How to Fuck the Police
This is from the brains of Groot's operation?
The office designed to help aldermen keep tabs on how the city spends tax dollars detailed a proposal on Thursday that would cut $55 million from the Chicago Police Department’s $1.7 billion budget in 2021 to help fill Chicago’s massive budget shortfall.
The recommendation is the first from Kenneth Williams, who was named to lead the City Council’s Office of Financial Analysis in May after aldermen expanded the office’s power in an effort to provide a counterpoint to the annual budget proposal from the mayor’s office.
Williams said he went through the department’s budget to find savings by cutting “perks” and things that are “nice to have, but not need to have” and identified savings equal to about 3% of the 2020 departmental budget.
The city could save $30.5 million by cutting tuition reimbursement programs and uniform allowances for police officers and commanders and another $23.5 million by cutting quarterly payments to sergeants and to those assigned to special units, according to the proposal. Another $1 million could be saved by reducing spending on police at O’Hare and Midway airports.
Perks? These were negotiated benefits from the City to employees. In fact, most of these so-called "perks" were offered in lieu of pay raises so that the City didn't have to factor them into pension payments - and does everyone remember how well the City kept up on those pension payments over the intervening decades?
For these benefits to be surrendered, Groot better be prepared to add the total value to salaries - we were always the good guys/gals in these negotiations, sparing the City (and taxpayers) increased pension payments.
And this is just dumb:
- The City Council’s Office of Financial Analysis also recommended that the city require officers to carry liability insurance as a way to reduce the cost to taxpayers to settle misconduct lawsuits. That change would require a change in state law.
Perhaps if the Corp Counsel actually fought the nuisance cases (like they did under J-Fledgar) instead of settling them with connected firms (that make political contributions to the Machine), then they would (A) make it less attractive to file bullshit cases and (B) have money to fight the cases that need fighting. J-Fledgar saved the City millions fighting suits and made plaintiff attorneys angry enough to threaten Rahm into settlements again.
Anyone know why Groot isn't cutting half of the aldercreatures? New York is three times as big as Chicago and gets by with as many politicians.
How about the CPS? Their budget is $7.7 billion - four-and-one-half times the Police Department. Surely there is room for massive cuts, especially when they aren't even using any of their buildings, supplies or physical plant personnel.
Labels: department issues, money questions
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
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Chicago is now a banana republic.
"... [M]ost of these so-called "perks" were offered in lieu of pay raises so that the City didn't have to factor them into pension payments." This also reduces non-FLSA overtime costs. I will be a team player and you just roll these goodies into the my basepay.
When the city is in a free fall, and we’ve been at terminal velocity for a while, you can’t fall any faster...and yet, these idiots are going to do it!!
I think the first place the alderidiots should look is at their own bloated salaries, their own over representation of an under populated city caused by their negligence, stupidity and lack of testicles to actually do anything that will improve the city as opposed to their own pockets!!! Maybe the census should be used to show the loss of population in the city and reduce the amount of alderidiots needed to represent NOBODY!!!
"...and things that are “nice to have, but not need to have” ..."
Top of the list: CAPS
dont expect cuts to teachers-- even though they are not teaching shit. you know back in the early 1990s; society kinda saw through bullshit. shit filled schools did not get funding because they did not graduate kids whom were educated, but every one wanted the police when you would fall victim to those high school graduates.
2020 now its give CPS a ton of money for nothing, and dont expect shit from the police department because its a shit house too.
Go ahead - get rid of the "Uniform Allowance". Then the City can PAY for the uniforms they require their employees to wear. Bet it costs them MORE than what the allowances are.
If they really want to save $50 MILLION, it's super easy. Just cut 100% of the Alderthieves slush funds. They each get $1 Million to piss away in their Wards right? Fuck it. Cut 100% of that nonsense. Make the Alderthieves PAY for an office space on their own, or else they have to use something provided by the City. Something down at City Hall, or how about they use a broom closet in a Police Station? It's not like they do any real fucking work anyway, so a broom closet ought to work out just fine. Gotta be $100 million in savings right there.
Gotta be a few million if we get rid of the bullshit Security Details for Groot, Burke, Prickwrinkle, et. al. Get rid of the cars for those assholes too. Let them take the CTA or drive and park like everyone else. No more chauffeur services.
How much do they piss away on free food? Breakfast, lunches, dinners? Cut all that crap down at City Hall. They can have one holiday party a year for everyone in the building and they can spend $5000 on it. Bring pot luck food and drink. No more catering, renting out the Field Museum, etc...
So right there - probably $110 million saved. How about transferring it to the Pension funds?
SCC, The title is wrong! It should be How to further FUCK the taxpayers of the city of Chicago and help Kimmie Fox put the taxpayers in further dange on just about every street in the city!
THERE IS NOWHERE SAFE IN THE SHITTY OF SHITCAGO!
Written in the contract , they would have to make a case against these perks during the next contact negotiations 12 years from now
Cut CAPS.
Many believed the unending politician lies of unending 'retirement' wealth.
Start your paperwork now.
Maybe a grandfather obligation in the future.
The rest of you are fucked.
Defund the police using contractual monies, brilliant!!! Does anyone at City Hall even know what a labor contract is? Apparently when it comes to the police, the answer is no. With regards to CPS, can’t cut from the golden calf of the CPS, need those union dues for political contributions for the next election.
Ok Seriously. Did J-Fled fight set th kung cases?
