dose of multiple wasting diseases.
The Dumbocrats blatantly blather about how HEALTH CARE IS A RIGHT to working class people.
It is is NOT!!!
It is a privilege.
If it was a right, it wouldn't be so expensive.
It is a gift to the low income to pander votes.
That's why the young coppers shouldn't worry about some Bullshit 1 or 2 percent raise each year but worry about BENEFITS. All you young gunners say is that I got a long time before retirement etc. But I can just bet that most dont contribute to deferred comp.and have to rely on special employment to pay Bill's. Why, because they live high on the hog, big trucks, bikes, moms needs a big SUV. Grow up folks. Retirement is not a thing to treat lightly.
Why is it that the welfare programs have enough funds and the programs that workers contribute too do not. You never hear of SSI or Medicaid running out of money do you.
Anyone who votes democratic is a total moron.
Piece of shit Democratic congressman Rostenkowski (spit on his grave) wrote the public employees out of social security and Medicare so that the democratic controlled governments would not have to pay the 6.25 and the 1.45 for Medicare.
It’s all about the matching funds employee and the city pay 1.45 percent for Medicare that didn’t start until 1986 and you need 10 years of work history to qualify so the employees that retired without a 10 year history of paying in are fucked unless they worked another job in private industry for 10 years.
Lori "the Liar" Lightfoot is a small venial little impish character who can't be trusted. A vindictive dweeb on par with Rahm the Midget. No difference at all except one pretends to be a man. The little matronly old lady is for her community and the hell with the rest. She masquerades as a reformer but in fact is another politically bankrupted Chicago politician saying anything publicly and plotting against first responders - specifically the police.
During this China virus bull shit no worries Groot, we got your back just as much as you got ours.
Rahm Emanuel is a JOKE !!!!!
Want to truly save money, get rid of 40 aldermen and have ONLY 10 aldermen and 1 mayor. You will NEVER see this on an election ballot referendum.
The City of Chicago doesn't give a shit about retired police and their families. Let that sink in !!!!
tiny dancer 9.5 is pure evil , satan in human form
cps feeding children , why aren't parents able o cook , make breakfast ,lunch for their children
DCFS should be notified immediately , not feeding your children is neglect
Anonymous said...
No employers give a crap about you - public or private market. Don’t bank on any of their false promises. Never.
3/15/2020 02:11:00 AM
I went into private industry after retirement from CPD. It was a very large corporation. They also did not offer healthcare after an employee retired so everyone had to work until age 65 or medicare eligible. But, being a cop or a firefigher is different. A person cannot work in these occupations until that age,the body just cannot do it and a person is too old to be effective. But, I cannot say the same about many other city occupations. The trade unions supported the corrupt democratic leadership for decades in this town with votes and tons of cash. The allowed the corruption to continue . The trades can work into their old age.
Notice how the news only does a "report" after Rahm has left office ????
Now maybe they will follow up on how much the Daley friends and family have stolen
common flu). 85 and over 15%. So from intial stats the death rate under 40 is about same or lower than common flu. For older its very dangerous and high death rate
You sound like you work for CompStat. Go fuck your stats. The NBA, NCAA and MLB are all suspended or canceled. Do you realize how much money they are losing? How much are economy is losing?!!
We all signed on with "certain terms and conditions" and we have held to our side of the bargain, but the City gets to choose which terms and conditions it will abide by.
Can you say, "one way?"
Force us to live here but now they get to say, "no health insurance and probably no pension?"
Anyone else have a problem with that?
Anyone else tired of minimal to no statements or guidance from the FOP on the plethora of issues and topics that come up against us every week?
And why are Contract negotiations such a f*cking mystery every time? We don't even know what was asked for by the City or Lodge, or what was even sent to the Arbitrator.
Can't wait to leave this shit show behind.
cpd , fop , papa should demand every police officer that abused duty disability be fired and charged with theft .
Most deserve duty disability but a few are scammers and should be in prison .
