Twice the Rate of Retirements
Groot won't have to cut manpower - it's undergoing self-attrition:
- Chicago police officers have been retiring at double the normal rate recently, raising concerns that the number of new hires won’t keep pace with the number leaving.
Michael Lappe, vice president of the board of trustees for the Policemen’s Annuity and Benefit Fund of Chicago, said 59 police officers are retiring in August, with another 51 retirements set for next month. “That’s unheard of,” Lappe said. “We’re seeing double the average number of retirees each month. The average is about 24 a month.” He said a change in health insurance benefits is a factor, while the police union president blames Mayor Lori Lightfoot for not backing police officers.
Retirements in 2020 are on pace to be higher than in any of the past few years. There were 335 police retirements through the end of July, compared with 475 for all of 2019 and 339 for all of 2018, according to pension records.
We aren't sure if Lappe is only noting the Officer numbers, or the sergeants and above also, but his numbers seem to indicate only blue shirts. The totals point to a disturbing future of manpower and hiring shortages when no one wants this job.
When is the next entrance exam?
When is the next entrance exam?
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
124 Comments:
Leaving in droves thanks to Larry LeGroot.
This is your "passive" defund the police plan. For those that have a little time OTJ, it's similar to the 55 and out for free medical insurance, which at the time coincided with the orchestrated banking and housing crisis. In reality, it was a "passive" way of reducing payroll and subsequent city pension contributions. There wasn't much, if any, new hiring going on at the time.
Approximately 20-25% of 9161's are eligible to retire right now. They have 20 OTJ and are 50 YOA or older. I have had conversations with more than a handful of officers who fit this demographic, and all of them were actively seeking a way to retire without the medical insurance. Many will go on spouses medical insurance. I spoke to a friend who retired 2 years ago before age 55, he said he pays $700 a month for insurance just for himself, but the stress of not being on the job was more than worth it.
Lyin Leftfeet won't be able to hire to keep up with upcoming attrition. Of course, it is more than happy with that outcome. As I opened the post, this is her "passive" defund the department strategy.
Getting out while the getting is good. Why wait to be fired, charged, and perp walked. Retire or seek other departments or employment possibilities.
A few months ago I put in for early next year when I turn 55. Hey ugly ass groot, If the department manpower is extremely low i'll stay for double time.
I’m 52 with 20 yrs. send a message to her and tell her
I’ll take the 3.5 percent if she drops the age to at least
51 and I’ll leave to
The attracting of viable candidates for police officers in this city has been a major concern for a long time.
It is not made any better by
The current state of social unrest
The social justice movement
The animosity of the city administration for the police
The economic uncertainty of policing given the defunding movement.
The long term economic viability of the city and state.
Corrupt local government
Housing costs.
Education system
Residency required.
What was the turnout for the last test?
Is there a financial play where the constant overtime means people will all retire next year?
The Mayor is destroying the pension.
Key point in the article is the fact we have 850 more retirees collecting a pension, than the number of cops currently working. He also stated it used to be 3000 less collecting than working. So in other words, we're taking more out than what we put in, so it has to crash eventually.
Like Rahm said, never let a crisis go to waste. Covid19 is a perfect crisis to declare bankruptcy and screw over a bunch of cops and retirees. They hate us anyway, so why wouldn't they?
Anybody with age and time needs to seriously consider retirement. When these SJW democrats default, retirees have a better argument in court for not diminishing the pension they've already been collecting.
If you are able to retire and you don't, well WTF are you waiting for?
We were short handed before this. It will only get worse
Add 1 to the he Sergeants coming soon. It just isn’t fun anymore. 50 and out. 5 months, is too much. 5 more years can’t be done. The plan was always 50 but thought I would be on my own terms. I don’t want to associated with this International embarrassment of a place anymore. The only good is the new FOP Prez. He doesn’t hold back what needs to be said. Btw, has any of the lie-tenants been out on the front lines earning their pay, sharing that knowledge they keep so deeply hidden?(only to be used on promotion tests we’d have to guess!)
Let's DEFUND Da Police!!!
Thes3 fools have no clue of what they are asking for!!!
Would love to know the number of p.os who put in for lateral jobs across the state as well
Heres the fun kicker. You read this to those fuck12 clowns (I’m sure most can’t read) and it has to be invigorating. Not sure if y’all have heard them yapping but they’re no where near done. They’re going to get what they’re asking for. And they might not like it.
Mayor Groot is happy with these retirements and you should be too. GET OUT of this city, it is a dying cesspool. Dont risk your health and livelihood to work for a Mayor and neighborhoods that hate you. Be proud you served for so long. Take that pension and move to a low tax, low crime state like Arizona or Tennessee.