“How about the CPS? Their budget is $7.7 billion - four-and-one-half times the Police Department. Surely there is room for massive cuts, especially when they aren't even using any of their buildings, supplies or physical plant personnel.“
CPS has abysmal results as they turn out a bad crop of turnips every year.
Time for vouchers to private & parochial schools.
CPS spends close to $20,000.00 per student in the system.
Average tuition per student in Chicago for private and parochial schools:
Elementary is $8,341.00
High school is $17,095.00.
The city gets more bang for the buck from the police than any other city department. Some other city departments are operating in postal speed and efficiency.
Well then if you plan on implementing the insurance requirement then I have some requirements of my own since it will be my liability insurance...
1- I pick and choose the calls for service I answer.
2- I pick and choose the location where I work.
3- I pick and choose the supervisors I work for- you know the ones who won’t jeopardize my freedom and increase my insurance costs
4- since your mandating me to carry LIABILITY insurance then I charge the following fees to keep my insurance costs down...
4A- actual physical arrest $10,000 depending on crime since it usually takes
10 years or more in this county for appeals to be exhausted.
4B- $25,000 for any homicide arrest
4C- $15,000 for any felony arrest
4D- $5,000 for any encounter that requires a TRR or ISR be completed.
SCC.... feel free to add to this list
Fuck it just strike let Chicago go to the shitter....
Hate to say it but you folks who have been on the job for some time have other skills carpenters lawyers etc move the hell on get out before it’s to late
Give them the city let them run it into a shit hole and turn it into new jack city
And as crooked as this state is let me guess what the insurance premiums would be....
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There is a simple solution to negotiating the CPD police contract. ALL CPD OFFICER'S Need to Stand United and Walk Away☝️ PERIOD. Once that happens,how Quickly do you think these negotiations are going to take place and instantaneously go into effect💁♀️ who is going to take our place and patrol the streets of Chicago? The National Guard? Madam Mayor herself? Cut it out. WE are a Force to be reckoned with when WE STAND TOGETHER☝️ Especially, Officer's who have less than 10 years on the job and are not fully invested. We're Not getting what we Deserve anyway. So, It really is as simple as that.
Brain dead and tone deaf..
Maybee we can stop hiring 6 figure civilians from the mayor's office and Boik's office? Maybe the best use of money isn't hiring every single 20 year old intern that ever gave Boik a handjob to an Assistant Director job? Maybe we should stop worrying about hiring every single UofC intern? Maybe we should stop letting every "civilian employee" work from home because of covid when we make sworn officers work every single day and say they are clear after 10 days of a positive test...Maybe we should make everyone actually work? Seems odd that a sworn member who is living with a nurse who tests positive should still come to work without a required test because medical time is against them, yet a civilian employee who says they were close to that same person must remain hone for 2 weeks with no sick days because the city says so....Just a stretch... Why are we holding up promotions when we keep hiring civilian employees at Assistant & Deputy Director/Director/Deputy Chief and other fake titles at 100K-180K salaries with no actual police experience..When you say you have no money to hire police or promote leaders?
Can't cut CPS. There is no cost high enough to keep the Marxist indoctrination going
Another jag-bag with no knowledge of policing or the department culture who is going to be the wondrous wizard of anti-waste, the magician of do-re-mi and the slick sultan of savings. This idiot did not hatch anything new. These topics have been kicking around and were rejected since 30 years ago in the old building. There is even a couple this dolt did not find, but they will not be revealed here. Fuck him and fuck the Groot. After they really analyze things, they will find each and everyone of these "ground-breaking" cuts are actually long term losers for them. Everybody, especially the Groot, thinks they know better than us how to do the life-threatening and impossible like we do day-in and day-out. F.U.L.L.
And, all the best to United States Marine and Chicago Police Officer Robert Rialmo. Never give up. Push it back down the Groot's throat. As always, good luck to you sir!
Maybe we should get rid of all the take home cars the city give out to 6 figure salaries!
The aldercreatures are the ones who did her bidding during these votes, now they attempt to destroy and defund the police in certain areas. I can't wait for them to give us a hoorah speech of some sort for being awesome. Fuck her, fuck this city, fuck the exempts who don't do anything about this machine. Can't wait for the FBI to pick up these sleaze balls politicians, and the cronies who operate the machine. Can't wait for the honest people of IL and Chicago to start turning this Democratic deep state bullshit into the ground. Another reason why I just show up now and do the minimal amount. This is going to be a long year gentlemen, take it one day at a time, and take it one week at a time. This is a war of artiation, and we will win this fight.
They can make all the recommendations they want. The bottom line is All City departments are going to take at least a little hit. Police and fire will not be exempt.
I would expect Citywide hiring freezes among other things.
100% correct SCC. The uniform allowance and duty availability are items negotiated in lieu of pay increases that would be subject to pension payments.
If we lose either or both then the ONLY satisfactory replacement would be a commensurate pay increase IN ADDITION to a similar pay increase as CPS teachers.
CPS budget doesn’t get talked about nearly enough. All this talk of social workers and psychologists, drug counselors and community helpers should come from the CPS budget. After-all, most of the problem people in this city are products of CPS so it’s basically a continuation of their duties to help these poor souls find the right path in life.
CPD enforces laws and maintains order, and it’s brutal work that deserves proper compensation.
We have to vote them out. Plain and simple.