I have a question....Do the Retired Aldercreatures who went along with Emanuel have the health insurance that was promised to them and THEIR families??? Does the WEALTHY former mayor who took it away from us have affordable health insurance for himself and HIS family???? How about all of the retired politicians??? You can bet the answers to these questions is YES!!! But let’s make sure to give all of the illegals and their children free health insurance that WE deserve for all of our years of service to this city. They.....particularly, the former mayor should all be ashamed of themselves!
Forget Rahm. He didn’t fuck as much as the Daley’s did.
But plenty of money for sanctuary.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
$33,000 a year comes out to $2,750 a month. No thanks Rahm. Let's see Rahm pay $2,750 a month for his insurance.
3/15/2020 12:48:00 AM
A good Bolshevik never pays anything for themselves or family. A parasite for life.
let CPD handle their jobs and CFD handle their jobs , men down , check well being is not a police officers job , either are mentally or family disturbances
send in liberal social workers
Hey mayor and governor. You are both big mouths suffering of little man syndrome. We are all sick of you insulting the POTUS. What's the point of constantly trying to humiliate Trump? It won't work anyway, he knows you are both buffoons.
Incompetence? Look in the mirror Lori you hypocrite. Your worried about long lines at the airport during an unusual crisis? When your city is killing and robbing and beating and raping each other? That's under your watch madam mayor. BTW - no one respects you Lori.
the city is going to use the Coronavirus to screw us out of any raise.
Rham the socialist attacked the most vulnerable in our city. A double standard
Let's go with the correct info. City employees opted out of contributing to Medicare so they can have a higher paycheck by a couple dollars a month. That's why they have lost all their court cases so far. Now they are crying. They can go with the affordable care act at a fraction of the cost from the city's insurance. I am not crying for them one bit.
$33k????
I'm gonna give ya every inch of a parker
Every inch of a mover
Fee-tal, Fetal, Fee-tal, Fetal
What does Rahm's health insurance subsidy look like after he retired/quit ???
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Another issue that WE are paying for ourselves. We retirees have been sending Krislov money out of our pension checks to pay for this lawsuit. Just like WE are paying for a financial audit of our pension funds. I hate this fucking city.
3/15/2020 12:17:00 AM
Yes, we send Krislov money from time to time. It's voluntary. Don't want to? Then don't send anything. I can get on the FOP Aetna plan but I also send Krislov sone dough. He doesn't get paid unless he wins the suit. Most of the funds are his own. You can resign any time you want. I am retired, I felt like you do too. I worked it out, made it to the end. Good luck.
Frozen key lime pie on a stick. I could go for that.
(OT) Notice how Lori and the governor a closing all the restaurants all the bars but leaving open the dope Dispensery’s and the liquor stores typical Democrats they need to close that shit down to. I bet also the abortion clinics are open right fucking Democrats! As police officers please be safe we have to pray to God to protect us God bless the police and the fire department!
"Anonymous said...
Our lodge needs to be negotiating with the city to address the hundreds of officers that are maxed but don't have the age of 55 yet. Put into place a tier system so officers can get health care at a somewhat, not great but a somewhat decent doable rate and retire. Four, five, shit even six percent of an officers salary and they can and will leave tomorrow. A win win for the officers and for the city who I'm sure would like to rid those officers making a much higher wage than a newbie coming out the door. Remember, they'll be hundreds of officers in the same boat in the next year or two in the same predicament. Health insurance should be one of the lodge's highest priorities.
3/15/2020 03:35:00 AM
4, 5, 6% you suggest? How about offering the city 8, 10, 15% instead you fucking numbskull. How about starting a negotiating with 0% asshat?
Off Topic: from the Slum Times:Ex-Chicago cop’s son accused in Dolton triple shooting freed on bail over prosecutor’s protest.
JUDGE Arthur Willis Strikes Again
The prosecutor, Gino Betts, told Cook County Circuit Judge Arthur Wesley Willis that Bradley was in a car that pulled up to another vehicle at 14912 S. Michigan Ave. the evening of July 6. Bradley fired 15 to 20 shots into the other car, striking the driver in the head, one passenger in the neck, shoulder and back and another passenger in a leg, Betts told the judge.