What change in health insurance is he referring too?
The next exam will be held at the exit from cook county jail. The only ones signing up for this job will be dumbass criminals if they keep villainizing the police and lowering the standards. The test will consist of printing your name. Passing score is anything less than 12 mistakes.
Groot you should have CPD recruiters at the next BLM riot.
"When is the next entrance exam?"
Remember when the "kids" would be lined up down the block to take the test? I'm guessing a broom closet will suffice now.
I was born, raised and worked for Chicago!
Now I can't wait to retire and leave Chicago!
Bye Bye Chicago as it is NOT a good place to live in retirement!
High cost of living, high taxes and the weather sucks most of the year and didn't even mention the out of control BLM crimes yet!
Take your retirement and run from Chicago!
It'll be bad in future years. Greenhorns running the department and on the streets. It'll exacerbate the city's decline. Coupled with weak prosecutors, the hell will spread to every corner in the city. Get while you still can.
If you are able to retire and you don't, well WTF are you waiting for?
Turn 63...
Who said perp? Don't say perp!
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
You might want to get your hands on a copy of the proposed contract with the firefighters union. It spells out the changes in the insurance.
I put my papers in last week. Bye Illinois
Anyone with the time to retire do it. Your the lucky ones. I took a lateral spot elsewhere but still need out of this awful career. It's not worth it.
Anybody with age and time needs to seriously consider retirement . If you are able to retire and you don't, well WTF are you waiting for?!!!!
They might scrape up a few board up and cable folks willing to change professions.
Amazon is always looking for drivers.
California just passed a wealth tax law that follows you for ten years if you move out of
state
Watch The IL Demorats try to do that with our pensions too
We loose up to 10% of the department this year
12:35AM.....
CPD overtime is not pensionable.
Base salary is used to calculate CPD pensions.
And no, we do not get compounded interest COLAs.
We get a simple 3% COLA.
War on the Police was started by POTUS Hussein.
I knew in my bones this shit was coming to this country the night he got elected.
I left this year at 55.
Probably would have stayed til 58 if there was no Marxist revolution going on.
***The New Stats are out on Americans and which states are loosing their residents, the following is the top 10 biggest loosing states:
(1). New Jersey
(2). Illinois 33.5% incoming vs 66.5% outgoing
(3). New York
(4). Connecticut
(5). Kansas
(6). Ohio
(7). California
(8). Michigan
(9). North Dakota
(10). Iowa
Police Recruiting Posters at the next Downtown Looting spectacle
Hire the Looters. They can Identify their Looting Partners
All DePaul Graduates need to DeFund their Alumni Membership
The Class of Graduates are all Looters and Unruly
Serious question for coppers with time on the job and young adult children.
Are you pushing your kids to or from the job? I know I was married to a female copper and she had two younger kids when we met and (we are now divorced) but we both talked her kids out of becoming the police. Both are grown, 23 and 27 years old. Neither police. I am now remarried with a 10 year old and I am pushing her to become a Dr and she may only be starting 4th grade but she's showing an interest.
Add 1 to the he Sergeants coming soon. It just isn’t fun anymore. 50 and out. 5 months, is too much. 5 more years can’t be done. The plan was always 50 but thought I would be on my own terms. I don’t want to associated with this International embarrassment of a place anymore. The only good is the new FOP Prez. He doesn’t hold back what needs to be said. Btw, has any of the lie-tenants been out on the front lines earning their pay, sharing that knowledge they keep so deeply hidden?(only to be used on promotion tests we’d have to guess!)
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I did same. I actually retired at 49 and moved to Costa Rica with my family and am raising daughter here. All of you hung up on the health insurance thing there are other options. In Costa Rica you can get great insurance here for $200/month and you live here on $5,000/mo if you have all your shit paid for.
The Lightfoot Sh*tshow.
Don’t worry about recruitment, soon there will be plenty of SS wannabes applying for your jobs.
Lift residency more officers would stay longer.
There's been no change health care, what is Lapoe talkjngvabout? And all these increased number of retirees is going to put a huge draw on an already diminished and failing pension fund. The near future of the pension is doomed. The numbers don't lie and nobody is adding to the numbers contributed on either side. But with the number of exempt rank positions, who draw 2 to 3 times a pension versus what a p.o. gets, keep going up and up and the number of po retiring keeps going up and up the burden to sustain is impossible
The Midget wants to downsize the department to under ten thousand. She will get her wish and more. Nobody wants this job any more.