How much did it cost the city to create this office and pay this clown to come up with cost-cutting ideas that CAN'T happen without violating contracts? The obvious place anyone with half a brain would look in any attempt to cut costs is our aldermen and their extensive staffs of overpaid thieves. But this guy decides to go after the police. And then he decides that cutting money that can't be cut is the best idea. There is waste in this department, money spent poorly, equipment bought and never used, take home cars for people who don't do shit, created boss positions for no reason, etc. Start cutting costs there instead of coming up with some bullshit plan to take away contractually negotiated money. This is just an attempt by the city to make the police look bad, like we're wasting tax dollars, like we need to be defunded, to appease their idiot Democrat voters. Blame the police, then blame the unions when they point out what the city already knows, that these things can't be taken away, not without negotiating it in the contracts. Wasteful, racist, evil police making the city go bankrupt. Right. Meanwhile, CPS and the aldermen keep wasting money like it grows on the trees planted in the middle of the streets. How much did those cost? How much was the bean? Sell that piece of shit. Tourism is dead anyway. There's always money for politicians' friends and their pet projects. There's always money for the teachers, and to buy computers and food for students who aren't going to school.
Its called a contract and the city will get screwed in court, hopefully!
Nobody is going to want this job in a few years by taking away negotiated stuff!
I'm out the door as it is!
KMA 25+
Cut all the Police administrative aides especially one who was caught on her phone outside Saying Fuck 12. Cut the front office clerks who do nothing but talk on their phone and smoke more cigarettes than actually produce anything.
Stop paying her security detail D3 pay. They make in excess of 200,000 dollars. More than twice what I make and some have less than 10 years on.
This is the same thing that do with every contract negotiation, the mayor gets some lacky to talk about dropping certain financial provisions in our contract, but it never happens. Relax this is just another page in their piss poor play book.
Cook County has 17 commissioners, for the entire City of Chicago and 134 suburbs. Surely, Chicago Alderpeople could be reduced to 17 or 25.
Groot tries to rule through threats and intimidation. CALL HER BLUFF! Sue the
City! Go to Arbitration! Do not let her
negotiate through the media. Everything
you gained in negotiations through the
years, keep. Notice she gave the teachers
everything. She announced all these
neighborhood grants and anti poverty
programs and THEN she cried poormouth
when it came to Chicago's Finest.
Did they forget that the State of Illinois and the City of Chicago negotiated a Consent Decree that will cost hundreds of millions to implement? This is a court order that is required to be fulfilled. The Consent Decree is filled with phrases such as "the City will provide the resources to fulfill" all these new things to make policing better.
The politicians knew this when the Consent Decree was negotiated. All of them had to have looked at how much other cities spent on consent decrees, and they had to have estimated the costs of how much it would cost here (which is probably one reason Rahm did not care that much about not running for mayor again). The mayor's office had the estimates. In fact, some things in the Consent Decree look to be spread out over many years because they knew in advance the costs associated with those ideas.
Remember, the Consent Decree is a court order, and that Order states the City will find and provide the financial resources to make it work.
I guess this is how they begin to "defund the police."
CONSENT DECREE, they can’t defund CPD
Just a suggestion for saving the budget.
For the month of November shut down all 911 centers, furlough every police officer, fire fighter, paramedic, truck driver, trash pick up, close all hospitals. All employees will stay home on a no pay status with all benefits suspended for the 30 day period.
There ya go, by December 1st all will be well.
I suggest as a money saving idea, that all police be given the month of November off with no pay.
Shut down all 911 centers for the month of November.
Close each & every hospital.
Let them tackle CPS and their huge inflated budget.
I know you hate to beat a dead horse.....
cut the aldermen in half
cut the phony made up exempt positions in all city departments
cut the phony departments we do not even need or combine them
the state, county, and city have lots of redundancy
get a real mayor in charge and this city will be a well oiled machine
So it is ok for CFD to get a uniform allowance and also have a commissary to get replacement uniforms ???What kind of BS is that..
This was from an email sent from the mayor’s office
Last week, we announced a $330 million lending commitment from 40 banks that will help add 7,000 affordable housing units on the South and West Sides.
To read more about it, click here.
I am highlighting it not because it is the panacea for every problem we face. It is just one part of our administration’s commitment to investing in neighborhoods across the city that have been neglected for generations; it is not the whole. And that is the point.
We’re proud of this new initiative and thankful for the partners who have joined us, but we know that progress for our city’s underserved communities will not happen overnight.
To date, we have implemented a national model for fair work scheduling, boosted the minimum wage, reformed fines and fees to put a stop to the unfair debt burden on working families, and of course, we launched Invest South/West, which is aligning $750 million in public funding to 10 neighborhoods on the South and West Sides. Those are just the highlights. Every single day, we work to address our city’s most vexing challenges.
The city can save a lot of money by not using union tradesman. The trade union rate was set for private industry because most trades workers do not work year round and many do not have benefits when they are not working. But, a city tradesman works full time, bets full benefits and has a pension . The mayor wants to break the police union, let her break the trade union and either have them substantially cut pay or break the union and hire all non union workers. It used to be many of these trade workers would be A Permit and not A card union with the same pay rate.
Let’s do like CFD and have a commissary.
Lori went to which elite law school? She seems incapable of understanding contract laws?
Someone FOIA the CPS students' login rates.
If you don't have a spouse and kids who rely on you, you're crazy not to leave now. If you do have those responsibilities, work out an exit strategy. Not worth it anymore.
Cut half the wards/alderman and institute a 2 term limit. This would save money and cut corruption.
What about all the free shit, she gives her constituents, it seems like everyday, she comes up with new jobs!
SCC: Are there any insurance providers, anywhere, that sell liability insurance policies for individual officers to carry to defend against claims made against them in their official capacity? I don't work in insurance, but I'm pretty sure that the answer is "no."