Bradley was caught on a surveillance video at a gas station six minutes after the shooting, after getting out of the passenger’s side of the car used in the shooting, Betts said.
Police obtained a search warrant for Bradley’s car and found gunshot residue on the driver’s door, steering wheel and glove compartment, along with a .40-caliber bullet casing — the type of ammunition used in the shooting, Betts said.
The judge asked whether police conducted a photo lineup for the victims to identify Bradley, and the prosecutor said no.
According to the transcript, Bradley’s attorney Matthew Kaplan said the only identification of Bradley was the video of him at the gas station, where he bought candy.
“He was not identified by any of the victims whatsoever,” said Kaplan, also noting that the car didn’t belong to Bradley.
mortgage and a car note
side of beef now baby
cruise ship vacation
on my credit card
but that's all finished
that's all gone now
I'm so broke man
gotta stay home
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Off topic, but needs to be posted to hopefully stem the virus panic. They finally released stats of Covid deaths in Europe. 0-10 year olds who contracted had 0% death rate. 10-20 .1% (Same as common flu). 20-40 yr-olds .2% (double common flu). 50-60 .4% 4 times flu.. 60-70 .6%.. 70-80 4% (40 times common flu). 85 and over 15%. So from intial stats the death rate under 40 is about same or lower than common flu. For older its very dangerous and high death rate. However, they also noted these were people tested who either became sick or in contact with infected person. They noted the death rate may be considerably lower from numerous people off all age groups who have it but have little to no symptoms. So take precautions but don't panic.
3/15/2020 12:31:00 AM
In China they've quarantined and tested lots of their people. Thats why their numbers are so high. In the US we haven't been testing like we should be. Thats why our numbers are so low.
Ma & Pa Kettle meet Uneasy Rider
Ma: I guess we can buy that farm now, Pa
Pa: Ma, I been waiting all my life for this
Uneasy Rider: Never carry any more than you can eat
Trump Cut Rates
Now our fixed rate bonds are worth more now
(for the time being)
It's gonna be so great if/when these people manage to gain control of the whole country's health system...
It's a Republic if you can keep it
12:48 AM
Go illegal. Visit the food banks.
(Wonder why no robberies at food banks)
Ya wanna see people run? Show up at the Emergency Room.
SS Number? What's that?
Stock Futures Slide After Rate Cuts
You devote your whole life to law enforcement,and the city takes away the health insurance. UNBELIEVABLE!
Complex contracts written and interpreted by a slippery Tribe of shysters will result in shortfall.
JB is picking his pork chops to "fix" that pesky Constitutional protection. The sbort-end of the stick will be his Olive Branch.
This easily preventable pandemic will usher in the usual Hegelian Dialectic.
How the 'Problem-Reaction-Solution' Paradigm Works:
1) The government creates or exploits a problem, then attributes blame to others.
2) The populace react by asking the government for protection and help.
3) The government offers a draconian solution that was planned long before the crisis.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hey! Thats me… Never trust a democrat. Vile, greedy creatures. Just got a 1200 dollar check from the lawsuit, I guess that is supposed to make up for the city breaking the contract. Maybe I can buy in on wife's medicare in a couple of years… thanks, Rahm! Oh, and thanks 0bama and the rest of the democrats for destroying health insurance for everybody, great job!
3/15/2020 12:41:00 A---------------------------------
Brother - Is the $1200.00 coming to us retired people ? Retired in 2013. Kindly let us know.
Voting in a general election is a waste of time in Illinois. The hog (D) run the show.
Anyone paying that 33k is just stupid and did not research better options. Another mole hill into a mountain. Supervised Trump did not get blamed. But you keep pulling the Democratic lever. Enjoy your puppet life.