Who gives a shit! Lean against anything you can to rest your bodies. Don’t be proactive in any way shape or form. Worry about your pension being halved. And don’t thinks it’s not coming. A simple amendment to the state constitution sponsored by the majority communist party and its a done deal. Prepare yourselves.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What change in health insurance is he referring too?
8/18/2020 02:00:00 AM
2% to 3.5% per arbitrator's decision for the Sgts (and Lts?) for retirees
All according to plan.
George S.
What change in health insurance is he referring too?
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It's going from 2% to 3.5% for the PBPA. (And Fire if they vote yes on the contract.) FOP will the shaft also next year.
I’m 52 with 20 yrs. send a message to her and tell her
I’ll take the 3.5 percent if she drops the age to at least
51 and I’ll leave to.
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The PBPA asked for that deal for age 51 to 54.
The arbitrator said NO.. "it would be bad for the pension fund" Arbitrator Rommel stated.
HOWEVER our damn PBPA also VOLUNTEERED to raising the age 55 deal from 2% to 3.5% and raise the age 60 deal from FREE to 1.5%.
The FOP had worked the FREE Age 60 insurance into the contract over 20 years ago and now the PBPA just totally fucks all of us by destroying the contract.
The Mayor is destroying the pension.
8/18/2020 12:39:00 AM
She is trying, but she still has a fiscal responsibility to the employees and pensioners. She can't claim bankruptcy because she would have to open up ALL books to federal auditors. Detroit, although they went into bankruptcy, had to pay all pensioners what was/is owed.
She is very shortsighted.
FOP Pres. hit the nail on the head.
Who in their right mind would stay under these horrible conditions if they can financially swing getting the hell out of here.?
I am amazed that you guys have the tolerance levels that you do.....although it's not much different here in NYFS (New York Fucking State)....I just don't know how you guys do it, day to day.
This begs the questions: When the good cops say "Fuck it, I'm outta here"....who will replace them?
1) BLM/Antifags posing as LEO's, and once they are officers on the street, actually enable these commie pieces of shit to further accomplish their goals?
2) Less than desirable psychopaths who enjoy unrestrained power over others because those are the only types of people that will want to become LEO's?
The regular guys that actually give a shit will have all left, retired, quit, got killed in the line of duty or whatever.
This appears to me to be a well organized plan to not "Abolish" or "Defund" the police but to replace them with "Their" police.....Brown Shirts, SS, Stasi, Gestapo....pick a name, it's all the same.
And better yet, with the blatant, in-your-face endorsement of our political leaders. Regardless of whether people can man-up and admit it or not, they all lean heavily "Left"
Larri LightFührer makes for a hostile working environment argument.
You won’t find this kind of workplace hostility anywhere else.
Retirement is inevitable for everyone.
Aside from a decent Unit, bosses and seniority furlough, it’s what we strive for. But it’s also a calculated action planned decades in advance by hiring restraints. The City bean counters been doing this since mid ‘80’s. It’s a sinister way to collapse a pension. Radical political climate accelerated the process. Funny Uncle Larri LightLoafer will lower the CPD budget through this attrition and declare it as a political victory for the movement folk.
Leaving one way or another creates the void these people are hoping for.
The vision The Democrats and simpleton Larri have is a Re-Imagined police department nationwide. Retirements will restock a new world order policing. Uninspiring Low energy Mashed potato Brown is no help here...he’s with her, like everyone else that came before, a million dollar, term limited, compliant servant to the king.
FU
L L
Buy me out Lightfoot. I have 15 years on and I'm 38. Give me $1.5 million and you'll never have to see me again
There will be a massive hiring surge when all of this settles down.
The new recruits will be committed DSA/BLM/Antifa communists.
Abolition of police is all bullshit.
They just want a different police force.
Current big city police forces are the last repository of traditional American values in blue cities.
As they say, “20 is the new 29!”
So they think the department needs reform now wait til they have start recruiting from the central booking desk, because these are the only types that we'll be able to attract. We will end up with thugs, gypsies, tramps and thieves in uniform. Between the retirements, Covid, and the medical and psychological issues generated from the atmosphere created by abandoning the rule of law, we are going to be in a shit storm mode. One more year, if I live that long.
There has been too much distrust, too much animosity. None here are without sin. But I have an honorable compromise. Just walk away. Give your badge, the salary, the benefits, and the whole profession and I spare your lives. Just walk away. I will give you safe passage to retirement. Just walk away and there will be an end to the horror. I await your answer. You have little time to decide.
What change in health insurance is he referring too?
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If you retire now you only have to pay 3.5% of your pension check for health insurance until you hit Medicare. If you wait you have to pay 100% of it. Depending on whether you are married or not and need health insurance for your spouse or children you could be paying several thousand dollars a month for health insurance if you wait.