I think that everyone agrees, that with reduced revenue, that departments, including the police, will have to suffer an allocation reduction.
Everything suggested here is designed to punish the individual police officer. I thought the left wanted college graduates as police officers, but I guess no longer.
I particularly like the idea of the insurance requirement. Are there policies available for sale to cover this type of risk? Is this a pay reduction or will the city reimburse the officers for the cost of the premium?
How will it work? Will the policy be based on assignment? Will the guy flying the desk pay less than the officers assigned to the communities that don't value life? The policy will have to clearly define what is covered, and what is not. Will an officer be able to refuse an order because their policy doesn't cover the activity?
Sounds to me the insurance company is going to tell officers what they can and can not do.
Why would anyone want to work for the CPD...wouldn't working for the CPS be a better job? Do nothing, make a lot of money, and a better retirement?
how many city workers does it take to cut a tree branch? Clean a sewer? change a light? change oil on city vehicles? take a look in some of the garages and just see how many useless workers just sitting around..Tax money wasted,leave the first responders alone....
Lori continues to hire unqualified, incompetent, affirmative action losers and nothing is done. And don’t count on the fbi to do anything, they are solidly in the pocket of RINO Lausch the Beverly democrat friend of racist Lori.
Typical city response to saving money hit the little guy with cuts! You want to save money cut the pay and positions of this overpaid command staff. They all have the position cause of political/family connects (just heard Cline/Ryan are Commanders). If we cut command pay (170,000 a year) we wont have to cut anything else, but they wont be cut cause they are all connected. HOW TO SOLVE A CITY FINACIAL PROBLEM SCREW THE GUYS IN PATROL!
If any of those payouts ended up as donations to Chicago pols, I would expect the US Atty to be looking into that.
What psychological conditioning have progressives exposed themselves to that has totally disconnected their brains from reality? From Obama on down, they hate police and this is their moment to shove the Weatherman radical agenda into the mainstream. Are we really stupid enough to let this happen?
And in the end they are no different from the old guard they claim to be reforming. They just can't keep their hands out of the taxpayers pockets. Groot's free internet and computers for CPS students scam that isn't working, her grab for the pot industry in Illinois, and whatever other graft they'll find will be all of their undoing.
But if you want more of the same Illinois shit, if you really want to see the effects of the progressive revolution, then keep voting for it, keep voting democrat.
If Trump loses, you won't recognize Chicago in 2yrs. That's all it will take and it will be over.
Remove Residency!!!!!!!!!!! Fuk groot and the lick boots aldemran like Sposato and Taliaferro.
AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Go ahead - get rid of the "Uniform Allowance". Then the City can PAY for the uniforms they require their employees to wear. Bet it costs them MORE than what the allowances are.
If they really want to save $50 MILLION, it's super easy. Just cut 100% of the Alderthieves slush funds. They each get $1 Million to piss away in their Wards right? Fuck it. Cut 100% of that nonsense. Make the Alderthieves PAY for an office space on their own, or else they have to use something provided by the City. Something down at City Hall, or how about they use a broom closet in a Police Station? It's not like they do any real fucking work anyway, so a broom closet ought to work out just fine. Gotta be $100 million in savings right there.
Gotta be a few million if we get rid of the bullshit Security Details for Groot, Burke, Prickwrinkle, et. al. Get rid of the cars for those assholes too. Let them take the CTA or drive and park like everyone else. No more chauffeur services.
How much do they piss away on free food? Breakfast, lunches, dinners? Cut all that crap down at City Hall. They can have one holiday party a year for everyone in the building and they can spend $5000 on it. Bring pot luck food and drink. No more catering, renting out the Field Museum, etc...
So right there - probably $110 million saved. How about transferring it to the Pension funds?
9/18/2020 12:24:00 AM
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Wanna save money?
Stop doing dumb shit like installing bike lanes at $1.2 million a mile. Stop planting flowers Downtown in September, stop paying out bullshit lawsuits to connected law firms. About 10 years from now Chicago will take this money savings bullshit and under serve ghetto neighborhoods and put the police in tax paying neighborhoods. If you are ever in Mexico— u see exactly this. Only tax paying neighborhoods get paved streets and police. The rest of the world does this too
Damn— the educational benefit encourages a more intelligent work force... but oh well.
Larri is in dire need for allies with more brains than her.
This was nothing but a vilification by Larri Gets Even prepared counterpunch to FOP. ShortShanks done that already at least twice. She’s looking to bust the FOP which won’t happen. Two minutes ago the honchos of Michigan Avenue and probably the banking industry were bashing Larri’s loopy managerial skills just on the crime and violence front. She still has them on her back and she’s not helping them one bit by cutting up the Police budget. Sure there’s plenty of area within CPD budget that are unnecessary, but much of that is paid through grants and wasteful props for political optics.
It’s for the Kids.
CPS also gets Fed and State and private supplementary grants and funding. And then there’s the guaranteed automatic tax levy that CPS gets every year. Their wasteful budget needs a thorough examination after just the 6 years of corruption and most recently the latest CPS chief of staff to the CPS CEO (I don’t know about nuttin) getting caught in that $7 Bil cookie jar going back 4 years.
Reform by consent decree?
StayAtHome teachers and staff still getting a full wage since March and don’t have to drive across the city to show up at work saves a boatload on all the personal expenses they normally would incur.
Talk about perks...No show in the Classroom is a Not Present truant.
It needs to be challenged, especially by the US Dept of Education and the IRS.
Stay Fetal - No Stops.
1st & 16.