Your lodge. What a joke. Lodge is that a good old boys club. What you need is a hardliners bargaining unit not a lodge filled with clown puppets. Lori saw that right away, why do you think your no closer to a contract today than you were a year ago. Clownery plain and simple. The Bozo'so are not ready for the big tent. Spend the money and let a lawyer versed in contract law do your negating no one from your Lodge should be allowed at the table. Time for hard ball but in order to do that you have to have 100% of the members behind you.
I listened to Pritzker and The Bullfrog’s presser. Gotta agree with Pritzker about the bars and restaurants. The Bullfrog was a fucking train wreck however. Acting all puffed up and tough about the cluster at ORD last night. They know they needed more people, Pence admitted it, they’re sending them. What a complete ass hole of a mayor. Major embarrassment.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I don't understand how illegals get free healthcare and we get screwed
3/15/2020 06:42:00 AM
What really pisses me off are the billboards I'd see on the south side picturing a young hispanic looking girl, and in spanish the message reads, "Free braces with the medical card!"
WTF. Nothing is free. The government doesnt pay, we pay through our tax dollars. These rat politicians are going to push us over the edge, then it will be look out. We will be hunting polls down in the streets if this bullshit doesn't stop.
What about the CTA and the U.S.Postal Service pensions? You never hear anything on them. Are they both funded? Does the city and feds put the proper funds into their pensions? What is there status?
Oh, and thanks 0bama and the rest of the democrats for destroying health insurance for everybody, great job!
3/15/2020 07:59:00 AM
Remember what Barry Soetero said? "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor."
And Pelosi."You have to pass the healthcare bill to find out what is in it."
They better hope Trump rounds them all up and throws them in Gitmo.......for their own protection.
Let's go with the correct info. City employees opted out of contributing to Medicare so they can have a higher paycheck by a couple dollars a month. That's why they have lost all their court cases so far. Now they are crying. They can go with the affordable care act at a fraction of the cost from the city's insurance. I am not crying for them one bit.
Absolutely wrong....In the 80's a group of CPD officers filed Federal suit against City to pay into Social Security and Medicare...the City fought it saying they could not afford their end and that the employees would have a pension and insurance their whole lives. Check it out...now Rahm, get off this blog you asshole!!!!!!
Anonymous said...
(OT) Notice how Lori and the governor a closing all the restaurants all the bars but leaving open the dope Dispensery’s and the liquor stores typical Democrats they need to close that shit down to. I bet also the abortion clinics are open right fucking Democrats! As police officers please be safe we have to pray to God to protect us God bless the police and the fire department!
3/15/2020 03:25:00 PM
Drove by midway dispensary on archer today big crowds waiting to get in, sidewalks full people tightly inline a dish of sickness waiting to infect, wtf Lori and fatass??
Let's go with the correct info. City employees opted out of contributing to Medicare so they can have a higher paycheck by a couple dollars a month. That's why they have lost all their court cases so far. Now they are crying. They can go with the affordable care act at a fraction of the cost from the city's insurance. I am not crying for them one bit.
Hey dickhead I came on in 1985 and we were not offered Medicare. That was offered and given to all POs that came on in 1986.
The courts have without fail always sided and ruled in favor of entitlement holders.
This is totally unconscionable.
Sadly I had co-workers that are in their 70’s & 80’s and will literally work until they die just for the insurance....they can’t afford to live if they don’t. Very sad situation.....
That the choice they made, nice easy 2hr a day city job.
Like Daley getting a bond issue for the bullshit Bears for Soldiers Field or the White Sucks not paying for the ball field till they put 2 million asses in the seats, poor sports team owner, oh and Reinsdollars telling Rham he wanted a tax break to build the bulls training facility and got naming rights from Advocate Health care. Fuck Them !
Rahm Emanuel is a JOKE !!!!!