This is the strategy to overwork patrol, all those 12 and 13 hour days with no days off, cancelled days off. Its abuse of power. Trying to provoke a job action such as blue flu to bust the old contract. Shameful.
Approximately 20-25% of 9161's are eligible to retire right now. They have 20 OTJ and are 50 YOA or older. I have had conversations with more than a handful of officers who fit this demographic, and all of them were actively seeking a way to retire without the medical insurance. Many will go on spouses medical insurance. I spoke to a friend who retired 2 years ago before age 55, he said he pays $700 a month for insurance just for himself, but the stress of not being on the job was more than worth it.
Not to many 50 year olds with 20 on will be retiring. Also not too many spouses will go for that “I’ll go on spouses health insurance”. What you are telling them is I want to retire at 50 so you will have to continue to work until 65 to get us the insurance and make sure you don’t get latex off or fired as we need the insurance
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What change in health insurance is he referring too?
8/18/2020 02:00:00 AM
Youre kidding, right?
If not, you'd better check with the union.
This is your "passive" defund the police plan. For those that have a little time OTJ, it's similar to the 55 and out for free medical insurance, which at the time coincided with the orchestrated banking and housing crisis. In reality, it was a "passive" way of reducing payroll and subsequent city pension contributions. There wasn't much, if any, new hiring going on at the time.
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it is a common practice in both the private sector and the public sector to offer inducements to employees to retire early as a way of reducing payroll. This is nothing unusual at all. You need to stop thinking that you're something special. You're not. You're just a cost like any other city employee. The city is going broke and needs to reduce its expenses and payroll is a big expense and one of the few expenses that can be reduced readily.
Defund City Hall.
Keep Police
Keep Fire/EMS
Keep Streets/San
Keep Water
Keep Parks
Keep Bridges
Get rid of the non-producers. [Schools]
When you Retire you can carry any gun you want and No more gun registration.
Anonymous said...
Key point in the article is the fact we have 850 more retirees collecting a pension, than the number of cops currently working. He also stated it used to be 3000 less collecting than working. So in other words, we're taking more out than what we put in, so it has to crash eventually.
Like Rahm said, never let a crisis go to waste. Covid19 is a perfect crisis to declare bankruptcy and screw over a bunch of cops and retirees. They hate us anyway, so why wouldn't they?
Anybody with age and time needs to seriously consider retirement. When these SJW democrats default, retirees have a better argument in court for not diminishing the pension they've already been collecting.
8/18/2020 12:40:00 AM
The market has been paying ridiculously good returns, thanks to record-breaking highs. Unless we have total morons for investment advisors, the fund should be bringing in much more than just the percentage paid in by active sworn.
File lawsuits over not being promoted before you retire!
Ok Beale, so what are you and your city council gonna do about it. You're the chair of the police committee. What I'm hearing from you is you don't have a handle on what the hell is going on within your committee or the Police Dept. Get a mitt, a pair of spikes and get into the game. Come on man!
If you plan on retiring prior to age 55 check and see how much you will have to pay for health insurance $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ before you go !
https://www.facebook.com/thehodgetwins/videos/wow-this-is-good-she-exposes-the-democrats/1088188328242704/
I was always planning to stay 29+ 1 day and retire at 56 but with all this anti-police bullshit and all the elected criminals holding office my plans have changed. Getting out ASAP, leaving Illinois for greener pastures where the citizens respect law enforcement and despise criminals.
If you retire now you only have to pay 3.5% of your pension check for health insurance until you hit Medicare. If you wait you have to pay 100% of it. Depending on whether you are married or not and need health insurance for your spouse or children you could be paying several thousand dollars a month for health insurance if you wait.
8/18/2020 11:25:00 AM
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HOLY SHIT
You have NO idea what the hell you're talking about pal.
12:40 am poster. The fund pays 60 million each month for retirement and disability benefits. Let me know where to invest my money. You seem to have the upper hand on funding the fund. OR. Log on to the fund website and read it for yoursel like I did.
Of course not in the same league. But Cook County Sheriffs that are Court Services are retiring as well. Alot. And there hasn't been a actual new hire recruit class since 2006. Just a matter of time before something serious happens at a court house.
A problem?
Maybe more affirmative action will help. Maybe Frog-Face can suggest hiring some with up-front-and-personal gang experience.
Everyone retire, DEFUND THE POLICE, bring in the SOCIAL WORKERS!!!!!
Anonymous said...
I’m 52 with 20 yrs. send a message to her and tell her
I’ll take the 3.5 percent if she drops the age to at least
51 and I’ll leave to.