Who does the 19th ward Alderman, Matt O'Shea, support in this socialist revolution? The same alderman who has remained totally silent while our brave Chicago police officers were working 12 hour days with no time off and being pelted with rocks and frozen water bottles. The same alderman who has a black lives matter sign displayed prominently in the front window of his taxpayer funded ward office. Fucking disgraceful. The democratic party has become the party of anarchists, socialists, murderers and just plain haters. I think he owes us all an honest answer.
Where is the Inspector General when all this money is being spent by these CPS officials.
And, all the best to United States Marine and Chicago Police Officer Robert Rialmo. Never give up. Push it back down the Groot's throat. As always, good luck to you sir!
9/18/2020 02:01:00 AM
^^^^^^^^^What he said 10X...........
Maybe the esteemed mayor ought to open up the city and let people go
to work, let the kids go to school, and allow some revenue to start to come back into the coffers.
Quit hoisting all the negativity to the police department.....cut Alderman, cut CPS, cut CTA,
And maybe the mayor ought to quit hiring all these new people for phony jobs....
Illinois totals: 12,670,000 people. 268,207 cases of Covid. 8;392 deaths
Odds of getting Covid: .02 percent. Odds of dying: .03 percent when infected.
Odds of getting Covid and dying from it: .0006 percent
Deaths over 60 WITH COVID: 7,254 statewide
Deaths under 60 WITH COVID: 1,138 statewide
0-20 yoa= 6. 20-30 yoa= 34. 30-40 yoa=130. 40-50 yoa= 291. 50-60 yoa= 677
Total scamDEMic......OPEN THE CITY - OPEN THE STATE -
( and to see how devious this all is.....check out Nashville Mayor emails/ Dept of Health)
This is all about the VOTING BY MAIL to try to elect a DEMOCRAT!
Nobody is going to want this job in a few years by taking away negotiated stuff!
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These guys can make all kinds of suggestions but if it involves something that is in the contract it does not matter much what they suggest.
Don't get all excited about something that ain't gonna happen without it being negotiated through the union. And is very hard to take away something in arbitration that is already there.
It is likely that there will be some budget cuts around the edges of the police department, but that will happen with all city departments. The city is broke and has run out of money to spend. That means some belt tightening everywhere.
Getting a handle on police OT would be a good first start, but the bosses are not very good financial managers. Need to hire some MBA types for that side of things.
Well then if you plan on implementing the insurance requirement then I have some requirements of my own since it will be my liability insurance
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It just is not going to happen. It sounds like a good idea at first but there are no insurance companies that would offer the insurance. The risk is unknowable and the liability is growing dramatically with the proliferation of video that makes it really hard to cover up even minor misconduct.
If I understand it correctly, the city spent just under half a billion dollars the last decade settling police misconduct suits. That is just the awards, does not include the legal costs which are substantial.
Suppose you figure that there was another quarter billion in legal expenses associated with the settlements for a total of maybe $750 million. That would mean the insurance cost would have to cover about $75 million a year in expenses. With 13,000 cops, each cop's share would be about $6000/year. A little over $100/week. Very rough numbers.
But given the unknowable liability, it seems unlikely that any insurance company would want to be involved.
How does an officer get struck by a DUI driver and only misd charges
It drove us nuts how the newbies on the job in the 80's, would accept those perks just to get a retro check sooner, so the could buy something that would have no value later.
I read in another thread the city has rehired henny penny as a civilian. Can anybody confirm?
I'll say this again and again, the City of Chicago DOES NOT need 50 aldermen and should only have 10 aldermen and 1 mayor. There's no need to have 50 aldermen, 10 aldermen and 1 mayor is all Chicago should have.
Too close to retirement, can't wait to retire from this shithole.
Lol... Who is going to sell you that insurance? John Daley?
Didnt CTU scream bloody murder when they were asked to pay more for pensions? They said it was negotiated in their contract instead of a pay raise.
City controls the courts good luck with that.
Cuts???
EXEMPTS TAKE HOME CARS ((how fast do they show up on a shooting anyways they can go to nearest district sign out a car)
Processing shoplifters (right a ticket print them charge a fine under City lawyer not KIMM FOXX)
Processing JUVIES Waste of time make it like regular arrest make county accept new paper work.
CITY forces all clubs/Restaurants to hire off duty chicago officers (at city rate)
(city can make a bit of cash)
Cut down on silly exempts and staff. CMON constitution exempt sending me email about uniform name tags?
Offer buy out for officers over 50 years old( the medical role cost would go down )
Only 1 merit bump in career would cut down on cost of training. Lawsuits!!!
Exempts no longer carrying patrol comp time till retirement. They want the promotion they lose the time. Keep in mind that exempt serve at the will of the mayor anyways.
STOP buying shitty phones for officers from city vendors!
Train civilian to watch video rooms waste of police.
Train civilians to retrieve video from crime scenes.(you can weapon train them as security guards)
Anonymous said...
Go ahead - get rid of the "Uniform Allowance". Then the City can PAY for the uniforms they require their employees to wear. Bet it costs them MORE than what the allowances are.
Doubt it, some coppers are notorious for being slobs that wear dirty, nasty clothes and don't even wash their hands after taking a dump. Honestly, cops aren't going to swap out uniforms regardless of who pays and wouldn't swap out $1800 of uniform items unless you brought it to them.
City would just have more money to steal and give away to cronies
Perhaps if the Corp Counsel actually fought the nuisance cases (like they did under J-Fledgar)
That brain never stops, natural comedy is a gift, don't ever stop...