3/15/2020 10:09:00 AM
9.5 did not leave anyone with a smile on their face. He was a cruel joke that keeps on giving "it" to us. He's is a no good, pos, CPD hater and I hope his books sales are in the dumper. I wouldn't pee on him.....you know the rest.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Our lodge needs to be negotiating with the city to address the hundreds of officers that are maxed but don't have the age of 55 yet. Put into place a tier system so officers can get health care at a somewhat, not great but a somewhat decent doable rate and retire. Four, five, shit even six percent of an officers salary and they can and will leave tomorrow. A win win for the officers and for the city who I'm sure would like to rid those officers making a much higher wage than a newbie coming out the door. Remember, they'll be hundreds of officers in the same boat in the next year or two in the same predicament. Health insurance should be one of the lodge's highest priorities.
This!
scc ant truth if the national guard is being deployed to chicago
I moved away decades ago but I return home often and speak to family and friends in Chicago daily. Sadly, I have not heard a positive story in decades. The thing about leaving is.....you have to leave before anything gets better. Your Real Estate can only go down. Your schools cannot and will not get any better, that ended in the 80s. The ONLY thing that can help you is distance. Being happy is priceless, you owe it to yourselves.
Starting over sucks, it does, but it is worth it.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Let's go with the correct info. City employees opted out of contributing to Medicare so they can have a higher paycheck by a couple dollars a month. That's why they have lost all their court cases so far. Now they are crying. They can go with the affordable care act at a fraction of the cost from the city's insurance. I am not crying for them one bit.
Hey dickhead I came on in 1985 and we were not offered Medicare. That was offered and given to all POs that came on in 1986.
3/15/2020 07:43:00 PM
What a jagoff!
Pensions = Ponzi scheme
Unions = Inept Ponzi scheme pushers
Rahm is the devil himself stating he fucked retired people and gloated about it.
3/15/2020 02:08:00 AM
I often thought Little Dick Daley had a deal with the Devil, and 100% agree with you that Rahm Emanuel IS the Devil.
rb
I was taught the Democratic Party was the party of the working man.
3/15/2020 12:47:00 AM
Trouble is, most of the union folk continue to believe this falsehood.
rb
Four, five, shit even six percent of an officers salary and they can and will leave tomorrow. A win win for the officers and for the city
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Do the math. Even six percentage the pension benefit will only cover a small part of the cost. Even if the average pension was $100,000 (its not), six percent would be just $6000. That is maybe 20-25% of the cost of the health insurance.
In most cases 6% of the pension benefit is probably more like 10% of the insurance cost.
There just is no win in this for the city or the taxpayers.
Anonymous said...
Let's go with the correct info. City employees opted out of contributing to Medicare so they can have a higher paycheck by a couple dollars a month. That's why they have lost all their court cases so far. Now they are crying. They can go with the affordable care act at a fraction of the cost from the city's insurance. I am not crying for them one bit.
NOT the correct info, CPD and CFD back then did not have the opportunity to pay into SS#. When it was in the courts "Rahm" said health insurance was not a promised benefit. Although personal emails of his that said he f**ked over CPD and CFD because everyone knows health insurance is a benefit. The "email" was not allowed in court.
This has effected the widows and children of CPD and CFD. I know of 1 widow that was quoted $3000 a month for insurance just for herself. Another put her child on state insurance.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Let's go with the correct info. City employees opted out of contributing to Medicare so they can have a higher paycheck by a couple dollars a month. That's why they have lost all their court cases so far. Now they are crying. They can go with the affordable care act at a fraction of the cost from the city's insurance. I am not crying for them one bit.
Absolutely wrong....In the 80's a group of CPD officers filed Federal suit against City to pay into Social Security and Medicare...the City fought it saying they could not afford their end and that the employees would have a pension and insurance their whole lives. Check it out...now Rahm, get off this blog you asshole!!!!!!
3/15/2020 07:17:00 PM
Just my two cents and to agree with the above poster. I am retired now. Came on the job at 21 in 1976. Was told not to worry about hospitalization insurance because we would have it for life. Fast forward to 1986, all new hires were required to pay into Medicare which was an additional 1.45% which I would have gladly paid. I contacted personnel and asked to be included. The answer was “no way” only new hires can be included. Those of us who came on before 1986 were never offered the opportunity to contribute to Medicare. I’m certain that we all would have if we had been permitted. So now, I pay out of pocket for my Plan B Medicare in addition to my supplement and my Plan G drug coverage.