Lol. Wishful thinking there guy. How do you think the people who came on with your 30 something self that are 10 years younger feel?
I did same. I actually retired at 49 and moved to Costa Rica with my family and am raising daughter here. All of you hung up on the health insurance thing there are other options. In Costa Rica you can get great insurance here for $200/month and you live here on $5,000/mo if you have all your shit paid for.
8/18/2020 07:31:00 AM
Bueno for you Mick. But not all of us can uproot and go native in your tropical paradise. Some of us have family and friends here as well as the language issue. Glad it's worked out,but it's not everyone's answer.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
When you Retire you can carry any gun you want and No more gun registration.
8/18/2020 01:57:00 PM
True to a point. Read HR218. There is some fine print that one needs to be aware of.
"When is the next entrance exam?"
Dump the mandatory retirement age and hire back those retired VRI mannequins.
Add 1 to the he Sergeants coming soon. It just isn’t fun anymore. 50 and out. 5 months, is too much. 5 more years can’t be done. The plan was always 50 but thought I would be on my own terms. I don’t want to associated with this International embarrassment of a place anymore. The only good is the new FOP Prez. He doesn’t hold back what needs to be said. Btw, has any of the lie-tenants been out on the front lines earning their pay, sharing that knowledge they keep so deeply hidden?(only to be used on promotion tests we’d have to guess!)
Our LT does not show up on his canceled RDO's. Never has. Do as I say.
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RESPONDING TO POST OF 8/18/2020 12:19:00 PM
Please stop spreading bad information and half truths! DON'T RETIRE WITHOUT A LOCKED IN INSURANCE PLAN!
Your friend pays $700 a month for GARBAGE insurance. It is a BRONZE plan (probably CIGNA) and covers basically nothing with a $10,000 a year deductible. Oh, by the way with a copay for every service. In addition, you have terrible choices of a Primary Care Physicians (PCP) who are in crap neighborhoods. The plan doesn't even pay for basic prescriptions.
So to set the record straight..... Don't gamble on buying your own insurance. I did it and retired early not knowing this information.
raise minimum retirement age to 57 and mandatory retirement to 66 , lobby Springfield to end the gold braid pensions .
I agree about the insurance!!! You may be surprised/shocked to see what it’ll cost us when we leave the job. Also plan ahead with what you’ll do with any voluntary contributions you may be getting back to avoid taxes.
On a side note i ran into a buddy who retired not too long ago from a suburban Dept and he’s looking at getting hired by the city in OPSA as a civilian. He asked what it’s like and I told him I don’t know much about what they do over there other than it’s the new group groot put together last year. I told him I don’t even like driving past the joint let alone going in hq
The market has been paying ridiculously good returns, thanks to record-breaking highs. Unless we have total morons for investment advisors, the fund should be bringing in much more than just the percentage paid in by active sworn.
8/18/2020 02:19:00 PM
Moron Trustees are making bad investment decisions and don't ask the right questions. Selling assets to make payroll. We got screwed in May.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1295501510437220355
WTF
I turn age 60 in 2021,will medical insurance be free for me? Anyone know?
FYI, Houston PD is hiring and calling for officers tired of being neglected, ignored, and abused to lateral to them.
They currently have approval for 400 hires.
Might be worth a look.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
raise minimum retirement age to 57 and mandatory retirement to 66 , lobby Springfield to end the gold braid pensions .
Yes end the gold braid but not raise age! Max out for the health care why should some one who comes on young have to put in 33 yrs for insurance when someone older can split at 20 yrs with the age
Expect Portland and Seattle like attacks on police stations here soon.
nonymous said...
This is your "passive" defund the police plan. For those that have a little time OTJ, it's similar to the 55 and out for free medical insurance, which at the time coincided with the orchestrated banking and housing crisis. In reality, it was a "passive" way of reducing payroll and subsequent city pension contributions. There wasn't much, if any, new hiring going on at the time.
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it is a common practice in both the private sector and the public sector to offer inducements to employees to retire early as a way of reducing payroll. This is nothing unusual at all. You need to stop thinking that you're something special. You're not. You're just a cost like any other city employee. The city is going broke and needs to reduce its expenses and payroll is a big expense and one of the few expenses that can be reduced readily.
8/18/2020 12:20:00 PM
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Cost cutting in the private and public sector does have a similar outcomes- even for city employees. However, for the next several years, take your own garbage to the trash dump, go to court and fight a traffic ticket, change out your own burned street/traffic lights, fill in your own pot holes, catch your own arsonist, lotter, burglar, rapist, car jacker, and those crazy fun loving kids shootin' up the hood, River North, Mag Mile, Gold Coast, million $ condo's, etc.. And when minutes count, and life and limb are in peril, the police and fire services are only a half hour or so away. Just keep talking to the dispatcher until they put you on hold, and take the next 911 call and put them on hold. Or maybe call a friend the next you get the shit kicked out of you. Better yet, after your beat down take your friend for a nice ride on the Red Line.