How about the CPS? Their budget is $7.7 billion - four-and-one-half times the Police Department. Surely there is room for massive cuts, especially when they aren't even using any of their buildings, supplies or physical plant personnel.
Labels: department issues, money questions
CPS has homeroom teachers and at minimum 4 assistant teachers per classroom...
Trust me. I’m fine with them settling lawsuits.
The no stile clause should only be good for 6 months. There is now way a contract should be allowed to be expired for 3 years. Go on strike after 6 months. It will be settled every time. This is bullshit for the officers.
Blue Flue
And to the list of all the money LeGroot is pissing away,
today you can add $35 MILLION to a group who will find
homes for the homeless.....
Don’t think that means PAY for the rentals, just go FIND THEM.....
What a frigging scam......another in a long line of scams.....
FOP.....you counting up all the money this bitch has spent on
bullshit?
"Anonymous said...
There is a simple solution to negotiating the CPD police contract. ALL CPD OFFICER'S Need to Stand United and Walk Away☝️ PERIOD. Once that happens,how Quickly do you think these negotiations are going to take place and instantaneously go into effect💁♀️ who is going to take our place and patrol the streets of Chicago? The National Guard? Madam Mayor herself? Cut it out. WE are a Force to be reckoned with when WE STAND TOGETHER☝️ Especially, Officer's who have less than 10 years on the job and are not fully invested. We're Not getting what we Deserve anyway. So, It really is as simple as that.
9/18/2020 01:45:00 AM
Soooooo.... like a strike. Which we aren't allowed to do.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Nobody is going to want this job in a few years by taking away negotiated stuff!
Or potentially losing the job won't feel as bad as it used to. I personally know few coppers who wouldn't mind a career change. Times have changed and we must adapt. FETAL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hppEQDWPYwE
take the duty availability and uniform allowance but keep the medical. That's our only way to stick it to the city!
Hey teacher spouses out there. Let SCC know about the waste and abuse at your school. Help your CPD spouse out. Tell us about the 50 computers stacked in the closet and never used.
Can't get liability insurance, insurance covers accidents,alleged police misconduct is intentional act, ask your local agent you stupid idiots, if they don't understand basic things, how can they run a city, oh they cant
Hide a Lt Cheating scandal..............check
Cry about not being a captain...........check
Cry about not being a commander........check
Cry about how many hours you put in and want back down to captain..............check
Viola'...................we now have DEPUTY CHIEF Barz
WTF!!!!!!
This department is fuuuuuucked!!!!!!!
The agenda comes first never mind common sense reasoning like you see in the SCC post or in the comments. The CTU and their ilk are protected due to politics. Until the silent rise up and begin speaking out on such idiocy things will keep on the same track. People that can move, thinking rightly you can't fight city hall alone. And these are people that aren't going to get their friends together and try to burn it down or riot and loot to show their anger. They just pick up and mover, tired of the rampant crime in their high dollar neighborhoods and the do nothing bumbling mayor and sup puppet. The others that are stuck better get together as it can always get worse.
Ok, to start, take away take home cars from the exempt's side pieces, from secretaries, from OCD. There are 2 units in the department that need take home cars. That will save you millions. Cut the alderman down to half, cut their slush fund by 90%. Just saved you 40 million with just the aldermen. Stop with the bribes for votes, also known as entitlements and community programs. Term limits on welfare. I just saved you billions. Cut the amount of state political positions in half. Make CPS's salary commensurate with the performance of the students. Look i just saved you another 30 million. Defund the police? Go ahead. Watch what happens to your economy and the death toll. Democrats are imbeciles.
The City has the power to issue bonds. Essentially borrow money. But they want US to pay a pittance to help with a shortage of over a billion bucks. $55 million isn't shit. Think of that as a $55 million pay cut, because that is what it is. Damn right those payments were in lieu of raises. Fuck that, put them on salary then, and PENSIONABLE!
City doesn't know shit about the CBA previous administrations signed. Start reading Paddlefoot. Old time coppers always said to NEVER give ANYTHING up. Let the City rip it out of our cold, dead hands.
When I came on we had great health insurance. FREE prescriptions. When the City wanted to go to a $1.00 co-pay on prescriptions many cops said "Oh what the hell, a buck isn't much." Old timers said "No fucking way, once they get their foot in the door, look out, it will go up, up, up." Old timers were right. Last year I had to pay almost $500 co-pay on ONE MONTH supply of an expensive medicine. Fuck that. I fought like hell to get it down. I had another co-pay of over $1,500.
Remember, NEVER GIVE ANYTHING UP VOLUNTARILY! NEVER!
Why don’t you start with the top heavy positions including the new promotion today of Deputy Chief Barz of an unit that only have to get five blue cards a day or they get dumped. Audit all the created boss position by the mayor and superintendent, it is a joke! Barz just made Commander what the hell he have on you all. He is a back talker, he tell you one thing and do another, good luck he is a devil.
For these benefits to be surrendered, Groot better be prepared to add the total value to salaries
Nope. DOUBLE the cash-value to be added to salaries AND gross-up the addition to cover taxes, too. Face it: you're never going to see the promised pension.
If Chicago just passed a tort reform law the city would save hundreds of millions.
It's that simple.
But then again lawyers run this whole city, county, state and country. Just a sample of their criminality is DUI's. Thats why there are so many loop holes and BS steps for DUI's, big money maker for them.
How many elected Democrats are lawyers?
Why do people have such faith in that profession? I just cant figure it out.