This will take years to wind thru the courts and by that time many will already be dead. Be careful what you wish for because at some point the tipping point will lead to city bankruptcy. Then your all really screwed, bye bye golden parachute pension medical and anything else you thought you might be getting. Better make sure your legal other half is working and you can file on their SS. Keep pushing for more and more and it will come to that.
I worked private sector jobs before, during, and after my police service. Thank God I had enough in to qualify for Medicare at age 65.
torches and pitchforks...
that's all they understand
To all the "Absolutely Wrongs". These are cuvillian employees. Not CPD or CFD. Now go get your shine box.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Rahm is the devil himself stating he fucked retired people and gloated about it.
3/15/2020 02:08:00 AM
I often thought Little Dick Daley had a deal with the Devil, and 100% agree with you that Rahm Emanuel IS the Devil.
rb
3/16/2020 12:17:00 AM
Saw that the smartest person in the room, rahm was on one of last weekends, alleged, news shows touting his new book. He was telling the talking heads on the show how to fuck up the President by using twitter! All their mouths dropped open! What a good American.....
Came on in 1976, was told the same thing about never worrying about health coverage. I kept working part time jobs over the years to enable myself to pay into Social security.under the Rostenkowski bill I lose $190 each money not the 60 percent because I have 28 years of continued contributions. I have Medicare and pay 145 each month from my 1200 monthly check. I started collecting at 65 by choice instead of waiting to collect full social security at 70 years old. I clear 685 per month but am covered by medicare. New hires paid into medicare and any part time work I still do gets medicare taken out.
No Bankruptcy judge will grant bankruptcy relief to the City of Chicago. The city has a viable tax base and the ability to increase taxes. The city chooses to claim insolvency. It is not insolvent.
Be forewarned boys and girls the dispatchers are failing to protect us and I say that because they gave us a job to back up fire and upon arrival discovered it was a coronavirus incident. Our supervisor instructed us to stay a few blocks away and instructed he wanted the address tagged for future calls and the dispatcher refused claiming she would need her supervisors permission first. So much for the ANFM message on corona virus.
If that is true you should print out s pcad of the incident, ask the sgt to do am exposure reprt on you, and you and the sgt should write a to from to document the incident. Please keep us posted. I am praying for you.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Our lodge needs to be negotiating with the city to address the hundreds of officers that are maxed but don't have the age of 55 yet. Put into place a tier system so officers can get health care at a somewhat, not great but a somewhat decent doable rate and retire. Four, five, shit even six percent of an officers salary and they can and will leave tomorrow. A win win for the officers and for the city who I'm sure would like to rid those officers making a much higher wage than a newbie coming out the door. Remember, they'll be hundreds of officers in the same boat in the next year or two in the same predicament. Health insurance should be one of the lodge's highest priorities.
This is a great idea.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Our lodge needs to be negotiating with the city to address the hundreds of officers that are maxed but don't have the age of 55 yet. Put into place a tier system so officers can get health care at a somewhat, not great but a somewhat decent doable rate and retire. Four, five, shit even six percent of an officers salary and they can and will leave tomorrow. A win win for the officers and for the city who I'm sure would like to rid those officers making a much higher wage than a newbie coming out the door. Remember, they'll be hundreds of officers in the same boat in the next year or two in the same predicament. Health insurance should be one of the lodge's highest priorities.
This!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Let's go with the correct info. City employees opted out of contributing to Medicare so they can have a higher paycheck by a couple dollars a month. That's why they have lost all their court cases so far. Now they are crying. They can go with the affordable care act at a fraction of the cost from the city's insurance. I am not crying for them one bit.