Police have been given special powers of arrest, and under extreme circumstances may take life in the protection of others and themselves.
As CPD numbers dwindle down so will responses for calls for service. As businesses and residents walk there goes the tax base and up goes your taxes. I hope you have deep pockets cause the city and state have long arms. Come on man, let's defund the police.
Expect Portland and Seattle like attacks on police stations and City Hall soon. From a very reliable Fed source all police stations should be on highest alert with attacks planned from multiple rental vehicle and trucks thefts. This is credible info and should be taken seriously.
nonymous said...
***The New Stats are out on Americans and which states are loosing their residents, the following is the top 10 biggest loosing states:
(1). New Jersey
(2). Illinois 33.5% incoming vs 66.5% outgoing
(3). New York
(4). Connecticut
(5). Kansas
(6). Ohio
(7). California
(8). Michigan
(9). North Dakota
(10). Iowa
8/18/2020 07:18:00 AM
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You're saying those Illinois stats, about 33.5%, are coming into the Debtor's state to live and work. Does that include illegal aliens I wonder? Will they be subject to quarantine because of the Wuhan Red Death?
Thank God there are still stupid people coming here to pay all those high taxes and become more food to feed the murder beast. Fresh meat for Dude, Inc. and Mr. Chalky too. I hope they are all Democrat Marxist cuz they'll fit right in - here in Murder City.
Defund City Hall.
Keep Police
Keep Fire/EMS
Keep Streets/San
Keep Water
Keep Parks
Keep Bridges
Get rid of the non-producers. [Schools]
8/18/2020 01:44:00 PM
Keep OEMC
The local news reported alot of police leaving but no problem. A new group of cadets will be ready soon and new hires will be brought on. Who will want the job?? Allison should take a break from happy talk and get out on the street doing some reporting from the "peaceful protests."
"Anonymous said...
I’m 52 with 20 yrs. send a message to her and tell her
I’ll take the 3.5 percent if she drops the age to at least
51 and I’ll leave to
8/18/2020 12:27:00 AM"
That's a non-starter because the Sergeants already agreed to 55 and 3.5%. You want 50 and out? Try 5% at a minimum. Of course, you'll get the Lieutenant over at the pension board actively advocating against the city offering 50 and out with medical.
"Anonymous Anonymous said...
You might want to get your hands on a copy of the proposed contract with the firefighters union. It spells out the changes in the insurance.
8/18/2020 06:01:00 AM"
It appears you already perused it, so why not enlighten the rest of us in the dark, skeez-eks?
" Anonymous said...
We loose up to 10% of the department this year
8/18/2020 07:02:00 AM"
And lose to!
"Anonymous said...
Serious question for coppers with time on the job and young adult children.
Are you pushing your kids to or from the job? I know I was married to a female copper and she had two younger kids when we met and (we are now divorced) but we both talked her kids out of becoming the police. Both are grown, 23 and 27 years old. Neither police. I am now remarried with a 10 year old and I am pushing her to become a Dr and she may only be starting 4th grade but she's showing an interest.
8/18/2020 07:25:00 AM"
Fourth grade? Are you naturally a soft ball? How about letting her enjoy her childhood and let her discover career possibilities as she gets older? Pushing her to become a doctor, LOL! Wake up there chop shop!
"Anonymous said...
This is your "passive" defund the police plan. For those that have a little time OTJ, it's similar to the 55 and out for free medical insurance, which at the time coincided with the orchestrated banking and housing crisis. In reality, it was a "passive" way of reducing payroll and subsequent city pension contributions. There wasn't much, if any, new hiring going on at the time.
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it is a common practice in both the private sector and the public sector to offer inducements to employees to retire early as a way of reducing payroll. This is nothing unusual at all. You need to stop thinking that you're something special. You're not. You're just a cost like any other city employee. The city is going broke and needs to reduce its expenses and payroll is a big expense and one of the few expenses that can be reduced readily.
8/18/2020 12:20:00 PM"
Talking your book there city staffer? Nobody said anything about being special, but since you mentioned it, you're no fucking prize either, are you? But cutting expenses is a great idea. Let's start with reducing the amount of alderassholes to 25 and take away their 1.5 million dollar per ward slush fund. Let's also reduce teachers by 50% since they're not teaching in physical locations anymore and bound by classroom size. One teacher per grade from K thru 12. Teachers are not essential, and neither are you.