To the not allowed to do fool. Your the frigging police who they gonna call to stop you the CTU? If you ALL do it won't takw long for them to settle. About one or two days without a police presence is all it will take. Yea your FOP will get in trouble, so what, decertify the lodge and start over. That Lodge is why your in the trouble your in.
As told to the Chicago Tribune Newspaper:
"I don’t have a lot of good things to say about him [John Catanzara] in particular,” [Chicago Mayor Lori] Lightfoot said. “But I care deeply about the men and women of the Chicago Police Department.”
This crazy, obnoxious witch lies, lies and lies. She does not give a damn about us. Actions speak louder than words. F.U.L.L.
How about cut all the bullshit Deputy Chiefs of the Broom Closet & Urinal Cakes in half. Then let’s whittle down our alderman positions by 1/2. How about start laying off support staff at schools since they aren’t working & any other city job that has been MIA for 6 months and counting. As far as doing away with tuition reimbursement, I was always surprised more people didn’t use it. And if you do away with it, well you got to either hire people with the 4 year degrees or not require it for promotion.
Lets play fair then because some of what they are saying is true. The barbies with 2-3 years on already inside doing literal secretary work that should be done by civilians need to be on the street. When there are 4-6 barbies inside every night there's a problem. Send all of them on the street and hire two civilians. That way you don't have to hire additional officers to fill the vacancies these barbies left on the watch, the streets get the beat cars they need, and the clerical work is still done. And if they don't like it, let them quit. Let there be ZERO positions barbies can hide out in, not inside the districts, not at headquarters, not at the academy, nowhere. Make them work the street or work in a unit but not inside answering phones and watching movies.
Anonymous said...
Didnt CTU scream bloody murder when they were asked to pay more for pensions? They said it was negotiated in their contract instead of a pay raise.
9/18/2020 11:12:00 AM
CTU does not have arbitration. If it did and they had a no strike clause, things would be different. But, the democrats are indebted to the teacher's unions. It could be changed in Springfield anytime they wanted. Public Sector employees have no Federal law granting them bargaining rights.
nonymous said...
If you don't have a spouse and kids who rely on you, you're crazy not to leave now. If you do have those responsibilities, work out an exit strategy. Not worth it anymore.
9/18/2020 08:20:00 AM
Your are right on this. It takes some time to work on any exist strategy. Things will only get worse for some time to come. But, people will always want to be a Chicago Police officer, but not necessarily the right people and so there we have the problem. You have a command staff that is just about all patronage/merit and many incompetent. Silence on the part of the media about the merit system and its effect on the department. It is not part of the agenda of the media.
Stay Fetal - No Stops.
1st & 16.
Soon to be 7th and 22nd. Why? Must benefit the city somehow
Chicago is 30 years too late for a Casino.
Chicago doesn't need 50 useless aldermen.
CPD doesn't need the position of Captain.
Districts don't need political commanders.
Above just some of the WASTE in tax payers money.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Ok, to start, take away take home cars from the exempt's side pieces, from secretaries, from OCD. There are 2 units in the department that need take home cars. That will save you millions. Cut the alderman down to half, cut their slush fund by 90%. Just saved you 40 million with just the aldermen. Stop with the bribes for votes, also known as entitlements and community programs. Term limits on welfare. I just saved you billions. Cut the amount of state political positions in half. Make CPS's salary commensurate with the performance of the students. Look i just saved you another 30 million. Defund the police? Go ahead. Watch what happens to your economy and the death toll. Democrats are imbeciles.
9/18/2020 03:56:00 PM
Good start, but LA only has 15 city council members, Chicago doesn't need any more than that. So much waste could be cut but won't be. It's the Chicago Way. Clearly the mob rules and Larry dances to the BLM shuffle. More pandering and free stuff is key and then cry no money and cut police "perks". One can't expect any sane decision making from the demented demoncratic ilk.
More foolishness. In California Affirmative Action returns to the ballot. Kamela Harris is for it and I'm sure so is Le Groot. "If it passes, Prop. 16 would again let government agencies set goals for recruiting diverse employees and awarding contracts to women and minority-owned businesses. It would not reinstate racial quotas, which have been illegal under a U.S. Supreme Court ruling since 1978." If it passes expect other democratic run states to push the same idiotic thing. Diversity is King, no matter if you can do the job or not.
In each city budget money is allocated for each alderperson to have 3 miles of streets re-surfaced in their wards. 1 mile commercial street and 2 miles residential streets. They chose. Eliminate this perk and save millions. Let professional civil engineers evaluate the city streets and make the decisions.
"Programs.... Programs.... Programs"
- Mancow
Why are you guys guarding that so called mayor? Let them in. Just go get some coffee and let the psychos do thier thing. Problem solved.
Yes, because guess who gets streets paved? Those that contribute to alderperson’s campaign coffers, get priority. Know a few people who got shit done over other badly needed streets...insert $ here.
“The City Council’s Office of Financial Analysis also recommended that the city require officers to carry liability insurance as a way to reduce the cost to taxpayers to settle misconduct lawsuits. That change would require a change in state law.”
While they're in there changing state law, how about they change the alleged law that requires city employees reside in the city, as well as that one prohibits police from striking.
Yeah. Let's change some state laws!
rb
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Stay Fetal - No Stops.
1st & 16.
Soon to be 7th and 22nd. Why? Must benefit the city somehow
9/18/2020 06:44:00 PM
Because it can be tied into the software that controls payroll. The 1st an the 16th are not compatble with the current programming.
I would expect Citywide hiring freezes among other things.