Pure bullshit. I came on in 1965 and we were never offered or were allowed to contribute towards Medicare. We never opted out. But most and I mean 99% were aware of the situation and made sure we had 40 quarters to qualify either thru prior work experience or if we didn’t have the quarters had a part time job that allowed us to pay in. Then when we reached 40 quarters you were gold and could quit working PR if you chose. Some of us had working wives or wives that had the 40 quarters and used their quarters for Medicare After 10 years of marriage(not an easy task on CPD) you are locked in even if she dumps you
Anonymous said...
This will take years to wind thru the courts and by that time many will already be dead. Be careful what you wish for because at some point the tipping point will lead to city bankruptcy. Then your all really screwed, bye bye golden parachute pension medical and anything else you thought you might be getting. Better make sure your legal other half is working and you can file on their SS. Keep pushing for more and more and it will come to that.
3/16/2020 05:28:00 AM
So true when you push that envelope it eventually gets overloaded and tears open,and the contents cannot be handled!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This will take years to wind thru the courts and by that time many will already be dead. Be careful what you wish for because at some point the tipping point will lead to city bankruptcy. Then your all really screwed, bye bye golden parachute pension medical and anything else you thought you might be getting. Better make sure your legal other half is working and you can file on their SS. Keep pushing for more and more and it will come to that.
3/16/2020 05:28:00 AM
Fuck you Rahm.
Hey "Be careful what you wished for," f*ck right off with that. We signed a contract, we held up our end to immense incalculable personal cost. Golden parachute medical and pension? You should've signed up to serve then.
There is no tipping point in normal circumstabces, the City has billions in Tif funds to square away liabilities instead of using it as a personal Democratic party slush fund/money laundering scheme/political contribution reward treasure chest.
There are only 15 states that do not participate in social security for public employees Illinois is one of the 15. You can thank the democrats for sticking it in you ear.
"Let's go with the correct info. City employees opted out of contributing to Medicare so they can have a higher paycheck by a couple dollars a month. That's why they have lost all their court cases so far. Now they are crying. They can go with the affordable care act at a fraction of the cost from the city's insurance. I am not crying for them one bit."
You are not too stupid, you are four stupid.
100% WRONG.
Rahm Emanuel is a fuck'n CLOWN!!!!
The City wants you to go to Stroger Hospital in honor of your years of service you should grateful!
Brother - Is the $1200.00 coming to us retired people ? Retired in 2013. Kindly let us know.
I think it was because I had signed on to the lawsuit a couple of years ago… and I did send Krislov some donations, if anyone is wondering.
And to the angry poster stating that we had 'opted out' of Medicare, I started in 1982, and we had no such option. The city said we take out your pension money every check, and you WILL have insurance after you retire. I never asked for their buckshot scheme, I did not have a choice.
4, 5, 6% you suggest? How about offering the city 8, 10, 15% instead you fucking numbskull. How about starting a negotiating with 0% asshat?
You’re an idiot and a tool. Do the math you numskull. 6% at a high would maybe equal $600-$700 of an officers gross pay rather than spending out of pocket $1,900+ for single care coverage, family plan more than double that.
No brainer stupid. You think the city will go backwards from 2% at 55 or to FREE at 55 or at Maxed 29-1day. You’re dreaming.
Our lodge needs to be negotiating with the city to address the hundreds of officers that are maxed but don't have the age of 55 yet. Put into place a tier system so officers can get health care at a somewhat, not great but a somewhat decent doable rate and retire. Four, five, shit even six percent of an officers salary and they can and will leave tomorrow. A win win for the officers and for the city who I'm sure would like to rid those officers making a much higher wage than a newbie coming out the door. Remember, they'll be hundreds of officers in the same boat in the next year or two in the same predicament. Health insurance should be one of the lodge's highest priorities.
This virus could not come at a worse time for our negotiations. City is losing a fortune in tax revenue. With the bars, restaurants, theaters closing among a few the tax revenue dropped substantially along with city revenue sharing from the state. Not to mention the loss of our pension investments.
When I went through the academy the Medicare deduction was new and plenty of my classmates were bitching that this was unnecessary because we were guaranteed great insurance for life.
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