I was describing what is now happening with the exodus of police from Chicago to my wife who is originally from a town north of Chicago which was, when we met, a rural town, now considered a suburb. She said, that sounds like Detroit... Bingo!
I turn age 60 in 2021,will medical insurance be free for me? Anyone knox?
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Are you reading the comments?
No
PBPA & Fire is going to 1.5% for age 60 to 62. Age 63 is still free.
Unless FOP contract is still not settled they will get screwed with the same deal.
She is trying, but she still has a fiscal responsibility to the employees and pensioners. She can't claim bankruptcy because she would have to open up ALL books to federal auditors. Detroit, although they went into bankruptcy, had to pay all pensioners what was/is owed.
She is very shortsighted.
8/18/2020 09:00:00 AM
Yes, you are right about pensions in Detroit, but that was based on the federal judge and what he declared. Their is no jury on federal bankruptcies, everything is up to the judge and it might not go the same way in the next case. The creditors lined up in Detroit and wanted to screw every pensioner and employee and they wanted their money first. The judge would not allow it. Although I think pensioners other then police and fire did take a small hit. The city had to sell assets.
Anonymous said...
"Anonymous said...
I’m 52 with 20 yrs. send a message to her and tell her
I’ll take the 3.5 percent if she drops the age to at least
51 and I’ll leave to
8/18/2020 12:27:00 AM"
That's a non-starter because the Sergeants already agreed to 55 and 3.5%. You want 50 and out? Try 5% at a minimum. Of course, you'll get the Lieutenant over at the pension board actively advocating against the city offering 50 and out with medical.
8/18/2020 11:41:00 PM
Why would the Lt. do that?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I turn age 60 in 2021,will medical insurance be free for me? Anyone know?
8/18/2020 08:40:00 PM
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I'm speechless. You're asking on a blog? What, you don't have any friends? Ya, I'm pretty sure it's covered by the city until age 65.
Anonymous said...
I’m 52 with 20 yrs. send a message to her and tell her
I’ll take the 3.5 percent if she drops the age to at least
51 and I’ll leave to.
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The PBPA asked for that deal for age 51 to 54.
The arbitrator said NO.. "it would be bad for the pension fund" Arbitrator Rommel stated.
HOWEVER our damn PBPA also VOLUNTEERED to raising the age 55 deal from 2% to 3.5% and raise the age 60 deal from FREE to 1.5%.
The FOP had worked the FREE Age 60 insurance into the contract over 20 years ago and now the PBPA just totally fucks all of us by destroying the contract.
8/18/2020 08:54:00 AM
What do you mean the PBPA volunteered it? I thought it was an arbitrator decision?
Anonymous said...
raise minimum retirement age to 57 and mandatory retirement to 66 , lobby Springfield to end the gold braid pensions .
8/18/2020 07:17:00 PM
You cant move the goalposts once the game starts.
Free insurance until 65yoa if you retire at 60yoa.
That little turd Venecho needs his ass kicked for what he did to our pension
To the poster who put the bridge raised with people on it...FAKE NEWS. Same morons had climbed the bridge in prior weeks. If you are climbing a raised bridge, it’s your own stupidity. How about we have a special tax for stupidity! There’s no shortage of it these days!
25 thieves is too many
NYC and LA have less than 20 and we are the 3rd city , losing population every week
To the guy that moved to Costa Rico - are you batshit out of your mind crazy? Why the hell would I move from the U.S. to another country, especially a 3rd world hole like C.R.? If I wanted to live in a 3rd world area I'd move to 11 or 6 or 3 - hell pick it. Leave IL but stay in the U.S.
Anonymous said...
I turn age 60 in 2021,will medical insurance be free for me? Anyone know?
8/18/2020 08:40:00 PM
Answer is NO- 1.5 % so you can stay and save half a percent vs leaving now at 2%
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
I turn age 60 in 2021,will medical insurance be free for me? Anyone know?
8/18/2020 08:40:00 PM
Answer is NO- 1.5 % so you can stay and save half a percent vs leaving now at 2%
8/19/2020 07:55:00 PM
If you are in patrol the answer is PROBABLY 1.5%. We have no new contract. But, yes, it will probably be 1.5%.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
I turn age 60 in 2021,will medical insurance be free for me? Anyone know?
8/18/2020 08:40:00 PM
Answer is NO- 1.5 % so you can stay and save half a percent vs leaving now at 2%
8/19/2020 07:55:00 PM
Why leave now stick around another three years and you'll be eligible for a full honors funeral...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
To the poster who put the bridge raised with people on it...FAKE NEWS. Same morons had climbed the bridge in prior weeks. If you are climbing a raised bridge, it’s your own stupidity. How about we have a special tax for stupidity! There’s no shortage of it these days!