9/18/2020 02:47:00 AM
But first they'll hire someone to oversee the hiring freeze. Another 6-figure salary.
rb
We have to vote them out. Plain and simple.
9/18/2020 03:17:00 AM
When they control who gets on the ballot? When no decent Republican will even bother to run here because they know they won't win?
Nothing plain or simple about Chicago politics.
Remember, the Consent Decree is a court order, and that Order states the City will find and provide the financial resources to make it work.
9/18/2020 05:42:00 AM
Here's how to get involved in that consent decree. Get your family & friends involved too. Might as well add to the commotion.
https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/sites/police-reform/home/get-involved.html
Someone FOIA the CPS students' login rates.
9/18/2020 07:43:00 AM
"Someone"? Anyone? YOU?
how many city workers does it take to cut a tree branch? Clean a sewer? change a light? change oil on city vehicles? take a look in some of the garages and just see how many useless workers just sitting around..Tax money wasted,leave the first responders alone....
9/18/2020 08:40:00 AM
Those are called, "guaranteed democrat votes." Those people also have to campaign & assist in getting theses geniuses re-elected.
It's the Chicago Way.
Who does the 19th ward Alderman, Matt O'Shea, support in this socialist revolution? The same alderman who has remained totally silent while our brave Chicago police officers were working 12 hour days with no time off and being pelted with rocks and frozen water bottles. The same alderman who has a black lives matter sign displayed prominently in the front window of his taxpayer funded ward office. Fucking disgraceful. The democratic party has become the party of anarchists, socialists, murderers and just plain haters. I think he owes us all an honest answer.
9/18/2020 09:32:00 AM
He does! Ring him up or email him! Don't wait for someone else to do it. Hello, Matt...?
Aldermanic Service Office
10400 S. Western Avenue • Chicago, IL 60643 • (773) 238-8766 | (773) 672-5133 (fax)
Office Hours • Monday – Friday 9:00 am – 5:00 pm • MattOShea@the19thward.com
Mt. Greenwood Service Office
3207 W. 111th St. • Chicago, IL 60655 • (773) 238-8776 | (773) 672-5131 (fax)
Office Hours • Monday – Friday 9:00 am – 2:00 pm • Margie@the19thward.com
YEAH. Cuz there’s nothing else to cut in the budget...except police PERKS.
you don't have a spouse and kids who rely on you, you're crazy not to leave now. If you do have those responsibilities, work out an exit strategy. Not worth it anymore.
9/18/2020 08:20:00 AM
Your are right on this. It takes some time to work on any exist strategy. Things will only get worse for some time to come. But, people will always want to be a Chicago Police officer, but not necessarily the right people and so there we have the problem. You have a command staff that is just about all patronage/merit and many incompetent. Silence on the part of the media about the merit system and its effect on the department. It is not part of the agenda of the media.
9/18/2020 06:24:00 PM
The future hubby is not ready to leave his job, so might as well stay...
Eliminate cha and public housing !
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The city can save a lot of money by not using union tradesman. The trade union rate was set for private industry because most trades workers do not work year round and many do not have benefits when they are not working. But, a city tradesman works full time, bets full benefits and has a pension . The mayor wants to break the police union, let her break the trade union and either have them substantially cut pay or break the union and hire all non union workers. It used to be many of these trade workers would be A Permit and not A card union with the same pay rate.
9/18/2020 07:30:00 AM
The city uses union tradesmen that are rented, that is, they work for some schmuck who pays them union wage, but also pays the union health and welfare, not the city's fucked up pension and Blue Cross. I don't know what other trades are doing this but if I was on that list, I would be glad to avoid all that uncertainty, the union health and welfare is more stable. You don't get a COLA when you retire but their pension plan survived the crash of 08. You can also move in and out of the system without forfeiting your pension, and you can survive a drug test. A city worker flunks a piss test and the whole pension is out the window. You may say "so what, fuck um", but it's this very scenario that turns a rough and tumble laborer into someone's bitch because the boss knows you've been toking. Watched a guy with 29 1/2 years walk out the door because he got popped, and he is still working on the outside 15 years later. That one joint cost him about $2,000,000.
Anonymous said...
Trust me. I’m fine with them settling lawsuits.
In a perfect world NO But in Crook County (and the uneducated, ignorant jury pool they produce) If you have been there YES YES YES
How about 600 million for "violence interrupters" what a joke
The mayor is like a retarted racist child
future hubby is not ready to leave his job, so might as well stay...
Better find a new future hubby then. If he can't see the writing on the wall
Anonymous said...
“How about the CPS? Their budget is $7.7 billion - four-and-one-half times the Police Department. Surely there is room for massive cuts, especially when they aren't even using any of their buildings, supplies or physical plant personnel.“
CPS has abysmal results as they turn out a bad crop of turnips every year.
Time for vouchers to private & parochial schools.
CPS spends close to $20,000.00 per student in the system.
Average tuition per student in Chicago for private and parochial schools:
Elementary is $8,341.00
High school is $17,095.00.
9/18/2020 01:12:00 AM
Here's something CPS doesn't say. Any "Child" under 21 who has not graduated High School, is still considered a Student, so those numbers are way skewed.
Many jobs in the police department could be done by civilains, but would that be better? But I think CPD should charge a fee for some services offered. May e a well being check or mental health transport?
https://www.wbez.org/stories/want-to-craft-policy-for-chicago-police-cpd-says-heres-your-chance/76a1e594-4d69-47eb-805b-8a3e27e9e2c5
want to save money reduce alderman and exempt ranks by 60% , eliminate captain rank
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