8/19/2020 01:19:00 PM
No way they raised the bridge with people on it. I saw the video of the idiots sitting up there, enjoying the view and taking videos. All of them. No way the average person wouldn’t be hanging on and screaming for dear life. Everyone was relaxed, come on watching the video scared me
“ That little turd Venecho needs his ass kicked for what he did to our pension”. @8/19/2020 11:45:00 AM
– It was all ShortShanks and his plurality of Pension Bd appointees approving Davis-Vanecko deal. The $68 mil multi pension grab deal, loses $54 mil BUT these two crooks managed to walk away and keep $9 mil in commissions.
The same Board also approves using some very bad fund managers.
We couldn’t even break even in the Trump Economy. If we could invest in the company’s that do bidness with the City (Walsh, Chase, LAZ) our pension found would be f*cking golden.
I’m 52 with 20 yrs. send a message to her and tell her
I’ll take the 3.5 percent if she drops the age to at least
51 and I’ll leave to.
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The PBPA asked for that deal for age 51 to 54.
The arbitrator said NO.. "it would be bad for the pension fund" Arbitrator Rommel stated.
HOWEVER our damn PBPA also VOLUNTEERED to raising the age 55 deal from 2% to 3.5% and raise the age 60 deal from FREE to 1.5%.
The FOP had worked the FREE Age 60 insurance into the contract over 20 years ago and now the PBPA just totally fucks all of us by destroying the contract.
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What do you mean the PBPA volunteered it? I thought it was an arbitrator decision?
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NO.. PBPA volunteered to go to 3.5% for age 55 and 1.5% for age 60.
The city in arbitration wanted the percentages higher however 92 year old Arbitrator George Rommel went with what the PBPA proposed.
The teachers union would have NEVER volunteered to bend over suggest their members pay more.
Ask your sergeant to check his department email from 08 July 2020.
A copy of the arbitration was sent to all sergeants from the sergeant's union.
The retiree insurance starts on page 88.
Anonymous said...
I’m 52 with 20 yrs. send a message to her and tell her
I’ll take the 3.5 percent if she drops the age to at least
51 and I’ll leave to.
-----------
The PBPA asked for that deal for age 51 to 54.
The arbitrator said NO.. "it would be bad for the pension fund" Arbitrator Rommel stated.
HOWEVER our damn PBPA also VOLUNTEERED to raising the age 55 deal from 2% to 3.5% and raise the age 60 deal from FREE to 1.5%.
The FOP had worked the FREE Age 60 insurance into the contract over 20 years ago and now the PBPA just totally fucks all of us by destroying the contract.
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What do you mean the PBPA volunteered it? I thought it was an arbitrator decision?
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NO.. PBPA volunteered to go to 3.5% for age 55 and 1.5% for age 60.
The city in arbitration wanted the percentages higher however 92 year old Arbitrator George Rommel went with what the PBPA proposed.
The teachers union would have NEVER volunteered to bend over suggest their members pay more.
Ask your sergeant to check his department email from 08 July 2020.
A copy of the arbitration was sent to all sergeants from the sergeant's union.
The retiree insurance starts on page 88.
8/20/2020 05:03:00 PM
Thank ex-president Paul Bilotta for that. He’s close to mandatory retirement but he took his lieutenant promotion and landed softly in 022. Another connected hack that’s only worried about himself, the company and his people. Calvino “wide mouth” now runs the mess of a ship at the sgts’ PBPA.
Thanks Paul!
Why does’t FOP or Sergeants PBPA go on the news and let the world know that Mayor Lightfoot made the Sergeants Part 1 a pass / fail .
Passing score was 50% , this was lowered male blacks would be allowed to take Part 2 . So a male black scores a 50-69% and received the same score as any police Officer that scored between 70-100% .
This is what I call black privilege are racism by the Mayor .
Where is the BGA or Federal Consent Decree monitors . Guess they have the blinders on .
On CPD you cannot promote the most qualified , must have 30 % merit .
Paul’s a good boss ,22 is lucky to have him .
FYI. If you were in the military you can buy 2 years onto your pension and leave that much earlier. Check the pension site for info.
Billota was useless in the union and still useless
Why the fuck is the city proposing that retires at age 60 pay for medical insurance? Medical insurance was always free to officers at age 60. SHAME ON THE CITY!
"...Why would that lieutenant do that?..."
Because he's a lieutenant. 'Nuff said.
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